WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.919 It might be time that we retire the bit. 2 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:05.400 It might be time because it started out as a 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:07.759 funny thing, and I know Zach is going to come 4 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.320 on and pretend that he likes pit Pull. But Zach 5 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:12.640 has been traveling, He's been busy. If you follow him 6 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.480 on Instagram, he's been doing a bunch of things. So 7 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:16.760 we haven't had him on for a while. And now 8 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.440 I'm just remembering that the bit just ruins my day. 9 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:22.160 I think it's time that we retire the pit bull 10 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:24.679 a bit because you think that, well, Zach doesn't really 11 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:26.559 like him. He's gonna come on and pretend that he does, 12 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:28.839 but there's no way like in reality, he actually does. 13 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:31.600 We'll leave it up to him. It's his walk up song, 14 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:35.079 Zach off Air, how often are you rocking pit Pull? 15 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.840 Every day? Then? He has at least four songs in 16 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.159 My Favorite Songs playlist on Spotify. 17 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.840 Do you feel me? Do you feel okay about yourself 18 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:46.399 when you come on? 19 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:46.719 Aaron? 20 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:47.560 Just lie like this? 21 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.640 You're lying, iereat I feel great about myself. I feel 22 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:52.439 great about myself when I tell the truth about mister 23 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:56.600 three h five, mister Worldwide. You're tapping your toe. I know, 24 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.119 like I can't see you. And that's why you feel 25 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.159 comfortable lying about this. It's a bit for you to 26 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.079 be like, Oh, I don't like pitbull. I know it's 27 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.239 in your car. I know it's I know it's on 28 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:07.359 your on your pill at home. 29 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.920 Come on, it's very much not. But how you been, man, 30 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:11.879 it's been a while. Tell us give us an up date. 31 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:12.879 You've been all over the place. 32 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:19.200 I've been good. I feel like, Uh, there's been a 33 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.000 how do I put this, there's been a pregnancy with 34 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.799 my schedule. I don't mean that it's like a I 35 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:29.400 just that there is. It's my schedule is growing constantly 36 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.680 and I'm just waiting for that to to just explode 37 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.040 and just not have that anymore. And I feel like 38 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.640 now that we're down to one game a night, I 39 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.040 feel like that birth has happened. 40 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:44.640 So your water has broken. You're no longer traveling broken? 41 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.480 Yeah, Like it's just like now I'm like, I'm like, 42 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:49.120 what do I even do with my time? Now? There 43 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.359 one game a night, one game a night. I feel 44 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.359 like I don't even have a job anymore. This is incredible. 45 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:54.640 Where are you right now? 46 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:59.319 I'm in my apartment. This is crazy. I just been 47 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.000 a week in a norns and trying to do my 48 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.480 job and have fun at the same time was insane. 49 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.439 Did you behave yourself even kind of? 50 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.560 I mean yeah, I mean I got my work done. 51 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.439 Okay, that's all that matters. As long as you get 52 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.560 the work done, you can do whatever you want, all. 53 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.879 Right, Zach, We got to start here. The lottery's rigged. 54 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.280 Everyone hates utah, no one loves jazz. Okay, So the 55 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.080 fixes and what's going on? Man? 56 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:21.840 How do we fix this? 57 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:27.960 Uh? Well my my My solution is simple. Is one 58 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:34.080 one we we we we lament tanking all year, right 59 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.159 or at least half the year, or like this is bad, 60 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.159 this is a bad it's bad for the product. And 61 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.599 then the teams that tank don't get rewarded the last 62 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.280 at least the last three years, and they're like, well, 63 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.039 this is this is unfair. They did all this tanking, 64 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.319 then you get rewarded and that's not that's not how 65 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.400 that's supposed to go. So to eliminate tanking and to 66 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.080 make this a more fair process, just it's a it's 67 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.639 an unwined lottery one and fourteen chance you miss a 68 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.639 playoff one fourteen. That way, there's no incentive to be 69 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.840 as bad as the Wizards and the Jazz and the 70 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.360 Hornets were this year. And in order to kind of 71 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.400 try to stack the odds in your favor, is you know, 72 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:17.319 to get that fourteen percent one in fourteen, like I just, 73 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.520 I think it's a simple solution. I will never believe 74 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.080 that teams are going to tank out of the playoffs 75 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.439 in order to get a one in fourteen chance at 76 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:28.280 the number one pick, Like I just, I think that 77 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:35.759 is so ridiculous and fails to understand how NBA teams operate. 78 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.240 And I think it will bring a better product to 79 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.479 the to the last couple months of the season. 80 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.560 Certainly, well while we're in the space, even though I 81 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.120 am risking insulting your intelligence, and I find the conversation 82 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:52.240 intellectually embarrassing. We do live in the modern day and 83 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.159 age where if your guy doesn't win an election, you 84 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.560 cry that it's stolen and you storm the capitol. And 85 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.800 if your guy, if your team, if your team, I mean, 86 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.680 I'm not saying it's not I mean, let's be clear, 87 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:04.960 I'm not saying that wasn't the right thing to do. 88 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.159 I'm just painting a picture. If your team didn't win, 89 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.759 the ref got paid. If your kid doesn't make the team, 90 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.800 the coach doesn't like you, Like, we cannot take l's 91 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.920 in our society. So I am doing radio in a 92 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.399 city full of people that believe this thing is rigged. 93 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.600 Can you help us understand why it very much is not? 94 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.040 Well? I mean, look, I can't be certain that it's not. 95 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:27.199 I do know that there. 96 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.920 Are you don't know what you just did. Oh no, hey, Porter, 97 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.560 shut the tax line down. I don't want to hear 98 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:34.160 from anybody. 99 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.639 Oh I know. All I know is that I know 100 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:41.120 several people that were in the room that that the 101 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.399 lottery happened in. They believe it's on the up and up. 102 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.560 They watched it, they experienced it. I got to take 103 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.360 their work for it. I don't think that, you know, 104 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.480 maybe we should check their bank accounts, but I don't 105 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.240 think that, you know, there was some large sum of 106 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:57.000 money or some you know, unmarked bills and a Duffel 107 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.800 bag given to them. Like I like, we've had this 108 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.079 process viewed by the media for a long time, and 109 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.319 they write about it, they talk about it every year, 110 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.879 and so you know, based on on knowing that, you know, 111 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:11.600 I maybe I need to see it myself, but I 112 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.600 feel like I feel like at this point, it's it 113 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:20.360 seems it seems like pretty hard to rig. At the 114 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.920 same time, there are some very coincidental, you know, moments 115 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:30.800 in this lottery history that seem hilariously you know, pointed 116 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.319 in one direction. I think it's I think it's funny. 117 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.120 It also doesn't affect me negatively, so it's easy for 118 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:38.199 me to find it funny. I understand why certain fan 119 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:43.079 bases are upset. I just, man, it's hard to imagine 120 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:48.759 you could rig that. But you know, everything's rigged these 121 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:51.000 days if it doesn't go your way, like you said. 122 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.240 Well, if I could speak for jazz fans, I just 123 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:54.920 was hoping Mike Pence would do the right thing. 124 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:55.839 That's where I'm at with it. 125 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:01.120 I mean, look, I think maybe he should be in 126 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:02.000 the room for the lottery. 127 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:03.839 Yeah, I mean, I'm an idea. 128 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:04.040 Man. 129 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:04.839 Look, here's the deal. 130 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.879 The one team that could not win the thing to 131 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.959 not inspire conspiracy theories won the thing. 132 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:13.759 Like that's that's that's what. 133 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:18.600 Happens for sure. And we had the same thing with 134 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.040 New Orleans twice, right with the Anthony Davis draft and 135 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.920 the Zion Williamson draft, and you know Cleveland wins it 136 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.360 the year Lebron leaves, Like I mean, look, you have 137 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:33.519 these moments where it does seem awfully coincidental Lebron, you know, 138 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.680 the Lebron Draft, when you know Cleveland gets the number 139 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.399 one pick, the Chicago gets it, when Derrick Rose is uilable, Like, yes, 140 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.000 there are times where it seems impossible for this stuff 141 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.319 to happen, and and you can point towards whatever, like 142 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.439 it feels like those things where if you want to 143 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.839 believe it, you can find a way to twist it right. 144 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.480 It is so funny. I mean I was doing I 145 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.199 was doing a you know, video or something for the 146 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.240 athletic and we're doing this thing of like the best 147 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.160 like who I wanted to see when the lottery and 148 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:08.839 who I didn't want to see when the lottery of this, 149 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.480 and I almost put in the top five of teams 150 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.399 I want to see the lottery Dallas, And then I thought, 151 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.480 now that's ridiculous, sense that could happen. And then of course, 152 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:18.680 like as it gets down to there in the top four, 153 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.600 I thought, oh my god, like they won this thing 154 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.040 before I even saw the top like who won? Who 155 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.879 was positioned in the top four, you just knew, like, 156 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.879 of course they won this, like it's it's too funny. Well, 157 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.879 I guess it's not funny to a few fan bases, 158 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:33.439 but to me, it was too funny for it not 159 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:34.240 to be them. 160 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.480 Yeah, and for comedic purposes, not just Dallas at one, 161 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.560 but the freaking Spurs it too, like give me a break? 162 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:41.800 Bad? 163 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.560 But all right, would it have been what do you 164 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.759 would it have mattered? But I mean, I guess Jazz 165 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.199 fans getting getting fifth like it sucks no matter what. 166 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:56.199 But would they have felt better if it was the 167 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:58.560 Spurs at one in Dallas at two or it doesn't matter. 168 00:07:58.839 --> 00:07:59.800 I don't think it matters. 169 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.639 I mean, as much as it's stinging folks around here 170 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.439 that the Jazz fall to five. The other thing that 171 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.399 you look at is you're already if you're the Jazz, 172 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:12.199 you're already a mile behind OKC. You're already a mile 173 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:14.839 behind even Houston and all the You know, you're a 174 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:16.720 mile behind most of the teams in the West, but 175 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.480 maybe some of the other teams are within shouting distance. Now, 176 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.040 two of your Western Conference piers will will add two 177 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.079 really good players to two rosters that already have a 178 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.839 lot of really good players on them. 179 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.079 Yeah, and that I mean that's fair. I mean I 180 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.480 think the good news and maybe this is being mean, 181 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:34.320 but like the good news is like you get out 182 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:38.159 of the Ace Bailey situation, right, we think Like I 183 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.759 think that, like, if you finish in that top two 184 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.080 or three, you probably end up having to take him 185 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.360 if you don't get the number one pick. And so 186 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.559 maybe you, like I everything you read about and see 187 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.840 about him, like it just seems like that's a guy 188 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.480 like you kind of have to take in that zone. 189 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.000 But I don't think he'll fallow. I mean, maybe we'll 190 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.279 fall the five. I don't know. He just measured it 191 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:57.759 like six seven. Yeah. I thought he was six to 192 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:58.519 ten this whole time. 193 00:08:58.840 --> 00:08:59.159 Yeah. 194 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.759 And if you fall I mean, maybe you view that 195 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:04.840 as a win. Yeah, I think you do. 196 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.159 I mean unless you fall in. I mean, look, you 197 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:07.480 know the. 198 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.120 Deal around here, folks are like, well, we can't get 199 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.360 Cooper Flax, so let's get Conkinepple. It's like, let's not 200 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.759 just do the best white guy possible, maybe get the 201 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:14.320 best player. 202 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.679 Who do you think? Who do you think is realistic 203 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:17.039 at five? 204 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.519 Though? It's a good question, Like, I mean the contint 205 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.080 thing is like, yeah, like you could get a six 206 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.639 five guy who plays like a six to one Like like, 207 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.039 I like, he's good, he's skilled, but he plays so small. Yeah, 208 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.200 I like, I don't understand the draw of a guy 209 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.000 who plays so small for for what his height actually is. 210 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:44.559 I mean, I guess in the five range, like I've 211 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.600 seen Trey Johnson, Like, I think Trey Johnson's really good, 212 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:49.840 Like I don't. I don't think you want Derek Queen. 213 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.559 I definitely don't think you want Conkiniple. I don't think 214 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.559 Jeremiah Fears is like the right guy there. I'm a 215 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.600 big Now you watch guy, like, I think there's so 216 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.639 much potential there. And I know you have Walker Kessler 217 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.200 as the center, but like, I just think that there 218 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.440 is so much raw potential there and it's not like, oh, 219 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.919 you've got to teach this guy's skill. He has great touch, 220 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.440 he has great feel for the game. He's a good defender, 221 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.360 he's a good rebounder, he's a good offensive player. His 222 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.360 teammates rave about him, Like, I think that that is 223 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.320 the guy with the highest upside outside of Cooper Flag 224 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:25.080 and Dylan Harper. Now he may not reach that, but 225 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.279 if your whole organization for a decade plus has been 226 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:30.600 about we get guys and we developed them, and we 227 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.399 bring that out of him. To me, that's the guy 228 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:33.960 to develop. 229 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.360 Yeah, it's it's an intriguing point. And yeah, the Walker 230 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.360 stuff might be a little bit redundant. But I wonder 231 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.960 if you think the Jazz have what it takes to 232 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.960 I don't think it, you know, And even Tim McMahon 233 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.960 reported this week that the ownership in Dallas has handed 234 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.559 the edict down, like Nico, you're not allowed to trade it. Okay, 235 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.039 we are keeping it and we are drafting Cooper Flag, 236 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.320 So stay out of the room. But do you think 237 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:03.120 there's any world where san Antonio looks at Daron Fox 238 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.759 and Stefan Castle and says, Dylan Harper is a little 239 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.120 redundant and maybe somebody can grab number two. Do you 240 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.080 think the Jash get involved in something like that. 241 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:14.200 I think they absolutely absolutely should. I mean, I think 242 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.159 with their with their you know, kind of treasure trove 243 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.080 of picks and their young guys, and even I mean, 244 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:25.360 if I'm I know, this sounds maybe a little ridiculous, 245 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:29.720 or maybe it doesn't. I don't know, if I'm Utah, 246 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.279 maybe this isn't getting enough back, and you've got to 247 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.200 figure out a way. I would dangle out Larry marka 248 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.840 then like hey you want this guy next to Wenby. 249 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.480 Here's a shooter that will spread the floor. We got 250 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:42.879 we go get the number two bad and you really 251 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.320 start like, all right, you believe in Dylan Harper, Like 252 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.960 I mean, look, I know the marketing and everything. Dylan 253 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.360 Harper is way better than Isaiah Collier and can't George 254 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.320 just went way better, way better, right, Like you don't 255 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.000 have to do that thing anymore where it's like, oh, 256 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.200 you pass John Stockton's record, like like he's legit, He's 257 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.879 a legit point guard prospect, and so like you need 258 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:05.799 more back than just the number two pick. Lowry is 259 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.840 obviously awesome, but like you maybe have to get aggressive 260 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:12.320 in that. And since you're now accepting that you're in 261 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.559 a rebuild one year into a three year rebuild, now 262 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.840 you can actually lean into it and and go get 263 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.600 whatever that is and maybe bring in you know, whether 264 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.360 that's a Kelton Johnson, maybe it's maybe you. I mean, 265 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.000 I don't know if they would do two and Stephan Castle, 266 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.320 like that seems aggressive. I don't think they would do that, 267 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.600 but like you, they have a lot of pieces that 268 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.080 you can go get and maybe get involved in three 269 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.240 seen deals. Like I just I think there, I think 270 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.720 it would make sense for the Jazz to be very 271 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.759 aggressive with trying to go grab a higher pick in 272 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.960 this while still holding on to the to the fifth 273 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:46.519 pick where you can still get a very good player. 274 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.519 Yeah, I think I think one of the main issues 275 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.279 that you could run into there is san Antonio could 276 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.840 probably get a lot for two, right and do they 277 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:58.080 write you know, do. 278 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:58.600 They do they? 279 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.120 And look, Lowry's really good. So I'm not trying to 280 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.519 disparage litar marketing. But you call san Antonio and you 281 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.000 offer them five in marketing for two they also have fourteen, 282 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.159 You get a late lottery pick and maybe a piece 283 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.000 from them, and then you reset and you start over 284 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.360 with a legitimate piece because they're not going to be 285 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:17.799 able to get to one to get Cooper Flag. I 286 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:19.679 have all these friends like, hey, they should trade to one, 287 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:21.519 they should trade up to one and get Flag. I'm like, 288 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.399 they should do that, but you need two people to 289 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.600 agree to such transactions. So could you get two and 290 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:31.600 fourteen and a piece from san Antonio for five in marketing, 291 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.639 or could san Antonio get a lot more than that 292 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.440 for two because so many people love doing Yeah, I. 293 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.159 Just I don't know if I just don't know if 294 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:42.960 you need to include five, Like I don't know that 295 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.759 those players are going to be out on the market. 296 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.159 Like I know there's the talk of Kevin Durant. Do 297 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.320 we know that they want to go sell a bunch 298 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.000 of assets for a couple of years of Kevin Durant? 299 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.759 I don't think that doesn't seem like the move that 300 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.279 they would do, Like, you know, for what we know 301 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.639 about that organization, I don't really believe that Giannis is 302 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.679 going to be on the table. I don't really believe 303 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:08.200 that Booker is going to be on the table. Like 304 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.559 if we're starting to look at you know, star and 305 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:12.200 maybe I'm wrong about all that stuff, but if we're 306 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.440 starting to look at like stars who could be available, 307 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:19.080 you know, a player like marketing might be as good 308 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:20.519 as a gift. Now, it doesn't mean you have to 309 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.639 make a trade if you're if you're San Antonio, but 310 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.440 I don't I don't know that you have to if 311 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.440 I'm Utah, I'm not really dangling that fifth pick in 312 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.799 that trade unless it is a very aggressive trade market. 313 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.480 They do have all these teams throwing that in, and 314 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.080 then you do have to include. 315 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:39.240 That, do you think. I mean? 316 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.320 Look, I would sound like the biggest hypocrite in the 317 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.679 world if I sat here and said, man, there was 318 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.519 the wrong approach this year to intentionally lose because I 319 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.919 believed it was the right thing to do, and I 320 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.960 believed it was the right thing to do when women 321 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.639 Yama was available. After you move on from Mitchell and Gobert, 322 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.480 but I also have to acknowledge at this point that 323 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.240 since the odds were flattened in twenty nineteen, literally zero 324 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.960 of the teams that the Jazz that did what the 325 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.639 Jazz tried to do this year have been rewarded with 326 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.240 the number one overall pick. Tim Bontemps had a piece 327 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.639 up on the dot com for ESPN citing a number 328 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.000 of different front office executives that all seem to be 329 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.039 in lockstep that they're glad that the Jazz and the 330 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.399 Wizards were not rewarded for having a lack of integrity 331 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.200 of trying to build a team that actually competes for real? 332 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.200 Are we moving into a space where you no longer 333 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.679 want to lose intentionally, even though in a city like 334 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.720 Saul Lake, it does feel like the only way to 335 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.320 get a Cooper flag or a generational piece is to 336 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:38.879 have the top one or two picks in the draft. 337 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:40.720 You know, it's interesting to consider. 338 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:45.360 The vote for flattening the odds was twenty nine to one, 339 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.000 and the one dissenting vote was Sam Presting in Oklahoma 340 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.039 City because his point was, we're in Oklahoma City, Like, 341 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.039 it's not easy to get stars here. Obviously they've done it, 342 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.919 But does the approach change at some point now that 343 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.240 the data is in that losing intentionally guarantees you nothing. 344 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.600 I mean it guarantees you nothing. But did anybody watch 345 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.519 that twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three's first team. They 346 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:09.440 were pretty terrible. 347 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.279 They were worked out for them. 348 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.600 Yeah, they weren't the worst, but I mean no, Like, 349 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:16.919 the process is the process. Not to go off Sam 350 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.919 Hanky on it, you know, but like the process is 351 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.799 the process. Like it it is still the best avenue 352 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.840 towards getting one of those guys in the draft. Just 353 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.360 because it hasn't worked the last three years in terms 354 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.600 of the worst team getting that doesn't mean the other 355 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.919 teams who have tried you know, have tried to to 356 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.759 to tank and improve their position. I mean, Washington was 357 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.440 terrible last year they had with the two pick, you know, 358 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.080 Like I mean this year, it was a it was 359 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:51.000 a high profile class and you had two good teams. Well, 360 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.240 I mean san Antoni wasn't good, but they were supposed 361 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.320 to be good, right, and because Wendy's injury and everything, 362 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.639 but you had two good teams or you know, supposedly 363 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.960 good team with a lot of talent end up at 364 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.960 the top of the draft. I still believe, Like to me, 365 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.119 this is this is reminiscent of like a few years ago, 366 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:09.759 all of a sudden, it was like, hey, I don't 367 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.119 know if you want a Big three, you know, I 368 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.559 don't know if teams want three superstars instead of two 369 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.839 super superstars. And this was before the CBA got changed everything. 370 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.000 It's like, no, they want as many stars as they 371 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.559 can get, like they like this. We can sometimes overthink 372 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.799 this stuff because of the results. The process is still 373 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.960 to get the best odds in your favor. And so 374 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.359 until they change it, I still believe that's going to happen. 375 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.640 Like if if I'm going to butcher the kid's name, 376 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:37.559 but the you know, aj the kid for that's going 377 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.640 to BYU. If he is, you know, the one everyone 378 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.000 tanks for next year, and one of those teams tanks 379 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.839 and gets him, it's just going to reinforce the tanking process. 380 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.519 Like unless the NBA truly is rigging this thing to 381 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.799 get the non tanking teams to to get that top 382 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.880 pick to dissuade, you know, anyone from from trying this process, 383 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.319 Like that's that's the only thing that's going to make 384 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.279 that painting option not actually look attractive. 385 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.119 Yeah, And obviously the reaction this week is President of 386 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.640 the moment with what happened Monday night. But what what 387 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.000 what does Philly do at three? I mean we've talked 388 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.960 Dallas and San Antonio. I mean, technically, they have two 389 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.839 really good players that I'm gonna say went healthy because 390 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.759 you have to are still kind of game changers. Do 391 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:24.799 you do you think they could move that pick to 392 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.640 try to get Embiid and Paul George and MAXI veteran 393 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.920 help or have they seen enough that these dudes just 394 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:31.960 don't stay healthy and we've got to move on. 395 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.000 Yeah? I don't think they move on. I think they're 396 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.039 kind of pot committed, at least for another year because 397 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.119 who I mean, who knows what you know, what operations 398 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.960 or procedures that they'll they'll hope work on embiid for 399 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.400 getting him ready for next playoffs. But yeah, I mean 400 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.920 it's a it's a weird position because they can't get 401 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.480