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Speaker 1: So let's jump into a groovy I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: start off in Ohio right below us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so today we're doing news articles. Summer's not with us.
Speaker 2: We're doing a lot of interviews. Last week we release
Speaker 2: Jess Jackson's a lot of social equity and stuff. She's
Speaker 2: doing some great things out Minnesota summer journals. Now when
Speaker 2: someone will be on the next one with cal Axioms,
Speaker 2: but this one, like David was jumping into it, we're
Speaker 2: just doing news articles because there's actually surprisingly a lot
Speaker 2: going on, and lately I feel like we haven't been
Speaker 2: doing a lot because there wasn't a lot of new
Speaker 2: things popping off. But lately it's just been the past
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. So we're like, wow, we need to
Speaker 2: catch up and doing news one. So here we are.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff going on from Ohio, a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff changing here in Michigan. But it's kind
Speaker 2: of a full circle thing is the same thing that's
Speaker 2: going on down Ohio kind of similar to what's going
Speaker 2: on up here. So let's talk about all this uh facts.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Ohio might be increasing there, yeah, so
Speaker 2: decreasing some other things. So I always kind of get
Speaker 2: some messed up things going on.
Speaker 1: These are all with lawmakers want nothing can get sent
Speaker 1: stoned until they vote and get it through, you know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: because in Ohio twenty twenty three they overwhelmed the past
Speaker 1: Issue two, which Issue too was for any adult twenty
Speaker 1: one years and older, you're able to can ingest, smoke
Speaker 1: and vavee cannabis. You can grow up to six plants
Speaker 1: without the twelve plants per household. So that was the
Speaker 1: bill they passed in twenty twenty three. And it's only
Speaker 1: a month and a half into twenty twenty five and
Speaker 1: lawmakers already like, and we need to.
Speaker 2: Change that, and it's already. The thing is, it's already
Speaker 2: a current price is double what Michigan is, so obviously
Speaker 2: Michigan has like a really low price compared to anyone
Speaker 2: right now. But because it's saturated. Yeah, but that's crazy
Speaker 2: to me because like whenever people hike up these increases
Speaker 2: in text hike up these increases and everything. It's like
Speaker 2: you just pushing people to go to a lisit. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't gonna start buying illegal gasoline
Speaker 2: if you raise gasoline prices. But like the thing about
Speaker 2: cannabis is it started as an illegal thing, so you're
Speaker 2: just going back to what people knew, You're not.
Speaker 1: It'd be hard to get illegal gas unless you knew somebody.
Speaker 2: The same thing with weed back, how'd you get weed
Speaker 2: some you knew someone. You gotta have a plug, right,
Speaker 2: it's the same idea, man.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: My whole point is that it's like you're just going
Speaker 2: to push people to come back over here to Michigan, like,
Speaker 2: or you're going to push people to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna go. They're gonna go somewhere to get
Speaker 1: their cannabis.
Speaker 2: And then when you're talking about increasing on on on
Speaker 2: the taxes and stuff, but then you're also talking about
Speaker 2: decreasing plant count.
Speaker 1: Well, plant counts what they want, what they want to
Speaker 1: So yeah, they want to decrease for this recreational It's
Speaker 1: not for like a license, but this is for anyone
Speaker 1: that's going out home. They want to decrease your plant
Speaker 1: count from twelve to six, so your maxib six, which
Speaker 1: I think is a little ridiculous because you voted twelve
Speaker 1: in so getting that pass the if the people, the lawmakers,
Speaker 1: a lot of lawmakers don't understand a lot of things
Speaker 1: within cannabis, and you can see that when they're doing
Speaker 1: stuff because they also want to cap milligrams at one hundred,
Speaker 1: million edibles at one hundred milligrams, which is funny because
Speaker 1: Michigan we did start at one hundred and then we
Speaker 1: opened it up to two hundred. So like seeing them
Speaker 1: go want to cap it at a hundred, It's like,
Speaker 1: why would you be doing this when you could look
Speaker 1: at the state above you, your big brother, and say,
Speaker 1: oh hey, look at these guys.
Speaker 2: Look at what they're doing, like people on Ohio wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to call us that. But then no, that's why
Speaker 2: I said it. No, Yeah, I said fuck Ohio. I mean, whoa,
Speaker 2: you really feel man.
Speaker 1: But then they also want to decrease your extracts, so
Speaker 1: you're kind of your concentra extracts. So that'd be like
Speaker 1: your vapes, that would be your rosin, that'd be your crumble,
Speaker 1: that'd be your shatter, you're all your live resident all
Speaker 1: that crap from down from ninety percent to a max
Speaker 1: of seventy percent, which I think is crazy because some
Speaker 1: people do need the higher dose of concentrates and a
Speaker 1: lot of great rosin I see test that seventy six percent,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get rid of a lot of good product.
Speaker 1: Then also, the bill would raise the cost. Right now,
Speaker 1: there's a ten percent tax at the point of sale.
Speaker 1: The GOP wants it at fifteen, which isn't too much
Speaker 1: of a hike. I mean we're at sixteen total, right,
Speaker 1: But then their governor wants increased at the twenty. He's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want increase to the twenty. And it's like my
Speaker 1: mind goes okay, okay. So all these people they see
Speaker 1: what cannabis is doing right groovy, They see they can
Speaker 1: bring in money and all this, and then they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's text the hell out of it. But it's like,
Speaker 1: once you do that, like you stated a couple minutes ago,
Speaker 1: you're going to push people away. And here's the thing, Ohio,
Speaker 1: such a new market, why would you try to stripe it?
Speaker 1: Like right now you say cost your double what a
Speaker 1: Michigan is right.
Speaker 2: That's what it said in the article to Ohio Capital Journal.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I expected it to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more because I didn't think they had as
Speaker 1: many businesses operational, you know, so I wouldn't even expect it.
Speaker 1: I could expect it to be three times more. But
Speaker 1: once you do this, you're going to raise the prices,
Speaker 1: which is going to cost more, and people might be
Speaker 1: going to Michigan, they might be going back to the
Speaker 1: black market. I overall think and this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a trend through. The whole thing is I just think
Speaker 1: lawmakers need to be educated on this, because the whole
Speaker 1: reason to legalize cannabis was to get to get out
Speaker 1: of the black market, Like that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You're able to make money, the states are able to
Speaker 1: make money, the city's able to make money, and it
Speaker 1: was to get stop stop getting people throwing people away
Speaker 1: for jail for a gram or two or whatever. Because
Speaker 1: we have twenty five states that are legal, and we
Speaker 1: have over thirty states that are medicinally legal, so obviously
Speaker 1: we see some type of value here. But when you're
Speaker 1: trying to restrict an industry that's still in its like
Speaker 1: baby infancy stage, like you're just putting clamps on it
Speaker 1: and you're not letting it grow. Like this is Ohio.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing, but this could be
Speaker 1: pretty big for your state. And I hate to say
Speaker 1: that because we're in Michigan. We get tons of traffic
Speaker 1: and sales up Michigan allegedly, right doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter, No one's going to care over here.
Speaker 1: But it's like, when you do this, why why Because
Speaker 1: you see a little bit of revenue that you can make,
Speaker 1: don't you think long term if you don't do this,
Speaker 1: that you might be able to increase your revenue long
Speaker 1: term instead of getting a big chunk like in the
Speaker 1: first two three years when you increase taxes and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because after two three years,
Speaker 1: people will start going to the black market. They will
Speaker 1: go find a product elsewhere because if your product isn't
Speaker 1: get on the shelves, they're going to go somewhere else
Speaker 1: to get said product. Because cannabis people have been getting
Speaker 1: for years, like illegal or legal. So so this just
Speaker 1: hurts me that, like Ohio, a year and two months
Speaker 1: into recreational marijuana, you already have lawmakers and going insane,
Speaker 1: Like dude, least wait for it.
Speaker 2: Like why why else would you be rushing this state
Speaker 2: the state bill fifty six, you know, like why else?
Speaker 2: Like it's nothing to do with trying to get more money.
Speaker 2: And I just think, you know, we're seeing this trend
Speaker 2: of just trying to get people to give money get
Speaker 2: money from cannabis companies, because like you said, there's that
Speaker 2: lack of understanding that like this these you know, these
Speaker 2: cannabis companies, you know, they they deal with different things
Speaker 2: than other businesses. Safe, yeah, they don't say banking. They
Speaker 2: have so many like layers of discriminatory things that cannabis
Speaker 2: companies just have to deal with that I don't think
Speaker 2: the the regulators know or they don't or they're ignoring.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't out that you weren't alive, but.
Speaker 2: Like or the regulars like just they I don't like.
Speaker 2: The thing is the information so blatantly out there and
Speaker 2: articles and information and if you just went and asked
Speaker 2: your communities, that it's clear that these lawmakers are just ignoring.
Speaker 2: So this is the point where like, especially if in
Speaker 2: the Mycana Pros group, someone already did like a whole
Speaker 2: text thing that you could just copy and send to
Speaker 2: your register your representatives. But anyone who does Eurocal representative,
Speaker 2: this is the time to you know, reach out to
Speaker 2: them to have pushed persuade the votes for the for
Speaker 2: this because it doesn't make sense. You know, it just
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense similar what's going on in your Michigan.
Speaker 2: You know. That's why I just realized, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just realized I crossed over there because of what's going
Speaker 2: on Ohio is so similar what's going on in Michigan.
Speaker 2: But someone in Michigan and my Canapros group did that.
Speaker 2: So if you're in Ohio, also read out your state representative.
Speaker 2: Sorry I kind of crossed over stories there because they're
Speaker 2: so similar. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So, but get a little bit with the taxes. So
Speaker 1: stay tuned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm sure you already heard about it, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna dig into it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And if you didn't hear about it, we talked about
Speaker 1: in our Waking make that's every Saturday live nine am
Speaker 1: Eastern besides this Saturday tune in and yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: over everywhere. So again, Ohio, I hope you don't do this.
Speaker 1: I hope you don't start crippling your industry based off
Speaker 1: of lawmakers. So make sure you vote, vote, not vote,
Speaker 1: make sure you voice your voice your opinion in a
Speaker 1: nice way. Don't go anger at them, because that's just
Speaker 1: gonna make him pushing.
Speaker 2: It's just weird that people assume there's a lot of
Speaker 2: money because you see these articles by company, like by
Speaker 2: by some news articles saying that there's profits. But these
Speaker 2: are the same article companies that are talking about psychosis
Speaker 2: and talking shit about weed too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's got to consider your media sources out here,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I'm all rolling
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Speaker 2: So this was an interesting article. This one's not any
Speaker 2: but base any location, but this one day brought to
Speaker 2: my attention about a former former Navy seal, the one
Speaker 2: who actually killed those I'm bin Laden, is starting his
Speaker 2: own cannabis company or marijuana company in this article says
Speaker 2: from nd TV World or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's supposed to be giving some of the proceeds
Speaker 1: back to vets, which that was one reason. I think
Speaker 1: the one thing I liked. I was like, that's great
Speaker 1: to see because a lot of the vets suffer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very military theme. They have Healer Indica Warriors Sativa,
Speaker 2: and Shooter Hybrid. I like that Shooter sounds fun, but
Speaker 2: I love that. I don't know, just don't it's like
Speaker 2: shoot a shooter, mccavn what. But yeah, so he's a
Speaker 2: formal member of Seal Team six and game recognition for
Speaker 2: taking credit for the fatal shot and something in the
Speaker 2: master behind nine to eleven. If you don't know, if
Speaker 2: you're crazy thing, if you don't know about nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: but during a COVID operation in Pac Santos eleven you're
Speaker 2: too young, you just it's if you don't know maybe
Speaker 2: well actually no, that's why I was doing the math.
Speaker 2: I was like, could you be old enough now? Because
Speaker 2: I feel so old when you go though.
Speaker 1: I mean you would be twenty three.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But if you didn't learn about it in high school
Speaker 1: or anything that I don't know. But no.
Speaker 2: But so it's interesting, you know, like like Dave said,
Speaker 2: that's really cool to see someone doing some about the vets.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting to have that military theme
Speaker 2: because sometimes when you talk about cannabis, you talked about
Speaker 2: someone in the military. It's so, but almost don't go
Speaker 2: hand in hand, you know, although they should with PTSD.
Speaker 1: What is it the ra is that is that the
Speaker 1: the v A, the v A right? Uh? Veterans, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the veterans, they don't even a lot of them don't
Speaker 1: even support the cannabis. So and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them. A lot of veterans suffer from PTSD from
Speaker 1: being in the war wars, I should say, and.
Speaker 2: I mean just anything. I mean you have to do
Speaker 2: some things that you don't have to do in normal
Speaker 2: civilian life that I don't think civilians can understand, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can't even fathom to think about what
Speaker 1: they do. We just see what they do with movies
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I think I could do that,
Speaker 1: And you're like no, no, no, no, you know the
Speaker 1: training and.
Speaker 2: Stuff of the movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I thought it was cool. Like you said,
Speaker 1: everything's themed, uh for military.
Speaker 2: I love the approach, you know, unique, very interesting, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it. But it's very unique to itself.
Speaker 2: And I love the idea because you don't see enough
Speaker 2: of it. You know, there are vets here. We always
Speaker 2: see some who is the guy that speaks Blake on
Speaker 2: his name. Forgive me Jamie, if you're in the comments,
Speaker 2: are listening. But there is a guy who always talks
Speaker 2: about this type of stuff and hash bash. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just because it needs it needs to be discussed,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: No, it does, man, it does. And there's that's a
Speaker 1: huge group of people, a lot and some of them
Speaker 1: are even homeless, and they're out there fighting for our
Speaker 1: for our freedoms, which kills me every time. So like,
Speaker 1: I love seeing him do this. I hope his brand
Speaker 1: does well in the state. I hope it's I hope
Speaker 1: the flowers good. Right, Yeah, but it's so hard Soho.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be in Soho. A lot
Speaker 1: of the Soho stories are something those saying I don't
Speaker 1: know who's grown it didn say. But I hope it's
Speaker 1: a good product because I love the backing behind it,
Speaker 1: giving it back to a lot of the vets. And
Speaker 1: like we said, the packaging is all catered military st
Speaker 1: I think that's going to hit home with a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have gone that have some military background
Speaker 1: or family, and a lot of people have.
Speaker 2: Someone there family. I'm I've come from military.
Speaker 1: You know, I have something too. Uncles or uncles.
Speaker 2: But if you're if you're dabbing smoking with us, let
Speaker 2: us know what your David is smoking on the comments
Speaker 2: always I'm dabbing on some gushers.
Speaker 1: At Calhoun Korean by Kinship.
Speaker 2: So I forgot I have that cannoby up here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: put that down, so doesn't.
Speaker 1: We got the cannoby up here. And that's that the
Speaker 1: Apex collabing. If you don't, If you're not familiar with Apex,
Speaker 1: go check out our episode January first with Eddie, owner
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Speaker 1: what he does, and he does a lot, so appreciate you, Iddie.
Speaker 1: We've still got to come out, so if you're listening,
Speaker 1: we'll be coming out here in a couple of months,
Speaker 1: probably probably towards spring. But yeah, let's shop into our
Speaker 1: next article here, groovy. I'm wanted to jump into Minnesota
Speaker 1: real quick. Briefly, I thought the Minnesota stuff and it
Speaker 1: just the reason why I brought out Minnesota is because
Speaker 1: Jess Jackson, who we just had on last week, is
Speaker 1: actually working a lot on Smith's Minnesota stuff.
Speaker 2: Just Jackson.
Speaker 1: That's going on within trying to opening up licenses and
Speaker 1: getting people to register for it. And then also on
Speaker 1: top of that, Jess Jackson also has a self help
Speaker 1: book she wrote as well too, I want to mention.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, she's a social equity director out there in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she does a lot. She's crushed.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if we talked about this. I think
Speaker 2: we did discuss that they're accepting license applications, but they are.
Speaker 2: I think it came up. It's funny about it's rebringing this, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I feel like we got the four War one
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: We did, we did, But before we jump into that,
Speaker 1: I just want a real quick mention that I thought
Speaker 1: this was even cool. Minnesota tribes can open up five
Speaker 1: cannabis shops potentially under the.
Speaker 2: She did bring that up that they were starting out,
Speaker 2: but he didn't say how many.
Speaker 1: But this is outside the reservation though, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to be on their land.
Speaker 2: They can't know how Vegas was with new that wasn't
Speaker 2: on land, was it? I thought it was just the
Speaker 2: owners were I thought I thought that was on land. Interesting.
Speaker 2: I thought I could be wrong. I didn't guess I
Speaker 2: just figured because it's right down town.
Speaker 1: Because the Assumption Lounge, I mean it is desert and
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 2: No I know, I I guess I don't know where
Speaker 2: the you know, I thought you'd have to go into
Speaker 2: a certain area. That's all right. I don't know how
Speaker 2: that works. I've just never been on a reservation.
Speaker 1: Some reason. I think it was reservation because that's why
Speaker 1: I was able to open on the Consumption Lounge. But
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm just one. I don't hear questioning.
Speaker 2: I'm not questioning what you're saying. I'm questioning, like I
Speaker 2: wonder if they're taking a similar model to like Vegas,
Speaker 2: and they're taking that model, you know, more equity approach
Speaker 2: on it, right man, because there's when there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hardships. Man. Like I said, people don't want to
Speaker 2: really think about equity versus quality. But equity is giving
Speaker 2: people even an advantage to give an equal playing field,
Speaker 2: and I think some people forget about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was unique that if this does
Speaker 1: go through and they're able to open off off Land,
Speaker 1: I think that's huge because then you're able to hit
Speaker 1: crazy different, They're able to hit everybody like everyone else.
Speaker 1: Like you said, everyone's get a fair opportunity to hit
Speaker 1: every every consumer out there. When it's just on the
Speaker 1: land and you're just in that spot, they got to
Speaker 1: how are they getting people? And you can't advertise right,
Speaker 1: like so like you have to have something driving them there.
Speaker 1: So do they have is it like here? I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with UH reservations or Native American land out in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: but like here in Michigan we have was it Soreing
Speaker 1: Eagles Land? You have a casino there and people would
Speaker 1: go there to the casino and then maybe you'd have
Speaker 1: a shop there. Like that's what I'm thinking, Like, what's
Speaker 1: gonna drive people consumers to the land. But if you're
Speaker 1: able to open it up outside of the reservation land,
Speaker 1: that's huge because then you've got you got you could
Speaker 1: do different areas in the state and have your products showcased.
Speaker 2: That's true equity in that in my because you're allowed
Speaker 2: because I feel like sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know adding to my like and here in Michigan
Speaker 1: you can't even get your product in metric. We found
Speaker 1: Summer which is crazy. I mean, I mean you had
Speaker 1: no idea like Summer mentioned.
Speaker 2: I was like what because that's what. That's what I
Speaker 2: also wonder is I I'm curious how Minnesota is doing,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if you can get into the metric mark.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're not, if you're not opening up on
Speaker 1: your land, I'm assuming you're allowed to, and I know
Speaker 1: just should say you can do.
Speaker 2: I remember bringing up that they can they can cross over.
Speaker 2: I don't know the stipulations and what, but like that,
Speaker 2: that's that's awesome. And I imagine Jess had something to
Speaker 2: do with that, you know, I don't know, or maybe
Speaker 2: our predecessors. But that's really cool because when you talk
Speaker 2: about even places like Michigan who don't have that advantage,
Speaker 2: like I think that's very because, like you said, you're
Speaker 2: forcing people to have to go to one specific location,
Speaker 2: which especially how we know how metric cannabis works. A
Speaker 2: lot of this is convenience. You know a lot of
Speaker 2: people go to the disco that's close to them, are
Speaker 2: on their way.
Speaker 1: I know that, and you see that as more and
Speaker 1: more cities open up, people are going less and less
Speaker 1: to their older shot that they used to go to.
Speaker 1: Or if you've got good deals, people will go for deals.
Speaker 1: Like if you've got deals, people will search out those deals.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is something that no matter what,
Speaker 1: you put a deal, but it's like you put a
Speaker 1: great deal on the fucking TV. People are going but.
Speaker 2: Again things the deals has, it's that mark. It's that
Speaker 2: consumer too, right, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. But also going back to Minnesota quick, uh, the
Speaker 1: Cannabis Agency that MCA, which is Minnesota's canabis agency, begets
Speaker 1: accepting licenseee applications for pop businesses. Applications for most license
Speaker 1: types will be accepted starting Tuesday, which is I'm assuming
Speaker 1: next Tuesday or this Tuesday. This article came out literally
Speaker 1: like today, so today, then Tuesday through March fourteenth, licenses
Speaker 1: would be scheduled and awarded and then the war awarded.
Speaker 2: It's not exactly that wasn't written great. I didn't say
Speaker 2: which Tuesday, just says Tuesday. Overall.
Speaker 1: Overall, they're starting to open up and you're be able
Speaker 1: to get a license. So it's only gonna be a
Speaker 1: matter of time before they have recreational sales of more
Speaker 1: product there in Stas. I know they have drinks because
Speaker 1: Jess was saying.
Speaker 2: This, Minnesota's doing things right. And I'm not just saying
Speaker 2: that because Jess was just on our podcast. It just
Speaker 2: you know, it just sounds like they're no I think
Speaker 2: with the equity status. Yeah, I think that's amazing because
Speaker 2: I think it would be sweet if they were able
Speaker 2: to do that here in the state of Michigan, you know,
Speaker 2: if they want, if they could open up in different
Speaker 2: areas or even get their product in our market.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's as fair the way we're
Speaker 2: doing it over here. I think you're kind of being like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can do.
Speaker 1: It too, but just to your just like almost just
Speaker 1: your people though.
Speaker 2: Right, and exactly That's what I'm saying. It's but it's
Speaker 2: like it's still its own, its own way. It's like
Speaker 2: you do that, but over there, like yeah, you know
Speaker 2: something I like when Minnesota's doing We'll keep our eyes
Speaker 2: on it, like and exciting to see what the taxes
Speaker 2: eight months especially you know in Jess, I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: be making ourselves out there. That's kind of our plan,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And before we get to our big big I
Speaker 1: want to jump into that c cell on the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I think the I think the RFK and then the
Speaker 1: Michigan topic are going to be a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more popitive. Yeah, and I have a video I
Speaker 2: want to play.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 2: This next one is, as Dave said, is about on
Speaker 2: a ce Cell lawsuit going on.
Speaker 1: With familiar with ce Cell. They're the vay hardware for
Speaker 1: a hardware for your FAPs.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think my lower third went away crazy, but
Speaker 2: either way, this uh, it's new lawsuit accusing ce sell
Speaker 2: price fixing and monopoly tactics. I believe it was Active
Speaker 2: was the company who called them out on this, which
Speaker 2: was the party we went to, and they remember went
Speaker 2: to that party was an active party, So that's why
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no way, it was a fun party.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our buddy who gotta say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, So for sure, I mean, so yeah,
Speaker 2: this is pretty crazy because I mean, I think things
Speaker 2: like this kind of happen in industry, but very secretively
Speaker 2: because it's owned by like one company way up high
Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of nice to see this stuff.
Speaker 2: You can be called out sea self. You don't know
Speaker 2: there they are one of the leading you have to
Speaker 2: say this, they are one of the leading companies in vapes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, when everyone everyone probably listening that smokes vape
Speaker 1: has probably used the ce cell see self matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, like I sure I love the
Speaker 2: O two's now, but ce cells have been around.
Speaker 1: For what we've been The funny thing about this, though,
Speaker 1: is like not funny. We do see this happen because
Speaker 1: Puffco had a lawsuit about their tech, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not price and fixment, but like selling off
Speaker 1: of their tech. So when people see stuff and they
Speaker 1: see it working, people are always gonna try to make
Speaker 1: a quick buck off of it. Yeah, I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: goes Tanahem with this. That's actually the that doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He digressed.
Speaker 1: But you didn't hear Puff Goo did when they're lawsuit.
Speaker 2: But what you're saying is that you hear about companies
Speaker 2: having lawsuit issues because when you are similar technology, what's
Speaker 2: separating you is like hairs, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like really like I mean, I understand everyone can probably
Speaker 2: gonn yell my chat, oh puff go this carda This
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, it's a vaporizer, right,
Speaker 2: like Karda has some certain perks, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: I have. I'm in the puff Goo family, like I
Speaker 2: have a few, so it's like I can't not puff go.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's like you can't.
Speaker 2: You know, you're splitting hairs and you're really just picking
Speaker 2: what works for you, right, Like I like this is dry,
Speaker 2: like the modules side. You know, this just works for me.
Speaker 2: But I want to quote Michael Brosegarts, he's going mess
Speaker 2: your name of it, but he's the president of Next
Speaker 2: Level Venters Active and actually, really forgive me if we
Speaker 2: met you, but I don't think we met you. But
Speaker 2: the pointiff price fixing allegations are no surprise. Active uh
Speaker 2: is the first party to hold s'more legally accountables more
Speaker 2: as one of the leaders this SEASL for his anti
Speaker 2: competitive conduct, and preliminary expert damages analysis suggests that Active
Speaker 2: is entitled to nearly two hundred million as the direct
Speaker 2: result of s'more as a legal contact conduct in the
Speaker 2: cannabis vate market. The clact the class plaintiffs maybe owed
Speaker 2: even more so they're just saying, just our company is
Speaker 2: owed this much. It's insane, Yeah, and like that that's
Speaker 2: that's what's crazy to me, is that that's what they're claiming.
Speaker 2: That's a a lot so according to the comments, MORE
Speaker 2: and its distributors agreed not to compete with each other,
Speaker 2: enforcementum price agreements, and leverage patient litigations to snap rivals.
Speaker 2: The lawsuit follows the legal battles including the ITC Trade
Speaker 2: Commission case which More accused multiple US vape companies of
Speaker 2: patent patent infringement. So this is the same guy who's
Speaker 2: already been kind of people for other things. You know,
Speaker 2: So many smaller businesses were forced other market due to
Speaker 2: high litigation just of that Trade commissioned lawsuits, So he
Speaker 2: kind of already was forced people out, so he's not
Speaker 2: He's already even kind of like, you know, done some.
Speaker 1: It sounds like some of these big cannabis companies that
Speaker 1: have all these retails and then not retails.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like despite all this rulings, More allegedly
Speaker 2: continue to keep following lawsuits against competitors, why I maintain
Speaker 2: a restrictive pricing agreements with its distributors. So basically it
Speaker 2: was like he was forcing people out of the market
Speaker 2: with these lawsuits while secretly having price promises behind the doors,
Speaker 2: even though he promised to keep price at this with
Speaker 2: this meeting with these people. So he's pretty much just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'll keep it at that price, I'll do it for
Speaker 2: lower That's kind of how I took it. And because
Speaker 2: of that, active is like I lost out on two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in sales because of your bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And think about all the other people who were probably
Speaker 2: like how much money did they lose from this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is all alleged allegedly like you know,
Speaker 2: faith companies, But it's it's definitely an interesting lawsuit because
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never heard of something price fixing him
Speaker 2: and knobly tactics, because that is essentially what you're doing,
Speaker 2: is if you're forcing other people out the market with
Speaker 2: lawsuits while your distributors, of course are going to keep
Speaker 2: buying more c selle because they were getting it for
Speaker 2: different prices than what you're degreeing to with everyone else.
Speaker 1: Like shady, very shaddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a fan, not shocked per se.
Speaker 1: But it is like it's in the cannabis industry, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not shocking anything. A lot of it's just like
Speaker 1: just because where it's came from. Obviously this happens in
Speaker 1: other businesses, other areas of business, you know, maybe agriculture
Speaker 1: tax something like that. But just just within the Cannus history,
Speaker 1: not a lot of stuff surprises me anymore, is what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's cutthrow. It is cut throw, it's
Speaker 2: not And that's why I think it's like when we
Speaker 2: go back to the other articles like Ohio people and Michigan,
Speaker 2: you know, increasing tax, It's like, what do you think
Speaker 2: everyone's just rolling in dough over here? Now, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of companies because there's a lot of passion in
Speaker 2: hisury now because there's a lot of money. That's what
Speaker 2: people don't understand. There's a lot of competition because this
Speaker 2: is people's dream. This is like you know, some people
Speaker 2: want to want to go to the NFL, some people
Speaker 2: want to have their own canvas company. I swear to god,
Speaker 2: it's the same ship. Like when you talk David, it's
Speaker 2: a passion right, Like it's like me performing Big Sage
Speaker 2: is a dream man like. So it's it's not just
Speaker 2: an industry, it's an industry built on people's dreams too.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like we're out here like making socks,
Speaker 2: you know, not knocking making socks. He needs well, it's necessary,
Speaker 2: but it's not as as fun and lucrative. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Very true, very true, very true. You don't know a
Speaker 1: fun fact though it's about socks. Yeah, it is about sacks.
Speaker 1: It's my fun fact about secks. I guess wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be cool if you could have if you had a
Speaker 1: new pair of socks every day? Like new pairs of
Speaker 1: socks are so comforted.
Speaker 2: So it's funny, Russell Simmons, you think you used to
Speaker 2: do this, And it's funny because I heard about this
Speaker 2: on like a Cribs episode, and you like, I throw
Speaker 2: up my socks every day. I was like, man, that's
Speaker 2: so wasteful, but I was like, dude, So it's kind
Speaker 2: of cool though, because you know, there's so much like
Speaker 2: the materials perfect.
Speaker 1: It's like very comfy, very wasteful, very very wasteful. Saying
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was a good idea. I did
Speaker 1: say it was a good idea. I'll tell you let it,
Speaker 1: but I never said anything about environment with it. But
Speaker 1: does it not bad idea? Though? You wouldn't Who would
Speaker 1: not want that?
Speaker 2: Come on? Cool?
Speaker 1: Cool, cool, Try to get off something cannabis and this
Speaker 1: guy just stares at me.
Speaker 2: Like I'm if you said something made sense, I'll say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna got the rest of the episode.
Speaker 2: Sick, sick sick. So no, I'm just messagy man. But no,
Speaker 2: it's interesting. It is a cutthroat industry out there, It
Speaker 2: really is. I mean, it's crazy that this is where
Speaker 2: we come down to. But here we are. You know, well,
Speaker 2: this next one is kind of frustrating. We'll say that
Speaker 2: at the least. This is the RFK one. So the
Speaker 2: reason why we were kind of delaying this, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and pack a damn before I watch this
Speaker 2: because I want to. I want to show you guys
Speaker 2: a clip we found. We found this article which had
Speaker 2: like a minute and a half clip of this fifteen
Speaker 2: minute interview between a Fox uh News anchor that I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of because she clearly like does
Speaker 2: not like caneism, clearly like she's been I bet you
Speaker 2: she's the lead of all this when we talked about
Speaker 2: it is psychosis, like it's it's her quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Ingram like you never say your last name, so I
Speaker 2: want to like butcher it. But whatever. Yeah, So we're
Speaker 2: gonna play this little clip and just RFK JN you're
Speaker 2: talking about, and the quote is I think I don't
Speaker 2: I want to mess it up our pajuic is. Marijuana
Speaker 2: can have catastrophic impacts on customers. So I just thought
Speaker 2: that was interesting. I'm gonna take a dab.
Speaker 1: Why we do so?
Speaker 2: And I we haven't watched a video in a while
Speaker 2: on here, so I thought that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Oh of course it's playing already. Darn it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: una rewind. There we go.
Speaker 1: A h.
Speaker 2: Is it working?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It pausing? Why does it keep pausing every time I
Speaker 2: do them? It's every now, I don't hear it.
Speaker 1: N you knows.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run it back.
Speaker 3: One even covered by the New York Times, multiple liar.
Speaker 2: All right, so I ran it back. Here's that a video,
Speaker 2: here's that clip.
Speaker 4: If you care about public health, you've got nothing to
Speaker 4: worry about if you're in there working for the pharmaceutical industries.
Speaker 4: And I'd say you should move out work for the
Speaker 4: pharmaceutical industry.
Speaker 2: So why not just make it official today?
Speaker 3: Senator Pete Ricketts said that you'd follow the science on
Speaker 3: marijuana's harms, which are increasingly documented. There have been two
Speaker 3: recent studies saying that pot causes psychosis one from Canada.
Speaker 3: One even covered by the New York Times multiple pieces.
Speaker 2: Actually in the Times, it.
Speaker 3: Increases the chances of death. Are you concerned about the
Speaker 3: normalization of high THGC marijuana, especially among our young people
Speaker 3: and what might you do about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am worried about it. And you know, I've
Speaker 4: been in recovery for forty two years. I go to
Speaker 4: twelve step meetings or every day, and so I hear
Speaker 4: stories all the time of people of the impacts of
Speaker 4: marijuana on people and really catastrophic.
Speaker 1: Impacts on them.
Speaker 4: That worry also has to be balanced about, you know,
Speaker 4: the impacts that we had before the twenty five states
Speaker 4: now legalized marijuana, but we had about a third of
Speaker 4: our prison population that was in jail because of marijuana fans.
Speaker 2: It's that's something we don't want either.
Speaker 4: We have because of the legalization of recreational marijuana in
Speaker 4: twenty five states, we have now a capacity to really
Speaker 4: study it and to compare it to states. Studies look bad, right,
Speaker 4: and we need to do studies. We need to figure
Speaker 4: out and then we need to we need to implement
Speaker 4: policies to.
Speaker 2: Address anti abortion. Okay, we're gonna gun it out before
Speaker 2: we get into that. So the thing is actually now
Speaker 2: that I listen to this after like because the article.
Speaker 1: Okay, So for me, it's it's it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: where RFK stands because you can tell that it's somebody
Speaker 1: higher ups because when he was running for president last year,
Speaker 1: before he joined UH, he was for legalization of cannabis.
Speaker 1: And then when he was transitioning on Trump's team, he
Speaker 1: was for cannabis legalization. And now that he's super close
Speaker 1: to being the the was it the health he's gonna
Speaker 1: be running the health department or whatever the fuck's doing.
Speaker 1: He's been pretty silent on this topic. So when he
Speaker 1: brings it up that it's cantistrophic, it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: kind of iron now ironic, it's just weird.
Speaker 2: And like, listen, I want to I'm gonna have sympathy
Speaker 2: for this guy because he went through recovery. Sure, I
Speaker 2: understand that, but first off, I mean, you're talking to
Speaker 2: people who have you know, who went through some shit like,
Speaker 2: so it's probably not just from cannabis. So I feel
Speaker 2: like he's quoting people who use weed, like just people
Speaker 2: who use weed, you know. I feel like this is
Speaker 2: very out of context. And that's why I'm want to
Speaker 2: clarify that even this article was very grabbing in that
Speaker 2: stereotypical bullshit media just trying to get you to clar
Speaker 2: article and get angry, because when you really watch this article,
Speaker 2: it's just this Ingram person again wording things how she
Speaker 2: needs to for propaganda. And this is how I stay
Speaker 2: away from Fox when they talk about cannabis because it's
Speaker 2: very propaganda field. She was throwing in propaganda before he
Speaker 2: can even get words in there, like you could tell,
Speaker 2: like you said, he sounded hired. It was the most
Speaker 2: political answer I've ever heard in my life, Like all right,
Speaker 2: besides that little bit of relation, which he tried to do,
Speaker 2: and that's where I'm like, I don't even know where
Speaker 2: that came from. Man, you can't use one person who's
Speaker 2: cannabis and be like, oh.
Speaker 1: Catastrophic, Like bro, what The one thing he did say
Speaker 1: that I liked was that there's twenty five states legal.
Speaker 1: Now we have a lot of stays soere we can
Speaker 1: do a lot of research.
Speaker 2: And notice that's when she shifted the conversation. She's like, well,
Speaker 2: anti abortion, she shifted the conversation. That's why it was
Speaker 2: so out of context because what she was trying to
Speaker 2: do is prod to get these responses on cannabis. And
Speaker 2: then as soon as he started talking about, well the
Speaker 2: research is actually and we need to focus on research,
Speaker 2: She's like, well, let's let's move on ironic.
Speaker 1: Well it's the Fox people.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying ironic, just saying ironic. Hey man, I
Speaker 2: don't care who she's a tool for, just saying that's ironic.
Speaker 2: And then and then you're quoting your own psychotic, psychosist
Speaker 2: things like you were literally the person who talked about this,
Speaker 2: like I can't remember it, you can't get paid to
Speaker 2: do the article and then quote yourself. Yeah, this whole
Speaker 2: article is very propaganda and just trying to make RFK
Speaker 2: look look at back. Granted, I don't agree with this
Speaker 2: statement there in the beginning, but I truly feel like
Speaker 2: he's just kind of being a tool here. So it's
Speaker 2: like I really can't blame him, but he's really all
Speaker 2: this is just obviously a controlled conversation. It's all a tool. No,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say. This whole conversation was
Speaker 2: like all right, they this was so scripted, like media
Speaker 2: has become so much more entertainment and less actual reporting
Speaker 2: on news. It's like ridiculous and this is just propaganda off. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: well just pisses me off. Like you're so like you're
Speaker 2: so desperate to get back, get attention, get clicks that
Speaker 2: you're not even reporting like true, you're just reporting what
Speaker 2: you know your demographic wants to hear. It's not like
Speaker 2: we don't We don't just say things about weed because
Speaker 2: you want to hear them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like we just say what's going on, you know, that's
Speaker 2: how you report information, you know, and then we'll say, hey,
Speaker 2: but here's my thoughts and we separate it. That's frustrating, man.
Speaker 2: It's just so you still see propaganda in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: you know. But Fox will also share the profit margins
Speaker 2: and all the stock things like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody comes to cannabis, like yep, that's the movie wild Man.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, and then this last one day wants
Speaker 2: to jump into or we want to jump too. We
Speaker 2: talked about it a bit on the wagon bake Every Saturday,
Speaker 2: uh nine to ten Eastern stand time. Well most Saturdays,
Speaker 2: I have some family stuff going on. This weekend so
Speaker 2: we're not doing this Saturday. But as long as they're
Speaker 2: not like issues, we're usually there. So check us out
Speaker 2: there on all the social medias. Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 2: the lower third. Do you want to talk about it
Speaker 2: so I can do this.
Speaker 1: It's just a new tax proposal for cannabis that Wimmer's
Speaker 1: bringing up to uh, pretty much crush the cannabis industry.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here it is new tax on wholesale cannabis
Speaker 2: proposed by Whitmer. It's a tax that's gonna go in Michigan.
Speaker 2: We talked about in the way big, like I said,
Speaker 2: but dig into a little bit deeper here, just to
Speaker 2: talk about our opinions less just reporting the chat ah.
Speaker 2: Like Dave saidould you say already dyeing industry, would you
Speaker 2: just say a little bit ago already struggling if.
Speaker 1: You said something, I don't know how exactly about how?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but either way, the industry is already like suffering.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's already just just just trying
Speaker 2: to make ends meet. Everyone thinks there's a lot of money,
Speaker 2: but it's like people don't understand. It's like you may
Speaker 2: there may be a million dollars in revenue but it's
Speaker 2: like takes nine hundred thousand to make that million, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and then there's overhead and you're
Speaker 2: not getting right off. So there's a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 2: So this suggests that wholesale tax on cannabis product similar tobacco,
Speaker 2: is trying to raise four hundred and seventy million dollars
Speaker 2: for the roads. Where we've also heard in the where
Speaker 2: in the chat was brought up on Saturday that that's
Speaker 2: actually m DOT is actually trying to get closer to
Speaker 2: like two point five billion or three billion, so this
Speaker 2: is nowhere to year. They are just trying to make
Speaker 2: more money off this for the roads, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's it. That's a low blow for Michigan because everyone
Speaker 2: hates the roads here. Like you put anything behind fixing roads,
Speaker 2: most people are like, I'll listen. So it's like screw you.
Speaker 1: First off, whole campaigns logan back in twenty eighteen was
Speaker 1: fixed the damn road. That's how she got elected.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know, but like you know, the cannabis insitu
Speaker 2: is already paying for some of that. They're just trying
Speaker 2: to increase to get more money, and they're trying to
Speaker 2: say that this whole seal. And the thing about wholesale
Speaker 2: is like what we realized too about the chat is
Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't realize what like the the
Speaker 2: white labeling is interesting in an industry where you take
Speaker 2: a product and you sell to someone else so they
Speaker 2: can slap their logo on it for a discount of
Speaker 2: rate so they can make it for more money. Right,
Speaker 2: happens all the time in resale happens all the time
Speaker 2: and all sorts of things. Absolutely, But people forget cannabis, right,
Speaker 2: people forget because they just buy that bag and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is too gru it. Half people don't even read
Speaker 2: power by Produced by Grown in this LLC, like, which
Speaker 2: please do so it's all on there, yeah please. But
Speaker 2: so a lot of that gets done a lot of
Speaker 2: these companies that we love, Like sure they have those
Speaker 2: those those apes, are those those turfs that you love.
Speaker 2: But like a lot of the money, half the money
Speaker 2: gets made by them just selling to someone else so
Speaker 2: they can make their own edibles, may throw it into
Speaker 2: pre rolls all this other stuff because a lot of
Speaker 2: these other companies aren't vertically integrated or aren't just doing
Speaker 2: it all them selves, singer source. So it's that it's
Speaker 2: affecting a lot of these companies who we love bottom end,
Speaker 2: so it's really gonna screw them, and when they're already
Speaker 2: struggling like and.
Speaker 1: Then it's going to raise prices for all the consumers
Speaker 1: here because people the prices and oouncels will probably double
Speaker 1: the concentrats. I don't know how high they will go,
Speaker 1: but they've ever heard flower double.
Speaker 2: When it's funny and wimmor goes, Hey, ours is the
Speaker 2: cheapest product anywhere, we should charge more for it, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works again, you just you shove
Speaker 2: the price up.
Speaker 1: Happening Cali. Look at their tax rates. I mean you
Speaker 1: have you have farmers that have were grown for years.
Speaker 1: They're crushing the reasons why we have medical cannabis, and
Speaker 1: they lost they lost their businesses because they can't you
Speaker 1: can't afford, you can't compete with taxes. And then people
Speaker 1: where they go to go to black market because the
Speaker 1: consumers aren't going to pay that extra thirty thirty five
Speaker 1: percent tax that keeps getting higher and higher. It's not
Speaker 1: worth it. We're getting the same product. But the businesses
Speaker 1: I understand, they can't. They can't afford to eat the
Speaker 1: whole cost. That's too much goddamn money when they're barely
Speaker 1: making money. So it has to go to the consumers.
Speaker 1: And that's what sucks, because consumers are going to go
Speaker 1: elsewhere and be like, yo, I can get this product
Speaker 1: for this price and.
Speaker 2: Man, the one million. It makes me mad or makes
Speaker 2: me feel some type of way about this is the
Speaker 2: fact that it everyone goes, oh, they're going to go
Speaker 2: back to the illicit market, yeah, because it's only legal ish,
Speaker 2: Like you still can't just smoke in the public, Like,
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of regulations, right, there's I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't smell like weed or you can get searched, right.
Speaker 2: I guess smoking in public is like down the road, right.
Speaker 2: But like my whole point is, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: other things that are wrong in the industry. So it's
Speaker 2: frustrating to me that the focus is still on how
Speaker 2: much money we can make off this industry that we
Speaker 2: don't even truly care about.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I know, you still have cities that don't even opt
Speaker 1: into licenses yet they can.
Speaker 2: When there's still so many things that need to be
Speaker 2: fixed in the industry. First for these because if you
Speaker 2: had safe banking in line. Right, you said that if
Speaker 2: you had that in line and these like this wouldn't
Speaker 2: be so scary to all these people, right, Like, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying.
Speaker 1: This would still be pretty scared. I think, I guess
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just trying to say, is that if it was,
Speaker 2: if it really was a level playing field, you know,
Speaker 2: this would just be normal fighting against it. But you're
Speaker 2: already putting it against people on there like down and outs.
Speaker 2: That's what's frustrating. I'm saying you're not going towards like
Speaker 2: you're not taxing people who are doing well. That's the
Speaker 2: misunderstanding here. These candies companies aren't just raking the money.
Speaker 2: Maybe I misspoke, but my point was to say they
Speaker 2: soon they're taking it from people doing well when you're not.
Speaker 2: You're taking people just struggling for their passions.
Speaker 1: If you got layoffs happening consistently here fighting so much shit, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind It's very sad actually, because you have
Speaker 1: an industry that's doing that, it can has great potential,
Speaker 1: and it is doing well. I mean, you brought it
Speaker 1: with over three billion, close to probably four billion last
Speaker 1: year in sales and it's just Michiganers love their weed.
Speaker 1: But like, why don't continue, You're gonna hurt it. You
Speaker 1: don't look what you're going to see. Cali, Ohio is
Speaker 1: going to get the same thing as us. People are
Speaker 1: gonna stop buying the money, and then people are going
Speaker 1: what happened to the cannabis industry. It's gonna be all
Speaker 1: the news, what happened to the cannabis industry.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like, well, that's just like you were
Speaker 2: talking about Cali earlier, bro, you push these taxes up,
Speaker 2: text up. People are just gonna go back to the
Speaker 2: legal market. And the reason why they're not afraid to
Speaker 2: go back to the legal market is because it's not
Speaker 2: fully like legal.
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot of us have came
Speaker 1: from the illegal market because a lot of that's how
Speaker 1: everyone had to do to get their cannabis. Besides, like five,
Speaker 1: within like eight years, people some people have been able
Speaker 1: to go inside stores by legal.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just you're yeah, I remember the list
Speaker 2: of days pretty clearly, so you're not like, no.
Speaker 1: Dude, I remember I've met up everywhere you can possibly
Speaker 1: name to pick up dime a twenty. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we've gone everywhere. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's just they just I increasing taxes. It's
Speaker 2: just not the way to make more money with this.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to make more money, expand more
Speaker 2: green zones in these areas that it could actually use
Speaker 2: a dispo where an industry could grow and that so
Speaker 2: you can make more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be interesting. And remember, like we
Speaker 1: said for Ohio, find the my cannon pros. There's a
Speaker 1: post you can you can copy and paste it and
Speaker 1: you can send it off to uh your lawmaker. And
Speaker 1: with that, you know, it's bringing more of a voice
Speaker 1: because we all need to We're doing it.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 1: You gotta do it if you especially if you're in
Speaker 1: the industry, because it's gonna hurt even if you're not
Speaker 1: in the industry and your consumer like that. Your prices
Speaker 1: are about to go up and a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't want it. There's still I mean Eggs. I was
Speaker 1: just at the store the other day, Eggs at All
Speaker 1: they were like six point fifty usually all these cheapest.
Speaker 1: Fuck couldn't believe it, man, Like shit's so high still,
Speaker 1: like no one wants to pay more and more for cannabis,
Speaker 1: especially because the lot just because the governor wants to
Speaker 1: do it so we can get better roads. But we've
Speaker 1: been hearing for years we're supposed to get better roads,
Speaker 1: better roads, better roads, better roads. We use ship product,
Speaker 1: I swear because no matter what road we have, brand
Speaker 1: new road as brand new asphalt road, there's cracks in
Speaker 1: it within a year. So it's like the it just
Speaker 1: mind blowing. If there's anything try, why don't you just
Speaker 1: increase the oil to the gas tax that we all
Speaker 1: have to pay already.
Speaker 2: Eat something well, exactly what you're saying, Eat something less
Speaker 2: niche where it affects everyone about the cams industries, You're
Speaker 2: only attacking some people, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: and unfortunately the thing is gas is something that we
Speaker 2: all use. Food is something we all use.
Speaker 1: But but why don't you get more with the oil
Speaker 1: with the gas tax?
Speaker 2: Like in my mind because right, but you're gonna have
Speaker 2: a lot more pushback. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like bull get her elected here. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's a bully thing. I feel like, hey, we're
Speaker 2: already squeezing this industry for some money. Let's squeeze it
Speaker 2: for some more. But think about it, these are This
Speaker 2: is coming from people who truly don't give a shit
Speaker 2: about the industry, So what do they They're not they're
Speaker 2: not worried about it surviving or people quitting, like they're
Speaker 2: just trying to make more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to quote. This is a quote from obvious.
Speaker 2: Yes that that that quote on them. I canna pros
Speaker 2: I misspoke earlier, but this is where I was supposed
Speaker 2: to say it. So go check out that or even
Speaker 2: just yourself. Reach out those stay representative because in any sense,
Speaker 2: when these things happen, all these increase in taxes, it's
Speaker 2: not like they can just write it. It has to
Speaker 2: then be pushed by the people or by the representatives, right,
Speaker 2: so that I.
Speaker 1: Believe, Yeah, well that's people get the vote on this.
Speaker 2: But I'm my point is that the people kind of
Speaker 2: a represented by the representatis. Oh yeah, absolutely sounded the
Speaker 2: people talking to the representatives.
Speaker 1: Here's a quote in the article from Robert Schneider, Robin Snyder,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ executive director, executive director Sandler.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me restart. It's a quote from
Speaker 1: Robin Schneider. I might apologize we intentionally kept a tax
Speaker 1: rate low enough to compete with the illicit market. She's
Speaker 1: referring to when they wrote the law back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: that we all voted in a wholeso at tax would
Speaker 1: backfire and lead to less tax revenue because consumers would
Speaker 1: go back to you like unregulated market where prices would
Speaker 1: be lower. Increasing the tax burner on the cannabis industry
Speaker 1: would absolutely devastate the regular regulated market. In her her
Speaker 1: organization represents more than four hundred members in the state
Speaker 1: of Michigan. She's huge with the mi CIA Michigan Cannabis
Speaker 1: Industry Association and with her come in come into the article.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows more l like that, like
Speaker 1: you're gonna be you're gonna be messing over a lot
Speaker 1: of families.
Speaker 2: And you're messing with things that you don't even fully understand.
Speaker 2: And like I think the one thing I would hope
Speaker 2: and like the one thing I would if Whimmer ever
Speaker 2: hears this what you want, but go talk to this industry.
Speaker 2: Go talk to these people in these industry. Don't go
Speaker 2: talk to your couple rich bodies who have a little
Speaker 2: bit have some money in the camp sentry who have
Speaker 2: like two you know, don't go talk to the owners
Speaker 2: of like the biggest corporate cannabis company out there and
Speaker 2: then be like, oh, we understand cannabis. No, you don't
Speaker 2: go talk to the people that represent your market. Listen,
Speaker 2: Google search it, you know. And that's the thing I
Speaker 2: feel like, to not see this information is truly just
Speaker 2: blankly ignoring it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think listening to the people would
Speaker 1: be huge, And I mean I hope they hear us
Speaker 1: because I know the.
Speaker 2: Or anyone who's like this mindset, because that's all you
Speaker 2: need to hear, and that's spread the word. Spread the word.
Speaker 2: That's why we do this podcast so everyone can hear
Speaker 2: and just keep talking about it, and keep talking about
Speaker 2: this that is not right, just because you see how
Speaker 2: much revenues in this industry that's not profit.
Speaker 1: You have a P and L. You know how much
Speaker 1: money us for licenses, just to have overhead, just to
Speaker 1: have product in a retail shop, just have lights in it. Grow,
Speaker 1: you're talking, you're talking news, you're talking sane and.
Speaker 2: At the level that you're talking to me, co Bro,
Speaker 2: it's insane.
Speaker 1: So it's like, stop, stop coming after the industry. That's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest industry here in Michigan and it's only
Speaker 1: been around for a handful of years, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably the top five top product that
Speaker 1: we probably produced in sales here in the state. You're
Speaker 1: not wrong, man, So overall, man, I'm ticked, yeah, ticked
Speaker 1: at hearing about this because it's like I like that ticked.
Speaker 2: I am No, I haven't said ticked in a while.
Speaker 2: I'm ticked off like that. I don't. I keep looking
Speaker 2: at the camera ticked. I'm just ticked.
Speaker 1: I like it ticked.
Speaker 2: I bringing back the word I say word a lot
Speaker 2: like I took from a buddy, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I like it ticked off. I'm mad too,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't well, it's frustrating because when we see
Speaker 2: this industry, we talk to these people all the time.
Speaker 1: We know how these companies don't have a marketing budget.
Speaker 2: That's why when we say please support our partners and
Speaker 2: stuff like, we truly mean please, because these are like
Speaker 2: people we believe in. These are people that are you know,
Speaker 2: believing in us, believing people in the community, not just
Speaker 2: throwing their money at the most expensive, the shiniest things.
Speaker 2: You know, they're like you know, shout out Lost Coast
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Speaker 2: But my whole point is when we ask you to
Speaker 2: support like it's truly a big thing. Or when you
Speaker 2: like a company who you like, like their morals, go
Speaker 2: support them. Support them if they have a bad run,
Speaker 2: like okay, man, don't just stop buying their product. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean if they have fifty bad ten bad runs,
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. But you might want to
Speaker 2: message them. But that's five five exactly. But that's fair.
Speaker 2: You gots truly in industry.
Speaker 1: You got some more those brands that you truly love
Speaker 1: and care about BECAU.
Speaker 2: Because it's not as easy as you think, like even
Speaker 2: for us, like it's hard. We just have can in
Speaker 2: our name. We don't sell ship shadow for everything you post, Well,
Speaker 2: that's not that's just that's not even I mean there's
Speaker 2: so much that goes along with that or getting shut down. Well,
Speaker 2: when you're trying to work with companies, we know how
Speaker 2: much struggle goes behind the scenes because we're talking them
Speaker 2: all the time about budgets and stuff, because we're trying
Speaker 2: to partner with certain people. And it's like the people
Speaker 2: who actually have the good morals are struggling because they're
Speaker 2: competing with the shitty people who can just buy fifty
Speaker 2: billboards and not give a ship like it's And that's
Speaker 2: a bad example. I'm just saying people who could throw
Speaker 2: a bunch of money at the marketing that wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: billboards work but sort of right, that's like marketing, and
Speaker 2: it's for that. It's fine, it might work. He's the
Speaker 2: marketing proto. You know, it's a wild world.
Speaker 1: We got we got, we got your target audience if
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: That's niche, niche stuff versus just throwing some money at things.
Speaker 2: And my point is that some of these companies who
Speaker 2: are just throwing money at things, they're not, you.
Speaker 1: Know, always you're just throwing money.
Speaker 2: God the morals in line with yours.
Speaker 1: No, and you gotta you'll find the brands that you
Speaker 1: you you represent that for you feel like you like
Speaker 1: their story, like their product, and you'll usually go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, industry, I just cannot imagine. Well, I know,
Speaker 2: but some of these brands, if you saw, like you said,
Speaker 2: that increase of tax with already how much struggles we
Speaker 2: hear about, I could see some companies just being like,
Speaker 2: I'm out, like because a lot of these people in
Speaker 2: this industry do this for the passion. Man, A lot
Speaker 2: of these people in this industry are very smart, educated
Speaker 2: people who come from different backgrounds to create this industry
Speaker 2: where it's like, I don't take people understand you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think people even understand that it's
Speaker 2: not just like where's weed and that's just that's how
Speaker 2: you make money so much.
Speaker 1: Ah, you don't get anything done. Typical bullshit is what
Speaker 1: a lot of people see from the outside about that
Speaker 1: there is tons of passion and that's what's striving and
Speaker 1: making Michigan such one of the best markets in the
Speaker 1: world is because the people and the backbones that it's
Speaker 1: built on. A lot of people. We came from the
Speaker 1: caregiver days when two thousand, niney ten we ran in
Speaker 1: the law nine thousand tens one starting to growing and
Speaker 1: you had people, everyone was trapping, everyone was trying to
Speaker 1: push the product bringing ways. Then you had dispos coming
Speaker 1: over and then you're talking about different strains like our
Speaker 1: Our people here in Michigan built this, built this whole
Speaker 1: industry to over three four billion doll industry. We beat
Speaker 1: California in sales. California's population is what double ours, insanely triple.
Speaker 1: Probably California is fucking huge compared to Michigan. And just
Speaker 1: to see what we're able to do in the state.
Speaker 1: The product that we have, the quality that we have,
Speaker 1: is amazing to me, Like we truly have a quality
Speaker 1: quality industry here that this would straight cripple it like
Speaker 1: you would. You would have people that put their blood, sweat, tears,
Speaker 1: every bounce of their bank account into this and then
Speaker 1: you crush them because you because you see the people who.
Speaker 2: Are really My issue is too I mean, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to anything. You're absolutely right. My whole
Speaker 2: thing is why I said supporting other companies people you
Speaker 2: support because this is the time to do so if
Speaker 2: it even already things are tough, Like I mean, you
Speaker 2: said that if something like this happened, you crippled industry
Speaker 2: because you'd kill all the companies who probably have the
Speaker 2: good morals there, like you know what, I mean, a
Speaker 2: lot of them, you know, because these are family run industries.
Speaker 2: You know, these aren't corporate companies. I mean some of them,
Speaker 2: you know, grew to be corporate size, but they're not
Speaker 2: corporate roots. And that's where you don't want to screw
Speaker 2: those people over, because it's just not Those are the
Speaker 2: backbone of this industry.
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