Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. This is
episode three eighty five. My name is Adam Palmer. I
am here with two other co hosts. We have Samuel
and Lauren. I'll start with you, Lauren, how has your
week been, what you've been doing, what you've been up to?
Speaker 2: Week was good until the Magic played last night and
broke my heart into a million pieces.
Speaker 1: So you can't recover from that. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately. And
then we have Samuel. I mean, Samuel, I think you're
a Philly fans. We might be. We might be at
odds this episode potentially.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it's it's been a good week for
us Philly folks. You know, we got the Flyers winning
over time. I was a little nervous that that last
game because I was like, we cannot go back to
Pittsburgh and play them on their home court. We got
the Sixers forcing the game seven in Boston, so that's
gonna be a fun one. My hope is that mb
shows up again because you know, he had a good
second game back then, had it almost had a triple double,
so he's got to play unbelievable to beat Boston in Boston.
That's a hard place to win that, and then we
got these they they're they're trending in the right direction
right now. You know, they fired their coach, hired miss
was it mister baseball Don Mattey or something like that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they want They almost they almost hired the
Boston coach. They offered him the job. He was like, no,
I think I'm good. It's like, yeah, I mean, core,
that's not not it's kind of the opposite. I mean,
unfortunately with Boston, we've been kind of spoiled with riches
a little bit the past few seasons. But you know,
Boston kind of looks like they're collapsing a little bit.
In the NBA playoffs. The brule. They're just horrible. I
couldn't name three players on that team. So I'm kind
of glad they're out of the playoffs. I don't have
to worry about it. Red Sox fire their manager. It's
just not not great.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what happens when you live and die
off that three pointer. I don't care how what the
analytics say. Is still a low percentage shot. But you know,
you know, it's fun and I'm just enjoying being a principal.
You know, that's my day job. You know, I'm excited
for the summer because I have a lot of cool
things coming up a wrap my cards. So I'm looking
forward to the National, you know, the couple of weeks
before the National, because I'm going to be in Chicago
doing some cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you've got some cool stuff
around the National. We're gonna be touching on that, like
probably a couple of couple of topics from now, but
we're gonna start with kind of the breaking news from
the past twenty four hours. We're still waiting on a
little bit of info, so I don't know how much
of this topic we're really going to cover, to be honest,
but apparently game Stop is going to try to buy
eBay or there's gonna they're preparing some sort of offer.
I mean, I think that this is a story we've
heard before. I think when somebody somebody commented on some posts,
I saw that game Stop was also going to try
and buy collectors like last year. So there isn't much
info about this. I mean, I don't know if this
is like led by the power packs that they just
came out with. I don't even know how Game Stop
has all this. I don't know how they have this money.
That's just one thing that I'll say right off the bat.
You know, Samuel all start with you. What were I
don't know, what were your thoughts when you saw that.
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I don't understand how they have
the capital to do it. I'm just thinking back to
the days when their stock went down and everybody jumped
in to buy the stock, and then somehow when the
money world was figuring out what people were doing and
it was making money off Game Stop stock, and it's
just like they came back from the dead. And I
don't know, it's strange to me that they are shifting
their like business practices from like gaming to like carve
out their space and a hobby. And I don't think
they had the best opening run, especially with all the
things that have gone on with grading, And for me
as a collector, I'm just going to stay far away
from it and continue every once in a while to
like listen to what the you know, the chat box
say and the news headlines say. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Lauren, how about you, what were your comm
initial thoughts when this news hit?
Speaker 2: Well, well, and real quick, my internet's been kind of weird,
so if I cut out or something, I apologize, But yeah,
I agree with Samuel's it's weird.
Speaker 4: I think game Stuff is just such.
Speaker 2: A weird company in the twenty first century because yeah,
like they were part of that whole, you know, Wall
Street thing, and it's a very odd It's like, I
don't know, it's like bros running the company and it's
very weird. So I feel like they might have just
like pitched the story to the Wall Street Journal, like hey,
let's get our names back out there. I don't know,
but yeah, I mean because it does. Like the knee
jerk reaction is how absurd GameStop is, like trying to
pitch buying eBay, Like you get somebody who was in
a tenure coma about that, Like it's ridiculous, and like,
I don't, I don't know. You know, again, it's the
business side and it's the financial side, So like, am
I very invested in this, No, but like it's just
it's just kind of absurd.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't from the Wall Street Journal, I think
we probably wouldn't discuss it. But that gives it some
legitacity and I think again.
Speaker 2: They knew what they were doing by you know, to
the Wall Street Journal over you know, a news source.
So I don't know. It's again the bro culture is
it's like with the logan Paul Pokemon card sale to
uh what's his name? Like it's like not real, it's
not real numbers, it's not real. Like it's just unreal
to me. So like I don't know, I'm sorry, I
don't have better inside.
Speaker 3: Sounds like sounds like clickbait to me, and like they're
trying to It's like the ex girlfriend or the ex
boyfriend trying to stay relevant and everybody's like yeah, and
it's just like like yo, what are you doing? Like
we moved on, like just like let it be, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's strange. I don't even go to games
stop to buy games. It's like I'm not going to
go there to buy cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly. I mean I almost wonder if this
is going to be. You know, there was that weird
story probably like I don't know, it must have been
like six months ago and I was almost said the
other number, But there was the story where fanatics or
it was Panini was going to sell to tops, but
it was referencing an article from twenty twenty two, where
like it was just for some reason, someone wrote a
new article about a quote from twenty twenty two, and
everybody kind of ran with it. Obviously, it's the Wall
Street Journal, so it's a little bit different here. But
I just don't really know why, Like I gut, you know,
everything is kind of just it seems like every business
is trying to be everything all at once nowadays, Like GameStop,
it used to just be you know, you go there
and they give you fifty cents for the game that
you just paid sixty bucks for last year, and now
they're now somehow they have you know what, however much
you would even need. I don't even understand, Like I
don't like the amount of revenue that eBay does. I
don't understand why they would even sell I don't know.
Just the story, like both of you pointed out, it
just doesn't really make a lot of sense of why
even this could happen, or how this could happen, or
how game stop has the capital. I don't really know.
And it's like I said, what kind of touch we
just touched on a little bit. There's probably gonna be
more stuff hopefully that comes out that'll give us a
little bit more info. I want to give a shout
out to everybody in the chat as well. We got yeah,
we got some of the some of the regulars in here,
MATD City Brew, Confluence, foul Ball. Peter said, good morning
High from Tucson. Yeah, everybody, if you are in the
chat right now, make sure you drop where you are
actually watching the show from. I always get a kick
out of seeing, you know, people watching all over the country,
and you know, sometimes you get people overseas watching it.
So if you're overseas, make sure you drop drop the location.
Speaker 3: We got some debates going on too, between file Ball
and stell gumb So.
Speaker 1: Mmm, yeah, wow, I can't I can't believe that. Yeah,
game Stop doesn't have the money, and then someone yes,
it's back to back GameStop doesn't have the money. Then
game Stop does have the money. I don't you know. Again,
business nowadays it's like moving around money from different departments.
It just seems like I have no idea how business
is run nowadays. So it's like, I don't know. We'll
see if there's anything that ends up coming out of
this story. The I think.
Speaker 3: I think Able in Vegas makes it if I'm saying
his name right, makes a good point in what ways
can game stop? Yeah, I think that's a great question.
I don't see it. I mean, yeah, I just don't.
I mean, I feel like I feel like GameStop is
trying to figure out who they want to be in
the twenty first century. Do we want to sell games?
Do we want to sell collectible?
Speaker 1: Was like, I don't know, just yeah, I mean, like law,
it might have just been might have just been a
couple of bros, just like sitting around a table drinking
a couple of beers going, you know, would be hilarious
if we bought gay, if we bought eBay, that would
be so funny. And then there just happened to be
a Wall Street reporter journalist that was also sitting at
table or sitting next to him. Is like, you guys
want to do what It's like? Let me all write
a story about that. Like yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: Plausible, which is scary, but it's plausible right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Especially I mean nowadays, like I said, business is
so weird nowadays, it's just like who who knows how
this story even comes about? Like does does Game stop
reaching out to the Wall Street journal? Is is it
a Wall Street Journal artist or the journalists just overhearing
a conversation? Who really knows? And yeah, I mean I
think Able's question of how they can improve eBay is like,
you know, there was the outage that they had like
last week for a couple of days, and eBay hasn't
really made any statement about that yet. I don't know
exactly what happened, or I mean, I guess we don't
know because eBay hasn't said anything. And I mean it
didn't really affect me necessarily. I don't know, did the
Were you guys trying to buy cards last week and
you were affected by the eBay outage? Or I don't know,
did that.
Speaker 3: I haven't been on in a couple I haven't been
on in a couple of weeks, so I wouldn't have
noticed anything. Now, how about too, Lauren?
Speaker 4: Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have not bought anything in probably about
two weeks. But you know, I I look every other night,
you know, just kind of scour my watch list and stuff,
and Brian's on eBay all the time. He didn't tell me,
so I don't know, Like The first I heard of
it was when we were talking about topics, and so
I'm sure it was you know, somebody was greatly impacted.
But but yeah, the tie it back into what Abel said,
eBay's pretty like I think, you know, obviously there's like,
you know, anomalies and stuff, but EBA has been a
pretty consistent partner to the.
Speaker 4: Hobby for anybody at any level.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know that GameStop could, especially if
like eBay is having issues. You know, even though they
didn't impact us, obviously they impact did somebody. You know,
it's out there. eBay's been pretty consistent, So like, if
they're having issues, why would we trust GameStop to be
able to handle that?
Speaker 4: Because how many.
Speaker 2: These companies get bought up and then they wipe out,
like the entire department that runs the infrastructure of the
thing you love. So yeah, I think that was a
really great question. And I mean, I'm I'm being skeptical,
and I think that that's fair. I think it's fair
that we're all skeptical, but like it just it's just
seems unpleasant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Sutherland Cards makes another great point.
eBay is an online seller game stop as a storefront.
I can't go to GameStop and buy a nineteen eighty
three Death Leopard can set, but I can go to
eBay and buy it. And I just think, I don't know,
it doesn't seem plausible to me that GameStop is ready
to take on everything that eBay has to offer, because
it's not just collectibles that drives eBay. They sell everything
under the sun, you know. And even if GameStop did
have the capital, I don't think they're going to use
their own capital to buy eBay. They're going to try
to raise money because if they use their own money
and then it blows up in their face, what do
they got to fall back on? So I wouldn't want
to be an investor.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think eBay luckily has made changes
to their site catering towards sports cards in ways like
there have been things added. You know, they do the
integration with PSA where you can see the certain grades
of cards that are in listings or stuff like that.
There's you know, they've added tons of different things. You know,
there are things I wish they would improve. I wish
they would improve I don't know some of the shield
bidding that goes on some of the you know, just
listings like they or they made the change recently where
the winning bidders can't cancel their bid after they've won
the auction, which I didn't even realize that was a thing. Like,
I think it's more just, you know, they don't want people,
you know, messaging the sellers be like, hey, my dog
clicked on the button and that's how I won the oction.
I think that's sort of what they're trying to avoid,
which is, you know, a pretty typical story nowadays with
dogs trying to buy cards on eBay. But yeah, I
think if if there was, I mean again, I don't
really like this is maybe I don't know, ranting a
little bit, but with eBay, I don't like how they
have you can't see like the best offer prices on things.
I mean, that's an improvement I would like for them
to do. But I don't think game Stop comes in
and says, oh, that's what we're doing, Like that's that's
not what game stop is going to do. Game Stop
is trying to buy eBay. So that way, I think
someone even put it put it in there, put it
in a chat message here, just so that they can
add to their portfolio of stuff that they have. I mean,
game Stop also has kind of changed their their business
model pretty significantly, you know, with the power packs doing
a repack. And again, if they were to buy eBay,
that would be a big way for them to add
some inventory. That's kind of yeah.
Speaker 3: Souther then mentioned could game stock just per to the
collectiblest part. I don't see how that benefits eBay just
to sell off a portion there. Essentially their their revenue that.
Speaker 1: Comes in right right right, Yeah, So, I mean hopefully
I guess that hopefully there'll be some more info on this.
Maybe it'll just be a story that was a one
time thing and we won't hear anything about it. Maybe
GameStop is monitoring comments and they're gonna see that everyone
doesn't want them to buy them, and they're gonna be like, okay,
you know, guys, sorry, just kidding. Uh, we're not doing
that anymore. They doubled down, yeah right right yeah, or
they say actually now we're gonna pay more for now
we're gonna pay more free. Uh yeah, I don't know
it's gonna be you know, it's always an interesting, you know,
Friday afternoon news dump. Here sometimes in the industry right
before the show, is I guess not a bad thing
because you know, it gives us an extra topic, but
uh the I mean.
Speaker 3: I do I do have I do have one question though,
because like I have, I have a PlayStation. I have
a Nintendo So like I'm like generation one of like gamers,
Like I grew up playing Nintendo Innatari. So my thought is, like,
is this also this the idea of the sell? Is
it happening? Because like Gameshop feel as though like no
one isn't buying games anymore or playing video games, Like
what does that market look like? And is it still thriving?
Like I mean, even as a principal, I think about
like my students, like, yeah, there's a hand up handful
of them that's still playing Fortnite. But I remember what
Fortnite was at the forefront of everybody's mind. I don't
hear much talking about it anymore in school circles, you know,
after the popular turn six seven. But you know, I
don't know, maybe maybe that's why they're trying to diversify
their portfolio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm in a similar boat
to you, Samuel. I mean, I still you know, I
still buy physical games because I like having the cases.
I don't know, so yeah, but I think that you know,
with with you know, Microsoft, for example, they have a
thing called game Pass where you could just download any
game you want for thirty dollars a month and there's
no physical version. So it's like and I don't know
if and I know that, you know, systems nowadays are
pretty large in terms of how how much storage they have, so.
Speaker 3: The that's what I do PlayStation.
Speaker 1: Right right exactly, Yeah, And I mean that's other other
than like Call of Duty and Matt and I think
I buy those every year other than those two games,
any games I'm buying or just digital, so you know,
maybe that is what. Yeah, maybe they're looking at the
the passing by of you know, the physical games and
they're like, Okay, we got to figure out something else
to do. That's maybe potentially what they're what they're looking at.
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And even in my existence, I'm just thinking about like
all the games that I've bought from like high school
and middle school, Like it's always been from like Target,
Sam's Club or like Walmart. I like I never walk
into a game stop and say, like I I want
to buy this game, you know what I mean? Like
I've gone to a retro gaming store before, I've gone
to game Stop, you know what I mean? So like yeah, right,
not kind of game Stop, but I haven't been a
consumer of that store at.
Speaker 1: All, right, right are yeah? Any? So okay, so we're
gonna switch switch switch topics here a little bit. So
any any other last minute thoughts before we move on
to some more card related stuff.
Speaker 3: Cool, good morning, We're on the big screen at the shop.
Have fun.
Speaker 1: That's right. Thank you, thank you, uh, thank you sports
card shops. Shout out to them. They you know, they
always give us a shout out there and put us
on the screen and really appreciate that. So, you know,
a topic that I think a lot of people probably
saw coming. I would say, you know, there was the
there was a post that right when this product first
came out, like the Blue the Blue Josh Allen was
selling for the same as his blue Rookie autograph from Prism.
And you know, anytime there's a new product that comes out,
most people know that the the or most people in
the I guess most people know. I don't know if
people still are buying these cards. So maybe people don't
know this, uh, but people are buying. The prices have
gone down pretty significantly on a lot of cards, on
a lot of the like inserts, like I saw one
of the Kaiju Jayde Daniels sold for thirteen when it
first came out. Now it's down to around three. Obviously,
this Josh Allen has kind of dropped from seventy five
hundred to eleven hundred. I don't know, you know, Samuel,
start with you, what are kind of your thoughts on
just some of the dropping of pricing here, you know,
with top chrome football.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm writing a curriculum on cards right now,
and a lot my first the first part of my
curriculum has a lot to do with like the card market,
like the historical context of it, the tools and the analytics,
like all those things that have created the market that
we see today, this like digital market that we follow
from like thirty years forty years ago. Just looking at
like back at books and all those different books to
look at the index prices, and for the life of me,
I just don't understand how modern cards just when they
are out, they just have like these high end prices
and then you know when that boom happens for those
cards and then the market stabilize itself. It's just like
and as a collector myself, I just I just don't
see how some of these cards are work can be
worth more than like ventis cards of like players who
have proven themselves. And I don't know. It's just it's
just strange to me how the market be marketing sometimes.
And it's just like it's on one hand, like you
ask yourself, it's this sustainable, sustainable, and then the other
hand is like, damn, so many people is like holding
the bag right now, and you think about like I
think about like socially and emotion and psychology and like
the world that we're living in now with everything that's
happening from around, like gas prices everything, and it's just like, oh,
I bought this card as an investment, and the hope
is that the seventy five hundred dollars price should like
to two exitself or three exitself, and then a week
later I lose almost six thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's it's crazy, man. And I just think people need
to be more informed and more aware and like, don't
get caught up with fomo and just like, take your
time when buying these modern cards, because the veritables are
different compared to when I collected. You know, as a kid,
when I collected, we looked at the stats on the
back of your card, We look at we looked at
your popularity, and not necessary if you got hurt, it
had an impact on your prices, and we wasn't even
like thinking about cards in that in that sense. But
now with all these just different veritables and pieces of
data that are driving an individual players card market, whether
they won an MVP or whether they made an All
league team, or if they got hurt, they had a
bad season, they got cut, they got waved. It's crazy times,
and I just think people need to be more aware
in the form when investing their money or credit into
these modern cards.
Speaker 1: Right right? I agree? And Lauren have a How about you?
What are your I don't know what are your thoughts
on just the overall market for topscron football or maybe
this specific price, I mean, just just in general. I suppose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been trying.
Speaker 2: And I was listening to Samuel too, what Chris, I like,
I was listening to Samuel and also thinking like it's
I don't know, there's so many moving parts and I'm
like overthinking it at this point because I'm like, I
hope the person that sold it for seventy five hundred
that got them out of a tough spot or like
paid for their kids to go on a field trip
or something.
Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just so weird, I mean, and and this is
the pattern with new product. The FOMO is a huge
driver of you know, the high prices and it will
it ever reach the seventy five hundred number again, I
don't know.
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe this is just.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I'm sure there's a broad sample of
cards that like this went through, but overall majority hopefully
this is not like the trend they're selling for crazy
numbers that are just like unbelievable. Like I don't know,
it's just like it's very overwhelming to me to think
about like that, that eighty five percent drop is just
very it's just overwhelming to me, Like I just can't
really process it because I don't know, I don't know,
like it just I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't
have better insight.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's good.
Speaker 4: That number is just I'm staring at it and I
can't comprehend it. It's just like not computing for me.
Speaker 3: In this moment, because what a drop like that? Would
a drop like that? Essentially, the person who got this car,
you are hoping that Josh Allen somehow wins goes on
this magical one run when two Super Bowls and now
you can sell that car for ten thousand dollars or
fifteen thousand dollars. But the likelihood of that happening unless yeah,
I mean, the NFL just rigs itself and say, you know,
we got to get Josh Allen one because he's the
face of the league. I you know, I don't ever
see that card going up like that. And just think
about I was looking at an Instagram post of like
just all these top basketball cards that people invested in
in the hype of the boom, you know, from the
Bobos of the world and Patrick Williams of the world,
and what those cards are worth today and what a
person paid for with the hopes of like this, this
player is going to be an All Star, which I
think Bobo should be in the NBA. But I'm not
going to jump on that hill right now. But you
left holding the bag and now you got this card
that was you paid fifteen thousand dollars for it is
now worth two hundred and twenty five dollars. Like, how
do you even sell that? You know what I mean?
So you might as well just you might as well
just hold on to it and it becomes a placeholder, and
you know it's I just tell people, be careful, man,
be careful, especially now. Like when we look at the
market modern cards, they have this rush for like two
to three weeks, but no one pays attention to the
fact that nineties cards are still driving the market. Adventures
cards are still driving the market, and like these are
cards that are never been made before, but everybody's waiting
for this new release with the hope of like, I
need to get in in this moment because if I don't,
and I think that's what that's what's going to kill
a hobby on the back end, And you have a
lot of people leaving because they got in it for
all the wrong reasons, as opposed to thinking about I'm
collecting because I love this player, I enjoy watching him
or her, and I have some memories. You know that
makes me want to buy this card as opposed to
like I'm buying this card with the hopes that it's
a long term investment. Well not an eighty five percent,
not of a eighty five percent decrease.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, And I mean that eighty five percent decrease.
I don't know if it's worse in context or out
of context. Like out of context obviously the eighty five
percent is like it's like, holy crap, you got to
take a step back and be like, what have I done?
Like that? Which again, like someone's spending seventy five hundred
on that, Like you know, I think that the sports
card industry has become so it's become so large that
it's like maybe somebody bought that for seventy five hundred
for and because they knew it was going to go down.
They're doing it for a tax right off. It's like
it's it's sort of an interesting concept that I don't
think is unreasonable, like but at the same time, like
in context, we know and again I have been screaming
this from the mountaintops for every time there's a new release,
the product goes down in price every single time. For
I mean, just in this example, you could have bought
you could have bought seven of these cards for the
same price as you bought one. And it's like and
then again in context, it's like, the seventy five hundred
is the exact same price as the Rookie Prism autograph,
which there's only ninety nine of. I believe these ones
there's one hundred and fifty made, so you know, yeah,
I mean since.
Speaker 2: It's out of one fifty. Yes, it's on card, but
like it's a it's a blue how To one, it's
it's I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You could have took that money. You could have took
that money and bought several vintage cards who are going
to keep their appreciation run to continue to go up,
and you could have reaped a profit from that sometime
down the line. And you know, as someone who goes
to a lot of card shows, from small shows, large
regional shows, and almost grand shows that we see all
across the country, I often walk the floor and I'm
just like collecting data. I'm looking at prices I'm looking
at and I often wonder, I'm like, sir, there's no
one walking around here with that type of money. That's
gonna buy that card from you, and you just like
it's just like sitting there and you might find somebody
that says, I'm gonna spend this money for that card.
But oftentimes I wonder, like sometimes going to shows where
you see the same vendors, they're holding on to the
same cards with the hope that somebody will buy this
eighty five hundred Josh Allen that I know has decreased,
you know, seventy five to eighty.
Speaker 1: Five, right, And I mean, I guess I hope that.
I mean, I guess I hope that this wasn't in
now granted a seventy five hundred dollars card to buy
for your first card. Is that's that would be insane.
I don't think I've spent I don't know if I've
spent seventy five hundred dollars on anything in my life
but maybe my master's degree. But that's like that's neither
here nor I'm still paying that off. But you know,
you hope that it's not somebody who this is their
first card purchase, and like in literally two weeks it
goes down eighty five percent. Like I just I just
worry that and you know this is the case I
think for a lot of the cards, not even just
just Josh Allen. I think this is the case for
any of the Jackson Darts or any of the you know,
shud or Sanders or any of the players that are
coming out of this product. Any you know, the case
Hits for example, they're doing that as well. I just
hope that people it just doesn't make any sense to me,
Like this is just the one thing that I I
pull my hair out at times because I look at
the cards and I say, why don't why are people
so impatient that they would be willing to spend, you
know whatever, one hundred and twenty dollars when the Jackson
Dart for one hundred and twenty dollars for a Jackson
Duard based tops Chrome card, when literally that card is
probably gonna be a five to ten dollars card. If
that if you look at his Prism card, that's you know,
I think it's like a three or four dollars card.
So like that's what the price is going to get to.
Like we have the data to tell people that's what
this price is going to get to. And you know,
it just reminds me like way back in that. I'm
not sure if you guys remember this, but there was
an app called Clubhouse, Yeah, where it was like I
forget that. I don't even know how to described. It
was like it was a live room where people were
that room yeah, yeah, right, a live voice chat room
like discord kind of actually now that I'm thinking about it,
but I remember someone being in there and they were like, yeah,
I bought three Lamello ball Don Russ cards for one
hundred dollars apiece, and they're like, yeah, these shit. In
my head, I'm like, oh my, Like I couldn't. I was.
I was mind blown. I couldn't believe it. The product
had just come out, and I'm like these are going
to be a dollar Like this is insane, Like I couldn't.
Speaker 3: That's likes Rookie car you know from right Top cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dollars, but it's it was. It blew my mind unfortunately,
Like I I've I felt bad for the person because
I'm like, those cards are going to be a dollar
in like a couple of months, like if not a
couple of weeks. Like so, you know, I and Samuel
we were talking before the show more about you know,
the collecting aspect of these cards and trying to you know,
get more collecting back into the industry versus like in
this scenario, you know, someone buying this, like you said,
for seventy five hundred, you know they're hoping it goes
to ten K. I guess in theory, like I I
don't know how anybody would think that, but I guess
maybe some people do. But it's like, you know, the
Tops Chrome for example, like they've done a lot with
it and it's been great, but like do you feel
like the Tops Tops Chrome release has do you think
that they've added more to the collecting side of the
industry or do you think it's more of this like
transactional side potentially that you know we're seeing with a
lot of these sales.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, from my personal opinion, the hobby
is very trum, especially when it comes to these releases,
and you know what you have to do to be
a part of the fanatics under the Fanatics umbrella. You know,
in terms of many of the card stores that I
talk to, owners that I talked to in the stores
that I go to, and you know, I think we
need to figure out how to remove ourselves from this
move away from this transactional nature, because essentially it's going
to hurt a lot of new people coming into the hobby,
and it's going to cut out a lot of kids
that's collected in the hobby because you know, as as
a vendor or anybody selling this card or that card,
that example on eBay, you see that like, oh I
just made seventy five hundred dollars, But the person holding
the bad is like, how do you circle back to
that person? What's that conversation look like? You know, are
you just thriving off the fact that oh I made
this one time? Come up and it's like, now there's
no residual, there's no circle back, there's no you know,
I don't know. It's just I just think as people
who produce content and talk about the space and live
in the space outside of what we do professionally, I
think we also need to do a better job of
making sure the nostalgia and the storytelling of the hobby
stays at the forefront. Yes, it's good that people are
making money in the hobby and they're able to change
their lives, but I would say it's changing your life
at the spence at the expense of someone else's demids
because they woke up the next morning realizing the card
that they bought is now worth pennies. I don't. For me,
it's not worth it. It's just not worth it because now,
and that's a damaged relationship. That's a person who who
you know, doesn't ness And like again, at the end
of the day, we all got to be adults and
responsible for our money. But we can't center this this
thing that we do around community and our practices and
applications that we all contribute isn't community based and those
actions aren't community centered. And I just think we need
to do a better job of supporting each other because
I've seen some vendors be like, nah, don't buy this
card right now, you know what I mean? And you know,
I think we need more of that, and I think
those stories need to be brought to the forefront a
little bit more. And we just need to make more
spaces where like we're sharing and we're giving back to
each other as opposed to I need to come up
fast with this monetary value. And that's why I like
I give cards away, and I've given many cards away
from our collection to people that are told don't tell nobody.
I gave it to you. It's my gift to you,
and I don't need anyone to I don't need you
to tell people that I gave you this, but I'm
giving it to you for red So I think we
need more of that. So that way, the community aspect
is what's driving this and the things that we look
forward to, and not the hysteria or the anxiety of like, damn,
I just made this purchase and is it gonna blow
up in my face? Or when it does blow up
in your face, that's another person not in the hobby, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right exactly. I mean, maybe it's just.
Speaker 3: Buying the sky for me, and maybe I'm an optimist,
or you know, that's just the educator and me wanting
to care about people and their long term health and
as it relates to the collectible.
Speaker 1: Space, right yeah. And I mean I think one of
the things that I on TikTok is recently I've been
trying to point out specific cards you can buy rather
than buying a box of the Tops chrome product, because
you know, I think that the price that Top sold
the four three point fifty is still high. Obviously, that's
still a lot of money for a lot of people
a lot of money. But you know, I go, I obviously,
being on TikTok, I see people are selling these boxes
for twelve hundred dollars, and I mean now they've gotten
to down to around eight fifty, so I still think
that's high. But I still think that there are And
I made a video the other day that I said,
I personally would rather buy because in top Scrome Football,
you get eighty box, you get eighty cards. There's twenty
packs and there's four cards were packed, which that's also
insane that there's not that there's only that many cards
in the box. That's neither here nor there. But I
would rather buy eighty ten dollars cards on eBay than
buy a box of this because the chances is, you know,
you might pull one card that end up you can
make your money back for the box. But the chance
is that every card in that box is ten dollars
is zero to none, Like there's not a chance you're
gonna be able to sell all those cards for ten.
So you know, I would say buying. And it's also
just seems like it's more fun to me. I mean
that's just you know, the search, the and maybe that's
another thing that like you were talking about Samuel with
like collecting, it's like for me, I enjoy the I
enjoy the hunt for the cards. Like it's not it's.
Speaker 3: Those foundational principles in practice and we need to get
back to right exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think the other part of it, and Lauren,
I'll let you jump in here in a second, But
the other part of it that I've been trying to
kind of figure out exactly how to make videos more
videos about it's like if you're buying cards, you should
be buying slowly but then selling fast. You know, if
you buy a card, like hypothetically, if you're buying cards
to that that you do want to sell, spend a
lot more time figuring out which cards and identifying which cards,
and then that way, when it does go up in value,
you can sell that and then reinvest that into other opportunities.
But you shouldn't be going all in on one card.
You shouldn't be spending all your money on one card.
You shouldn't be seeing somebody made a video about these
are the top five people to invest in and then
buying them. Because the other thing, too is like as
soon as somebody's making that video. It's probably already too
late for that player's market. It's it's it's a combination
of those types of things. And you know, Lauren, I'll
kick it over to you here. Just from a you know,
collecting standpoint, what have been your thoughts as you've been
seeing stuff with topic football and maybe just you know
where we're shifting sometimes in the hobby when it comes
to the you know, the collecting aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I agree with both of you. I
Kayla Kayla collects. She had a quote and I don't
remember where it was recent but I don't remember if
she wrote it or said it or post I'm not
sure where, but I wrote on a post it because
it just like it really like, I was like, I
need to remember this. And the accomplishment isn't in the result,
it's in the happening. That's kind of how I feel
about collecting. Like you guys said, it's the community aspect,
it's the.
Speaker 4: Pursuit, it's the.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the it's the comprehension aspect of Okay,
is this card worth this?
Speaker 4: Could I pursue something else?
Speaker 2: I want? More like, do I get this one versus two?
Of whatever, and and also thinking about how you collect
Are you collecting a set, are using a rainbow? Are
you collecting this big player at like whatever capacity. That's
that I feel like for the three of us at least,
that's what our journey is is, you know, kind of
finding the balance and like Samuel said, you know, connecting
with people and offering up cards and and and having
stories and collecting this experience. And Samuel's one of the
best at documenting that experience, which is one of my
favorite things about the hobby is his stories and his
like how he digests and then you know, expresses to
us to experience it through him, like you know, in
his community, in his shows with you know, certain collectors
of different ages and ranges. And it's that's where the
value lies for me personally. I'm not trying to get
like all philosophical and deep about it, but like I
think that's why these number, those number about a out
of one fifty Blue Shashalent unlicensed. Like, I think that's
why it was overwhelming me because I can't comprehend the
context of that. I can't comprehend the story of that.
How do I explain to people like how this came
to be, and like, you know, and also I couldn't
if I was trying to explain to somebody the beauty
of this hobby and the community and the experiences and
the value I see in that aspect. I'm not going
to tell my parents or my brother, my friends or whatever. Yeah,
here's this crazy story about how this car dropped eighty
five percent in like two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: That's a bummer. It's a very huge brummer.
Speaker 2: And you know, so it's like, I don't know, I
mean it in the in the fabric of the entire hobby.
It's it's a small aspect, and like in that what
I would share, you know what I mean. But if
you're trying to warn people who are getting into it
and are trying to process it or kids, you know,
who are you know making a big purchased with seventy
five hundred dollars for your kid, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: But it happens.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just again not to be Kumaya,
but like the value for me is in the connections
I have with people and the connections I have with
my journey and the memories I have, And like, I
don't know like that that I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not being so helpful this episode. I'm
just like not.
Speaker 3: I think I think two things, yeah, two things to
your point, Lauren, that I think we need to go
back to like the best example that I can give,
Like I have the eighty six Flay in my collection.
I have the Wilt Chamberlain Rookie in my collection. I
have some very old cards like t tool six cards,
like a very known like Hall of Famers and everything.
And whenever I talk about those cards, I don't talk
about what they're worth, right, I talk about the nostalgia
that I had with these cards and the experiences that
I had sharing these cards with people, right, And I
never like, oh, let me pull up the index and
show you how much my eighty flair by eighty six
flair Jordan words, let me show you how much my
like that isn't the driver of those conversations and those experiences.
And I also think too, the second point that I
want to make, when it comes to like the market
and like what the what these boxes are worth, I
also think we need to like also consenter the strain
that it has on these mom and pop card stores
who've built decades of relationships with their targeted market and
community members. Where now I'm telling the people that I've
I've had all these communal experiences with that wasn't transactional,
that just as much they gave to me, I gave
back to them. You're telling me like, I can't sell
this box for one hundred dollars one on the market,
they're gone for twelve hundred dollars. Like mathematically that just
doesn't make sense and I won't make any money as
a store owner. But like, how do I have that
negotiation that that conversation. How do I negotiate that conversation
with people who's coming who's been coming to my store
for thirty plus years, are families who have been connected
to me and coming to my store and who committed
to this experience that I've cultivated in my store that
you know what, I want to be associated with you
as a store owner, Like, how do I negotiate that
conversation with them to say, like, for you to get
this product, you got to pay six hundred dollars. Yeah,
when gas for a full taken gas today is like
seventy three dollars, you know what I mean? And so
it's like that's where I think like we all need
to like pump the brakes and like take the take
a step back like and I even go back to
like covid, Like I am grateful that Covid brought me
back to the hobby. However, I am not grateful for
what covid Covid did to the hobby in terms of
the monetary aspect, because I think it also made a
lot of people greedy, It brought in a lot of
bad actors, and I think it stifled the joy that
we were all looking for and all looking to share.
It shifts our point of view where like, oh, I
could sit at home while the world is shut down
and buy cards and make money, as opposed to going
back to those foundational things that brought us to collecting
and our individual communities as kids, right and as teenagers.
So I think we need to keep those two points
at the forefront. That like, when we are telling our story,
what what are we centering our story around? And then
like the negotiation that's happened, that has to happen with
these stores who've been at the bed rock of collecting,
even in the moments where the hobby wasn't so mainstream,
but they maintained those meaningful relationships with the collectors who
keep coming back for more.
Speaker 1: Right right exactly, And yeah, I mean I have a
similar story. Like my favorite well, my favorite card in
my collection is not like I think it maybe might
be like valuable. I don't. I haven't really looked at
the price of it honestly recently. But it was a
Rollandinho Like I was doing a lot of research on
Rollandino cards and I found this one that was part
of this like world set from like ninety two I think,
and there was just no there were you couldn't find them.
So like I had an eBay search set up, and
when the card popped up, I bought it immediately and
I got it graded. But it was like I waited
like three or four months for that card to even
pop up in the first place because there were just
no sales of it. So, you know, that's one of
my favorite cards of my collection. It's like the journey
and finding the card and realizing, oh, I can't get
it right now, but and then it popped up and
it was like, wow, this is way, this is exactly
what I was looking to pay for it. It's you know,
it's those types of stories that I think are important,
like you were saying, Samuel, in this industry to you know,
tell people that, like, because I think you're right. Like
what happened during COVID was a lot of people got
into sports cards because there was a lot of money
to be made. There was cards were doubling and tripling
in a day, like it was. It was fast money
that I think in ways helped the industry because it
helped fund how people were buying and selling cards. But
I also think it hurt because it gave people kind
of maybe a little bit of a false expectation of
like how easy it is to make money. Like how
you know, cause you could if you bought a card
in twenty eighteen and you sold it in twenty twenty,
there is a one hundred percent guarantee that it went
up in price. You could buy You could buy any
Zion card, you could buy any you know, Kobe White card,
like all of these cards from the twenty nineteen classes.
Like because of what happened with basketball then they had
essentially a whole extra offseason where people could just speculate
on how good the players were going to be. And
that happened with all the sports just in general. It
happened with you know, it happened, not even with just sports,
it happened with anything like Pokemon happened as well. It
was just a it was fast money that was made
that I don't is a realistic expectation. You know, we
have seen sales of cards continue to rise. Like I
saw like a chart other the other day that was
like the March of I think they went back to
twenty eighteen. It went from like March of twenty eighteen,
I think the total sales were like eight million or
eighty million or something, and now this past March they
were six hundred million in total sales. So there was
still growth, but it's like it's spread out and it's
not you know, it's not because a card went from
ten dollars to one hundred dollars. It's more like, you know,
it might even be some of those Grail cards, like
some of the Jordan's or some of some of the
other cards that kind of you know, went they went crazy,
and it was just I think it's set up a
little bit of a false expectation unfortunately for collectors in
you know, just the industry or people getting in for
the first time. Also, I think it was also too
that like people just had these cards, you know, Pokemon
for example, I just had a bunch of Pokemon cards
from when I was a kid, and I was able
to sell some of them for like a hundred bucks,
So it was like it was essentially I didn't buy it.
I just was able to sell it. And that's how
so you know, sort of I funded some of the
industry for me.
Speaker 3: I go ahead, No, go ahead, finish your point.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was going to move on the next
time I would say.
Speaker 3: I think my final point would be if I wanted
to be not like critical of this space but offer
some feedback. Is like we also have to recognize that,
like as collectors, we shouldn't be in competition. I don't
care like on my Instagram feed whatever somebody shares in
terms of a card, I want to take the time
to like it and thank them for sharing it, especially
if they connected a story too, because that inspires me
more to collect and like take that deeper dive, whether
it was a two dollars card or one hundred dollars card,
you know what I mean. And I think we also
need to like center ourselves around that, Like I'm not
in competition with any collector. I don't inspire to have
the best collect in the world and the most expensive
cards in the world. I do inspire to be authentic
as a collector and share my story, but also make
space for others as they share their story. I think
a price tag shouldn't define you know, your worth as
a collector and a hobby is the fact that you
added something to your collection that you've looked for and
you found the version that best suits you. So you know,
let us all partake in that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, one last point before we move on
to the national I think the point that you made
there is really good where I think the only competition
we should be in is just that you should want
a collection that you like. Like That's where I feel
like that was another thing in COVID that happened. It
was just people buying cards that they were just buying
them because you know, they saw someone's top five video
or which those videos are fine. You know, it's it's
fine to make that type of content. I hope that
people spend a little bit more time doing more research.
But it's like, the cards that you're buying should be
cards that you like, not because someone told you to
buy them. And I think that is another aspect of
the industry that you know, can be hard to decipher sometimes.
I mean, just because you know those top five investment videos,
those do so well on social media, like on YouTube
and all those places. It's like, well, this person has
one hundred thousand views on their video. I'm just gonna
follow what they're saying. It's like, on one hand, okay, sure,
but on the other hand, it's like, you should be
buying cards that you like, not because someone told you
to buy them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think as we, you know, talking about buying cards,
we have one of the probably the biggest card show.
We entered a we are entering into a time period
here where we're you know, although it seems kind of
far away it did you know the calendar did just
turn to May, So we are getting closer and closer
to that, to the biggest card show of the year.
And I mean, I'm super excited. And you know, Samuel,
I know you got a lot of stuff with the
National I want you do a little bit of a
shout out here with some of the stuff that you've
got going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I am right, I think I'm right in
the first like sports card curriculum that focuses on like
four essentral pillars, and and it serves a purpose where
like we for our kid collectors who are in the hobby,
h create space for them to enjoy many of the
foundational hobby principles that we enjoy today, but also open
the door for new collectors to have a roadmap to
like thrive in the space. And a big piece of
it is communal. Another piece is uh, entrepreneurial. But another
piece that I'm excited for as I continue to write
this curriculum is like the industry side of it. And
one of the foundational you know missions of this curriculum
is like, yes, we want to create collectors, but we
also need to be finding and finding space for who're
going to be the next drivers of the hobby, you know,
one hundred and fifty years from now, Who're going to
be the new executive, the new marketing people, the new
car designers, who're going to be these people that take
the hobby to the next level. And you know, how
do we do that in a inclusive and equitable and
way where like access is provided to everyone. And I'm
excited to you know, I'm excited about the partnership, and
I'm also excited that I get to like craft this
with a lot of cool people that I've been connecting
with at the National and you know, having their support
to do this. And I'm also looking forward to the
forty six National and you know some of the other
stuff that I do with the National Live Studio booth
and creating space for people to like share their cardboard
stories and tell their cardboard stories and talk about like
their cool projects. So it's gonna be a lot of
cool things happening with our immersion program, where we, you know,
take a group of students from the city of Chicago
and they come out and they experience the grandest show
in the world, you know, and just the cool people
they'll get to meet outside of the athletes, the movers
and shakers of this hobby where they're they're learning important information,
you know, from the entrepreneurial side, but they also being
submersed into the why and that's being good and great
collectors and honest collectors.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be I mean, it's
like I said, it's coming up. So if you haven't
booked hotels and flights, definitely definitely think about doing that
in the next like month or two, or maybe even
the next couple of weeks. Lauren, how about you, what
are what are kind of the things that you're excited
for leading up here to the show? I mean, like
I said, we're I think we're within ninety days now.
I think it's eighty eight days away. So what are
you how are you preparing? What are you kind of
excited for?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's an incredible show. You can have
any kind of experience you want. We are for the
second year in a row, going to have a table
which is very exciting. And yeah, and I don't know
the details, but I heard that they're the sales are
going very well, that the VIP sales are pretty much,
if not already sold out getting there.
Speaker 4: So I think it's going to be big.
Speaker 2: I know we say that every year, but I think
it's going to be a very big show. And in
the last two years, the National has made great strides
to modernize and not modernize in the sense that we're
pushing away the past and the history of the show.
Modernized in that you can't just live in the past.
And this is a huge show and of course it's
you know, the forty six. It's born in a different
time than what we're in now. But there's a way,
I think, and I think they're kind of striking that
balance of honoring the history of this show while also
recognizing that it's not the same as when it started
and it has.
Speaker 4: To move forward.
Speaker 2: And I think it's I think it's gonna be a
really good show. It's it's fun, it's exciting. You can
participate in whatever capacity you want, which is what I
really like about it. Yeah, we always tell people like
if even if they're like kind of you know, they
purchase like a card here or there, We're like, you
should go.
Speaker 4: You should check it out, Like.
Speaker 2: If if you have any interest in this space, if
it's TCG, if it's you know, vintage, if it whatever
it is, you'll find things there.
Speaker 4: And it's it's fun.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, circling back to Kayla and other
women in the hobby have said the growth in the
women just in the last two years and their presence
and their value has grown, and I think that's great.
It makes it a more than Samuel is saying equitable space.
I think the natural is becoming more equitable across, you know,
many different factions. So I think it's a great show.
I think it's becoming much more inclusive and fun and
exciting for everyone. It's not just sort of focused on
one specific type of collector, and I think that that's.
Speaker 4: A really good thing. So I'm excited. I think it's
gonna be really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree, that's that's something that
I've definitely seen that's been very cool. I think this
will be my badges back there, so this will be
my fifth I guess this will be my fifth. This
will be my nomar Garcia Para National. I'm excited for that.
So yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a time
where if you if you are in this community, you're
in the sports cards and you make content online or
even you just you know, you post your cards on Instagram.
It's like you see everyone essentially for the one time
every year, at least for me. I mean, I go
to some of the regional shows around Boston, but for
the most part, this is like my one big show
of the year, and I mean for me, it's gonna
be just content. I mean, I think last year I
posted like one hundred videos across the whole week. I
was trying to do one every hour of the show.
Speaker 4: Busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a crazy one, which now I
figured out the workflow and I'm hoping I'm gonna do
more this year, but we'll kind of see how that goes.
But yeah, it's it's it's the the include the the
growth in just every category you can think of, whether
it's you know, women, like I think a couple of
years ago they had Angel Reese was there, so that
was like them before she was even drafted. So it's
definitely been a really cool experience to see the growth
in every basically every industry you can think of, whether
you know, whether it's baseball or whether it's Pokemon, or
whether it's anything. They they've expanded the show floor as
well that I don't know if it's doubled necessarily, but
I know they added like a whole another section, which is,
you know, really great and unfortunately it is such a
big show now that it can be hard to do
in one day. But if you are there for one day,
the main booths or you know, I think the other
cool thing is you got the main boosts, like by
the doors. Those are the people who have been there
for like almost all the forty six shows. So it's
like you're seeing people who are you know, they are
people who have been in this industry who you know,
maybe some of them don't even have like in big
Instagram accounts, or some of them might not even have
Instagram accounts at all. I mean, there's some older there's
definitely an older crew of people that I've heard that
like they all get the same booth every single year.
They've been getting it for twenty thirty years. And this
is again, it's their opportunity to hang out with their
friends do the selling that they like doing. So it's
gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh,
it's gonna be definitely something I suggest going to if
you have that opportunity. I think it's at the end
of end of end of July.
Speaker 3: There it's always say the National is your second family reunion?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, totally.
Speaker 3: You get there on day one, it's the moment you know,
and you know, you get to see everyone, and then
by day two you on this emotional ride and then
by day three you're tired, you're exhausted, but mentally you're
just pushing forward and then by day four it's like, damn,
I don't want this to end, you know what I mean? Yeah,
and then the last you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay when you're flying home, you're crying on the
flight back because it was so much fun. I just
wish you wouldn't said, I wish you would never end.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: I think last year was like it was amazing. It was,
and I'm excited. I think it's yeah, yeah, I think
this year.
Speaker 3: That was an awesome show. Actually, road trip there nice,
it was amazing. Made some stops in Ohio, Indiana to
go to a couple of cards stores, so it was fun, nice,
great experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess we've come up on the hour here,
which is pretty you know, pretty we ends up being
pretty quick, which you know, one of the good things.
One of the bad things about the show here, it
always seems like it flies by. Any other topics you
guys had from this past week that you want to
cover before we kind of wrap things up here.
Speaker 3: No, I would just say in the theme of the show, first,
thank you to everybody who like tapped in with us,
and all the comments were funny. I appreciate everyone's viewpoint.
But I would just say you know, enjoy the hobby,
enjoy it, enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it.
And just as you enjoy it, make space.
Speaker 1: For others, right absolutely, and with the with you know,
with those words of wisdom, Samuel kind of I'll start
with you here, like, give yourself a shout out. Let
everybody know where they can find you, anything you got
coming up, kind of all give yourself a little bit
of promo here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you can mainly find me on Instagram.
That's why I'll post all my stuff. I haven't been
posting much lately because I've also pushed myself to take
a break because oftentimes the algorithm becomes this hamster will
of like, for me to stay relevant, I need to
like post post posts, and I don't. I don't want to.
I don't want to be that type of you know,
content creator per se. You know. So I'm just working
on projects and every once in a while, you know,
I'll look through my collection and you know, find something
to explore. Right now, I'm exploring a lot of my
raw cards because I have a ton of sets. So
you know, I'm making these like montages every once in
a while to like share pieces of of my PC
that I rarely share, but I'm just working on projects
and you can find me on Instagram at the Sportscar Collector.
It's not spelled the conventional way, but if you just
type in my name Samuel C. Evans, I will pop up. Yeah,
follow the hobby experience and share your hobby experience with me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. And then Lauren's same
question to you, what you got going on? Anything you
want to promote here as we kind of wrap up
the show, not much going on.
Speaker 4: I will just because I was sitting here thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I've been waiting to post them because I didn't want
to jinx myself. I've stitched these a while ago, but
I got in our series, I got Sa Pallo and
I got Kid, and I didn't want to post them
because I am a little stitious and so I haven't.
Speaker 4: Want to share them with anybody yet. But y'all get
a free preview.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm I'm getting.
Speaker 2: Back into stitching more. I'm able to find the time
and physically I'm able to do it.
Speaker 3: So right now we're Oh, Laura, Laurie, I got to
give you a fly because I remember when I first
discovered your Instagram account and I was like, the way
she allows us to reimagine cards, I'm like, why haven't
anyone reached out to her to like recreate like an
exclusive set or create an exclusivet So I just want
to say, I really appreciate your creativity and how you
create another avenue to look at these, you know, you know,
two dimensional pieces of like cardboard. So I truly appreciate.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I in talking about you know what, circling
back to what we were all talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, the value and you know how based cards.
Speaker 2: Somebody bought them for a hundred and you know now
they're worth like Denny's. A lot of my you know,
friends that I made in the hobby were card artists first.
And that the beauty of being able to reimagine something
that people deem, you know, not valuable, into something that
is interesting to look at and something reimagine. It's so fun.
And I really, you know, I this is my avenue.
There are people who have different avenues and ideally cool
and I mean, now it's a problem because I hoard
every base card imaginable and I.
Speaker 1: Am like, just just in case, inspirations, just in case
inspiration sparks there exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, no, maybe in yeah, maybe I could
you know, see something in that. And here I am
like five years later, like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: But it's it's fun, it's a it's a different it's
you know, two routes for me and my collecting, and
I think it's fun. And yeah, so I'm trying to
be more focused on that and better. I'm terrible about
posting and you guys are so good at the content
and posting. It's not I'm not good at it. But
but yeah, Instagram is my main one and I post
apparently like every six months.
Speaker 4: And if you want you want a free sample, come
to hobby Hotlines. You can see what I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, And I mean, I mean I'll
wrap us up here. I want to reiterate all the
stuff we talk about on the show with just you know,
sharing your collection and sharing all of the all of
the enjoyment that you have. And I think that's something
that is hard to find sometimes. I think, you know,
the loudest things on social media, the stuff that gets
the most engagement is usually the negative stuff. So if
you have the opportunity to share something, just know that
even if one or two people are seeing it that
also enjoy that. In my opinion, that's I think worth it.
Like you know, I some of the videos, some of
the videos where I'm explaining certain things don't do as well.
But I'm like, as long as a couple people can
look at this video and say, hey, that helped me,
that's you know, that's good enough for me. I think
in some cases even if they don't get as many
views as you know, the drama videos. But yeah, I
mean just go follow everybody here on the show if
you want to follow me as well. It's pretty much
everywhere TikTok, Instagram, YouTube and then sports cards nonsense. I'm
also doing videos with them as well, so make sure
you go check them out too. I want to thank everybody,
Thank everybody in the comments, Thank you guys for coming
and hosting the show with me today. That's basically all
we got. We ran over a little bit of time,
but you know that's I think we we got some
great messages out there, so I think it's definitely worth
the extra time we spent. We'll be back here on
the four Collectors YouTube channel. Not myself, and I don't
think Lauren or Samuel, but there'll be three different hosts
next week. I'll be hosting probably in two or three weeks.
I forget. I'm doubled on the schedule this month, but
I'll be back in a couple of weeks. So if
you're if you're sick of hearing from me, just know
you got you got at least a couple of weeks
off before I host again host the show. Yeah, yeah,
thank thank you everybody for watching. Thank you everybody for listening.
Make sure you like share the stream as well. If
you are on YouTube, thank you everybody, and we'll see
you in the next one.
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.
Just want to remind everyone we are a live show
every Saturday morning, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific on
the four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number four,
the word Collectors channel on YouTube. We hope to see
many of you live on a future Saturday. We have
a great interactive chat room and we always provide a
link for anyone that wants to come on the show
and chop it up with us. So that's a reminder.
Every Saturday, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific, only four
collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to see you on the show.