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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. This is

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episode three eighty five. My name is Adam Palmer. I

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am here with two other co hosts. We have Samuel

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and Lauren. I'll start with you, Lauren, how has your

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week been, what you've been doing, what you've been up to?

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Speaker 2: Week was good until the Magic played last night and

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broke my heart into a million pieces.

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Speaker 1: So you can't recover from that. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately. And

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then we have Samuel. I mean, Samuel, I think you're

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a Philly fans. We might be. We might be at

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odds this episode potentially.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it's it's been a good week for

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us Philly folks. You know, we got the Flyers winning

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over time. I was a little nervous that that last

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game because I was like, we cannot go back to

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Pittsburgh and play them on their home court. We got

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the Sixers forcing the game seven in Boston, so that's

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gonna be a fun one. My hope is that mb

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shows up again because you know, he had a good

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second game back then, had it almost had a triple double,

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so he's got to play unbelievable to beat Boston in Boston.

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That's a hard place to win that, and then we

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got these they they're they're trending in the right direction

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right now. You know, they fired their coach, hired miss

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was it mister baseball Don Mattey or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they want They almost they almost hired the

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Boston coach. They offered him the job. He was like, no,

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I think I'm good. It's like, yeah, I mean, core,

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that's not not it's kind of the opposite. I mean,

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unfortunately with Boston, we've been kind of spoiled with riches

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a little bit the past few seasons. But you know,

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Boston kind of looks like they're collapsing a little bit.

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In the NBA playoffs. The brule. They're just horrible. I

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couldn't name three players on that team. So I'm kind

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of glad they're out of the playoffs. I don't have

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to worry about it. Red Sox fire their manager. It's

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just not not great.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what happens when you live and die

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off that three pointer. I don't care how what the

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analytics say. Is still a low percentage shot. But you know,

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you know, it's fun and I'm just enjoying being a principal.

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You know, that's my day job. You know, I'm excited

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for the summer because I have a lot of cool

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things coming up a wrap my cards. So I'm looking

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forward to the National, you know, the couple of weeks

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before the National, because I'm going to be in Chicago

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doing some cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you've got some cool stuff

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around the National. We're gonna be touching on that, like

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probably a couple of couple of topics from now, but

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we're gonna start with kind of the breaking news from

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the past twenty four hours. We're still waiting on a

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little bit of info, so I don't know how much

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of this topic we're really going to cover, to be honest,

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but apparently game Stop is going to try to buy

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eBay or there's gonna they're preparing some sort of offer.

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I mean, I think that this is a story we've

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heard before. I think when somebody somebody commented on some posts,

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I saw that game Stop was also going to try

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and buy collectors like last year. So there isn't much

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info about this. I mean, I don't know if this

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is like led by the power packs that they just

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came out with. I don't even know how Game Stop

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has all this. I don't know how they have this money.

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That's just one thing that I'll say right off the bat.

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You know, Samuel all start with you. What were I

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don't know, what were your thoughts when you saw that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I don't understand how they have

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the capital to do it. I'm just thinking back to

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the days when their stock went down and everybody jumped

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in to buy the stock, and then somehow when the

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money world was figuring out what people were doing and

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it was making money off Game Stop stock, and it's

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just like they came back from the dead. And I

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don't know, it's strange to me that they are shifting

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their like business practices from like gaming to like carve

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out their space and a hobby. And I don't think

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they had the best opening run, especially with all the

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things that have gone on with grading, And for me

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as a collector, I'm just going to stay far away

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from it and continue every once in a while to

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like listen to what the you know, the chat box

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say and the news headlines say. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Lauren, how about you, what were your comm

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initial thoughts when this news hit?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, and real quick, my internet's been kind of weird,

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so if I cut out or something, I apologize, But yeah,

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I agree with Samuel's it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I think game Stuff is just such.

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Speaker 2: A weird company in the twenty first century because yeah,

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like they were part of that whole, you know, Wall

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Street thing, and it's a very odd It's like, I

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don't know, it's like bros running the company and it's

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very weird. So I feel like they might have just

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like pitched the story to the Wall Street Journal, like hey,

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let's get our names back out there. I don't know,

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but yeah, I mean because it does. Like the knee

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jerk reaction is how absurd GameStop is, like trying to

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pitch buying eBay, Like you get somebody who was in

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a tenure coma about that, Like it's ridiculous, and like,

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I don't, I don't know. You know, again, it's the

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business side and it's the financial side, So like, am

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I very invested in this, No, but like it's just

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it's just kind of absurd.

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't from the Wall Street Journal, I think

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we probably wouldn't discuss it. But that gives it some

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legitacity and I think again.

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Speaker 2: They knew what they were doing by you know, to

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the Wall Street Journal over you know, a news source.

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So I don't know. It's again the bro culture is

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it's like with the logan Paul Pokemon card sale to

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uh what's his name? Like it's like not real, it's

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not real numbers, it's not real. Like it's just unreal

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to me. So like I don't know, I'm sorry, I

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don't have better inside.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like sounds like clickbait to me, and like they're

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trying to It's like the ex girlfriend or the ex

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boyfriend trying to stay relevant and everybody's like yeah, and

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it's just like like yo, what are you doing? Like

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we moved on, like just like let it be, you

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know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Right right?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's strange. I don't even go to games

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stop to buy games. It's like I'm not going to

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go there to buy cards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly. I mean I almost wonder if this

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is going to be. You know, there was that weird

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story probably like I don't know, it must have been

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like six months ago and I was almost said the

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other number, But there was the story where fanatics or

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it was Panini was going to sell to tops, but

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it was referencing an article from twenty twenty two, where

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like it was just for some reason, someone wrote a

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new article about a quote from twenty twenty two, and

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everybody kind of ran with it. Obviously, it's the Wall

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Street Journal, so it's a little bit different here. But

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I just don't really know why, Like I gut, you know,

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everything is kind of just it seems like every business

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is trying to be everything all at once nowadays, Like GameStop,

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it used to just be you know, you go there

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and they give you fifty cents for the game that

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you just paid sixty bucks for last year, and now

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they're now somehow they have you know what, however much

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you would even need. I don't even understand, Like I

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don't like the amount of revenue that eBay does. I

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don't understand why they would even sell I don't know.

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Just the story, like both of you pointed out, it

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just doesn't really make a lot of sense of why

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even this could happen, or how this could happen, or

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how game stop has the capital. I don't really know.

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And it's like I said, what kind of touch we

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just touched on a little bit. There's probably gonna be

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more stuff hopefully that comes out that'll give us a

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little bit more info. I want to give a shout

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out to everybody in the chat as well. We got yeah,

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we got some of the some of the regulars in here,

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MATD City Brew, Confluence, foul Ball. Peter said, good morning

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High from Tucson. Yeah, everybody, if you are in the

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chat right now, make sure you drop where you are

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actually watching the show from. I always get a kick

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out of seeing, you know, people watching all over the country,

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and you know, sometimes you get people overseas watching it.

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So if you're overseas, make sure you drop drop the location.

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Speaker 3: We got some debates going on too, between file Ball

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and stell gumb So.

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Speaker 1: Mmm, yeah, wow, I can't I can't believe that. Yeah,

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game Stop doesn't have the money, and then someone yes,

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it's back to back GameStop doesn't have the money. Then

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game Stop does have the money. I don't you know. Again,

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business nowadays it's like moving around money from different departments.

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It just seems like I have no idea how business

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is run nowadays. So it's like, I don't know. We'll

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see if there's anything that ends up coming out of

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this story. The I think.

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Speaker 3: I think Able in Vegas makes it if I'm saying

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his name right, makes a good point in what ways

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can game stop? Yeah, I think that's a great question.

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I don't see it. I mean, yeah, I just don't.

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trying to figure out who they want to be in

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the twenty first century. Do we want to sell games?

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Speaker 1: Was like, I don't know, just yeah, I mean, like law,

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it might have just been might have just been a

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couple of bros, just like sitting around a table drinking

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a couple of beers going, you know, would be hilarious

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if we bought gay, if we bought eBay, that would

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be so funny. And then there just happened to be

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a Wall Street reporter journalist that was also sitting at

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table or sitting next to him. Is like, you guys

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want to do what It's like? Let me all write

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a story about that. Like yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Plausible, which is scary, but it's plausible right right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Especially I mean nowadays, like I said, business is

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so weird nowadays, it's just like who who knows how

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this story even comes about? Like does does Game stop

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reaching out to the Wall Street journal? Is is it

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a Wall Street Journal artist or the journalists just overhearing

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a conversation? Who really knows? And yeah, I mean I

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think Able's question of how they can improve eBay is like,

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you know, there was the outage that they had like

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last week for a couple of days, and eBay hasn't

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really made any statement about that yet. I don't know

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exactly what happened, or I mean, I guess we don't

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know because eBay hasn't said anything. And I mean it

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didn't really affect me necessarily. I don't know, did the

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Were you guys trying to buy cards last week and

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you were affected by the eBay outage? Or I don't know,

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did that.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been on in a couple I haven't been

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on in a couple of weeks, so I wouldn't have

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noticed anything. Now, how about too, Lauren?

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Speaker 4: Yeah I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have not bought anything in probably about

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two weeks. But you know, I I look every other night,

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you know, just kind of scour my watch list and stuff,

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and Brian's on eBay all the time. He didn't tell me,

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so I don't know, Like The first I heard of

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I'm sure it was you know, somebody was greatly impacted.

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eBay's pretty like I think, you know, obviously there's like,

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you know, anomalies and stuff, but EBA has been a

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pretty consistent partner to the.

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Speaker 4: Hobby for anybody at any level.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know that GameStop could, especially if

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like eBay is having issues. You know, even though they

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it's out there. eBay's been pretty consistent, So like, if

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they're having issues, why would we trust GameStop to be

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Speaker 4: Because how many.

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Speaker 2: These companies get bought up and then they wipe out,

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thing you love. So yeah, I think that was a

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really great question. And I mean, I'm I'm being skeptical,

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and I think that that's fair. I think it's fair

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that we're all skeptical, but like it just it's just

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seems unpleasant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Sutherland Cards makes another great point.

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eBay is an online seller game stop as a storefront.

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I can't go to GameStop and buy a nineteen eighty

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three Death Leopard can set, but I can go to

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eBay and buy it. And I just think, I don't know,

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it doesn't seem plausible to me that GameStop is ready

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to take on everything that eBay has to offer, because

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it's not just collectibles that drives eBay. They sell everything

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under the sun, you know. And even if GameStop did

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have the capital, I don't think they're going to use

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their own capital to buy eBay. They're going to try

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to raise money because if they use their own money

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and then it blows up in their face, what do

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they got to fall back on? So I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think eBay luckily has made changes

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to their site catering towards sports cards in ways like

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there have been things added. You know, they do the

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integration with PSA where you can see the certain grades

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of cards that are in listings or stuff like that.

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there are things I wish they would improve. I wish

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they would improve I don't know some of the shield

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bidding that goes on some of the you know, just

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listings like they or they made the change recently where

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the winning bidders can't cancel their bid after they've won

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the auction, which I didn't even realize that was a thing. Like,

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I think it's more just, you know, they don't want people,

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you know, messaging the sellers be like, hey, my dog

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clicked on the button and that's how I won the oction.

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I think that's sort of what they're trying to avoid,

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which is, you know, a pretty typical story nowadays with

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dogs trying to buy cards on eBay. But yeah, I

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think if if there was, I mean again, I don't

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really like this is maybe I don't know, ranting a

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little bit, but with eBay, I don't like how they

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have you can't see like the best offer prices on things.

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to do. But I don't think game Stop comes in

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and says, oh, that's what we're doing, Like that's that's

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not what game stop is going to do. Game Stop

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is trying to buy eBay. So that way, I think

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someone even put it put it in there, put it

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in a chat message here, just so that they can

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add to their portfolio of stuff that they have. I mean,

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model pretty significantly, you know, with the power packs doing

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a repack. And again, if they were to buy eBay,

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that would be a big way for them to add

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some inventory. That's kind of yeah.

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collectiblest part. I don't see how that benefits eBay just

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to sell off a portion there. Essentially their their revenue that.

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Speaker 1: Comes in right right right, Yeah, So, I mean hopefully

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I guess that hopefully there'll be some more info on this.

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Maybe it'll just be a story that was a one

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time thing and we won't hear anything about it. Maybe

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GameStop is monitoring comments and they're gonna see that everyone

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doesn't want them to buy them, and they're gonna be like, okay,

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you know, guys, sorry, just kidding. Uh, we're not doing

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that anymore. They doubled down, yeah right right yeah, or

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they say actually now we're gonna pay more for now

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we're gonna pay more free. Uh yeah, I don't know

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it's gonna be you know, it's always an interesting, you know,

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Friday afternoon news dump. Here sometimes in the industry right

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before the show, is I guess not a bad thing

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because you know, it gives us an extra topic, but

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uh the I mean.

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Speaker 3: I do I do have I do have one question though,

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because like I have, I have a PlayStation. I have

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a Nintendo So like I'm like generation one of like gamers,

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Like I grew up playing Nintendo Innatari. So my thought is, like,

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is this also this the idea of the sell? Is

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it happening? Because like Gameshop feel as though like no

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one isn't buying games anymore or playing video games, Like

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what does that market look like? And is it still thriving?

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Like I mean, even as a principal, I think about

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like my students, like, yeah, there's a hand up handful

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of them that's still playing Fortnite. But I remember what

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Fortnite was at the forefront of everybody's mind. I don't

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hear much talking about it anymore in school circles, you know,

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after the popular turn six seven. But you know, I

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don't know, maybe maybe that's why they're trying to diversify

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their portfolio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm in a similar boat

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to you, Samuel. I mean, I still you know, I

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still buy physical games because I like having the cases.

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I don't know, so yeah, but I think that you know,

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with with you know, Microsoft, for example, they have a

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thing called game Pass where you could just download any

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game you want for thirty dollars a month and there's

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no physical version. So it's like and I don't know

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if and I know that, you know, systems nowadays are

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pretty large in terms of how how much storage they have, so.

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Speaker 3: The that's what I do PlayStation.

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Speaker 1: Right right exactly, Yeah, And I mean that's other other

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than like Call of Duty and Matt and I think

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I buy those every year other than those two games,

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any games I'm buying or just digital, so you know,

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maybe that is what. Yeah, maybe they're looking at the

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the passing by of you know, the physical games and

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they're like, Okay, we got to figure out something else

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to do. That's maybe potentially what they're what they're looking at.

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I guess, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And even in my existence, I'm just thinking about like

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all the games that I've bought from like high school

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and middle school, Like it's always been from like Target,

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Sam's Club or like Walmart. I like I never walk

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into a game stop and say, like I I want

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to buy this game, you know what I mean? Like

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I've gone to a retro gaming store before, I've gone

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to game Stop, you know what I mean? So like yeah, right,

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not kind of game Stop, but I haven't been a

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consumer of that store at.

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Speaker 1: All, right, right are yeah? Any? So okay, so we're

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gonna switch switch switch topics here a little bit. So

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any any other last minute thoughts before we move on

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to some more card related stuff.

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Speaker 3: Cool, good morning, We're on the big screen at the shop.

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Have fun.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Thank you, thank you, uh, thank you sports

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card shops. Shout out to them. They you know, they

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always give us a shout out there and put us

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on the screen and really appreciate that. So, you know,

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a topic that I think a lot of people probably

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saw coming. I would say, you know, there was the

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there was a post that right when this product first

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came out, like the Blue the Blue Josh Allen was

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selling for the same as his blue Rookie autograph from Prism.

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And you know, anytime there's a new product that comes out,

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most people know that the the or most people in

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the I guess most people know. I don't know if

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people still are buying these cards. So maybe people don't

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know this, uh, but people are buying. The prices have

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gone down pretty significantly on a lot of cards, on

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a lot of the like inserts, like I saw one

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of the Kaiju Jayde Daniels sold for thirteen when it

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first came out. Now it's down to around three. Obviously,

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this Josh Allen has kind of dropped from seventy five

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hundred to eleven hundred. I don't know, you know, Samuel,

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start with you, what are kind of your thoughts on

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just some of the dropping of pricing here, you know,

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with top chrome football.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm writing a curriculum on cards right now,

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and a lot my first the first part of my

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curriculum has a lot to do with like the card market,

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like the historical context of it, the tools and the analytics,

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like all those things that have created the market that

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we see today, this like digital market that we follow

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from like thirty years forty years ago. Just looking at

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like back at books and all those different books to

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look at the index prices, and for the life of me,

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I just don't understand how modern cards just when they

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are out, they just have like these high end prices

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and then you know when that boom happens for those

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cards and then the market stabilize itself. It's just like

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and as a collector myself, I just I just don't

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see how some of these cards are work can be

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worth more than like ventis cards of like players who

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have proven themselves. And I don't know. It's just it's

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just strange to me how the market be marketing sometimes.

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And it's just like it's on one hand, like you

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ask yourself, it's this sustainable, sustainable, and then the other

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hand is like, damn, so many people is like holding

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the bag right now, and you think about like I

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think about like socially and emotion and psychology and like

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the world that we're living in now with everything that's

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happening from around, like gas prices everything, and it's just like, oh,

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I bought this card as an investment, and the hope

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is that the seventy five hundred dollars price should like

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to two exitself or three exitself, and then a week

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later I lose almost six thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, it's

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it's it's crazy, man. And I just think people need

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to be more informed and more aware and like, don't

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get caught up with fomo and just like, take your

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time when buying these modern cards, because the veritables are

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different compared to when I collected. You know, as a kid,

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when I collected, we looked at the stats on the

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back of your card, We look at we looked at

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your popularity, and not necessary if you got hurt, it

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had an impact on your prices, and we wasn't even

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like thinking about cards in that in that sense. But

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now with all these just different veritables and pieces of

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data that are driving an individual players card market, whether

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they won an MVP or whether they made an All

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league team, or if they got hurt, they had a

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bad season, they got cut, they got waved. It's crazy times,

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and I just think people need to be more aware

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in the form when investing their money or credit into

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these modern cards.

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Speaker 1: Right right? I agree? And Lauren have a How about you?

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What are your I don't know what are your thoughts

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on just the overall market for topscron football or maybe

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this specific price, I mean, just just in general. I suppose.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been trying.

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Speaker 2: And I was listening to Samuel too, what Chris, I like,

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I was listening to Samuel and also thinking like it's

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I don't know, there's so many moving parts and I'm

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like overthinking it at this point because I'm like, I

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hope the person that sold it for seventy five hundred

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that got them out of a tough spot or like

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paid for their kids to go on a field trip

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or something.

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Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just so weird, I mean, and and this is

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the pattern with new product. The FOMO is a huge

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driver of you know, the high prices and it will

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it ever reach the seventy five hundred number again, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 4: And you know, maybe this is just.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, I'm sure there's a broad sample of

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cards that like this went through, but overall majority hopefully

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this is not like the trend they're selling for crazy

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numbers that are just like unbelievable. Like I don't know,

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it's just like it's very overwhelming to me to think

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about like that, that eighty five percent drop is just

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very it's just overwhelming to me, Like I just can't

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really process it because I don't know, I don't know,

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like it just I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't

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have better insight.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's good.

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Speaker 4: That number is just I'm staring at it and I

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can't comprehend it. It's just like not computing for me.

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Speaker 3: In this moment, because what a drop like that? Would

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a drop like that? Essentially, the person who got this car,

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you are hoping that Josh Allen somehow wins goes on

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this magical one run when two Super Bowls and now

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you can sell that car for ten thousand dollars or

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fifteen thousand dollars. But the likelihood of that happening unless yeah,

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I mean, the NFL just rigs itself and say, you know,

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we got to get Josh Allen one because he's the

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face of the league. I you know, I don't ever

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see that card going up like that. And just think

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about I was looking at an Instagram post of like

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00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,880
just all these top basketball cards that people invested in

475
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,680
in the hype of the boom, you know, from the

476
00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,319
Bobos of the world and Patrick Williams of the world,

477
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,960
and what those cards are worth today and what a

478
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,519
person paid for with the hopes of like this, this

479
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,119
player is going to be an All Star, which I

480
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,640
think Bobo should be in the NBA. But I'm not

481
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,039
going to jump on that hill right now. But you

482
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,920
left holding the bag and now you got this card

483
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,880
that was you paid fifteen thousand dollars for it is

484
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,880
now worth two hundred and twenty five dollars. Like, how

485
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920
do you even sell that? You know what I mean?

486
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,279
So you might as well just you might as well

487
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,640
just hold on to it and it becomes a placeholder, and

488
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,799
you know it's I just tell people, be careful, man,

489
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,160
be careful, especially now. Like when we look at the

490
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,319
market modern cards, they have this rush for like two

491
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,440
to three weeks, but no one pays attention to the

492
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,720
fact that nineties cards are still driving the market. Adventures

493
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,440
cards are still driving the market, and like these are

494
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,319
cards that are never been made before, but everybody's waiting

495
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,759
for this new release with the hope of like, I

496
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,759
need to get in in this moment because if I don't,

497
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:21,200
and I think that's what that's what's going to kill

498
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,319
a hobby on the back end, And you have a

499
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,279
lot of people leaving because they got in it for

500
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,359
all the wrong reasons, as opposed to thinking about I'm

501
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,039
collecting because I love this player, I enjoy watching him

502
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,559
or her, and I have some memories. You know that

503
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:40,559
makes me want to buy this card as opposed to

504
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,319
like I'm buying this card with the hopes that it's

505
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,079
a long term investment. Well not an eighty five percent,

506
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,680
not of a eighty five percent decrease.

507
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: Right yeah, And I mean that eighty five percent decrease.

508
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,559
I don't know if it's worse in context or out

509
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,359
of context. Like out of context obviously the eighty five

510
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,640
percent is like it's like, holy crap, you got to

511
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,400
take a step back and be like, what have I done?

512
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,880
Like that? Which again, like someone's spending seventy five hundred

513
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920
on that, Like you know, I think that the sports

514
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,440
card industry has become so it's become so large that

515
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,279
it's like maybe somebody bought that for seventy five hundred

516
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,440
for and because they knew it was going to go down.

517
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,079
They're doing it for a tax right off. It's like

518
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,240
it's it's sort of an interesting concept that I don't

519
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,680
think is unreasonable, like but at the same time, like

520
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,480
in context, we know and again I have been screaming

521
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,079
this from the mountaintops for every time there's a new release,

522
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,440
the product goes down in price every single time. For

523
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,839
I mean, just in this example, you could have bought

524
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,240
you could have bought seven of these cards for the

525
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,799
same price as you bought one. And it's like and

526
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,319
then again in context, it's like, the seventy five hundred

527
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,200
is the exact same price as the Rookie Prism autograph,

528
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,200
which there's only ninety nine of. I believe these ones

529
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,000
there's one hundred and fifty made, so you know, yeah,

530
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,680
I mean since.

531
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: It's out of one fifty. Yes, it's on card, but

532
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,400
like it's a it's a blue how To one, it's

533
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,200
it's I don't know.

534
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,039
Speaker 4: I don't know.

535
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: You could have took that money. You could have took

536
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,960
that money and bought several vintage cards who are going

537
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:13,640
to keep their appreciation run to continue to go up,

538
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,359
and you could have reaped a profit from that sometime

539
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,880
down the line. And you know, as someone who goes

540
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,359
to a lot of card shows, from small shows, large

541
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920
regional shows, and almost grand shows that we see all

542
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,039
across the country, I often walk the floor and I'm

543
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,759
just like collecting data. I'm looking at prices I'm looking

544
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,319
at and I often wonder, I'm like, sir, there's no

545
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,759
one walking around here with that type of money. That's

546
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,920
gonna buy that card from you, and you just like

547
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,039
it's just like sitting there and you might find somebody

548
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,319
that says, I'm gonna spend this money for that card.

549
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,200
But oftentimes I wonder, like sometimes going to shows where

550
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,680
you see the same vendors, they're holding on to the

551
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,880
same cards with the hope that somebody will buy this

552
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:03,880
eighty five hundred Josh Allen that I know has decreased,

553
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,839
you know, seventy five to eighty.

554
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Five, right, And I mean, I guess I hope that.

555
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,519
I mean, I guess I hope that this wasn't in

556
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,519
now granted a seventy five hundred dollars card to buy

557
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,160
for your first card. Is that's that would be insane.

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,759
I don't think I've spent I don't know if I've

559
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,240
spent seventy five hundred dollars on anything in my life

560
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,720
but maybe my master's degree. But that's like that's neither

561
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,400
here nor I'm still paying that off. But you know,

562
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240
you hope that it's not somebody who this is their

563
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,920
first card purchase, and like in literally two weeks it

564
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,839
goes down eighty five percent. Like I just I just

565
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,519
worry that and you know this is the case I

566
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,680
think for a lot of the cards, not even just

567
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,440
just Josh Allen. I think this is the case for

568
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,200
any of the Jackson Darts or any of the you know,

569
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,200
shud or Sanders or any of the players that are

570
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,160
coming out of this product. Any you know, the case

571
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,279
Hits for example, they're doing that as well. I just

572
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,960
hope that people it just doesn't make any sense to me,

573
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,519
Like this is just the one thing that I I

574
00:27:57,559 --> 00:27:59,599
pull my hair out at times because I look at

575
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:01,720
the cards and I say, why don't why are people

576
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,799
so impatient that they would be willing to spend, you

577
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,480
know whatever, one hundred and twenty dollars when the Jackson

578
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,519
Dart for one hundred and twenty dollars for a Jackson

579
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:13,599
Duard based tops Chrome card, when literally that card is

580
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,440
probably gonna be a five to ten dollars card. If

581
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,839
that if you look at his Prism card, that's you know,

582
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,559
I think it's like a three or four dollars card.

583
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:21,160
So like that's what the price is going to get to.

584
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,039
Like we have the data to tell people that's what

585
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,599
this price is going to get to. And you know,

586
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,599
it just reminds me like way back in that. I'm

587
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,960
not sure if you guys remember this, but there was

588
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,359
an app called Clubhouse, Yeah, where it was like I

589
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,000
forget that. I don't even know how to described. It

590
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,799
was like it was a live room where people were

591
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,880
that room yeah, yeah, right, a live voice chat room

592
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,039
like discord kind of actually now that I'm thinking about it,

593
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,200
but I remember someone being in there and they were like, yeah,

594
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,000
I bought three Lamello ball Don Russ cards for one

595
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,079
hundred dollars apiece, and they're like, yeah, these shit. In

596
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,839
my head, I'm like, oh my, Like I couldn't. I was.

597
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,640
I was mind blown. I couldn't believe it. The product

598
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,400
had just come out, and I'm like these are going

599
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,839
to be a dollar Like this is insane, Like I couldn't.

600
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: That's likes Rookie car you know from right Top cards.

601
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, dollars, but it's it was. It blew my mind unfortunately,

602
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Like I I've I felt bad for the person because

603
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,680
I'm like, those cards are going to be a dollar

604
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,480
in like a couple of months, like if not a

605
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,440
couple of weeks. Like so, you know, I and Samuel

606
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,759
we were talking before the show more about you know,

607
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:34,200
the collecting aspect of these cards and trying to you know,

608
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:39,079
get more collecting back into the industry versus like in

609
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,240
this scenario, you know, someone buying this, like you said,

610
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440
for seventy five hundred, you know they're hoping it goes

611
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,839
to ten K. I guess in theory, like I I

612
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,599
don't know how anybody would think that, but I guess

613
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,200
maybe some people do. But it's like, you know, the

614
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,759
Tops Chrome for example, like they've done a lot with

615
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,119
it and it's been great, but like do you feel

616
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440
like the Tops Tops Chrome release has do you think

617
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,519
that they've added more to the collecting side of the

618
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,519
industry or do you think it's more of this like

619
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,480
transactional side potentially that you know we're seeing with a

620
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,359
lot of these sales.

621
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,039
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, from my personal opinion, the hobby

622
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,480
is very trum, especially when it comes to these releases,

623
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,519
and you know what you have to do to be

624
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,160
a part of the fanatics under the Fanatics umbrella. You know,

625
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
in terms of many of the card stores that I

626
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:28,039
talk to, owners that I talked to in the stores

627
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,960
that I go to, and you know, I think we

628
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,720
need to figure out how to remove ourselves from this

629
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,680
move away from this transactional nature, because essentially it's going

630
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,799
to hurt a lot of new people coming into the hobby,

631
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,640
and it's going to cut out a lot of kids

632
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:50,160
that's collected in the hobby because you know, as as

633
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,759
a vendor or anybody selling this card or that card,

634
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,400
that example on eBay, you see that like, oh I

635
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,640
just made seventy five hundred dollars, But the person holding

636
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,240
the bad is like, how do you circle back to

637
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,599
that person? What's that conversation look like? You know, are

638
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,319
you just thriving off the fact that oh I made

639
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,839
this one time? Come up and it's like, now there's

640
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
no residual, there's no circle back, there's no you know,

641
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,079
I don't know. It's just I just think as people

642
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,319
who produce content and talk about the space and live

643
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
in the space outside of what we do professionally, I

644
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440
think we also need to do a better job of

645
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,400
making sure the nostalgia and the storytelling of the hobby

646
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,640
stays at the forefront. Yes, it's good that people are

647
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,359
making money in the hobby and they're able to change

648
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,359
their lives, but I would say it's changing your life

649
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920
at the spence at the expense of someone else's demids

650
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,160
because they woke up the next morning realizing the card

651
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,599
that they bought is now worth pennies. I don't. For me,

652
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,799
it's not worth it. It's just not worth it because now,

653
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,240
and that's a damaged relationship. That's a person who who

654
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,640
you know, doesn't ness And like again, at the end

655
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,160
of the day, we all got to be adults and

656
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,759
responsible for our money. But we can't center this this

657
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480
thing that we do around community and our practices and

658
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,839
applications that we all contribute isn't community based and those

659
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,240
actions aren't community centered. And I just think we need

660
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,039
to do a better job of supporting each other because

661
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,319
I've seen some vendors be like, nah, don't buy this

662
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,839
card right now, you know what I mean? And you know,

663
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:30,960
I think we need more of that, and I think

664
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,039
those stories need to be brought to the forefront a

665
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,200
little bit more. And we just need to make more

666
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,279
spaces where like we're sharing and we're giving back to

667
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,319
each other as opposed to I need to come up

668
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,079
fast with this monetary value. And that's why I like

669
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,759
I give cards away, and I've given many cards away

670
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,079
from our collection to people that are told don't tell nobody.

671
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,319
I gave it to you. It's my gift to you,

672
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,640
and I don't need anyone to I don't need you

673
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,119
to tell people that I gave you this, but I'm

674
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
giving it to you for red So I think we

675
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,200
need more of that. So that way, the community aspect

676
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640
is what's driving this and the things that we look

677
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:19,160
forward to, and not the hysteria or the anxiety of like, damn,

678
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,759
I just made this purchase and is it gonna blow

679
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,119
up in my face? Or when it does blow up

680
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,319
in your face, that's another person not in the hobby, you.

681
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Know, right exactly. I mean, maybe it's just.

682
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: Buying the sky for me, and maybe I'm an optimist,

683
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,400
or you know, that's just the educator and me wanting

684
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,880
to care about people and their long term health and

685
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,799
as it relates to the collectible.

686
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,519
Speaker 1: Space, right yeah. And I mean I think one of

687
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,759
the things that I on TikTok is recently I've been

688
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,559
trying to point out specific cards you can buy rather

689
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,640
than buying a box of the Tops chrome product, because

690
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,160
you know, I think that the price that Top sold

691
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,759
the four three point fifty is still high. Obviously, that's

692
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:03,359
still a lot of money for a lot of people

693
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,559
a lot of money. But you know, I go, I obviously,

694
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,039
being on TikTok, I see people are selling these boxes

695
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,519
for twelve hundred dollars, and I mean now they've gotten

696
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,880
to down to around eight fifty, so I still think

697
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,440
that's high. But I still think that there are And

698
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,039
I made a video the other day that I said,

699
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,320
I personally would rather buy because in top Scrome Football,

700
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,440
you get eighty box, you get eighty cards. There's twenty

701
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,639
packs and there's four cards were packed, which that's also

702
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,039
insane that there's not that there's only that many cards

703
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,440
in the box. That's neither here nor there. But I

704
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,920
would rather buy eighty ten dollars cards on eBay than

705
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440
buy a box of this because the chances is, you know,

706
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,480
you might pull one card that end up you can

707
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,599
make your money back for the box. But the chance

708
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,039
is that every card in that box is ten dollars

709
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,559
is zero to none, Like there's not a chance you're

710
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,320
gonna be able to sell all those cards for ten.

711
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,599
So you know, I would say buying. And it's also

712
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,199
just seems like it's more fun to me. I mean

713
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,519
that's just you know, the search, the and maybe that's

714
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,400
another thing that like you were talking about Samuel with

715
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,119
like collecting, it's like for me, I enjoy the I

716
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,880
enjoy the hunt for the cards. Like it's not it's.

717
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: Those foundational principles in practice and we need to get

718
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,440
back to right exactly.

719
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: And I think the other part of it, and Lauren,

720
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,360
I'll let you jump in here in a second, But

721
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400
the other part of it that I've been trying to

722
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,639
kind of figure out exactly how to make videos more

723
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,920
videos about it's like if you're buying cards, you should

724
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,280
be buying slowly but then selling fast. You know, if

725
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,960
you buy a card, like hypothetically, if you're buying cards

726
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960
to that that you do want to sell, spend a

727
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,440
lot more time figuring out which cards and identifying which cards,

728
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,800
and then that way, when it does go up in value,

729
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,880
you can sell that and then reinvest that into other opportunities.

730
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,599
But you shouldn't be going all in on one card.

731
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,599
You shouldn't be spending all your money on one card.

732
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,400
You shouldn't be seeing somebody made a video about these

733
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,440
are the top five people to invest in and then

734
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,960
buying them. Because the other thing, too is like as

735
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,320
soon as somebody's making that video. It's probably already too

736
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,599
late for that player's market. It's it's it's a combination

737
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,079
of those types of things. And you know, Lauren, I'll

738
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,960
kick it over to you here. Just from a you know,

739
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,920
collecting standpoint, what have been your thoughts as you've been

740
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,559
seeing stuff with topic football and maybe just you know

741
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,480
where we're shifting sometimes in the hobby when it comes

742
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,840
to the you know, the collecting aspect of it.

743
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:21,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I agree with both of you. I

744
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Kayla Kayla collects. She had a quote and I don't

745
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,920
remember where it was recent but I don't remember if

746
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,719
she wrote it or said it or post I'm not

747
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,039
sure where, but I wrote on a post it because

748
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,800
it just like it really like, I was like, I

749
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,079
need to remember this. And the accomplishment isn't in the result,

750
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,440
it's in the happening. That's kind of how I feel

751
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,199
about collecting. Like you guys said, it's the community aspect,

752
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:48,320
it's the.

753
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 4: Pursuit, it's the.

754
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,119
Speaker 2: You know, it's the it's the comprehension aspect of Okay,

755
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,239
is this card worth this?

756
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,039
Speaker 4: Could I pursue something else?

757
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: I want? More like, do I get this one versus two?

758
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Of whatever, and and also thinking about how you collect

759
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:08,559
Are you collecting a set, are using a rainbow? Are

760
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,559
you collecting this big player at like whatever capacity. That's

761
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,199
that I feel like for the three of us at least,

762
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,360
that's what our journey is is, you know, kind of

763
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,440
finding the balance and like Samuel said, you know, connecting

764
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,400
with people and offering up cards and and and having

765
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,320
stories and collecting this experience. And Samuel's one of the

766
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,840
best at documenting that experience, which is one of my

767
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,400
favorite things about the hobby is his stories and his

768
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,679
like how he digests and then you know, expresses to

769
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,480
us to experience it through him, like you know, in

770
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,320
his community, in his shows with you know, certain collectors

771
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,159
of different ages and ranges. And it's that's where the

772
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,679
value lies for me personally. I'm not trying to get

773
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,199
like all philosophical and deep about it, but like I

774
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,239
think that's why these number, those number about a out

775
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,719
of one fifty Blue Shashalent unlicensed. Like, I think that's

776
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,599
why it was overwhelming me because I can't comprehend the

777
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,360
context of that. I can't comprehend the story of that.

778
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,800
How do I explain to people like how this came

779
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,239
to be, and like, you know, and also I couldn't

780
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,480
if I was trying to explain to somebody the beauty

781
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:23,599
of this hobby and the community and the experiences and

782
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,480
the value I see in that aspect. I'm not going

783
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:31,039
to tell my parents or my brother, my friends or whatever. Yeah,

784
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,679
here's this crazy story about how this car dropped eighty

785
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,119
five percent in like two weeks ago.

786
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 4: That's a bummer. It's a very huge brummer.

787
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: And you know, so it's like, I don't know, I

788
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,719
mean it in the in the fabric of the entire hobby.

789
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,960
It's it's a small aspect, and like in that what

790
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,519
I would share, you know what I mean. But if

791
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,079
you're trying to warn people who are getting into it

792
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,320
and are trying to process it or kids, you know,

793
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
who are you know making a big purchased with seventy

794
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,039
five hundred dollars for your kid, that's crazy.

795
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: But it happens.

796
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,199
Speaker 2: And you know, I just again not to be Kumaya,

797
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,760
but like the value for me is in the connections

798
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,639
I have with people and the connections I have with

799
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:18,440
my journey and the memories I have, And like, I

800
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,760
don't know like that that I'm sorry.

801
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,519
Speaker 4: I know I'm not being so helpful this episode. I'm

802
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:24,079
just like not.

803
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,679
Speaker 3: I think I think two things, yeah, two things to

804
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,119
your point, Lauren, that I think we need to go

805
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,760
back to like the best example that I can give,

806
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Like I have the eighty six Flay in my collection.

807
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,239
I have the Wilt Chamberlain Rookie in my collection. I

808
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,840
have some very old cards like t tool six cards,

809
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000
like a very known like Hall of Famers and everything.

810
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,840
And whenever I talk about those cards, I don't talk

811
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,400
about what they're worth, right, I talk about the nostalgia

812
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,199
that I had with these cards and the experiences that

813
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,599
I had sharing these cards with people, right, And I

814
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,719
never like, oh, let me pull up the index and

815
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,119
show you how much my eighty flair by eighty six

816
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:06,920
flair Jordan words, let me show you how much my

817
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,719
like that isn't the driver of those conversations and those experiences.

818
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,119
And I also think too, the second point that I

819
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,960
want to make, when it comes to like the market

820
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,360
and like what the what these boxes are worth, I

821
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,599
also think we need to like also consenter the strain

822
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,000
that it has on these mom and pop card stores

823
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,599
who've built decades of relationships with their targeted market and

824
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:38,079
community members. Where now I'm telling the people that I've

825
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,320
I've had all these communal experiences with that wasn't transactional,

826
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960
that just as much they gave to me, I gave

827
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,199
back to them. You're telling me like, I can't sell

828
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,800
this box for one hundred dollars one on the market,

829
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,800
they're gone for twelve hundred dollars. Like mathematically that just

830
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,280
doesn't make sense and I won't make any money as

831
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,800
a store owner. But like, how do I have that

832
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,599
negotiation that that conversation. How do I negotiate that conversation

833
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,519
with people who's coming who's been coming to my store

834
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,559
for thirty plus years, are families who have been connected

835
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,480
to me and coming to my store and who committed

836
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,239
to this experience that I've cultivated in my store that

837
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,599
you know what, I want to be associated with you

838
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,039
as a store owner, Like, how do I negotiate that

839
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,559
conversation with them to say, like, for you to get

840
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,760
this product, you got to pay six hundred dollars. Yeah,

841
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,239
when gas for a full taken gas today is like

842
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,639
seventy three dollars, you know what I mean? And so

843
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,480
it's like that's where I think like we all need

844
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:41,639
to like pump the brakes and like take the take

845
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,039
a step back like and I even go back to

846
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,119
like covid, Like I am grateful that Covid brought me

847
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,840
back to the hobby. However, I am not grateful for

848
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,480
what covid Covid did to the hobby in terms of

849
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,360
the monetary aspect, because I think it also made a

850
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,400
lot of people greedy, It brought in a lot of

851
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,960
bad actors, and I think it stifled the joy that

852
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,159
we were all looking for and all looking to share.

853
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,599
It shifts our point of view where like, oh, I

854
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,239
could sit at home while the world is shut down

855
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,519
and buy cards and make money, as opposed to going

856
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:24,079
back to those foundational things that brought us to collecting

857
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,239
and our individual communities as kids, right and as teenagers.

858
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,400
So I think we need to keep those two points

859
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,559
at the forefront. That like, when we are telling our story,

860
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,360
what what are we centering our story around? And then

861
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,840
like the negotiation that's happened, that has to happen with

862
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,719
these stores who've been at the bed rock of collecting,

863
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,159
even in the moments where the hobby wasn't so mainstream,

864
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:55,159
but they maintained those meaningful relationships with the collectors who

865
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,199
keep coming back for more.

866
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,679
Speaker 1: Right right exactly, And yeah, I mean I have a

867
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,800
similar story. Like my favorite well, my favorite card in

868
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,320
my collection is not like I think it maybe might

869
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,559
be like valuable. I don't. I haven't really looked at

870
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,760
the price of it honestly recently. But it was a

871
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,039
Rollandinho Like I was doing a lot of research on

872
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,559
Rollandino cards and I found this one that was part

873
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,360
of this like world set from like ninety two I think,

874
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,320
and there was just no there were you couldn't find them.

875
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,679
So like I had an eBay search set up, and

876
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,199
when the card popped up, I bought it immediately and

877
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,719
I got it graded. But it was like I waited

878
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,039
like three or four months for that card to even

879
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,760
pop up in the first place because there were just

880
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,639
no sales of it. So, you know, that's one of

881
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,800
my favorite cards of my collection. It's like the journey

882
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,920
and finding the card and realizing, oh, I can't get

883
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,840
it right now, but and then it popped up and

884
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,800
it was like, wow, this is way, this is exactly

885
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,719
what I was looking to pay for it. It's you know,

886
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,280
it's those types of stories that I think are important,

887
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,199
like you were saying, Samuel, in this industry to you know,

888
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,559
tell people that, like, because I think you're right. Like

889
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,760
what happened during COVID was a lot of people got

890
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,320
into sports cards because there was a lot of money

891
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,880
to be made. There was cards were doubling and tripling

892
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,360
in a day, like it was. It was fast money

893
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,599
that I think in ways helped the industry because it

894
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,000
helped fund how people were buying and selling cards. But

895
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:16,960
I also think it hurt because it gave people kind

896
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,519
of maybe a little bit of a false expectation of

897
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,079
like how easy it is to make money. Like how

898
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,360
you know, cause you could if you bought a card

899
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,920
in twenty eighteen and you sold it in twenty twenty,

900
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,119
there is a one hundred percent guarantee that it went

901
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,159
up in price. You could buy You could buy any

902
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,119
Zion card, you could buy any you know, Kobe White card,

903
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,519
like all of these cards from the twenty nineteen classes.

904
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Like because of what happened with basketball then they had

905
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,880
essentially a whole extra offseason where people could just speculate

906
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,559
on how good the players were going to be. And

907
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,960
that happened with all the sports just in general. It

908
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,840
happened with you know, it happened, not even with just sports,

909
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,960
it happened with anything like Pokemon happened as well. It

910
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,920
was just a it was fast money that was made

911
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,559
that I don't is a realistic expectation. You know, we

912
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:06,199
have seen sales of cards continue to rise. Like I

913
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,559
saw like a chart other the other day that was

914
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,039
like the March of I think they went back to

915
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,679
twenty eighteen. It went from like March of twenty eighteen,

916
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,880
I think the total sales were like eight million or

917
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,000
eighty million or something, and now this past March they

918
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,960
were six hundred million in total sales. So there was

919
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,639
still growth, but it's like it's spread out and it's

920
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,519
not you know, it's not because a card went from

921
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,559
ten dollars to one hundred dollars. It's more like, you know,

922
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,760
it might even be some of those Grail cards, like

923
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,599
some of the Jordan's or some of some of the

924
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,559
other cards that kind of you know, went they went crazy,

925
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:39,960
and it was just I think it's set up a

926
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,239
little bit of a false expectation unfortunately for collectors in

927
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:46,559
you know, just the industry or people getting in for

928
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,679
the first time. Also, I think it was also too

929
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,440
that like people just had these cards, you know, Pokemon

930
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,679
for example, I just had a bunch of Pokemon cards

931
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:56,400
from when I was a kid, and I was able

932
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,159
to sell some of them for like a hundred bucks,

933
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,920
So it was like it was essentially I didn't buy it.

934
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,719
I just was able to sell it. And that's how

935
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,800
so you know, sort of I funded some of the

936
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239
industry for me.

937
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,199
Speaker 3: I go ahead, No, go ahead, finish your point.

938
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,639
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was going to move on the next

939
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,039
time I would say.

940
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,519
Speaker 3: I think my final point would be if I wanted

941
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,519
to be not like critical of this space but offer

942
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,719
some feedback. Is like we also have to recognize that,

943
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,599
like as collectors, we shouldn't be in competition. I don't

944
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:31,119
care like on my Instagram feed whatever somebody shares in

945
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,639
terms of a card, I want to take the time

946
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,599
to like it and thank them for sharing it, especially

947
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:39,920
if they connected a story too, because that inspires me

948
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,119
more to collect and like take that deeper dive, whether

949
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,440
it was a two dollars card or one hundred dollars card,

950
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,519
you know what I mean. And I think we also

951
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:55,280
need to like center ourselves around that, Like I'm not

952
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,199
in competition with any collector. I don't inspire to have

953
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,719
the best collect in the world and the most expensive

954
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,719
cards in the world. I do inspire to be authentic

955
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,199
as a collector and share my story, but also make

956
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,800
space for others as they share their story. I think

957
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:18,679
a price tag shouldn't define you know, your worth as

958
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,239
a collector and a hobby is the fact that you

959
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,960
added something to your collection that you've looked for and

960
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,880
you found the version that best suits you. So you know,

961
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:30,920
let us all partake in that.

962
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, one last point before we move on

963
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,400
to the national I think the point that you made

964
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,519
there is really good where I think the only competition

965
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:42,400
we should be in is just that you should want

966
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,239
a collection that you like. Like That's where I feel

967
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,280
like that was another thing in COVID that happened. It

968
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,679
was just people buying cards that they were just buying

969
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,840
them because you know, they saw someone's top five video

970
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
or which those videos are fine. You know, it's it's

971
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,679
fine to make that type of content. I hope that

972
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,679
people spend a little bit more time doing more research.

973
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,159
But it's like, the cards that you're buying should be

974
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,320
cards that you like, not because someone told you to

975
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,119
buy them. And I think that is another aspect of

976
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:15,079
the industry that you know, can be hard to decipher sometimes.

977
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:18,679
I mean, just because you know those top five investment videos,

978
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,519
those do so well on social media, like on YouTube

979
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:23,760
and all those places. It's like, well, this person has

980
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,880
one hundred thousand views on their video. I'm just gonna

981
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,239
follow what they're saying. It's like, on one hand, okay, sure,

982
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,880
but on the other hand, it's like, you should be

983
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,679
buying cards that you like, not because someone told you

984
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,159
to buy them.

985
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:34,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

986
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: And I think as we, you know, talking about buying cards,

987
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,840
we have one of the probably the biggest card show.

988
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,960
We entered a we are entering into a time period

989
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,039
here where we're you know, although it seems kind of

990
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,000
far away it did you know the calendar did just

991
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,559
turn to May, So we are getting closer and closer

992
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,239
to that, to the biggest card show of the year.

993
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,800
And I mean, I'm super excited. And you know, Samuel,

994
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,199
I know you got a lot of stuff with the

995
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,079
National I want you do a little bit of a

996
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:03,480
shout out here with some of the stuff that you've

997
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:03,960
got going on.

998
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I am right, I think I'm right in

999
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,519
the first like sports card curriculum that focuses on like

1000
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,360
four essentral pillars, and and it serves a purpose where

1001
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,599
like we for our kid collectors who are in the hobby,

1002
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,559
h create space for them to enjoy many of the

1003
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,880
foundational hobby principles that we enjoy today, but also open

1004
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,960
the door for new collectors to have a roadmap to

1005
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:36,480
like thrive in the space. And a big piece of

1006
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:41,840
it is communal. Another piece is uh, entrepreneurial. But another

1007
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,000
piece that I'm excited for as I continue to write

1008
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,639
this curriculum is like the industry side of it. And

1009
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,639
one of the foundational you know missions of this curriculum

1010
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,639
is like, yes, we want to create collectors, but we

1011
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,199
also need to be finding and finding space for who're

1012
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,119
going to be the next drivers of the hobby, you know,

1013
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,400
one hundred and fifty years from now, Who're going to

1014
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,239
be the new executive, the new marketing people, the new

1015
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,440
car designers, who're going to be these people that take

1016
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,280
the hobby to the next level. And you know, how

1017
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,079
do we do that in a inclusive and equitable and

1018
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,760
way where like access is provided to everyone. And I'm

1019
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,960
excited to you know, I'm excited about the partnership, and

1020
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
I'm also excited that I get to like craft this

1021
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,440
with a lot of cool people that I've been connecting

1022
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,119
with at the National and you know, having their support

1023
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,320
to do this. And I'm also looking forward to the

1024
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,880
forty six National and you know some of the other

1025
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,920
stuff that I do with the National Live Studio booth

1026
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,800
and creating space for people to like share their cardboard

1027
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,360
stories and tell their cardboard stories and talk about like

1028
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,960
their cool projects. So it's gonna be a lot of

1029
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:06,760
cool things happening with our immersion program, where we, you know,

1030
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,840
take a group of students from the city of Chicago

1031
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,800
and they come out and they experience the grandest show

1032
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,840
in the world, you know, and just the cool people

1033
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,000
they'll get to meet outside of the athletes, the movers

1034
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,400
and shakers of this hobby where they're they're learning important information,

1035
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,480
you know, from the entrepreneurial side, but they also being

1036
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,239
submersed into the why and that's being good and great

1037
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,239
collectors and honest collectors.

1038
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be I mean, it's

1039
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,119
like I said, it's coming up. So if you haven't

1040
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:44,760
booked hotels and flights, definitely definitely think about doing that

1041
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,840
in the next like month or two, or maybe even

1042
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,280
the next couple of weeks. Lauren, how about you, what

1043
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,639
are what are kind of the things that you're excited

1044
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,559
for leading up here to the show? I mean, like

1045
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:55,719
I said, we're I think we're within ninety days now.

1046
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,599
I think it's eighty eight days away. So what are

1047
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,360
you how are you preparing? What are you kind of

1048
00:51:59,400 --> 00:51:59,880
excited for?

1049
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's an incredible show. You can have

1050
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,679
any kind of experience you want. We are for the

1051
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,559
second year in a row, going to have a table

1052
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:14,480
which is very exciting. And yeah, and I don't know

1053
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,239
the details, but I heard that they're the sales are

1054
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,920
going very well, that the VIP sales are pretty much,

1055
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,920
if not already sold out getting there.

1056
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,559
Speaker 4: So I think it's going to be big.

1057
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: I know we say that every year, but I think

1058
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,920
it's going to be a very big show. And in

1059
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,280
the last two years, the National has made great strides

1060
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,760
to modernize and not modernize in the sense that we're

1061
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,400
pushing away the past and the history of the show.

1062
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,159
Modernized in that you can't just live in the past.

1063
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,400
And this is a huge show and of course it's

1064
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,079
you know, the forty six. It's born in a different

1065
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,039
time than what we're in now. But there's a way,

1066
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:55,079
I think, and I think they're kind of striking that

1067
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,559
balance of honoring the history of this show while also

1068
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,559
recognizing that it's not the same as when it started

1069
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:04,360
and it has.

1070
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 4: To move forward.

1071
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: And I think it's I think it's gonna be a

1072
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,199
really good show. It's it's fun, it's exciting. You can

1073
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,320
participate in whatever capacity you want, which is what I

1074
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,639
really like about it. Yeah, we always tell people like

1075
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,960
if even if they're like kind of you know, they

1076
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,480
purchase like a card here or there, We're like, you

1077
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:25,079
should go.

1078
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,519
Speaker 4: You should check it out, Like.

1079
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,119
Speaker 2: If if you have any interest in this space, if

1080
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,800
it's TCG, if it's you know, vintage, if it whatever

1081
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,920
it is, you'll find things there.

1082
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 4: And it's it's fun.

1083
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:41,639
Speaker 2: And also, you know, circling back to Kayla and other

1084
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:43,719
women in the hobby have said the growth in the

1085
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,119
women just in the last two years and their presence

1086
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,280
and their value has grown, and I think that's great.

1087
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,519
It makes it a more than Samuel is saying equitable space.

1088
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,880
I think the natural is becoming more equitable across, you know,

1089
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,000
many different factions. So I think it's a great show.

1090
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,400
I think it's becoming much more inclusive and fun and

1091
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,840
exciting for everyone. It's not just sort of focused on

1092
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,119
one specific type of collector, and I think that that's.

1093
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: A really good thing. So I'm excited. I think it's

1094
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,320
gonna be really fun.

1095
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree, that's that's something that

1096
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,559
I've definitely seen that's been very cool. I think this

1097
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,119
will be my badges back there, so this will be

1098
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,119
my fifth I guess this will be my fifth. This

1099
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,239
will be my nomar Garcia Para National. I'm excited for that.

1100
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,800
So yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a time

1101
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,480
where if you if you are in this community, you're

1102
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,159
in the sports cards and you make content online or

1103
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,559
even you just you know, you post your cards on Instagram.

1104
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:44,239
It's like you see everyone essentially for the one time

1105
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,599
every year, at least for me. I mean, I go

1106
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,079
to some of the regional shows around Boston, but for

1107
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:49,880
the most part, this is like my one big show

1108
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,599
of the year, and I mean for me, it's gonna

1109
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,159
be just content. I mean, I think last year I

1110
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,800
posted like one hundred videos across the whole week. I

1111
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,519
was trying to do one every hour of the show.

1112
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:58,159
Speaker 4: Busy.

1113
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a crazy one, which now I

1114
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:02,760
figured out the workflow and I'm hoping I'm gonna do

1115
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,800
more this year, but we'll kind of see how that goes.

1116
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,840
But yeah, it's it's it's the the include the the

1117
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,639
growth in just every category you can think of, whether

1118
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:13,239
it's you know, women, like I think a couple of

1119
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,400
years ago they had Angel Reese was there, so that

1120
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,119
was like them before she was even drafted. So it's

1121
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:22,079
definitely been a really cool experience to see the growth

1122
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,800
in every basically every industry you can think of, whether

1123
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,599
you know, whether it's baseball or whether it's Pokemon, or

1124
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,679
whether it's anything. They they've expanded the show floor as

1125
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,559
well that I don't know if it's doubled necessarily, but

1126
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,440
I know they added like a whole another section, which is,

1127
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,840
you know, really great and unfortunately it is such a

1128
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,599
big show now that it can be hard to do

1129
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,960
in one day. But if you are there for one day,

1130
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,000
the main booths or you know, I think the other

1131
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,880
cool thing is you got the main boosts, like by

1132
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,679
the doors. Those are the people who have been there

1133
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,440
for like almost all the forty six shows. So it's

1134
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,760
like you're seeing people who are you know, they are

1135
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,360
people who have been in this industry who you know,

1136
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,719
maybe some of them don't even have like in big

1137
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,559
Instagram accounts, or some of them might not even have

1138
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,920
Instagram accounts at all. I mean, there's some older there's

1139
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,360
definitely an older crew of people that I've heard that

1140
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,559
like they all get the same booth every single year.

1141
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,079
They've been getting it for twenty thirty years. And this

1142
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,239
is again, it's their opportunity to hang out with their

1143
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,840
friends do the selling that they like doing. So it's

1144
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,719
gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh,

1145
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,480
it's gonna be definitely something I suggest going to if

1146
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,480
you have that opportunity. I think it's at the end

1147
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:25,840
of end of end of July.

1148
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: There it's always say the National is your second family reunion?

1149
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, totally.

1150
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,599
Speaker 3: You get there on day one, it's the moment you know,

1151
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,039
and you know, you get to see everyone, and then

1152
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,320
by day two you on this emotional ride and then

1153
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,360
by day three you're tired, you're exhausted, but mentally you're

1154
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,760
just pushing forward and then by day four it's like, damn,

1155
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,800
I don't want this to end, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1156
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,599
and then the last you know.

1157
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay when you're flying home, you're crying on the

1158
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:04,280
flight back because it was so much fun. I just

1159
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,239
wish you wouldn't said, I wish you would never end.

1160
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: It was.

1161
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I think last year was like it was amazing. It was,

1162
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:12,360
and I'm excited. I think it's yeah, yeah, I think

1163
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,039
this year.

1164
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,719
Speaker 3: That was an awesome show. Actually, road trip there nice,

1165
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,480
it was amazing. Made some stops in Ohio, Indiana to

1166
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,800
go to a couple of cards stores, so it was fun, nice,

1167
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,119
great experience.

1168
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess we've come up on the hour here,

1169
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,719
which is pretty you know, pretty we ends up being

1170
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:33,079
pretty quick, which you know, one of the good things.

1171
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:34,360
One of the bad things about the show here, it

1172
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,559
always seems like it flies by. Any other topics you

1173
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:39,400
guys had from this past week that you want to

1174
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,960
cover before we kind of wrap things up here.

1175
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:45,039
Speaker 3: No, I would just say in the theme of the show, first,

1176
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,199
thank you to everybody who like tapped in with us,

1177
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,000
and all the comments were funny. I appreciate everyone's viewpoint.

1178
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,880
But I would just say you know, enjoy the hobby,

1179
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,519
enjoy it, enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it.

1180
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,920
And just as you enjoy it, make space.

1181
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,079
Speaker 1: For others, right absolutely, and with the with you know,

1182
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,400
with those words of wisdom, Samuel kind of I'll start

1183
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,239
with you here, like, give yourself a shout out. Let

1184
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everybody know where they can find you, anything you got

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coming up, kind of all give yourself a little bit

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of promo here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you can mainly find me on Instagram.

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That's why I'll post all my stuff. I haven't been

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posting much lately because I've also pushed myself to take

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a break because oftentimes the algorithm becomes this hamster will

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of like, for me to stay relevant, I need to

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like post post posts, and I don't. I don't want to.

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I don't want to be that type of you know,

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content creator per se. You know. So I'm just working

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on projects and every once in a while, you know,

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I'll look through my collection and you know, find something

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to explore. Right now, I'm exploring a lot of my

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raw cards because I have a ton of sets. So

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you know, I'm making these like montages every once in

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a while to like share pieces of of my PC

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that I rarely share, but I'm just working on projects

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and you can find me on Instagram at the Sportscar Collector.

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It's not spelled the conventional way, but if you just

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type in my name Samuel C. Evans, I will pop up. Yeah,

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follow the hobby experience and share your hobby experience with me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. And then Lauren's same

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question to you, what you got going on? Anything you

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want to promote here as we kind of wrap up

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the show, not much going on.

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Speaker 4: I will just because I was sitting here thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting to post them because I didn't want

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to jinx myself. I've stitched these a while ago, but

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I got in our series, I got Sa Pallo and

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I got Kid, and I didn't want to post them

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because I am a little stitious and so I haven't.

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Speaker 4: Want to share them with anybody yet. But y'all get

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a free preview.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: Back into stitching more. I'm able to find the time

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and physically I'm able to do it.

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Speaker 3: So right now we're Oh, Laura, Laurie, I got to

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give you a fly because I remember when I first

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discovered your Instagram account and I was like, the way

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she allows us to reimagine cards, I'm like, why haven't

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anyone reached out to her to like recreate like an

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exclusive set or create an exclusivet So I just want

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to say, I really appreciate your creativity and how you

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create another avenue to look at these, you know, you know,

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two dimensional pieces of like cardboard. So I truly appreciate.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I in talking about you know what, circling

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back to what we were all talking about.

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Speaker 4: You know, the value and you know how based cards.

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Speaker 2: Somebody bought them for a hundred and you know now

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they're worth like Denny's. A lot of my you know,

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friends that I made in the hobby were card artists first.

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And that the beauty of being able to reimagine something

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that people deem, you know, not valuable, into something that

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is interesting to look at and something reimagine. It's so fun.

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And I really, you know, I this is my avenue.

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There are people who have different avenues and ideally cool

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and I mean, now it's a problem because I hoard

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every base card imaginable and I.

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Speaker 1: Am like, just just in case, inspirations, just in case

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inspiration sparks there exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, no, maybe in yeah, maybe I could

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you know, see something in that. And here I am

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like five years later, like what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: But it's it's fun, it's a it's a different it's

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you know, two routes for me and my collecting, and

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I think it's fun. And yeah, so I'm trying to

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be more focused on that and better. I'm terrible about

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posting and you guys are so good at the content

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and posting. It's not I'm not good at it. But

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but yeah, Instagram is my main one and I post

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apparently like every six months.

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Speaker 4: And if you want you want a free sample, come

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to hobby Hotlines. You can see what I got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, And I mean, I mean I'll

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wrap us up here. I want to reiterate all the

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stuff we talk about on the show with just you know,

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sharing your collection and sharing all of the all of

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the enjoyment that you have. And I think that's something

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that is hard to find sometimes. I think, you know,

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the loudest things on social media, the stuff that gets

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the most engagement is usually the negative stuff. So if

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you have the opportunity to share something, just know that

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even if one or two people are seeing it that

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also enjoy that. In my opinion, that's I think worth it.

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Like you know, I some of the videos, some of

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the videos where I'm explaining certain things don't do as well.

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But I'm like, as long as a couple people can

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look at this video and say, hey, that helped me,

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that's you know, that's good enough for me. I think

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in some cases even if they don't get as many

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views as you know, the drama videos. But yeah, I

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mean just go follow everybody here on the show if

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you want to follow me as well. It's pretty much

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everywhere TikTok, Instagram, YouTube and then sports cards nonsense. I'm

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also doing videos with them as well, so make sure

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you go check them out too. I want to thank everybody,

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Thank everybody in the comments, Thank you guys for coming

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,679
and hosting the show with me today. That's basically all

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we got. We ran over a little bit of time,

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but you know that's I think we we got some

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great messages out there, so I think it's definitely worth

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the extra time we spent. We'll be back here on

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the four Collectors YouTube channel. Not myself, and I don't

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think Lauren or Samuel, but there'll be three different hosts

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next week. I'll be hosting probably in two or three weeks.

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I forget. I'm doubled on the schedule this month, but

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I'll be back in a couple of weeks. So if

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you're if you're sick of hearing from me, just know

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you got you got at least a couple of weeks

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off before I host again host the show. Yeah, yeah,

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thank thank you everybody for watching. Thank you everybody for listening.

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Make sure you like share the stream as well. If

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you are on YouTube, thank you everybody, and we'll see

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you in the next one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

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Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

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every Saturday morning, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific on

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:59,079
the four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number four,

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01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:03,719
the word Collectors channel on YouTube. We hope to see

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01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:06,760
many of you live on a future Saturday. We have

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01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,719
a great interactive chat room and we always provide a

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01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,760
link for anyone that wants to come on the show

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,880
and chop it up with us. So that's a reminder.

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Every Saturday, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific, only four

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collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to see you on the show.