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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Let's Ask Paul,

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the podcast where you get to ask me Paul Abernethy

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anything you want about the National Electrical Code and of

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course all things electrically related. I'm willing to opine about

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any of that information. And it kind of goes with

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today's show because today's show, I have a question that

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I found extremely unique and I have kind of answered

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this question before. It's not a code, it's a personal question.

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Let's ask me about all my activities and social media.

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And you know, here we are after the holidays, you know,

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right in the middle between Christmas and New Year's and

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you know, people ask me these questions. But this is

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a kind of a neat question that I have elaborated

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on before, but I figured maybe i'd like to hear

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my response to it. It won't be along one today.

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I promise you cut your break here right here at

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the break of the holidays. But but before I do

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that again, shout out to our Fast Tracks program and

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all the students and everybody that's in the program. Here

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we are at the end of the holidays, we're getting

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close to the New year, and I just want to

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say that I am extremely thankful to all the students

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that are in our program, everybody that's invested in us,

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and we're investing back in you to help teach you

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the National Electrical Code. You know, one of the biggest

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things that we did was when we launched Mastering the NEC,

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which was different than the exam prep. It's just a

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good anc core for anybody, even if you already have

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a license. And again, if you've been listening to our

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stuff for a while and you followed me, a good

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way to show the love is to go on and

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get into our Mastering the NEC course.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't expire, that's great.

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Speaker 1: It has the ability for you ask questions, post images

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in the material, so that's really good. It's almost like

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you get a consultant always there to help you out.

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But that program that changed things for us when we

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launched that program as well, not just the exam prep,

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because we do very well with the exam prep, but

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you know, this was taking the game to the next

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level and being able to, you know, just have something

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for people that weren't studying for an electrical exam but

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wanted to get the benefit of understanding the code and

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ask questions and Interact, so but they weren't exam prep,

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so that's where that program came from, and so all

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of them available of our website. But everything really started

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turning around really well in twenty twenty four with the

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release of that program, and then of course we proceeded

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to release the two courses for the Home Inspector for

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to learn electrical and then we released the residential and

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commercial wiring programs, so then it was all from there.

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It just skyrocketed. And again we are so thankful to

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all of our students, everybody that's in fasttracks Tube as well.

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I mean, that's been amazing since we launched FasTracks Tube

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or electriciantube dot com or fasttrackstv dot com. All these

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different URLs lead to the same place. It's our exclusive

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video platform and that is poised to do some amazing things.

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And we promised you that we're going to have a

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lot of exclusive content in twenty twenty five, and we are,

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and you're going to see less and less, if anything,

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over on our YouTube channels other than marketing obviously trying

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to you know, let people know what we have available

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because it's a good avenue to reach people. Because we

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don't pay for ads. We don't run advertisements. We don't

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do those per click things. We don't do those little

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sponsored stuff when you go into search engines and stuff

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like that. We're word of mouth, and you know, we've

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been very successful due to that word of mouth and

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people sharing it and wanting to get real results.

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Speaker 2: So we're thankful.

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Speaker 1: We're definitely.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we're very thankful is.

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Speaker 1: The loyalty from the people that follow us and buying

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our shirts and buying our merchandise. And you know that

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Master Electrician gear and Journeyman gear. You know, everybody's proud

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of achievements, and you know, you ought to be electricians,

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ought to be walking tall and proud letting people know.

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I do it all the time. You've seen my hats.

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It's say master Electrician, my shirts, and I'm proud of it.

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And it's a profession that we can be proud of.

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And I'm letting people know it when I wear it.

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I'm looking at one damn right. You may think you're

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a doctor, you may think you're a lawyer. I'm a

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damn electrician, and you know I'm proud of it. You

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cannot do what I do no different than I cannot

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do what you do, okay. So at the end of

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the day, we're it proudly. And so that was one

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of the things that I wanted to launch and give

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people the ability to buy merch that's geared more towards

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showing their pride and removing all of our r ls

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from stuff because you know, most of the time you

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don't want to buy something with our U r L

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on it. You just want something that says you're this

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or that master or whatnot. And so that's kind of

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what we geared to. So again, check those out and

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again for everybody that's purchased them, we appreciate it, okay.

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So the question that it comes up frequently and I

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usually dodge the question, and I have answered it before,

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but with us doing TikTok and and everybody knows, not

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a huge fan of TikTok, although I do believe it

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should stay around. I joke about it and say I'd

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be glad when it's gone, but I that's not going

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to happen. Too popular. It's the way people you know,

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that little three minute, two minute, fifteen second thing that

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it's just the way people do it today, and that's

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just the way it's going to stay. People's tension spans

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are just not like they used to. And you know,

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at the end of the day, it's a decent platform.

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It's very easy. I don't like it because no matter

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what I say, I seem to get banned or censored.

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So it means to me it's it's not conducive for

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me to be myself. This is why we created fasttracks Tube.

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This is why we created the programs that we have

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in the ability to stream directly on our website if

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we want. In case we lose those social media avenues,

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we still have a way to get our message out.

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That's why we have the mobile app where you can

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chat in the mobile app. You can listen to podcasts

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on the mobile app. It's free, by the way over

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on our website fastrackssystem dot com and you can download

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it for free. Doesn't put anything on your phone, it's

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just a link. But it allows us to communicate with

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the people out there who really want the content. So

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with that said, the question really is dedicated more towards

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the trolls and the people that the haters out there

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that I have that I've rubbed the wrong way or whatnot,

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and it feels like that their personal vendetta to try

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to cancel me or whatnot, and it can't happen, by

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the way, it can't.

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Speaker 2: But oh, Paul, you're conceited. No it can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't cancel me. I own too much of my

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own content. I don't rely on anything else in order

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to get my message. I own my servers, I own

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my websites. I have multiple websites. So at the end

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of the day, I'm here to teach. I'm here to

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teach the code and so and then give people insight

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into the NEC because it's not the easiest document in

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the world to navigate. So it's a easy venture for me.

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And so people ask me the tiktoks and the Instagram,

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you'll I don't accept chats on those platforms. In other words,

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if you need to reach out to me, you'll use

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the email on our sites, or you'll use Paul Abernathy

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dot com, which is my filter for questions. And it's

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been like that for years. And so at the end

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of the day, people say, well, Paul, how do you

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deal with the negative comments or the stuff that people say.

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First of all, I do not allow open communication on

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my social media accounts. And you know, some people don't

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like that because they don't like the fact that it's

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that I control you in a sense that if you

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want to make a comment, it's got to be filtered.

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Speaker 2: First.

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Speaker 1: People say, oh, that's not transparent, you're hiding. No, I'm

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just I'm just not letting you post stupid shit.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you take a what might be

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a good conversation down a rabbit hole where it just

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totally will screw up everything. For anybody that might come

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in who doesn't want to do their due diligence of

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reading all the previous comments, they just jump right in

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there and then they see your stupid comment and that

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ends it. I'm not going to allow that, so we

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control it. And I've been like that for years, and

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you know I tell people all the time, is if

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if you're going to put a platform out there and

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you're going to restrict people, then make it very clear.

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I have made it very clear that in my use

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of the social media platforms, it isn't free speech. You

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can disagree with me, but you can do it respectfully.

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If you want to be an asshole or you want

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to post something and just knife at me for whatever

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reason you think it's going to bother me. First of all,

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realize nobody's ever going to see it, so that's just

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you getting it off your chest, and it's going to

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be deleted. It's not going to be seen anyway, So

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why effort. Your best thing for you to do is

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just to block me, or don't even don't even watch

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Speaker 2: That's okay with me. It won't hurt my feelings.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to watch and you want to

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get something out of it, hey, I'm here to teach

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you too. But they ask people the question I just

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got Yesterda Day evening Christmas Christmas Day was Paul, how

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and stupid comments that people post. First of all, it's

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not nearly as many as you would think. Okay, I

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make it seem like it's a lot. There's not. I

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get far more good questions and a lot of the

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stuff I will allow to go through it. In some stuff,

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you know, it's like it's it's it's still not it's

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it's so far off base that I'm not again, I'm

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not gonna let it taint something. But we do answer

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all of our questions. I just don't answer chat on

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those platforms. I just I just don't. And then I

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had one guy say to me. He says, well, Paul,

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that's stupid, because you answer people on lives, you answer

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people an email.

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Speaker 1: Because it consumes too much time back and forth with

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an individual. Uh. And it's much easier for me to

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just force you to capture it in a a email

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or do it through our Paul Abernathy dot com portal

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and send it in that way. I just don't want

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to get into the chatting back and forth on TikTok

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or a messenger or all those kind of things. Now,

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every now and then somebody I do answer a question

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for somebody because I say I don't. But every now

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and then I'll answer something. But it's a it's a

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rarity for me to do that. I just I'm just

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social media, I'm not the biggest fan of it. So

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but I still know that we have to use it

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and we have to interact on it, and and so

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that's why I'm there. But if I got uh, if

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Speaker 2: It would not break my heart, right, it would not.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would not have a situation where I'm

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just totally torn up about it. Right, It's not gonna

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break my art that type of thing. So that's important

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to realize that I do answer questions, but just don't

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do through the TikTok. So when people ask me, again,

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how do you deal with people that are just negative? Well,

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I sometimes will comment back the videos to their stuff,

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and it might seem that I'm irritated. I'm not really irritated,

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but it makes for good banter. But I just I'm

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not gonna I'm not going to get into it with somebody.

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They just are not going to get it. They're just

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not going to get it, and so I'm not here

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to force you. It's like, you know, we're having Christmas

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dinner and at their dinner and with my brothers. One

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of my brothers, to me, we're strong Trump supporters. The

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other brother is not. Although he did vote for Trump,

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he still thinks Trump should keep his mouth shut. We

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all agree that to a point he should. But you

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know what, he's like any lion. You back him in

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a corner, he's going to do his thing. He's going

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to pound his chest, he's going to say it. I

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respect that, and he do what he wants. I don't

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really care about the person. I care about what's good

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for the country. And if I think that his policies

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are going to be good for the country, get rid

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of the illegals, stop the crime, make things more affordable

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for other people. Those things like that stop us from

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spending our money frivolously on things that we don't even

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know about. They get slid into these bills in the

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middle of the night. If he does away with all

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that stuff, I don't care. If he sends out random

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mean tweets, get over it. I don't care about that

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part of it. I don't even read them. I mean,

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I don't care about him. I only want what's good

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for the country, and I think he's got the what's

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good for the country in mind. So, but it's interesting

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having that discussion with my brother and him, you know,

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be very you know, he's very.

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Speaker 2: Negative on Trump.

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Speaker 1: But by the time we're done, we explained to him

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these things and he's you know, he seemed to be

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a little bit better. But I'm not going to sit

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there and try It's just a family conversation, yes, politics

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and you know, and family. I'm not going to sit

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there and try to convince him that he needs to

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support somebody, no different than I'm going to try to

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convince somebody that if they don't believe that this is

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the code. Or again, there's an example in there where

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somebody says, you know, EMT has to be secured within

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three feet, and if you had two boxes that are

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thirty inches apart, and the EMT is in a fitting,

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the fitting has got a set screw and then it

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is is connected to the box. If you don't believe that,

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no matter which way you go from which end of

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the EMT, if you don't believe that it is not

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fastened in place or fastened securely fastened within three feet

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and there's a box on each end and a connector

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on each end, and they're securely fastened to each other,

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to the box. That's if you don't think that that

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meets within three feet, then there's nothing else I can

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say that's going to make you see Otherwise, when I

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look at it, I'm like that damn EMT is not

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going anywhere. That fitting is not going anywhere in that

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box is not going to I don't see nothing in

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that rule that says that it has to have a strap.

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It just says securely fastened the place. And to me,

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it is securely fastened the place. It ain't going nowhere,

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But I am not going to. So I had a

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guy that's trying to convince his boss, and I'm like, look,

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some people are just going to get it, and some

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people aren't. And I give up trying to convince people

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that just don't get it. If you want to say that.

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It's like with the commenters. If somebody believes I'm wrong,

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that's fine. You keep doing you. I'll keep doing me.

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If you don't like to follow me because you disagree

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with me, that's on you.

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Speaker 2: It ain't on me.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't lose sleep over it. I've

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never been about to. You know, people ask me because

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I remember when Dustin got Electrician you started. Now he's

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got over almost a million followers, and everybody's like, how

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come you don't have a million fives? I said, first

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of all, I don't do those little videos that people

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can warm up to the entertaining videos of shit that

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I've done for thirty year, thirty nine years or whatnot.

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I don't care to watch that stuff. I'm not interested

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in watching somebody screw a box in. I'm not interested

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in watching somebody do electrical work. That's just not me.

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And I fully understand that you may not be into

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watching somebody that just talks about code all the damn time.

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I get it. So I'm already preconditioned to realize that

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I'm not gonna have but a certain number of followers anyway.

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And even though I have thirty some thousand followers on

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let's see one platform, but when I look at the videos,

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I know that I'm not getting thirty thousand views for those,

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so I know they're not watching it. So my message

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to do out there is, I don't care if you're

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on platforms like TikTok and YouTube and all that, and

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you subscribe to me, but you don't ever watch my content.

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Do me a favor, unsubscribe. It doesn't bother me. I'm okay.

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I don't get income from these social media platforms. The

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only platform that I have for videos, the only one

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that I have is YouTube and for commercials, and that

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helps originally help fund some of the marketing that we did.

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But have y'all not noticed that I've moved most of

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my stuff trying to move it off of YouTube onto

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my own platform, fast tracks Tube, which we automatically take

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all the ads off of.

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Speaker 2: So you don't get any money revenue for the videos.

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Speaker 1: Even if I host them on YouTube and I share

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them on fast tracks Tube, I'm not getting any revenue

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for those. We've stripped that off because it's not about

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the numbers. I don't care whether I have thirty one

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hundred and fifty five hundred thousand million followers. It's not

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going to change me because I turn around and take

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that money and blow it on something anyway. It doesn't

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matter to me. So I am about content. I am

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about what you can get out of the content if

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it's going to teach you something, okay. And so when

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people say, you know what, why do you do your

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why do you do all these social media platforms if

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you don't like them, it's not that I don't like

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the platform. I like the concept of spreading information and

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being able to teach what I don't like about the platforms,

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And you've seen what happened with Facebook during the election.

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You see what's happened with others. You saw what happened

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to Twitter before Elon Musk bought it and opened the

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doors to see what they were doing. I don't like

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the corruption involved in it. I just don't like any

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part of that. How that can be. It's no different

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than the regular media. By the way, y'all know, Elon

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didn't buy Twitter because he likes Twitter. He bought it

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because it's a marketing conglomerate. You can advertise on it,

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sell advertising, all these type of things that make money, right,

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and you know it's not. Is it going to make

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the same kind of money that his starlink is making

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rolling in? No, but he didn't buy Twitter for that.

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He bought a multimedia company. He can sell ad space.

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He ain't gonna twist your arm to bite. You've heard

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him say, don't buy it, you don't care. I'm the

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same way. You don't want to subscribe, don't You got

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that prerogative. But when I but if I'm loyal to

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something and I like it, just because somebody says something

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I don't like doesn't mean I'm not going to stop

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following it or watching it, Right, So it's kind of funny.

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So when it comes to social media, to be honest

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with you, it doesn't bother me. But I do block people.

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I do block because I just don't have the time

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nor the patience to deal with some of the stupid comments.

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Speaker 2: So I tell people all the time it quick.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to see me in your thread,

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and I keep popping up in your thread, the easiest

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thing to do is comment something totally stupid, and I'll

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just block you and you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 2: You'll never see my thread again. So there you go.

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There's an appeal to all you out there.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be a dick and you want

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to say something in my comments it's to get you blocked,

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then go for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind blocking you, darling.

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Speaker 1: I'll block you. JEF will block you. They look at

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they work my accounts as well, they'll block you. It's

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all good. We don't care. But if you do learn something,

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that's what we're here for. So yeah, so I don't

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worry about those type of things. They don't.

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Speaker 2: It literally doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 1: So the question really was how do I deal with

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the negative comments and people that maybe question me. I

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don't mind being questioned. I learned something new every day, okay,

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But if you don't bring the goods and you just

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post something and just to post it, but you don't

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actually validate what you say, then your your position means nothing.

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It's it's just your opinion. And I don't care about

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your opinion. And somebody's gonna say I'm arrogant, the same

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way that my brother said Trump was arrogant, and I'm like, dude,

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I like his arrogance. I don't care about that shitty tweets.

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I just know what the outcome of what I want.

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Then he said, well, Trump's not a successful businessman because

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you know, he had his univer his academy go under.

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And I'm like, dude, many people have businesses have failed, okay,

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many people has businesses at gone bankrupt or going out

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of business. You learn from every one of them, every

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one of them.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I said, you know, he said, well, name the

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any casino of his that have been successful, Like, I

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don't have to. If they closed the taj Mahall, they

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close the different ones down, I'm like, he just does

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something else. The man is a multi billionaire. It's got

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to be doing something right, so you know, there's so

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many and again, it really is the narrative of which

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network you watch right where you get that narrative. It

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was very clear that he does not watch Newsmax or

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even you know, Fox News. Okay, But at the end

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of the day, it's okay. It's okay to have your

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feelings and people that don't like something, it's perfectly okay.

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We can agree to disagree, go our separate ways. But

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I always say that I've got Democratic friends that I

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don't agree with their political position, but they're friends. We

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go out and we agree. We're not going to talk politics.

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We're just going to go out as friends. And I

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have some great friends that we go out and do that.

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I don't unfriend somebody just because they're politically that's not no,

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it's not.

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Speaker 2: How it works. But I have a low threshold for bullshit.

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Speaker 1: So when you send me stuff or whatever, I eat

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my brother when he says stuff that I disagree with,

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I'm like, that's that's not true. Where did you see that?

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Where'd you hear that? And then you know, we'll have

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it all. We'll discuss it, okay. And I got one

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brother who's just like me. We you know, a strong

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Trump supporter listens to both sides but really really really

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dig in to try to know the facts and really

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try to learn the facts. Uh, and so we're always

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ready to debate somebody on that type of thing. But

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it's in fun. I mean, we don't guess and get

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loud and evil. It's just in fun. So anyway, I

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kind of went off on a tangent. But the gentleman

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that's sent in that question, great question. I try to say,

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I don't care, and I don't care if it hurts

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somebody's feelings. I don't care. If they don't agree with

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my code interpretation, that's fine. You're not gonna change me,

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So don't waste your breath. It's your opinion. You're entitled

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to it. You're free to give your opinion on any of.

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Speaker 2: My social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: Where I draw the line is if you won try

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to dazzle me with bullshit, and that ain't gonna happen.

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And you know, because you're gonna have to come with it.

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You're gonna have to bring the code references because I'll

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always bring the code references, So you're gonna have to

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do that. But it's kind of like the backstab and recepting.

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My God, I get you know, that's one of those

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things where you look at these electric and I've been

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doing this for thirty five years and I've only ever

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seen problems with the backstabs, and then the other guy go,

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I've been doing it for the same amount of time,

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and I see I've seen mainly the screw. Everybody is

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entitled to their experience, but don't try to say that

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your experience is the only experience. I have been doing

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this for many years. The backstabbing isn't new. As a manufacturer,

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I would be involved in this. As an expert witness,

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I've involved in these type of things, been involved in

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large case with afcis up in Oklahoma, Okay, large case

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in New York where we were dealing with inspectors who

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were not doing inspections properly. I've been around. So if

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there was a major issue with backstabs, then don't you

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think the manufacturers you don't have to like them. I

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get it, you don't have to like them, and I

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respect that you just don't do it, but don't post

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it as if it's gospel right that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's got to be something wrong with those backstabs,

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because I've seen ten of up in the last fifteen

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years and like shut up, yeah, yeah, okay, So in

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your area, you got some pretty shitty electricians and they

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all keep doing it wrong.

474
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Right. They're probably pushing it in and pulling it back

475
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,960
out on devices that don't allow you to restab, or

476
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,880
they or it doesn't have a release built into it,

477
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,759
and you're just wiggling the hell out of it, you know,

478
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,599
loosening up the clamp inside of it, or you're doing something,

479
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,039
or you're trying to jam a twelve gauge into a

480
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,160
fifteen amp device and trying to jam it in that

481
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,880
little hole when it's only rated for fifteen amps and

482
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,440
can only use fourteen gauge. I don't know, but at

483
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,079
the end of the day, I've seen enough burn ups

484
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:47,240
where people don't wrap the screw properly, they don't torque

485
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,200
it properly, or they overtighten it and cause it to

486
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,400
strip out. Oh, it's tight until the conductor expands and

487
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,720
contracts due to thermal conditions and loading, and then it

488
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,079
gets loose, and then what do you have? You have

489
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,759
an arc that comes back and burns it down, and like, well,

490
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:03,480
I don't understand why that happened.

491
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: Shit just happens.

492
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: Every house that burns down, people go, oh god, it

493
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,599
was fine before it burnt down. Damn right it was

494
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,079
then all of a sudden it burnt down.

495
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: Shit happens.

496
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: It does. Everybody's looking for the the one thing to

497
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,759
say that this is the reason why.

498
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so you backstabbed.

499
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,519
Speaker 1: Oh we're gonna have the increased number of house fires,

500
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:26,480
goes of backstabbing.

501
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: God, that's so full of shit. That is so full

502
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,079
of shit.

503
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: If they were actually going to read for switches UL twenty,

504
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,440
for receptacles UL four ninety eight, if you actually were

505
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,279
to read it and see what testing's involved, do you

506
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,880
really think these manufacturers would want the liability.

507
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: No, they don't want the liability.

508
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Trusts me. I worked for an EMA. I was the

509
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:51,440
expert to all of the manufacturers in the South. They

510
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,359
do not want this liability. So there's a testing that

511
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000
goes on. Now that doesn't mean that you have to

512
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,279
like it. You don't like it, don't do it, but

513
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,799
don't try to taint other people's opinion of it, because

514
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,359
they haven't experienced like you, and you do taint them

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,960
when you say shit that you don't quantify, you do

516
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,359
taint them. And I'm not here. I had somebody post

517
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,519
one day in the comments they were like, what was it?

518
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,519
They were like, well, of course Paul's going to say

519
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,759
it because he's in the bed with the manufacturers. And

520
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,279
you obviously that dude has not listened to my podcast before.

521
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,079
You know, he's obviously never listened to anything that I

522
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480
put out there. That I have been blessed from day

523
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,519
one that working with the wiring cable manufacturer, that I

524
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:42,039
had a CEO that never once put in my head

525
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,680
to go to a meeting and try to push the

526
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:52,480
wiring cable agenda right and position our company over somebody else.

527
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,599
He always said to me, Paul, go to the meetings,

528
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,799
do the right thing, support our industry, support the other industries,

529
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,839
but always do the right thing. And that's what And

530
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,920
I've had I had that for eleven years, so, you know,

531
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,799
and I've served on committees that whole time. And so

532
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,319
when I hear people talk all that crap about well,

533
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,519
this guy's on a committee of this, most of the

534
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,920
people out there don't even know how the shit works.

535
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: They really don't.

536
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: They really think that the code making panel it just

537
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,359
sits there. A bunch of guys and gals sit in

538
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,160
a room and we decide that we're going to just

539
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,799
change the code. We're just going to Hey, I don't

540
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,559
like this, Hey, but I do. Hey, let's get this

541
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,519
into the code. They have no idea how it works. Now.

542
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:43,519
Do manufacturers have influence, Absolutely, of course they do. But

543
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720
sitting around the table, I'm going to rely on the experts.

544
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,680
And if I have somebody that's an expert in wiring

545
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,640
cable and they're very passionate about something and I have

546
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,319
no expertise in thathing, I'm gonna listen to what they say,

547
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,079
and if it makes sense and it supports the submitter

548
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,680
of the code propose the public input that comes in,

549
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,839
it supports it and the wire and they support it,

550
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
I'm going to look at it and go all the

551
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,559
wire guys support it, and they know their material, they

552
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,039
know it better than anybody, then I'm probably gonna go

553
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:14,480
with them.

554
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: And that's what happens in those meetings.

555
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: So the miscons there's so much misconception out there about

556
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,079
what happens, and everybody wants to throw the codebook under

557
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,920
the bus and say that, oh, it's just manufacturers. It's

558
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960
just manufacturers. You don't realize how much of an idiot

559
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,640
you look like without look without saying you're an idiot,

560
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:37,200
because you really don't know how it works. And that's

561
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,640
obviously going to offend some people. Now, again, does a

562
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,400
manufacturer have influence. Absolutely. You got fifteen to twenty people

563
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,920
at a table, and the vast majority of them aren't

564
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,599
experts in some specific area that's being discussed. But the

565
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,440
experts are and they happen to represent a manufacturer, and

566
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,839
and they're talking about this is what happened with gfcies

567
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,559
in AFCIS. By the way, so you have all this expansion,

568
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,480
Sure GFCIs can save lives. Sure AFCI technology can save lives.

569
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,160
At the end of the day, when you're in a

570
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,640
room and you're listening to experts constantly pushing you know,

571
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,039
all we other range needs to be GFCI, or the

572
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:22,720
microwave needs to be GFCI, or this, or the stove

573
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,559
needs to be do that, Nobody's going to question them.

574
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,119
That's a problem, right, But that's influence. That's not co

575
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,519
panel people just sitting around. That's influence. And you're never

576
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,799
going to get rid of influence because we need the

577
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,079
experts sitting at the table. Now, the moral compass of

578
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,359
that expert is where I question. Sometimes I'm like, dude,

579
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,000
I could never sit there and argue about something. Let

580
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,759
me give you an example. Two cycles ago, I was

581
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,039
arguing the use of PVC jacketed MC for use to

582
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,160
the swimming pool applications, and I was getting such massive

583
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:09,480
pushback from people, one namely because they didn't understand that

584
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:14,440
PVC is very resistant to corrosive conditions, and that on

585
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,880
the on the scale of corrosion resistance it's very high,

586
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:23,839
and that they argued, argued, argued against it to where

587
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,440
the wording is basically as long as the you know,

588
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,000
when you go look at MC cable, it says and

589
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,880
the use is permitted, use is not permitted if it's

590
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,799
impervious jacket. And it's again, we put themost impervious jacket

591
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:43,680
on it, that it is okay for corrosive condition. So

592
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,480
you had the Committee Code Panel seventeen. You had to

593
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,000
I had to argue it, and they still wouldn't listen.

594
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,400
And you're saying, oh, Paul, you have influence. I do,

595
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,599
but they still didn't listen to me. Because it ended

596
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,039
up being other people that were in like the pool

597
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:03,319
and swimming industry, swimming pool industry and whatnot. We're arguing

598
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,359
against it, and they were arguing stuff they know nothing about,

599
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,759
but they were arguing it because it was me trying

600
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,519
to do it, and they felt it was me trying

601
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:15,519
to push it because I manufacture PVC jacketed MC no.

602
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,279
I never pushed it to push my product over somebody else's.

603
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,400
I didn't care everybody's product. Everybody that makes PVC jacketed

604
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,599
mc cable could do it because the standard stated, okay,

605
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200
fifteen sixty nine that you had the option to print

606
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
on it that it's you for its use for swimming

607
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,519
pool pump motors for example, had it had that option,

608
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440
but it didn't require you to do that, didn't require

609
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,359
you to put that language on there. So we were

610
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,559
arguing that, you know, for eons, PVC has been installed

611
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,680
in those environments and it's perfectly fine.

612
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Not a problem.

613
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: You mean, you're allowing liquid type to be in there,

614
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,079
not a problem. So it was a battle. It was

615
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,759
a fight, and again people will argue with that's just

616
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:10,000
Paul trying to fight it to support his you know,

617
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,960
the company he works for. But you had to understand

618
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,359
that I wasn't pushing it is a product that already

619
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,279
has been used. All we were doing is trying to

620
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,319
sure make people aware. How about that make people aware

621
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:30,279
that PVC is very resistant to corrosive conditions and the impervious

622
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,119
jacket for use in a wet location. And then when

623
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,880
you go look at the rules in three point thirty

624
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,960
dot twelve, for example, it had an allowance it said,

625
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,400
you know what if it has an impervious jacket on

626
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160
it that can go in these locations, then it could

627
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,240
go in those you know outside in the ground. People

628
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:56,680
argued was a corrosive environment. And so our argument on

629
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,799
seventeen was that, you know, we're talking about pool chemicals

630
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,279
around the pool, and how would that affect the PVC material. Well,

631
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,159
it won't affect the PVC material. That was just it.

632
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,440
Think about it, most of the same chemicals are used

633
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,119
in the pools with a vinyl liner that is much

634
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,400
thinner than the required sheathing or protective jacketing on an

635
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:25,360
MC cable. It's usually much thicker than that stuff. Or

636
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,079
think about it, all of the pool equipment's plastic, majority

637
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,760
of the pumps, the filters, things like that, housings are

638
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,079
all that are in contact with the word are all plastic? Well,

639
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,880
then it was well what about the fumes? Well, shit,

640
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,079
people in the pool room, half your panels have plastic

641
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,320
breakers in them. They're not sealed, so it You know,

642
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,880
it took all that to point out the obvious to people.

643
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,320
But if you don't have the experts in the room,

644
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,400
you're never gonna get to the end. And they still

645
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,280
fought like tooth and nail to try to keep PVC

646
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,760
jacketed MC out of the application. We had to fight it,

647
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,119
and it wasn't for one manufacturer. It was for everybody

648
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,760
to have options. Electricians to have many options to do this.

649
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,360
That's the reason we pushed for it, not because of

650
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,559
when we were already selling shitloads of PVC jacketed MC.

651
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: It didn't matter.

652
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I can always always have an argument to say why

653
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,639
PVC jacketed MC can be used. I can fight that

654
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,440
with any HG in the country. Because of how it's listed,

655
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,480
what it's in the listing fifteen sixty nine, what it

656
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,719
says in three point thirty dot twelve way it's written

657
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,199
in six point eighty so I never had a problem

658
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,760
with it, and I was one hundred percent effective in

659
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000
explaining this to jurisdictions. So as you can see, I

660
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,280
had influence and I still could not, for you know,

661
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,840
make it a slam dunk. I still had opposition to it.

662
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,599
So don't think that that's what it works. A manufacturer

663
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,239
just walk in and get things done. If that's how

664
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,320
you believe it, then you are sorely ignorant to how

665
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,400
code development is. But can they have influence? Absolutely so anyway,

666
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,840
I don't know how I got on that topic, but

667
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,519
I hopefully answer the question for the gentleman. I just

668
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,840
let it go. And again, I just don't let people

669
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,239
say things in the comments. I just I just block

670
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,039
them or I'll never make it through. I don't let

671
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,880
them bother me. I realize that there's a world of ignorance.

672
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,400
I get that question every now and then. It says

673
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,639
why you try to be like Mike cold. You know,

674
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,239
that's the one that I laugh at the most because

675
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
I served with Mike Cole as an expert on one

676
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,920
of his committees, and I know Mike, and I look

677
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,599
at this and I go, why is there only can

678
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,119
you be only one educator?

679
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 2: Is there only one allowed to have one educator?

680
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 1: In the world is that it. I am vastly different

681
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,960
than Mike. I am way I like Mike. I'm way

682
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,800
more proachable than Mike. I do podcasts, I do videos,

683
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,280
I respond on social media. I answer my own questions

684
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,719
on our forums. Differently, I am very interactive with people.

685
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,840
I don't people to a forum and let other people

686
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,360
answer their questions. I answer it, I put my name

687
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,280
on it, I sign it. Okay, that type of thing

688
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,800
I serve on code panels, those type of things so

689
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,679
vastly different. But everybody says you want to be like

690
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,280
somebody else. I said, dude, I've been doing this for

691
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,400
almost thirty nine years. I don't need to be like

692
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,840
anybody but myself. That's me. But I'm flattered. If you

693
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
think that I'm trying to be somebody else, then I

694
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,159
must have struck a nerve with you, because I must

695
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,280
be very similar to somebody else. But at the end

696
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,760
of the day, dude, we have all kinds of great educators.

697
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Ryan Jackson's a great educator, Mike's a great educator, and

698
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,880
we have so many people. Charles Miller's a great educator,

699
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,159
Keith Laughlin's a great educator. Okay, Marty Schumacher is a

700
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:51,360
great educator. Okay, we have so many good educators out

701
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,159
there that at the end of the day, everybody's just

702
00:37:56,159 --> 00:38:00,239
doing their own thing. But I don't get offended. Don't

703
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,559
bother me, I know, different than I think somebody were

704
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,079
to say to Ryan, were you trying to be a

705
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,079
Paul Abernathy. I don't think Ryan would care. He would say, no,

706
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,599
I'm trying to be Ryan. I'm trying to do my

707
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,280
own thing. So anyway, at the end of the day,

708
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,159
it's hilarious what people will say and do and think

709
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,320
that things bother you, and people say, well, why do

710
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,679
you let it bother you? It doesn't, But I like

711
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,199
keeping them riled up. I like the I'm like Trump,

712
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,239
I like the tit for tat, and so I try

713
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,679
to not let it taint my social media streams. But

714
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,800
other than that, I'm usually sitting back laughing. I really

715
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,280
usually am. And if it comes off that I'm upset,

716
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,599
trust me, I'm not just the way I you know, uh,

717
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,199
maybe I'm a good actor that type of thing. I

718
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,480
don't know. Anyway, I find it hilarious. Anyway, folks, I'm

719
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
gonna let you go. I hope everybody had a wonderful

720
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,000
Christmas and get set up for a wonderful new year.

721
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Make some money. If you're getting into business first time,

722
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,760
get at it. Do things right. Get all your licenses,

723
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,000
get all your insurances, get everything you need, do it right.

724
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,960
Start slow, don't try to do things that you're not

725
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,079
familiar with yet. Get you know, tip your dip your

726
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,159
toe in a little bit before you just go balls

727
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,199
to the wall and build it up. Build something to

728
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,320
be proud of. And if you're working for somebody, try

729
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,480
to be the best employee you can. Help your boss succeed,

730
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,800
help that company succeed. You'll get noticed, and my hope

731
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,079
is he'll return the love. All right, all right, folks,

732
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,280
that's all I got. Hopefully you got something out of

733
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,639
this episode. Again. Hope everybody had a merry Christmas and

734
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,239
a happy new yearn Til next time, Stay safe and

735
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,239
remember join me every morning from eight am till nine

736
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,320
am Eastern Time for our coffee Hour with Paul. It's

737
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,280
available on our YouTube channel which is at Master the

738
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,360
NEC and it's also available on fast tracks tube dot

739
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,800
com for free. You'll see the link. You just click

740
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,519
on it and you can watch it from there as well.

741
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,320
But occasionally I also stream on our Facebook page as

742
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,960
well as our LinkedIn channel, so you might catch it

743
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,800
there as well. But the best place to watch it

744
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
is on our YouTube channel or over on our fast

745
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,519
tracks tube that's fast tracks tube dot com or if

746
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:27,880
you like it, fasttrackstv dot com or electriciantube dot com,

747
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,559
whatever your flavor. Anyway, until next time, folks, stay safe,

748
00:40:31,920 --> 00:41:03,360
God bless we'll catch you on an upcoming episode. Oh