WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.520 In seventeen oh eight, so the story goes, a great 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.759 ship called the Concordia was wrecked on the coast of Australia, 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:10.359 with ninety survivors going inland and founding a colony in 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.560 Central Australia. In eighteen thirty four, the Leeds Mercury newspaper 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:18.480 published a story about a British Army expedition that had 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.839 come across the survivors, and an eighteen fifty one Dutch 7 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:25.559 magazine told of a British sea captain recounting a tale 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:29.000 of carrying passengers that had met a Dutch colony living 9 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:32.799 in a primitive manner. Dutch DNA found in modern native 10 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:37.079 people from the area, European style cave paintings encountered by 11 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:41.759 early explorers, and native women with Old Testament names encountered 12 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:46.240 by early missionaries all make this story intriguing. Thirty years 13 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:49.640 after the Leeds Mercury report, there was no trace of 14 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.479 any colony, if they existed at all, they had disappeared 15 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:57.119 entirely from Central Australia. All we are left with is 16 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:01.880 fragmented and tantalizing pieces of information that may or may 17 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.680 not inform that this story is true. So should we 18 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.959 believe it? It is intriguing, perhaps to some even compelling, 19 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.680 but should it be convincing? The pursuit of truth is 20 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.680 very important, and how we assess the evidence and form 21 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:21.200 our conclusions is a matter of discussion. Are we being biased? 22 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.480 Are we motivated by the story being true? Does the 23 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:28.280 evidence sufficiently support the claim? The great thing about the 24 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:32.200 above story is that it would rewrite Australian history if 25 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:37.200 it were true, and yet it hasn't convinced historians. Imagine 26 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.959 if those historians hadn't only got those scraps of evidence, 27 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.319 but had been brought up in a culture and society 28 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.879 where tradition helds that the story was true, and believe 29 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.760 in that story had influenced in shape society where in 30 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:55.280 every city there was a monument to the colonists and 31 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.719 holidays were organized around the alleged dates of the shipwreck 32 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:02.079 and encounters with them. Would they be more inclined to 33 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.760 believe it if they were steeped in a tradition that 34 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.799 it was true. I think yes, And I think that's 35 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:11.400 what persuades many religious people their faith is true. Not 36 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:15.240 that the fragmented evidence is sufficient to infer it is true, 37 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.680 but the tradition has told them that it is true. 38 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.840 If you disagree, give us a call because the show 39 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:32.879 is about to begin. Hello, Hello, welcome everyone. Today is 40 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.840 May the eleventh, twenty twenty five. I'm your host, Richard Jilber, 41 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:41.479 and with me today is a very surprise host, Aaron Jensen. 42 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.560 How are you, Aaron, I'm well, a surprise, I'm here. 43 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:45.159 I made it. 44 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.719 Yeah, we brought you in at last minute. Unfortunately Dan 45 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.800 couldn't make it, and you were very kindly on hand 46 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:57.000 to step in. So we are going to hopefully have 47 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.240 a good one. We're going to get some fist calls in, 48 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.080 and we're going to get some evidence for God's existence. 49 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.560 Surely we are day. 50 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.000 It's Mother's Day here in the United States. So what 51 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.719 better day then to bring out evidence for God than 52 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:11.560 on Mother's Day. 53 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:14.759 Bring your mother as well and let her give us evidence. Yeah, 54 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:16.080 that don't even make sense. 55 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:17.439 I don't know what I'm talking about. 56 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.639 Talk Keithen is a production of the Atheist Community of 57 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.560 us in, a five h one c three nonprofit organization 58 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.280 which is dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, 59 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.400 secular humanism, and the separation of religion and government. Talk 60 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.960 Keithen is a life calling show and we have open lines, 61 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.639 so get your calls in at five one two nine 62 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.919 nine one nine two four two all from your computer 63 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:45.840 at tiny dot c c slash call t H. But 64 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.319 of course, before we do that, we're going to do 65 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.599 what we normally do and go in for the question 66 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.039 of the week. Let's welcome Eli to take it away. 67 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.000 Hey, uh, yes, so it's time for our hot Heathen 68 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.319 to me segments. We're we into you the question. Last 69 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:05.159 week we asked you rewrite a scripture using modern slang 70 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.159 on Here are the top three angel answer is chosen 71 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.919 by Johnny p Angel Number three Miranda Rensberger Revelation twenty 72 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:17.639 two fourteen from nrsvue. Blessed are those who wash their 73 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.560 robe so that they will have the right to the 74 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.319 tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 75 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.279 Modern slang version, Yo, smell check bra you on your 76 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.839 last chance? Undis or what you best mow the laundry 77 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.600 if you want to hang around here, because don't no 78 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.639 one want you around? And that's thank asspit. 79 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.480 Laundry. I that's that's a new approach to doing the line. 80 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.360 I haven't heard, I have never mowed my laundry before. 81 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.759 Also give that a try. I've never heard mo before. 82 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.680 I seem to think it wouldn't last, you know, but 83 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:49.120 I'll give. 84 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.839 Yeah and yeah, that's the only time you can Number 85 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.079 two from stealing time at work. A fool lip doth 86 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.360 funk around and his mouth invites him to find out 87 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.839 Proverbs eighteen six. I like that one a lot. 88 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.319 That's opera po to kind of what's going on here 89 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.480 in the United States is like, okay, this is what 90 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.399 this is what we get now? 91 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:17.399 Right? 92 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:24.040 Hm? Topical I guess is number one from Alan tenor 93 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:26.439 modern slang Bible verse. 94 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:27.839 NGL. 95 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.199 Not gonna lie that apple over there really slaps, but 96 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.160 if you door dash one, you'll literally get unalived in 97 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.000 a hot minute, no cap. 98 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.160 I like the unlive. I think is the best part 99 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.160 of that is you know, with all the YouTube videos 100 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.439 and filtering that the platforms do unliving and other words 101 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.480 that people come up with the replace whereas that they 102 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:49.000 can't use. 103 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.879 Right, So I'd be glad that you did tell as 104 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:55.439 what NGL men, because I had no idea being incredible. 105 00:05:57.879 --> 00:05:58.079 Man. 106 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.360 Yeah, Now that was just for me to demonstrate that 107 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:04.759 I knew basically, like like I'm I'm like old enough 108 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:06.720 for people to think I'm too old to talk like that, 109 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.040 so I'm like, I still get it though. So the 110 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.240 problemt for next week is how do you know when 111 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.399 you've overstayed you're welcome at Bible study? Aaron, do you 112 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:19.439 have an answer for this one? 113 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.079 Usually I know I've overstayed my welcome when the lights 114 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.279 go out. That's you want to know it's time to 115 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:30.319 wrap things up. Their deaths, they are just gone. You know, 116 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.600 they've talked themselves into bed, they're asleep. That's usually when 117 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.319 I know I've overstayed my welcome. That's a pretty good indicator. Yeah, 118 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:38.920 fair enough. 119 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.360 Well, my niece, she's grown up now with two children, 120 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:50.279 but we took her to a Bible study ones. They 121 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.000 were playing in the sunfit during this Bible so that 122 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:57.920 they this little out wooden figures in the sunfeit representing 123 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.480 different tribes of Israel, and it sweeps them all up 124 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.360 with the hands. This was the first time she'd ever 125 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.439 been to any church service of any kind whatsoever. She 126 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.959 sweeps them all up in the hand, stood up, held 127 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.680 their arms aloft, threw them to the ground, and just 128 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.240 shouted out, I am God. I am going to kill you. 129 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.439 That is one way to get out of any Bible studies. 130 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.040 Let me tell you, I know I lived it. 131 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.560 That's amazing. Maybe this isn't the best fit for you. 132 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.079 Yeah, these are both really good. 133 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.800 Just what's in the Bible? I mean kind of I'm 134 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:38.959 sure we can find a Bible story too where that's 135 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:40.240 kind of happening. Yeah. 136 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.399 Yeah, once you imitate God, I think they're ready for 137 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:42.920 you to leave. 138 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:45.360 So yes, that is definitely true. 139 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.199 So we're anxious to see what the audience comes up with. 140 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.079 In the comments section, give us your best answers and 141 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.600 tune in next week to see the top three. And 142 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.279 I'm gonna dip out. You guys have a good show. 143 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.000 Thanks, thank you very much. Yeah, it's of course, it's 144 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.639 not just us and Eli who make this thing happen. 145 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.160 We do have a crew as well. As much as 146 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.319 it pains me to say so, they do do a 147 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.680 good job and deserve some accreditation for that. So let's 148 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:13.600 have a look at them. There. 149 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:15.439 They are. 150 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.439 Bad eyes on one or two of those people, and 151 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:26.240 they know why Wales it has not been forgotten. So 152 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.079 while we're waiting for calls to come in, it is 153 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.720 mother's day, But that is not an excuse not to 154 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.399 call theists. I want to just I want to just 155 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.960 remind the people on the Talk Heathen, on the eighth 156 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:44.000 Community of Austin facebook page, and on the Atheist Community 157 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:48.600 of Austin TikTok, and on my own TikTok page, and 158 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.879 on the Atheist Community of Austin what's that on the 159 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.720 Instagram page that's the one, all the pages, all these 160 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:02.840 platforms where I have have interacted with religious people who 161 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:08.039 have been down like slagging off our show and commenting 162 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.559 on our videos and saying that the hosts don't know 163 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.000 what they're talking about, the hosts are wrong, and have 164 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:18.480 extended the invitation to call. Please do call. Don't just 165 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:23.919 sit there doing nothing, don't just sit there, you know, 166 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.759 being keyboard warriors. And I'm going to use that term 167 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:28.480 because that is what a lot of these people are. 168 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.600 The repeat commenters. You know, there's people on our YouTube 169 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.919 videos who will preach week in week out on every 170 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.360 single video we make, and I'm constantly telling them preaching 171 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.200 is the least likely thing you can do to convince 172 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.080 me that God exists. If you want me to be 173 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.000 convinced that God exists, bring arguments, bring evidence. That's the 174 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.360 thing that will convince me. In fact, if all you're 175 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:55.799 going to do is preach at me, that tells me 176 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.840 that you don't have good reasons to believe that God exists, 177 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.840 You don't have good arguments, that you don't have any evidence, 178 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.200 and that, for me, is a sure sign that you 179 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.519 don't know what you're talking about. So don't just sit 180 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.519 there tapping away your keyboard. Come in and talk to 181 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.120 us directly. We're not going to buy it's you know, 182 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.919 we're not going to shout at you. We want good conversations. 183 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.679 And with that, we do have a call. Excuse me, 184 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.840 we do have a call ready to go. We're going 185 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.519 to talk to buddy, who says he respects the Pope 186 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.399 and was prompted to call via the poll. So let's 187 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.559 have a talk to buddy. Hey, buddy, how are you? 188 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.039 Hey, how's it going? Richard? 189 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:39.039 Very well? 190 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:40.000 Thank you? How are you? 191 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:42.720 I'm doing the best I can? 192 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.360 Good? Good. So do you tell us in your own words, 193 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:47.720 what is you want to talk about? 194 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:48.960 Well, I. 195 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.679 Joined the stream, and I saw the poll and I 196 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.759 voted on it, and I'm one of the few people 197 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:07.360 that was like, yes, I do respect the new Pope's views, 198 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.840 even though I am an atheist and all of that. 199 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:18.399 I just wanted to see how you guys feel about that. 200 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.480 Okay, So I'm not going to light here. I'm not 201 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:23.240 familiar with the new Pope. I don't know what his 202 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.639 views are. So if you could lay some of those 203 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.200 out for me, and like, give us what you're thinking 204 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.480 the kind of the best not just the best example 205 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.120 of his views are, but the best example of his 206 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:40.840 putting his views into action and kind of influences influencing 207 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.320 his flock to do the same. If you have an 208 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.840 example of that, have me just I think we may 209 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.200 have had a couple of technical problems, but are you there? 210 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.399 Oh goodness, I keep I keep getting bounced back and 211 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.879 forth between you and the call screen. 212 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.240 I apologize, So I don't know what how and that 213 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.919 if you can, if you can give us an example, buddy, 214 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.519 of what you think the kind of the best of 215 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:11.360 the Pope's views are, but not just his opinion on them, 216 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.759 but how he's actually influenced his flock into acting in 217 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.720 such a way that represents these views that you're consider good. 218 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:28.759 So they're My personal view is that the new Pope 219 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:34.120 is going to have to do a transitional period between 220 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:41.240 his papacy and uh, the previous pope, and that's that's 221 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.600 going to be interesting to see how it goes, especially 222 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.039 because Ship what was his. 223 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.759 Name, Francis Francis. 224 00:12:52.080 --> 00:13:01.120 Uh, he was a very staunch supporter of UH regressive views. 225 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:06.200 And I'm very interested to see how the new guy does, 226 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:13.360 especially being an American born or American native. 227 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.000 Quote unquote quote. 228 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.679 That's going to be interesting. But he has given enough 229 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:26.919 pushback to stuff that I can't necessarily speak to knowing 230 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:32.240 the nature of the channel, but I'm interested to see 231 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:37.720 what he does and just what the nuance that he 232 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:38.440 brings to it. 233 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.559 Yeah, I'll give them the benefit of the data first, 234 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.759 and hopefully he can solve some problems that the Catholic 235 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.279 Church has. You know, rampant sexual abuse is very much 236 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:49.559 still a problem in the church, and they haven't seemed 237 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.240 to be doing anything about it. I think that's the 238 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.879 biggest problem that I would expect. I would hope any 239 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:55.559 pope is going to solve that. That should be their number 240 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.080 one priority is protecting kids, So I hopefully he gets 241 00:13:59.080 --> 00:13:59.799 on that really quick. 242 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:04.120 One of the one of the primary ones that is 243 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:06.759 on what I would like to see happen. 244 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.960 Is just the abuse. Has he made any comment regarding 245 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.519 that in the past that you know of it? Has 246 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.120 what has been his opinion on that abuse? Then that's 247 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:18.759 taken place? 248 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:25.279 Oh oh, just the the way that the church has 249 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:34.679 buried the treatment of you know, minors and younger people in. 250 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.600 The church, condemning it, I would like to see brought 251 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:40.840 to light. But has it Has it made comment on 252 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.440 these previously that you know of? Uh? 253 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:51.879 I am honestly not terribly uh well aware of any 254 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:58.080 of their positions, but I would be very much interested 255 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.240 in seeing how this gets addressed. 256 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.720 Yes, so what is it specifically? 257 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:04.919 Then? 258 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.840 What is it? What is it specifically said that has 259 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.360 kind of media rather than just kind of appearing to 260 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:16.039 be progressive. What has he specifically said that's kind of 261 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.639 led you to think this guy could be a good pope. 262 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.039 He's very progressive. He might kind of change out the 263 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.879 shape of the church moving forward. 264 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:29.480 And to be perfectly honest, I don't know. He's very 265 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:36.679 recently been put into this position. Ultimately it's up to 266 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:42.080 him to make that move. But at the same point, 267 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.840 what I have seen so far is that he's said 268 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:55.120 stuff that makes an orange person quite upset with. 269 00:15:55.200 --> 00:16:01.200 That, it is upset in somebody who's in power, regardless 270 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.840 of that political spin. Is that enough to kind of 271 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:09.320 give us confidence that the guy is actually progressive and 272 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.840 may make changes for the for the positive what we 273 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:16.240 would consider positive from a kind of perspective of humanism. 274 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:20.759 That's that's a very good question. It's it's not a 275 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:26.799 great baseline, but as in as an overall it's it's 276 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.759 a good place to start. And specifically, like if you've 277 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:35.759 been outside, outside is a very scary place recently. 278 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.600 Yeah, so I was gonna ask the same question that 279 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.919 Richard asked us. Just because you upset the orange one, 280 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:46.120 doesn't does that make you qualified for people to listen 281 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.759 to you? And I would say, you know, probably not. 282 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.279 You know, I really want to see a pope, uh, 283 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.759 progressive maybe not be the right word that is going 284 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.279 to appreciate that people would appreciate that aren't atheists, but 285 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.720 someone who's going to let people love they want to love, 286 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.799 who's going to let people live their lives that they 287 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.839 want to live, whether it's Catholic or Christian or not. 288 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.920 That he's going to preach what I think are the 289 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.119 most important things that Jesus taught that to love one 290 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.559 another and to serve your neighbor, and to love your 291 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.359 neighbor and to help other people that are around you. 292 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.880 And I hope that he doesn't continue to I shouldn't 293 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:20.519 say continue, but I hope that he doesn't try to 294 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:27.920 double down on intolerance and on the historical, you know, 295 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.799 ideologies Christianity where things have the dogmatic aspect, where things 296 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.400 have to be a certain way, and that he can 297 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.400 lead people to be more loving and more accepting of 298 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.039 the people around them. That's what I'd like to see 299 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.079 from a pope, for any religious leader, honestly. 300 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.960 Yeah, And that's that's exactly the kind of things that 301 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:50.400 I hope he would do. But he's just getting started, 302 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.920 so we still got to give him a little bit 303 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.240 of leeway to do what he's going to do, and 304 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.039 hopefully it's going to be a good thing. 305 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.480 Hopefully, I hope it is. 306 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.000 I'm not going to lie. I'm not confident. 307 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:13.039 Beyond that that beyond that will be proper for the 308 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.200 after show, So I will let you guys get on 309 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.119 to another color. 310 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:20.799 All right, Okay, but thanks for your call. We appreciate it. 311 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:27.960 I think for me, I think it's we are. I 312 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.480 think for me it's important to kind of get this 313 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.920 this idea of progressive. You know, what does that actually mean? 314 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.759 You know, just just making noises about someone being progressive 315 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:45.000 doesn't demonstrate for me that we've got, you know, a 316 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.559 progressive guy coming in who's going to make a real, 317 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.599 real difference to things that will have to be shown 318 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.920 out in his actions. And the Catholic Church, from my 319 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.400 understanding of there's you know, there's many, many denominations of Christianity, 320 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.359 like Church is not up there with the most progressive 321 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.599 of them. And I think, you know, coming in you 322 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.920 upset in the apple car in an in an organization 323 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:16.640 such as that, Being progressive in an organization such as 324 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.279 that might be a long way off what I would 325 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:24.079 consider being a progressive person. Aaron, what do you think 326 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:24.319 on that? 327 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:27.400 No, I totally agree. I think you're going to be 328 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:29.759 the organization that you're a part of can only let 329 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.200 you be so progressive. There's a there's a factor in 330 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.960 the Catholic Church and how progressive you can be. I 331 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:36.519 used to be Mormon, and it's the same thing in 332 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.000 the Mormon Church. No matter how progressive somebody a leader 333 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.200 in the Mormon Church wants to be. There's only so 334 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.839 much the church, the other leaders that you have to 335 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.559 work with. I'm the same with the pope. He may 336 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.559 want to make sweeping changes, but he's he's still going 337 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.240 to be responsible to be held to come up by 338 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.359 the other cardinals, by the other members of the church. 339 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.599 And if you get too progressive, you may lose members, 340 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.920 and then there's butts and seeds and so I hate 341 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:03.799 to say it, but if you're sitting at the top, 342 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.000 it's a it's a calculus that you have to do. 343 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.480 How progressive can I be and still maintain our power, 344 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:13.000 our influence. Our butts and seeds are tithying those kinds 345 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:13.559 of things. 346 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:19.160 Unfortunately, Yeah, I agree with you, So let's let's swiftly 347 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.640 move on. 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Yeah, 371 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.279 do do do. Let me have a look. 372 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.759 We don't have any superchats yet. I must say I'm 373 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.000 kind of disappointed that we don't have any superchats yet. 374 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:00.640 Come on, people were there that? Oh is that at 375 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.680 super Chat? Watch Chris Conspiracy, biggest cover up in two 376 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.559 thousand years. I have no idea what that is? Never 377 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:07.799 heard of? 378 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.839 I have not seen it. 379 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.839 Did we just give someone some free screen time. 380 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.599 That Hey, they send us two dollars. It's not free, 381 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:19.400 they paid for it. 382 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.559 Yes, I guess we're two thousand dollars for christ Spiracy. 383 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:27.400 It's a groundbreaking documentary revealing the biggest cover up in 384 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:34.480 two thousand years. Okay, yeah, very interesting. Okay, well, thank 385 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:35.359 you for that super chat. 386 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:40.240 Yeah, I think we might having a couple of technical difficulties. 387 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:43.200 I'm going to try and take the next call. Let's 388 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:47.359 see if we can do it. Yes, yes, Michelle, have 389 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.960 we got you? Michelle? Are you there? No? I don't 390 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.920 believe we do it. I've having a couple of technical difficulties. 391 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.880 Just bear with me one second. Well, we try and 392 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.559 soort this out. And in the meantime, Aaron, let's talk 393 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:10.160 about what some people have said about me. Oh I 394 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:15.319 have I was apparently criticizing religious people for being intolerant 395 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:20.000 of the LBGTQ community, and someone responded to that saying, 396 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:24.599 none of what I listed is objectively wrong in atheism. 397 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.839 I am assuming that they think that there is nothing 398 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:33.759 that can be objectively wrong because atheism has no ground 399 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:38.240 for objective morality, And in response to that, I would say, 400 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:43.599 listen here, cupcake, nobody has any grands for objective morality. 401 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.559