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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Harsani's senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email us, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

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love to hear from you. Has it got Molly? Where

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are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm in New York, and I do want to apologize

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for the twenty minutes I spent trying to set up

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my microphone and failing, so I hope everyone can hear me.

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And but yeah, I'm in New York doing some stuff

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for Fox this week, and also a not a debate,

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but like a discussion with Doug Shown, who's a Democrat

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pollster and strategist type.

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Speaker 1: That'd be interesting. Let's first start with I think the

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big news this week was Vance's speech Munich for this

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Munich Security Council. Correct, so he basically attacked Europe, right,

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I mean, you know, I wouldn't say an attack on Europe.

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He said that really the main danger, or the central

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danger is from within, not from without. So I think

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he's speaking about Russia probably and even China. He's saying

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that the two main reasons are censorship and mass immigration, right,

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is that fair to say?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think the censorship component was partly about

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freedom of speech. It was also about freedom of religion

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and attacks on freedom of religion. But everyone goes to

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this Munich security conference for back paths and everyone being

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told that what we're doing is great. And so for

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the last several years it's all been about how Russia

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is an existential threat to the rest of the world

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and now we all need to fight this proxy war

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in Ukraine if we love democracy, and so he goes

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and he says, so, if you love democracy, you need

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to start respecting elections. He mentions the Romanian election that

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they just decided not to accept based on a very

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flimsy claim that turned out not to be true of

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Russian interference. There was a sort of election interference in Romania,

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but it came from like a third party that thought

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they were playing the system very well and it turned

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out to backfire against them. And then he talks about,

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you know, the threat of censorship restrictions on speech and

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it wasn't to me an attack on Europe. Since he

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also was pointing out that much of what had been

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done had been done with either the TACIT approval or

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the support of the United States. It was really an

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attack on illiberalism in Western democracies. I took it that way.

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Speaker 1: Well. One of the for me it was I wrote

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a book called Eurotrash a few years ago where I

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went over a lot of these problems I think in

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some depth, and I obviously agreed with the central focus

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of his speech. Though the pushback was ridiculous, and the

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pushback came from European elites. One guy I think it

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was some kind of German under secretary. Actually it was

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like tearing up whilst talking about this. I don't know

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if you saw that. I also have to say I was.

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Speaker 2: Doing TV yesterday with Rich Lowry and Randon Divine, and

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when they showed that, we all spontaneously laughed at the

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tears because, of course, that German dude was the same

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one who mocked and laughed at Trump's UN speech when

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he said that Germany should care about energy independence, and

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of course he was right after somebody we don't know

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precisely whom blew up the Nord Stream to pipeline, which

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really put Germany in a world of hurt. So nobody

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was laughing.

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Speaker 1: Then let's talk about the censorship part of it. So

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here the next day or two days later, maybe I

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forget exactly. Mark or reviews being interviewed by Margaret Brennan

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on CBS News and she asks him or she it's

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not even asking. She points out that Advance was standing.

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This is quote standing in a country where free speech

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was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with

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the head of a political party that has far right

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views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context

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of that was changing the tone of it. I don't

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know what that means. And then she ends with this,

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and you know that the censorship was specifically about the right.

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A lot of people zoomed in, I think rightly on

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the claim that free speech was weaponized to conduct genocide. Now,

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Marco Ruby immediately pointed out that there was no free

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speech in Nazi Germany. There was no political opposition in

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Nazi Germany. But what he should have also pointed out,

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obviously he didn't expect such idiocy I assume in this

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interview was that the Weimer Republic, which preceded the Third Reich,

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also had all kinds of hate speech laws on the

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books that they shut down the newspapers of the Nazis.

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ten years. The propagandists of the Nazi Party were arrest

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did constantly, and it did nothing. It made the martyrs

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and just showered attention on them. And I'm not saying

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this right wing German party today is the same as

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the Nazi, but I'm just saying that that also is

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Speaker 2: So anyway, well, just to take a step away from

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the Munich thing, I've been thinking about this as it

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relates to domestic politics. There are all these reports of

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the Democrat Party and disarray and people the Democrat donors

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are very frustrated with what they got for their billions

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of dollars they gave in the last election to achieve

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very poor results. And I think part of it is

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because we reached the limit of their political activism. And

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what I mean is they built this censorship complex that

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was helping Democrats a lot. People have noted that Donald

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Trump's genius as he picks the eighty percent side of

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eighty twenty issues, you know where eighty percent of Americans are,

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He's there. Well, that's what's been true for the right

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for a long time is that they generally are with

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the majority of the country. So why have they been

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losing so many elections. I think it's because the media

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take that twenty percent and they weaponize it. To use

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Margaret Brennan's favorite word, you know, they act like, they

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act like they're a majority, no matter how radical the issue.

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about what trans radicalism is, you know. And so it

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all worked really well to keep Democrats in power and

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to thwart the will of the electorate for decades, and

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then something happened recently where we finally reached the end

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of that and the media no longer have credibility, and

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so they kind of got hoisted by their own censorship petard,

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their own information complex petard, and they're not able to

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achieve the results that they kind of thought would happen

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in perpetuity. I don't know if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it makes sense. I just one quick thing

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about what she said at the end that people haven't

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really pointed out that much as far as I've seen,

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was that she says to Mark Rubert, and you know,

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this was specifically about the right. This wasn't just about centience,

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was about the right. Well, is it the right the

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only political movement that is a danger to freedom? Because

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I think the left is as big a danger. In fact,

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I think that the illiberalism of European, of the EU

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and others is a leftist kind of you know, it's

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not that simple, but I think it comes from the left,

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not the right. For the most part. To me, I

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think Hungary is in a liberal place. But I also

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think Germany is in a liberal place coming from the left,

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you know. So, But for people like Brennan, the only problem,

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the only illiberalism, can only come from the right. This

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was just about the right. Why can't we just censor

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the right? Well, I mean, I've detailed this in that book,

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you know, in eurotresh But the right here, the left here,

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I'm sorry, The New York Times, CBS News and elsewhere

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they want to adopt those liberal policies here they completely

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agree with the European censorship that goes on in Europe.

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If you read the Bible out loud, you know, and

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someone teams at homophobic you can be arrested. There's a

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guy in jail, has a four year sentence for he's

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a fascist, no doubt about it. But he's in jail

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for four years. So the Democrats who call you and

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I a fascists, right, would we be in jail? Then?

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You know we're an existential threat to democracy supposedly.

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Speaker 2: So I loved jd Vance's speech, talking about big ideas

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about freedom of speech and freedom of religion and the

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need to accept election results and listen to what the

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people want and need when you're governing them. I liked

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all of that, but I will admit that I thought

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that who could possibly oppose this? You know who? Yes,

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it was kind of an in your face speech, but

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if you hear what he's talking about, it would be

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very difficult to say, actually, we're on the other side.

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we're on the other side of free speech. They all

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started in mass defending restrictions on the press and on speech,

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and I'm just thinking, this is insane. I I don't

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know what they're The.

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Speaker 1: New York Editorial Time, the editorial page of the New

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York Times constantly has pieces saying this exact thing. I

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would say that I disagreed with something he said, or

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how he framed it. And I get that he's a politician,

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and I get the politicians do this, but conflating democracy

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and liberty is a big problem. Most people in Europe

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probably do like some sort of censorship right, so what

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that doesn't That doesn't I don't want to give the

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people what they want. I want to protect individual rights.

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even because I don't care about that. Every we have

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a neutral, you know, right to free you know, how

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can I say an impartial right to free speech. So

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this idea that we have to give the people what

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Speaker 2: It's also I actually I love you get into your

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anti democracy tirades, but I don't disagree with you. Just

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because a majority of people say that someone should be

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killed doesn't mean that that person should be killed. Or

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just because a majority of people don't love freedom of

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religion doesn't mean that you don't have a natural right

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to practice your religious beliefs. At the same time, it

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is true that governments derive their legitimacy from the consent

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of the governed, and I think the reason why the

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European leaders had their little emergency session in Paris is

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that they're terrified. They have been able to thwart what

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their people want for a really long time, mostly in

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pursuit of mass migration, and I think they're worried they're

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going to lose some elections, as they should be.

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Speaker 1: Well, I should say that there's a key philosophical difference

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between you just alluded to, between each place and people

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who don't really believe in free speech. If you believe

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in God, but even if you don't, you believe that

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the state is here to protect your free speech rights,

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not bestow it on you. But the Convention of Human

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and then gives like fifteen exemptions for why you can

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stop free speech. Can I read you a couple national security,

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territorial integrity, public safety, disorder or crime, health or morals,

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the reputation of other people. So in essence, there is

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no free speech right there, and that I think is

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the difference. That was my only problem with his speech.

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I think he assumes, like people in the Middle East,

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that everyone's just yearning for freedom. I don't know that

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Europeans are yearning for freedom. I don't know that Germans

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are yearning for freedom. History tells me otherwise, to be

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honest with you, and so that was my only problem.

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Speaker 2: With his speech, David, that's actually a really important point.

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I think what you're seeing with the leaders at the

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Munich conference, they're freak out over being told that they

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are bad in how they deal with free speech and

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freedom of religion and honoring elections. They're freaking out, and

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our media are freaking out because there's something like at heart,

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some of our elites aren't super into America or what

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makes us different from other countries. They genuinely support the

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censorship industrial regime. They genuinely think that they should be

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the arbiters of what you're allowed to talk about. And

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it's a very un American idea that you would limit

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someone else's right to debate you or speak their mind.

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But you're seeing a lot of our media are completely

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in agreement with these these European leaders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that's been going on for years. It

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is an American But they will argue that the Internet

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era is different and that these principles no longer whole.

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they were right, right, Let's say I'm right. I say, yeah,

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that's a danger to democracy. But they have they call

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every they don't like disinformation misinformation, so they can't be trusted.

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This is why the state can't be trusted, you know

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what I mean?

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Speaker 2: So you know, well, did you see you mentioned the

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Margaret Brennan interview, but did you see the sixty minutes

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about how great it is to limit what people say.

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like we got it in the original German there. Yeah,

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they were just little authoritarians. I mean, first of all,

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one of the women says, we can't just have people

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saying whatever they want. They have to be limits because

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you're intimidating people. There are already rules against that every

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Western country. You're not allowed to, you know, intimidate someone

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or threaten someone to her and to many young people

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in the United States, unfortunate, and many on the left,

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words are violence to them. There's no real difference between

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those things. That's why that's such a dangerous idea, as well,

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that sixty minutes piece was just terrible. They couldn't find

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a single person in the entire country to defend free

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speech and the entire world, in all of Europe, in

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all the United States, not one.

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Speaker 2: The most embarrassing part of it was the questions were

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the questions didn't in any There was no pushback, there

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was no effort to challenge them on this.

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Speaker 1: I we grew up right, everyone agreed free speech was great.

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Like in the late sixties, the free speech movement was

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sparked by the left, you know, and now you know

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it's incredible. You know, when you look at Poles, I'm

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sorry of young people. Many of them don't believe in

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free speech. That if you ask them, should a pro

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life would be allowed to come to your college and speak,

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like twenty percent say yes. On the other side, seventy

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percent say yes. So that's I think a problem. And

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when you have all the elites in colleges who teach

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them in media, in our government, unless Elon Musks is

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a way and sweeps them away, they also believe in censorship.

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So I mean, how do you feel about the future

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when it comes to speech? Right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm much feeling much better right now than I

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have in ten years. Like I am someone who actually

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was personally on a government censorship list. This was revealed

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by the House Judiciary Committee. I'm envious a few years ago.

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And of course the Federalist has experienced extreme censorship for

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pushing back against regime propaganda, and it felt very lonely

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to be battling this, and even Republicans weren't very helpful

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on it, like the vast majority of them were not

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very helpful, with some notable and wonderful exceptions, such as

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Jim Jordan, who's been fighting the free speech fight and

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the freedom of the press fight here a somewhat lonely

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battle for him sometimes. So to finally have someone on

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a global stage saying censorship is wrong, I feel represented

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in politics in a way that I haven't felt represented

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since like Reagan. I mean, it's just wonderful to have

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someone talking about these really important foundational issues and advocating

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for them on a global stage.

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Speaker 1: Someone online mentioned that the AP which is not allowed

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to participate in press conferences now because they won't accept

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Golf of America edict, that is a you know, the

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press axis, if that is like the biggest attack on

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free speech. Ever, the AP has a god given right

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to be in the White House press room. But then

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when it comes to vance talking about this, the entire

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media complex all of a sudden defends European censorship of normal,

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regular people who are powerless. Like if in Germany the

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police will show up at your door or rage your

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house if you have mocked leaders, you know, in an

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ugly way usually, but still, and that that doesn't bother

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them at all. I think they'd be all for that,

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you know what I mean. Like they have such a

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distorted view of what free speech means, just.

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Speaker 2: From a strategic messaging perspective. The idea that all of

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the media would be defending the Associated Press here while

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simultaneous calling for restrictions on speech debate, Like it just

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doesn't work to try to do both of those things

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at the same time.

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Speaker 1: They don't care. They don't have any sort of limiting principles.

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They this is what their whole democracy democracy stick. It

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doesn't really mean anything.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Associated Press, I don't get why

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they're not calling a legal name thing by its legal name.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, I find it a little bit

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silly to me. What I believe is that the associated

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depression being there at all. Anyway, they are a propaganda outfit.

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I don't mean that in some sort of like that

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they're biased. They shared, for instance, a building with Hamas,

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they let Hamas dictate the things they wrote, but they

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can't say Gulf of America when the United States government

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switches it up. Yeah, it's just you're trying.

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Speaker 2: To understand their logic. Period Like, did they refuse to

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call Denali or Mount McKinley Denali for the few years

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that it was den No.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure not.

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Speaker 2: Did they do they call the Redskins the Redskins or

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the Commanders When when trans people change their names, they

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always honor the new name, and in fact they will

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pretend like the old name never existed. They'll take it

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so far that they deny the reality that a man

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with a woman's name is a man. So I don't

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I actually don't care that much about Golf of America.

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I mean, I'm totally fine with the name change. It's

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I don't care. I just don't care. But it is

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a legal name change, so on the grounds, are you

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not Billy? But also it's not saying Gulf of the

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United States it's Gulf of America, which is very ecumenical,

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or whatever you would say for South America, Central America,

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and northwork.

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Speaker 1: People always got mad when you call the United States

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America because they're like, you know, it's all America and

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this and that. So yeah, and it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I just I wish the AP were kicked out for

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all of the other things it does other than that.

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But also I don't think they're kicked out. I think

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that simply they're not getting Oval office access, which of

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course is limited to very few people, so I don't

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see why they should get to be there. And then

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they are also I think limited on Air Force one,

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which is true of most reporters are limited on Air

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Force one. And particularly given how they do nothing but

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straight propaganda all the time, I'm fine with them, you know,

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just applying for a day pass every year or there.

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Speaker 3: There's a specific reason why some of these politicians hate

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Elon Musk. Elizabeth Warren claims she doesn't accept donations from

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big Pharma. Not only does she collect money, she collects

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more than anyone else does. And the person next in line,

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Bernie Sanders. Check out the Watchdog on Wall Street podcast

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Speaker 1: Molly, one thing that just ran across my feet. I

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just want to mention Hamas is releasing some hostages, and

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it's releasing some people who have been killed by them

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to the Israelis for hundreds of you know, terrorists. Here's

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the ABC headline, Hamas will release the bodies of four

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deceased hostages on Thursday. Deceased hostages like, how did they die?

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I wonder two of them? By the way, babies. This

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is kind of the distortion of headlines that are super

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important in the age of social media, because that's what

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a lot of people see. So let me read you

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another headline that people were upset about the other day.

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It's from the Wall Street Journal. Exclusive Dvance pledges to

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hit Russia with sanctions and potentially military action. It's a

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mistake if Putin won't agree to peace deal that guarantees

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Ukraine's independence. People were quite upset about that because they

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claim that, you know, he hadn't actually pledged to do

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those things, and I agree with them. He had said

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that military tools were on the table. But I wanted

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to ask you, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: First off, on the four murdered Israeli hostages. I mean,

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unless these people truly died of natural causes that had

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nothing to do with being taken hostage by Hamas, it's

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just an inaccurate headline. And the fact that it does

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include these little Babis children, which were some of the

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children I was praying for this, you know, many months.

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even not that the adults are any different, but there

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is no argument for murdering these children or treating them

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as enemy combat on enemy combatants and headlines that downplay

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the horrific nature of what's been done. You don't need

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to be like quote unquote taking size to just be

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honest about it. These people killed by Hamas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were on the side of the Palestinians,

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you would be more honest about what Hamas does anyway,

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because you'd want you know, this undermines their cause in

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many ways, obviously, And I'm not on the side of

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the Palestine. So I saw Paul recently that showed like

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nine percent of Democrats are sympathetic towards Israel and the

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other percentage or either don't care or sympathetic towards the

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Palestinian cause. So obviously everyone at ABC, all the editors, everyone,

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they're not sympathetic with Israel, so they're always trying their

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best to distort what is actually going on there.

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Speaker 2: As for the Wall Street Journal headline, and that is

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the only newspaper I subscribe to, the only daily newspaper

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I subscribe to, So I'm constantly screaming about various editorial

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choices they've made. It just was an inaccurate way to

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describe what JD. Vance is saying. So he's talking, I mean,

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first of all, the entire Trump Vance administration is about

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ending the war in Ukraine and talking to Putin as

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part of that, Like you're not going to get an

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agreement with Putin without talking to him. And in the

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course of that conversation, he's talking about how for Donald Trump,

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you have to put everything on the table in order

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to come to a result that you like, including that

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would be you know, economic sanctions and you know, even

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potentially military stuff. The way that the headline was written

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was as if Trump was threatening Putin with war with

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like an all out war, as opposed to the proxy

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war that that he's trying to get out of. And

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even there was a question there about like what you know,

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Vance said something like Trump really does not want US

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troops in Ukraine. So even if you could say, well,

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technically he said everything was all on the table, that's true,

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but it's just makes it seem like the reporter and

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the editors were too stupid to understand what Vance was saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, the word I think that is misleading his pledges

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to do something right, because he's not pledging that, he's

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saying it might be on the table. But just outside

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of that debate, I do find it interesting that he

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is essentially saying that the proxy war could continue if

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Putin doesn't give Ukraine, you know, guarantee its independence. I

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don't even know what that means, because it's obviously going

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to lose territory in any kind of settlement. It already

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has lost territory, you know, in twenty twelve or whenever.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, and Veberina pet hekset. They were really upset

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with him for a few minutes because he said, well,

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obviously Ukraine's not going back to pre twenty fourteen borders,

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which is just a statement of fact. Russia invaded that

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part during the Obama administration. It's not going back to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Did he say also that they wouldn't be part of NATO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he didn't say it as strong as

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I would like, but he was saying basically like, in

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the short term, there's no way that Ukraine's going into NATO.

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The idea that we would even be taught talking about

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that as if it were a realistic thing blows my

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mind and says how unserious a lot of these foreign

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policy people are. Yeah, I mean, but just think about this, like,

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how would the United States have taken to Mexico or

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Canada joining the Soviet Union during the Cold War? How

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would they have handled that? Would they have viewed that

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as provocative? Yes, they would have viewed it as provocative.

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nuclear war. If you know, the George H. W. Bush

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era was really smart about understanding Ukraine needs to be

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a buffer between Western Europe and Russia. They should kind

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of be steadfastly neutral. We've been losing just the smart

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minds that understand if you don't want war in Europe,

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you do have to kind of acknowledge reality and not

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be overly provocative to the two sides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was walked back because I think that's

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something you put on the table as far as negotiations go. Right,

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he says it here that president doesn't want Nate doesn't

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think it's a good idea, probably, but that's something you

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hand Russian and say, Okay, if you give us this,

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we'll make sure NATO's not you know, I mean, Ukraine's

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not in NATO. It seems that's the way to approach this.

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think we should make a moral equivalency between NATO and

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the Soviet Union. I get your overall point that it's

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infringing on their sphere of influence in a way, but

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it's not the same thing. NATO doesn't threaten Russian sovereignty.

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They're not gonna invade Moscow. No one wants to take

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Speaker 2: David, there was a period of time, was it Clinton?

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I think it was Clinton was thinking about letting Russia

477
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into NATO. I'm not making a moral judgment, like things change,

478
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I'm just talking about alliance. Oh, I get it now

479
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,680
it's viewed as this hostile situation. But when the Soviet

480
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Union fall apart, there was some question like should we

481
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let Russia into this Western way? And we're seeing the

482
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opposite extreme right now of driving Russia into China's arms,

483
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which is an unwise thing for US since China's much

484
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bigger threat to US than Russia. And you don't but

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they're to get whenever they're together. It's bad news for

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the United States.

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Speaker 1: They rarely can't have been able to get it together.

488
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But yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's a big topic.

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Speaker 2: We can not but okay, well let's talk about domestic stuff.

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Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, let's talk about you agree.

491
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Speaker 2: We're in a constitutional crisis, That's what I heard. Everybody's saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, we spoke about that. So now the new phase

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of the constitutional crisis is that the executive branch is

494
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
no longer working how it should. There's a shadow presidency,

495
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Elon Musk, and the president is undermining what they call

496
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:48,799
independent agencies, which I say, actually are concocted agencies that

497
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work under the umbrella of the executive branch. And if

498
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you don't want them there, rewrite the constitution. But as

499
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long as they're under Donald Trump's purview, he gets to

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do what he wants. So Elon Musk is marching through

501
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,000
the agencies, right, I think he's about to head towards

502
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the SEC. He's in the irs now, I believe, and

503
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so on, and this is very upsetting to people. They

504
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:13,960
I don't know if you saw sixty minutes also at

505
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,160
an interview with like fired you administration people, and you

506
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would have thought like the sky was falling. It so worse,

507
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Like normal people lose their jobs we talked about this

508
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,240
last week, lose their job all the time. We don't

509
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,759
you know, there is no certainty in your job. And

510
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they act as if they should have a guaranteed job

511
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towards to retirement. But anyway, Ezra Clin I saw the

512
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other day, had someone on and they were talking about

513
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how the executive branch isn't working the way it should.

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Something is wrong, molly with how government functions. And I

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just quickly want to say, I've been following Ezra clines

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work a lot. And when the House wouldn't vote for

517
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Obama stuff, he said that the Congress wasn't working. Then

518
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he said the Supreme Court wasn't working when he didn't

519
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get his way. Now the executive whenever things don't go

520
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,200
Downmocrat's way, that institution no longer works that you know,

521
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,319
that needs to We need reform. We need fillibus to reform.

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You notice no one's talking about that. Is anyone talking

523
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about packing the courts anymore? Where's that bill on packing

524
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the courts? Why don't we put that forward? Now? See

525
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what happens? You know. So it's just such transparent hypocrisy,

526
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and it's so corrupt. The arguments are corrupt anyway.

527
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Speaker 2: I just want to say, I have been waiting for

528
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this moment for a very long time. If you're a conservative,

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you get taught about the bureaucracy and the administrative state

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and the threat that those things pose to our constitutional

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order from the time you're young. And we are finally

532
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:47,000
having an all out battle about whether this fourth branch

533
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,720
of government should be able to exist independently. I love

534
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,839
our constitution. We have three branches of government in the Constitution.

535
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Congress is the most important one is the Article one branch.

536
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I think they have completely fallen down on the job

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over the last one hundred years. So I agree with

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Ezra Kline on that the Congress is broken.

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Speaker 1: That's not what he doesn't agree with you?

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Speaker 2: And why Yeah, but they delegated all of their authority,

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this administrative state, and then the executive During a Democrat

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00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,519
presidency or someone who's aligned with Democrat values, the bureaucracy

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00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,079
works very well as an arm of that president. During

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a Republican presidency, particularly for Donald Trump, you actually have

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these people saying claiming they are running a resistance. And

546
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when you are a bureaucrat and you're running a resistance,

547
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that means you're resisting the constitutional order, which is the president.

548
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The only way it works for the bureaucracy to be

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constitutional is if it's under the executive branch, so when

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you're resisting it, you're resisting the constitution. And then of

551
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course the third branch, the judiciary. So lots of wise

552
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people have been talking about the threat posed by this

553
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fourth branch of government that in some ways is far

554
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more powerful, far bigger, far more resistant to the people

555
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than any of the other branches. And it's not anywhere

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included in our constitution. And the progressives who started this,

557
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,480
you know, Woodrow Wilson types, they were very open in

558
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,920
what they wanted to do, which was they thought the

559
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480
constitutional system was broken and they wanted to create their

560
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,079
own ruling experts who would control everything, and so we

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are finally, after one hundred years, having the battle that

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we always should have had over this permanent bureaucratic state,

563
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and so I'm just loving every minute of it. In fact,

564
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I was just thinking today that I remember eight years ago,

565
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during Trump's first year in office, first month in office,

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I think he was at Seapac and in his speech,

567
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which of course I loved and nobody else in media loved,

568
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he talked about the threats posed by the administrative state.

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And at that time I was on a panel at

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CNN with a bunch of other report but like left

571
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wing reporters, and the host was John King, if I

572
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,680
recall correctly, and it was just this roundtable, and nobody

573
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knew what the administrative state was, except for me, because,

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like I said, you feed on this at your very

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first conservative meeting when you're a teenager. And to go

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from that eight years ago where nobody knew what the

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administrative state was, to now doge doing an audit of

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these administrative of this administrative state, it's just a wonderful transformation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people like Ezra Kline want a centralized federal government

580
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that is perpetually run by Democrats. That's what they want.

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That's why nothing else works, and that's why this scares them.

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If you told me twenty years ago or whenever I started,

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that Elon Musk would be how can I say, is

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that a tech billionaire would be in the government auditing

585
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all the administrative state, firing people left and right, trying

586
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to you know, save money. I don't think we should

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over overdo how much money he can in discretion or

588
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,880
spending whatever. I would say as a small libertarian, that's amazing.

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00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,319
I would be just so happy about that. But yeah,

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the Congress, I just you know, if you don't like

591
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,160
that Donald Trump is just putting tariffs on everyone, maybe

592
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Congress should take back its tariff powers. You know, if

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you don't like that Donald Trump might use as emergency powers,

594
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880
maybe rescind that law. And if you want to shut down.

595
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Speaker 2: Yeah, On the upside, I actually think, no matter what happens,

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this is not going to work unless Congress asserts its authority. Sure,

597
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and so even when you look at some of the

598
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,559
battles that are happening in the courts, they could be

599
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:37,559
rendered very quickly by Congress weighing in on on what

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it thinks about these administrative state agencies. The bureaucracy and

601
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,039
to make it permanent, they really need to be involved.

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And so Republicans and American voters. I don't think they

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00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,200
just want one man or three men to know the

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00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,519
problem and solve it. They would like every elected official

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00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,359
on board. And maybe that's not going to be the

606
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,680
Democrats right now, but Congress should reassert its authority, and

607
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,559
the Republicans in Congress should be an active part of

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00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,680
this effort since they have the majority.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you really want to shut down the

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Department of Education, you're going to have to do it

611
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through Congress. If you really want to shut down even USAID,

612
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,000
I think you need to do it through Congress because

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there's a lot of money in bills pass there that

614
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,880
need to be spent. You can't just say I'm not

615
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,519
spending the money like Obama did with Obamacare when heever

616
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he felt like it. I think a lot of these

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lawsuits we spoke about them last week, though I was

618
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,159
thinking about this, have it will as often they do

619
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backfire on Democrats. They will accelerate the process of the

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Supreme Court saying actually, the executive branch has this power

621
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and the judicial branch doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually I totally agree with you when we were

623
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,639
talking about Ezra Client saying every branch of government is broken.

624
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,679
I sometimes think that myself, except for the judiciary, which

625
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,239
the Supreme Court seems to be operating pretty well. And

626
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,920
I always get nervous when people want to blow it up,

627
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,960
as has been a celebrated cause on the left in

628
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,719
recent years. But yes, you've had some really bad rogue

629
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:05,760
district judges ruling like against Trump. But as they as

630
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,840
these things work their way through the courts, I'm less

631
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,280
nervous about some of it, just because, again, in a

632
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,480
constitutional system, you can't have an independent bureaucracy. That's just tyranny.

633
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,280
Independent means independent means accountable, not to the people. And

634
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,519
in our system of government, the people have the power,

635
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,519
and if the people have no say, and we've all

636
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,360
been feeling this right like you, you'll work really hard

637
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,800
to change the Senate or change the nature of the

638
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,000
House or you know, the makeup of the house. You

639
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,760
work really hard to elect someone, and then nothing ever changes.

640
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,960
The reason why nothing ever changes is because this bureaucracy

641
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is unaccountable. And I really have a hard time seeing

642
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,599
smart judges and smart justices saying yeah, we're going to

643
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,480
just let an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy run things. I just

644
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:55,679
don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: Can say, yeah, yeah, yeah, quest no, no, please.

646
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, there are all these other interesting issues too that

647
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
are happening through the courts. So it's conventional wisdom that

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00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:10,519
you cannot appeal a temporary restraining order. Have you heard that?

649
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 2: They're usually for a very brief period of time, and

651
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,360
it's just kind of gives everybody a chance to make

652
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,480
their arguments in a better form, and so you're usually

653
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,960
not able to appeal a temporary restraining order against like

654
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,239
a government agency. Well, all of these different judges have

655
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implemented temporary restraining orders, which is thwarting the work of Doge.

656
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,199
One of the cases involves a guy who was removed

657
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,000
from his position I think was the Merit Systems Protection

658
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:46,599
Board Merit Protection Did I just seeh I think? And

659
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,719
so he sued over it and a district judge instituted

660
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a temporary restraining order. The Trump administration appealed that, and

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00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,320
the DC Circuit had a panel of three judges. It

662
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was Florence Pan who's husband literally runs like the bureaucracy

663
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,840
defense organization, the Partnership for Public Service. He also totally

664
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,800
forgetting his name all of a sudden, But he also

665
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,320
was one of the fake Kavanaugh accusers. Do you remember

666
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,760
a Max Styr. That's his name, Max Styr. He after

667
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,199
Carrie Savareino and I wrote our book on Cavanaugh, there

668
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,679
were these two New York Times reporters who wrote a

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book on Cavanaugh, and when they were rolling it out,

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they claimed that they had another accuser. But Carrie and

671
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,920
I had gotten advanced copies of the book, and so

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we read the book and saw that the accuser was

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actually this guy named Max Steyer. He claimed there was

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a woman and he wasn't sure what had happened, but

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something had happened, and he, you know, so he just

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00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,199
felt it was his job as a left wing person

677
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,519
to say this about Brett Kavanaugh, and so they report it.

678
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,440
They actually also acknowledged that the woman in question was like,

679
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,639
I have literally no idea what you're talking about. So

680
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,719
Max Steyer is that like radical? And he was also

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00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,519
on the Bill Clinton defense team during Monica Lewinski, So

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00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,480
he's a Clinton knight anyway. His wife, Florence, I just

683
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,440
know how much the left cares about the spouses of justices,

684
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so I'm sure they care that the spouse of this

685
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,599
judge is completely compromised in this debate. But anyway, Florence.

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Speaker 1: King then recused themselves. If they had that kind.

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Speaker 2: Of you know, I think they have to be recused

688
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,960
or immediately impeached according to the left. So I'm sure

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they're consistent in this Florence plan and Michelle Chiles, they

690
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,519
vote to uphold the temporary restraining order. But this other judge,

691
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Greg katsis who I think was put on the court

692
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in twenty seventeen, and he's that judge on the DC

693
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Circuit that constantly gets upheld at the Supreme Court. So

694
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:48,679
Harry Reid packed the DC Circuit with left wing judges.

695
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,519
It's like a ridiculous circuit, how crazy left it is,

696
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,559
but it frequently their cases get moved up to the

697
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Supreme Court. And Greg Katz's is that guy who is

698
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,760
just so good that he keeps on getting upheld. And

699
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in his dissent from upholding the temporary restraining order, first off,

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he goes into how you know, actually the executive branch

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00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,880
does control the executive function, and then he also kind

702
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,320
of puts in there about how a limit on constitutional

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00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,280
authority for even a moment is intolerable, and so kind

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of lays out the case for an immediate appeal of

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a temporary restraining order. And I just saw, like before

706
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,559
we got on this call, that John Roberts asked for

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a response. So the Trump team appeals the temporary restraining

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order to the Supreme Court, and John Roberts was asking

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for the two sides to weigh in immediately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Supreme Court has a responsibility

711
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to step in when its own, when the judicial branch

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is overstepping its bounds below it right. I mean, I

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think it has like a special responsibility to make sure

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the separation of powers works and is working and things

715
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are working constitutionally.

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Speaker 2: And I think actually this is where the things that

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frustrate a lot of conservatives about John Roberts they will like.

718
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And what I mean is you have all these rogue

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judges who are going well beyond their actual authority to

720
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issue nationwide injunctions. This is something that happens a lot

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with left wing judges, but it also happens with some

722
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conservative judges where they'll issue nationwide injunctions against some federal action.

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And you have heard murmurings for years among the justices

724
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that they think that this should be checked more, or

725
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that it shouldn't be allowed. It's just greatly exceeds their

726
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actual authority that these inferior judges are doing it. And

727
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so I think you probably will see one of these that,

728
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in one of these cases that makes it to the

729
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Supreme Court. I would not be shocked if you see

730
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a slap down of nationwide injunctions. And John Roberts, who

731
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sort of always fancied himself a great chief and who cares,

732
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,800
like all chiefs do, the legitimacy of the court, you

733
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,920
are risking a situation where these rogue judges are so

734
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,280
out of control that you're going to start seeing the

735
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executive branch just not heeding what they say, or you're

736
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risking that. I'm not saying that it's under Trump. I'm

737
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saying if this type of thing continues, because Trump has

738
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shown himself very willing to adhere to whatever the courts

739
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say on these nationwide injunctions. He's explicitly said that. But

740
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you could imagine a future where people just start not

741
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following the nationwide injunction or saying or just challenging it.

742
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And I think the Chief is aware of that and

743
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wants to preserve the legitimacy of the judiciary. And so

744
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I would just not be shocked to see a majority

745
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of justices saying enough on the nationwide injunctions.

746
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Speaker 1: Trump explicitly yeah. The other day, he explicitly came out,

747
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he said, we we listen to the courts, but we

748
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will be vindicated. But yet the constitutional crisis story are

749
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all over the place. When when Joe Biden said, yeah,

750
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the court said no, but we did it anyway. That

751
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was fine for everyone. You know, It's just I mean, I.

752
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Speaker 2: Do I do want to kind of point out there

753
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that he didn't completely flout what the Supreme Court had

754
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said in that he found another way to do the

755
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same thing. And you might say, well, that's just playing games,

756
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except it still recognizes the authority of the Supreme Court

757
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on the special decision.

758
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Speaker 1: The only oath that all these people take is to

759
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a constitution. Okay, so when you were purposely changing a

760
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few words and your edict to do something that is

761
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,159
clearly unconstitutional for me, it's basically the same thing. I

762
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get it that on the technicality, he wasn't telling the

763
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Court you know, I'm not listening to you, but in

764
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essence that that's what he was doing. And just because

765
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he's a little or not him, people work for him,

766
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,400
we're a little more creative in doing it does not

767
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make it okay because you could Trump could do that too.

768
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Trump could write another EO, change a few words. He's

769
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doing it differently, And then I mean, in essence, it's

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the same thing at least from you know, that's what

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I feel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it still is at least honoring and respecting

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the different branches and the rights therein. So I do

774
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think back to this. Why I think John Roberts might

775
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join with a majority of justices to push back on

776
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nationwide injunctions is actually actually related to the Marbury versus

777
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Madison ruling, which is like the most famous Supreme Court

778
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ruling ever, which was I'm totally going to butcher this,

779
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but I feel like it was okay. John Adams was president.

780
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He pushes through a bunch of judges last minute. His

781
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party controls Congress, and they do know some like Judicial

782
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,119
Review Act or something pushed through a bunch of judges

783
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and their commissions were supposed to be given by the

784
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Secretary of State, but then Adams leaves office and.

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Speaker 1: James Madison won't well.

786
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Speaker 2: Madison is the Secretary of State, yeah, and he won't

787
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deliver this commission. And so it goes to the Court

788
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because then they sue for manament, like they sue to

789
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require the guy who one of the guys who didn't

790
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get his commission says, please make Madison give me my commission.

791
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And they did this whole solemn monic, you know, splitting

792
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the baby kind of thing, where they ruled the ultimate

793
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law unconstitutional but also that Madison should have turned it over.

794
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It kind of made everybody happy, but it mostly made

795
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the Court very powerful, and I just very much think

796
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John Roberts cares about the supremacy of the Supreme Court

797
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and it's legitimacy, and it might tamp down these nationwide

798
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injunctions really as a way of preserving the health of

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the Court going forward.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a big fan of that decision because

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we need it today more than ever. The Court is

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the only institution upholding the Constitution, making it a coequal branch,

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though with different jobs to do, and allowing it to

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to render things that Congress does or the executive branch

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Speaker 1: The last topic on politics, I think we wanted to

830
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touch on the DOJ dropping charges against New York City

831
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Mayor Eric Adams. So I don't know a lot about this,

832
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but my initial feeling was that it seemed a like

833
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favor trading and that it was I mean, openly, we

834
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dropped the charges. You help us with immigration, or you

835
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,800
help the administration do what it wants to do. At

836
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least that's what I think it would seem like to

837
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,360
a lot of people. It might be more complicated. I

838
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,119
don't know what's your take on it.

839
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Speaker 2: I think that's actually like a legitimate question. And the

840
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,800
reason why people think that is because the charges were

841
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not dropped with prejudice. They were just dropped, which seems

842
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,400
to sort of be a sword hanging over Eric adams

843
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,880
head that he really better helped the administration with its

844
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,800
anti illegal immigrant efforts or else the charges could be refiled,

845
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,760
but it was interesting to see, well the people who

846
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:51,159
are running DJ, like when they were going through their

847
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,679
Senate confirmation hearings, like Pam Bondi said that they were

848
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,719
very opposed to the weaponization of DJ to go after

849
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,679
political enemies of the as opposed to just a polding

850
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,480
rule of law. And the Public Corruption Unit at DJ

851
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:09,800
has really a an abysmal track record compared to other

852
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,559
groups within DJ. They routinely go after people and then

853
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:17,079
end up getting overturned at the Supreme Court like nine

854
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,840
to nothing, and they seem to be very drunk on

855
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,559
their power to go after people. So the concern with

856
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:28,079
the Eric Adams' indictment was really about the Eric Adams

857
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investigation itself. So it's not necessarily that Eric Adams as

858
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:34,599
pure as the driven snow, which I don't think many

859
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:38,840
people would say, but that the evidence suggests that the

860
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investigation into him ramped up dramatically after he started criticizing

861
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the Biden administration. And when you do that, when you

862
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,480
go after people unequally based on their political criticisms of you,

863
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that's the whole problem with the Department of Justice. And

864
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,559
so when Pam Bondi and or the other people I

865
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think it was evil BOV had to drop this indictment.

866
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There were other issues too. They did it in the

867
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and you know, makes it hard for him to communicate

868
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with people while he's mayor because he's under indictment and

869
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effect security clearances. It also makes it hard, like he

870
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felt they felt that he had to pick an untimely

871
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court date because if he took as much time as

872
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he needed to go through all the documents that they have,

873
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that it would put it past the election, when he'd

874
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,679
like to be done with this before his next election.

875
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,920
You know, all these sorts of political considerations which are

876
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,800
always in play. So they tell the Southern District, New York,

877
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,280
which is a notoriously left wing district, that they need

878
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,159
to drop the charges. And they that thus began like

879
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,920
a series of people resigning and broadcasting to the media

880
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,039
their letters of resignation where they claimed that, you know,

881
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:57,880
there was no justification for dropping these charges. And I

882
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,679
think it's been oddly enough like a good way to

883
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,280
root out some of the problems at DJ, because you

884
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,880
don't have to agree completely with your bosses at DJ.

885
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,360
But if they say we're going to stop weaponizing the

886
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,480
Department of Justice and doing these political prosecutions. Yeah, you

887
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:17,320
can quit. You know, you can quit if you really

888
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,199
really think strongly that they're wrong. But the like sort

889
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,679
of dramatic way in which they're going out and you know,

890
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,760
trying to become martyrs over it is a good indication

891
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,719
that they shouldn't be there.

892
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll just say, he's on TV talking to administration officials.

893
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:36,920
What was the guy the name of the guy who's

894
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,360
doings heading up immigration enforcement? Holman? Is it? Yeah, he's

895
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,440
on there joking with him, like you better do what

896
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,199
we said. You know, it's like such a quid pro quo.

897
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,440
I get that a lot of the people who are like,

898
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,039
you know, grand standing and stepping down are not great people,

899
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,239
though some of them seem okay to me. But I

900
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don't know, I don't know. It just seems a bit problematic.

901
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: First of it's not like the first time in history

902
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,119
that someone said, if you like help with this other thing,

903
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your charges will be lowered, or.

904
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Speaker 1: To help someone go after a bigger target or something

905
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,480
as far as a legal I mean.

906
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Speaker 2: So the charge with Eric Adams, who is like notoriously

907
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,159
like all Democrats in New York, not the cleanest person

908
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,320
I think, is that he took plane upgrades, and you

909
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
can say that you really think that's an important issue,

910
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,239
more important than securing the nation's borders or fighting, you know,

911
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,239
the craziness of what's happening in New York. That's an argument,

912
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but it's not like a totally settled thing. I do

913
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want to say one thing about the woman who made

914
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:43,760
a big show out of quitting rather than dropping the

915
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charges and forgetting her name Sasoon, Danielle Sassoon, And everyone

916
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was like, she was a Scalia clerk and therefore you

917
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,920
cannot criticize her. And they were also saying she was

918
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,119
a Federalist Society member. And the Federalist Society, not to

919
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,000
be confused with the Federalist is an organization for liberty

920
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,559
Arrian and conservative lawyers. But you can anyone can join

921
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by paying dues. And I'm not one hundred percent certain

922
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,360
she is a member. They would link to her profile

923
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on their website and it says quite clearly like if

924
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you're pictured here, it means you've spoken at a Federalist

925
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Society event or done something like that, or been published.

926
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And the Federalist Society is known for having debates. You

927
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know they'll have a left winger and a right winger

928
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,119
come on a debate. That does not mean they're all members.

929
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I mean they'll had a left winger person a right

930
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wing person debate. And in her case, she was on

931
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with Harvey Wilkinson, which was the very good judge she

932
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clerked for before Scalia, talking about something I don't even

933
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remember what it was, the nineteen sixties or something. Anyway,

934
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I tweeted that out, and all of a sudden I

935
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started hearing from a ton of people about how they

936
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were surprised that anyone was defending her letter, saying she

937
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would never, you know, drop these charges, and how a

938
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gas she was at it. And my favorite thing that

939
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,719
someone pointed out to me is so she kept on

940
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,239
saying like did I mention I worked for Scalia? And

941
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Scalia said this, and did I mention? You know? These

942
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she would let drop different names. Robert Jackson, former Attorney

943
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,000
General an emil Bow, in his response to her, pointed

944
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out where Scalia would have been a gast at her argument,

945
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,400
and also Jackson, but someone pointed out a third problem.

946
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She cited Posner Judge Posner, the great libertarian judge out

947
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of the Seventh Circuit, saying that he would have opposed.

948
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He would have made a court not drop a charge,

949
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,239
not tolerate dropping a charge if he thought there was

950
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,559
a quid pro quo about it or something. And so

951
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:41,519
she links to his argument, but if you read his argument,

952
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,679
he actually says the opposite. It's very originalist. It's very

953
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,119
much about who has the authority to prosecute. It's clearly

954
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,559
the executive branch. So if they want to drop, they

955
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,760
should drop, even if you don't agree with their logic.

956
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,639
And she messed up the Posner's citation and you had

957
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,559
to read it to you anyway. That was exciting to me.

958
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: But board of course I'm not bored. Elena Kagan spoke

959
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:09,000
at Federalist Society events.

960
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: Then she must be their best member.

961
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:19,039
Speaker 1: Let's do culture, Let's just do it. Did you watch

962
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,159
the USA Canada game, by the way, well.

963
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: A little bit of it, the important parts, which I

964
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,599
think you know happened in the first nine seconds at.

965
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: The three fights. Yeah. Now, I was so excited that

966
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,199
everyone got a little you know, because there aren't a

967
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,840
ton of hockey fans out there, and you know, I'm

968
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,559
a massive hockey fan, so it was nice for people

969
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:48,440
to get a taste of the speed, the excitement, and

970
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,000
quite frankly, the violence of hockey. I mean there were

971
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:55,199
three fights. I'm a New York Rangers fan. JT. Miller's

972
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,199
on our team fought a six to six Canadian defenseman

973
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,440
that was exciting, and the Tuck brothers both fought. I

974
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,119
have to say, so all year I'm like, this is

975
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:05,400
a money grab. I hate it. You know, I hate

976
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,280
All Star games. I just I can't stand them. And

977
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,480
then when it happened, I was just like charging up

978
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,280
the hill with the flag. I was so excited.

979
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: I loved everything about it. So I loved that Justin

980
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,840
Trudeau was there with a camera on him. I loved

981
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,719
the booing, meaning it was like, Okay, if you're going

982
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,360
to do this to your very good friends to the south,

983
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:33,639
the United States of America, this probably isn't going to

984
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:35,119
go well for you. And then I love that they

985
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,440
waited until the moment, you know, the whistle blew or whatever,

986
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,840
and then it was just take off the gloves and

987
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,840
go for it. I like that there are ethics to

988
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,760
fighting in hockey. I like that they allow it to happen.

989
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,639
It reminds me of you know, in baseball, So like

990
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,239
if you show boat. If you get a home run

991
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,079
off of a picture and you show boat, the picture

992
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,400
is required to being the very next person who's up

993
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,159
to bat, and then the team is required to get

994
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:05,800
out of the dugout. And you know, there are these

995
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,480
rules you're supposed to follow to keep order in the game.

996
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:11,039
And hockey has so many fights. That's why they have

997
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,480
no teeth. But I like that they do it. I

998
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,880
don't know, it's just this nice.

999
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,199
Speaker 1: They don't fight as often as they used to, by

1000
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,039
the way, and a lot of times they are so

1001
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:24,360
called enforcers on a team that keep the piece or

1002
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,559
fight each other so that others don't do it. So

1003
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,119
in hockey, if you don't have fights, you know, there's

1004
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,719
frustration builds and you start using your stick and stuff.

1005
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,159
That's much more dangerous. But the thing here was that

1006
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,400
these are all all stars, like, these are top players fighting.

1007
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,079
These are real players fighting. Brady Kuchuk and Matthew Matthew

1008
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:45,039
Kachuck's a Stanley Cup winning players like an elite player,

1009
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:51,159
he's fighting, and that makes it much more emotional and real,

1010
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,039
you know what I mean. There's not like a set

1011
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,239
fight where two you know, goons go at it. These

1012
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,880
were real players playing for their country, not even the

1013
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,840
team that pays them. Really, you know, that's what.

1014
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,639
Speaker 2: I loved about it, and it reminded me very much

1015
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:04,519
of the Miracle on Ice thing. You know, I play

1016
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,599
for the United States of America. Wait, is that what

1017
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:08,960
it's called Miracle on ice today?

1018
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,679
Speaker 1: Miracle is the movie? On Ice is the event? Yeah?

1019
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: Thanks, I highly recommend Mierica.

1020
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: I love that movie. But k Russell plays her Brooks,

1021
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,119
the coach, and he does a fantastic job. Obviously, That's

1022
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,559
one of the pivotal moments of my youth watching the

1023
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:29,639
USA win gold.

1024
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh, because I don't remember that.

1025
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,239
Speaker 1: Wasn't that, like Naty, I'm a little older eighty it

1026
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:37,679
was ten?

1027
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I liked also the learning that they had

1028
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,480
a group chat where they plotted what to do if

1029
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,519
they booed the if they booed our anthem, even just

1030
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:52,440
that this like American pride. We went from every lame

1031
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,480
athlete in the country kneeling for the national anthem to

1032
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,239
having people fight over another country disrespecting our national anthem.

1033
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,159
And I just love that.

1034
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: So I got to tell you something that never infiltrated hockey.

1035
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,639
You know, what I mean that stuff.

1036
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 2: I mean they tried, but hockey was very resistant.

1037
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, for people don't follow hockey, this Canadian team

1038
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,880
is amazing and beating them was a big deal. But

1039
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,039
there's a championship game Wednesday, and it's going to be

1040
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:20,719
a tough one.

1041
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: Who are we playing.

1042
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,559
Speaker 1: Canada? So Canada beat Sweden I think it was, and

1043
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,039
they'll play the United States on Wednesday for the championship

1044
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:33,840
of the Four Nations. Now there, I'll give you two names. Okay,

1045
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,360
there's like McDavid and McKinnon. Those are two plays. I

1046
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,800
think they're the two best skaters who have ever played hockey,

1047
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,039
and they're on like play together on the power play

1048
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:44,079
for Canada. So it's going to be a tough, tough game.

1049
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,519
Speaker 2: I wish yeah, we won that last game in part

1050
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,840
because to me, it seems like in Canada hockey is

1051
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,119
almost a religion, whereas for us it's like the fourth

1052
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:01,599
major sport if yeah, football and basketball and baseball. So

1053
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,199
that we beat them, even if it's just that one game,

1054
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:08,159
although it just seems like if we could beat them,

1055
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:09,480
then why can't we beat them again?

1056
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,599
Speaker 1: No, we can. Don't get me wrong. America has made

1057
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,280
like when I was young, there are very few good,

1058
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,840
really good American players. Now there are tons of great

1059
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,960
American players, but you know.

1060
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: It's still the and it is going to be so upset.

1061
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,119
They're going to come back with all they've got.

1062
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be tough, and they haven't want to.

1063
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,679
I liked hermind. Canadians they haven't wont to Stanley Cup.

1064
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,400
None of their teams haven't won one since nineteen ninety four.

1065
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:35,119
So they're very frustrated and these things are important to them,

1066
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,239
and I understand that. But anyway, I'm happy that people

1067
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:44,480
got to see some hockey and hopefully create some new fans.

1068
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,360
What you what else? What else? What else? Are we?

1069
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,199
Where are we going to talk?

1070
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't have much to report. I've been traveling a lot,

1071
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,960
and I'm sorry about that. But I did watch a

1072
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,360
little bit of the Saturday Night Live fiftieth anniversary thing.

1073
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,719
Did you see that? No?

1074
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even really underst and what it was about.

1075
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,880
Is it one show or was it like segments?

1076
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,719
Speaker 2: You know, fiftieth anniversary of the programs. They had a

1077
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,920
star studded like audience. Everyone was in black tie and

1078
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,519
they were all former former hosts or cast members that

1079
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,480
were in the audience, and then they just did yeah,

1080
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:20,840
kind of a retrospect, something between a retrospective and a

1081
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,760
current show, some new musical work that paid homage to

1082
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,559
other people like Miley Cyrus sang nothing compares to you,

1083
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:35,519
you know, good try she had there. But last week

1084
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:39,039
I was in Hillsdale and Scott Bertram is the guy

1085
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,519
who runs Radio Free Hillsdale and he also has a podcast.

1086
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:45,960
Oh you know, someone was saying that they wanted recommendations

1087
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,199
of other podcasts, which I'm not the right person to

1088
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,639
ask about that. I always mentioned Issues, etc. Which is

1089
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:55,880
my favorite, but I don't really listen to a ton

1090
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:59,760
that nobody would have heard of. But Scott Bertram is

1091
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,880
doing this fifty year retrospective on Saturday Night Live where

1092
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,000
he goes through each season and kind of evaluates each

1093
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:10,920
season with its own special podcasts. And we were talking

1094
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,559
and he said something last week about Michael Chay, who's

1095
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:19,000
one of the weekend update anchors, being undervalued. I am

1096
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:24,000
totally forgetting what his argument was, but he said that

1097
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,920
he always felt like Michael cha was the one that

1098
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:29,519
would seem to understand. He said, he seems to understand

1099
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,159
conservatives a little bit better. So I'm walking in on

1100
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:37,440
SNL last week end, and he was talking about all

1101
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,840
the awards that SNL had won over the last fifty years,

1102
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,239
you know, Emmy's this and Emmy's that, And he said,

1103
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:47,639
and we have fourteen guys named Tony on staff, you know,

1104
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:50,360
so like a Tony Award. And it shows a picture

1105
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,840
of all the production crew, and so he's praising them,

1106
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,519
and he says at the end that he'd also like

1107
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,480
to congratulate them on their JA six pardons, which I

1108
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:04,519
just loved, like it was and I was like, oh,

1109
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,679
Scott's right, you know, like that's a joke that has

1110
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,639
layers and humility associate you know. I don't know, I

1111
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,760
just like loved it. And then Scott was saying also

1112
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,320
that he was the one who did the original Black

1113
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,239
Jeopardy thing that Tom Hanks was on. Oh.

1114
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: I saw that everyone was upset about that, but I

1115
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,079
think they miss I think they misunderstood the point of

1116
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,360
that at least five Yeah, I didn't see.

1117
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: It this weekend because I'll try and catch it later.

1118
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:38,199
But that whole skit is about how MAGA voters and

1119
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,360
black people have a lot in common. That's the whole

1120
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,599
point of it, and it's a Michael creation. So I

1121
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:44,519
was like, oh, maybe I should be giving Michael Chay

1122
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:48,880
another look here. I don't really want Allan Jost, who

1123
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,440
would presumably be a relative of mine because that's my

1124
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,920
mom's maiden name. I find him a little smug and

1125
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:55,280
difficult to listen.

1126
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,199
Speaker 1: He's a merit to Scarlet Johansson. That one.

1127
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: That's a good. That's that's a that's he must be

1128
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,599
a pressive in other ways that I have not been

1129
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:02,280
revealed to me.

1130
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a story about me? So in

1131
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,480
nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine, I forget which when

1132
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:14,239
it was there. I was working at Associated Press in

1133
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,800
New York. Yeah, you know, in sports. I wasn't yet

1134
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,440
in the political world. And when you work in sports,

1135
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,159
you work late night, you know, two, three, four am,

1136
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:27,639
and that's when you go home. So after a long

1137
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:29,800
I think it was Saturday, and it was definitely Saturday night,

1138
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,360
after a long day and night of work, me and

1139
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,480
my friends co workers left there. We were going to go

1140
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,440
get a drink at the bar there and I'm walking

1141
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,039
the AP offices were in Rockefeller Center and I'm walking

1142
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:44,880
out and that day was a twenty fifth anniversary of

1143
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,360
Saturday Night Live. So I walk into a crowd of

1144
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,320
like people. You know in New York there's always weird

1145
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,480
stuff going on. People are in tuxedos. I look up.

1146
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:56,800
There's Steve Martin, there's Pharrell, there's Al Franklin, there's Tom Hanks. Like,

1147
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,440
I'm in the middle of a group of people like

1148
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,239
that who had just come out after you know, it

1149
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,239
must have been like three am or whenever. It was

1150
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,280
from the twenty fifth anniversary of SNL. It was a

1151
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,239
surreal moment in my life. I wanted to share that

1152
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,239
with you and everyone else is listening was that? So

1153
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,000
I actually, have you ever watched Alone?

1154
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:20,599
Speaker 3: No?

1155
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:22,239
Speaker 2: I saw you tweeting about it and I was like,

1156
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,480
I need to know what he's talking about. I have

1157
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:25,000
no idea.

1158
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: It's this show where they just drop these people, usually

1159
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,119
in Alaska, right, So they'll drop them off in the

1160
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,320
middle of the wilderness. They have ten items, and whoever

1161
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,519
survives the longest in the wild without any help wins.

1162
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:43,400
Now typically it's just a basically a contest of starvation.

1163
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:49,000
So I did bring just here Alone Australia recently. But

1164
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,639
the funniest thing is and someone pointed this out to me.

1165
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,760
Is that the guy who comes in like I'm a survivalist,

1166
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,039
you know, I was in the Marines. This that big guy.

1167
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:01,519
They often will last one night before they're on the

1168
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:04,280
phone crying to be taken out for some reason. Like

1169
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,159
the toughest guys have a trouble lasting. And even I'm like,

1170
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,000
I call them candy asses because literally I feel like

1171
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,400
I can last more than one night. I just sit

1172
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,559
there and not eat for a day and last. But

1173
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:19,360
sometimes people call it one day. Anyway. The woman, Oh,

1174
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,800
I don't want to give it away. Actually women do

1175
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,920
very well. They're like picking berries, you know, and stuff

1176
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,199
like that. Yeah, and they can so anyway, I enjoy

1177
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:27,880
the show a lot.

1178
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: So do you get any You don't have like a

1179
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:33,719
gun or a fishing rod or anything like.

1180
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Speaker 1: That, you know, but you will get like hooks so

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you can make your own rods. It depends where you

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are in the Alaska. Once you're like, there are grizzly

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bears around and stuff. So I get why people get

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a bit nervous. The Australian one. There's nothing. There's no

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other wallabies, like that was the worst animal. I don't know,

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poss some So anyway, I.

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Speaker 2: Watch that interesting.

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Speaker 1: I just want to really recommend to show The Stranger,

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which I mentioned last week. I went to the end.

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Harlan Coben is this writer and he produces and it's

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based on his book and it was just a really

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fun eight episode mystery.

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Speaker 2: So this has nothing to do necessarily with a loan.

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But my sister and I were reminiscing about this time.

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It was my parents' fiftieth anniversary and we all got

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together and we decided that we would hike from Breckinridge

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to Frisco. There's like a trail you can take that

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totally seemed manageable and doable. But some of the smarter

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people in our group made it about like a half

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mile and they were like, we're going back, and the

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rest of us were like, Oh, what's the big deal?

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You know, no big deal. Anyway, it was it I

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think that I'm thinking about this because I was like,

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what's the big deal? A nine mile hike in no

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big this is going to be fine. And by the

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end we were kind of near tears and very hungry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Also, in Colorado,

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you have to be careful because a lot of people.

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People go out on these like innocuous hikes and then

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all of a sudden, there's like a snowstorm in April,

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you know what I mean, and they're stuck and like

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the helicopters have to go get them.

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Speaker 2: And I do remember when we came into Frisco that

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there was a moose near the trailhead and people were

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freaking out about it. And I mentioned this because I

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have talked with Alaskins about this. People are always freaking

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out about bears, but they say that if you're local,

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you're more likely to freak out about the moose, like

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it's much more like dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm I'm at two with nature.

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I'm the indoor type, so I have no interest in

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being around moose. Is it mease or moose's no clue?

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Or bears? And I did actually steer that I'm two

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with nature from Woody Allen. And I want to say

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there's a new Woody Allen biography out that I think

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is the best one ever written. I've read them all,

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I'm a massive, massive fan. It's called Demochery of a Sham,

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which is a line out of bananas. Just so detailed,

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so it's just a great book. I'm kind of surprised

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that it was published, considering his position and culture right

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now and how people treat him in what they think

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of him, But it is just if you're a fan.

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I think it's fantastic and I highly recommend it. And

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that's all I have.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say on that point, I'm hoping

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we're coming out of this era as well. You think

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about like Elon Musk who's fathered yet another child who

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is not raising in an intact family, and there are

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all these problems, and Woody Allen and his behavior and

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blah blah blah. I really hope we get to the

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part where we can handle people being sinful men and

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also recognizing when they have artistic value or other greatness.

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And I don't mean by that to excuse any of

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the bad behavior, but it's just gotten. Like if you

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look throughout history, a lot of the people who accomplished

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01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:03,680
amazing things also work complete rex personally, and we should

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be able to hold two thoughts in our mind at once.

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Speaker 1: I think Nick Kve, the singer, has a I guess

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an email list where he answers readers questions, and someone

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,279
sent him in an email this week saying, you say

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you love Kanye West. You say that this song by

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Kanye West is what you want played at your funeral.

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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,520
What do you think? Now, he's a Nazi, he's an

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anti semit and all that, and he gave this just

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really thoughtful answer about Listen, you can't really separate people

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from the art. I think he's like, that's ridiculous. If

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they're bad people, you have to acknowledge that. But you also,

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in life are trying to find beauty. And if you

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find beauty in a weird place or in a place

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that has something evil associated with it, even that doesn't

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mean that the thing isn't beautiful, And you can make

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that distinction in your mind, like you were just saying,

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I mean, you don't have to pretend that it's not

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a bad that it doesn't come from a bad place,

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but it's still beautiful. So I think that's a good

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way to look at the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, like on that one in particular,

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if you Thinkanye West is in his right mind, you're

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too stupid to like function.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, I mean it is.

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Speaker 2: Not an issue of like Kanye West put a lot

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of thought into it and decided to become an anti Semite,

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Like I think Kanye West is not well and so

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when and also that he seems to maybe at different

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parts of his life beyond his meds or not. And

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so when the idea that you would judge someone's entire

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work and creative output based on the fact that they're

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01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:31,640
nuts right now, it seems just again it's like a

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01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,359
ridiculous inability to understand what's going on.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of art, you know, writers for instance,

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who are I would say anti Semites, Roald Dall or someone.

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I mean, so first of all, how long That's.

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Speaker 2: What's challenging, because he like really is right or he

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really was Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't he meant that? And yeah, I mean there

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are people who or like Richard or Wagner himself, Like,

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I mean, there are people, so you just you know,

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,479
you take it one by one. I don't think, incidentally,

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the Woody Allen falls into the Kanye West or even

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you know, Roman Polanski school. I think it's more complicated

1291
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than that. You know, we don't have to get into that.

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But yeah, I mean, I think you can appreciate our

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things that are beautiful and acknowledge that people are flawed

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and sometimes evil even and that there's still beauty. I

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don't know. It's just a weird, a weird thing to

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have to deal with, I guess. But Kanye West, yeah,

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01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,079
he's mental. I think he's mentally ill, right, and no

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one really takes them serious. I mean, it doesn't excuse

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what he's saying, but he's still not something we should

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take very seriously. Right, all right, that was a good

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way to end. Please send us mail. We're at radio

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01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:39,960
at the Federals dot com. We love to hear from

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,039
you until we see you next. Be lovers of freedom

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01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:44,039
and anxious for the pray.

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Speaker 3: That's great. It starts with the nerds.

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Speaker 4: Great bird snake scenario.

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Speaker 3: Way Lenny Bruce is not