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Speaker 1: What if an object visiting our Solar System is defying well,

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basically every known law of physics we associate with its class,

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not just bending the rules, but kind of shattering them entirely.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: And what if at the very moment we were meant

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to capture its clearest, you know, high resolution images, the

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doors to our global observatory suddenly closed, leaving us with

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this cosmic mystery wrapped in let's say, political inconvenience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty good way to frame it. A

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huge puzzle, right when we need in clarity most.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this. We've been given a truly

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fascinating stack of reports and data concerning the third known

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interstellar visitor to pass through our Solar System. It's a

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celestial body designated three I Atlas.

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Speaker 2: And it's important to stress this isn't just you know,

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another space rock wandering in from deep space.

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Speaker 1: Right, this object has become a real lightning rod for

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scientific frustration and frankly, some pretty extraordinary speculation, because the

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data we do have paints a portrait of something that well,

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it just shouldn't exist according to our models. So our

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mission today is to sift through the facts, the strange

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observational data, and some truly wild theories surrounding this massive object.

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We need to figure out in as much detail as

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we can why three iat lists earned this highly anomalous

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reputation and why it's a rival.

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Speaker 2: Has the scientific community really debating physics versus well versus intention?

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Speaker 1: Exactly intention that really keeps popping up, and.

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Speaker 2: That reputation, as you said, is profoundly well earned. When

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we observe an object coming in from outside our solar system,

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we try to categorize its behavior based on what we

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know about comments about asteroids.

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Speaker 1: Sure, the usual suspect, right.

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Speaker 2: But three iatlists it basically forced astrophysicist Avi Lobe, who's

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a key voice in this whole discussion of non terrestrial phenomena,

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to place it on a very specific scale.

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Speaker 1: He developed, Ohkait, tell us about that scale? How do

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we quantify an anomaly like this?

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Speaker 2: So Avi Loba set up this categorization scale. It runs

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from zero to ten. Zero is basically a completely normal

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typical commet behaves exactly as predicted by Newtonian physics, you know,

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textbook stuff, gravity, sublimation.

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Speaker 1: The whole package, right, bloring predictable predictable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and ten on the absolute far extreme that would

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be classified as undeniable alien technology, no question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where did three IAT lists lamp?

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Speaker 2: It was assigned a category four rating.

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Speaker 1: Four huh, so not a zero, but not a ten either.

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H sitting well outside the realm of typical though, what

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does that signify? A four?

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Speaker 2: It places three i AT lists squarely in the realm

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of high level unusual behavior. It signals that we have

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multiple distinct observational puzzles things our current commentary models just

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cannot explain without resorting to well mechanisms we can't yet

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define or even detect. It means we have to start

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considering possibilities that are statistically really improbable, maybe even physically

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impossible for a purely natural object.

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Speaker 1: In these puzzles, these anomalies, that's what makes this whole

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story so compelling, so weirdly thrilling, almost absolutely so. To

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set the stage for you listening, we've identified seven core

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anomalies that really define three ialysts and set it fundamentally

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apart even from our other interstellar visitors, you know, Umola

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and boor us off.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the first couple are sort of physical observations. First,

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there's its sheer unusual size. Estimates put the nucleus maybe

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around a kilometer in diameter, maybe more, but its behavior

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doesn't seem to match its mass. That's the first flag.

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Speaker 1: Okay, big but acting weird for its size. Got it.

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Speaker 2: Then right after that we hit the really bizarre sunward

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jet plume. This is a total reversal of what we expect.

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Speaker 1: Wait, sunward, the jet, the coma. It's extending towards the Sun.

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Speaker 2: Exactly defying the solar wind. It's just wrong.

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Speaker 1: Just hold that image for a second. The tail or

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whatever it is, is pushing against the Sun. That alone

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breaks the mold of everything we know about how commets

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interact with stellar energy. Wow, okay, what else did they find?

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Speaker 2: Well? Next up is its unusual chemical composition and how

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it's scatters light. It exhibits extreme negative polarization. Basically, the

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way it reflects and scatters sunlight is just strange, highly

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inconsistent with a typical dusty, icy object.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't look right in terms of light physics either.

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Speaker 2: Not really No. And then adding to the strangeness, it

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shows this peculiar ecliptic plane alignment, meaning its path through

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our Solar system is unnervingly aligned with the plane where

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all the planets orbit the Sun, almost like it's following

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a I don't know, a navigational chart rather than just

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a random entry vector from interstellar space.

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Speaker 1: That feels deliberate, almost too neat.

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Speaker 2: It feels efficient. Yeah, and the final two points they

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kind of move us from pure physics anomalies more into

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these narrative anomalies, things that suggest a story. Okay, we

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have what are being called optimized planetary flybys. Its trajectory

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seems to maximize gravitational assists from planets like Mars. It

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suggests a path that's almost too efficient, too planned, rather

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than a haphazard journey through the.

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Speaker 1: System, like it knew where it was going and the

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best way to get there using gravity.

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Speaker 2: That's the implications some are drawing. Yeah, and maybe the

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most scientifically arresting point on that list, the one that

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gives it real narrative weight, is its alignment with the

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source location of the nineteen seventy seven WOW.

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Speaker 1: Signal, the WIW signal.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, it's arriving from a direction roughly nine degrees off

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the Sagittarius constellation, which is the exact area of the

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sky where we receive that one singular, profound narrow band

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radio transmission all those decades ago, that signal that's never

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been repeated and never explained.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on. You connect a singular, powerful, unexplained radio

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beacon from the seventies with a physical object arriving from

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the same patch of sky today, you're basically connecting two

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of the greatest unexplained mysteries in modern astronomy.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much.

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Speaker 1: That just frames the entire event completely differently. It shifts

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it from a chance encounter to a potential cosmic rendezvous.

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Speaker 2: It certainly fuels that kind of speculation. Yes, but look,

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exotic possibilities, we really have to address the most frustrating

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part of the three I atlist story and perhaps the

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most suspicious part for many people, which is the convenient

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absence of critical observational data.

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Speaker 1: Right this is where the hard science beats well messy

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politics and where the scientific counities collective headache really began.

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We're talking about this highly anomalous object, a Category four visitor,

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just begging for detailed, high res observation, and its trajectory

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was calculated to offer this rare, spectacular opportunity for us

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to really see what it was made of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that critical moment was predicted for around October third.

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out close within about twenty nine million kilometers of Mars.

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That proximity positioned it perfectly from maximum observation by a

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whole range of global space assets. We're talking instruments like

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the Hubble Space Telescope, specialized cameras on Mars orbiters, the works.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine million kilometers near Mars. That's close enough for

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incredibly detailed pictures, right that kind.

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Speaker 2: We needed absolutely a proximity like that for an interstellar visitor.

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It's incredibly rare. So all the big guns, all the cameras,

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all the telescopes Hubble definitely included, were theoretically poised to

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capture this. As you said, one in a lifetime opportunity,

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you'd expect a flood of data images, flash, flash, flash,

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get those pictures, but then nothing, silence detail. The frustrating

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Speaker 1: Official explanation provided for this, this great data silence, it

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stems from something pretty mundane though definitely disruptive terrestrial politics,

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specifically a US government budget failure UH shut down right,

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The official position is that NASA, including the team's need

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for Hubble and other key instruments, was operating on absolute

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bare minimum staff. Critical personnel were furloughed.

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government shut down actually means for these highly specialized operations

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like Hubble. It's not like just flipping off a light switch, right,

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not at all. These telescopes require immense lead time incredibly

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specialized staff to manage observation schedules, data processing calibration. Hubble time,

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for instance, is fiercely competitive. It's allocated weeks, sometimes months

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in advance. You can't just decide to point it somewhere.

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Speaker 1: On a whim, so when a shutdown happens.

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Speaker 2: When a shutdown occurs, employees including the specialized engineers, the

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data processors, the folks who handle the data release pipelines.

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facilities they're put onto furlough, they're sent home. So the

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official line is, the official position is that the necessary

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personnel were simply not available to manage the demanding process collecting, processing, calibrating,

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and then releasing these complex, multi layered high resolution images.

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Speaker 1: It's the difference between like me taking a snapshot on

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my phone and a complex government instrument generating actual scientific

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grade data that needs careful handling precisely.

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Speaker 2: And we know the last comparable shutdown was that really

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long one thirty five days back in twenty eighteen, So

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it's not unprecedented, but the timing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's analyze the public reaction to this, because the

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skepticism was immediate and pretty profound, wasn't it across both

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the scientific community and the general public.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the skepticism is completely understandable. Look, you have an

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object that's been flagged as a Category four anomaly, potentially

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something completely unprecedented in recorded history, and the only reason

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a budget dispute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it stretches credulity, as.

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Speaker 2: They say, it really does. It raises that important question,

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when you're facing a scientific opportunity that might literally never

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Speaker 1: It seems highly improbable, doesn't it. You've got researchers who

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dedicate their entire lives to finding something exactly like this.

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scientists wouldn't just work for free. They might risk breaking protocol,

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climb over the fence metaphorically speaking, just to tap the

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keys and secure that absolutely crucial data.

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Speaker 2: And that perceived improbability, combined with the incredibly convenient timing

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of the shutdown hitting just as Atlas was in that

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optimal viewing position, well, it's fueled immense speculation.

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Speaker 1: Speculation like what like the.

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Speaker 2: Government might be actively hiding what they found, or maybe

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they did get the images and they're processing them trying

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to figure out what they mean before releasing anything. Perhaps

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because the data seriously contradicted the simple comet narrative, they might.

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Speaker 2: That's what the skeptics are saying. However, we weren't completely

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block during this period, and this contrast is critical. Okay,

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the European Space Agency ESA, they weren't affected by the

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US mudget issues obviously, right, different government, different budget, and

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they did successfully capture footage of three i at lists

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using the xmr's camera on one of their Mars orbiters. Now,

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this ESA data, while maybe not the super high resolution

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stuff we craved from Hubble, it quickly became the subject

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of intense global scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: So we did get something.

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Speaker 2: We did, and it provided us with our first real

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look at its truly strange physical appearance and really opened

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the door to our next set of anomalies, the visible ones.

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data from Hubble back in July, it gave us the

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first clear visual contradiction regarding three i at lists. When

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you think comment, what do you picture?

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know the classic image big bright head and

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this massive, beautiful tale of dust and gas streaming away

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from the sun like Haley's or Hailbop, the famous cosmic streaker.

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Speaker 2: Exactly textbook solar wind interaction. But three eye at lists,

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it just doesn't fit that mold at all. Early observations

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described it more like a ball of light with maybe

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Speaker 1: Huh, So, noting the distinct lack of a prominent tail,

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the kind you'd expect from an objected size moving that

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Speaker 2: Sun precisely, even Avi Loeb himself stated quite clearly three

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more typical solar system commet. Now get this, Even though

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A three was actually much closer to Earth at the

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time of some key observations about thirty six million miles

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compared to Atlas' one hundred and thirty million miles, A

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three exhibited a massive, bright, absolutely textbook dust tail, huge thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So A three was closer and had a big tail,

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makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But three I at Lists, which was way further out,

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like ninety four million miles further away at that point,

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had barely anything visually significant in terms of a tail,

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just that fuzzy ball.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So what does that suggest?

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Speaker 2: It suggests that whatever process is happening on three I

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at lists, it's either somehow suppressing the release of its material,

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maybe holding itself together better than expected, or perhaps it's

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actively protecting itself from the Sun's ablation effect. It's not

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shedding material in the expected way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this lack of a tail, combined with the

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fact that it's apparently not breaking apart despite the solar heating,

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that leads us directly to maybe the most baffling physical observation, right,

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the anti cometary trait that sunworred jet plut Me mentioned.

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Speaker 2: That's the real physics defying part in normal comments. Okay,

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solar heating causes isis to supplement turned to gas. Fine,

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then the solar wind and the pressure from sunlight itself

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physically pushed that resulting tail away from the Sun. Always

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think of the Sun like a massive cosmic fan blowing

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the tail outwards.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. Push implies direction.

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Speaker 2: Away ai atlass the material, the coma, the stuff around

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the nucleus was observed extending or kind of jetting towards

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the Sun, almost as if it were actively defying that

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solar wind push pointing into the fan, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: That is, that's shocking from a physicist perspective. If the

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solar wind is pushing one way in the Jett's point

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of the other way, how does scientists even begin to

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reconcile that what mechanical process could possibly violate the known

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physics of solar radiation pressure like that?

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Speaker 2: That is the core mystery. We don't have a good

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conventional explanation.

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Speaker 1: It really suggests some mechanism that's either resisting the pressure,

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nullifying it somehow, or maybe even intentionally manipulating the forces

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being exerted by the sun. It's out active.

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Speaker 2: It certainly invites those kinds of thoughts, doesn't it. And

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this brings us neatly to the viral zoomed in footage

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the stuff derived from that ESA data. Once this footage

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started circulating globally, people began reporting seeing well distinct white

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dots almost resembling LEDs or little orbs lying around the

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main body of the.

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Speaker 1: Object, LEDs like lights on a comet.

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Speaker 2: That was a description catching on online, and as you

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can imagine, this intensified the speculation that the object wasn't

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natural that it was artificial. Seeing little points of light

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moving around it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't sound like dust. So this must have

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sent the scientific community scrambling for a conventional explanation for

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this sparkling as this led effects. Right, what were the

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counter theories? How do they try to rationalize that dotted appearance?

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Speaker 2: Well, scientists offered three main explanations, all basically focusing on

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dust scattering effects and potential observational errors. Nothing involving actual lights, okay,

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theory one. The primary theory revolved around sublimation and exceptionally

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fine dust grains. The idea is, okay, the intense solar

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heating causes ices on the nucleus to sublimate turned directly

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into gas, standard comet stuff. But this process, this out gassing,

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It drags microscopic dust grains off the surface at extremely

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high speeds, really tiny particles.

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Speaker 1: And when this two per fine material, it's the sunlight.

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Speaker 2: What happens when these tiny high velocity particles scatter the

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sunlight unevenly, especially when you're taking long exposure images like

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the ones from EXOMRS, they can produce that kind of

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sparkling or dotted appearance. They can momentarily flash brightly mimicking

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individual lights rather than just contributing to a smooth, continuous glow.

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They're just tiny bright reflectors caught in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so little dust motes casting the light in a

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weird way because of the camera settings. Was this a

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second theory that address the chemistry exactly?

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Speaker 2: The second theory emphasized the potentially unusual chemical composition of

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the material being shed. We know that coma has this

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reddish color and it contains these high velocity particles. Now,

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the sources suggest these include particles possibly as large as

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quote one hundred units.

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Speaker 1: One hundred units of what That sounds vague.

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Speaker 2: It is a bit vague in the source, but in

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astronomical context for cometary dust, that likely means one hundred microns,

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which is actually quite large for grains being ejected at

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high velocity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so relatively large grains for this process.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And mixed in with these larger grains are complex

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organic molecules known as tholins. Think reddish tar like complex organics.

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And then there are also mentions of the smallest particles

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being quote one radius, which again is likely shorthand for

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particles around one micron and radius typical fine dust size.

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Speaker 1: So a mix of unusually large grains, tiny grains, and

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weird organic stuff, all moving fast and catching light differently.

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Speaker 2: That's the idea. This unique complex mix of particle sizes

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and compositions, especially the larger, faster grains, contributes heavily to

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that unusual visual scattering effect, making it look potentially dotty.

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Speaker 1: All right, And the third theory that brings us back

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to the camera itself, right, Yeah, limitations of observation, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, good old imaging artifacts. Telescopes like the one on

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XMRS capture images through multiple color filters, typically red, green,

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and blue, over a period of time, not instantaneously, okay.

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Because the object three II is moving relative to the spacecraft,

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its movement causes it to effectively streak across the different

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filter frames during the exposure sequence.

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Speaker 1: Ah, so it's in a slightly different place when the

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red filter is on compared to the blue.

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Speaker 2: Filter precisely, and when you combine these slightly offset color

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filtered images, the motion can sometimes cause point sources like

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bright spots on the object or even background cosmic rays

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hitting the detector to blend into these isolated, maybe multicolored dots.

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It can look like distinct points of light that aren't

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really there as persistent lights, so.

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Speaker 1: Basically glitches in the matrix caused by movement in camera mechanics.

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Speaker 2: That's the technical explanation, and scientists analyzing the data stress

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that the observations overall are consistent with passive reflection of

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sunlight and dust scattering. They firmly rolled out any evidence

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of an internal active glow or any kind of artificial

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light source for the object as a whole. The dots

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were likely just dust or artifacts.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, speaking of composition and appearance, you mentioned the color.

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The object apparently changed its look quite dramatically as it

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got closer to the sun, shifting from that reddish hue

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you mentioned earlier to green. That kind of color change

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must be a huge clue about what it's actually made.

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Speaker 2: Of, right, Oh, absolutely, it's a direct chemical signature. This

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specific color change from reddish often indicating complex organics or silkits,

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to a distinct green as it heats up is attributed

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quite specifically to the objects shredding nickel and iron at

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an exceptional rate.

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Speaker 1: Nickel and iron metals in large quantities.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as these metallic elements vaporize in the intense heat

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near the sun. The gaseous nickel and iron atoms fluoresce

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when hit by sunlight, emitting light specifically in the green

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part of the spectrum. Diatomic carbon C two also glows

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green in comets, but the reports emphasize nickel and iron here.

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Speaker 1: So seeing that green glow tells us not only that

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it's getting really hot, but also that it has an

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incredibly high concentration of these metals, much higher than a

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typical icy comet maybe, and it's releasing them far fast

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than usual.

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Speaker 2: That's the interpretation. The rate and intensity of that green

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glow suggests both high heat and an unusual abundance of

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metals being liberated from the nucleus. It adds another layer

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to its chemical peculiarity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have an object that visually defies the

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expected norms, no real tail, an anti sun plume, strange

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dots explained as dust, heart effacts, and a weird color

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change indicating lots of metal. But if the physical appearance

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just defied visual expectation, the next piece of data we

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need to talk about seems to fundamentally break the laws

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of motion we associate with these objects, right.

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Speaker 2: We need to focus now on a really crucial concept,

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non gravitational acceleration, usually shortened.

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Speaker 1: To NGA NGA.

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Speaker 2: NGA is absolutely key to understanding why three I atlas

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is considered such an extreme outlier. So, as we discussed,

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when a comet heats up near the Sun, the volatile

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ices on its surface, things like water, ice, carbon dioxide, ice,

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maybe methane ice. They don't melt, they sublimate, They turn

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directly into.

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Speaker 1: Gas, okay, straight from solid to gas exactly.

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Speaker 2: And these gases are often ejected from specific spots on

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the nucleus, creating these powerful asymmetrical jets we see them now.

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These jets act like small, continuous but importantly uncontrolled thrusters

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on the comet.

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Speaker 1: Like little rocket engines firing off randomly.

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Speaker 2: Prey much, and they constantly push the comet slightly off

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the precise gravitational course that Newton's laws would predict based

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just on the pull of the Sun and planet.

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Speaker 1: Ah. Okay, So if you imagine like a boat floating

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on a perfectly smooth lake, the boat should follow the

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calculated path based on gravity, maybe the wind. But if

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the boat has a tiny, unpredictable leak on the side,

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that's constantly squirting water out. Yeah, the boat is going

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to wobble and veer off that perfect course. It won't

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go exactly where you calculate it should.

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Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy, that wobbling, that veering. That is

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the non gravitational acceleration the NGA, And for natural comments,

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especially active ones, that effect is significant, measurable, and usually

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highly inconsistent and unpredictable because the jets sputter and change.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if three I outlists is active, shedding nickel

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and iron, generating that weird sunward plume, it should be

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experiencing significant NGA, right, it should be wabbling all over

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the place.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely should be. It should be highly inconsistent dynamically speaking.

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But the source material, the tracking data. It shows that

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since its discovery way back in early May, three I

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at list has maintained an extreme stability in its trajectory.

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This is what some are calling the steady hand phenomenon

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extreme stability.

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Speaker 1: The numbers here are what really make your jaw drop,

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aren't they? Yeah? How steady are we actually talking?

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Speaker 2: On a daily basis? The tracking data shows its velocity

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and trajectory have only fluctuated by about one point five

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kilometers due to NGA. That's its average deviation from a

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purely gravitational path per day.

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Speaker 1: One point five kilometers per day. Yep.

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Speaker 2: When we calculate its course, it's almost perfectly following the

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gravitational pull of the Sun and the planets, almost as

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if those jets, the ones causing the plume and the

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color change, aren't even firing, or as if something is

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counteracting them perfectly.

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Speaker 1: One and a half kilometers per day. Okay, on its

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own that number, maybe it sounds like a lot. Maybe not.

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But we have to compare it to its peers, to

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other comets and interstellar objects to realize just how statistically

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bizarre this stability actually is.

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Speaker 2: Exactly we're talking about orders of magnitude difference here, not

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just some minor statistical variation. This isn't just a slightly

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unusual reading. This appears to be a complete rejection of

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expected cometary dynamics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, flay out the comparisons. How does one point five

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kilometer a stack up. Let's start with the other interstellar visitors.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's use the specific comparative examples found in the reports.

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Take two, Borisov, the second interstellar object we detected before Atlas.

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Borisov was much more commet like visually, but its NGA

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was measured to be fluctuating over one hundred kilometers per day.

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Speaker 1: Whoa wait, over one hundred kilometers per day for Borisov

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versus one point five kilometers per day for Atlas.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That means three I Atlas is roughly what

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seventy to one hundred times more stable in its path

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than its interstellar predecessor boresof.

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Speaker 1: One hundred times more stable. Okay, that puts a one

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point five kilometer figure into painful perspective for astronomers trying

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to classify this thing. Is just a weird comet, it

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really does.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's look at a large solar system comet, something

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we know is natural but big and active, like comet Hailbop,

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which was huge, probably at least as large intrinsically as

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hailbop, big comet. How much did it wobble?

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Speaker 2: Even Hailbop, despite its large mass, which should add some stability,

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it was still being pushed around by its jets, fluctuating

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by an average of over ten kilometers of NGA.

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Speaker 1: Per day, So ten kilometers for Hailbob still roughly ten

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times more fluctuation than Atlas exhibits. A massive object like

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Hailbop should have massive, detectable and highly variable jets causing

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significant NGA.

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Speaker 2: Correct and Atlas, apparently similar in size, is just cruising

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along smoothly. Now for the gold standard of interstellar instability.

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The object that first alerted us to the whole possibilit

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of non cometary interstellar behavior Umoma.

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Speaker 1: The first one, Umua.

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Speaker 2: At certain points in its trajectory, especially near the sun,

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Umuama showed NGA suggesting it was changing direction, or rather

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deviating from gravity by over one thousand kilometers.

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Speaker 1: Per day one thousand kilometers per day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so when you put these numbers side by side,

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Atlas at one point five kilometer day, Hailbop at ten

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kilometer day, boris off at one hundred kilometer day, and

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Umumua at one thousand kilometer day. Three I at LISS

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isn't just an outlier. It's in a completely different category

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of dynamical behavior.

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Speaker 1: It's like comparing a laser beam's path to a spattering firework.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. And this extreme

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stability has profound implications because if scientists use the measured

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NGA to estimate how much Voldel material is being released

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and thus infer the commets composition and mass loss, ATLAS

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is a near zero NGA throws off every standard mathematical

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assumption used to calculate its internal structure and activity level.

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It doesn't compute.

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Speaker 1: So the implication of this extreme stability. If the sublimation

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jets are firing, and we have visual evidence they are

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because of the plume the green color, but the object

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remains on this incredibly steady course, what does that mean.

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Speaker 2: It means it's somehow resisting that movement. It's compensating.

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Speaker 1: It's like it must be turning a steering wheel back

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in the other direction to perfectly correct the thrust. Every

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single time a jet fires off axis, holding a course

504
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so steady that it appears well the words you used

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earlier intentional, intentional.

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Speaker 2: Guided, The term used directly in the source material is

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that its path appears guided through the Solar system. Now,

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if three Eye OUTLAS is some kind of craft being

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actively steered, then logically it could not only hold a

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precise course, but theoretically change course whenever its operators chose.

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Speaker 1: To which leads to where's it go now?

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Speaker 2: Well, right now, The purely gravitational predictions based on its

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current stable path state that Atlas will pass around the Sun,

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but on the opposite side from Earth. We won't get

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another close look according to those calculations.

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Speaker 1: But the very discussion around this object, the category four rating,

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this stability, it allows for speculation that's usually just reserved

518
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for science fiction movies.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the highly speculative possibility exists, and it's being discussed

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because of the data. If it has the capability to

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intentionally slow itself down or adjust its vector later on something,

522
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its uncanny trajectory stability almost seems to hint at, then maybe,

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just maybe it.

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Speaker 1: Might be waiting for us on the other side. That's

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actually in the reports.

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Speaker 2: That exact phrasing is mentioned as a speculative possibility raised

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by its behavior. The fact that this kind of idea

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is even included in serious discussions even as speculation, just

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shows the profound level of intrigue and anomaly this object

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has generated. It forces questions we normally dismiss.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the confluence of everything we've talked about, the

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data gaps coinciding with the best viewing time, the physics

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defying movement the c are physical anomalies. It seems to

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have created the perfect storm, the perfect environment for a

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truly spectacular suite of highly speculated theories to emerge.

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Speaker 2: The vacuum of concrete data gets filled with other ideas.

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Speaker 1: Exactly so we need to delve into these now, these

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extraordinary claims found in our source material. And just to

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be absolutely clear for everyone listening, we need to maintain

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a clear critical distance here. We're reporting these theories impartially

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as they appear in the sources, not endorsing them.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, it's important to separate observed anomaly from unverified explanation.

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Let's start with hypothesis one. That's floated solar energy absorption.

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Speaker 1: Solar energy absorption. Okay, what's the.

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Speaker 2: Thinking here, Well, this theory attempts to offer an explanation

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for two things, how the object maintains its integrity under

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intense solar radiation, and perhaps even explain that bizarre anti

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sunword jet plume. The core idea is that three i

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atlists might be actively drawing energy from the Sun.

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Speaker 1: Like powering itself using the.

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Speaker 2: Sun, sort of The analogy does like Superman, drawing power

552
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from Earth's yellow Sun to recharge his batteries, maintain his

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strength resist external forces. The idea is Atlas might be

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doing something similar technologically.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but wait, if an object, especially one that big,

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we're drawing significant energy directly from the Sun, wouldn't that

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process itself require some kind of observable signature massive heat radiation,

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maybe some kind of electrical or magnetic field effect that

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should be detectable even from one hundred and thirty million

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miles away.

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Speaker 2: Logically, yes, you'd think so. That's the major question mark

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over this theory. How does it do this without obvious signs.

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The theory attempts to sidestep this lack of direct evidence

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by referencing a historical precedent, or at least a previously

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unexplained observation, which is the source. Specifically mentions the reported

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twenty twelve siding, which was confirmed by images from NASA's

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Solar Dynamics Observatory SDO of a huge, dark, roughly spherical

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object described as a UFO, larger than Jupiter's hovering near

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the Sun. It appeared connected by a filament and seemed

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to be there for about twenty four hours straight allegedly

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absorbing plasma.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, I vaguely remember hearing about that SDEO event.

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Scientists were baffled.

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Speaker 2: Right, completely baffled by the physics of how that object

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could withstand the chromal heat in what it was doing.

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But the anecdote is used in these sources purely as context.

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It establishes the possibility, however remote, of large objects interacting

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with the Sun in unexpected, perhaps energy harvesting ways.

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Speaker 1: So the theory suggests ATLICS is doing the same thing,

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just maybe on a smaller, more subtle scale, using absorbed

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solar energy to power its systems, maintain its structure, maybe

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even power that weird check.

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Speaker 2: That's the essence of the hypothesis. Yes, it's an attempt

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to find an energy source for its anomaloust behavior.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then we move to hypothesis too, magnetic shielding. This

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one offers more of a structural explanation for why it's

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not breaking apart like a normal comment and why it

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lacks that big tail.

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Speaker 2: Right. This theory posits that the object isn't fragmenting under

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solar p pressure and heat because it has some kind

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of advanced protective field like you know shields up in

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Star Trek the force field seriously Well, the concept proposed

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is slightly more physics based, though still highly speculative. The

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idea is that this shield is actually generated by the

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coma itself, specifically a coma composed of plasma and perhaps

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CO two gas, which then generates a powerful magnetic field

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surrounding the nucleus.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the gas cloud creates the shield. What would

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be the function of such a shield? The energy requirements

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must be immense.

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Speaker 2: The proposed function is that it acts much like Earth's magnetosphere,

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our own natural magnetic shield. It would shield the object's

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nucleus from the really intense abrasive effects of the solar

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wind from high energy cosmic rays X rays, maybe even

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deflect small media rites that would normally chip away at

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and fragment a typical comet nucleus over time, so it

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preserves the core exactly. And interestingly, the source claims that

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observations are referenced, which suggests this magnetic field or something

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like it is even capable of visibly bending the local

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solar wind around the object.

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Speaker 1: Bending the solar wind that would be directly observable evidence,

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wouldn't it has it been confirmed.

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Speaker 2: That claim about bending solar wind is in the speculative reports,

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but whether it's based on rigorously analyzed, confirmed data versus

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interpretation of ambiguous plasma interactions is unclear. It's part of

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the shield hypothesis narrative and.

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Speaker 1: The power source for this massive magnetic shield.

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Speaker 2: The level of power required to maintain a shield strong

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enough to withstand the Sun's full fury at close range

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would be absolutely staggering. The theory, as reported suggests the

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object must possess the equivalent energy output of ten atomic

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power plants inside.

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Speaker 1: Ten nuclear reactors inside a comet.

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Speaker 2: That's the scale of energy proposed by the theory to

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make the shield plausible, and this powerful protection would explain

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why it maintains its structural integrity and doesn't develop that large,

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dusty textbook tail like its more fragile, unstable neighbors. The

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material just isn't getting sam blasted off in the same way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, solar absorption, magnetic shields, these are already pretty far

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out there, but this brings us to the most extraordinary claims,

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where the speculation shifts entirely away from physics and into

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well intelligence and communication. We need to handle hypothesis three

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now the one involving remote viewing and unbelievably the CERN

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particle collider. And again we have to approach this with

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extreme care, presenting it solely as information contained in the

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source material which seems to be derived from intelligence community

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reports or claims.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is where the narrative moves into the deepest,

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most unconventional, and frankly unverified territory. These specific claims appear

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to stem from reports concerning remote viewers.

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Speaker 1: Define remote viewing for US quickly.

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Speaker 2: Remote viewers are individuals who claim they can use psychic

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or extra sensory abilities to gather information about distant or

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hidden targets, locations, or events just using their minds. It's

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a controversial practice associated with past government psychic espionage programs

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like Stargate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so these remote viewers were apparently tasked.

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Speaker 2: According to these reports, Yes, they were tasked by individuals

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identified only as intelligence people could be government, could be

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private to specifically examine three I atlas psychically and what.

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Speaker 1: Did these remote viewers supposedly conclude about the object's nature

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and its occupants.

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Speaker 2: The reports state that these remote viewers, apparently working independently,

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came to a unanimous conclusion. It was not a comment.

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They perceived it as a manufactured vessel, specifically describing it

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as a mothership.

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Speaker 1: A mother ship. And occupants.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they also claimed to perceive occupants on board, describing

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them specifically using the term draco reptilian occupants.

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Speaker 1: Draco reptilian. Okay, wow, that's quite a specific and loaded description.

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Speaker 2: Extremely specific. Yes, and this information, regardless of its actual

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validity or source, forms a key piece of the highly

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sensational theories now circulating around three I atlas, linking it

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directly to non human intelligence, and the source.

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Speaker 1: Material apparently escalates this connection even further somehow, managing to

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involve CERN, one of the most sophisticated mainstream science institutions

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on Earth, known for the large Hadron Collider. How does

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CERN get dragged into this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a surprising link. The source recounts an account

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allegedly shared by someone described as both a consultant and

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an astrophysicist who claimed to have worked at CERN, the

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European Organization for Nuclear Research, the place that smashes particles

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together at near light speed.

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Speaker 1: How did this account surface?

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Speaker 2: This individual was apparently introduced indirectly through someone connected to

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the intelligence community, and they allegedly shared what they claimed

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to have experienced or witnessed at CERN related to.

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Speaker 1: This okay detail, the core claim here, what's the alleged

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link between CERN and three I Atlas.

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Speaker 2: The core claim, as reported in these sources is absolutely extraordinary.

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It's alleged that CERNE, using its immense collider technology, didn't

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just discover particles, but somehow managed to open or perhaps

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access a stable portal.

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Speaker 1: A portal like a dimensional gateway.

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Speaker 2: That's the implication. This portal was described bizarrely as already

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being in existence, almost maintained routinely within a boardroom setting

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at CERN, and through this technological portal, they were allegedly

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able to establish direct communication with extraterrestrial beings.

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Speaker 1: Okay wow, And the direct connection to our object three

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I out lists.

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Speaker 2: The direct connection is the most specific and astounding detail

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in this account. These beings communicating via the SERN portal

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allegedly confirmed that they were the occupants of three EYE

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at Lists.

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Speaker 1: They said they were the ones inside the object were tracking.

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Speaker 2: That is the explicit claim reported in the source. Now,

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according to this account, they didn't show up physically in

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the boardroom. Instead, they appeared as tall holographic projections holograms. Yes,

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and they supposedly communicated telepathically simultaneously with every single scientists

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present in the room, delivering a consistent, unified message about

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their purpose and.

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Speaker 1: The message the message these alleged holographic occupants of three

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Ietlists conveyed through the stern portal was.

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Speaker 2: The message they reportedly delivered was that they were coming

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in peace, and their stated mission was to gather all

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the star seeds of this planet.

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Speaker 1: Gather the star seeds. Okay, that is undeniably cryptic, deeply esoteric,

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and highly extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a message laden with meaning that's open to

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vast interpretation. But within the context of these particular sensational sources,

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it frames the entire arrival of three Ietlists not as

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a random, natural cosmic event, but as an intentional, pre announced,

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potentially interventionist rendezvous.

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Speaker 1: Cern opening portals and boardrooms, chatting telepathically with holographic reptilian

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aliens from a giant mothership disguised as a comet. It

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sounds almost too far fetched to even discuss in a

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serious context.

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Speaker 2: And yet, and yet, these are the kinds of theories

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now circulating apparently fueled or at least given oxygen by

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the extreme unexplained scientific anomalies of the object itself. When

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the known physics seems to fail so spectacularly, perhaps it's

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inevitable that the imagination and sometimes conspiratorial thinking rushes in

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to fill the void. Hashtag tag outro. So if we

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try to synthesize as truly extraordinary narrative, we've just walked

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through you, the listener. You now hold this really complex picture.

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You have an object officially classified as highly anomalists based

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on scientific observation.

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Speaker 1: The category four rating.

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Speaker 2: You have significant data gaps right at the most crucial time,

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gaps that immediately fueled skepticism about observational transparency and maybe

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even cover ups. You have movement, the trajectory that seems

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to fundamentally defy our current understanding of cometary physics, looking almost.

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Speaker 1: Guided from kaya.

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Speaker 2: And all of this observed weirdness is then overlaid with

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this suite of really extraordinary speculative theories, ranging from somewhat

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plausible physics extensions like solar energy absorption or magnetic shields,

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all the.

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Speaker 1: Way to alleged intentional cosmic rendezvous involving remote viewers, certain

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portals and messages about star seeds exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal amount of information, spanning hard data, political context,

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and extreme speculation, and it leaves us scientifically speaking, in

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a state of profound uncertainty about this visitor currently passing

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through our solar system.

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Speaker 1: It really does. We know it's weird, but we don't

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know how weird or why.

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Speaker 2: But if we connect this back to the bigger picture

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kind of the so what takeaway here, it's this regardless

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of whether three I Atlas eventually turns out to be

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just a really really unusual natural phenomenon that forces us

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to rewrite comment textbooks, or if it's something else entirely,

751
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maybe technological, maybe something we can't even categorize yet, the

752
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process of analyzing its anomalies is incredibly valuable. It forces

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us as scientists and as curious humans to fundamentally question

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our current understanding, our understanding of commentary mechanics, of solar

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system formation, maybe even the limits of technology, both ours

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and potentially others.

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Speaker 1: It proves that old saying right, what we don't know

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about the universe still far outweighs what we do now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are compelled by objects like this to re

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examine the rules, the classifications, the assumptions we've built. It

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pushes the boundaries of science.

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Speaker 1: Which I think rais is a really important final question,

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something for you listening to really consider long after this

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deep dive ends. Given the extreme orders of magnitude difference

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in that trajectory stability between three I at lists fluctuating

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only one point five kilometers per day from non gravitational

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forces and previous interstellar visitors like Borisov and Umuwa, which

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fluctuated wildly by one hundreds or even a thousand kilometers

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per day. What observational criteria, What specific piece of evidence

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would you personally require to move this object's classification in

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your own mind, to shift it from just an unusual

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comet to something deliberately steered?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Where is that line?

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Speaker 1: When does a scientific anomaly transition from being highly unus

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usual or category four weird to being undeniably intentional? What's

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the tipping point for you? That's the ultimate question. I

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think that three atlas leaves us with