WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.439 Seen thirty two dot Org. 2 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:11.279 KCAA is your CNBC News abiliate where the station that 3 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.519 gets down to business. 4 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.039 The views and opinions expressed by individuals on the following 5 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.480 program do not necessarily reflect those of the network, Guys 6 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.079 Guy Radio and its platforms. 7 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.239 It's Guys Guy Radio. 8 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.600 Here's your host, Robert Manny. 9 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.960 Welcome to Guys Guys Radio. This is your host, Robert Manny, 10 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.039 welcoming you to the show where men and women can 11 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:45.799 be at their best and everyone wins. 12 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:47.439 Guys Guys Radio. 13 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:52.320 We're here to inform you, inspire you, empower you, and 14 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.960 get you to think, feel, and who knows, maybe even 15 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.439 act by virtue of the journeys, stories, experiences and sites 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:02.960 of the guests I bring you each and every week 17 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:05.400 to the show. Once again, this week is no exception. 18 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:07.640 Today we're going to talk about kind of the different 19 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.480 stages of aging. And I think this is a really 20 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.920 good show for guys because our special guest is Kenneth 21 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.519 Lacret's PhD. He's written a really wonderful book called Remembering 22 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:20.640 Self Seasons of the Soul Rediscovered through Mystical Experience and 23 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.920 depth Psychology. It's really about how to how to really 24 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.840 go back and peel the layers away and learn and 25 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.760 rediscover who you really are. And I think that's important 26 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:33.400 particularly for us, for us boomer guys out there, because 27 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.879 throughout our lives we're kind of told by the cultural narrative, well, 28 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.680 you're this age and here's your role, and you're that 29 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.400 age and here's your role, and eventually you're too old, 30 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:41.840 get out. 31 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.680 Of the way. Well, it doesn't have to be that way. 32 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.400 And I'm sure you or you have. 33 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.359 Friends if you are a boomer, no, a lot of 34 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.239 different folks who really define themselves via their job and 35 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.920 their wallet, if you will, And it gets to a 36 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:56.959 certain point where they get a little bit concerned because 37 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.640 they don't want to they don't want to leave that 38 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.920 work they've done. And I have friends who are in 39 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:03.640 their seventies and they put on the tie and sport 40 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.200 code and they go to work every day and you know, 41 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:11.120 they enjoy it, but also maybe maybe they're wondering what's 42 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.000 next after this and they haven't really come to terms 43 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:15.879 with their identity. So we're going to get into that 44 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.199 and a lot more. It's really like, you know, what 45 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.439 if midlife isn't a crisis, but it's a spiritual awakening, 46 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.879 and I think that can happen for anybody at any time. 47 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.599 But we're going to get into how to manage the 48 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.439 life stages and how to kind of transcend from aging 49 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:33.400 to eldering and really being. 50 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:34.919 A beacon of light to help other people. 51 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.840 So I think you're going to enjoy my conversation with 52 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.719 doctor Ken Lacret's right here on Guys. 53 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.759 Guys Radio. It's Guys Guy Radio. 54 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.439 Okay, guys, guys Radio. It is the interview portion of 55 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.319 our show. And hey, you know, guys, when we talk 56 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:55.360 about growth, we usually focus on achievement, career, relationships, money, status. 57 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.560 But what happens when life asks us to go deeper? 58 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.000 What happens when the old starts calling louder than the ego? 59 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:04.719 Sometimes that's a good thing. 60 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.520 My guest tonight is clinical psychologist, Youngian analyst and author 61 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:15.240 Kenneth R. Lacret's PhD, whose powerful new book Remembering Self 62 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.599 Guidance for the Labyrinth of Life and Beyond explores a 63 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.360 psychological and spiritual journey through midlife elderhood. 64 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:24.360 And we'll get. 65 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.039 Into that identity, attachment, soul evolution, and what it really 66 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.879 means to become whole that's a big task, but we're 67 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.560 going to get into it. We're going to talk about mind, body, spirit, young, 68 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:38.360 shadow work, the four seasons of life, and the mysterious 69 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:39.039 Guide at. 70 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.360 The center of the book. Sheima. 71 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:45.439 So, welcome to guys, guys radio Doctor Kenneth Lacretz, PhD. 72 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:48.960 How are you, doctor, I'm doing well this morning. Thank 73 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:50.360 you for inviting me on the show. 74 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:51.319 Fantastic. 75 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:55.280 So why do you think, doctor, so many successful people 76 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.919 reach midlife feeling disconnected, restless, or spiritually emptied despite having 77 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.439 it all. You know a lot of guys, particularly in 78 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:07.280 the boomer airs, and I would, uh, I would take 79 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.560 a chance and say, you're probably just about in the 80 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:11.199 boomer age. 81 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.560 I'm I'm a boomer and I know so many of 82 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:14.280 my friends. 83 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:18.519 Uh uh they you know, their their identity is tethered 84 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.079 to their position. 85 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.360 A lot of them won't retire. They don't need the money. 86 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.759 They like to put the tie on and get on 87 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.560 the train and go to work, and uh they. 88 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:28.240 Just won't let it go. 89 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.759 And I think a lot of it's about power and 90 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.319 identity and and money and comfort and fear and all 91 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.000 of the rest. But you're the you're this here, the 92 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.879 young in psychoanalyst here, so tell us what we need 93 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:41.120 to know. 94 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:43.560 Well, you know what I'm going to do is I'm 95 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.720 going to begin with a history lesson, okay, because I 96 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.199 think that we we can't fully understand where we are 97 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.560 without understanding history and what history has brought us to, 98 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.199 particularly in the in the modern era, and we're kind 99 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:03.439 of in a post modernest time is it's brought us 100 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.920 into a peak differentiation of the ego from the ground 101 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.560 of self or from the ground of being. And you 102 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.319 could say, if you looked at it pictorially, that the 103 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.399 ego is kind of at high noon in terms of 104 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.079 its separation from the self. Now, what happens when it 105 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.240 reaches high noon is we find ourselves in a period 106 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.279 of alienation from the ground of who we are and 107 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:34.560 symptoms start to emerge at that point, which starts to 108 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.199 take us into midlife. But what happens is people find 109 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.079 themselves so identified with the ego because they think that 110 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.120 that's who they are, they think that that's all there is, 111 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.920 that they're very resistant to make these kinds of shifts 112 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.399 that we think are appropriate second half of life shifts. 113 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.519 But why would we make a shift like that if 114 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.959 we think this is who we are, and the ground 115 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.639 of being is so silent, it is so distant, it's 116 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.839 so detached that we in the modern era believe that 117 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.199 there's nothing to shift into. 118 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:13.759 Amazing. 119 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.480 So, you know, young who you studied extensively, spoke about individuation, 120 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.000 the process of becoming whole. How does your book Remembering 121 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.439 Self expand upon or personalize that concept. 122 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.399 What I try to do in the book is bring 123 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.560 it into a story, because I think that a story particularly, 124 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.879 and this is about a figure named Shemah who is 125 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.160 at the end of his life. He's ninety three years 126 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.720 old and he's reviewing his life, and he's able to 127 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:53.199 see from a transcendent lens and also from a very 128 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:59.079 imminent personal lens, and he's able to trace his life back. Now, 129 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.639 what we see when we trace our lives back as 130 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.279 we see the growth of the ego, which is an 131 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:10.120 unfolding and a differentiating process. It is not about wholeness 132 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:15.519 per se. It's about leaving a ground of unconscious, undifferentiated wholeness. 133 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:22.240 It's about developing an articulated personality that functions in the 134 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:27.120 human matrix of life. You know, that builds attachments to 135 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:32.439 their lives attachments to their identity that becomes a student 136 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:37.079 and a son or a daughter eventually an adult and 137 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:41.160 someone who can function in the adult world hopefully. And 138 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.800 that's the whole idea of building a solid vessel of ego, 139 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.040 is that we can actually function in a world and 140 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.519 build a structure in that world through career and marriage 141 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:55.759 and family that can hold the depth of the task 142 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:01.199 of adulthood. Now through the story, what we find is 143 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.680 that there is also there's a phase a mid life, 144 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.839 and we go through many transitional phases throughout life, but 145 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.120 there's a phase of mid life in which this structure 146 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:17.079 begins to collapse. And when the structure collapses, we begin 147 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.759 searching in the kind of the dry soil or some 148 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:25.120 new meaning. But it's very difficult to find at the 149 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.279 level of ego, because the true source of meaning is 150 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.920 the connection to the ground of being that we have 151 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:36.080 spent our entire first half of life leaving correct And 152 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.759 so we get to that point and we go through 153 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.840 what the alchemists call it's a solvent phase or a 154 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:48.639 disillusion phase, not disillusion but disillus, which means for things 155 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.600 to kind of begin to dissolve and loosen up, and 156 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.919 we start to get glimpses at what's underneath and what 157 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.840 we move from a what I think of is a 158 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.039 descending phase, which is we're descending into the body, into 159 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:11.279 the life, incarnating fully into the human identity. And then 160 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.120 what happens is we start shifting into what some believe 161 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:19.639 is an ascension phase. And this ascension phase is emergence 162 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:24.440 of the ground. It's emergence of the self. Now, when 163 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.600 the self begins to emerge and wants to begin to 164 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:36.039 have a central role in identity and in life, there 165 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.200 has to be an integrative process, and some would call 166 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.559 it reintegration. Okay, and this is what young talk a 167 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.240 great deal about. An individuation is individuation means to be undivided. 168 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.799 But what happens is we spend the first half of 169 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:57.120 our life dividing. Okay, we divide into many dimensions of 170 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:04.399 who we are. And and through this dividing process, we 171 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:10.879 actually become so alienated from self for a lot of reasons, 172 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:15.240 because the identity can't hold everything. And so what we're 173 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.039 doing in the second half of life is we're beginning 174 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.519 to recollect, not just memory. Recollection, that's part of it, 175 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.320 and that's why the remembering title is there, but we 176 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.480 start to remember and we start to recollect all of 177 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.919 the dimensions and pieces and parts of self that have 178 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:38.120 been split off and abandoned, and we start to move 179 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:43.080 toward an undivided state, Okay, which is what you would 180 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.960 many talk about is wholeness, and that's what individuation is. 181 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.679 It means to be undivided. 182 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:48.799 Okay. 183 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.159 My special guest on this week's Guys Guys Radio, doctor 184 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:53.200 Kenneth R. 185 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.080 Lacret's PhD. The book. 186 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.440 I'm holding it up right here for your YouTube and 187 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.480 Rumble viewers, Remembering Self Seasons of the soul rediscovered through 188 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:08.399 mystical experience and depth psychology. So this process and path 189 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:12.559 that you're describing, doctor, is this something that is specific 190 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.440 to our Western culture or is this a universal concept? 191 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.000 You know, it's definitely a universal concept because what we 192 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.159 we if you look collectively throughout history and you know, 193 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.519 independent of geography, what we saw during the period of 194 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.960 eight hundred BC to about five hundred you know AD, 195 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.440 is we saw what we call the first axial age. 196 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.879 And the first axial Age happened everywhere in the known 197 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:48.919 world at once. It was a very mysterious process. It's 198 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.519 when philosophy and religion started to emerge, and this was 199 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:57.159 the first step in the differentiation of the ego and 200 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.000 the kind of the birth of the ego from the 201 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:03.120 self where began to start. We began reflecting on ourselves. 202 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.039 So there was actually two dimensions. There's the ground of 203 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:09.600 being and there's the reflecting ego, which is an extension 204 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.080 of this ground to being. Was born from this ground 205 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.080 to being, and it's what some would call an organ 206 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:20.039 of the psyche and so being the first stage. What 207 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:26.000 we've seen throughout Western civilization in particular, is we've seen 208 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:31.879 constant differentiation up until the period of about nineteen hundred, 209 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.000 where collectively we were going through the same process of 210 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.600 this differentiation that we now go through in the first 211 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:44.480 half of life. Okay, so this was happening everywhere all 212 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:51.080 at once, and so different cultures looked at this differentiation 213 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.759 and this separation from unity differently. They had different names 214 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.519 for it, they had different processes. But I think that 215 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:05.039 Eyung and the Western you know, movement of psychology, which 216 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.360 really began during the nineteen hundreds and the twentieth century, 217 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.440 was I think, you know, an attempt to make our 218 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:17.519 way back through through the consulting room, you know, through 219 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:21.240 the clinic, through the ground of who we are. Now. 220 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.799 Other religions have done that through Buddhism has done that 221 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.159 through meditation. Other religions have had many different ways. Yoga, 222 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.840 the Yoga tradition had different their way of making their 223 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.919 way back to the ground of being. In the West, 224 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.279 we have looked at it from from kind of a 225 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.080 psychiatric and psychological point of view, where we see it 226 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.240 as a clinical process to make our way back to 227 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:47.919 this unity. 228 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.240 So it sounds like, you know, since all the cultures 229 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.720 go through the same thing, and from my perspective, we're 230 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:00.519 given roles. We're given a narrative by our culture, which 231 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.000 basically is, as kind of you described, you're a student 232 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.240 at a certain age and then you're the worker and 233 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.720 you're learning things, and that creates some type of ego 234 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.679 comfort for us. A vessel starts to get filled up. 235 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.000 But then it can become too much because we're relying 236 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.720 on the narrative to define who we are. There must 237 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.639 be a balance there that we can find. So instead 238 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.000 of waiting until you're eldering, if you will, to figure 239 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.039 all of this out, or having that life changing incident 240 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.759 happen that you start to look at things differently. What 241 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.799 can people do on their path so they don't fall 242 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:43.039 victim and quotes to the narrative and can be who 243 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.480 they want to be yet kind of blend in with 244 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:47.240 the culture. 245 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.960 That's a beautiful question because when you think about balance, 246 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.120 in some ways you have to defer to the psyche 247 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.519 and how it provides that balance. You know, we could say, gee, 248 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.840 I want that balance. But what happens is during the 249 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.480 midlife process and transition. You know, the psyche is trying 250 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.879 to restore balance. And what it does is as the 251 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:19.519 self naturally starts emerging or I should say re emerging consciously. 252 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:25.120 Then what happens is if the identity or the ecoidentity 253 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:29.440 is too rigid, it presents itself every effort for the 254 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.320 psyche to reconnect again. You know, we're talking about recollection, 255 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.519 We're talking about reconnection. It presents itself in modern day 256 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:43.000 as symptoms. So during Freud's era, there are particular types 257 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:47.559 of symptoms that were presented. Today we see other kinds 258 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:51.759 of symptoms. Everybody has anxiety, everybody has depression. You know, 259 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:56.440 everybody's diagnosing themselves. But basically, what these symptoms are is 260 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:01.799 the psyche's attempt to commute indicate to the you know, 261 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:05.799 the egoic identity that there is something, there's a need 262 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:11.919 for reconnection. And so what happens is people are oftentimes 263 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.440 overwhelmed by these symptoms. They come in, they know if 264 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.320 they're ignored, they present themselves physically after a while. This 265 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.720 is what Freud called symptom compromises. In other words, what 266 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:27.720 happened is, rather than coming up in direct awareness, it 267 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.799 makes a compromise and it presents maybe as a chronic illness. 268 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.200 And so we look at these symptoms, and you know, 269 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:46.000 modern day medicine psychology oftentimes interprets these symptoms very concretely, 270 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.000 and they try to address them. They try to ameliorate 271 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.559 the symptoms. They try to treat the symptoms rather than 272 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.480 understanding I think what Young understood, and I think what 273 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:01.440 many mystics understand, which is this is to sell process 274 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:05.480 of emergence and communication from a deeper layer to the 275 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:10.839 psyche that maybe we don't understand very well. And it 276 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:16.160 is attempting to integrate and to expand into consciousness. And 277 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:20.960 if we don't have methodologies to midwife this expansion and 278 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.920 this integration, what happens is it stays very much at 279 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:29.799 the symptomatic level. It doesn't really begin to manifest as 280 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.200 conscious change and transformation. 281 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.200 So how can we help the next generations coming up 282 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.000 so they don't have to mirror the same path and 283 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.000 the problems along the path of challenges? Is there a 284 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.680 way to kind of work around these things? Can we 285 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.319 teach the kids today not to fall victim to You know, 286 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.279 they need, they need to be part of the culture. 287 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.039 But you know, this was saying, like, you watch too 288 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.279 much news. If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. 289 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.960 If you watch the news, your missin form. So how 290 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.920 do we teach our young people to be able to 291 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:06.960 come up in a way that's different than what we 292 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.559 didn't be able to kind of identify who they are 293 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.480 and what's important at an earlier stage versus kind of 294 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.079 the boomers. Now some of them don't don't even get 295 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.359 it now because they're still I mean, listen, some people 296 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.960 can still enjoy working their traditional corporate jobs in their seventies. 297 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:24.960 They like to do that. That's fine, but it. 298 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.759 Seems to be more than that. It seems to be 299 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:27.839 a self identifier. 300 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.599 Well, do you mind if I go deeper? Than the question. 301 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:35.319 Sure is that? Okay, yeah, absolutely, So you know we 302 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:40.839 are we're entering what some would call a second axial age. Okay, 303 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.759 the first axial age was twenty five hundred years ago. 304 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.640 We're actually entering the second axial age. And what this 305 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.599 is is it's an ascension phase. Okay, what we're talking 306 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:57.279 about with emergence, and so it requires a different model, 307 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.920 a different way of thinking. And so what I would 308 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.440 say about this about this time is it's a little 309 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:09.839 bit like changing uh, you know, Copernicus's view that you know, 310 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.559 the Sun revolved around the Earth, you know, and the 311 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:18.680 Galileo took forward, you know, and shifting the heliocentric view. 312 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.440 And I think in some ways we have a kind 313 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:27.440 of an egocentric view psychology, you know, psychology has been 314 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.039 you know, it's it's starts at the ego and it 315 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:35.079 works down. So it's we we begin there. We we 316 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:39.359 need a view that's more self centric, okay. And so 317 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.640 I think this the axial the second axial age, is 318 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.400 bringing us into a you know, kind of a new 319 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.079 myth you know, which you don't called the myth of individuation, 320 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:57.319 which is a more self involved view. And that our 321 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:01.799 process is is not is to support the ego. It's 322 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.000 not just to uh continue to do what we can 323 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:10.279 to you know, to augment our coping with with many 324 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.480 you know, toxic conditions that we're in, but to actually 325 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:19.759 begin to use technologies they connect us directly with self 326 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.400 and nurture, encourage and midwife this integration. And there's a 327 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.240 lot that's going on in that regard. But again it 328 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.240 requires a new model, a new kind of psychology, and 329 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.680 a new kind of thinking. And so I think we're 330 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.640 even going beyond the Jungian thinking. You know, we've we've 331 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:44.480 had excuse me, we we we've seen trans personal psychology emerge, 332 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:49.319 which goes even further beyond young into what some people 333 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.799 call the unit unitive dimension. We see integrative or uh 334 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:02.839 psychedelic integrated psychotherapy that's emerging is a very very powerful 335 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.920 force in both both healing, awakening and therapy. And within 336 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.559 the frame of what some people would call depth psychotherapy, 337 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:17.880 we're also seeing you know, what some would call, you know, 338 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:22.680 quantum approaches, because there are many that believe that the 339 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:29.240 self or the unitary dimension is actually a quantum dimension. 340 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.799 It operates on a very different physics than the ego. 341 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:35.960 You know. I mean, from my point of view, the 342 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.119 ego and the way we think about it operates much 343 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:42.680 more from the old Newtonian model, which is a deterministic, 344 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.279 very linear model as you move into the union model. 345 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.400 And this is something that your viewers may find very interesting, 346 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:55.039 is that Jung was actually a contemporary of Einstein and 347 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.799 Wolfgang Pauli, and he used to have dinners with Einstein, 348 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.119 and this was between two thousand or nineteen hundred and 349 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.920 eight and nineteen hundred and twelve, and they would talk 350 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.640 a great deal about the theory of relativity and its 351 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:14.640 relationship to what he called synchronicity. And synchronicity from the 352 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:21.640 Jungian view, is really looking at the causal relationship, but 353 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:26.480 he called it a causal not causal, the relationship between 354 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.119 consciousness and matter. And this is what the physicists are 355 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.319 talking about with quantum entanglement at this point. So you're 356 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:40.960 seeing quantum therapies, you know, the regression hypnotherapies that are 357 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:46.319 connecting people on deep levels with this quantum field. You know, 358 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:50.799 it's very similar to the psychedelic therapies. There's energy, body work, 359 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:54.400 there's a lot of different approaches that are coming into 360 00:22:55.240 --> 00:23:00.519 the clinical field that I use very integratively in my practice. 361 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.680 I have a village of practitioners that I bring in 362 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.200 to assist me, assist me in opening up this quantum 363 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.799 field and then helping me to do the integration in 364 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:15.839 a psychotherapeutic process. So it's a different model of thinking. 365 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:17.559 That's fantastic. 366 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.519 Okay, my special guest once again, doctor Kenneth Lackritz the 367 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:28.599 book Remembering Self. So in the book you blend uh spirituality, psychology, mythology, 368 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.799 and personal development. Why was important to kind of bridge 369 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:32.400 all those. 370 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:38.160 Worlds because all of those worlds are the psyche. You know, 371 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.039 I think what we've done is we've artificially separated them 372 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.799 into metaphysics. And you know, in physics and psychology and 373 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:53.839 metapsychology and spiritual psychology, they're not separate. They are just 374 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:58.160 different fields of consciousness. And one of the great unions, 375 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:02.880 Eric Neuman, who was protegee of Viewings, looked at the 376 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:08.440 psyche as encompassing three basic fields. And one field is 377 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.799 the physical reality field, the other the archetypal field, and 378 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:17.440 the third the unitary reality field. Now what happens is, 379 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.400 you know, as we go back to what I was 380 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.599 discussing earlier. In the first half of life is all 381 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:27.559 of these fields become separated, they become differentiated, and we 382 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:33.559 become actually alienated from the archetypal and the unitary reality field. 383 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.400 But they're all part of the of the psyche. There's 384 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.240 nothing that isn't self. There's nothing that isn't psyche. But 385 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.599 we think we are in the physical reality field and 386 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:49.039 we think that's us and we think that's the endpoint. Okay, 387 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:54.000 So this book brings into a unified model and a 388 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:58.079 unified way of thinking all of the fields in a 389 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:02.039 way that hopefully talks about that has just differentiated parts 390 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.240 of the oneness, the unity, And so I felt it 391 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:11.119 was extremely important to show how during the lifespan this unfolds, 392 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.039 and then in the second half of life, how it 393 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.839 starts to come back together again. You see, we dlink 394 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:21.240 or we never d link. Let me correct it. We're 395 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.440 always linked, we're just unconsciously linked. And then the second 396 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.319 half of life we have an opportunity to consciously relink. 397 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:37.480 And this is an incredibly important part of the unfolding. 398 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.079 During the seasons of life and the lifespan, these are 399 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.599 the opportunities in windows that open up. 400 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:43.720 Now. 401 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.359