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<v Speaker 1>I really want you to put yourself in this scenario

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. You are an astronomer, right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not just some hobbyist in a backyard with a telescope

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<v Speaker 1>you bought online. You are a trained professional at a

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<v Speaker 1>national observator.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the high end optics, the serious hardware, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got this incredible gear pointed squarely at the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just staring at that stark, beautiful, cratered surface,

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<v Speaker 1>collecting baseline.

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<v Speaker 2>Data, just a normal Tuesday night, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But then something completely shatters your sense of reality, because

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<v Speaker 1>gliding across the lunar mare casting a faint shadow is

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<v Speaker 1>a massive, dark donut shaped.

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<v Speaker 2>Spacecraft, a literal donut.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And when I say massive, I mean forty kilometers across. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that is like taking the entire city of London,

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<v Speaker 1>ripping it out of the ground and just throwing it

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<v Speaker 1>into space.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a terrifying visual by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, And it gets worse. It's cruising across the

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<v Speaker 1>lunar surface at twenty kilometers per second. And to make

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<v Speaker 1>it even wilder, your data says it is rotating, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>spinning fast enough to generate its own artificial gravity. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if I told you this was a pitch for like

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<v Speaker 1>a sci fi blockbuster, you'd probably say it sounds a

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<v Speaker 1>bit derivative.

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<v Speaker 2>A little to Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right. But here's the thing that literally kept me

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<v Speaker 1>up late last night. This wasn't a movie pitch. This

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<v Speaker 1>was an actual, formal published report issued by researchers at

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<v Speaker 1>a national government astronomical observatory in August twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it creates this immediate cognitive dissonance. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when a claim of that magnitude a forty kilometer gravity

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<v Speaker 2>generating megastructure comes from an anonymous forum post, you just

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<v Speaker 2>scroll past it, you don't even register it exactly. But

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes from an institution equipped with serious hardware,

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<v Speaker 2>an institution with a century long pedigree in the sciences,

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<v Speaker 2>your brain is just forced to halt.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to pay attention, you do.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to ask what they are actually seeing because

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<v Speaker 2>the data is real. The photons hit the camera sensor.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the actual physical reality causing that specific

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<v Speaker 2>pattern of light and shadow?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, welcome to thrilling Threads. This is the place where

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<v Speaker 1>we take a massive stack of your sources and unravel

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<v Speaker 1>the most fascinating stories hidden inside. And today, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my desk is absolutely buried.

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<v Speaker 2>You have an absurd amount of paper over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. I've been sifting through articles from space

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, the IC, the Jerusalem Post, the Skeptical Inquirer,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Key of Post. But beyond the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 1>we are diving deep into dense astrophysical preprints.

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<v Speaker 2>I heavy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, raw data reports from the Ukrainian National Academy of

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<v Speaker 1>Sciences and incredibly detailed analytical essays by Harvard astronomers. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to read some of these physics papers three times

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<v Speaker 1>just to wrap my head around the math.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a genuinely staggering collection of information. You have

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<v Speaker 2>this wild collision of mainstream news hysteria, frontline military intelligence reporting,

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<v Speaker 2>and highly technical, peer reviewed astrophysics, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all swirling around the exact same patches guy, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mission today is to tear into these wild

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<v Speaker 1>August twenty twenty six reports from this Ukrainian observatory claiming

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<v Speaker 1>giant UAP's unidentified aerial phenomena. We're just swarm in the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>But we aren't just going to look at the headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not at all. We are going to trace the

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<v Speaker 1>history of these specific claims backward. We have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the ongoing war in the region, the psychological pressure

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<v Speaker 1>cooker these scientists were operating, which is huge, it's everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we are going to use rigorous, step by

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<v Speaker 1>step optical physics to figure out what was actually happening

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<v Speaker 1>in sicilunar space.

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<v Speaker 2>And for you listening, the reason this specific case study

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<v Speaker 2>is so vital is that we live in a hyper

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<v Speaker 2>connected era. A headline about a forty kilometer lunar spaceship

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<v Speaker 2>will travel around the globe ten times before the scientific

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<v Speaker 2>method can even get out of bed.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so true.

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<v Speaker 2>The story we are dissecting today is an absolute masterclass

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<v Speaker 2>in critical thinking. It demonstrates in brutal real time just

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<v Speaker 2>how easily advanced technology, raw data, and brilliant minds can

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<v Speaker 2>be utterly compromised when the world around you is in

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<v Speaker 2>a state of chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start peeling back the layers. If frontline troops

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<v Speaker 1>and astronomers were suddenly seeing massive anomalies on the Moon

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty six, we have to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>that paranoia got started.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't just jump straight to the forty kilometer donut exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to rewind the clock to September twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two because this was part of an ongoing, highly documented saga.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a paper published on the pre print server

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<v Speaker 1>ARKIV by a researcher named Boris Ziliev and his team

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<v Speaker 1>working out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the main astronomical observatory of the National Academy of

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<v Speaker 2>Sciences of Ukraine, the MAO NASU.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and we should probably establish what that is, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>To give some crucial context, the MAO NASHUE is not

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<v Speaker 2>a fringe organization. It was founded in nineteen forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four, so they've been around long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a highly respected body that has contributed significantly

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<v Speaker 2>to our understanding of the cosmos, from planetary physics to

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<v Speaker 2>stellar dynamics. The global science tific community pays attention to

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<v Speaker 2>their publication.

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<v Speaker 1>They are amateurs, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>In this particular twenty twenty two paper, Ziv and his

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<v Speaker 2>team were utilizing specially calibrated meteor cameras at two distinct

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<v Speaker 1>One was located in the capital.

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<v Speaker 2>Kiev, right, yes, and the other was in a village

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<v Speaker 2>called Vinnerifka, which sits about one hundred and twenty kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>to the south Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So they published this paper claiming that the daytime sky

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<v Speaker 1>over Ukraine was practically swarming with unidentified craft and they

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<v Speaker 1>broke these objects down into two very specific categories.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one was the cosmics, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They described these as luminous objects, meaning they were visibly

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<v Speaker 1>brighter than the background of the bright daytime sky, and

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<v Speaker 1>they gave him these majestic bird names like swift, falcon, eagle.

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<v Speaker 2>Very poetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They claimed these cosmics were flying solo but also

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<v Speaker 1>in coordinated squadrons. But the second category they documented was well,

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<v Speaker 1>far more perplexing from a physics standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>They labeled them phantoms. Phantoms according to their censor data,

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<v Speaker 2>phantoms were completely dark objects. They described them as having

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<v Speaker 2>a contrast of practically zero, meaning they were entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>Black, just absorbing every single photon of light that hit

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<v Speaker 1>them exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And based on the dual camera setup they were using

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<v Speaker 2>between Key and Venerifka, the team calculated that these phantoms

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<v Speaker 2>were between ten to forty feet wide, so roughly three

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve meters across.

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<v Speaker 1>And the kicker was the speed they clocked these pitch

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<v Speaker 1>black objects traveling through the lower atmosphere at speeds to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen kilometers per second. That is roughly thirty three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles per hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that number is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember reading that in the source material and just

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<v Speaker 1>stopping cold. Thirty three thousand miles per hour. Let's ground

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<v Speaker 1>that in reality for a second for everyone listening. An

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<v Speaker 1>intercontinental ballistic missile re entering the atmosphere tops out of

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<v Speaker 1>what maybe fifteen thousand miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Per hour around there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and those things are designed specifically to survive massive

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<v Speaker 1>thermal friction. They still look like blazing meteors when they come.

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<v Speaker 2>Down, literal fireballs.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So the Ukrainian team is cleaning objects twice as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as our fastest nuclear delivery systems are flying around.

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<v Speaker 1>My immediate thought is, if a completely black object the

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<v Speaker 1>size of a school bus is moving at thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles per hour through the thickest part of its atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it stay black?

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't the sheer friction ignite the air around it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen a shooting star, that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>fire visible for hundreds of miles.

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<v Speaker 2>A tiny pebble exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So how could something massive move that fast, completely silently

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<v Speaker 1>and not look like a miniature sun.

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<v Speaker 2>That intuition you have is the exact physical paradox that

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<v Speaker 2>caught the attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Auvi Lobe, the Harvard guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's a former chair of the astronomy department at

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard University and the head of the Galileo project, which

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<v Speaker 2>specifically looks for evidence of extraterrestrial technological signatures.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's not a skeptic who just dismisses UFOs out

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<v Speaker 1>of hand.

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<v Speaker 2>The furthest thing from it. Loba is highly receptive to

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of non human technology. He wrote a whole

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<v Speaker 2>book arguing that the interstellar object Umorimua might have been

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<v Speaker 2>an artificial solar sale. Oh wow, right, so he is

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<v Speaker 2>not a rigid dismiss a skeptic. But when he read

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<v Speaker 2>this twenty twenty two paper from the Ukrainian Observatory, he

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<v Speaker 2>immediately identified a fundamental breakdown in the basic laws of

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<v Speaker 2>thermodynamics and optics.

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<v Speaker 1>Because physics is physics, right, It doesn't matter if the

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<v Speaker 1>craft was built in a secret underground base or in

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<v Speaker 1>another star system. Precisely, if it is flying through our air,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to interact with the nitrogen and oxibure molecules

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<v Speaker 1>in our air.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the cornerstone of lobes rebettal. It relies on

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<v Speaker 2>an elegant, unbreakable chain of logic. The Ukrainian astronomers only

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<v Speaker 2>detected these phantoms because they appeared dark against a bright sky. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>tracking For any physical object to appear dark against a

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<v Speaker 2>bright daytime background, it must be blocking the background light

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<v Speaker 2>from reaching the camera lens makes sense. Light itself is

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<v Speaker 2>an electromagnetic wave. Therefore, if the object is successful blocking light,

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<v Speaker 2>it is interacting electromagnetically with matter. And if it interacts

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<v Speaker 2>with light, there is absolutely no physical loophole that allows

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<v Speaker 2>it to pass through a dense soup of atmospheric gases

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<v Speaker 2>without also interacting with those air molecules.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like walking through a crowded room. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't say I'm only going to bump into the people

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<v Speaker 1>wearing red shirts, but I'll magically pass right through the

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<v Speaker 1>people wearing blue shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>If the object is solid enough to block photons of light,

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<v Speaker 1>it is solid enough to smash into a wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Of oxygen that is a perfect way to visualize it.

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<v Speaker 2>In physics, we talk about this in terms of a

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<v Speaker 2>cross section.

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<v Speaker 1>A cross section.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, think of a cross section as the effective target

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<v Speaker 2>area an object presents for a specific type of collision.

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<v Speaker 2>The cross section for the electromagnetic interaction of air molecules

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<v Speaker 2>with solid matter is actually substantially larger than it is

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<v Speaker 2>for light with matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it hits more air than it does light exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So if this phantom is plowing through the troposphere, pushing

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<v Speaker 2>trillions of air molecules out of the way at fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>kilometers per secon the kinetic energy being converted into heat

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<v Speaker 2>would be catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just be a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Lobe actually sat down and did the math. He calculated

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<v Speaker 2>that an object three to twelve meters wide, moving at

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen kilometers per second in the lower atmosphere would release

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<v Speaker 2>To put a tarowat of continuous power into perspective, it

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, the entire human race at once.

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<v Speaker 2>Every city, every factory, every light bulb on Earth combined, right,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that energy released by a single object in

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<v Speaker 2>the sky over Kiev. It wouldn't be a dark, stealthy phantom.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a blindingly bright, world shaking fireball that

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<v Speaker 1>Just from the heat of it pushing the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and because the astronomers explicitly stated in their data

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<v Speaker 2>Kiev was not vaporized by a tarot watt firebug, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Which we would have noticed.

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<v Speaker 2>Lobe concluded that their fundamental kinematic measurements had to be

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<v Speaker 1>So if the laws of physics aren't broken, then the

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<v Speaker 1>math on the paper is broken. Exactly If they got

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<v Speaker 1>the speed and the size that drastically wrong, there is

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<v Speaker 1>only one variable in their equation that could be throwing

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<v Speaker 1>everything else off. They must have messed at the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>The distance is the key.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought they were looking at massive objects very high up,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were actually looking at small things much closer

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<v Speaker 2>That is the exact deduction Lowe made He reasoned that

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainian team had overestimated the distance to these objects

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<v Speaker 2>by a factor of ten.

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<v Speaker 1>A factor of ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in optics, angular velocity, which is how fast something

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<v Speaker 2>appears to move across your field of vision, is entirely

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on distance. If you take their data and assume

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<v Speaker 2>than the astronomers calculated, everything snaps back into physical reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if we fix the math, would we get.

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<v Speaker 2>Their angular motion across the sky now translates to a

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<v Speaker 2>physical speed that is ten times slower, so about one

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<v Speaker 2>point five kilometers per second, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is still fast, but not thirty three thousand miles an hour, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the physical size of the objects becomes ten times smaller,

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<v Speaker 2>roughly zero point three to one point two meters.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me process that one point five kilometers per second

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<v Speaker 2>Does that ring any bells?

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds terrifyingly familiar, especially considering where this observatory is located.

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<v Speaker 1>They were looking up at the sky over Kievan twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. That isn't an alien spacecraft. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>exact size and speed profile of an artillery shell.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a sobering tragic realization. The researchers were utilizing

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly sensitive equipment to observe the skies over an active,

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<v Speaker 2>brutal war zone. They were capturing the ballistic arc of

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<v Speaker 2>heavy artillery and misinterpreting the data as hypersonic, extraterrestrial or

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to bring up another perspective on this

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two paper, though, Okay sure, because our sources

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Mick West, the researcher who runs the metabunk form.

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<v Speaker 1>He spends his life analyzing and debunking UAP footage. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the same data from the Ukrainian team, but

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<v Speaker 1>came with a slightly different conclusion than Lobe about what

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Mick West proposed a biological explanation bugs basic exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>He argued that the dark phantoms were likely insects like

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<v Speaker 2>flies or beetles, flying extremely close to the camera lens.

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<v Speaker 2>His argument hinged on the frame by frame data provided

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<v Speaker 2>by the observatory so well. In the sequential photographs, the

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<v Speaker 2>objects appeared to change their speed erratically. In one fraction

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<v Speaker 2>of a second, the object covered a certain number of pixels,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the next rame it covered twice as many, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like it was speeding up and slowing down right.

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<v Speaker 2>West argued that an artillery shell follows a very predictable,

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<v Speaker 2>smooth ballistic trajectory. It doesn't radically hit the gas mid air.

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<v Speaker 2>But an insect darting around a few feet from a

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<v Speaker 2>lens absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the classic out of focus bug tricking a security camera.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all seen those videos of ghosts that turn out

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<v Speaker 2>But Lobe pushed back on the insect theory, didn't he

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<v Speaker 2>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>He pointed out that Mick West was falling into a

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<v Speaker 2>He did, and it highlights a brilliant nuance in optical geometry.

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<v Speaker 2>Lobe countered by explaining that an object moving at a

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly constant speed can create the visual illusion of changing

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<v Speaker 2>speed if its distance relative to the observer is changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, explain that a bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about standing on a sidewalk as a car drives

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<v Speaker 2>past you. When the car is a mile down the

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<v Speaker 2>road coming toward you, it looks like it's barely moving.

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<v Speaker 2>As it gets right in front of you, it zips

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<v Speaker 2>past in a blur. Then as it drives away, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to slow down again. Oh, I see the car

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<v Speaker 2>didn't suddenly hit the brakes and then accelerate. Its angular

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<v Speaker 2>velocity across your field of vision changed based on its proximity.

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<v Speaker 1>To you, because the closer it is, the more your

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<v Speaker 1>field of view it crosses in the same amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, Lobe argued that the the erratic pixel jumps in

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainian data, we're perfectly consistent with constant speed artillery

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<v Speaker 2>shells moving on an angle either toward or away from

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<v Speaker 2>the cameras, rather than perfectly parallel to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible to think about highly educated astronomers looking at

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<v Speaker 1>their own skies and coming away with such a massive misinterpretations.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>But to really grasp how a century old institution could

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<v Speaker 1>make these errors, we can't just look at the math.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to look at the psychology of the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>The context is everything we need.

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<v Speaker 1>To transition from the quiet academic observatories to the muddy,

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic front lines of the military. Because this isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>a story about miscalibrated telescopes. It's a story about the

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<v Speaker 1>devastating fog of war and how prolonged anxiety literally rewires

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<v Speaker 2>The historical context here is vital for understanding that psychological shift.

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<v Speaker 2>If we look back to nineteen sixty seven, during the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet era, planetary scientists working at this very same main

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<v Speaker 2>astronomical observatory.

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<v Speaker 1>In people like ikkovel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes prominent figures like him, regularly observed strange anomalies. They

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<v Speaker 2>saw flashing, reddish objects and strange streaks in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>But their institutional culture at the time was intensely conservative

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<v Speaker 2>and grounded.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did they do with those reports?

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<v Speaker 2>They collectively dismissed all of it. They attributed it to

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<v Speaker 2>satellite orbital decay, rocket booster stages, re entering the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 2>or just weird atmospheric phenomena. They had absolutely zero interest

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<v Speaker 2>in entertaining the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>So what changed? Why did the same institution go from

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<v Speaker 1>rolling their eyes and flashing lights in nineteen sixty seven

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<v Speaker 1>to publishing papers about alien armadas in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because the sky itself weaponized.

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<v Speaker 1>Right post independence and severely post twenty twenty two, monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>the airspace over Ukraine was no longer an esoteric academic

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of charting stars or tracking meteor showers.

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<v Speaker 2>It became a desperate, high stakes requirement for national survival.

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<v Speaker 1>The national security apparatus was forced to heavily militarize every

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of airspace monitoring. When your cities and power grids

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<v Speaker 1>are under constant daily threat from ballistic missiles, hypersonic lide bombs,

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<v Speaker 1>and autonomous drone swarms.

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<v Speaker 2>The luxury of academic skepticism evaporates.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly every single anomalous blip on a radar screen, every

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<v Speaker 1>flash of light in the sky is a potential mass

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<v Speaker 1>casualty event. You have thousands of soldiers and defense personnel

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<v Speaker 1>looking up, and they are tasked with instantly differentiating between

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<v Speaker 1>a domestic reconnaissance drone, a foreign loitering munition and incoming

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<v Speaker 1>cruise missile, a harmless weather balloon or a starlink satellite.

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<v Speaker 2>The pressure is unimaginable, and.

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<v Speaker 1>When your brain is subjected to that kind of unrelenting,

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<v Speaker 1>high stake stress, it starts seeing threats everywhere. You are

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<v Speaker 1>actively primed to find the monster.

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<v Speaker 2>In the dark, which brings us to a crucial incident.

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<v Speaker 2>In our source material from May twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Five, Yes, the flash video right which.

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<v Speaker 2>The military didn't declassify and make public until a year

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<v Speaker 2>later in May twenty twenty six. This came directly from

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<v Speaker 2>a senior Ukrainian drone warfare and electronic intelligence advisor named

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<v Speaker 2>Serhi Biskresnov.

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<v Speaker 1>Who goes by the call sign flash. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The flash video sent shockwaves through the defense intelligence community.

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<v Speaker 2>The footage was captured by a pilot from the Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 2>Unmanned System's Forces.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were just using a regular drone, right yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The pilot was operating a standard commercially available DJI Mavic

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<v Speaker 2>three T drone. It's heavily utilized in the conflict because

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<v Speaker 2>it is equipped with a high resolution thermal imaging camera.

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<v Speaker 1>Very useful for spotting things at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely during active combat operations. At an altitude of roughly

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred meters, this drone pilot captured a crystal clear

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<v Speaker 2>infrared video of a highly anomalous object hovering over the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>The visual description of this object from the thermal feed

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<v Speaker 1>is pure nightmare fuel for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Soldier, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It was described as a flattened spherical central body, but

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<v Speaker 1>protruding from it were six very distinct, sharply pointed cones

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<v Speaker 1>or spikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a sea orch and almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes or bizarre mine and on the thermal camera which

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<v Speaker 1>reads heat signatures. It had a pronounced highly active thermal

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<v Speaker 1>plume trailing behind it, so.

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<v Speaker 2>It was generating heat, lots of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the detail that really got under my skin when

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<v Speaker 1>reading the report was its behavior. It was just hovering there,

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<v Speaker 1>completely silent, moving at a crawl, and totally unresponsive to

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<v Speaker 1>the military drone observing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't try to evase.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it just floated over an active war zone.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason the specific footage caught fire globally wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>its bizarre shape, but its morphological twin in the historical record.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, we've seen this shape before.

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<v Speaker 2>We have. In twenty thirteen, a United States Central Command

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<v Speaker 2>infrared platform operating in a combat zone in the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East captured a strikingly similar video.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? That incident is designated in US intelligence files as

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<v Speaker 2>dowuap p R thirty eight. The twenty thirteen American video

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<v Speaker 2>showed an eight pointed star shaped object, also featuring alternating

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<v Speaker 2>cones or arms, projecting from a central hub, floating over

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<v Speaker 2>a military area.

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<v Speaker 1>So twelve years earlier, a totally different military force saw

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<v Speaker 1>almost the exact same spike sphere.

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<v Speaker 2>There were technical differences, To be fair, the US footage

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<v Speaker 2>showed internal cold spots within the main body, whereas the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian footage showed a distinct external heat plume.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so different thermal signatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But the geometric similarities between the two objects, observed

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years apart in entirely different war zones were impossible

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<v Speaker 2>for intelligence analysts to ignore.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's put ourselves in the boots of that Ukrainian drone

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<v Speaker 1>pilot for a second. You are operating in a trench.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the spike heat venting sphere hovering above your sector.

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<v Speaker 1>Your first thought is absolutely not, oh wow, we are

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<v Speaker 1>being visited by interdimensional beings.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not.

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<v Speaker 1>Your immediate panic conducing thought is what kind of black

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<v Speaker 1>budget enemy tech is this?

434
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<v Speaker 2>Is it a new electronic warfare jammer?

435
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<v Speaker 1>Right? Is it a laser designator painting my unit for

436
00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.759
<v Speaker 1>an artillery strike? When your entire daily existence revolves around

437
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<v Speaker 1>sing an endless barrage of advanced weaponry, your brain files

438
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<v Speaker 1>everything under enemy threat.

439
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<v Speaker 2>That is the critical geopolitical and psychological bedrock of this

440
00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.519
<v Speaker 2>entire deep diet, Well, this entire thrilling threads analysis. The

441
00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:19.039
<v Speaker 2>military anxiety bleeds directly into the civilian and academic sectors because.

442
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<v Speaker 1>The astronomers are living in the exact same world as

443
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<v Speaker 1>the soldiers.

444
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.279
<v Speaker 2>The exact same combat environment. The immense pressure to monitor

445
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<v Speaker 2>the sky, combined with the constant looming dread of advanced,

446
00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.400
<v Speaker 2>unclassified enemy weaponry created a cognitive environment that was incredibly

447
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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable to misinterpreting data.

448
00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:39.799
<v Speaker 1>The baseline level of institutional paranoia and urgency had completely

449
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<v Speaker 1>eroded the standard scientific filters.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It stripped them away.

451
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<v Speaker 1>If frontline troops are seeing spiked spheres on thermal cameras

452
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<v Speaker 1>in your city as being bombed daily, your threshold for

453
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<v Speaker 1>what constitutes normal is just gone. And this is the

454
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<v Speaker 1>vital context that explains how we finally arrive at the

455
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<v Speaker 1>main event.

456
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<v Speaker 2>The August twenty twenty six lunar reports.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we've unraveled the twenty twenty two fantoms that turned

458
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<v Speaker 1>out to be artillery shells. We've analyzed the twenty twenty

459
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<v Speaker 1>five military drones spouting thermal spheres. Now the stage is

460
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<v Speaker 1>perfectly set to understand the staggering reality breaking claims published

461
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<v Speaker 1>regarding the moon.

462
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<v Speaker 2>This is the moment the narrative escalates from misidentified local

463
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<v Speaker 2>phenomena in the Earth's atmosphere to alleged megastructures operating in

464
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<v Speaker 2>deep sicaluinar space.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I want to set the scene for this because the

466
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<v Speaker 1>details matter. We are back at the vineyf To Metior station,

467
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<v Speaker 1>that small village about one hundred and twenty kilometers south.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Of Kiev, same one from the twenty twenty two paper.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the observations took place over the late summer and

470
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<v Speaker 1>autumn of twenty twenty five, so they spent months analyzing

471
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<v Speaker 1>the data before the reports caused an absolute uproar at

472
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<v Speaker 1>the Third Summer School on Atrophysics in Kiev in August

473
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at the hardware they were relying on, because

475
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<v Speaker 2>it's important, go for it. They were using an Intersalter

476
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<v Speaker 2>M six ZHO three telescope. They paired this with an

477
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<v Speaker 2>ASI two ninety four pro Hi speed astronomical camera. They

478
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<v Speaker 2>were shooting continuous video of the Moon at twenty to

479
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<v Speaker 2>fifty frames per.

480
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<v Speaker 1>Second, which means their exposure times were really short.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly the amount of time the camera shutter is

482
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<v Speaker 2>open to collect light for each frame was incredibly short,

483
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<v Speaker 2>Just tiny fractions of a second, what does that matter? Well,

484
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<v Speaker 2>using high frame rates and short exposure times is standard

485
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<v Speaker 2>operating procedure if your goal is to track fast moving,

486
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<v Speaker 2>bright objects like meteors burning up in the atmosphere.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Which is what a met youor station normally does exactly.

488
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<v Speaker 2>But as we will explore in a moment, that exact

489
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<v Speaker 2>hardware configuration becomes an immense liability when you are trying

490
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<v Speaker 2>to resolve faint, low contrast objects against an overwhelmingly bright

491
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<v Speaker 2>background like the illuminated surface of the Moon.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, put a pin in that. Let's look at what

493
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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainian team actually claimed to have found on September seven,

494
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. They categorize these lunar anomalies into two

495
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<v Speaker 1>distinct buckets.

496
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<v Speaker 2>The first group they called atmospheric anomalies.

497
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<v Speaker 1>Now they didn't meet Earth's atmosphere. They meant these objects

498
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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be positioned in the extremely thin exosphere of

499
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<v Speaker 1>the Moon, locked in place relative to the lunar surface,

500
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<v Speaker 1>hovering there. Yeah, and they claimed these objects were flashing

501
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<v Speaker 1>rapidly pulsing light two dy eight times per second.

502
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<v Speaker 2>The flashing alone is unusual, but the detail that elevated

503
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<v Speaker 2>this from an oddity to a claim of extraterrestrial intelligence

504
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<v Speaker 2>was the assertion of synchronous behavior.

505
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<v Speaker 1>Synchronous like flashing together.

506
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the team stated that their analysis proved these objects,

507
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<v Speaker 2>which appeared to be separated by hundreds of kilometers across

508
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<v Speaker 2>the lunar disc were flashing in perfect.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Unison across hundreds of miles.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Yes. They ran the data and maintained there was a

511
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<v Speaker 2>statistically significant correlation in the light pulses. To the researchers,

512
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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't random noise. This suggested coordinated active communication between

513
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<v Speaker 2>anchored cislunar stations.

514
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<v Speaker 1>They thought they were watching a massive alien communications array

515
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<v Speaker 1>pinging data back and forth across the Moon.

516
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<v Speaker 2>It's an incredible conclusion to jump to.

517
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<v Speaker 1>And the sheer scale of these objects. The used radiometric

518
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<v Speaker 1>math comparing the brightness of the flashing anomaly to the

519
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<v Speaker 1>known reflection of sunlight off the lunar surface.

520
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<v Speaker 2>And what do they calculate?

521
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<v Speaker 1>They calculated that these quote unquote stations were anywhere from

522
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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and ten meters to eighteen hundred meters wide.

523
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<v Speaker 1>That is a space station over a mile wide.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Over a mile.

525
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<v Speaker 1>But incredibly, that was the conservative part of the paper

526
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<v Speaker 1>that was nothing compared to their second.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Category, the continental anomalies.

528
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if the atmospheric anomalies were bright, flashing stations, the

529
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<v Speaker 1>continental anomalies were the exact opposite. They described these as massive,

530
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<v Speaker 1>extremely dark targets moving actively and deliberately across the lunar surface.

531
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<v Speaker 2>The team calculated a contrast of just three percent to

532
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<v Speaker 2>ten percent against the lunar background with an incredibly tiny

533
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<v Speaker 2>albedo of point zero two nine.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Let's define albedo really quickly for anyone who is an

535
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<v Speaker 1>an astrophysicist. Is that basically just a measurement of how

536
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<v Speaker 1>reflective a surface.

537
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<v Speaker 2>Is spot on. Albedo is a measure of reflectivity on

538
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<v Speaker 2>a scale from zero to one. An albedo of zero

539
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<v Speaker 2>means an object is a perfect black body absorbing all light,

540
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<v Speaker 2>while an albedo of one means it reflects all light

541
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<v Speaker 2>like a perfect mirror.

542
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<v Speaker 1>So an albedo of points zero two nine.

543
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<v Speaker 2>Means these objects were absorbing over ninety seven percent of

544
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<v Speaker 2>the sunlight hitting them Against the bright reflective surface of

545
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<v Speaker 2>the Moon. They appeared as massive, moving ink black shadows.

546
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<v Speaker 1>So they had these incredibly faint, fast moving shadows on

547
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<v Speaker 1>their video feed. What do they do they take this

548
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<v Speaker 1>video data and run it through image enhancement software called

549
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<v Speaker 1>matt Lab to try and pull out the detail, which.

550
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<v Speaker 2>Is where things get really messy.

551
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because when they cranked up the contrast algorithms on

552
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<v Speaker 1>these shadows, they claimed the software revealed distinct structured shapes.

553
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<v Speaker 1>They report seeing flat disks, and most infamously, massive toroids.

554
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<v Speaker 2>A toroid is the geometric term for a donut or

555
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<v Speaker 2>a ring.

556
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<v Speaker 1>Shape, and the scale they calculated is just baffling. They

557
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<v Speaker 1>claimed these donut shaped craft were thirteen to forty kilometers wide,

558
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<v Speaker 1>traveling across the Moon at speeds of six to twenty

559
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<v Speaker 1>kilometers per second.

560
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>The kinematic calculations the complex math detailing how these objects

561
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 2>were moving through space became the centerpiece of their follow

562
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<v Speaker 2>up paper, which had the rather sensational title UFO Dynamics

563
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<v Speaker 2>on the Moon.

564
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't say they didn't know how to

565
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<v Speaker 1>write a catchy title.

566
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<v Speaker 2>True. The team focused intensely on one specific toroid that

567
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<v Speaker 2>they calculated to be thirty six kilometers wide. In their

568
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<v Speaker 2>sequential frames, they measured this colossal ring rotating four point

569
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<v Speaker 2>three degrees in two seconds.

570
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<v Speaker 1>Guys, it's spinning if.

571
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<v Speaker 2>You extrapolate that out, it gives the object a full

572
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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty degree rotation period of one hundred

573
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<v Speaker 2>and fifty seven seconds.

574
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<v Speaker 1>I remember doing the math on that while reading the

575
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>prep materials in my brain just rebelled. They calculated that

576
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<v Speaker 1>a thirty six kilometer wide solid ring spinning a full

577
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>rotation every two and a half minutes would generate massive

578
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<v Speaker 1>centrifugal force. It would, They stated, it would create an

579
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<v Speaker 1>artificial gravity of point four to seven g at its

580
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>outer rim. That is almost half of Earth's gravity just

581
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<v Speaker 1>from the spin. And they claimed other objects in the

582
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 1>video were spinning so violently they were generating over two

583
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<v Speaker 1>times Earth's gravity.

584
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<v Speaker 2>They weren't just claiming to have spotted a weird rock.

585
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.039
<v Speaker 2>They were explicitly claiming to have discovered massive non human

586
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>spacecraft utilizing advanced artificial gravity to navigate the lunar environment.

587
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Staggering and to defend the plausibility of their findings, they

588
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<v Speaker 2>heavily cited previous anomalous literature, specifically a twenty twenty study

589
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<v Speaker 2>by an analyst named Mark Carlotto.

590
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<v Speaker 1>Oh Right, the Carlato study.

591
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<v Speaker 2>Carlato had analyzed video taken by an amateur French astronomer

592
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 2>showing dark objects transitting across the lunar crater Endymion. Carloto

593
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>used the known one hundred kilometer width of the Endymion

594
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 2>crater to calculate that the objects in that twenty twenty

595
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>video were traveling at roughly fifty kilometers per second.

596
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<v Speaker 1>Fifty kilometers per second, yes, to.

597
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<v Speaker 2>Put that in perspective, that is thirty times faster than

598
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<v Speaker 2>a standard low lunar orbit. The Ukrainian team used Carlotto's

599
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>paper as a shield, arguing, you know, hypersonic massive lunar

600
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>craft have been documented in the literature before, just confirming it.

601
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 1>But hold on a second, we need a pause, step

602
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>back from the spreadsheets and just apply some basic macroscopic

603
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>common sense. Here a forty kilometers spinning doughnut going twenty

604
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<v Speaker 1>kilometers a second.

605
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to visualize it is.

606
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 1>That is a physical object twice the size of the

607
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 1>island of Manhattan. Imagine picking up Manhattan, spinning it like

608
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a centrifuge, and flying it from New York to Philadelphia

609
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>in about five seconds.

610
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<v Speaker 2>The air resistance alone, well there's no air but the

611
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<v Speaker 2>inertia right.

612
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 1>The sheer kinetic energy, the material strength required to hold

613
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>a ring of that size together under those gravitational sheer forces.

614
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<v Speaker 1>It defies all known material science. How could seasoned professional

615
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>scientists at a national academy look at this data and

616
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>confidently publish something so seemingly absurd?

617
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<v Speaker 2>That is the pivotal question of this entire investigation. How

618
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>does rigorously train scientific methodology go so spectacularly wrong?

619
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>It has to be a mistake, right.

620
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>The answer isn't that they were unintelligent. The answer is

621
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>a fast cascading series of errors in astrophysics, optics, and

622
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>computational mathematics. Let's systemically dismantle these claims.

623
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it, and we have to.

624
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Start with the most fatal foundational flaw in their entire methodology,

625
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>which is the degeneracy error.

626
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 1>All right, break this down for me. What exactly is

627
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<v Speaker 1>a degeneracy error.

628
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<v Speaker 2>To understand the error, we have to contrast it with

629
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<v Speaker 2>what they did right in the past. Think back to

630
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<v Speaker 2>their twenty twenty two observations of the artillery shells the

631
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<v Speaker 2>phantoms over Kiev. Even though they got the nature of

632
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 2>the object wrong, their baseline distance tracking was grounded in

633
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 2>a solid concept which was wide. They used two cameras.

634
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<v Speaker 2>One camera was in Kiev, the other was in Vinarifka

635
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty kilometers apart. By having two different

636
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 2>physical dvantage points looking at the exact same object in

637
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 2>the sky, they could use trigonometry to calculate parallax.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, Like, if I hold my thumb out at

639
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<v Speaker 1>arm's lengths, close my left eye, and look at it

640
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with my right eye, it aligns with a certain lamp

641
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>in my room. Yes, perfect, But if I switch eyes,

642
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 1>my thumb appears to jump three feet to the left

643
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>against the background. Because I know the distance between my

644
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>two eyes, my brain can automatically calculate how far away

645
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>my thumb is exactly.

646
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>That is dual station triangulation. It gives you the absolute

647
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>hard physical distance to an object. If you know the distance,

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<v Speaker 2>you can accurately calculate both its true size and its

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<v Speaker 2>true speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's what they did in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But for these August twenty twenty six Lunar reports,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainian team completely abandoned that method. The vinery of

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<v Speaker 2>cstation relied entirely on single station line of sight tracking.

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<v Speaker 2>They were using just one telescope.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I see where this is going. If you

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<v Speaker 1>only have one camera, you lose depth perception.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, when you only have one telescope looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>dark dot moving across a bright background, you collide head

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<v Speaker 2>on with the distant size speed degeneracy.

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<v Speaker 1>The distant size speed degeneration.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a fundamental limitation of optics. If you do not

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<v Speaker 2>possess an independent way to measure exactly how far away

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<v Speaker 2>the object is from your lens, you literally cannot know

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<v Speaker 2>its true size or.

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<v Speaker 1>Its true speed, because it could be anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Mathematically speaking, a tiny, slow moving object located very close

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<v Speaker 2>to your telescope looks identical on a two D sensor

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<v Speaker 2>to a massive, incredibly fast object located hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like going Imagine you are looking out the window

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<v Speaker 1>of an airplane at cruising altitude. You see a dark

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<v Speaker 1>shape flying past your window against the backdrop of the

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<v Speaker 1>patchwork farm fields below right. If you assume the shape

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<v Speaker 1>is way down there, thousands of feet below, skimming the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>you might calculate that it's a massive Boeing seven forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven flying at five hundred miles an hour, But in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>it could just be a pigeon flying ten feet outside

678
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<v Speaker 1>your window, exactly because it's a silhouette against the background

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<v Speaker 1>without depth perception. The math for a distant seven forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven and a close pigeon is exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a brilliant analogy, and that is precisely the

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<v Speaker 2>trap the Ukrainian researchers fell into. They made one massive,

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<v Speaker 2>unverified foundational assumption.

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<v Speaker 1>They assumed it was at the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because the objects were visually crossing the face of

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon in the telescope's eye piece. They simply assumed

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<v Speaker 2>the objects were physically located at the Moon, which is

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<v Speaker 2>roughly three hundred and eighty four thousand, four hundred kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single mind bending calculation, the forty kilometer size, the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty kilometer per second speed, the artificial gravity was entirely

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<v Speaker 2>built on that single unverified assumption of distance.

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<v Speaker 1>So the entire house of cards rests on the distance.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play with that math. What happens if we pull

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<v Speaker 1>that assumed distance way back? What if the object isn't

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and eighty four thousand kilometers away in lunar orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do exactly what the peer reviewers did and apply

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<v Speaker 2>the kinematic math to a much more terrestrial common scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's assume the object is actually in.

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<v Speaker 1>Lower orbit leo, Okay, much closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say it is orbiting about one thousand kilometers above

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<v Speaker 2>the surface of the Earth, and it just happened to

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<v Speaker 2>pass through the telescope's line of sight while they were

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<v Speaker 2>filming the Moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>If we shrink the assumed distance in their formulas from

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and eighty four thousand, four hundred kilometers down

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<v Speaker 2>to just one thousand kilometers, the math collapses instantly into reality.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens to the doughnut that terrifying gravity generating thirty

710
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 2>six kilometer wide toroid? It instantly shrinks down to just

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three point six meters across.

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00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute. Ninety three point six meters, Well, that

713
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<v Speaker 1>isn't just a random number that feels incredibly specifically familiar

714
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<v Speaker 1>in aerospace, It.

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<v Speaker 2>Is extremely specific. Ninety three point six meters is the

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<v Speaker 2>exact physical length and optical profile of a SpaceX Falcon

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<v Speaker 2>nine upper stage rocket or a similarly sized standard piece

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<v Speaker 2>of heavy orbital space debris.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>And let's look at the speed under this new distance assumption.

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<v Speaker 2>It drops from a hypersonic impossible twenty kilometers per second

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<v Speaker 2>down to a leisurely twenty eight point six meters per

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<v Speaker 2>second relative to the observer's angular line of sight.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me guess that speed is normal.

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00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>That speed at that distance is the standard mundane orbital

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00:34:58.360 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 2>velocity of space junk.

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<v Speaker 1>That is absolutely unbelievable. They thought they were looking at

728
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>a Manhattan sized alien mothership cruising over lunar craters, but

729
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 1>they were actually just staring at a discarded piece of

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk's space junk drifting in Earth's orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is quite the realization.

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<v Speaker 1>And the irony here is palpable, because, if I recall correctly,

733
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<v Speaker 1>a falcon On upper stage actually did impact the Moon

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<v Speaker 1>in August twenty twenty six, the entire cislunar environment was

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<v Speaker 1>practically a junkyard of our own making at that time.

736
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Exactly we are polluting our own line of sight.

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00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.519
<v Speaker 1>But identifying the object as a rocket booster only solves

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00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 1>the size and speed anomaly. True, we still have to

739
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 1>dismantle the rest of their claims. For instance, what about

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<v Speaker 1>the atmospheric anomalies. The researchers claimed they had video of

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<v Speaker 1>objects positioned hundreds of kilometers apart on the lunar surface,

742
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 1>flashing in perfect synchronous unison. How does a piece of

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00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>dead space junk explain coordinated Morse code?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't, and the objects weren't flashing. What the astronomers

745
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>recorded was a classic fundamental optical phenomenon known as atmospheric scintillation.

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<v Speaker 1>Scintillation is that the scientific term for why stars appear

747
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<v Speaker 1>to twinkle when we look up at night.

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<v Speaker 2>It is exactly that space is a vacuum, but Earth

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00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.719
<v Speaker 2>is wrapped in a thick blanket of moving gas. When

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<v Speaker 2>light from a distant source, whether it's a star or

751
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>sunlight reflecting off space debris, or the Moon itself, passes

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00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 2>down through Earth's atmosphere to reach a telescope lens, it

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00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't travel in a straight, unimpeded line.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets messed up by the air.

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00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Right it hits turbulent layers of air. These layers have

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<v Speaker 2>different temperatures, different densities, and shifting thermal currents. Think of

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<v Speaker 2>the heat waves you see shimmering above black asphalt on

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<v Speaker 2>a hot summer day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, the mirage effect.

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00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Exactly that turbulence refracts, distorts, and modulates the intensity of

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00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the incoming light. Now consider the telescope at Vinerivka. It

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<v Speaker 2>was zoomed in incredibly tight on the Moon. Its field

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<v Speaker 2>of view was microscopic compared to the sky.

764
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>So a tiny straw of vision.

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<v Speaker 2>Therefore, the light paths from these separate objects on the

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00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Moon were traveling through the exact same narrow column of

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00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 2>turbulent air to reach the camera sensor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I see it. So a massive thermal heat wave

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00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.159
<v Speaker 1>ripples through the upper atmosphere directly above the telescope in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the field of view is so narrow, that single

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00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 1>heat wave distorts the light of everything in the lens

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<v Speaker 1>at the exact same moment.

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00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Earth's atmosphere was literally acting like a dimmer switch,

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00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.519
<v Speaker 2>turning the light up and down. Wow, the objects on

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00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the Moon were not pulsing. The arab of the telescope

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00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 2>was pulsing. It was a common mode atmospheric modulation.

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00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>But wait, why did it look so sharp on the video?

778
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Because the telescope was shooting at such high frame rates

779
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>up to fifty frames per second, it perfectly captured the

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00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>high frequency shimmering of the atmosphere. The researchers fundamentally failed

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<v Speaker 2>to filter out the environment, and.

782
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>They misinterpreted a breeze in Earth's atmosphere as coordinated alien signaling.

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00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 2>They really did.

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00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the colossal size is a fatal math error

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00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 1>based on single lens distance assumptions. The synchronous flashing is

786
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 1>just atmospheric heat waves. But we still have one massive

787
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>elephant in the room. The shapes the shapes. The researchers

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00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't just say they saw dark spots. They put these

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00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 1>images through matt Lab and published pictures of highly distinct toroids, donuts,

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00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and flat discs if they were looking at a cylindrical

791
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Falcon nine rocket booster. How in the world does a

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00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>computer algorithm accidentally turn a tube into a perfect hollow donut.

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00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>This is perhaps the most fascinating cautionary technical error in

794
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the entire saga. It goes to the heart of how

795
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 2>digital imaging works at the extreme limits of physics.

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00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Remember the baseline data these objects had incredibly low contrast,

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00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>just three percent to ten percent against the blindingly bright

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00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>backdrop of the Moon. Furthermore, because of the distance and

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00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>the size of the telescope lens, these objects were infinitesimally

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<v Speaker 2>small on the actual camera sensor. How small we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about tiny faint specks of digital noise, barely two

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<v Speaker 2>by two pixels wide. They were operating at the absolute

804
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<v Speaker 2>unforgiving diffraction limit of the telescope's resolving power.

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00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>So on the raw video feed, these objects were just

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<v Speaker 1>barely perceptible gray smudges. You weren't clearly defined ships.

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00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Barely a smudge. Now what happens when you take a

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00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>faint two pixel smudge near the diffraction limit of a

809
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 2>lens and you run it through an aggressive extreme contrast

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<v Speaker 2>enhancement mathematical algorithm in software like matt Lab.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my intuition is that the software will clean

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<v Speaker 1>up the image and reveal the hidden true details of

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<v Speaker 1>the object, like those spy movies where they yell enhance.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But that is in how physics works. Instead of

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00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 2>revealing the object, the software actually reveals the optical signature

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<v Speaker 2>of the telescope itself.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by the telescope's signature, The telescope

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<v Speaker 1>puts its own shape onto the image.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, yes, every circular telescope lens has a specific, mathematically

820
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 2>defined way it bends lightwaves. This is known in optics

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<v Speaker 2>as its point spread function or.

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<v Speaker 1>PSF okay, point spread function.

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<v Speaker 2>When a point of light passes through a circular aperture,

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<v Speaker 2>the light waves interfere with each other. This creates a

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<v Speaker 2>specific pattern called an airy disc. It consists of a

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<v Speaker 2>bright central point surrounded by a series of faint, concentric

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<v Speaker 2>circular diffraction rings.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to picture that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you drop a pebble into a completely still pond,

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<v Speaker 2>you see a central splash surrounded by expanding circular ripples.

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<v Speaker 2>An airy disc is exactly that, but made of light waves.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm visualizing the ripples in the pond. So the

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<v Speaker 1>camera sensor is capturing this tiny speck, and because of

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<v Speaker 1>the lens, that speck actually has a microscopic, invisible ripple

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<v Speaker 1>of light around.

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<v Speaker 2>It, exactly in the raw, unedited footage, you can't see

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<v Speaker 2>the ripple because it's too faint. But mattlab algorithms are

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<v Speaker 2>designed to find edges. They look for tiny differences in

839
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<v Speaker 2>contrast and aggressively amplify them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, so when they cranked up the contrast.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Ukrainian researchers artificially cranked up the contrast matrix

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<v Speaker 2>on those two pixel smudges, the software algorithm locked onto

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<v Speaker 2>that first diffraction ring, that first microscopic optical ripple of

844
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<v Speaker 2>the airy disc, and mathematically amplified it. It grabbed the ripple,

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00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 2>It brightened the ring and darkened the center. They mathematically

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<v Speaker 2>transformed a blurry, solid dot of sensor noise into a

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<v Speaker 2>hollow ring like geometric structure.

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<v Speaker 1>They quite literally prompted a computer algorithm to generate a

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<v Speaker 1>mathematical doughnut where absolutely none existed in physical reality.

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00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, the software just highlighted the flaws in the lens.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wild. The software just hallucinated a spaceship out

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00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>of a lens artifact. But what about the rotation? The

853
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 1>paper went into immense detail calculated that donut was spinning

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<v Speaker 1>four point three degrees every two seconds, which is how

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<v Speaker 1>they got the artificial gravity claim.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the tragic punchline to the entire study. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't measure a spinning spacecraft. They meticulously measured the rotation

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<v Speaker 2>of the digital artifact. The four point three degrees of

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00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 2>rotation over two seconds was simply a combination of the

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00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.679
<v Speaker 2>minor mechanical tracking errors of the telescope mount struggling to

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<v Speaker 2>follow the moon, combined with the camera sensor's slight rotation

862
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<v Speaker 2>and relative to the Earth's turning.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that microscopic drift was mapped onto the artificially generated

865
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>matt lab. Donut They calculated the centrifugal force of a

866
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>telescope's tracking error.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a breath taking cascade of cognitive and mathematical failures.

868
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 1>A single lens miscalculation turns a piece of orbital garbage

869
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>into a forty kilometers ship, a localized heat wave makes

870
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>it look like it's transmitting Morse code, and a heavy

871
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 1>handed computer algorithm turns a blurry pixel into a spinning

872
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Speaker 1>gravity ring.

873
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>It really is.

874
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>It is the ultimate cautionary tale of how brilliant people

875
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 1>can perform incredibly complex, rigorous math on fundamentally bad assumptions

876
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 1>and end up writing total science fiction, which.

877
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Brings us to the inevitable fallout. Because when you publish

878
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>a paper claiming you have mathematically proven the existence of

879
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 2>gravity generating alien megastructures in cis lunar space, the broader

880
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>scientific community is going to put your data under a microscope.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine astronomy is a collaborative but fiercely critical field.

882
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't just draw bombshell like that without someone checking

883
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 1>your math.

884
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 2>And in August twenty twenty six, the pushback was incredibly

885
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>swift and it was severe. The criticism didn't just come

886
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>from external skeptics.

887
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Like Avi Low, it came from inside.

888
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>The most devastating blow came from inside their own house.

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00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 2>The Academic Council of the m O NASU, the very

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00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 2>institution that employed the researchers, convened a formal emergency seminar

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<v Speaker 2>to review the findings.

892
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Wow they call a council.

893
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>They brought in independent physicists, optics experts, and data analysts,

894
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and the resulting report did not pull any punches. The

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00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>council formally censured Zeliev and his colleagues, a.

896
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Formal censure from the highest council of your own institution.

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00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>That is basically a career death sentence in academia. What

898
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 1>were the specific charges in the censure?

899
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.079
<v Speaker 2>The council issued a public statement declaring that the processing, filtering,

900
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 2>and interpretation of the observational results were conducted at an

901
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 2>inadequate scientific level. They systematically pointed out the significant errors

902
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>in determining the distance to the opbot. They eviscerated the

903
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.400
<v Speaker 2>lack of dual station triangulation, and most importantly, they criticized

904
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the team's complete failure to rule out both natural phenomena

905
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and artificial terrestrial objects like the rampant space debris.

906
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 1>They basically said, you guys forgot to check for space junk.

907
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Council accused the authors of postulating wildly unjustified

908
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 2>conclusions without applying basic critical scientific analysis.

909
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<v Speaker 1>It's a brutal rebuke, but absolutely necessary to protect the

910
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>integrity of the institution. And you really have to look

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00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>at the astronomical environment of August twenty twenty six to

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00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 1>understand why the wider community was so frustrated.

913
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<v Speaker 2>It was a very busy month in space exactly.

914
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<v Speaker 1>This was objectively the worst possible time in recent history

915
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>to point a telescope at a dark speck and immediately

916
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 1>assume it was extraterrestrial. The sheer volume of cis lundor

917
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>clutter in August twenty twenty six was unprecedented.

918
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>The sky was an absolute mess of natural and artificial phenomena.

919
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>In that single month. You had the perihelian and close

920
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Earth approach of Comet ten temple, which scattered dust and debris.

921
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Right and eclipses too right you had.

922
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 2>A total solar eclipse that was partially visible in Ukraine,

923
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 2>altering atmospheric lighting conditions. You had a partial lunar eclipse.

924
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>You had a planetary conjunction of the Moon and Saturn.

925
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 1>And on top of all of those natural events, as

926
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, you had a discarded SpaceX Falcon nine

927
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 1>upper stage literally crashing into the lunar surface. The space

928
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 1>between Earth and the Moon was a crowded.

929
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Highway, it really was.

930
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, back on the ground, the country is still

931
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>fighting a grinding, massive war. The researchers are living in

932
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 1>a city where drones, cruise missiles, and artillery shells are

933
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>constantly filling the sky and threatening their families.

934
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<v Speaker 2>This is where Avi Lobe's final philosophical reflection on this

935
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 2>entire saga becomes so deeply poignant. He noted that the

936
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<v Speaker 2>scientific method does not stop at national borders, and it

937
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 2>does not bend to human suffering cold like that, whether

938
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>you are an experimentalist freezing in a war zone or

939
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 2>a theoretical physicists sitting comfortably at Harvard, everyone must obey

940
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the same fundamental laws of logic, optics and thermodynamics.

941
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<v Speaker 1>But when you look at it through the lens of

942
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 1>human psychology. You can entirely see how the intense pressure

943
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of wartime survival could degrade those standard peer review filters.

944
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>You absolutely can When you spend years looking at the

945
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 1>sky desperately trying to identify hypersonic threats before they impact

946
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.639
<v Speaker 1>your city, your brain gets physically rewired. You lose that objective,

947
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>academic distance.

948
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.719
<v Speaker 2>You want answers immediately because ambiguity equals death exactly.

949
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 1>That primal urgency completely bypassed the slow, methodical, skeptical rigor

950
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 1>that astronomy demands.

951
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>It is a deeply human failure, not a mechanical one.

952
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>The intertent house telescope functioned perfectly, the high speed camera

953
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 2>captured exactly what was.

954
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 1>There, and the software did what it was told.

955
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 2>The software algorithms executed their mathematical commands exactly as programmed.

956
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 2>It was the human interpretation and interpretation, heavily warped by stress, expectation, trauma,

957
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>and flawed geometric assumptions that transformed ordinary space junk and

958
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 2>microscopic optical artifacts into a phantom marmada.

959
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<v Speaker 1>So, as we wrap up this massive investigation, what does

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00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>this all mean for us? We've gone on quite an

961
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<v Speaker 1>incredible journey.

962
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Today we really have.

963
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>We started by looking at completely black phantom UFOs zooming

964
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.559
<v Speaker 1>over key at impossible speeds in twenty twenty two. We

965
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 1>moved to front line military drone footage capturing spiked thermal

966
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>spheres hovered over trenches in twenty twenty five.

967
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.599
<v Speaker 2>And it culminated in the staggering twenty twenty six claims

968
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>of gravity generating forty kilometer megastructures tearing across the moon.

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00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 1>And at every single step of that journey, we found

970
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that rigorous scientific analysis could explain this seemingly impossible.

971
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<v Speaker 2>By looking at kinetic energy dissipation, applying parallax triangulation, understanding

972
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 2>atmospheric scintillation, and decoding optical diffraction limits the supernatural dissolved

973
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 2>into the mundane.

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<v Speaker 1>It really highlights yu you listening right now need to

975
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.119
<v Speaker 1>arm yourself with a toolkit of critical thinking. When you

976
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>are scrolling through your feed and you see a viral

977
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>headline claiming an impossible world changing discovery, always take a

978
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>breath and check the baseline methodology.

979
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Ask the simple boring questions.

980
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 1>How many cameras did they use, did they actually physically

981
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 1>measure the distance, or did they just assume it to

982
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>make the math work. Because, as we've learned today, sometimes

983
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a forty kilometer alien spaceship is really just a blurry

984
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>piece of an old Falcon nine rocket twisted by a

985
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>math algorithm and a turbulent breeze.

986
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>It serves as a beautiful, humbling reminder that the universe

987
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>is complex and wondrous enough entirely on its own, without

988
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>us needing to project our own mathematical artifacts and psychological

989
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>fears onto it.

990
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Jil said.

991
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Discovering the truth requires immense patients, rigorous verification, and a

992
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 2>willingness to accept that the boring explanation is almost always

993
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the correct one, which.

994
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<v Speaker 1>Brings me to a final thought out what to leave

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<v Speaker 1>you with. Given how easily advanced sensors, high end telescopes,

996
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.639
<v Speaker 1>and highly trained astronomers were completely tricked by ordinary space debris,

997
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere heat waves, and software contrast algorithms, it makes you

998
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 1>wonder it really does. How much of our historical UFO

999
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>footage do you think is just a trick of the lens? And,

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00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>more importantly, in a world that is increasingly filled with

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00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>both orbital junk and highly classified military secrets, how do

1002
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<v Speaker 1>we keep our minds open to the genuine possibility of

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00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the unknown without losing our grip on the fundamental laws

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00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of physics. Let us know what your stand is in

1005
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the comments below. We would love to read your take

1006
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 1>on this.

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00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a delicate, vital balance we all have to strike

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00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>as we look up at the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us for this extensive

1010
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.360
<v Speaker 1>deep dive on thrilling threads. We'll catch you next time

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<v Speaker 1>as we unravel another incredible story from the edge of science.
