Speaker 1: Oh Medal, that's are hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 1: Cajun Night amraving the metamistic baby. And today is a
Speaker 1: very special day. We have breached the four digit mark.
Speaker 1: This is episode one thousand. Good cult members. Yo, this
Speaker 1: is actually kind of a serendipitous thing. This is this
Speaker 1: is the next level thing. Jonathan. When you and I
Speaker 1: started this podcast, well you started this podcast with hat
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty as a almost.
Speaker 2: A joke, right cut today, it was a joke.
Speaker 3: It was more of a curiosity and wanting to just
Speaker 3: have an extra hobby outside of work all day.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right then cut to I get involved in
Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty, and I think we were on
Speaker 1: episode fifty something fifty or sixty something like that, something early,
Speaker 1: and we're thinking. I remember us having conversations of like, well,
Speaker 1: how big do you think this is gonna get? Like
Speaker 1: how to what level are we going with this? And
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, sky's a limit. Fuck it, right
Speaker 1: that there is no there's no limit other than what
Speaker 1: we put on ourselves. And you were like, bro, hold
Speaker 1: on now, and I'm like, fuck it, let's just go
Speaker 1: let's just send it and see what happens. Now, as
Speaker 1: we are crossing over that threshold of episode one thousand,
Speaker 1: there is not many podcasts that have put out one
Speaker 1: thousand episodes. And by episodes, we are not talking about
Speaker 1: some fifteen minute chit chat. We're not talking about no
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. We're talking like our average episode is about
Speaker 1: two and a half hours long and putting out the
Speaker 1: level we do.
Speaker 2: Brother, this is not a small feat.
Speaker 3: Oh, It's monumental for sure, and it's something that has lasted,
Speaker 3: which I think speaks to, first of all, the amount
Speaker 3: of craziness that has gone on in the world and
Speaker 3: will continue to go on in the world. Yes, and secondly,
Speaker 3: are never rending thirst for absolute truth? And without either
Speaker 3: one of those, the show would, you know, just kind
Speaker 3: of fade out.
Speaker 1: But it can't and it won't and it must go on. Agree, agreed,
Speaker 1: And so you know we're at this point now. We
Speaker 1: have gone through a transition as far as our program
Speaker 1: is concerned. A lot of people have been questioning where
Speaker 1: you've been and what happened and all these things. I
Speaker 1: just went TikTok live the other day. Raven Lee came
Speaker 1: in for a little bit. You came in for a
Speaker 1: little bit, and it's like these people are like, bro,
Speaker 1: is there bad blood between y'all. I don't know where
Speaker 1: these people get these assumptions from. They just be assuming
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you kind of people will
Speaker 3: make up their own story. But I mean I will say,
Speaker 3: like it's it seems like it would be crazy something
Speaker 3: crazy that why would I ever not want to do
Speaker 3: the cult anymore? And you know, people grow, thoughts evolve.
Speaker 2: And there are there are new frontiers to be explored.
Speaker 3: And my thing is is that I've always said that, like, well,
Speaker 3: ever since, ever since this more recent kind of endeavor
Speaker 3: that you know, I conspiracies are there to shatter your illusions. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like your illusion of the world. That's what conspiracies are
Speaker 3: there for. But once your illusions are shattered, where do
Speaker 3: you go next? Do you continue and keep on trying
Speaker 3: to find more proof that this is all one giant illusion?
Speaker 3: Or do you discover what is beyond that illusion? And
Speaker 3: that is what I have been trying to do with metamistics.
Speaker 2: That's just my own way.
Speaker 3: Not everybody has the same exact way, right where However,
Speaker 3: many billions of people they say that are in the world.
Speaker 2: We're all kind of searching for answers. And that's just
Speaker 2: the route that I decided to take, agreed, And nothing's
Speaker 2: wrong with that.
Speaker 1: And so I've had to tell so many people like, no, No,
Speaker 1: Jonathan is looking more into the gnostic and esoteric and
Speaker 1: occult side of things. His heart isn't in conspiratorial conversation anymore.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the conversation of conspiracies go towards the esoteric and
Speaker 1: the occult. That happens naturally from time the time. But
Speaker 1: you were being drawn in another direction and you were
Speaker 1: getting kind of burned out on the conspiracy conversation. For
Speaker 1: the record, nothing's wrong with that. Nothing is wrong with
Speaker 1: being like, look, I I'm kind of tired, fuck tire boss,
Speaker 1: I get it, you know. And so you decided to
Speaker 1: split off and do metamistics full time and you are
Speaker 1: growing that into its own, happy, healthy, growing individual, if
Speaker 1: you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will say it's one of the best
Speaker 3: decisions that I feel like I could have made on
Speaker 3: a personal level. Yeah, because my understanding just in these
Speaker 3: couple of months of being able to put all my
Speaker 3: focus and all my you know, all my energy into
Speaker 3: that has really allowed me to dive both feed in
Speaker 3: and garner a much better understanding now than I did
Speaker 3: even just two months ago, because you think about it,
Speaker 3: you know, your your mind. Most people they go to
Speaker 3: work and then they come home, they got their family,
Speaker 3: They do their chores and do whatever you do, and
Speaker 3: then it's bedtime and then you start all over again.
Speaker 3: You almost feel like you're living two lives whenever that's
Speaker 3: going on, because most of the time, people that work
Speaker 3: see their co workers more than their own family, right,
Speaker 3: And you're gonna act one way around your co workers
Speaker 3: and then obviously probably not exactly the same way around
Speaker 3: your family. You know, you're gonna be loving, You're gonna
Speaker 3: be sincere, you're gonna be caring.
Speaker 2: Most of the time.
Speaker 3: Your co workers are like, you're there to earn a buck, dude.
Speaker 3: You know, like you might give your two cents and
Speaker 3: say I'm sorry if something bad happens or whatever, but
Speaker 3: you know your heart isn't all the way in it.
Speaker 3: So I feel like you're living almost in two different worlds.
Speaker 3: And that was what I was feeling with the Conspiracies,
Speaker 3: is that my mind was almost splintered that on one show,
Speaker 3: I'm looking for everything that's wrong in the world, and
Speaker 3: on the other show, I'm looking for everything that's.
Speaker 2: Right with it.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was kind of a splintering in
Speaker 1: my mind. And I think both are very very important.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: You need both. There has to be black and white,
Speaker 2: you know, there has to be.
Speaker 3: Good and evil, and so yeah, I just decided to
Speaker 3: go all the way into the woo woo end.
Speaker 2: As some cult members might think, there you go.
Speaker 1: And then we went for months trying to think of
Speaker 1: who would be the best co host, and Raven Lee
Speaker 1: was the obvious choice. And she has absolutely stepped up
Speaker 1: to the plate. I mean, a raven You were very
Speaker 1: conspiratorial minded for years and years, right, Jonathan and I
Speaker 1: have been friends of yours for years, and you've very
Speaker 1: much been in the conversation from a different perspective, of course,
Speaker 1: but that's a good thing in my opinion. And you
Speaker 1: have picked up the ball and ran with it. And
Speaker 1: I mean, in the short time that you have been
Speaker 1: a full on host of the Cult of Conspiracy here
Speaker 1: would you say that your understanding of the world has deepened,
Speaker 1: it's been more solidified, it's been altered.
Speaker 2: Where are you at?
Speaker 4: I would say that I've learned a good bit so
Speaker 4: far about things that I had knowledge on, but not
Speaker 4: as much knowledge on so as I've been diving more
Speaker 4: into things, and I've learned a lot about other things
Speaker 4: that I had no idea about. I mean, I might
Speaker 4: have heard about a term here or there, but I
Speaker 4: didn't really put forth a lot of effort into learning
Speaker 4: about it. So it's been an interesting journey so far
Speaker 4: of learning things, finding that balance of still reading about
Speaker 4: all of this stuff and not letting it consume you.
Speaker 4: Because like when she especially with the whole Epstein file
Speaker 4: dump yesterday or two days ago, now you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty intense the rabbit holes that have sprung from that,
Speaker 4: And I mean, we all knew anyways, but then when
Speaker 4: you start finding out more and more and more and more.
Speaker 4: I have, like, no joke, forty five tabs open right
Speaker 4: now from just like six different talking points that have
Speaker 4: led into all sorts of things that have tied into
Speaker 4: things that I didn't even know about. And it's just
Speaker 4: like the rabbit hole is never ending, and finding that
Speaker 4: balance is always going to be an interesting thing for everybody,
Speaker 4: I think, because we all knew that it was bad
Speaker 4: and really bad. But now it's even more intertwined, and
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's it's almost to the point where
Speaker 4: it's like, man, you know, nothing is real and everything
Speaker 4: is an illusion. And at this point, I'm ready to
Speaker 4: just wipe the slate clean of all of it and
Speaker 4: just you know, figure out, go to a farm and
Speaker 4: just live my life on a farm. But I know
Speaker 4: I've I've definitely learned a lot. I've met a lot
Speaker 4: of amazing people so far. I talked to a lot
Speaker 4: of the cult members almost daily.
Speaker 5: Actually, I talked to quite a few.
Speaker 4: Of them on different social media platforms and stuff, and
Speaker 4: so it's been really cool to develop more of a community,
Speaker 4: hear different people's perspectives, and just kind of dive more
Speaker 4: deeper into trying to understand the world around us and
Speaker 4: what to do from there, I guess, but I understand
Speaker 4: where Jonathan's coming from, because it gets kind of dark
Speaker 4: here and it's hard to shift, you know, sift through
Speaker 4: all the crap and figure out exactly how you want
Speaker 4: to move forward in life. When everything seems like it's
Speaker 4: in a big illusion, you're kind of trapped in it.
Speaker 4: So it gets pretty heavy. But I understand why he
Speaker 4: went woo woo and stuff. But that's you know, I
Speaker 4: think it's a balance that we all have to learn
Speaker 4: when you're in the conspiracy community. So yeah, I've enjoyed
Speaker 4: it thus far. I've learned a lot. I keep learning
Speaker 4: a lot, and I swear to God every day they're
Speaker 4: doing more crazy bullshit that it's like.
Speaker 2: They are though that's not a crazy thought. They keep
Speaker 2: doing shit.
Speaker 4: Okay, So two random super side notes, so that, but
Speaker 4: it had been like just consuming me all day.
Speaker 5: So the Borderlands. I don't play a lot of video games.
Speaker 5: We all know this. I'm not a big gamer.
Speaker 4: There are certain games that I actually really obsess over,
Speaker 4: and Bortolands happens to be one of them. So I
Speaker 4: bought the big package when it came out, the Borlins
Speaker 4: four last year when it came out, and I haven't
Speaker 4: really had an actual moment to sit down and play
Speaker 4: until today. And so me and my middle child sat
Speaker 4: and played pretty much all day. And what's interesting is
Speaker 4: one of my characters, my character, I kept pushing a
Speaker 4: button because, like they a lot of stuff has changed,
Speaker 4: and I noticed it was injecting him like himself with stuff.
Speaker 5: And I didn't pay attention.
Speaker 4: At first, I did it a few times and then
Speaker 4: I saw it popped up on the screen. Do you
Speaker 4: want to know what he was injecting himself with adernochrome?
Speaker 5: Yep? I was joking, Holy fuck, yep, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 2: It's sice.
Speaker 4: You can yeah, you can YouTube it and it actually
Speaker 4: says adrenochrome right there. And I was like, you have
Speaker 4: got to be fucking kidding me, because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of symbolism already in Borland's like, if you know what
Speaker 4: to look for, there's a lot of symbolisms on the wall,
Speaker 4: and there's like walls of things and all.
Speaker 5: Sorts of stuff. I could not believe it.
Speaker 4: So that was the first thing I was like, what
Speaker 4: last night I put on Megan two point zero. I've
Speaker 4: never seen the first Megan movie, and I just happened
Speaker 4: to be like, you know, let me just put it
Speaker 4: on whatever. I just have it in the background. The
Speaker 4: little bits I paid attention to the first forty five
Speaker 4: minutes of the movie is identical almost to what Elon
Speaker 4: just talked about at the World Economic Form.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the movie came.
Speaker 4: First, by the way, Yeah, we're all wondering that. So
Speaker 4: his entire talking points and what him and Bill Gates
Speaker 4: and Zuckerberg are talking about doing with the wanting to
Speaker 4: put the chip on you and stuff, you know, the
Speaker 4: AI sinking to be able to sink to your phone
Speaker 4: and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: The bad guy, you know in the movie, he has one.
Speaker 4: He has a has a thing in the back of
Speaker 4: his neck to help him stand up and do all
Speaker 4: this stuff with AI. But he also has the chip
Speaker 4: right here and he you know, uses it to make
Speaker 4: phone calls. And the way that some of the language
Speaker 4: that they were using, just in the little bit of
Speaker 4: time I watched it is almost eerily identical everything that's
Speaker 4: being said by Elon, by Gates and everybody else when
Speaker 4: it comes to the frontier and pioneering of AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just those two things.
Speaker 4: And I watched Greenland too last night too, So like
Speaker 4: Man Full Circle, just Conspiracy World happening in the last
Speaker 4: like twelve hours, I feel like, or twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: So and that's the thing. It's in plane sight. Everybody
Speaker 1: can watch these movies. Everybody can see these sources. Everybody
Speaker 1: can look at the attacks that are about to go
Speaker 1: down and ran and see what's happening. But it takes
Speaker 1: a certain perspective shift for you to be able to
Speaker 1: look at it in the and I use this term
Speaker 1: very loosely in the conspiratorial way, to look at the
Speaker 1: big picture and be like, huh, now, that's very similar
Speaker 1: to something that happened a few decades ago or a
Speaker 1: century ago, and it's it's it all ties together, it
Speaker 1: really does. And that's the other side of this, right,
Speaker 1: And if you want to take it to an occult level,
Speaker 1: to a spiritual level, to a religious level, to whatever,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter it. The global elites are playing by
Speaker 1: a certain playbook. That's not a hot take. That's a
Speaker 1: mathematical guarantee at this point. And it's only once you
Speaker 1: start looking at things through that lens that you actually
Speaker 1: see it. Because realistically, Raven fifteen years ago, if that
Speaker 1: movie would have come out and you would have watched it,
Speaker 1: the Robot what was it called Anika.
Speaker 5: No, it's called Megan two point oh, Megan.
Speaker 2: Two point oh.
Speaker 1: If that movie would have come out fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: would you have taken it like, oh shit, we're there
Speaker 1: right now, or would you have taken it like the
Speaker 1: Will Smith I Robot movie?
Speaker 2: Real talk?
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's AI is one of those things. Though
Speaker 4: you can't really ask me if I would take it,
Speaker 4: because I definitely have been this way since I was
Speaker 4: a kid when it comes to technology. A AI, so
Speaker 4: like Terminator really did the number on me, and.
Speaker 2: Then Terminator fucked a lot of us up real shit.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, like, watch it all the time.
Speaker 4: It was one of my dad's favorite movies, so I
Speaker 4: watched it pretty consistently, and then I watched you know,
Speaker 4: my parents were super big into movies and stuff, so
Speaker 4: I watched a lot of old movies and the newer
Speaker 4: movies all about AI and computers. And I've always been,
Speaker 4: since a child, pretty not on board when it came
Speaker 4: to technology, and that's just I've always felt like it's
Speaker 4: going to be the end all be all of all
Speaker 4: of us. And so, yeah, the Maigan conversation, but like Greenland,
Speaker 4: that was an interesting one. So the second one isn't
Speaker 4: really conspiratorial, and I didn't see really anything that was
Speaker 4: super conspiratorial. The first one was more or less you know,
Speaker 4: talking about Greenland and stuff like that. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's it's one of those things of once you start
Speaker 4: recognizing things and you start seeing.
Speaker 5: Them more and more and more, Like there is a
Speaker 5: person that just.
Speaker 4: Went to Disney, that went the Disney World, I think,
Speaker 4: and they took a video of one of the rides,
Speaker 4: and in the ride itself, it had a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of pedophilic symbolism throughout the entire ride, like hidden in
Speaker 4: certain places. And you know, people ride this ride every
Speaker 4: single day, but it takes somebody that is seeing all
Speaker 4: of this and that understands that, like, Okay, you know
Speaker 4: these things are actually intentionally done, and so I get
Speaker 4: what you're saying. It's just it's wild to me. Everything's
Speaker 4: in plane sight. Every single fucking thing possible is in
Speaker 4: plain sight. And they don't even care anymore, Like they
Speaker 4: just they haven't cared for.
Speaker 5: A long time.
Speaker 4: And I think this whole Epstein file dump is really
Speaker 4: shaking the entire globe, honestly, because people The problem is
Speaker 4: is that I've been struggling. I've actually gone through hundreds
Speaker 4: of files already trying to find what everyone's looking for.
Speaker 4: I've looked up all the different file numbers.
Speaker 5: They're gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So according to a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the people that I've watched, they're saying that the
Speaker 4: DOJ released it and then deleted it, and that some
Speaker 4: of the people were right on it waiting it for
Speaker 4: it to happen, and we're able to download it. I'm
Speaker 4: struggling to find the actual one. So but they hold
Speaker 4: that a story.
Speaker 1: But they released it though they did what they said
Speaker 1: they were going to do. Now, whether you can or
Speaker 1: can't find the files, that's a u problem. The DOJ
Speaker 1: did their job and released it.
Speaker 3: To your point, it is be able to find it
Speaker 3: on the way back machine.
Speaker 4: If it was one I'm trying. I went to the
Speaker 4: archive of the archive dot org one where this one
Speaker 4: guy that has like copies of everything. I actually did
Speaker 4: download a lot of the copies from people's instagram. Actually
Speaker 4: you can actually download the copies if you click on
Speaker 4: it right. So I downloaded and printed out a lot
Speaker 4: of the files that I could find from other people.
Speaker 4: I can't find the original sources, so that's really hard
Speaker 4: because there is a lot of AI stuff going around
Speaker 4: with that right now. There's there's so many rabbit holes,
Speaker 4: so trying to find exactly what's true and what's not
Speaker 4: is is kind of difficult.
Speaker 5: But I hope that we can do. It's honestly probably
Speaker 5: gonna be like.
Speaker 4: Two to three episode long situation because I have so
Speaker 4: much and I haven't even gotten halfway through some of it,
Speaker 4: and it's just it's never ending. I feel like at
Speaker 4: this point, we're never going to run out of a job.
Speaker 4: And no, we're not thinking more shit between that and
Speaker 4: the pandemic or the epidemics, not even pandemic. It's called
Speaker 4: an epidemic because it's shifted all the way into that already.
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, we got that new one that's about
Speaker 2: to hit us.
Speaker 1: And apparently it's five times more deadly than a fucking
Speaker 1: virus that was one percent deadly or some shit.
Speaker 4: Who fucking it's forty it's forty to seventy five percent
Speaker 4: fatality rate.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember when they said COVID was ninety two percent.
Speaker 5: Well, it's migrating to the brain. That's the issue.
Speaker 4: That it's going straight to the brain, and it's incurable
Speaker 4: as of right now.
Speaker 1: I will start shaking in my boots when I'll start
Speaker 1: seeing some death tolls.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, I definitely am gonna do an episode on it
Speaker 4: because I've been watching it. I've been watching a lot
Speaker 4: of the surgeons and doctors talk about it, so I'm
Speaker 4: curious to see what's gonna what the new regulations are
Speaker 4: going to be, because they're already pushing forward a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff with it.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure CNN is going to keep up that
Speaker 3: death Told ticker up at the top right corner got
Speaker 3: to Oh, yeah, they gotta spread that fear.
Speaker 2: That's just what they're all about.
Speaker 1: And see, this is this is the point, right Whenever
Speaker 1: Jonathan and I were looking at who would be a
Speaker 1: good replacement, who would be able to fill these shoes
Speaker 1: and take the ball and run with it, Ravenlee was
Speaker 1: an obvious choice. Obvious like this wasn't like, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know that, Like no, this is like clearly this
Speaker 1: is the only person that.
Speaker 2: Could step into this position. And so here we are.
Speaker 1: Here we are good cult members, one thousand episodes on
Speaker 1: the books.
Speaker 5: And I can't want to be alive.
Speaker 2: Oh it always is, it always is.
Speaker 4: We just we just reached in February first, which is
Speaker 4: happy Embolic everyone, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: First time I ever did a massive mushroom trip was
Speaker 1: at Embolic at a big festival. So good things, good
Speaker 1: memories all the way through. But my point is we
Speaker 1: are an episode one thousand. I can't wait till we
Speaker 1: all sit down to do episode two thousand, Episode five thousand,
Speaker 1: Episode ten thousand. Honestly, I don't know when this is
Speaker 1: going to be. I know it's gonna happen. It's just
Speaker 1: my god. The roller coaster that one thousand has been
Speaker 1: has been epic. I cannot I can't even conceive what
Speaker 1: the rest of this is going to look like.
Speaker 2: But there's nobody I'd rather do it with than y'all.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, So here we are.
Speaker 5: If we make it to oh, we gonna make it.
Speaker 4: The world, if the world don't end by then, Like
Speaker 4: at this point, that's true, I can't I can't wait
Speaker 4: to go down the rabbit hole of the Lifeboat Foundation
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you looked into that and the Space students.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, No.
Speaker 4: I actually spent a solid four hours on their website
Speaker 4: signed up for it and everything so I could get into.
Speaker 1: All of this is an episode coming soon, good cold members.
Speaker 1: This is not something we're gonna spend no time on tonight.
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's a wild ride.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm so glad that you're already read in
Speaker 1: on these things, because.
Speaker 2: So am I, and it's gonna be a wild one.
Speaker 2: So here we go the way.
Speaker 4: Hey, we're going to purchase a silo for the cult
Speaker 4: conspiracy because there's four that are available right now for purchase.
Speaker 1: Yo, I'm down. But what's the price is looking like?
Speaker 1: The last time I checked, it was stupid.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: One of them is not bad, and it's massive. The
Speaker 4: plan I will looked at the entire plans. It's like
Speaker 4: one point five million, which is not that bad.
Speaker 2: That's not that bad. What I mean, let me just
Speaker 2: pull it out of my early trust fund and down it.
Speaker 5: Bro Well, I mean the houses an Organ are literally
Speaker 5: like a million dollars each.
Speaker 2: No one lives an Organ raven. We got to leave
Speaker 2: Organ in the Pacific Northwest where it belongs.
Speaker 4: But I'm but the taxes actually weren't as bad as
Speaker 4: I thought they were going to be. They were like
Speaker 4: forty k and I.
Speaker 5: Was like, okay, I really thought they were gonna be
Speaker 5: way worse.
Speaker 2: Where's the silo located? Is it in Utah with the
Speaker 2: Mountain Jews?
Speaker 5: There's two in Texas right now?
Speaker 2: Shut up?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Well, and I actually do is you can.
Speaker 4: I found the website where you can find where you
Speaker 4: can buy them, and like where you can find and
Speaker 4: go and tour them. It all started because of Epstein,
Speaker 4: and then I went to life Boat, and life Boat
Speaker 4: went to another. The trail that I went on last night,
Speaker 4: it was epic. But yeah, no Titan one is for
Speaker 4: sale right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, we might have to talk about this offline.
Speaker 3: Realia, you gotta start a religion and then write that
Speaker 3: purchase off as your church, and that would just be
Speaker 3: the way right there.
Speaker 1: I've already looked into it, and it's actually embarrassingly easy
Speaker 1: to start your own religious movement. There's like four things
Speaker 1: you have to do and it's not hard. You could
Speaker 1: start a gym right now and claim that every member
Speaker 1: that goes to your gym is going to like, uh.
Speaker 2: You know, strengthen their their own temple, i e. Their body.
Speaker 1: Therefore when they go to the gym, it's a religious experience.
Speaker 2: It's so it's embarrassing.
Speaker 5: I would write a religion for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm down.
Speaker 5: I'm down the whole ass religion.
Speaker 4: I'd be a part of it, or actually I make it.
Speaker 2: You'd be the queen goddess.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, I'd be the goddess shit.
Speaker 1: I'm good with just being a fucking uh whatever the
Speaker 1: new religion is. I'll just be like a monk, like
Speaker 1: a friar, whatever whatever we call that thing.
Speaker 2: You just gotta make sure you shave the circle on
Speaker 2: your head. Bro, when the yo, I will rock a scullet.
Speaker 1: When the time comes and this hair climbs too far back,
Speaker 1: I'm not cutting the locks. It's just I'm gonna rock
Speaker 1: a fucking sick, nasty scullet for like a solid decade,
Speaker 1: just let everybody know where my white trash line starts
Speaker 1: and ends, you know what I'm saying, And then after
Speaker 1: a decade of disgusting people, then I'll shave and be
Speaker 1: a normal human being again. But I'm got I gotta
Speaker 1: solid ten years of debauchery in me, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I can see it's.
Speaker 1: Being a full on fucking white menace with the fucking scullet.
Speaker 4: I wonder if we could make a religion where, like
Speaker 4: where we somehow preserve you know, Actually, I actually have
Speaker 4: an idea for it.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid no.
Speaker 5: It's actually a positive thing, and it's a It's.
Speaker 4: Actually based off of a really weird TV show that
Speaker 4: I've seen and it's all about.
Speaker 2: Now what But no, ok, first off.
Speaker 5: There would be no raping women.
Speaker 2: Of course not that's horrible, Raven.
Speaker 4: It's literally the whole premise of the bitch Like is
Speaker 4: to rape the women and get them pregnant.
Speaker 2: I come on, right, right, it's about perspective here.
Speaker 4: But what if I'm going to make you know what,
Speaker 4: we just have the menace as cattle.
Speaker 2: I guess just oh, the men are cattle.
Speaker 1: No, the children are gonna be cattle to do all
Speaker 1: the work. Obviously, the children. You're in for the mines, Ravenlee.
Speaker 2: Obviously so deep into earth, dude, that's what's crazy.
Speaker 5: It like goes into like bridge. It's so massive.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, just like Robert de Niro and meet
Speaker 3: the parents. It's got He's like, ye, got nipples, Greg,
Speaker 3: Can you milk me?
Speaker 2: Which is crazy because you can. That's a thing.
Speaker 1: What if men take testosterone and then don't step off
Speaker 1: the right way?
Speaker 2: They can lactate.
Speaker 5: It's not real milk, but yes, they make quote unquote.
Speaker 1: Which is milk whatever you want to say. Yes, if
Speaker 1: it's got nipples, it can in fact be milked. So
Speaker 1: like speaking of nipples, Oh, for the love.
Speaker 2: Of God, what where the fuck are we going, Raven.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I just learned this, and I don't know
Speaker 4: how in all of my years of study, I didn't
Speaker 4: know this. But I learned that women have a nipple
Speaker 4: line that goes from the arm to the groin and
Speaker 4: it's a V so on both sides.
Speaker 5: From the nipples down to the groin can be anywhere
Speaker 5: can grow a nipple.
Speaker 2: So we are, in fact mammals, and you can't have
Speaker 2: six nipples.
Speaker 4: That's a real thing, yes, and that women have in fact,
Speaker 4: because I've heard about it through the grape fine of
Speaker 4: birthing stuff, that women have grown random nipples during pregnant scene.
Speaker 2: I was like, I know, a woman with a third nipple.
Speaker 4: Really strange, you know, and whatnot. And then I saw
Speaker 4: this video and I was like what. So then of
Speaker 4: course I had to look into it because my mind
Speaker 4: can't like let shit go. And then I read into
Speaker 4: it and I'm slightly horrified in the.
Speaker 1: Sense like so the woman I'm talking about, for the record,
Speaker 1: I went to high school with her son.
Speaker 2: He was a buddy of mine. Nick.
Speaker 1: If you're out there, I'm not going to drop your
Speaker 1: last name because I want to embarrass you.
Speaker 2: But I love your death. Brother.
Speaker 1: He also has a third nipple. Apparently it's a hereditary trait,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was joking till he showed me.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, my mom's got it too. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, fucking what. Apparently when she was pregnant, that
Speaker 1: bitch lactated that third one absolutely produced milk, and it's
Speaker 1: like but it's like maybe an inch lower than her
Speaker 1: already there nipples.
Speaker 4: So it's like here all the way down down like
Speaker 4: down your sides into your ruin, and it was a
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 5: I can't, like, I can't let it go now that I.
Speaker 1: Know this, I just having a nipple on like your
Speaker 1: second ab down on one of your sides, and like
Speaker 1: that's also weird.
Speaker 2: In his zone.
Speaker 5: Oh god.
Speaker 4: This conversation came about because this nipple got grown on
Speaker 4: this lady's stomach.
Speaker 5: And she was like, the fuck is this?
Speaker 4: And I was like, girl, I'd be having a whole
Speaker 4: fucking meltdown, like an absolute meltdown if like nipples just
Speaker 4: popped up.
Speaker 3: Dude, forget an extra nipple, you know, until I see
Speaker 3: a second vagina on you, that not be impressed.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like they have them. They
Speaker 2: do have them double vaginas.
Speaker 1: There's a woman that's going on kill Tony twice now
Speaker 1: who has two vaginas.
Speaker 2: Now one of them pretty much never got past the.
Speaker 1: Level of like infancy, but it is still there and
Speaker 1: has its own labias internal So you got like the
Speaker 1: main the main spasm chasm, right, and then inside that
Speaker 1: there's two holes.
Speaker 2: One of them they have to use like.
Speaker 1: A what's the word, no, no, no, no, it's a speculum,
Speaker 1: but for infants, basically it's like an infant speculum to
Speaker 1: do the the GUYO has to do that on one
Speaker 1: side and then a regular speculum.
Speaker 2: On the other. They've made all the jokes you can
Speaker 2: think of on kill Tony. I love the show. But
Speaker 2: that is a thing that woman then apparently.
Speaker 1: Not but apparently she only has one set of ovaries,
Speaker 1: so like it's there, but it's not functioning, but is there.
Speaker 1: But they do in fact have a second vagina, but
Speaker 1: it's behind the knee.
Speaker 2: But you gotta believe it's there.
Speaker 1: As of Glenn Quagmire, doun said it you have to
Speaker 1: really believe it's there.
Speaker 2: And you can find that that gold, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yes, anyway, we're getting way off into
Speaker 1: the weeds.
Speaker 5: Here, way way off in the topic.
Speaker 4: Sorry, but we've talked about it and I needed to
Speaker 4: share with somebody else what I learn because I can't
Speaker 4: get over it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. You know.
Speaker 3: Back in the day, we used to do a pre show,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that just lined up with what
Speaker 3: we just got done doing because now the show starts.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 3: And what we have for the good cult members is
Speaker 3: three separate talking points here that we're all each going
Speaker 3: to be bringing. Raven is going to be bringing hers,
Speaker 3: Jacob will have his, and I will have mine as well.
Speaker 3: And so this is three shows in one and we
Speaker 3: couldn't think of any better way to celebrate episode one thous.
Speaker 2: While yeah, than all three of.
Speaker 3: Us having our own shows all in one's. It is
Speaker 3: a conspiracy celebration. And here you are, so hopefully your
Speaker 3: brain doesn't, you know, just malfunction with all of this
Speaker 3: third eye opening madness that we're about to go into.
Speaker 2: But here we go. And Jacob, did we decide that
Speaker 2: I'm going first or you are?
Speaker 5: Yep, you're going first.
Speaker 2: You're going first, brother.
Speaker 1: So for all the good cult members, this is some
Speaker 1: might say our favorite conspiracies as of this moment. It's
Speaker 1: very subject to change. Six months from now, we might
Speaker 1: have whole new favorites.
Speaker 5: But were we supposed to have our favorite conspiracy?
Speaker 2: Oh, Raven, Yes, that was supposed to be it.
Speaker 5: Oh my bad.
Speaker 4: This dropped into my lap and I was like, I
Speaker 4: can't not not talk about it now.
Speaker 1: But that's fine, because your favorite is A is a
Speaker 1: fluid thing, right. My favorite movie today is not the
Speaker 1: same favorite movie I had ten years ago.
Speaker 2: It depends you grow.
Speaker 4: It oh so well now, and I fucked up the assignment,
Speaker 4: but I mean to be fair, it is about AI,
Speaker 4: so like we all know how much I feel about AI.
Speaker 3: It's saying so it ties in yes, yes, and and
Speaker 3: I don't even know if this is my favorite technically.
Speaker 3: I just I love this movie that we're going to
Speaker 3: be talking about. And anybody that has ever seen Zy
Speaker 3: like absolutely mind opening movies that have hit you in
Speaker 3: more ways than you thought they would, such as The Matrix.
Speaker 3: Everybody mentions The Matrix and there are so many allegories
Speaker 3: and so many things that you can really pull from
Speaker 3: that movie. Another great one that I feel like it's
Speaker 3: slept on way more than it needs to, especially for
Speaker 3: anybody involved in conspiracies or spiritual shit.
Speaker 2: This is why I wanted to bring this one to
Speaker 2: the show. We are going to be diving all the
Speaker 2: way in to The Truman Show came out in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight Jim Carrey and it's it's actually a lot
Speaker 2: deeper than most people think. And what happened was, it
Speaker 2: was about a week or so ago, Sean and I
Speaker 2: got invited to come on as guests onto the Great
Speaker 2: Pield podcast over there with Jewels or Patriot, the Yeah
Speaker 2: Jewels and the Occult Rejects and couple others that were
Speaker 2: there too. It was really really awesome, and they invited
Speaker 2: us to come over there and talk about something, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, you know what, I want to
Speaker 2: really go in there with a fucking banger of an idea.
Speaker 2: And they loved it.
Speaker 3: They straight up said, this is our this is one
Speaker 3: of our best shows that we've ever done, and as
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, we want to make it a
Speaker 3: regular thing that we start doing shit like this. And
Speaker 3: then we went on to talking Stit with with Derek
Speaker 3: Stitt and loved him. Got done with that show and
Speaker 3: he was like dude, I'm not even gonna lie. This
Speaker 3: was my favorite show I've ever done, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: the show must go on, and so why not bring
Speaker 3: it over to the Cult of Conspiracy for episode one
Speaker 3: thousand and just see what the cult members think about it.
Speaker 2: Now, what I'm not going to.
Speaker 3: Do is try and impress what you should think, or
Speaker 3: what you should believe, or what you should.
Speaker 2: Take from this movie.
Speaker 3: There are many different ways to skin a cat, right,
Speaker 3: And you can look at at one thing from a
Speaker 3: bunch of different perspectives and get a bunch of different
Speaker 3: perspectives on it. And so that's what I'm going to
Speaker 3: try to do. I'm going to try and wrap it
Speaker 3: all together.
Speaker 1: And this is actually a more gnostic understanding. Now, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of listeners here are Christian. So I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you that what you think is wrong
Speaker 1: or right or I'm not that guy.
Speaker 3: I used to be that guy. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be that guy anymore. Who am I to tell.
Speaker 2: Anybody what is right or wrong? That's where I like
Speaker 2: to come from.
Speaker 3: I would never condemn anybody to a dark place for
Speaker 3: thinking one way or another.
Speaker 2: That's just my thing.
Speaker 3: That being said, you can look at this this movie
Speaker 3: in multiple ways, and most people will watch The Truman
Speaker 3: Show and be like, see, I told you we lived
Speaker 3: on a flat Earth and it was in a dome
Speaker 3: and we're being monitored six ways to Sunday, all those
Speaker 3: different cameras that are in that movie, and this is
Speaker 3: all one giant scripted reality and they know your every move.
Speaker 3: You could look at it like that, and to be honest,
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I thought the first few times
Speaker 3: that I watched it. However, after doing a bit of
Speaker 3: a deeper dive and researching all the things that I
Speaker 3: have researched, I am now looking at this movie in
Speaker 3: a completely different way. And that way not to say
Speaker 3: that I even align myself with Gnostic ideology.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Do I think that that is
Speaker 1: the be all, end all truth.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think there is one, just personally me
Speaker 3: from that peace.
Speaker 2: Of mind now.
Speaker 3: So the I do want to say, for anybody who
Speaker 3: doesn't know what gnosticism is nastissism, it was around for
Speaker 3: all quite a long time, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: Gnostics were mixing in their stories with the biblical canon stories,
Speaker 3: and then that's ultimately why correct me if I'm wrong. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: why all the different councils with your boy Emperor Constantine
Speaker 3: decided to get together and.
Speaker 2: Say, all right, we got to separate all this shit.
Speaker 2: There's one true story and all these fake stories are
Speaker 2: going around. We got to narrow it down. They eventually
Speaker 2: ended up narrowing it down to sixty six books.
Speaker 3: But before that happened, all of these stories were all in.
Speaker 3: They were all circulating, right, and.
Speaker 2: You're not You're not far off here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Constantine, but yes, the Gnostic conversation came
Speaker 1: about right after the death of Jesus, and for about
Speaker 1: two hundred years they had so many people that were
Speaker 1: saying that this is truth, even though they weren't first
Speaker 1: hand accounts. They had nothing to do with the apostles.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, Maybe it was plagarized,
Speaker 1: maybe it was forgery. We you know, the subject to
Speaker 1: interpretation and historical documentation can fight the fight on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's even why the Muslims believe what they
Speaker 1: believe about Jesus is because Mohammed was a Gnostic and
Speaker 1: so a lot of his stories about Jesus' crucifixion ties
Speaker 1: in with the gnostic conversation because he wasn't there.
Speaker 2: It was six hundred years after the fact.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, the original councils and all these things
Speaker 1: the early church fathers got together, was like, Okay, bring
Speaker 1: me every book that's got the name Jesus in it,
Speaker 1: and let's get it together. Let's get a full on
Speaker 1: start to finish storyline on this and see what is
Speaker 1: and is not factual, what is fan fic and all
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 2: So you're not very far off on this whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Ah, that is very new to me to say that
Speaker 3: Mohammad was a gnostic me, oh, very much. So did
Speaker 3: you read any of the ship that he said? Like,
Speaker 3: does not point like you think about all the rules
Speaker 3: that they have within Islam, that's not gnostic at all.
Speaker 2: At first, I'm hearing that.
Speaker 1: You say that their rules quote unquote are very much guidelines.
Speaker 1: And I mean whenever they do talk about Jesus, they
Speaker 1: talk about how he wasn't crucified. It was his spirit
Speaker 1: that was crucified, not his physical body, which is a
Speaker 1: very gnostic conversation. There's a lot of things about Mary Magdalene,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about his birth and yeah,
Speaker 1: basically so, and we're not we're not taking a side
Speaker 1: tangent here. But Muhammad was a war lord who grew
Speaker 1: up and pretty much thrived on the Silk Road, and
Speaker 1: with that you had a lot of the mythraic religions
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of the gnostic storytelling that
Speaker 1: went on. Muhammad himself was illiterate, so he only knew
Speaker 1: about Jesus what he had heard word of mouth, and
Speaker 1: a lot of the word of mouth about Jesus going
Speaker 1: on in the Silk Road was in fact very gnostic
Speaker 1: in conversation, so he kind of blended a little bit
Speaker 1: of Torah, a little bit of narcissism, a little bit
Speaker 1: of his own thing.
Speaker 2: And he was also like the most obvious false.
Speaker 1: Prophet ever even by the word of Islam, by their
Speaker 1: own depictions of what a false prophet would look like.
Speaker 1: It's really crazy that they bought into this dude shit,
Speaker 1: But we're not doing that on this episode.
Speaker 2: But anyway, anyway, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, people have definitely bought things for a lot cheaper.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I'm saying, So it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that are not willing to
Speaker 3: put in their own spiritual work and understand you know,
Speaker 3: God or the creation or whatever within themselves. So they'll
Speaker 3: look outward to other people who may have stumbled across
Speaker 3: the story. And usually the story that you end up
Speaker 3: believing is something that you grew up in or something
Speaker 3: that like it's from somebody that you respect and you
Speaker 3: feel like they're they're they got a pretty good head
Speaker 3: on their shoulders. So I'm just gonna go with that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's pretty much what I found. And and hey, I mean,
Speaker 3: how however you got to where you are in your
Speaker 3: spiritual journey, that's how you got there.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3: Now that being said, nosis, as far as the Gnostics go,
Speaker 3: nosis is is something that means hidden knowledge. It's like
Speaker 3: the hidden knowledge, the hidden wisdom, uh, that is within you.
Speaker 3: That's what they believed, not because it was like a
Speaker 3: secret or anything. And this is what I actually think
Speaker 3: that a lot of secret societies, I believe secret societies
Speaker 3: went in secret not.
Speaker 2: Because it was they were they were.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure some of them were, you know,
Speaker 3: practicing bad shit. There's no doubt about it. You're always
Speaker 3: gonna have a fucking turn in the punch bowl. But
Speaker 3: I think for the most part why they went in
Speaker 3: secret and the Freemasons on every windows or any of
Speaker 3: that kind of shit, I think that it's because of
Speaker 3: possible repercussions from the outside and from the masses. Because
Speaker 3: if you're you know, I don't know, drawing a fucking
Speaker 3: salted pentagram and lighting some candles and calling on what
Speaker 3: is deemed a demon or something like that, you're probably
Speaker 3: gonna get run out of town. So you do it underground,
Speaker 3: you do it in secret. And that's what I believe anyway.
Speaker 2: But as far as the Gnostics, they were kind of
Speaker 2: the same way. Not necessarily.
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of them are very loud and proud,
Speaker 3: but for the ones that actually got it, it was
Speaker 3: almost like you gained that secret knowledge. And now that
Speaker 3: the thing is is that they believe that secret knowledge
Speaker 3: was not found from any book, it wasn't found from
Speaker 3: any man, it wasn't found on anything in the outside world,
Speaker 3: because they believed that the world was basically an illusion, right.
Speaker 3: They actually they call it the knoma, which is basically
Speaker 3: the same thing as maya, which is illusion, but they
Speaker 3: called it the canoma. And we're going to get to that,
Speaker 3: but uh, just wanted to say that you know, gnoscissism
Speaker 3: comes from knowledge from within and for anybody that doesn't know,
Speaker 3: that's what they were claiming anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, secret societies have existed since ancient Greece, actually
Speaker 1: ancient Egypt.
Speaker 2: We're going to go all the way back.
Speaker 1: And some of that was, like you said, because they
Speaker 1: wanted to be out of the way of prying eyes
Speaker 1: that might judge them for whatever they were doing. Some
Speaker 1: of that was because, like they only wanted the initiated right,
Speaker 1: They only wanted the select few who were willing to
Speaker 1: put in seven years of silence or willing to put
Speaker 1: in x amount of dollars or x amount of their
Speaker 1: actual self into the organization to be like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: this person here has gone above and beyond. We can
Speaker 1: trust him to be a part of the fold, if
Speaker 1: you will. That was very dark in nature. Some of
Speaker 1: it was, honestly, just to keep it exclusive. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit of both to be real well.
Speaker 3: And also they believe that, you know, milk was for
Speaker 3: the masses, and and not everybody would be able to
Speaker 3: understand this stuff at an early period in their journey,
Speaker 3: sure kind and you did have to go through a
Speaker 3: lot of really rigorous initiation roles really, and I've dude,
Speaker 3: I've gone into a lot of them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to go in seven years of silence,
Speaker 3: just like with pythagorasts. Sometimes you literally like you got
Speaker 3: to go out into the woods and try and survive
Speaker 3: for a week or multiple weeks or whatever. Usually that
Speaker 3: is for the young. They'll send the young out into
Speaker 3: the woods and you come back and all that stuff. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be bringing that up here in a second.
Speaker 2: But a bunch of weird initiation things as far as
Speaker 2: the Gnostic stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there were initiation stuff. I didn't
Speaker 3: really dive that deep.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not one hundred percent sure. But I
Speaker 2: do have a quote here, and this is.
Speaker 3: From an amazing YouTube channel called Forbidden Nosis on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Definitely everybody go check them out if you're into what
Speaker 3: we're about to get into.
Speaker 2: This is his quote. He goes.
Speaker 3: They say that The Truman Show is one of the
Speaker 3: most precise Gnostic allegories ever put to film, a nearly
Speaker 3: perfect movie translation of ancient Gnostic texts discovered in Nagamadi
Speaker 3: that describes reality as a prison created by a false god.
Speaker 3: Humanity as divine beings trapped in ignorance and awakening that
Speaker 3: is a dangerous process, seeing through the illusion and escaping
Speaker 3: toward true freedom. Every major element of this film christoph
Speaker 3: as the demiurge, Sea Haven as the material world prison,
Speaker 3: Truman's glitches and suspicions as his nosis is beginning to awaken,
Speaker 3: Sylvia as Sophia calling calling from beyond the dome, and
Speaker 3: Truman's final crossing of water and ascent through the door
Speaker 3: as our souls escape from the arconic control. It maps
Speaker 3: directly onto Gnostic cosmology with such precision that it's impossible
Speaker 3: to believe that it's accidental. This is a deliberate, carefully
Speaker 3: constructed retelling of the Gnostic spiritual narrative for a modern audience,
Speaker 3: and once you understand the Gnostic framework, you can never
Speaker 3: watch the film the same way again. So just wanted
Speaker 3: to throw that out there, so you know what you're
Speaker 3: getting into.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Okay, let's dive in.
Speaker 3: All right now, there are some words that I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be I'm gonna be saying and for anybody that is
Speaker 3: not very well versed within Gnosticism, these are some of
Speaker 3: the like the keywords that I'm going to be saying
Speaker 3: in the notes so that the you understand when I'm
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. The first word is one that
Speaker 3: I called said earlier, called the kinoma. They just it's
Speaker 3: the false world. It's the false reality. They literally believe
Speaker 3: that reality is an illusion. It actually translates kinoma literally
Speaker 3: translates to emptiness or deficiency in Gnostic cosmology. It's the false,
Speaker 3: hollow realm that is created by the Demiurge and ruled
Speaker 3: by the Arkans. So the arcons basically work for the Demiurge.
Speaker 3: They're working to keep the illusion up. And they work
Speaker 3: to keep the illusion up, not necessarily by like you know,
Speaker 3: going and uh fixing patches and walls so that you
Speaker 3: don't see the ones and zeros behind the curtain or anything.
Speaker 3: The arcons are there to reinforce the individual that what
Speaker 3: you see is your reality, So don't think that there's
Speaker 3: anything beyond it.
Speaker 2: Got that's that's an arc that's the rule of the Arkans.
Speaker 1: And obviously anybody that's seen the Truman Show, literally everybody
Speaker 1: in there is a fucking ARCon. Literally everybody that lives
Speaker 1: at Sea Haven is an ARCon, except for the people
Speaker 1: that like break through that you know, his his.
Speaker 5: His wife and his best friend are both like that.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: They are trying to keep up the charade, right and
Speaker 3: constantly trying to reinforce it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the kenoma.
Speaker 3: Is a is a artificial it's it's essentially what the
Speaker 3: gnostics believe that the knoma is a copy of the
Speaker 3: of the paloma, which the plerooma is like God, essentially
Speaker 3: like the land of God kind of, It's almost like
Speaker 3: Heaven from what I understand that it's. And so this
Speaker 3: this kinoma is is like a fake copy of it.
Speaker 2: It's usually maintained through fear and ignorance, and it's only escaped.
Speaker 2: You can only.
Speaker 3: Escape the false illusion of reality known as kenoma through gnosis,
Speaker 3: which is direct knowing, so and and so. As far
Speaker 3: as the Truman Show goes, Sea Haven is a manufactured
Speaker 3: world enclosed by a literal dome. Everything is curated, whether
Speaker 3: it be the the weather, the people, the jobs. And
Speaker 3: Truman doesn't live in reality. He essentially lives in a
Speaker 3: simulation that is designed to feel real. Right, So that
Speaker 3: is the the kenoma.
Speaker 1: Then the demiurge. I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: know what this word means. But if not, we're going
Speaker 1: to go into it. The Demiurge in the movie is
Speaker 1: known as Christoph. He's the one that is like he's
Speaker 1: up in the moon and he's calling the shots, and
Speaker 1: he's basically like Truman's dad.
Speaker 2: Almost right, that's the director.
Speaker 5: Shit, it's like the god.
Speaker 2: He's wearing the Kangol hat. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: that so Christoph.
Speaker 3: Or the Demiurge is uh, the Demiurge in gnosticism is
Speaker 3: a false god, not like an evil false god like
Speaker 3: a cartoon or anything like that. But but but the
Speaker 3: the Demiurge is ignorant, controlling, and obsessed with order. He
Speaker 3: believes that he is the highest authority. He believes that
Speaker 3: there is nothing beyond himself. He doesn't even know that
Speaker 3: there's anything beyond himself. He's the fake God. And so
Speaker 3: within the true show, Christoph sits above the world, literally
Speaker 3: in the sky, in the moon room. The he lives
Speaker 3: in the moon. Basically, he speaks with godlike authority, manipulates reality,
Speaker 3: and claims that he loves Truman, yet he refuses to
Speaker 3: try and let him leave. Okay, so that's not real love.
Speaker 3: That's called control. Yeah, that's just what the demiurge does.
Speaker 3: Then you got the arkans. The arcans, as we were
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, arcans are the rulers of the material realm.
Speaker 2: They're gate keepers who distract you, deceive you, and enforce
Speaker 2: the illusion. Within the Truman Show, Truman's wife, his best friend,
Speaker 2: his co workers, the radio hosts, and and everything else
Speaker 2: is all arconic. When Truman tries to wake up, they
Speaker 2: gaslight him, they redirect him, or emotionally manipulate him. Arconic
Speaker 2: behavior one hundred percent. Right.
Speaker 3: So it says that arcans don't need to convince you
Speaker 3: that the world is real. They only need to keep
Speaker 3: you busy so that you don't question it, Like keep
Speaker 3: your mind off of it. You know, Oh you saw
Speaker 3: a glitch on the matrix here, how about a beer,
Speaker 3: you know, let's talk. Let's talk about the game, you know,
Speaker 3: like bullshit like that. Nextly you have Sophia. So Sophia
Speaker 3: within gnosticism is divine wisdom that falls into the material
Speaker 3: realm and sparks an awakening. She's she's not here to
Speaker 3: save you or anything like that.
Speaker 2: She's just here to.
Speaker 1: Remind you of your divinity so that you can try
Speaker 1: and pull yourself out of the illusion. She's the spark, right,
Speaker 1: and so within the in the Truman Show.
Speaker 2: Sylvia is Sophia.
Speaker 3: Sylvia is the one that he wants to be with
Speaker 3: but can right, everybody is trying to keep them from
Speaker 3: being together, and so Sylvia tells Truman. So Sophia, divine
Speaker 3: Sophia essentially is trying to tell Truman the truth, trying
Speaker 3: to tell true the Truman the truth, and is forcibly removed,
Speaker 3: but once seen and she cannot be unseen. He she's
Speaker 3: like all the way stuck in his mind. It's the
Speaker 3: only thing he thinks about the entire movie. He's talking about,
Speaker 3: I want to go to Fiji, because whenever she's taken
Speaker 3: by her dad in quotations not really your dad, taken
Speaker 3: by your dad.
Speaker 2: He says, oh, we're moving to Fiji.
Speaker 1: And so he's obsessed with trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get to Fiji literally the entire movie. And so
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Sylvia bringing that like divine spark,
Speaker 1: almost maybe he would have never really cared to try
Speaker 1: and get out.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of needed as far as Sophia.
Speaker 3: That's what Sophia stands.
Speaker 2: For we talked about what nosis is.
Speaker 3: All right, you already know what the firmament is, and
Speaker 3: here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, So are you ready to go all the
Speaker 1: way into this movie? Anybody that's ever seen this movie?
Speaker 1: Everybody fox with this movie hard, right, like it is
Speaker 1: one of the best movies.
Speaker 2: Of all time. Yeah, yep, okay.
Speaker 3: So I'm watching this movie the other day and I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to try and see without even
Speaker 3: doing any looking up any videos.
Speaker 2: I don't want to look at any anybody else's notes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and see if I can get this
Speaker 1: on my own, just where I am in my path,
Speaker 1: my slightly decent understanding of gnosticism. What can I find
Speaker 1: in esotericism? There's a little bit of mixture of both.
Speaker 3: So I'm watching the movie and the first sign of
Speaker 3: symbolism in the movie is the neighbor's Dalmatian dog and
Speaker 3: his name is Pluto jumps on Truman. All right, So
Speaker 3: you already know where I'm gonna go with this. Dalmatians
Speaker 3: are black and white, right, and there's obviously the symbolism there.
Speaker 3: So there's actually this This scene is actually symbolic in
Speaker 3: several different ways. The black and white colors of the
Speaker 3: Dalmatian is symbolic of the duality of life. That's why
Speaker 3: you obvious see the Freemasons with the black and white
Speaker 3: checkerboard floors. It's all about the duality of life and
Speaker 3: about how they are above it. That's what the Freemasons believe,
Speaker 3: that they are above the duality of life. All the
Speaker 3: rest of the poor, the masses, whatever, you're off on
Speaker 3: the chessboard, we're above that shit, right, And that's that's
Speaker 3: a Freemason thought.
Speaker 2: Anyway, where was I? Okay?
Speaker 3: So it's the way that the system keeps people under
Speaker 3: control by giving them the illusion of free will, but
Speaker 3: they keep themselves self governed with the illusion of only
Speaker 3: two choices. Most people you see, they believe that they
Speaker 3: only have two choices.
Speaker 2: I can do this or I can do that.
Speaker 1: That's about it, right, And so that's like dualistic thinking.
Speaker 1: You're putting yourself in a box whenever you're doing that.
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 4: I've actually looked at this movie from when I took psychology.
Speaker 4: I had to look at it from an anthropology point
Speaker 4: of view.
Speaker 5: It is one of those movies that you had to
Speaker 5: break down.
Speaker 4: Because it's heavy, heavy, in psychology as well.
Speaker 3: So hell yeah, dude, it is very, very symbolic all
Speaker 3: the way through.
Speaker 2: So did you do? Okay?
Speaker 3: So the dog's name being Pluto in mythology, Pluto stands
Speaker 3: for Hades in Greek mythology, right, Pluto stands for Hades,
Speaker 3: lord of the underworld. Hades is the guardian of death, fear,
Speaker 3: and the unconscious mind. Also wanted to mention that it's
Speaker 3: also Pavlovian fear anchoring. So whenever he first gets jumped
Speaker 3: on by the dog, he's like scared of this dog.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh God, he's like, you know, panicking almost
Speaker 3: whenever he's getting jumped on, and it's almost Pavlovian if
Speaker 3: you ever heard of Pavlogs, Pavlov's dog.
Speaker 2: We're about to get into here for a second. So
Speaker 2: it's so symbolic.
Speaker 3: Several different things are going on at the same time
Speaker 3: to try and reinforce his fear to keep him wanting
Speaker 3: to stay here and never leaving. Right, So all that,
Speaker 3: of course, it makes sense because Pavlov is one of them.
Speaker 3: Is most known for his studies where he found that
Speaker 3: dogs could learn to salivate in response to a neutral
Speaker 3: stimulus like a bell when it was repeatedly paired with food,
Speaker 3: demonstrating how behaviors can be learned through association. It's classical
Speaker 3: conditioning essentially, and it always reminds me of anybody that's
Speaker 3: ever seen.
Speaker 2: Big Bank Theory did a joke about that.
Speaker 1: Actually, Oh yeah, Sheldon tried training Penny to be less
Speaker 1: annoying by offering her chocolates every time that she would
Speaker 1: like take his hints to the point to where he
Speaker 1: was basically training her to be a better like neighbor.
Speaker 2: It was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a scene like that in the office too,
Speaker 3: with with Dwight and fucking Jim with the mint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just ring a bell and Dwight would put
Speaker 2: his hand out.
Speaker 1: And every time he restarted his computer, here the little
Speaker 1: boom boom, and then you and the next thing you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's Pavlovian uh training essentially.
Speaker 3: That's that's going on here. It's uh, it's brain conditioning.
Speaker 3: So Truman is literally being conditioned to uh. He's being
Speaker 3: conditioned to have this fear which keeps him from awakening
Speaker 3: to the true nature of his reality from the get
Speaker 3: go in the movie, and just moments later the light
Speaker 3: falls from the sky onto the ground right in front
Speaker 3: of him. It's labeled Serious, and Serious is known as
Speaker 3: the brightest star in the sky, which I do before
Speaker 3: I even move on. Somebody pointed this out and the
Speaker 3: show with Gray pild and I'm so terrible with names.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but he goes, oh, you know what's actually
Speaker 3: funny is is that Serious is also known as the
Speaker 3: dog star. So you had Pluto jumping on him, and
Speaker 3: then Serious the dog light comes up.
Speaker 2: From in front of him, right, so pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: In gnosticism, the sky is known for the false cosmology
Speaker 3: of the fake reality, of which the Hindus call Maya
Speaker 3: the Great Illusion. This is the beginning of Truman's sensing
Speaker 3: that something is off about the nature of his reality.
Speaker 3: Moments later, Truman gets into his car and is listening
Speaker 3: to the radio, and the radio says, there was an
Speaker 3: aircraft flying over Sea Haven and it began shedding parts
Speaker 3: and luckily nobody.
Speaker 2: Was injured below.
Speaker 3: So the radio is in on it trying to reinforce
Speaker 3: don't think about it. It was just a fucking airplane
Speaker 3: that was just dropping parts. Everybody knows that that was
Speaker 3: a that was like a show light, right like that.
Speaker 3: You see on a stage.
Speaker 2: Clearly you could tell.
Speaker 1: But I mean that's if somebody's ever seen what a
Speaker 1: light on a set would look like. Right, But also
Speaker 1: tying back Pluto as a Mickey Mouse's dog, also, I
Speaker 1: feel like is a pretty uh pretty iconic look to
Speaker 1: the Pluto dog star conversation. And then like you're saying,
Speaker 1: here on the Truman Show, there's parts that are raining down.
Speaker 1: He sees it, and again it really not even like
Speaker 1: only if you've been on a set. No, like anybody
Speaker 1: could look at that until that was a light. It
Speaker 1: was an aircraft that was shedding parts. But thankfully nobody
Speaker 1: was hurting. Like everybody just goes about their day.
Speaker 2: No, no big deal here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's the beginning that he's starting to wake
Speaker 3: up just tiny little weird things.
Speaker 2: But whatever, I'm just gonna write it off.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with it, right, So
Speaker 3: next we get to his job and Truman he sits
Speaker 3: at his desk and we find out that he has
Speaker 3: a so he has anname plate that's sitting on his desk,
Speaker 3: and we find out his full name is Truman Burbank
Speaker 3: for the first time in the movie. Right, seems like
Speaker 3: a normal name until you start breaking into the esoteric
Speaker 3: symbolism of his name. Truman is obvious, it's true human,
Speaker 3: the divine spark is as the Gnostics would call it.
Speaker 3: But Burbank is where it gets kind of wild. And
Speaker 3: I bet you're gonna fucking love this one. So, uh,
Speaker 3: Burbank is so it's symbolic of Burbank, California, where all
Speaker 3: of the TV studios and Hollywood in general are right,
Speaker 3: So it is the epicenter of scripts and sets. And
Speaker 3: so his name being Truman Burbank literally translates to man
Speaker 3: of the studio system.
Speaker 2: That means right. Wow. Just symbolically it ties in perfectly. Uh.
Speaker 3: Then comes the second time something strange happens to Truman.
Speaker 3: He's outside, sitting by the beach, contemplating his fear of
Speaker 3: the water because that is where his dad allegedly died
Speaker 3: on the boat.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, as he's sitting there contemplating, it starts to rain
Speaker 3: only where he is. He moves and the rain follows him.
Speaker 3: We can look at this moment as Truman beginning to
Speaker 3: awaken a little bit, but when the rain follows him,
Speaker 3: it's his. You can just get an esoteric here, You
Speaker 3: can look at that as his consciousness is being tested,
Speaker 3: his illusion is being tested, like am I seeing what
Speaker 3: I'm seeing right now?
Speaker 2: Like? What the fuck is really going on? Right? And
Speaker 2: so it's like the first moment of awakening, almost like
Speaker 2: whenever you're asking yourself like why am I noticing this?
Speaker 3: And why doesn't anybody else see it? And is there
Speaker 3: something wrong with me? And once he starts to realize that,
Speaker 3: it begins to rain everywhere. Back to rational thought and
Speaker 3: return back to sleep, because you need more than just
Speaker 3: a nugget to push you all the way right, But
Speaker 3: these are tiny little things that they're going to start
Speaker 3: adding up over time over over throughout the course of
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that makes sense to me. Also, I
Speaker 1: remember the scene where he like stepped out of the
Speaker 1: rain then followed him He's like, am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Next thing?
Speaker 1: You know, it's everywhere you are crazy. Just don't even
Speaker 1: question the thing that you just know for a fact
Speaker 1: that you saw. No one's gonna believe you. Just just
Speaker 1: take it and move on to the next topic, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so fear is the best control mechanism. Everybody
Speaker 3: knows this, right, Like anybody who has ever been in
Speaker 3: a bad relationship, Maybe you had shitty parents, maybe you
Speaker 3: had a terrible boss at work, whatever it is. Sometimes
Speaker 3: you got controlling friends, right.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is.
Speaker 3: Fear is the best control mechanism. You inspire fear, you
Speaker 3: will get them in line. And that's unfortunately, the nature
Speaker 3: of this reality. It's the nature of his reality as well.
Speaker 3: So water is Truman's primary fear, his father's death and
Speaker 3: quotations is stage trauma. They literally built it in so
Speaker 3: that he would never try to escape the island. They
Speaker 3: wanted him to be scared of the water, right, that's
Speaker 3: built into to his like reality.
Speaker 1: Oh and you could tell whenever he tried going to
Speaker 1: the travel agency, they all this travel agency had a
Speaker 1: bunch of posters on the wall planes getting struck by
Speaker 1: lightning and shit.
Speaker 2: And it's like no travel agency would have that. They
Speaker 2: would have pictures of very scenic beaches and mountain bungalows
Speaker 2: and like all these little these log caving getaways.
Speaker 1: They would not have. Ha, this could be you if
Speaker 1: you travel with us. That's the worst marketing platform ever.
Speaker 1: But like that was a part of.
Speaker 2: The whole the whole stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, And there's a bunch of that kind of
Speaker 3: shit that reinforces his his fear, right, so they had
Speaker 3: the One of his coworkers came up to him and said, hey,
Speaker 3: I hear that they're actually gonna be they're gonna be
Speaker 3: making some cuts, so you got to make sure you're
Speaker 3: doing your job really good, and then went on to
Speaker 3: tell him that like, all right, well, look, if you
Speaker 3: want to make sure you keep your job, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to take this job. You're gonna have to go
Speaker 3: and have this meeting with this other person in this
Speaker 3: other town, which meant that he had to cross the
Speaker 3: bridge or take a ferry or whatever to get over
Speaker 3: to this other town. So he goes, and he's like scared,
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do it, but he's like, I'll
Speaker 3: try it.
Speaker 2: I'll do it. I don't want to lose my job, right, And.
Speaker 3: So he goes to pay for the ticket at the
Speaker 3: ferry and he has to walk on a dock to
Speaker 3: get to the ferry. So he's walking down the dock
Speaker 3: and he looks over at the water. He's already shit
Speaker 3: in his pants, right, He's already like shaking in his boots.
Speaker 2: But then he goes over and looks off the side
Speaker 2: in the water, on next to the dock, and he
Speaker 2: sees a sunken little like fishing boat or like a
Speaker 2: pi row or some shit, right, and it scares him,
Speaker 2: and he's like because it reminds him of his dad
Speaker 2: whenever his dad died out there.
Speaker 3: So he's like, I'm that's it. I can't do it
Speaker 3: and walks back. And so it's all fear conditioning. Every
Speaker 3: single part of his reality is trying to condition him
Speaker 3: to not want to leave, right. And I feel like
Speaker 3: a people kind of live that way in real life too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I absolutely agree. There's so many people that
Speaker 1: And whether it's leaving where you currently live, or staying
Speaker 1: in the relationship that you're in that you're miserable and
Speaker 1: want to make a break but you can't, or whether
Speaker 1: it's looking at certain information conspiratorial in nature, where as
Speaker 1: soon as you start looking something from way off into
Speaker 1: the back of the left field of your brain comes
Speaker 1: out and says, hey, stop that, you're being crazy right now,
Speaker 1: Let's get back to reality over here. Let's stop being
Speaker 1: crazy and looking at those other things. Let's go back
Speaker 1: to what we know to be normal. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's all in the same conversation.
Speaker 3: And you never grow. You know, you're stuck in stagnation.
Speaker 3: Whenever you whenever you find yourself crippled and paralyzed by fear,
Speaker 3: you're never going to grow in any kind of way,
Speaker 3: whether it be mentally, physically, spiritually, whatever. If there's something
Speaker 3: that is holding you back, it's going to hold you
Speaker 3: back in all parts of your life.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So, the fear that he that you know from the water,
Speaker 3: the fear keeps him landlocked and makes him not want
Speaker 3: to ever leave. But it also prevents in as far
Speaker 3: as gnosticism, fear prevents transcendence, so to be to ever
Speaker 3: go beyond the illusion, you can never have fear. If
Speaker 3: you have fear, fear is going to tea is going
Speaker 3: to keep you tied to the illusion. As far as
Speaker 3: the Gnostics, they also believe that fear binds your soul
Speaker 3: to the material world. So okay, now you're heavier, right,
Speaker 3: you're never going to transcend anything. And also trauma creates obedience,
Speaker 3: That's what the Gnostics taught. The next seed of awakening
Speaker 3: happens as he's walking down the street and he sees
Speaker 3: his dad, who allegedly died. The matrix is beginning to crumble.
Speaker 3: He goes and tells his mom, and then the mom
Speaker 3: tells his wife, and the wife is obviously part of
Speaker 3: the matrix, so she's shruggling it off too.
Speaker 2: But all these little seeds are starting to add up.
Speaker 2: He's all his dad. He's like, I know, oh I
Speaker 2: saw him. I saw him. And the mom's like, oh yeah, honey,
Speaker 2: I see him at least ten times a week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think about him all the time.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: He's like, does dad have a brother or something? She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, your dad was an only child, just like you.
Speaker 1: There's nobody that looks like him. Stop all this bullshit.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you. Your memory of this movie? Have you
Speaker 2: seen it recently? No, I've just seen it probably upwards
Speaker 2: up a hundred times. I'ma be honest with you. I
Speaker 2: do love this movie. Yeah, it is a classic. Yeah. Plus,
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey's the fucking man he is.
Speaker 1: I know some people some people don't find him funny. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: everybody's got their jam. I think he's hilarious, you know,
Speaker 1: And I feel like The Truman Show was a chef's
Speaker 1: kiss as far as the a movie going into this
Speaker 1: level of like there's cameras everywhere watching you, Cause that's
Speaker 1: like an inherent fear that people have whenever like somebody's
Speaker 1: picking their nose or something, they flick it away or
Speaker 1: whatever they're thinking, like, god, I hope the mind saw me. Yo,
Speaker 1: what if there was probably upwards of one hundred cameras
Speaker 1: watching you and all of your life is actually a joke.
Speaker 2: Everybody that you've ever known, including your spouse, is in
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: And it's like that is somewhere deep down a recessive
Speaker 1: fear that people have real shit because everybody suffers from
Speaker 1: main character syndrome in their own shape, shape, ways, and forms,
Speaker 1: and that's nothing wrong with everybody suffers from that in
Speaker 1: the same way. But the Truman Show put that on
Speaker 1: the screen for you to be like, oh shit, now
Speaker 1: that that could be.
Speaker 2: Oh my god all the way on blast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want to talk about just losing your
Speaker 3: fucking mind.
Speaker 1: The next time I hear somebody give me a fucking commercial,
Speaker 1: like in real life about some product, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you haven't tried dot dot dot thing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's the best, And they start listing off all these
Speaker 1: things about it, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, who are you talking to right now? What
Speaker 2: the fuck are you doing? Are you getting paid by
Speaker 2: them to talk about this product to me?
Speaker 1: Or are you just this much of a believer? Because
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe that, So what the fuck? Though
Speaker 1: it's a thing, it is absolutely a thing.
Speaker 3: Well that leads us to has anybody ever tried organic
Speaker 3: green coffee enemas?
Speaker 2: And if you have, everyone, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding,
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. So anyway, back to the movie here.
Speaker 3: So the next scene, it jumps to uh where he
Speaker 3: meets Sylvia right the matrix is obviously trying to push
Speaker 3: the narrative that he's scripted to be with the clumsy
Speaker 3: cheerleader named Merrill, but he's fascinated by Sylvia.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, he's he's up there. I think
Speaker 2: he was in the.
Speaker 3: Band or something like that, and uh, Meryll and Marlin,
Speaker 3: his soon to be wife and his best friend are
Speaker 3: both in the band. And she trips and falls and
Speaker 3: the whole thing. She's basically trying to flirt with him
Speaker 3: to try and get him, because that's the way the
Speaker 3: script is written. But he sees Sylvia from beyond sitting
Speaker 3: over by the trees reading a book or some shit,
Speaker 3: and they lock eyes and that was.
Speaker 2: It, dude, they were fucking in right and uh so yeah.
Speaker 3: So he meets the cheer leader falls into his lap,
Speaker 3: but he is fascinated by Sylvia. He ends up seeing
Speaker 3: Sylvia again for the third time. He sees her once
Speaker 3: at the park. The second time was at like a
Speaker 3: dance or something like a homecoming dance or some kind
Speaker 3: of shit, and he's trying to dance with her, but
Speaker 3: they take her away. The third time he sees her
Speaker 3: is the final time that he sees her, and it's
Speaker 3: the only time that he ever talks to her, and
Speaker 3: that is that is whenever he sees her in the library,
Speaker 3: and she's in a rush to take him somewhere now
Speaker 3: or else they will not get another opportunity. So they
Speaker 3: sneak off to the beach and she tells him that
Speaker 3: his whole reality is fake. It's all scripted, and they're
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna come get her, so she has to
Speaker 3: say whatever she has to say, she has to say
Speaker 3: it quickly. Next a man comes racing down the beach
Speaker 3: and shitty little car to come and get her, and
Speaker 3: she goes and looks at Truman.
Speaker 2: She goes, she says they're here.
Speaker 3: The man gets out of the car, says that he's
Speaker 3: her dad and that she's just a schizophrenic and don't
Speaker 3: bother finding her because she's moving to Fiji.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: She also the dad was also like, look, she brings
Speaker 3: all of her boyfriends here. You're you're not the first one.
Speaker 2: You're not the first one, just reinforcing that, like she's
Speaker 2: a schizophrenic, fucking psycho whore, and that's why he's talking
Speaker 2: about his daughter essentially.
Speaker 1: Right, And she's like, I've never seen this man before
Speaker 1: in my life, honey, how could you say that I'm
Speaker 1: your dad?
Speaker 2: Like what were talking about?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 2: Get in the car, goes, well, wait, where are you going? Fiji?
Speaker 2: We're moving to Fiji.
Speaker 1: And just takes the fuck off, and it's like, why
Speaker 1: would they say Fiji is because when he looked at
Speaker 1: the globe, it is the furthest fucking place from where
Speaker 1: he is currently located, and it's it's all very very scripted,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it starts to break his illusion,
Speaker 1: but he also continues because this is all he's ever known.
Speaker 1: How do you go from accepting that the sky is
Speaker 1: green your entire fucking life and then somebody tells you
Speaker 1: the sky is blue, and then they take off and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, wait, wait a second, that that that
Speaker 1: deeply recedes into your mind for.
Speaker 3: Sure, and that one to come to come and uh
Speaker 3: tell you all of this stuff? Is it schizophrenic that
Speaker 3: she brings all of her boyfriends to the to the
Speaker 3: place that you feel like is very special And now
Speaker 3: she's moving to Fiji. Which even that he's talking to
Speaker 3: his boy and he's talking about Fiji, he goes, it
Speaker 3: is the farthest way. That is the farthest place that
Speaker 3: you can get from right here. You can't go any
Speaker 3: farther without making your way back. Yeah, Like that's how
Speaker 3: far away it is.
Speaker 2: It's the exact most far you can possibly get from
Speaker 2: that destination.
Speaker 3: And clearly she never went to Fiji, right, Like she
Speaker 3: just got kicked out of the studio.
Speaker 1: Essentially, which even in and of itself, if he was
Speaker 1: trying to go to some remote place that nobody can go,
Speaker 1: the dad quote unquote clearly not her dad, like we
Speaker 1: know that, right, But he could have said, I'm a scientist,
Speaker 1: We're moving to Antarctica for a research project.
Speaker 2: B bah bah ba back.
Speaker 1: It could have been some crazy, obscure thing Fiji is
Speaker 1: a place that people go every fucking day for vacation.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's not an inaccessible place.
Speaker 1: It's because it was the furthest is because it was
Speaker 1: the most the most miles you can go before everything
Speaker 1: else goes apart and it and of course it wasn't
Speaker 1: even real, But that's not the point. Because he's afraid
Speaker 1: to even cross a bridge to get onto a.
Speaker 2: Ferry, let alone the entire globe to get to the
Speaker 2: island of Fiji.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're more likely to literally meet any other person
Speaker 3: in the entire world first before you ever see Sylvia
Speaker 3: in Fiji Exact's basically what he's trying to say, right.
Speaker 2: And but Sylvia is the spark that follows him.
Speaker 3: She's the reason that he takes h that he takes action,
Speaker 3: and at at least at a subconscious level, has a
Speaker 3: need for truth. Right, And she's on his mind all
Speaker 3: the time. He's always trying to create little you know,
Speaker 3: magazine what are they collage collages or whatever? Right, And
Speaker 3: and that's like his reason from wanting to get the
Speaker 3: fuck out of Sea Haven. So she's his driving factors
Speaker 3: to escape the matrix. And gnostically, as I was talking
Speaker 3: about earlier. Sylvia represents Sophia, which is the divine wisdom
Speaker 3: that is helping him.
Speaker 2: Remember. Interestingly enough, her scripted reality name in the actual
Speaker 2: on the show set is Lauren, so it wasn't always Sylvia.
Speaker 2: Her real name in reality is.
Speaker 3: Sylvia in the movie and in the actual show, she
Speaker 3: was scripted with the name Lauren, And I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I bet you there's something there. So I lost my
Speaker 2: fucking spot. Sorry about that. Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her outside of the matrix name is Sylvia. Lauren
Speaker 3: actually stems from like where the name Lauren actually comes from.
Speaker 3: It comes from Laurel, Okay. And you can take this
Speaker 3: a bunch of different places. But what I thought was
Speaker 3: pretty interesting is Laurel is ironically again another Hollywood reference
Speaker 3: to Laurel Canyon, which is a neighborhood within the Hollywood basically,
Speaker 3: just to show you that the entire reality is all Hollywood, right.
Speaker 1: Even the one source of quote unquote truth was still
Speaker 1: wrapped up in Hollywood mysticism.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yes.
Speaker 3: But since she breaks the fourth wall and tells him
Speaker 3: that her name is Sylvia, which stems from the root
Speaker 3: word silva, get this, dude.
Speaker 1: The root word of Sylvia is silva, meaning the forest
Speaker 1: or the wild, Okay, very symbolic here. She represents the wild, untamed,
Speaker 1: unscripted nature that tries to tell Truman the truth of
Speaker 1: his reality. And just like in ancient culture's, they send
Speaker 1: off their youth into the forest for a week or
Speaker 1: more and they're supposed to overcome their fears, and they
Speaker 1: come back and they've overcome a lot of things. They
Speaker 1: come to a lot of you know, divine spiritual understandings
Speaker 1: about themselves and about the nature of their own reality
Speaker 1: as a part of that as well, and so they
Speaker 1: live without fear. That's basically why their parents would send.
Speaker 2: Them out there.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I wonder if that's still going on.
Speaker 3: I know it used to. Maybe there's like some tribe
Speaker 3: somewhere that still do that, which I mean, I want
Speaker 3: to do that with my kids.
Speaker 1: I can't, cause like child endangerment laws or some shit,
Speaker 1: but I do plan on bringing my children on survival
Speaker 1: trips when they turn sixteen, each of them individually, and
Speaker 1: we're going to go out into the woods with what
Speaker 1: we can carry in our pockets. Fuck a bag, fuck
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag or any of this, Like we're not
Speaker 1: bringing a backpack. What we have in our pockets are
Speaker 1: what we're gonna live on for the next three days.
Speaker 1: However uncomfortable, that might be right, and there was multiple
Speaker 1: Native American tribes that would do something similar. They would
Speaker 1: bring their child out into the middle of the woods
Speaker 1: when they would become a man, or to whatever age
Speaker 1: or level of maturity they would look for on this,
Speaker 1: they would blindfold them and they would sit them down
Speaker 1: on a log or something and say, you have to
Speaker 1: sit here all night long.
Speaker 2: And if you if you.
Speaker 1: Remove the blindfold, if you get scared and run away
Speaker 1: or whatever like this, you failed the test. And if
Speaker 1: the young boy that was trying to become a man
Speaker 1: could sit there all night long, blindfold and all this
Speaker 1: stuff throughout the night, the woods, the sounds, the rain,
Speaker 1: the whatever. When the daylight broke and he could feel
Speaker 1: the sun on his skin, he would remove his blindfold
Speaker 1: and see his father sitting right next to him. That
Speaker 1: was the whole point. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: him like he was never in danger. His dad was
Speaker 1: going to protect him regardless. It was about you proving
Speaker 1: that you have no fear in you. And that was
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that with my kids, but
Speaker 1: good god, these days that'd be a whole Well, you're
Speaker 1: messing with their psyche.
Speaker 2: They need to grow up. It's time.
Speaker 1: You know, when a kid's sixteen, it's time for him
Speaker 1: to grow the fuck up.
Speaker 2: But I know I'm just an asshole for that.
Speaker 3: How about TV is fucking with their psyche more than
Speaker 3: anything else?
Speaker 2: Oh, exact nature, you know what. That's funny too.
Speaker 3: I mean not an exact like replica of your story,
Speaker 3: but it reminded me. I was watching this clip from
Speaker 3: ad Guru the other day and he was talking about like, uh,
Speaker 3: Lord Shiva right within Hinduism, and he goes, do you
Speaker 3: know why that there's always a snake around Lord Shiva?
Speaker 3: And everybody's like, well, that's that's first Kundalini awakening, or
Speaker 3: that's because he's evil or whatever, and he goes, that's
Speaker 3: actually none of that.
Speaker 2: The snake.
Speaker 3: If you ever see like they do, they got this
Speaker 3: fucking huge statue of Shiva over in India. It is massive.
Speaker 3: Everybody gathers around and meditates around it and shit. But
Speaker 3: so they got this huge statue and this snake is
Speaker 3: sitting on Shiva's shoulder and like basically at eye level,
Speaker 3: same eye level, right, And the idea was, is that
Speaker 3: what the story of Shiva. I'm sure it's a myth,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure people will probably take it literally too.
Speaker 3: But it says it said that Lord Shiva, he went
Speaker 3: out and like meditated at the top of one of
Speaker 3: the mountains that are out there. I can never remember
Speaker 3: himalayas he was he went out to the top of
Speaker 3: the Himalayasm was meditating out there. It was never cold
Speaker 3: or anything, and never never got you know, never got
Speaker 3: hungry or never got cold sitting at the top of
Speaker 3: the mountains. And it said that whenever he meditated, he uh,
Speaker 3: he put himself into such a like a flow stape
Speaker 3: type way that even the every time he opened his eyes,
Speaker 3: there would always be these snakes that were all the
Speaker 3: way around him, and he always wondered, like why are
Speaker 3: they And then come to find out, I guess they
Speaker 3: liked the vibration or whatever that he was putting off
Speaker 3: so much and they wanted to be in that vibe
Speaker 3: with him during meditation. And so as a result, that's
Speaker 3: why Shiva is always seen with a snake on his shoulder,
Speaker 3: because he looked at the snakes as look, if they
Speaker 3: get down with this vibe, I have way more respect
Speaker 3: for them than almost any other animal in.
Speaker 2: Nature, So it's pretty good. I used to be scared of.
Speaker 3: Him, but I actually I want to get a pet snake, dude,
Speaker 3: of the ied of them.
Speaker 4: They one of my favorite pets actually that I've that
Speaker 4: I've had. Yeah, mine, I had one that was an asshole,
Speaker 4: but he was also like abused and by like had
Speaker 4: like four different owners by the time we got him,
Speaker 4: because we rescued him, so we just knew that he
Speaker 4: was abused apparently like was thrown around in different stuff,
Speaker 4: so really just didn't fuck with humans very much. And
Speaker 4: then I had my other one that was also a rescue,
Speaker 4: but he was a baby when I got him, and
Speaker 4: he'd like he something happened to him, and he pretty
Speaker 4: much like his gross stunted. And so he was pretty small, honestly,
Speaker 4: I mean he was only probably about this big, so
Speaker 4: he wasn't very wasn't very big at all, and so
Speaker 4: he his favorite thing was just to he would curl
Speaker 4: around my neck and I'd wear him in my hoodies
Speaker 4: and I'd wear him to school. Actually I'd take him
Speaker 4: because I would only take him when I had like
Speaker 4: a period or two, and you know, I had like
Speaker 4: I had like a little snake water.
Speaker 5: Bowl I would take with me.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, but I am that white woman cliche of
Speaker 4: having a random I.
Speaker 5: Will, I will.
Speaker 4: I will admit to it, you know, with the weird animals.
Speaker 4: But yes, no, I definitely brought my snake everywhere with me.
Speaker 4: He was such a sweetheart though. He was so sweet,
Speaker 4: like give me kisses, and he was like he would
Speaker 4: like kiss my lips.
Speaker 5: I was like, you cute.
Speaker 3: They're they're like pit bulls, dude, you treat him right.
Speaker 3: They're probably not going to bite your fucking head off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, but that I feel like pit
Speaker 1: bulls and snakes are a different conversation.
Speaker 2: I know I'm very biased on that.
Speaker 4: But you know, I mean you've heard me explain though,
Speaker 4: my snake and the emotion, the emotional damage he got
Speaker 4: from this rat biting him because he was because my
Speaker 4: ex set him a too big of a rat or
Speaker 4: mouse or something and scared him and had like he
Speaker 4: had like a whole stomach issue that happened and we
Speaker 4: had to take him in to see the specialists, and
Speaker 4: like it was a big thing. Like it took about,
Speaker 4: I don't know, almost a year to heal him. Really,
Speaker 4: we had to feed him dead frozen baby mice that
Speaker 4: we'd had a heat up in the microwave, and then
Speaker 4: it had to like pretty much help him eat them.
Speaker 4: It took a long while to get him better and stuff.
Speaker 4: But they have emotions, they really do.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they smart creatures. They are smart creatures too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, yeah, let's get back to this because
Speaker 3: I want to make sure everybody has time to go
Speaker 3: over their topic here.
Speaker 2: So moving on. So, yeah, Sylvia.
Speaker 3: Sylvia represents divine knowledge that is only found by wandering
Speaker 3: off into the forests, off the beaten path and coming
Speaker 3: back with gnosis. She's the divine feminine wisdom who, in
Speaker 3: Gnostic mythology, descends into matter to awaken trap soules and
Speaker 3: guide them toward liberation. So that's what Sylvia represents from
Speaker 3: the Gnostic understanding, you know, as Sophia gotcha. Next comes
Speaker 3: a sequence of synchronicities. He turns on his radio and
Speaker 3: here's that they're following his every move. What street he's
Speaker 3: turning down, How he almost hits a woman while he's driving,
Speaker 3: and all this shit right, and this causes him not
Speaker 3: to go into work. He finds that he can stop
Speaker 3: traffic and seems to the outside eye to be having
Speaker 3: a crazy mental breakdown. He walks down the road into
Speaker 3: a building and tries to get into an elevator, only
Speaker 3: to find that it's behind it's a behind the scenes set.
Speaker 3: Only do again go in confidence to his best friend Marlon,
Speaker 3: who tries to lull him back to sleep with more beer.
Speaker 3: Every time he sees Marlin, Marlin always got a fucking
Speaker 3: six pack, right, yep, And so Marlin tries to tell him,
Speaker 3: uh so, yeah. During that scene, he's he's having this breakdown,
Speaker 3: but then go meet goes and meets his buddy Marlin.
Speaker 3: Marlin is like a vending machine stalker or some kind
Speaker 3: of shit, and and he's like, you gotta see this.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you got to you gotta check all this out.
Speaker 3: They end up going and having sitting and having a
Speaker 3: beer somewhere and they just, you know, getting a little
Speaker 3: philosophical about life and shit. And Marlin is trying to
Speaker 3: tell him that there's nowhere he'd rather be than right here,
Speaker 3: and he points at the sun and he goes, you
Speaker 3: can't get those kind of sunset views like this anywhere
Speaker 3: other than Sea Haven.
Speaker 2: He says, that's the big guy. Quite a paint brush
Speaker 2: he's got, seemingly referring to God. But the irony.
Speaker 3: Is is Christoph is the creator and Marlon is actually
Speaker 3: praising the Demiurge of Truman's reality. So and it's funny
Speaker 3: because Marlin represents an arkhan. Christoph is the Demiurge, and
Speaker 3: he's saying, quite the paint brush that God has got.
Speaker 3: It is it is literally, it is an arkhan that
Speaker 3: is praising the Demiurge if you look at it that way, right,
Speaker 3: So in Gnosticism this is called the spirit of ignorance,
Speaker 3: and Marlin, being one of the Demiurge's minions is one
Speaker 3: of his arcons that makes souls complicit in their own imprisonment.
Speaker 2: He's not telling him that he can't go, He's just
Speaker 2: trying to give.
Speaker 1: Him reasons why he shouldn't right right, and reinforcing the
Speaker 1: ideology that you don't need to go anywhere else. And
Speaker 1: you know, Marlin, along with everybody else in the show,
Speaker 1: is constantly trying to do the same thing. So a
Speaker 1: later scene shows Truman sitting in his car This is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes. He's sitting in his car
Speaker 1: and he's observing what is happening in his rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: He notices what happens is a cycle, a lady on
Speaker 1: a bike, followed by a man walking with flowers, and
Speaker 1: finally a Volkswagen Beetle with a dented fender. He tells
Speaker 1: his wife to get into the car and observe, and
Speaker 1: the cycle happens again, just as he's.
Speaker 3: Predicted, but she's not listening, she's not interested. He wants
Speaker 3: her to see that he's noticed that his reality has
Speaker 3: become scripted, and by convincing her, maybe he can convince
Speaker 3: himself that he's not crazy. Right, But you can't force
Speaker 3: someone else to awaken until they're ready, if they ever are,
Speaker 3: as the saying goes, it's impossible to wake someone up
Speaker 3: if they're pretending to be asleep, which is perfect for
Speaker 3: this scene.
Speaker 2: Right. So then he locks her inside the car. Oh
Speaker 2: that's right, she goes, Yeah, we can go to fet
Speaker 2: We just got to save up for a couple of
Speaker 2: months and you know, and then we'll go. We'll go
Speaker 2: to Fiji. Right in Evily, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 3: But she's just trying to get him off of this
Speaker 3: cliff that he's on, right, And so he goes and
Speaker 3: he locks her inside the car, and he goes, ah,
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna go to Fiji right now, not
Speaker 3: in a few months. So the door's lock and he
Speaker 3: pulls off, and then you see the license plate which
Speaker 3: says see Haven Island, a nice place to live. The
Speaker 3: license plate numbers, and you only see this one time
Speaker 3: throughout the entire movie, so I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: I bet there's something to it. The license plate numbers
Speaker 3: read eight one six k A Z. Now, applying numerology
Speaker 3: and gamatria to this sequence of numbers, if you reduce
Speaker 3: eight one six to one number, it gives you six,
Speaker 3: which does stand for man or harmony. So the number six,
Speaker 3: as it's represented with the numerology, stands for man or harmony,
Speaker 3: not man as in penis.
Speaker 2: Man is in human.
Speaker 3: Right, ka Z reduces to eleven, which is a master number.
Speaker 3: So within numerology, every number, every big sequence of numbers,
Speaker 3: always boils down to one single digit unless it is
Speaker 3: an eleven, a, twenty two, or thirty three. Those are
Speaker 3: called master numbers or master builder numbers. Right, So the
Speaker 3: kaz reduces to eleven, which is a master number that
Speaker 3: through a gnostic lens, means that awareness is breaking its containment.
Speaker 2: Literally what it means. So his license plate literally reads
Speaker 2: like man is breaking his containment esoterically. Why Wow, that's
Speaker 2: crazy like.
Speaker 3: That right, yeah, dude, So, long story short, He's trying
Speaker 3: to drive his way out of town and keeps coming
Speaker 3: up on obstacle after obstacle, only to be caught by
Speaker 3: the police and brought back home where he confronts his
Speaker 3: wife and he says that she's in on it, and
Speaker 3: she feels threatened, and again his buddy Marlin comes to
Speaker 3: the rescue with another six pack of beer. As they
Speaker 3: go out to have a chat, Marlin convinces him that
Speaker 3: if the whole thing is made up, then he's made
Speaker 3: up too, and.
Speaker 2: How could he question their friendship? Yeah, esoterically Marlin.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting right there, right, Like that's that's gaslighting
Speaker 1: if you ever fucking heard it. Oh definition classic, Yes, So,
Speaker 1: esoterically speaking, Marlin is close to.
Speaker 2: The name Merlin.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna get a little We're gonna get a
Speaker 3: little wizardy up in here. Merlin always shows up as
Speaker 3: different people in the lore, right, pretending to be different
Speaker 3: people to teach the initiate lessons along the way quietly
Speaker 3: and unnoticeably. Okay, so if you're trying to become initiated
Speaker 3: and you think that your teacher is always around, then
Speaker 3: you're never gonna fuck off and make a mistake or whatever. Right,
Speaker 3: But if you don't know that your teachers around, then
Speaker 3: maybe you'll slack off a little bit. And that's where
Speaker 3: Merlin comes in, because he's like a shape shifter, or
Speaker 3: he wears this cloak and he's changing is his identity
Speaker 3: just for the person that he's trying to teach, essentially, right,
Speaker 3: and more on Marlin here in just a little bit.
Speaker 3: I keep on losing my spot because I wrote all
Speaker 3: these like fucking twenty sentence paragraphs like an idiot, not.
Speaker 2: Like an essay. Oh okay, here we are. So next
Speaker 2: we get to hear from Christoph, known as the show's
Speaker 2: conceiver and creator. It says that who.
Speaker 3: Lives on the two hundred and twenty first floor of
Speaker 3: the Omnikam Echosphere, which literally is Truman's God that sees
Speaker 3: all and hears all from a lunar echosphere, his demiurch.
Speaker 3: Then Sylvia calls the show that is in that is
Speaker 3: interviewing Christoph. So Christoph is being interviewed by a TV channel.
Speaker 3: They open the phone line for you know, regular people
Speaker 3: to call in, and Sylvia just so happens to get through,
Speaker 3: and she's she's trying to fucking give the business to
Speaker 3: Christoph because she loves Truman and she thinks that what
Speaker 3: he's doing is wrong, right, right.
Speaker 2: So she goes she's says that he's.
Speaker 3: A liar and a manipulator, and he tells her, do
Speaker 3: you think that because you batted your rise at him,
Speaker 3: flirted with him, and stole a few minutes of the limelight,
Speaker 3: that you're in any position to judge me?
Speaker 2: Literally?
Speaker 1: It is the Demiurge arguing with wisdom about judgment, just
Speaker 1: to paint a clear picture here, right, Yeah, So the
Speaker 1: Demiurge me and Christoph, and she represents Sophia and they're
Speaker 1: talking about like judgment.
Speaker 2: So it's it's just kind of funny. Wow.
Speaker 3: So yeah, dude, this movie just is so deep, dude,
Speaker 3: from start to finish, it just never ends. And so
Speaker 3: let's see, Christoph goes on to say, he goes he
Speaker 3: can leave at any time. There's no way we can
Speaker 3: prevent him. What I think distresses you, Sylvia is that
Speaker 3: Truman prefers his cell. He then says that the next
Speaker 3: week's episodes will feature his wife leaving him and a
Speaker 3: new love interest coming into his life.
Speaker 2: Her name is.
Speaker 3: Vivian and she is dressed in red to make sure
Speaker 3: that his attention is caught, just like in the matrix, right,
Speaker 3: like the lady in the red dress always got Neo's attention.
Speaker 3: But that is that is arconic behavior. It's always trying
Speaker 3: to get your mind off of the main goal of awakening.
Speaker 3: But what I thought was interesting is that her name
Speaker 3: was Vivian Esoterically speaking, Vivian is known as the Lady
Speaker 3: of the Lake and also known as a water priestess.
Speaker 3: That is a feminine force that entraps Merlin. Merlin actually
Speaker 3: initiated her into the world of magic initially, but then
Speaker 3: she turns around and uses it on him to enclose
Speaker 3: Merlin into a tree, a cave, a tower, or a
Speaker 3: crystal prison, depending on the Lord that you read. So
Speaker 3: she's trying to seal him outside of time and trying
Speaker 3: to preserve him without killing him. Vivian burned binds Merlin
Speaker 3: because magic becomes then becomes hidden in nature, myth and
Speaker 3: intuition and dreams, and the teacher disappears so that the
Speaker 3: truth seekers or spiritual seekers must find it within themselves.
Speaker 3: You can no longer go up to a magician for magic.
Speaker 3: You have to find the magic from within. That's basically
Speaker 3: what the allegory of that is.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because Vivianne is known for entrapping Merlin,
Speaker 2: and that is the character that they bring in to
Speaker 2: try and entrap Truman as the new love interest. So
Speaker 2: symbolically it works perfectly, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised it wasn't like Marlin's wife or something
Speaker 1: that was going to like start an affair or something,
Speaker 1: knowing that Marlon would be the Merlin connection there. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying there was more they could have done with that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's still a great movie for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: through and through. So all right, now we're fixing to
Speaker 1: wrap this up here in a minute. But so then
Speaker 1: we cut to Truman's escape. He fools the director and
Speaker 1: the show crew by escaping through the ceiling in his closet.
Speaker 1: This is symbolic of breaking through the first layer of
Speaker 1: the firmament, the first layer of the waters, beyond the waters,
Speaker 1: the firmament. It comes from the Hebrew word Jacob, you
Speaker 1: know this one, the reikia, which is an expansive structural
Speaker 1: boundary depending on your verbiage here.
Speaker 3: But it's it's essentially just an expanse, right. So he's
Speaker 3: gone beyond his initial understanding of reality and he's breaking
Speaker 3: through the way his previous ways of thinking. So essentially gnostically,
Speaker 3: the firmament represents kind of these glass ceiling barriers that
Speaker 3: you build in your own mind. And so as far
Speaker 3: as the movie goes, whenever he broke through the ceiling
Speaker 3: and he went to go to the sea, he broke
Speaker 3: through that barrier that he built in his mind, the
Speaker 3: barrier that was I'm scared of water, right, Because once
Speaker 3: he breaks through that ceiling, he's no longer scared of
Speaker 3: the water. He gets on the boat and he's trying
Speaker 3: to sail, right. So the idea of that is that
Speaker 3: he's breaking through his own firmament gnostically, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: he breaks.
Speaker 2: Through all of that.
Speaker 3: He goes beyond his initial understanding of reality, and he's
Speaker 3: breaking through his other ways of thinking. Very similar to
Speaker 3: the word repent, which comes from the Greek word metanoia,
Speaker 3: which means to change your perspective or to change your mind.
Speaker 3: A lot of it has to do with the mind.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say about that.
Speaker 2: Fair well.
Speaker 3: Eventually they end up finding Truman sailing in the sea,
Speaker 3: the same seed that he was terrified of because of
Speaker 3: his dad dying at sea. Right, but Truman is broken
Speaker 3: through that first glass ceiling. The things that used to
Speaker 3: scare him no longer affect him, So the Demiurge has
Speaker 3: to ramp it up a little bit by making the
Speaker 3: weather stronger. If Truman gets out of this false creation,
Speaker 3: he will see the Demiurge for what he is, and
Speaker 3: the Demiurge will have no power over him, obviously not
Speaker 3: going to have any power over him if he gets
Speaker 3: outside the firmament. Right, So, the weather gets worse and worse,
Speaker 3: the waves high, the lightning is striking his boat and
Speaker 3: forces him out of the boat and into the water.
Speaker 3: Already he's like, I mean, he's scared. You can tell
Speaker 3: that he's scared, but he's pushing forward right now.
Speaker 2: So the boat the boat gets.
Speaker 3: Overturned and uh and Truman fights through the rage of
Speaker 3: waters to get back onto the boat and he's not
Speaker 3: giving up. Sheer will is steering him right now, right
Speaker 3: Truman screams out to the Demiurge and says, is that
Speaker 3: the best you can do? And you know he just
Speaker 3: decided to tempt the fucking Demiurge, which ultimately the Demiurge
Speaker 3: decide to ramp it up even more. After that, the
Speaker 3: Demiurge increases the wind, the waves get stronger until a
Speaker 3: fucking tidal wave comes and knocks him out, capsizing the boat.
Speaker 3: But then, once the Demiurge sees that Truman is basically
Speaker 3: like drowning or knocked out, he turns off the bad weather.
Speaker 3: Truman regains his consciousness, raises his sail, and keeps trucking
Speaker 3: forward till the tip of his boat pierces the veil
Speaker 3: and he's finally vindicated, proof that his reality is not
Speaker 3: what he thought. He's not crazy after all. Overcome with
Speaker 3: every emotion, he looks down the wall and sees a
Speaker 3: set of stairs. He's completed his journey of initiation and
Speaker 3: he begins to climb. Just before he opens the door,
Speaker 3: the Demiurge comes over the loudspeaker from above and Truman says,
Speaker 3: who are you. Christoph replies that I am the creator,
Speaker 3: literally introducing himself as the fucking creator, right. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's the creator of the show. But as far as
Speaker 3: Truman goes, the creator of creators right. So he goes,
Speaker 3: I am the creator. Truman says, then who am I?
Speaker 3: Christoph replies that you're the star. Truman says, was nothing real,
Speaker 3: and Christoph says, you are real. He goes, listen to me,
Speaker 3: there's no more truth out there than there is in
Speaker 3: this world that I created for you. There's the same lies,
Speaker 3: the same deceit. But in my world you have nothing
Speaker 3: to fear. Nobody knows you better than I do. You're afraid,
Speaker 3: and that's why you can't leave. It's okay, Truman, I understand.
Speaker 3: I've been watching you your whole life. And he goes
Speaker 3: on to remind him of all of his his memories
Speaker 3: in his life from when he's a little kid, and
Speaker 3: all the things that like maybe a dad would know
Speaker 3: kind of thing, right, But what it's symbolic of is
Speaker 3: that it's kind of like a whenever people have a
Speaker 3: near death experience or they go into a car crash
Speaker 3: or something like that, their life flashes before their eyes
Speaker 3: and this is almost like that, and so I thought
Speaker 3: that was kind of interesting. So it's very symbolic of
Speaker 3: people seeing their life flash before their eyes right before
Speaker 3: they die or have an NDE.
Speaker 2: He says, you can't leave Truman. You belong here with me.
Speaker 3: Truman then responds with in case I don't see you,
Speaker 3: good afternoon, good evening, and good night, and bows out,
Speaker 3: walking out of the matrix for good, finally breaking through
Speaker 3: the outer show of the firmament and becoming freely liberated
Speaker 3: once and for all.
Speaker 2: Because if there's.
Speaker 3: Anything that we seek on the journey towards enlightenment, there's
Speaker 3: knowledge first, but ultimately it's liberation to be free of
Speaker 3: attachment and suffering. That's what enlightenment is all about. So
Speaker 3: as soon as transmission is cut off, all the watchers
Speaker 3: resume life.
Speaker 2: Asking what else is on? Right, Like, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was fun? What else is on? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So that's just your that's the masses for you, right.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna wake everybody up. It's an individual to
Speaker 3: individual kind of basis, So you don't wake up the masses.
Speaker 3: Each individual must go through the awakening process themselves.
Speaker 2: I always hated the ending of that movie.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, Like I granted him going through the door
Speaker 1: and saying fuck you to the dude, yes beautiful all
Speaker 1: the way through, they.
Speaker 2: Show nothing about what happens next.
Speaker 1: You realize security just bum rushed him and probably shot
Speaker 1: him as soon as he got through that door.
Speaker 2: Like, but they don't tell us that.
Speaker 1: And you see Sylvia running down the stairs as if
Speaker 1: she's gonna run to the studio and find him in
Speaker 1: the parking lot and they're gonna live happily ever after.
Speaker 2: We don't fucking know that.
Speaker 1: I wish he would have given you thirty seconds of
Speaker 1: him giving like an interview on the view or something
Speaker 1: close to where he explains how his life has progressed
Speaker 1: since he left or something, and that would have been
Speaker 1: the best. But instead, no, it's open to the person,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, Truman's dead now.
Speaker 2: No, let me tell you so.
Speaker 3: F I'm a gnostic understanding, that is exactly how you
Speaker 3: would end it, because he has now escaped the matrix.
Speaker 3: He is gone, he's liberated. You don't even you don't
Speaker 3: need to see him after that.
Speaker 2: He's escaped being watched, right, And so that's the idea
Speaker 2: of awakening, especially as the as far as the Gnostics
Speaker 2: are concerned. He's liberated.
Speaker 3: He's free from attachment, he's free from literally everything else.
Speaker 3: And so actually I wanted to mention this because obviously,
Speaker 3: you know that my wife is Brazilian and she didn't
Speaker 3: grow up watching all the same shit that we watched
Speaker 3: whenever we were younger, and so I watched it with her,
Speaker 3: and the first time I watched it with her, she
Speaker 3: loved the entire movie until the end, just like both
Speaker 3: the girl said, and she's like.
Speaker 2: That's it. He doesn't go find Sylvia. And I just
Speaker 2: sat there and I remember thinking, he didn't find Sylvia.
Speaker 2: He found Sophia. That was the purpose. Well, we don't
Speaker 2: know that. We don't know if that's a fact, it's
Speaker 2: us understood, it's it's symbolic, you you know, symbolism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with wisdom. He found his enlightenment, he escaped
Speaker 3: the matrix.
Speaker 2: That movie, I know.
Speaker 1: I just I've always assumed, even as a younger man,
Speaker 1: watching this movie, it's like, yo, he got fucked up
Speaker 1: in the parking lot, like on some very real levels,
Speaker 1: like there's no way that the the dude in charge,
Speaker 1: which to be honest, I forgot his name was Christoph.
Speaker 1: But there's no way that he just told the security
Speaker 1: to stand down and let him go out there into
Speaker 1: the free world, breeding the free air and just.
Speaker 4: I mean they but it was live though, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: It was being live broadcast in twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: So there's nothing. He's not going to kill him because
Speaker 4: like it's it's already completely unethical what they did. So
Speaker 4: if there was a movement to help him, then there's
Speaker 4: no reason why he would be killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he left, like the star left. The show is over.
Speaker 1: The money stops now, and it's like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: we lost our prize, pig.
Speaker 4: I don't think they killed him. I think realistically he
Speaker 4: was able to, at least, I don't know, try to
Speaker 4: have a normal life.
Speaker 5: But I mean, what but how quite hard?
Speaker 4: It would be quite hard to have a normal life
Speaker 4: when everything that you've ever known was a complete lie
Speaker 4: and everyone in the entire world has watched you for
Speaker 4: the last thirty years of your life.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's the idea of being born again. That's the whole
Speaker 3: entire purpose. It's being born again to a new understanding
Speaker 3: that now he's shedding his old way of the old
Speaker 3: world of his understanding, right, because his old reality was scripted,
Speaker 3: and the Gnostic way of looking at it is is
Speaker 3: that he shed that old skin he's had, you know,
Speaker 3: his essentially his initiation, and now he's ready for this
Speaker 3: liberation to go and be free.
Speaker 2: And it's up to the individual to put it together.
Speaker 2: And you know what would he do? Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody knows, but nobody's supposed to know, because the whole,
Speaker 2: the whole. If he would have just escaped.
Speaker 3: And gotten with Sylvia, then you'd be like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I guess it's not a Gnostic story because the awakened
Speaker 3: person does not get with Sophia. You don't marry Sophia.
Speaker 3: Sophia is the divine knowledge that's in you. She stood
Speaker 3: for something, not his future wife or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So that's basically the entire point, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: I also wanted to mention, I can't believe I just
Speaker 3: glazed over.
Speaker 2: This, Christoph.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know that there's something there Christoph, and I
Speaker 3: just pulled this up here. It says esoteric Esoterically, Christoph
Speaker 3: is often interpreted as a play on Christ off or
Speaker 3: as a corrupted anti Christ figure. He functions as a
Speaker 3: gnostic demiurge, a lower often ignorant or malevolent creator God
Speaker 3: who creates, who creates and constructs a false material and comfortable,
Speaker 3: comfortable world to keep human consciousness or Truman trapped in
Speaker 3: ignorance and illusion away from the true higher realc. So
Speaker 3: literally it is all gnostic as fuck.
Speaker 1: So for anybody out there who's a frozen fan Christoph,
Speaker 1: he's a fucking Antichrist. Clearly everybody thought Oloff was the
Speaker 1: evil one. No, no, no, it's the good guy Christoph
Speaker 1: over here. He's trying to lure you in with his
Speaker 1: blonde hair and is singing with the with the fucking
Speaker 1: reindeer and shit.
Speaker 2: No, he's actually the fucking Antichrist. That's all I'm here.
Speaker 1: Basically, My point is is that you could see that
Speaker 1: he he became liberated, yeah, right, or you could be like,
Speaker 1: why didn't he end up with Sylvia?
Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense. They they left it open ended.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's kind of the point. It's
Speaker 2: supposed to be open ended.
Speaker 4: I will say that it does tie in some of
Speaker 4: the gnostic stuff, ties in really well with the psychology
Speaker 4: perspective of it, about like the the like the domes
Speaker 4: and stuff. It's pretty much like a construct of your
Speaker 4: realities with fear and limiting beliefs and social expectations. What
Speaker 4: I did find really interesting though, and I looked up
Speaker 4: just kind of like some random stuff about.
Speaker 5: It that the.
Speaker 4: Movie itself was talking about Orwell's nineteen eighty four, like
Speaker 4: it referenced that actually quite a few times on like
Speaker 4: a non gnostic perspective about the passive consumption fueled by
Speaker 4: advertising integrated into shows reflects the societal tendency towards voyeurism
Speaker 4: and disengagement, and it compares itself to the superficial entertainment
Speaker 4: unable and unwilling to recognize the abnormality that they're complicent
Speaker 4: in their viewership. And it also the wife was continuously
Speaker 4: showing things throughout the movie too. She would like describe
Speaker 4: things that she would get and purchase, and it was
Speaker 4: trying to make other people buy that throughout the entire
Speaker 4: show so that they gain more money on the outside world.
Speaker 5: I just thought it was really weird how it.
Speaker 4: Tied directly into those things on a different perspective. But
Speaker 4: there's a lot of different things if you look up
Speaker 4: the psychology meanings of stuff that are as really interesting
Speaker 4: in how each character plays a specific role.
Speaker 5: They actually want to classify the Truman.
Speaker 4: The Truman disorder as an actual disorder, and it's been
Speaker 4: talked about quite a few times as a level as
Speaker 4: a part of narcissism actually, and they haven't classified it yet,
Speaker 4: but many psychologists believe that it is a true syndrome.
Speaker 5: That they believe that people are like, you know, the.
Speaker 4: Star of their own show, and there's like different levels
Speaker 4: to it that they're trapped in their own reality or
Speaker 4: they're disassociated from their self in a different way, and
Speaker 4: it's it's really interesting if you look at that perspective.
Speaker 5: They've tried for quite a while.
Speaker 4: To get it to be an actual syndrome or a disorder.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: It's it's literally all over the place as far as
Speaker 3: like symbolism goes, dude, Because let me tell you, I
Speaker 3: just found this out and blew my fucking mind. So
Speaker 3: recently we had on Santos Bonacci on metamistics, which was
Speaker 3: fucking awesome, Dudude's like the highlight of my podcasting podcasting career,
Speaker 3: like the goat of all eso terrorism.
Speaker 5: As far as i'm that's that's a guy with the
Speaker 5: white turban thing.
Speaker 2: It's some kind of beanie little.
Speaker 5: Beanie thing that he was wearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome. I love that guy. But he
Speaker 2: was talking about dude, check this out.
Speaker 3: He says that all fairy tales are all like all
Speaker 3: the ancient, like the older fairy tales, even like the
Speaker 3: Brothers Grim. Kind of shit is that allegedly, even the
Speaker 3: Brothers Grim, they got those stories from older stories that
Speaker 3: were being told around the town or whatever, and then
Speaker 3: I guess they just basically claimed ownership of them or whatever.
Speaker 2: What you know, how it goes with the light bulb
Speaker 2: and all that other shit.
Speaker 3: But as far as the snow white and the seven doors, dude,
Speaker 3: I didn't know this esoterically, what that means is snow
Speaker 3: white is like, look at it, like white light shining
Speaker 3: through a prism gives you the seven lights or the
Speaker 3: seven dwarves, right, and it's just kind of crazy like that.
Speaker 3: And the seven dwarves represents the seven energy centers within you,
Speaker 3: also known as chakras. But essentially that your light shining
Speaker 3: from within is giving light to all of your energy
Speaker 3: centers in your entire body, and each one of them
Speaker 3: is represented by one of these happy bashful, fucking dopey
Speaker 3: and grown.
Speaker 2: Which color is Doc? Doc is orange?
Speaker 3: What it's like, you know, that's your energy centers, your
Speaker 3: chakra kind of shit. So orange represents intellectual, elder and
Speaker 3: fast moving mind, and that's what Doc represents, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 3: Literally all the fucking all the ancient fairy tale shows,
Speaker 3: which I've always been obsessed with, are they're all.
Speaker 2: Like deeper meaning than you would think.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually that's the next show that we're doing
Speaker 3: on Meta is We're going to be going into the
Speaker 3: esoteric foundations of the stories of Snow White and the
Speaker 3: Seven Dwarves and Cinderella, and We're just gonna keep on
Speaker 3: going because it is so chock full of crazy, deeper
Speaker 3: meaning stuff and I just love that kind of shit.
Speaker 4: That was my teacher, My teacher in uh high school
Speaker 4: my junior year. She actually had us look down, break
Speaker 4: down the entire snow White and all the symbolism with
Speaker 4: snow White and like the.
Speaker 5: Colors represent each thing.
Speaker 4: She was now that at thinking back though, she definitely
Speaker 4: was a conspiracy theorist because she had us breakdown the
Speaker 4: Da Vinci code in so many levels. We spent like
Speaker 4: half the year on that book and Snow White. Those
Speaker 4: were and then we did the Odyssey as well, so
Speaker 4: we spent that was the entirety of the year. Were
Speaker 4: those three books and all the symbolism within and the
Speaker 4: colors and what the colors mean and how how they
Speaker 4: represent different things, and how numbers represent things and how
Speaker 4: they all tie in together, and what the deeper meaning
Speaker 4: is and why a children's book would have these specific things,
Speaker 4: and how we need to look beyond what's being presented
Speaker 4: to us.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I just thought about that, but
Speaker 5: I was like, God, damn was she was on it,
Speaker 5: Like she definitely knew a lot more than what she
Speaker 5: was leading on.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's where I started really kind of questioning things,
Speaker 4: because she really was like, what is the true meaning
Speaker 4: of these things? The Odyssey was a really interesting one
Speaker 4: that we broke down to so many levels.
Speaker 5: Shout out to her, by the way.
Speaker 2: Deeper than the surface level shit, And that's I love
Speaker 2: looking beyond the surface because that's where the meat is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what you do with the Cinderella
Speaker 1: story because the European version and the Chinese version, although
Speaker 1: there is some striking similarities, there's also some very important
Speaker 1: cultural differences, right, Like and one is the glass slipper
Speaker 1: in China. It was the Golden Slipper and there was
Speaker 1: fishbones involved, and it was like a ghost of the
Speaker 1: fish that gave her the wisdom to know what to do,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not a fairy godmother, it's it's but
Speaker 1: the story in the moral thereof is very similar.
Speaker 3: But it all symbolic like placeholders. Is that that's how
Speaker 3: you're supposed to look at it. Like the apple in
Speaker 3: the Garden of Eden was not actually an apple. It's
Speaker 3: just like a placeholder for something else.
Speaker 1: And never actually say it's an apple. They just say
Speaker 1: it's the fruit of the tree. Humans told you that.
Speaker 2: It was apples, and so you just assume that it's such.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but literally, you didn't eat a fruit, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, she's you know, it wasn't a
Speaker 3: literal fruit. Fruit stands for something else.
Speaker 1: I respectfully disagree, Actually think she ate a literal fruit?
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Really yeah, what makes you think that you would be
Speaker 3: condemned for that?
Speaker 2: Because it was the one rule, It was like the
Speaker 2: one thing.
Speaker 1: Do everything you want in this garden, there's a tree
Speaker 1: of all of life and death, and all these other
Speaker 1: trees and all these other plants do all you want
Speaker 1: up in this garden, but there's this one tree I
Speaker 1: need you to just not touch. And of course they
Speaker 1: had to go eat the fruit of that. Now again,
Speaker 1: it's assumed that it was an apple, and that's why,
Speaker 1: like Apple computers and phones and all these things have
Speaker 1: an apple with a bite taken out of it. You
Speaker 1: could look at the original depiction of the Apple's logo
Speaker 1: and it is an apple on the tree in the garden,
Speaker 1: and that's what the one bite is up actually representative of.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I believe that story.
Speaker 3: Is pretty true because on the computer, you're gonna find
Speaker 3: knowledge of good and evil, right, it's everything everything Apple
Speaker 3: products that come out there have the same image.
Speaker 2: But I mean, we could tie that into so many
Speaker 2: different angles.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, the thing that you take
Speaker 3: that at face value, though you never thought to look deeper.
Speaker 1: Into that, No, of course I have, But I I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's levels of that that are unknown to us.
Speaker 1: But that's one of those stories that I do believe
Speaker 1: are pretty true to form, especially whenever they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: where was the garden of being located. Well, was at
Speaker 1: the corner of where the Tigers and the Euphrates meet
Speaker 1: and two other ancient rivers. And everybody's like, well, there's
Speaker 1: no two ancient rivers, so that must not be the
Speaker 1: right spot cut to. They've done recent studies to show no,
Speaker 1: there are two ancient rivers that absolutely tied in the
Speaker 1: Tigers to the Euphrates, and these two other rivers tied
Speaker 1: into one point and that is absolutely where the Garden
Speaker 1: of Eden resided at one point in time.
Speaker 2: Oh, you think even the Garden of Eden was a
Speaker 2: literal place here on Earth? Really? For sure? Wow?
Speaker 3: Okay, they teach that no doubt anyway. All right, let's
Speaker 3: get into what is your topic today, Jacob.
Speaker 2: Oh, So here we go.
Speaker 1: And I thought about this, like, what is my favorite
Speaker 1: conspiracy realistically?
Speaker 2: Right? And there's so many. There are so many that
Speaker 2: stand out that.
Speaker 1: I would love to just go deeper on, and even
Speaker 1: ones we've hashed out before and that would love to
Speaker 1: go a little deeper on. Gotta be honest, only one
Speaker 1: came through as my personal favorite, and that will be Flat.
Speaker 2: Earth, Believe it or not. Good cult members.
Speaker 5: I was already laughing before he said.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
Speaker 1: My favorite conspiracy is the flat Earth conversation, although I
Speaker 1: disagree with it heavily, although I think it is ridiculous
Speaker 1: and so so, so so many ways, but in and
Speaker 1: of itself, it is, by all accounts, like the mother
Speaker 1: of all conspiracies, because the flat earth community ties it
Speaker 1: into everything. You want to talk about Tartaria, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about history being a lie, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about science being a lie, the education system being
Speaker 1: a lie, the political elites being a part of it.
Speaker 2: The Jews and the Gypsies, it's all flat Earth.
Speaker 1: It all ties in. It's like, I fucking love it.
Speaker 1: I really do, like for nothing else than for the
Speaker 1: entertainment value. And to be fair, I'm not just gonna
Speaker 1: shit on it. I'm going to give the flat earth
Speaker 1: community their flowers or their laurels, if you will. The
Speaker 1: flat earth community has in fact blown the lid off
Speaker 1: of so many conspiracies. And I'm not saying that in
Speaker 1: a facetious tone. I'm being very genuine when I say that.
Speaker 1: It's very accurate because they're looking at things from a
Speaker 1: very different perspective and from a very different vantage point
Speaker 1: than the rest of human fucking history. Honestly, and so
Speaker 1: that gives them a different look. Therefore, it gives them
Speaker 1: a fun vantage point to really go into. So as
Speaker 1: I was looking into this.
Speaker 2: Right the flat earth conversation, it so well, I'm glad
Speaker 2: you brought that up, Raven, because there is a starting
Speaker 2: point to this, there really is.
Speaker 5: Let's go there the day one, well.
Speaker 2: Day one.
Speaker 1: The earliest sources, the caveman, if you will, would have
Speaker 1: walked outside and acknowledged that the Earth is flat.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, ancient Rome, name, name your ancient
Speaker 1: tribe that actually had a written language. They all knew
Speaker 1: that the Earth was round. This wasn't a debatable point
Speaker 1: to them, the ancient Sumerians. There's cuneiform b tablets that
Speaker 1: talk about this. It's not this is not a debatable point.
Speaker 5: But lies all lies.
Speaker 2: Oh they're all lies, clearly, clearly.
Speaker 5: But every one of them is a lie. Damn it.
Speaker 1: Before and with that, y'all, for any of the flat
Speaker 1: earthers out there that are fans of the cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 1: please do not take this as Jacob trying to shit
Speaker 1: on the flat earth community. I am truly being generous
Speaker 1: when I say that I do love the flat earthers,
Speaker 1: and I love their talking points, and it is fun
Speaker 1: and it is entertaining, and it is looking at the
Speaker 1: word with their third eye all the way open.
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with that, And we literally employ
Speaker 2: a flat earther, So we support it. We do, we do.
Speaker 2: But Josh, that being said, ancient Semi Area, ancient Egypt,
Speaker 2: ancient Greece, ancient Hittites, name your tribe, they all knew
Speaker 2: the Earth was round from very very basic experiments that
Speaker 2: anybody could do, but there was always a group that
Speaker 2: was there to combat that. And fine, cool people want
Speaker 2: to question the world around them. I get it.
Speaker 1: That's literally the basis of this show. So how and
Speaker 1: why did flat earth become a talking point in our
Speaker 1: lexicon today? Real quick, before I even dive into it,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Raven, do either of you know why flat earth.
Speaker 2: Became a talking point in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: It's been around for a lot longer than that. But sure,
Speaker 3: I know that whenever I first started really looking into
Speaker 3: it was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and there was
Speaker 3: already like a massive following for it. Sure, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people that get referred to as like
Speaker 3: the godfathers of it. Yea, we've had a couple of
Speaker 3: them on and yeah, I couldn't tell you exactly where
Speaker 3: when it got rekindled though, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Raven, do you have any ideas?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like as far as podcasting goes, right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like the sources we've talked about Dave
Speaker 1: Weiss love him to death. He and I have that
Speaker 1: love hate relationship going on. The bet is still on
Speaker 1: the table, the whole nine. But the sources for what
Speaker 1: makes him who he is, the things he talks about,
Speaker 1: where is that originating from? Because it can't be the
Speaker 1: ancient sources. Literally, you could look at ancient Egypt. They
Speaker 1: knew the earth is round and that's well documented. So
Speaker 1: how did it become a point?
Speaker 2: Raven? Any ideas?
Speaker 4: I feel like during the Middle Dark Ages is when
Speaker 4: it really started picking up, and then I feel like
Speaker 4: it came about again, I don't know, maybe the mid
Speaker 4: two thousands when Internet really started to pop off and
Speaker 4: the form the whatever they are, where everyone went and
Speaker 4: chatted the forms. Okay, that's where maybe that's where it
Speaker 4: picked up big time movement.
Speaker 2: So you're not off base.
Speaker 1: Like I said, throughout history, even though it's been understood
Speaker 1: that the Earth is a round, globular type of shape,
Speaker 1: there's always been your groups that are going to go
Speaker 1: against that, and they're gonna throw out so many different
Speaker 1: reasons as to their beliefs.
Speaker 2: Fine cool. The reason why it became a.
Speaker 1: Thing that we're talking about today is because during the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, the Flat Earth Society became a thing and
Speaker 1: that grew into the flat earth community that we now know.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what was their sources?
Speaker 1: They're gonna quote quote the pie Rees map, even though
Speaker 1: Pirie Reece never went to Antarctica, he was going off
Speaker 1: of other sources.
Speaker 2: They're going to quote captn.
Speaker 1: Cook, even though when he circumnavigated Terra Australia what we
Speaker 1: would now call Antarctica, could look at his ship logs
Speaker 1: and see that they didn't have the resources to go
Speaker 1: around a flat plane. It was only made sense that
Speaker 1: they had enough resources to go around a continent.
Speaker 2: Well, fine cool, How and why did this become?
Speaker 1: And the whole nine the ice wall, the stars not
Speaker 1: being real, planet's not being real, all of these things,
Speaker 1: the flat earth model that we have today, How did
Speaker 1: that become a thing. And for that we go to
Speaker 1: a name that a lot of people may not have
Speaker 1: really ever heard of before. For that, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go to a guy named Parallax. Does his name
Speaker 1: ring a bell to anybody like Greek? No? No, no, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish so no? Early eighteen hundreds, Actually his his
Speaker 1: actual name was Samuel Burley, robuthum, Robottom wherever you want
Speaker 1: to pronounce it as. But he went under the pseudonym
Speaker 1: of Parallax to give himself more.
Speaker 2: Of a ooh.
Speaker 1: As far as his name is concerned, it's a little mystique,
Speaker 1: I guess, And there are so many different opinions as
Speaker 1: to why he chose that nickname, but let's get into
Speaker 1: it here.
Speaker 2: So Parallax, who was he? Why did he have such
Speaker 2: a stick? As far as flat Earth was concerned? So
Speaker 2: you got to look at the world.
Speaker 1: In the early eighteen hundreds and into the mid eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: edutainment was starting to become a thing, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: to the level that it is today today. When we
Speaker 1: think edutainment, you have a million YouTube channels that are
Speaker 1: dedicated to making history fun, to making science fun, to
Speaker 1: making math fun, and they break it down in very
Speaker 1: you know, lowbrow terms that anybody can understand. They have depictions,
Speaker 1: they got dry erase boards, they got graphics, they got
Speaker 1: ai all these things to make it more fun and
Speaker 1: entertaining for the masses who are trying to watch it.
Speaker 1: In the early to mid eighteen hundreds, you had dudes
Speaker 1: who made a solid amount of money traveling to give
Speaker 1: lectures two different groups. And even if it was some
Speaker 1: off the wall thing that nobody actually believed, Yo, you
Speaker 1: would pay a penny to go hear a guy in
Speaker 1: the same way for the record, that you would still
Speaker 1: go pay a penny to watch Dave Chappelle, who is
Speaker 1: a comedian. He makes jokes, that's his whole thing, but
Speaker 1: we can all acknowledge that he talks about some real
Speaker 1: shit within his comedy, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. You know you even think
Speaker 3: back to like dude in Game of Thrones, like their
Speaker 3: form of entertainment was just watching like fucking these stupid
Speaker 3: plays and sock puppets and shit like that. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you'd pay a penny to go see that just to
Speaker 3: burn some time and spend some time with family.
Speaker 2: Laughing absolutely Shakespeare, Okay, the people went and paid a
Speaker 2: penny to go watch the Story of Macbeth, where he's
Speaker 2: got three witches. He's fighting the ghost of his dad
Speaker 2: the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's it's clearly this is not reality, but it's entertainment.
Speaker 1: Now you couple that with a guy who claims to
Speaker 1: be certified and circumcised and all things documented through the
Speaker 1: the affiliates and the programs and the things and the stuff.
Speaker 2: He he studied a school in the Far East.
Speaker 1: He's certified through the Londinium College of Berlindium. And these
Speaker 1: places don't fucking exist, but doesn't matter. He's got the credentials.
Speaker 1: At least it sounds good. You'll go pay a penny
Speaker 1: to hear him talk some shit?
Speaker 2: Why not? I got nothing bear going on this afternoon,
Speaker 2: like the Wizard of Oz kind of shit? Why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? So you got this guy Parallax.
Speaker 1: His again, actual name was Samuel both Robotum Robotum row Botham.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm mispronouncing it, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: So he was born in eighteen sixteen and he died
Speaker 1: December of eighteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: It's very important as to how he died because he
Speaker 2: also doubled as another name was it try On, doctor Tryon,
Speaker 2: And he also went by the name of doctor Burley.
Speaker 1: And he made up all these names for himself to
Speaker 1: sell essentially snake oil. But neither here nor there. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to that in a moment, So long story short.
Speaker 1: His grandfather was ninety years old and was not in
Speaker 1: the best of mental health. And he was seven, you boy, Sam,
Speaker 1: and he could remember hearing his grandfather getting a debate
Speaker 1: with a guy about whether the Earth was round or flat.
Speaker 1: His grandfather was a bit of a dick, like no exaggeration,
Speaker 1: that was an understood thing, but like whatever, he loved
Speaker 1: his grandfather. He heard his grandfather give this whole thing
Speaker 1: about the Earth is clearly flat, and then he died,
Speaker 1: and to his seven year old brain, well, my grandfather
Speaker 1: would never lie to me, So the Earth has got
Speaker 1: to be flat. And he dedicated at least a portion
Speaker 1: of his life to proving this. He would do this
Speaker 1: through a way of of giving seminars and throwing out
Speaker 1: math and big words, big fanciful words, half of them
Speaker 1: he made up by the way that made no sense.
Speaker 1: And when he started debating actual explorers, actual navigators, actual
Speaker 1: physicists who had. Some of them had actually gone to
Speaker 1: Antarctica themselves, they had sailed the southern seas.
Speaker 2: They knew what was up.
Speaker 1: Some of these mathematicians actually could tell like what was
Speaker 1: going on by very basic experiments in named biker practice.
Speaker 2: At home. He kept his demeanor very cool, very calm,
Speaker 2: very collected. He would he would answer a question with
Speaker 2: a question. He would throw some answers back at them
Speaker 2: that made no sense whatsoever. And if that sounds like
Speaker 2: anybody to anybody out there, I'm not dropping names, but
Speaker 2: this all ties in.
Speaker 1: It's very much the parallaxium model. And so he ran
Speaker 1: with this so hard and so deep that this spawned
Speaker 1: into a revival of the flat earth movement, that led
Speaker 1: into the Flat Earth Society of the nineteen fifties becoming
Speaker 1: a thing. But we're gonna talk about it because this
Speaker 1: I wrote pamphlets that was somehow documented and seen by
Speaker 1: some academic sources quote unquote.
Speaker 2: As oh, this guy knows what he's talking about here.
Speaker 1: So all right, getting back to it now, Samuel Burley Robotham.
Speaker 1: He again, it was in London, and he was an
Speaker 1: English inventor, writer, a utopian socialist.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that part. Again, the reason.
Speaker 1: Why we know about flat Earth to the level we
Speaker 1: do today is because of a socialist full stop.
Speaker 2: Some would argue that Jesus was too, but I digress.
Speaker 1: Nobody would argue that. The people that argued that also,
Speaker 1: I just heard a whole debate. These people were arguing
Speaker 1: that Jesus was a vegan because he would never kill
Speaker 1: an animal. And it's like, you understand, he was a
Speaker 1: Jew and they did sacrifices, and Jesus told the Jews
Speaker 1: to do sacrifices. He also did the whole Passover meal,
Speaker 1: which involved eating lamb.
Speaker 2: So like, all right, I think pescatary and you can
Speaker 2: have fish, but lamb. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It blows the mind these people that tried to make
Speaker 1: Jesus fit into their world narrative rather than making their
Speaker 1: world narrative fit to Jesus.
Speaker 2: That's they're flipping the script. But we're not getting into that.
Speaker 2: We're not getting into that.
Speaker 1: My point is this dude was a socialist and he
Speaker 1: lived on a commune that later kicked him out because
Speaker 1: of his wild ass.
Speaker 2: Claims, and they got so annoyed with him that they
Speaker 2: were like, nahd'd.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Like we don't care anyway, He was a
Speaker 1: flat earther who wrote Zadetic Astronomy, Earth not a globe,
Speaker 1: under the pseudonym of Parallax. His work was originally published
Speaker 1: as a sixteen page pamphlet in eighteen forty nine and
Speaker 1: later expanded into a book in eighteen sixty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixty four, and then eighteen sixty five is when it
Speaker 1: was expanded into a book. Robotom's method, which he called
Speaker 1: Zadetic astrology, models the Earth as a flat disc centered
Speaker 1: at the north pole and bounded along its perimeter by
Speaker 1: a wall of ice within the sun, moon, planets, and stars,
Speaker 1: moving only several thousand miles above the surface. His work
Speaker 1: is generally credited with the modern revival of.
Speaker 2: The belief in flat earth. So I'm not gonna get
Speaker 2: into his early life because he is the only one
Speaker 2: that wrote any kind of biography about himself. And depending
Speaker 2: on which one you read, some of them claim that
Speaker 2: he was able to.
Speaker 1: Walk, talk, and read by one month old. Some will
Speaker 1: say that he had psychic powers by two. Again, all
Speaker 1: of this is written by him, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them actually conflict each other when you read them next
Speaker 1: to each other. So who's to say what his actual
Speaker 1: early life was like, okay, this is Barnum and Bailey, right,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying here, You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But fine, okay, maybe your boy embellished a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was for the readers, a little bit of some
Speaker 1: fanfic thrown in there.
Speaker 2: Bits.
Speaker 4: Fine, Fine, He probably had a pet uniform too. I
Speaker 4: wrote a mythical dragon.
Speaker 5: You know, I can see it.
Speaker 2: He might have smoked the mythical dragon. But so.
Speaker 1: He started out as an organizer of the Owenite community
Speaker 1: at Manea in the Fins, which is a socialist commune,
Speaker 1: where he formulated his ideas about the Earth. After measuring
Speaker 1: a lack of coal curvature on the long straight drainage
Speaker 1: ditches on the Bedford levels in his first Bedford level experiments,
Speaker 1: which we've talked about on Flat Earth Conversations a good bit,
Speaker 1: he was convinced of the flatness of the Earth and
Speaker 1: began to lecture on the topic. The Bedford level experiment
Speaker 1: he basically either a got down to the level of
Speaker 1: the water with a telescope and was able to see
Speaker 1: people skating on a frozen pond way further than he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be able to see, that's one version
Speaker 1: of it. Another version is he sent two boats at
Speaker 1: different times, the little flags on them. He sent one
Speaker 1: and then like twenty minutes later sent another one. They
Speaker 1: had different color little flags on the little boats that
Speaker 1: were floating in a drainage ditch, which you know, elevations
Speaker 1: and things, but water's level, so it couldn't be. And
Speaker 1: so he looked down and they weren't as they weren't
Speaker 1: at the same distance. Like something was wrong here. The
Speaker 1: whole conversation of the curvature was wrong. Never mind the
Speaker 1: fact that one of these boats was caught up in
Speaker 1: some foliage that was in the river.
Speaker 2: But that's not the point. The point is we're being
Speaker 2: eyed to, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: So he took a little time to learn his trade,
Speaker 1: running away from a lecture in Blackburn where he could
Speaker 1: not explain why the holes of ships disappeared before their
Speaker 1: meat masks when sailing out to sea. I know, I
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, but whenever a ship goes out to sea,
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ship disappears first. And he was
Speaker 1: questioned with that, with people that were actual explorers that
Speaker 1: knew how the sea works.
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to answer that. So he ran away
Speaker 2: and said, don't worry, I'll be able to answer that
Speaker 2: in part two of my lecture. Come back tomorrow and
Speaker 2: see me.
Speaker 1: He left town like he full on skip town and
Speaker 1: was laughed at, and a lot of people said, oh,
Speaker 1: he must have fall on off the ice.
Speaker 2: Wall, that's why it's not here.
Speaker 1: But he continued his conversation right, however, as he persisted
Speaker 1: in filling halls by charging sixpence a lecture, which I
Speaker 1: mean we say the term sixpence or like sixpennies. Now
Speaker 1: back then, that was a pretty decent chunk of change. Here,
Speaker 1: his quick wittedness and debating skills were honed so much
Speaker 1: that he could counter every argument with ingenuity, wit and
Speaker 1: consummate skill. When finally pinned down to a challenge in
Speaker 1: Plymouth in eighteen sixty four by allegations that he would
Speaker 1: not agree to attest, see your boy, Samuel appeared on
Speaker 1: Plymouth Hoe at the appointed time, which Plymouth is a
Speaker 1: spot in England. And essentially what happened was there was
Speaker 1: a lighthouse, the Edistone Lighthouse, and it was fourteen miles
Speaker 1: out to see and that was an understood. The distance
Speaker 1: was guaranteed. That is a fourteen mile distance from where
Speaker 1: we're standing to this lighthouse.
Speaker 2: Got it dope. So what he was.
Speaker 1: Saying is that, don't worry, you'll be able to see
Speaker 1: the bottom of the lighthouse.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter with the earth is flat.
Speaker 1: The physicist came out and was like, no, you'll be
Speaker 1: able to see just like half the light.
Speaker 2: That you'll be able to see only half the.
Speaker 1: Light because the way the curvature goes down at that
Speaker 1: distance and all the things.
Speaker 2: The day came, they looked at their telescopes. Both were wrong.
Speaker 2: Both were wrong. Can you guess what they saw when
Speaker 2: they looked through their telescopes fog raven.
Speaker 5: They saw I don't know half of it.
Speaker 2: They saw half of it.
Speaker 1: The reason why is because atmospheric differential was understood at
Speaker 1: the time, but the physicists miscalculated it, which that was
Speaker 1: a easily disproven as soon as the experiment was over, like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: we messed up our math. Here you go, bob, here's
Speaker 1: why we saw what we saw. Damn you took it
Speaker 1: to say. Oh see, y'all were wrong too. I was wrong,
Speaker 1: but you were wrong too, so I'm a dip. Later
Speaker 1: he later got brought to trial for fraud and was
Speaker 1: supposed to pay out a certain amount because that was
Speaker 1: the wager that was thrown down on. This debt didn't
Speaker 1: happen at all. And then he changed his name again
Speaker 1: to the doctor Tryon thing and to sell his phosphoric acid.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that here in a minute too. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 5: Love this guy's great.
Speaker 2: He's he's a character, which is what he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be. He wasn't supposed to be.
Speaker 5: Reminds me of somebody just weird.
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to be seen as a serious expert.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be edutainment. He's like, he's like
Speaker 2: pro wrestlers. They are talking some mad shit. You're not
Speaker 2: supposed to take it as reality. It's the show. It's
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 5: Do not bring wrestling into the Royal.
Speaker 2: Rumble was fucking awesome, by the way. I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you do not.
Speaker 4: Bring that into this, thank you. Okay, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
Speaker 1: It's a boxing match, it's about to go on, and
Speaker 1: these dudes are talking mad shit on the mic before
Speaker 1: the fight to hype it up.
Speaker 2: It's not real. They don't actually hate each other. They
Speaker 2: don't care. It's about getting the eyes on the event.
Speaker 2: Jake Paul fight there you go.
Speaker 5: That's what I was thinking of too.
Speaker 2: Or Love and Paul with the WWE.
Speaker 4: You see him get something snuck into his hand and
Speaker 4: they're like all debating about it if he was taking
Speaker 4: drugs or not.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Apparently there's a video of a guy coming up
Speaker 4: and like he hands him something real quick, and he
Speaker 4: kind of like hangs out for a few minutes and
Speaker 4: then he like goes like this and puts it in
Speaker 4: his mouth, and apparently they have it on video and
Speaker 4: there's like a whole thing going on with it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I believe it adrenochrome capsules. That's that's my guess. Why not?
Speaker 5: Probably why not he sent in a capsule so you
Speaker 5: can put it in there?
Speaker 2: You could, Yeah, absolutely could. But anyway, all right, So
Speaker 2: back to our boy Sam here.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sorry, eighteen fifty six, Robottom married for a
Speaker 1: second time because his first marriage disintegrated. It was it
Speaker 1: was a mess for a second time and had two children,
Speaker 1: one of whom died in infancy. So your boy had
Speaker 1: like nine kids, only three of them survived. Some speculate
Speaker 1: that the reason is because he was force feeding them
Speaker 1: his snake oils, his phosphork acids that he believed would
Speaker 1: keep somebody alive for forever. And I don't mean that euphemistically.
Speaker 1: He truly believed and wrote a pamphlet on this to
Speaker 1: the tune of this, basically, the only reason why we
Speaker 1: die is because our body starts to harden up like rocks,
Speaker 1: and essentially when we die, certain organs are a rock form.
Speaker 2: It's like petrified. Would our organs do that? Obviously?
Speaker 1: You know how you could stop that? Phosphork acid sold
Speaker 1: in this neat little bottle b b bu up and
Speaker 1: it's by doctor. Tryon, you know, you could trust a
Speaker 1: doctor and it's like, no, it's you dude.
Speaker 2: It's literally it like coloidal silver. It really does, right.
Speaker 1: So most of his children died before they were six,
Speaker 1: reason being every time they had the sniffles, he would
Speaker 1: force the mass amounts of phosphoric acid, which in small
Speaker 1: doses is not bad, but even a small dose to
Speaker 1: a child in the manner of which he was given
Speaker 1: it to them is very detrimental.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to that more in a bit.
Speaker 1: Anyway, in eighteen sixty one, when he was forty six,
Speaker 1: your boy married a fifteen year old girl with whom
Speaker 1: he was living at the time of the marriage, and
Speaker 1: settled in London, producing fifteen known children, of whom only
Speaker 1: four survived.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, my math was off a moment ago. He
Speaker 2: was named in.
Speaker 1: Numerous cases of wrongful deaths, including a death by misadventure
Speaker 1: for accidentally poisoning one of his own children. Again, it
Speaker 1: was the wow, yeah, no, no, this is the flat
Speaker 1: earth guy. Just so we're all clear here, But we'll get.
Speaker 5: To more shadow and a killer.
Speaker 1: Well, at that time, fifteen wasn't crazy for marrying age.
Speaker 1: And I disagree with this. I disagree with it wholeheartedly,
Speaker 1: but we're looking at the most it is by our
Speaker 1: modern interpretation of the word. But back in those days,
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old getting married was like not crazy
Speaker 1: to these people. Basically, once you started your period, a
Speaker 1: girl was of marrying age, which is fucking mind blowing.
Speaker 1: But per the early eighteen hundreds, apparently that was just
Speaker 1: like the way.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm gonna still stand by my statement,
Speaker 4: Oh I know, but a forty five year old man
Speaker 4: with a fifteen year old girl is absolutely disgusting anyway
Speaker 4: you chop it up. I think any way you want
Speaker 4: to look at it even culturally, like you still know
Speaker 4: it's probably wrong, and you're still gonna do it anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I'm just mentioning that that was
Speaker 2: also a social norm of the day. But that's beside
Speaker 2: the point his first wife.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: But he killed a whole bunch of his children.
Speaker 2: Most of them, most of them.
Speaker 1: He even goes on to say that he was responsible
Speaker 1: for other deaths using his quack cures of phosphorus. He
Speaker 1: was also alleged to be using the name of doctor
Speaker 1: Samuel Burley, living in a beautiful twelve roomed house, selling
Speaker 1: the secrets of prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable.
Speaker 1: Augustine de Morgan refers to him as S. Goulden his patent.
Speaker 1: He patented a number of inventions, including a quote life
Speaker 1: preserving cylindrical railway carriage. Basically, if you have this carriage
Speaker 1: carry from point A to point B, you'll live forever.
Speaker 1: What's so special about it? It's the shape that's it.
Speaker 1: For the record, Yep, this is the guy. This is
Speaker 1: the reason why flat earth is a conversation that we
Speaker 1: talk about today. Just so we're clear, but we're getting
Speaker 1: deeper here.
Speaker 3: It's not just people making observations. It could be that too.
Speaker 2: The observations can quickly be understood scientifically to like know
Speaker 2: what is actually happening.
Speaker 1: But like, nobody has ever seen the curve. You can
Speaker 1: see it by looking out of an airplane. But then
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, oh, that's because a fish bowl lenses.
Speaker 1: There's no fish bowl glass on a plane. Dog, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is.
Speaker 2: It's curved.
Speaker 1: It definitely is curve. A cur with the rest of
Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, but that's not a curve. This way
Speaker 1: is not going to make the Earth look a certain way.
Speaker 1: This way, that's not how that goes. Vertical and horizontal
Speaker 1: don't equate to the same eyesight.
Speaker 3: Even your boy fucking what's his name, the black scientist
Speaker 3: guy uh Neil de grass Tyson, will say that you
Speaker 3: can't see it from a plane. You can't even see
Speaker 3: it from like what was it.
Speaker 2: The You could see it from the Bersh Khalifa.
Speaker 3: He said that even the red bull jumper couldn't see it,
Speaker 3: and that goes way higher than a plane.
Speaker 1: That's incorrect. You could look at the cameras that he
Speaker 1: had on that satellite and see it.
Speaker 2: Said you couldn't. I don't know. I'm just saying what
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 1: Neil de Grass also says Pluto isn't a planet. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of him either, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I personally have never looked outside of a
Speaker 3: plane window and thought, oh, the world is round. I've
Speaker 3: been on a lot of planes. I've never seen a
Speaker 3: curvature because you can see that it extends vastly. Dude,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that it's round or flat.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not even going there, all right. I think it's
Speaker 3: a fucking fake anyway.
Speaker 2: But my point is is that I've never seen a
Speaker 2: curvature from a plane. I don't think you can. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's high up enough.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: The dude that kills me is he brought like a
Speaker 1: six inch torpedo level onto a plane, put down his
Speaker 1: trade table on the seat in front of him, and
Speaker 1: put it down there to show that he was level.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh boy, that's that's not how this
Speaker 1: works at all.
Speaker 2: Like shout out to Daryl Marble, He's the one that
Speaker 2: did that. That is that is silliness.
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous, Like I that's like balancing a square
Speaker 1: and saying, well, it's round because I balanced it. It's
Speaker 1: like what like you could like when you're balancing a tire,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, getting sending somebody a square
Speaker 1: and saying, well, we balanced it, so it's gotta work
Speaker 1: like that. That's not how this works. You could balance
Speaker 1: anything that doesn't make it round.
Speaker 3: Dog, I don't fucking know. I really don't care because
Speaker 3: I don't believe that. I think the material world isn't
Speaker 3: illusion anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's fair.
Speaker 1: But as far as the conspirac is concerned, here, let's continue.
Speaker 1: He says he painted or he hadn't, did a number
Speaker 1: of inventions. We talked about the cylindrical railway carriage. He
Speaker 1: is not known to have hailed any medical degrees, and
Speaker 1: his professions are named as at different times of chemist, physician, journalist,
Speaker 1: and soap boiler. Somehow he held all these titles at
Speaker 1: the same time. His book Zadetic Astronomy The Earth Is
Speaker 1: Not a Globe appeared in eighteen sixty four. His lectures continued,
Speaker 1: and concerned citizens address letters to the Astronomer Royal seeking
Speaker 1: rebuttals for his claims. A correspondent to The Leeds Times
Speaker 1: observed that quote. One thing he did not or one
Speaker 1: thing he did demonstrate, was that scientific dabblers, unused to
Speaker 1: platform's advocacy, are unable to cope with a man a charlatan,
Speaker 1: if you will, but clever and thoroughly up to in
Speaker 1: his theory, thoroughly alive to the weakness of his opponents.
Speaker 1: So basically he's saying like, look, these people have never
Speaker 1: seen a debater go against somebody who can match him,
Speaker 1: because he's going up against people when he's proposing questions
Speaker 1: that they're not prepared to answer. Right, So continuing on here,
Speaker 1: one of Robotham's followers, John Hampden, a Christian polmist polemicist,
Speaker 1: gained notoriety by engaging in rausious public debates with leading
Speaker 1: scientists of the day. A bet involving the prominent naturalist
Speaker 1: Alfred Russell Wallace in the famous Bedford Level experiments led
Speaker 1: to several lawsuits for fraud and libel in Hampton's imprisonment.
Speaker 1: So the whole conversation about well they did those Bedford experiments,
Speaker 1: and clearly it shows you here at this flag there
Speaker 1: was people imprisoned for fraud based off of what they
Speaker 1: talked about there. In the United States, his ideas were
Speaker 1: taken up by the Christian Catholic Apostolic Church in nineteen
Speaker 1: fourteen and were promoted widely when the church added a
Speaker 1: radio station in nineteen twenty three. His work in the
Speaker 1: United States was continued by William Carpenter. He was a
Speaker 1: printer originally from Greenwich, England. Probably missed pronounce that Greenwich,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a supporter of him, and published Theoretical
Speaker 1: Astronomy Examined and Exposed Proving the Earth is Not a
Speaker 1: Globe in eight parts from eighteen sixty four under the
Speaker 1: name of Common Sense. He later immigrated to Baltimore, where
Speaker 1: he published one hundred Proofs the Earth Is Not a
Speaker 1: Globe in eighteen eighty five. So, just so we're all
Speaker 1: clear here, whenever people talk about how or you got
Speaker 1: to read books from the eighteen hundreds because that's when
Speaker 1: they knew the truth, or you got to read books
Speaker 1: from this, you gotta read books from this, we need
Speaker 1: to still test the source on those written documents. Just
Speaker 1: because they're written and just because they're a book does
Speaker 1: not mean they're real or truthful whatsoever. But okay, fine,
Speaker 1: So before I continue here again, I do want to
Speaker 1: make a mention.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the flat Earth.
Speaker 1: Community for the lids they have blown off of so
Speaker 1: many different conspiracies because they are looking at things from
Speaker 1: a different perspective, which gives them that ability. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to shit on the flat earthers. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: shit on parallax, or I should say people Samuel here anyway,
Speaker 1: So he also released a pamphlet where he talked about
Speaker 1: how to lift Forever. I'm gonna try to get this
Speaker 1: all in one. Take here Biology an inquiry into the
Speaker 1: cause of natural death, showing it is not to arise
Speaker 1: from old age, but a gradual process dammit of consolidation,
Speaker 1: arising from substances which may be so far controlled as
Speaker 1: to preserve health and active life for an indefinable period
Speaker 1: by tryon. That was the title of his pamphlet.
Speaker 3: I found another one one hundred proofs that the Earth
Speaker 3: is not a globe? But did he also go by
Speaker 3: another name called Wm Carpenter.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's why I was just talking about.
Speaker 1: That was William Carpenter that basically took his work and
Speaker 1: ran with it and wrote his own book.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I found the Internet archive of it. It's
Speaker 3: forty two pages and literally the opening page says a
Speaker 3: challenge to the Johns Hopkins Universe, one hundred proofs that
Speaker 3: the Earth is not a globe, and again it says
Speaker 3: it's upright, downright, and straightforward.
Speaker 1: Most of those quote unquote proofs can be very quickly,
Speaker 1: quickly dispelled. But all that is because of this dude
Speaker 1: who went under the nickname of Parallax when he was
Speaker 1: out there going on his speaking engagement. So again, Samuel
Speaker 1: Burley Robotom aka Parallax. He was an English quote unquote
Speaker 1: medical doctor and quote unquote inventor who wrote Zendetic Astronomy,
Speaker 1: Earth is not a globe based on his decades long
Speaker 1: scientific studies of the Earth, published a sixteen page pamphlet
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty nine, which he later expanded into a
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty page book expounding his views.
Speaker 2: According to him, his own personal.
Speaker 1: Scientific method, not the actual scientific method, but his version
Speaker 1: of the scientific method, which he called Zadetic astronomy. The
Speaker 1: Earth is a flat disc centered at the north pole,
Speaker 1: bounded along its southern edge by a wall of ice,
Speaker 1: with the sun, moon, and planets and stars only a
Speaker 1: few thousand miles above the surface of the Earth. He
Speaker 1: and his followers gained notoriety by engaging in Raush's public debates.
Speaker 2: Which I talked about earlier on.
Speaker 1: One such clash involved a prominent naturalist, Alfred Russell Wallace,
Speaker 1: and led to several lawsuits for fraud and liability.
Speaker 2: So this dude was this is what he did.
Speaker 1: He absolutely went in debated these people, and every now
Speaker 1: and then one of them would come with a point
Speaker 1: that he could not refute, and he would either a
Speaker 1: skip town or b say you know what, fuck it,
Speaker 1: let's do an experiment, and he would rig the deck
Speaker 1: to where it looked like nobody won. Therefore he's right,
Speaker 1: because that's how that works.
Speaker 3: Let's play a little game real quick. Out of one
Speaker 3: hundred proofs, I want you to pick any number from
Speaker 3: one to one hundred, and we'll just pick one of
Speaker 3: these proofs and then we'll see what your argument is
Speaker 3: against it.
Speaker 1: For the record, I didn't try to go against you
Speaker 1: at the Truman Show, but okay, we could do this.
Speaker 2: Forty five. I'm not pro flat earth either, I'm just
Speaker 2: I think it's fun. Forty five Why not? All right?
Speaker 4: Nine?
Speaker 2: Nine? All right? Forty five.
Speaker 3: They're short, they're not long forty five. The Astronomer Royal
Speaker 3: of England, George b Airy, in his celebrated work on
Speaker 3: astronomy The ip which Lectures, says that Jupiter is a
Speaker 3: large planet that turns on its axis, and why do
Speaker 3: we not turn? Of course, the common sense reply is
Speaker 3: because the Earth is not a planet. When therefore an
Speaker 3: Astronomer Royal puts words into our mouth wherewith we may
Speaker 3: overthrow the supposed planetary nature of the Earth. We have
Speaker 3: not far to go to pick up a proof that
Speaker 3: Earth is not a globe.
Speaker 2: So his question, his point is that while they say
Speaker 2: Jupiter rotates on an axis, why doesn't the Earth? But
Speaker 2: we do? Because do what? Yeah, that's kind of a
Speaker 2: silly point. I don't even know why that made the book.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of them are very similar in nature.
Speaker 3: Bro By the way, I'm not like doing this to
Speaker 3: suppose you just think it's funny, like a funny part
Speaker 3: Raven you said.
Speaker 2: Number nine.
Speaker 3: Number nine says, as mariners take to sea with them,
Speaker 3: charts constructed as though the sea were a level surface. However,
Speaker 3: these charts may err as to the true form of
Speaker 3: the level surface. Taken as a whole, it is clear
Speaker 3: as they find the answer, they find them. This doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense, as they find them answer their purposes
Speaker 3: tolerably well, and only tolerably well. For many ships are
Speaker 3: wrecked owing to the error of which we speak that
Speaker 3: the surface of the sea is as it is taken
Speaker 3: to be, whether the captain of the ship supposes that
Speaker 3: the Earth is a globe or anything else. Thus, then
Speaker 3: we draw from the common system of plane sailing a
Speaker 3: practical proof that Earth is not a globe.
Speaker 4: That was so much bullshit words to say, like a
Speaker 4: single line. You could have just wrote like a single line.
Speaker 1: This is very similar to most flat earth debates to
Speaker 1: this day, honestly just filling it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to sound smarter kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Using words that make you sound educated. And it's like,
Speaker 1: that's why there's so many shipwrecks. It's because they're going
Speaker 1: off of round Earth maps. If they were using flat
Speaker 1: Earth maps, and it'd be that's not the case, Like,
Speaker 1: that's why they're shipwrecks.
Speaker 2: Got you, I.
Speaker 4: Really know that I didn't know that Earth and Jupiter
Speaker 4: have different rotation periods.
Speaker 5: I knew that they were. I knew they were different.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how different Earth is twenty four hours
Speaker 4: and Jupiter is ten.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Jupiter is also a giant gas ball,
Speaker 1: so I mean that's that also adds to that, but
Speaker 1: it's also massive compared to ours.
Speaker 5: I just didn't realize that there was.
Speaker 4: It was so much, so much shorter than ours, Like
Speaker 4: ours is tilted at like twenty three point four degrees
Speaker 4: and Jupiter is tilted at only three degrees.
Speaker 2: That is, of course, if we were assuming that space is
Speaker 2: not faking gay.
Speaker 1: Right now, and that's the whole thing, right So moving
Speaker 1: on here, I'm going to read a quote from Zodetic Astronomy.
Speaker 1: No doubt many of our readers have been mystified in
Speaker 1: surprise within the last week by the announcement that, in
Speaker 1: three lectures at the Northampton Mechanics Institute, a gentleman who
Speaker 1: calls himself Parallax would undertake to prove the Earth is
Speaker 1: not a globe and see and c Okay. We were
Speaker 1: highly gratified by the manner in which this important subject
Speaker 1: was handled by Parallax, a pseudonym which the lecturer informed his.
Speaker 2: Audience he had adopted in order to avert the effect.
Speaker 1: Of an insinuation that his starting announcement is but the
Speaker 1: morbid desire of an individual to be known as a
Speaker 1: propounder of a philosophy boldly invariance with that of the
Speaker 1: great astronomers of the past and present. So they're saying, basically,
Speaker 1: this dude chose the name Parallax because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: his own name to get out there. He's trying to
Speaker 1: make himself sound like he's ancient in his knowledge. His
Speaker 1: subject was handled in a plain and easy manner, his
Speaker 1: language and illusions, proving him a man of education and thought,
Speaker 1: and certainly not a pedant or what you might call
Speaker 1: a pedestrian or uneducated. Right, the experiments mentioned divested of
Speaker 1: technologically in their radical recital, rather and understandable by all
Speaker 1: where of such a nature, or where of such a
Speaker 1: nature as to cause a start of surprise at their
Speaker 1: simplicity and truthfulness. It is not for us to pronounce
Speaker 1: a verdict upon so important an issue. Parallax may be
Speaker 1: an error, but as far as his reasonings from fact
Speaker 1: and experiment go, there is much two set scientific men thinking.
Speaker 1: His arguments consists of facts, and such are as pertinent
Speaker 1: to all degrees of mental capacity in the discussion which followed.
Speaker 1: Parallax certainly lost no ground either an answer to questions
Speaker 1: or to some broad assertions. Quoted from leaned or learned authorities.
Speaker 1: This is a quote from South Midland Free Press, August fourteenth,
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty four. This is a journalist who was in
Speaker 1: the room when he was doing one of his edutainment speeches,
Speaker 1: and this was their take on it. He's saying, well,
Speaker 1: clearly he didn't lose any ground. He didn't do this
Speaker 1: and this and this. This is a journalist who is
Speaker 1: not an educated person, so he wouldn't know who won
Speaker 1: or lost a debate in this regard. This would be
Speaker 1: like us listening to two quantum physicists who one getting
Speaker 1: down with string theory and one getting down what was
Speaker 1: that other theory the cloud or something like that, and
Speaker 1: them debating this and us looking at like, wow, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're both really educated, and neither side really sounded like
Speaker 1: they were lost. In reality, one side probably trounced the other.
Speaker 1: We just don't have the ears to hear that, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. They go into another example from the
Speaker 1: Greenwich Free Press and the Warrington Advertiser. All of them
Speaker 1: gave very, very kind of neutral reviews of these things,
Speaker 1: making him sound not bad or good, just kind of
Speaker 1: making all sides sound good. So he died right eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty five. Even though he had the cure to live forever,
Speaker 1: he died, which I also think is pretty important. He
Speaker 1: died in his sixties. The American Association for the Advancement
Speaker 1: of Science lists him as doctor Samuel Robottom in his
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty five obituary, as does the obituary in the
Speaker 1: English Mechanic of World Mechanic and World of Science. The
Speaker 1: bookseller obituary confirms he was a practicing doctor of medicine
Speaker 1: who exercises his legitimate profession with immense success quote unquote.
Speaker 1: For some years past, doctor Robottom is the name of
Speaker 1: doctor Burley exercises legitimate profession with immense success. He had
Speaker 1: special medicine for his own manufacture free phosphorus quote unquote,
Speaker 1: which he was reputed to be officiosis ef fiastious. I
Speaker 1: don't know, in the cure of a variety of ailments
Speaker 1: for some years past. Doctor Robottom could have never, under
Speaker 1: any circum consideration been induced to travel by rail. Patients
Speaker 1: or friends at a distance wishing to see him had
Speaker 1: to send their carriages for him, and within the last
Speaker 1: few months he visited Brighton for the benefit of his health,
Speaker 1: journeying to and fro in a private carriage. Curiously enough,
Speaker 1: the mode of con convenience in which he placed his
Speaker 1: faith accelerated his death. On an occasion several months passed
Speaker 1: when in aligned from a cab, he slipped and injured
Speaker 1: his leg, and from that time his health gradually failed.
Speaker 1: There's a poem written on his tombstone, but by this
Speaker 1: point the weathering is so bad that we really can't
Speaker 1: tell what it says.
Speaker 2: So take that how you want it, right, Did.
Speaker 4: He even have a doctorate? No, did he actually have
Speaker 4: a real doct So they just gave it to him.
Speaker 2: He just kind of said it enough times.
Speaker 1: And this is back in the day and age, where like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna call the university that he claims he's
Speaker 1: from from bumfuck Nowheresville and ask his credentials. He's got
Speaker 1: a paper and it has a really nice logo on
Speaker 1: it and it looks really clean, so like, clearly he's
Speaker 1: got he's got the credentials.
Speaker 2: And if you just say it enough times, then yeah,
Speaker 2: sure he's a doctor of something. Of what I don't
Speaker 2: fucking know. He calls himself doctor. He goes by Parallax.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that was that was the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, John Cena was the doctor of thugnomics. Okay,
Speaker 2: doctor Dre, I imagine that he had a degree y doctor,
Speaker 2: very similar.
Speaker 1: Can y'all imagine a time three hundred years from now
Speaker 1: where somehow people think that doctor Dre had a doctorate
Speaker 1: in acoustics in music, because well, he made a bunch
Speaker 1: of music. He made like best selling albums. The whole
Speaker 1: world knows his name. He went by doctor. He must
Speaker 1: have had a doctorate in something like No, no.
Speaker 2: He's been doing it for more than eight to twelve years.
Speaker 1: So, but he has no credentials to back the claim
Speaker 1: that he's a doctor. It's very very similar to this guy.
Speaker 1: You just say it enough times.
Speaker 3: Dentists are also called doctors though, Yeah, a doctor of
Speaker 3: dental science a DDS. I know, I understand what, I
Speaker 3: understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that, like you.
Speaker 1: Know, Doc Holliday. Doc Holliday was an actual doctor of dentistry.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we had that guy on the show Doc Holiday.
Speaker 2: That's what that's the name. He went by you remember
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Oh speaking of Actually, i'll tell you about this later
Speaker 1: on Scott Pace. I saw him at church today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get the big foot guy back on the show
Speaker 1: here soon. He apparently more things have happened, so like,
Speaker 1: I'm stoked about that.
Speaker 5: But anyway, anyway, yeah, waits in the parish.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I live like four doors down from
Speaker 1: his daughter, and uh, I didn't know he even went
Speaker 1: to my church.
Speaker 2: I saw him this morning. I was like, wait, is
Speaker 2: that Scott Like, I don't let it go.
Speaker 1: It was whatever. I go out, I'm walking my kids
Speaker 1: to the car and he's like Jacob. I'm like, Scott, dude,
Speaker 1: what is up? And we just kind of chopped up
Speaker 1: for a second in the park. I was like, I
Speaker 1: would love to come back on your show, man. I've
Speaker 1: been keeping up with y'all. I would love to come
Speaker 1: back on and talk about some things. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: there more? He's like, Oh, there's so much more.
Speaker 2: I'm like, brother, We're gonna get together someplace else.
Speaker 4: When you guys were chatting the other day about this
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, he probably lives you know where.
Speaker 1: His first bigfoot experience was in Kassachi. National Forest, but
Speaker 1: he lives here. He's got family land out that way
Speaker 1: up and now it's Andrew Area. But now he lived
Speaker 1: in Perryville for show.
Speaker 4: Wait, he's saying that we got Sam's scam stances down here, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, he has them living in his home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here in Prairieville, we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna have one. He'll do a way better job explaining
Speaker 2: it than I could.
Speaker 4: I love Scott so much, can't I can't wait to
Speaker 4: hear this, all.
Speaker 3: Right, dude, Chris Matthew made a whole documentary on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Forbidden Knowledge.
Speaker 3: News, Yeah, which shot out by the way, I just
Speaker 3: went on there earlier today.
Speaker 2: Did you Hell Yeah, he's a Louisiannibal.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and share
Speaker 1: the screen at this time.
Speaker 2: And I got this little clip of a video.
Speaker 1: That I'm gonna pull up that kind of talks about
Speaker 1: his experiment, how went down, and how the people responded
Speaker 1: to it. I think you'll do a lot better job
Speaker 1: of I than I can of explaining. This is from
Speaker 1: Extra History, shout out the YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: So let's learn more about Parallax, the father of what
Speaker 2: we would now call modern flat Earth. Conversation.
Speaker 6: Now, it should be noted that this professed belief of
Speaker 6: Robottoms was weird, though several ancient religions had believed in
Speaker 6: a cosmology that included a flat earth. Philosophers in ancient
Speaker 6: Greece had proved the world was round, and that knowledge
Speaker 6: was widespread in the medieval world and universally accepted by
Speaker 6: the Renaissance, which is part of what gave Robottoms lecture
Speaker 6: such a good hook. See, he lived in a time
Speaker 6: of lectures as entertainment, when a traveling lecturer could make
Speaker 6: a lot of money speaking on a specialized topic like literature, history,
Speaker 6: and especially science. Victorian sensibilities really pushed the idea of
Speaker 6: self betterment through education and mechanics. Institutes sprung up all
Speaker 6: over Britain, offering space to lecturers and courses to educate
Speaker 6: the working classes. Though some of these lecturers were legitimate
Speaker 6: teachers and writers, many were Charlatan's in it for the
Speaker 6: attention and money. In some ways it was the beginning
Speaker 6: of edutainment. And of course, the more eye catching and
Speaker 6: controversial topic, the more you could pack a lecture hall
Speaker 6: for a sixpence or more per seat. Baby like okay,
Speaker 6: maybe you don't believe that the world is flat, But
Speaker 6: isn't it worth it to pay a sixpence to watch
Speaker 6: a guide? Try to convince you of something so nuts? Like, seriously,
Speaker 6: try to imagine a world where people watched pop culture
Speaker 6: versions of academic subjects as mass entertainment. Imagine it? Are
Speaker 6: you imagining it yet? Do you have it in your
Speaker 6: mind's eye? Yeah? Of course it sounds like YouTube, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: This is pretty much like Victorian YouTube we're talking about.
Speaker 6: Robotom's first lecture was covered by the local press, where
Speaker 6: apparently he laid out what would be his consistent arguments
Speaker 6: for the next three decades, namely that the Earth was
Speaker 6: not a globe. It was more like a pizza, with
Speaker 6: the north pole at its center and a big ice
Speaker 6: wall around the outside forming the pizza crust. Also, the
Speaker 6: Earth did not orbit the Sun. Instead, the Sun moved
Speaker 6: in a circular path above the Earth, and the Moon
Speaker 6: was not lit due to its reflection, but because it
Speaker 6: was a self illuminating object. Both were close rather than far,
Speaker 6: with the Sun only four thousand miles from the Earth's surface,
Speaker 6: and the stars were not other suns far away, but
Speaker 6: points of light in the Great vault of Heaven. In fact,
Speaker 6: the Earth was the only planet, and below it were
Speaker 6: the primordial waters mentioned in Genesis before the Earth's creation,
Speaker 6: and the rocking of the Great Plate is what caused
Speaker 6: the tides rather than the Moon's gravitational poll According to Robottom,
Speaker 6: the new time Tonian scientists had it wrong, not due
Speaker 6: to some conspiracy, mind you, but because they were arrogant
Speaker 6: and imaginative and could not prove their theories apart from
Speaker 6: thought experiments. Meanwhile, Robottom's philosophy, which he called zetetic astronomy,
Speaker 6: relied on experiments that anyone could replicate at home. This was,
Speaker 6: of course hogwash. Astronomers of the time had plenty of
Speaker 6: hard evidence to back up their claims, but it often
Speaker 6: relied on math that was difficult for lay people to understand. Ironically,
Speaker 6: Robottom relied on this same weakness to argue for his theories.
Speaker 6: He threw a lot of math and diagrams at his
Speaker 6: audience that were hard to follow or refute, and he
Speaker 6: packaged it all in an anti elite language which would
Speaker 6: appeal to the common audience member. After all, this was
Speaker 6: still very much an era of the gentleman astronomer. Formal
Speaker 6: degrees and even the term science were not yet widely used,
Speaker 6: and the field was basically a playground for the rich,
Speaker 6: upper class men like Newton who didn't have to work
Speaker 6: to support themselves. But he also pushed on another hot
Speaker 6: button topic because wall Robottom jabbed with math diagrams and
Speaker 6: supposed refutations of Newton's view of the world. His right
Speaker 6: hook was that his version of the world lined up
Speaker 6: with Biblical literalism. In his talk, he said astronomers were
Speaker 6: not simply wrong, they were attacking religion by contradicting Biblical teachings.
Speaker 6: Then he closed the presentation with the idea that phosphorus
Speaker 6: could make you immortal. Robotom's first lecture was met with
Speaker 6: good reviews in the local paper, apart from the phosphorus part,
Speaker 6: which was so derided that he never again promoted it
Speaker 6: in a flat earth lecture that, of course, would be
Speaker 6: spun off into its own separate business. Where he ran
Speaker 6: into trouble, however, was at his second lecture in the
Speaker 6: town of Burnley, where during the post lectured debate, someone
Speaker 6: asked him why ships disappeared from the bottom when sailing
Speaker 6: out to sea. At this question, he panicked, then said
Speaker 6: he'd have a good answer in the second part of
Speaker 6: his lecture the next night, and promptly skipped town. The
Speaker 6: local paper then recorded the audience jeering when he didn't
Speaker 6: show up the next day, joking that Parallax had obviously
Speaker 6: slipped off the ice edge of his flat disc and
Speaker 6: would not be seen until he peeped up on the
Speaker 6: other side. By his next outing, he had researched the
Speaker 6: most common counter arguments to his theory and rehearsed quick
Speaker 6: and more importantly, often humorous comebacks to every single one.
Speaker 6: These two were, of course unsupported nonsense, but it was
Speaker 6: the fact that he was entertaining and appeared knowledgeable that
Speaker 6: made him, to a layperson watching, seem like he knew
Speaker 6: more than his opponents. He developed other strategies as well,
Speaker 6: like when questioners pressed him too hard, he'd claim they
Speaker 6: were being selfish and taking up too much time from
Speaker 6: other people who wanted to speak. When he did not
Speaker 6: have a satisfactory answer, he would pivot to a different
Speaker 6: topping entirely, or turn questions around and challenged the questioner
Speaker 6: to name statistics that he'd memorized. He'd asked them to
Speaker 6: prove there wasn't an ice wall and throw out too
Speaker 6: many falsehoods to refute.
Speaker 2: Not real quick.
Speaker 1: If this sounds like any flat Earth talking head that
Speaker 1: you know of, that is because they're literally taking their
Speaker 1: notes from Parallax, just throwing this out, not dropping names,
Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to be that guy here. But
Speaker 1: if you're talking to somebody who's gonna bring up eight
Speaker 1: different points.
Speaker 2: Before you can refute the first point.
Speaker 1: They're bringing up a bunch of statistics and math that
Speaker 1: makes no sense out loud, and then as soon as
Speaker 1: you ask them a solid question, they divert to fifteen
Speaker 1: other points. They're gonna bring in some sort of religion,
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be midlical, it could be any religious
Speaker 1: talking points to try to make their point make more sense.
Speaker 1: All of these things, and they're gonna make it very humorous.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be very likable in nature. They got that
Speaker 1: kind of cult of personality vibe to them. All of
Speaker 1: these things. There's a reason, because of the tried and
Speaker 1: true method that this guy literally professionalized in.
Speaker 3: I'm about to get my alanis more set on and
Speaker 3: get a little ironic up in this bitch.
Speaker 4: H So.
Speaker 3: How about it's funny that he was saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: people that don't believe in the globe Earth are the
Speaker 3: people that are trying to push globe Earth are inherently
Speaker 3: against Christianity, right and so, but at the same time
Speaker 3: he's selling phosphorus, yeah, which literally the Greek named it
Speaker 3: that because it's the light bearer. So it's like so
Speaker 3: ironic that the Christian guy is trying to push lucifer, Right.
Speaker 1: You see that too, and it's it's but that again,
Speaker 1: to your average late person in the early to mid
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, they would have never had that source.
Speaker 2: We have Google.
Speaker 1: We can quickly google everything we're hearing about, right, and
Speaker 1: oil it's literally snake.
Speaker 4: Oil, I know, but and it's snake oil, which you know,
Speaker 4: the snake you know, the whole thing, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole thing. And is liberry, yeah, you know wild
Speaker 4: how that all happens.
Speaker 1: It'd be like that. And again we have Google right here.
Speaker 1: We are in the age of information and disinformation. I
Speaker 1: get that, But we can search every single point that
Speaker 1: is being made here and find a quick answer to
Speaker 1: the people of the early eighteen hundreds, especially the uneducated
Speaker 1: that we're paying to hear these edutainment style lectures. They
Speaker 1: had no source to combat any of this shit. They
Speaker 1: were just asking questions that they thought of, and if
Speaker 1: he gave a reasonable enough answer that sounded like he
Speaker 1: knew what he was talking about, Oh huh, I guess
Speaker 1: I'd answer my question.
Speaker 2: Br br burp. No one really questioned until they did,
Speaker 2: until they're from.
Speaker 3: What I found is that uh, phosphorus and very very
Speaker 3: small amounts of their bones and energy and repair tissues,
Speaker 3: but literally like the most amount you can take as
Speaker 3: an adult. I imagine you got to be a sizeable
Speaker 3: adult to take this. But twelve hundred and fifty milligrams
Speaker 3: he was feeding his children's tablespoons.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, he's just horrible, but he But that's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 1: As far as him being a charlot goes, which I
Speaker 1: do believe he was in a certain regard, I will
Speaker 1: say he absolutely believed in what he.
Speaker 2: Was talking about, at least to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: Otherwise he himself would have been taken this much or
Speaker 1: giving his children this much, although he may not have
Speaker 1: actually given a fuck about his children. That's another option.
Speaker 1: I have no actual basis to go off of on
Speaker 1: that one, but it's it's one of these things you
Speaker 1: see what I mean. It's it's your boy was wild
Speaker 1: and if it wasn't for him. Again, by the early Renaissance,
Speaker 1: everyone not even the educated, every lay person, every random
Speaker 1: farmer knew that the earth was round. So why did
Speaker 1: it become a thing in the eighteen hundreds that became
Speaker 1: the flatter society of the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2: It was because of parallax anyway.
Speaker 3: Just to compare here, the most that a large adult
Speaker 3: can take is two hundred and fifty milligrams of phosphorus.
Speaker 3: A tablespoon is fifteen thousand milligrams.
Speaker 1: He was giving his infant children multiple tablespoonsze Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: tablespoon is like twelve times more than the suggested amount
Speaker 1: for a sizable human.
Speaker 5: And he was claiming killed him on purpose.
Speaker 2: It could be, could be.
Speaker 5: They didn't say they didn't have to feed him.
Speaker 2: But this was his thing.
Speaker 1: Well, he got really wealthy from doing these lectures and
Speaker 1: all these talking points and all these things.
Speaker 2: Regardless of whatever lawsuits he faced, he was able to
Speaker 2: skip town, change his name to one of his other aliases,
Speaker 2: and continue making monet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he it's very possible he purposely killed his children.
Speaker 1: I have no credible evidence to suggest such. But it
Speaker 1: is there is a greater than zero percent chance that
Speaker 1: was actually his plan all along. I can't refute that
Speaker 1: also as far as the possibility goes. But anyway, this
Speaker 1: dude is the only reason we still talk about flatter today.
Speaker 2: But let's continue. I only got a few more minutes
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 6: To mention subtly making fun of Newtonian proofs by using
Speaker 6: words like rotundity to make the idea seem ridiculous. Crucially,
Speaker 6: though through all this nonsense, Robottom was unfailingly polite and
Speaker 6: kept his tone, even which granted him more and more
Speaker 6: authority with the audience as his opponents, who increasingly included
Speaker 6: actual scientists, navigators and sailors, became frustrated and angry as
Speaker 6: he piled on disingenuous arguments. But this growing fame also
Speaker 6: meant that Parallax's opponents leveled up as well. By the
Speaker 6: eighteen sixties, people were writing the Astronomer Royal to get
Speaker 6: refutations of his ideas, and in Greenwich, the center of
Speaker 6: British navigation science and a haven for sailors who had
Speaker 6: actually been to the southern Oceans, they challenged him to
Speaker 6: the experiment at Plymouth. From the start of this episode,
Speaker 6: the stakes were this. The Newtonians argued that with their calculations,
Speaker 6: the lighthouse would be just over the edge of the curvature,
Speaker 6: and with atmospheric ref fraction accounted for, the whole lighthouse
Speaker 6: would be visible from the cliff, but only the lamp
Speaker 6: should be visible from the rocks. Parallax insisted the entire
Speaker 6: lighthouse would be visible from both perspectives, except neither happened
Speaker 6: because atmospheric conditions that day meant that the refraction was
Speaker 6: actually less than normal, meaning only half the lamp was visible. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the lighthouse was actually further obscured by the curvature than
Speaker 6: the Newtonians calculated, and Parallax was more wrong. Despite this,
Speaker 6: Parallax turned to the watching crowd and declared in a
Speaker 6: victorious tone that because the Newtonians had miscalculated clearly, they
Speaker 6: had proved that their models were all faulty and no
Speaker 6: one should trust them. He then went on to publish
Speaker 6: his monumental zodetic astronomy book the next year titled Oh
Speaker 6: give me strengthen, is.
Speaker 2: It real quick? Real quick? Before he reads off this
Speaker 2: very long pamphlet that he posted the next year.
Speaker 1: I already read you at the first place. It was
Speaker 1: called y'all understand what just happened. This is very similar
Speaker 1: to that experiment that certain flat earthers did not dropping names,
Speaker 1: where they went to the desert and shot a laser
Speaker 1: and they were saying, how this laser's three feet off
Speaker 1: the ground. They put the little platform three feet off
Speaker 1: the ground and should hit. Okay, well it didn't. Let's
Speaker 1: raise it a little bit, a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then they finally hit. And when
Speaker 1: you do the math, it shows clearly that the curvature
Speaker 1: of the Earth is exactly what scientists say, like exactly,
Speaker 1: it was literally that. And somehow, the same way the
Speaker 1: flat earthers on that video claimed that this was a
Speaker 1: victory for them somehow is the exact same way Parallax
Speaker 1: claimed that this was a victory for him.
Speaker 2: Because well, you weren't right either, so ha I won.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you missed the entire point at this experiment, clearly,
Speaker 1: but you're doing that to try to save face. And
Speaker 1: I get that because your livelihood is dependent upon you
Speaker 1: having some sort of credibility and you just lost all
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, So Anyway, y'all see where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this. But okay, this long ass pamphlet he published
Speaker 1: the next year is called.
Speaker 6: Tetech Astronomy, The Earth Is Not a Globe, an experimental
Speaker 6: inquiry into the true figure of the Earth, proving it
Speaker 6: a plane without axial or orbital motion and the only
Speaker 6: material world in the universe. Thirty four words to Colin's
Speaker 6: two exclamation points and zero self awareness. It was a
Speaker 6: best seller, and though many copies were likely bought as
Speaker 6: a gag gift, it continues to this day to influence
Speaker 6: the flat Earth movement. Parallax was refuted again and again,
Speaker 6: but he spawned a group of rabid disciples who published
Speaker 6: zetetic magazines, argued on his behalf, and frequently went beyond
Speaker 6: his genial nature to stage personal tax in his name,
Speaker 6: even lawsuits. At other times, he agreed to further quote
Speaker 6: experiments against Newtonians, but developed a strategy where he'd show
Speaker 6: up late, then pull out, claiming that they had breached
Speaker 6: the rules by setting up the equipment without him. While
Speaker 6: he drifted back into pseudoscience medicine, claiming to be a
Speaker 6: doctor again in the eighteen seventies and producing a drink
Speaker 6: called Doctor Burley's Syrup of free Phosphorus, a type of
Speaker 6: early soda, he marketed through zodetic magazines, becoming a rich
Speaker 6: man before his phosphate regiment apparently failed him, and he
Speaker 6: died in eighteen eighty four at the age of sixty eight.
Speaker 6: Eagle eyed viewers will note that is quite a bit
Speaker 6: under immortal. Even in the eighteen fifties, when he left
Speaker 6: his wife to marry the fifteen year old daughter of
Speaker 6: his maid, he was never fully discredited. They had fourteen children,
Speaker 6: only four of which survived to adulthood, possibly, according to
Speaker 6: one account, because he gave them all his own claque medicines. Sadly, however,
Speaker 6: Robottom is not the end of the flat Earth story.
Speaker 2: No he is not.
Speaker 1: And because of this guy we saw the flat Earth
Speaker 1: conversation a day. Also, I didn't mention this. Apparently your
Speaker 1: boy married the fifteen year old daughter of his maid.
Speaker 1: Whenever I said fifteen earlier, I did leave out that
Speaker 1: load detail. So all of this to be said here
Speaker 1: you see how the flat Earth movement grew from this
Speaker 1: and gain legs in and of itself. They have brought
Speaker 1: so many things to light. They really, really, really have.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's not just this one guy.
Speaker 1: The sources he was claiming that he got his information
Speaker 1: from are the same sources of flat earthers today claim
Speaker 1: they're getting their information from, and or people that are
Speaker 1: disciples of his a few decades after his death. All this,
Speaker 1: all this ties in to make it seem really unlikely,
Speaker 1: just all of the stories alone. Forget the science and
Speaker 1: the physics and the math and all these things, just
Speaker 1: the storyline of itself.
Speaker 2: The flat Earth conversation is.
Speaker 1: A dubious proposition at best, but it is still my
Speaker 1: favorite conspiracy theory. It really is is because these people, wholeheartedly,
Speaker 1: deep deep within their heart of hearts, believe this to
Speaker 1: be true, and because of that they are able to
Speaker 1: look at the world through such a different lens, and
Speaker 1: from that they are able to find so many other
Speaker 1: sources to bring about so many other conspiracies. So while
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the flatter of conversation, and I
Speaker 1: think these people are out of their fucking minds, I
Speaker 1: give mad respect to them. I give their their flowers,
Speaker 1: their laurels, whatever kind of respect I can give to
Speaker 1: them to show them that I do not hate them,
Speaker 1: Because I don't you see where I'm going with this?
Speaker 2: Here? This is the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I think ultimately flatter it'sh to me.
Speaker 3: I can't say for everybody else, but to me, it
Speaker 3: was a stepping stone to discovering that this reality is
Speaker 3: not what we thought it was. So I think that
Speaker 3: if you use it for that, then it's okay. It's
Speaker 3: not it and it shouldn't be. I mean, what do
Speaker 3: I know. I'm just coming from my own perspect I
Speaker 3: don't think that it should be a final destination. As
Speaker 3: far as you believe it to be this and don't
Speaker 3: look any farther now, I think you should continue to
Speaker 3: keep your search on.
Speaker 2: So that's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 4: I feel that I think it's I mean, I find
Speaker 4: it to be interesting that this is the father or
Speaker 4: godfather of flat earth conversation.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I think people are going to believe what they want
Speaker 4: to believe, and I think it's an interesting theory and
Speaker 4: I don't mind hearing about it because there's like multiple
Speaker 4: different types of flat earth conversations and I think all
Speaker 4: of them are you know, at this point, who knows
Speaker 4: what actually is, you know, real or not. I think
Speaker 4: it gave at least credence to finding new new wies
Speaker 4: to ask questions.
Speaker 2: So there is that, and there's people out there still
Speaker 2: to this day that are making.
Speaker 1: Their entire livelihoods off of the theory of the flat Earth.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to throw shade at them either
Speaker 1: on a personal level. You know, some of these people
Speaker 1: I know personally. I think they're decent people.
Speaker 2: Some of these people could.
Speaker 1: Very well be in on it, and they know that
Speaker 1: they are peddling bullshit and they're just taking people I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I can't make that assertion from my perspective.
Speaker 1: But yes, the flat earth conversation even and we've talked
Speaker 1: about this too, the very first encyclopedia, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: call it, that was written in seventy AD. He even
Speaker 1: shit on flat earthers in seventy a d.
Speaker 2: Like this has been a known fact.
Speaker 1: Ancient Egypt has hieroglyphic statements being made about how the
Speaker 1: Earth is round. Cuneiform b tablets talk about how the
Speaker 1: Earth is rounds very few scant sources of like whole
Speaker 1: civilizations and cultures that believe that.
Speaker 2: But like your boy Parallax did.
Speaker 1: He leaned more on biblical literalism, as well as the
Speaker 1: disproving of the bourgeoisie academic types to make everybody think,
Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, fuck that smart guy.
Speaker 2: He's hating Jesus. And it's like wait, wait, what fucking what?
Speaker 1: But yes, this is the godfather of the modern Earth
Speaker 1: debate and he was clearly out of his fucking mind.
Speaker 2: But from that has spawned all these other things.
Speaker 1: All this cut to nineteen fifties, a flat Earth society
Speaker 1: was spawned, and it was very, very off the beaten
Speaker 1: path for quite some time.
Speaker 2: Then the Internet became a thing.
Speaker 1: People latched onto it more heavily, and now we have
Speaker 1: certain individuals that believe this to this day. And and
Speaker 1: that's how it goes into the two camps, right.
Speaker 4: There are a lot a lot of people believe in this,
Speaker 4: so a lot of craven different variations of it, which,
Speaker 4: you know what, out of all the things that is happening, cool,
Speaker 4: I mean, why not like I'm doing it doesn't bother
Speaker 4: me at all.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't do this because it bothered me. I said,
Speaker 1: this is actually my favorite conspiracy. But within the flat
Speaker 1: Earth conversation, I've talked about this before, there seems to
Speaker 1: be two camps that form pretty quickly, and there's some
Speaker 1: nuances and there's some like middle ground on this when
Speaker 1: not everybody falls into one of these two camps, but
Speaker 1: the vast majority do. Some fall into the flat earth
Speaker 1: conversation because of their religious dogma, whether that's Christianity, Hinduism, whatever,
Speaker 1: they fall into that category. The other are three questions
Speaker 1: away from acknowledging that Hitler was the good guy in
Speaker 1: World War Two. And I'm just throwing this out. If
Speaker 1: those are your two talking points, then like, clearly we
Speaker 1: have way more conversations about morality and ethics and you know,
Speaker 1: legitimacy of the mind to go before we get to.
Speaker 2: The flat earth conversation.
Speaker 1: But I did think that this was worth bringing up
Speaker 1: as far as us talking about like our favorite conspiracies,
Speaker 1: the flat Earth is clearly my favorite.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be real.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would take somebody believing in flat Earth
Speaker 3: over somebody believing that they're her voice actually makes a
Speaker 3: difference within politics personally.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like the two aren't connected. But
Speaker 2: all right, it's all an illusion, is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: Like the the idea that I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's just my my personal thoughts on politics in general.
Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of talking heads that
Speaker 3: try and push their narrative.
Speaker 2: I was one of them for the longest time.
Speaker 3: And and it's like talking into the wind, I feel like,
Speaker 3: and you're you're kind of caught up in the illusion
Speaker 3: you think that one guy is is better than the
Speaker 3: other guy. Meanwhile, you know later they're probably going bowling
Speaker 3: and drinking some fucking adrenachrome.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's all one big show anyway. Anyway, No,
Speaker 3: I think that that's interesting. I never heard of that
Speaker 3: Parallax character, but it does make a lot of sense
Speaker 3: because a lot of those talking points are exactly how
Speaker 3: a lot of the flat earthers think.
Speaker 2: So good, fine, sir, I felt. So that's all right.
Speaker 2: So we were We're gonna do Raven Lee's.
Speaker 1: Favorite conspiracy as far as the conversation is concerned. But
Speaker 1: some things are going on at her house right now,
Speaker 1: so I guess we're gonna have to.
Speaker 2: Maybe do a part two.
Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe Raven Lee and I will kind of
Speaker 1: handle this one on our own on the next episode.
Speaker 1: You know, who's to say one way or another. But yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: this is uh, this has been a wild ride thus far.
Speaker 2: One thousand episodes, jonpan One thou.
Speaker 3: Wild dude, and we did like nine hundred of them together,
Speaker 3: So nine hundred episodes.
Speaker 2: Me and you, dude. It's been a long time.
Speaker 3: Learned a lot about the nature of our reality, Learned
Speaker 3: a lot about the nature of politics and war and
Speaker 3: all the crazy conspiracies, whether it be onen, cryptids or aliens,
Speaker 3: and got invited to multiple conferences and amazing, amazing run.
Speaker 3: And I'm very thankful to have had you as a
Speaker 3: as a co pilot, sir. It's been a it's been
Speaker 3: a fun ride.
Speaker 2: Oh likewise, dude, And to the people out there that
Speaker 2: think that there's some sort of bad blood or that
Speaker 2: there's some sort of animosity here, there's not there simply isn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, y'all. And I said this.
Speaker 1: I was on TikTok Live the other day, which is
Speaker 1: a thing I do on occasion now because you know,
Speaker 1: life or whatever is America. Well actually even before that,
Speaker 1: I was trying to I'm starting to try to grow
Speaker 1: the socials and do more things and post things and whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, fuck it may
Speaker 1: be going live on Instagram or live on TikTok will
Speaker 1: help grow these things.
Speaker 2: I don't know that for a fact, but I'm trying
Speaker 2: it out. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I consistently get that question, and I've told them all, like, listen,
Speaker 1: what you've heard on the MIC is about as close
Speaker 1: as you and I have ever gotten to actually having
Speaker 1: an altercation. Yeah, like whatever, even whether it was the
Speaker 1: Emerald Tablet's episode or the Christmas episode, there's been episode
Speaker 1: where you and I were button heads, really fucking hard
Speaker 1: as brothers do. That is the closest that you and
Speaker 1: I have I've ever had to an altercation was documented
Speaker 1: and recorded.
Speaker 2: We didn't edit anything out. Well, we actually did night
Speaker 2: and fight once upon a time. That's true me, So
Speaker 2: there's that. That's true.
Speaker 1: God, I forgot we had to strap up in armor
Speaker 1: one time. That shit is harder than it looks.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: I want to get back into it so bad. I
Speaker 1: have gotten lazy. My cardio has gotten completely trashed. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping twenty twenty six will be the year that I
Speaker 1: start to take control of things, and a portion of
Speaker 1: that is going to a couple of tournaments, maybe taking
Speaker 1: a cage fight. Even if it's just an exhibition fight
Speaker 1: or something. I I gots to get back into it, dude,
Speaker 1: it's killing me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel you that it's definitely very important
Speaker 3: to try to get back into shape. I'm rocking more
Speaker 3: chins than a fucking Chinese phone book right now. Come on,
Speaker 3: and it's and it's quite it's quite wild. So either A,
Speaker 3: I gotta grow my beard back, which.
Speaker 2: I why do you keep shaving it, dude? Because I
Speaker 2: can't do the long beard. It just bother me too much.
Speaker 3: So maybe a little bit of scruffle, just enough to
Speaker 3: hide the chins, you know, just enough to give me
Speaker 3: a jawline or something.
Speaker 2: Just don't do the chin strap beard please that No, that.
Speaker 3: Would make it more obvious that I'm rocking up fucking
Speaker 3: thruptle chins or whatever.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, I'm not doing that. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's uh yeah, we definitely got to get back in shape.
Speaker 2: I know, I do. I mean I haven't.
Speaker 1: My cardio is shit and I've gained about twenty pounds
Speaker 1: that I didn't need to gain.
Speaker 2: Like that's real shit. But I'm not. I'm not as
Speaker 2: chubby as I once was, that's for damn sure. I
Speaker 2: got up.
Speaker 1: I got up to like two thirty one point, which
Speaker 1: from my frame is I was a little puffy, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that's also on camera, so yeah.
Speaker 3: That's also OG episodes. Jacob used to be a little
Speaker 3: porky back in the day.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 1: God I was, and then I started dropping away like crazy,
Speaker 1: and now I've got that equilibrium. But now I need
Speaker 1: to like I need to get healthy. It's not about maintaining,
Speaker 1: it's about being healthy.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's it has been such a ride to get
Speaker 1: to this point. We went from a hobby to a
Speaker 1: side hustle, to a main hustle, to a new career
Speaker 1: to a not a split a shift, and I mean
Speaker 1: everything is full tilt. Everything is green lights all the
Speaker 1: way through, and it's it's beautiful. It's insane. Like I
Speaker 1: try explaining to people, dude, I got called for jury
Speaker 1: the other day and which sucked and explaining whenever they
Speaker 1: you know, the judge is asking your name, your marital status,
Speaker 1: how many kids you have?
Speaker 2: Uh, where you employed? Whatever?
Speaker 1: I straight with a straight face, was like, uh, you know, Jacob,
Speaker 1: I'm from Prayerville, got three kids. Bye bye, Bob, I'm
Speaker 1: a professional conspiracy theorist, Like, I'm sorry, what is that?
Speaker 2: Ico? Stay conspiracy? Because fuck him?
Speaker 1: I didn't want jury duty. Good god, No, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna let me be a part of the jury. No,
Speaker 1: And then they started asking questions about how I felt
Speaker 1: about morality and things. They did not like my answers
Speaker 1: what soever, because fuck them, it's so stupid.
Speaker 2: She would have just told them, yeah, Hitler was the
Speaker 2: good guy.
Speaker 1: No, oh my god, no, because I'm the other half
Speaker 1: of my group was not white, and that wouldn't have gone. Well,
Speaker 1: I live in this town, you know. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a decent chance I'm gonna see some of these people again. Hell,
Speaker 1: I knew a couple other people on the jury with me.
Speaker 1: But like, no, I'm good. I just yeah, well, so
Speaker 1: if somebody walks up to you and slaps you, you
Speaker 1: can you can get them tried for that because you're
Speaker 1: a witness. I'm like, yeah, but it's a he said
Speaker 1: versus she said? At that point, what makes one witness
Speaker 1: more credible than another?
Speaker 2: The judge. I wasn't trying to be combative. I was genuinely.
Speaker 1: Asking, like, are we they're bringing up a witness here?
Speaker 1: And like and if this witness has a felony pass,
Speaker 1: does that matter to you? And I'm like, I mean, no,
Speaker 1: people can change. Just because somebody has spent time in
Speaker 1: jail doesn't mean that they're a non credible witness. But also, like,
Speaker 1: how good is this witness? Was it at night? Were
Speaker 1: they three hundred yards away or were they ten feet away?
Speaker 1: Do they have any stake in this game? Do they
Speaker 1: know the person to know the defendant? Do they know
Speaker 1: the person that was hurt? Do they like there's so
Speaker 1: many nuances to this and the whole time, you saw
Speaker 1: the judge roll his eyes and I'm just like, good, good.
Speaker 3: I think that that would make you a better person
Speaker 3: on the stand then by asking and being inquisitive, That's
Speaker 3: what I would think.
Speaker 1: But that's not what I want this fucking guy up there.
Speaker 1: But that's not what the lawyers want. The lawyers want
Speaker 1: non partial people that are gonna get in and get
Speaker 1: out and of the list they had, no man, that's it.
Speaker 1: They want these people to be yay or nay.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about let's not deliberate for a week
Speaker 1: on this dude's guilty or innocent verdict.
Speaker 2: We need somebody who's gonna get this.
Speaker 1: Wrapped up by this weekend, and I was clearly not
Speaker 1: that guy, which good.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you're talking about somebody who potentially or allegedly murdered somebody.
Speaker 3: It's a huge decision. You'd think that you'd want as
Speaker 3: many details as you possibly can, but that's not how
Speaker 3: the system works.
Speaker 2: If you have a fucking witness, then why do you
Speaker 2: need a jury? What is this?
Speaker 1: This should be a sentencing, this is not. And then
Speaker 1: you know, anyway, I'm not gonna talk about it whatever,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just saying whenever I tell people what
Speaker 1: I do for work, they look at me.
Speaker 2: Half of them look at me like I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: The other half of me look at me like I
Speaker 1: like they they're jealous, almost like what no way, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I I wish I could explain how
Speaker 1: I got to this point, but here we are, you know,
Speaker 1: And to be honest, this wouldn't have happened if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for you.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, I don't think that it wouldn't have It
Speaker 3: would have gotten to the point where it is without
Speaker 3: both of our minds coming together. And it's never it's
Speaker 3: never been an echo chamber it's it's always been you know,
Speaker 3: my mind versus your mind on a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And sometimes that gets a little annoying. And sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: tempers flair or whatever. That's okay, that's hum that's our
Speaker 3: humanness is coming out right. Like that is the level
Speaker 3: of close that we are, you know, we're we're able
Speaker 3: to be vulnerable with our thoughts and our feelings in
Speaker 3: ours for over nine hundred fucking episodes together. And and
Speaker 3: I think that that's what people liked. I think that
Speaker 3: they liked the realness. They liked, you know, just it
Speaker 3: wasn't fake. And there are a lot of fakesters out
Speaker 3: there today and a lot of people that are not
Speaker 3: necessarily doing it for the right reasons. And I felt
Speaker 3: like we always came about it with you know, for
Speaker 3: the right reasons. We were genuinely curious. We did so
Speaker 3: much research. I mean, yeah, we've done nine hundred episodes,
Speaker 3: probably on average anywhere between two and three hours each.
Speaker 2: Initially I think we're doing one.
Speaker 3: Hour shows, but let's just say that it was on
Speaker 3: average two hours per show. That's two hours of us
Speaker 3: talking about the notes that probably took us six to
Speaker 3: eight to gather for that show. So it's a lot
Speaker 3: of time that we've devoted to this show, and I'm
Speaker 3: just happy that many other people out there that listen
Speaker 3: to the show have appreciated it enough to follow us
Speaker 3: along on this journey.
Speaker 2: Oh agreed.
Speaker 1: And again, I know that I might be biased here,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that Raven Lee is an excellent
Speaker 1: new host. She's an excellent new talking point and a
Speaker 1: new perspective to what you and I started and ran
Speaker 1: with for so long. I don't think the show is
Speaker 1: taking a step down by any means. I think it's
Speaker 1: more or less been a lateral move.
Speaker 2: Has she been pushing back on anything that you say?
Speaker 2: Some some things?
Speaker 1: Yes, some things though, but she and I also have
Speaker 1: a lot of very similar vantage points on certain things.
Speaker 1: We have very different vantage points on other things. She
Speaker 1: is big with the environment. I am big with heavy industry,
Speaker 1: and sometimes those opinions conflict a little bit. I'm big
Speaker 1: with my Christianity. She is not a Christian by any
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. Sometimes those points conflict. But we
Speaker 1: very rarely get into a religious debate. We very rarely
Speaker 1: get into a political debate. It's more or less like,
Speaker 1: let's just talk it out. Let's let me hear what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Let me see if maybe I can
Speaker 1: shift my view a little bit. Let's see if I
Speaker 1: could shift your view a little bit bit. And again,
Speaker 1: I don't think that the show has gone down as
Speaker 1: far as quality goes, and I don't think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's a higher caliber show, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: a better show.
Speaker 2: If anything, it's a lateral move. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's now I disagree. I think that it's gotten far
Speaker 3: and above much better. She She's a great addition to
Speaker 3: the show. And you know, I think that after a while,
Speaker 3: things will things naturally tend to plateau no matter what
Speaker 3: it is like, it doesn't matter. Think about like your
Speaker 3: favorite TV show of all time at one point was
Speaker 3: the Alpine of all fucking TV shows out there. But
Speaker 3: it reached that point. And I feel like we reached
Speaker 3: our point, and not to say that we couldn't have
Speaker 3: reached multiple points and exceeded expectations and you know, not
Speaker 3: been stunted by any perceived plateaus or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But I think that what Raven has done.
Speaker 3: To the show is that she has blasted through that
Speaker 3: that firmament that glass ceiling and has taken to the
Speaker 3: next level. I think that she's a fantastic addition to
Speaker 3: the show. And you guys going back and forth actually
Speaker 3: remind me a lot of us going back and forth,
Speaker 3: you know, just very inquisitive, very curious by nature. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's what makes for a good show, I think.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, although Ravenlee could not finish out this episode
Speaker 1: with us, she's got some stuff going on at her
Speaker 1: house at this moment, and so it's all good.
Speaker 2: Jonathan and I can wrap it up.
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Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, it has become way more than a project.
Speaker 3: It has become a lifestyle and the people are finding
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Speaker 3: actually a lot here lately with just the sheer amount
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Speaker 3: amazing Mark his name is the mirror on social media
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Speaker 3: out there that are searching for the truth about the
Speaker 3: nature of reality and all of the magic that it encompasses.
Speaker 3: So if you're interested, if you are you know, kind
Speaker 3: of open minded as far as your spiritual beliefs out there,
Speaker 3: then we welcome you over there. I promise you. We
Speaker 3: are not calling on demons. We've had, not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: We've had a couple of you know, people the mess
Speaker 3: around with demons and then Satanism and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The only reason we have them, though, is to try
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Speaker 2: You know, about how it works and just trying to
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Speaker 3: Never would I ever get myself involved in blood letting
Speaker 3: or any of that other shit. It's just a genuine curiosity,
Speaker 3: that's all. And but yeah, we we have a bunch
Speaker 3: of wild stuff.
Speaker 2: Going on over there.
Speaker 3: Psychics magicians, which is esotericists. The list goes on and on,
Speaker 3: and that is not even including the shows that me
Speaker 3: and Sean like to bring to the table. And as
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, our next show is going to be
Speaker 3: on breaking down the esotericism within all of your old
Speaker 3: favorite fairy tales out there. So it's just it's just
Speaker 3: gotten pretty wild and ramped up here a lot lately.
Speaker 3: So if you're interested in that kind of stuff, come
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Speaker 3: also have one episode per week that goes up on YouTube.
Speaker 3: We only put one up there because I played the
Speaker 3: YouTube game with the cult before got taken down four
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Speaker 3: it's been a fucking fun ride. And I don't think
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Speaker 1: Oh god, no, If anything, we're putting our foot on
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