WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:12.720 Don't be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. 2 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.800 Let's do this for February twenty six, twenty twenty five. 3 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:17.879 For the next hour or so, let me help you 4 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:20.519 sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings 5 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:23.719 Live with me Jeff grub Today, what is next for 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.719 Warner Brothers after its closure of a storied game studio, 7 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.879 and should we expect more Silent Hill remakes? But first, 8 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:33.079 please join me and welcoming today's co host to Game 9 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.920 Mess Mornings. It's Jason Finelli. Everybody, Jason, how are you doing. 10 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.159 I am doing pretty good. My voice is finally back 11 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.840 from the beginning of the month. I just want to 12 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:45.039 point at this hat real quick, get it out of 13 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:45.520 my system. 14 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:46.280 Dy. 15 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.079 Things are good. Things are things are working. 16 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.840 We've moved on the NFL. Combiness is getting ready. We 17 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.439 don't have to talk about your team anymore. 18 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:55.600 Yes, we do. They want to ban my tush push. 19 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.920 They that would be bad. That's such a good football play. 20 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:02.560 It is such a good football play. And it is 21 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:03.640 a football play. 22 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:04.480 You know who it is? 23 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.719 This we can we can kind of come together on. 24 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.400 Oh it's the Packers. 25 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:10.599 Yeah, the Packers are the ones that are winding and 26 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:12.400 they get they whind so much. 27 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.680 Yeah, they're they want to they want to say stuff 28 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.719 like were the nfcs like New England Patriots or whatever, 29 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.719 And it's like the New England Patriots, for as bad 30 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.599 as they were, actually didn't wind as much as you do. 31 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.920 So no, you are the NFC's Green Bay Packers, a 32 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:33.599 bunch of whitey sacks of poo poo poo. Yeah, hey, Jason, 33 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.120 I am I have been continue to be very happy 34 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.799 for you and your Eagles. That team by the end 35 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.640 was looking like a super Bowl team, and boy they 36 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:43.879 played like it in the Super Bowl. 37 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.159 So that's gotta gotta be real nice. 38 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.439 And I read an article from a local blog here 39 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.640 that I think summed it up perfectly in twenty eighteen, 40 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.480 when Nick Foles led us to the title against the Patriots. 41 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.879 That was for the longtime fans. That was the one 42 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.159 for the people who have been suffering with the fan 43 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.400 base their entire life. This one was for the children. 44 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.759 This one was Yeah, this one was the one where 45 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.719 I got to drive down my my main thoroughfare in 46 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:15.599 my suburban neighborhood with the windows down blasting Bluey's Dance Mode, 47 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.560 because that's what the kids picked. Of course I five 48 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.240 and people out of the window. It was for them 49 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.319 and now it's there. They just they talk about it 50 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.199 a lot. That was how how much fun it was 51 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.800 and how they they hope they win the Super Bowl 52 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:28.520 every year. And I said, yo, pump the brakes kid, 53 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:33.280 You'll learn real quick about works. But but yeah, it was, 54 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.879 it was. It was real neat. I'm very uh, still 55 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.639 kind of wrapping my head around the fact that it happened, 56 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.919 even though my bank account for NFL shop dot com says. 57 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.719 Yes, it's definitely, definitely, yes, absolutely you were. You were 58 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.240 in Chicago recently did that magic the gathering thing? 59 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.039 Uh, ch Chicago's cold. 60 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:57.120 Yeah, that's all weird. 61 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.560 But but yeah, I'd only been there one time before fourteen. 62 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.000 I went for to visit family who was working out there. 63 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.439 I love that city, man, I was there. It was 64 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.520 me Joe Bradford, editor in chief of MMORPG fantastic Dude, 65 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.120 and mister John Carson Nasty Boy with them. Yes, that's 66 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:15.800 that's one of the boys. Yeah, we were. We were 67 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.000 playing games and uh and checking out some some some 68 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.240 new cards that the Final Fantasy set definitely has people 69 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:26.439 going nuts. Got a great interview regarding that coming out 70 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.199 soon on game Spot. Just waiting for a couple of 71 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.879 things to happen. I spoke to lead game designer and 72 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.280 then one of the vps for the collaboration effort that 73 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:36.280 they have there, Very very good stuff there. But yeah, 74 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.120 I played some played some magic, had some fun. Just 75 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.360 got it. Was it overnight, got there Saturday morning, and 76 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.280 flew back Sunday night. Uh. I love those things if 77 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.120 you're if you're ever tangentially interested. Uh, Magic cons They 78 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.240 they're doing a good job, and they're getting better. I 79 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.560 feel like they're they're they're starting to get their feet 80 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.039 under them. As far as organization is concerned, especially from 81 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.080 a media perspective, I thought this one, uh compared to 82 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.680 Vegas and Vegas was pretty well organized, was even more. 83 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:06.039 So excellent, fantastic. Yeah, I got a. 84 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.199 Quick trip I'm gonna do this week, and I'm jaunting 85 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.159 down to Columbus to go see the outdoor Red Wings game. 86 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:11.879 I like those like I'm just gonna go, I'm just 87 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.120 gonna go do something real quick in another city and 88 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.920 then come back basically the same day or the next day. 89 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:18.519 I like those kinds of trips. It's fine. 90 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:19.839 I'm like I got to do something fun and then 91 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.240 I'm back home where my stuff is. 92 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.720 That's right. Yeah, Like once in a while there'll be 93 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.040 something in New York. I can just drive it for 94 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.319 the day two hours. Yeah, sure, the thing and then 95 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.720 come back. It's awesome. What I prefer them to do 96 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.680 do these things in Philly, Yes, but I'll take it. 97 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.680 I'll take absolutely all right, let's explain what we do 98 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.000 here most weekdays, I, Jeff Grubb, will help piece your 99 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.839 gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe 100 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.160 even some of our own original reporting. You know, I'm 101 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:45.639 gonna stop here and all some point out. Hey, if 102 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.560 you're watching live and you're like, wait, what is going on? 103 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.800 We are doing this at a different time. Things are 104 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.079 changing a little bit. But it's just like, so we 105 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.079 could do more stuff kind of back to back here 106 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.519 on Giant Bomb with the help of game Spot. 107 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:58.439 There's some folks over there. We're gonna kind of collaborate 108 00:04:58.480 --> 00:04:59.319 a little bit more. 109 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.319 You like, share our resources. There's more to come on 110 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:02.839 all of that. 111 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:03.480 This show. 112 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.399 We'll be getting a name change soon. It'll be like 113 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.759 new art, new music, all that stuff. But yeah, it's 114 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.920 still gonna be this show, still gonna work this way, 115 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.680 I will say, if I seem more engaged, it's because 116 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:16.600 I'm not running the show chands running the show. 117 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:19.439 Now, Yeah, it's weird. 118 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.199 I'm like, I don't know what to do with my hands, 119 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:22.680 so I'm just gonna keep them up the whole time 120 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:22.959 like this. 121 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:24.639 But let's continue with the intro. 122 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:26.399 For all these topics, I'll get the input of a 123 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.000 bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If 124 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.600 you were watching live on twitch welcome, You can always 125 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.959 listen to the show later on podcast feeds by searching 126 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.160 for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant 127 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.480 bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later 128 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.639 with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. 129 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:43.560 Hello YouTube. 130 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:44.920 All right, we have a lot to get into, so 131 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.000 let's start the Morning Mess with Warner Brothers cancels Wonder 132 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.439 Woman game and shuts down Shadow of Mordor Studio. 133 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.800 Jason. We talked about this on the BombCast. 134 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.600 Yesterday a little bit, but there's there's a little bit 135 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.959 more info here. We might as well go over what happened. 136 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.240 This is, like I said, than goatcha. Kotaku Monolith Productions 137 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.680 revealed it was making a Wonder Woman game back In 138 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.720 twenty twenty one, now publisher Warner Brothers Games has announced 139 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.439 that the project has been canned and the studio best 140 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.439 known for Middle Earth Shadow of War is being shut 141 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.560 down as well as part of larger cuts. The shakeup 142 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:21.079 comes after twenty twenty fourth Suicide Squad bombed and platform 143 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.920 fighter multiverses failed to make a comeback. The news, first 144 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.560 reported by Bloomberg, was confirmed by Warner Brothers Games in 145 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.879 a statement provided to Kataku over email. 146 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:30.800 We've had to. 147 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.639 Make some very difficult decisions to structure our development studios, 148 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.800 says the statement, and investments around building the best games 149 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.920 possible with our key franchises. That includes Harry Potter, Mortal 150 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.040 Kombat DC, and Game of Thrones. After careful consideration, Player 151 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.759 First Games and Warner Brothers Games San Diego. 152 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.079 Which was a new studio Newish. This is a. 153 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.000 Strategic change in direction and not a reflection of these 154 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.839 teams or the talent that consists within them. 155 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.079 But parentheses still go to hell all the people that. 156 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.560 Work there, all right, Yeah, So let's kind of do 157 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.519 the initial like feed or reaction here of Warner Brothers 158 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.920 closing these studios. I got to say, Jason, the writing 159 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.639 had been on the wall four years now for this 160 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:14.720 stuff because Warner Brothers shopped these studios around multiple times 161 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:17.680 to sell them off to external parties, and they were 162 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.240 never able to make that happen. And it's like, well, 163 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.160 they clearly don't want to own these studios, but no 164 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.399 one wants to buy them without getting the IP, which 165 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.040 continues to be that was with a hang up for 166 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.279 all those deals, was, Hey, that you want to sell 167 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.600 me a studio that's working on Batman stuff and all 168 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:32.240 this other stuff. 169 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:33.759 Can we have Batman too? 170 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:34.240 Well? 171 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:34.959 No, of course not. 172 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.600 So when they weren't able to sell them, it's like, okay, 173 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.959 so as soon as they kind of find a moment 174 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.560 where they're at their lowest, they're probably just going to 175 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.439 shut these things down. And here we are. And the 176 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.319 fact that we were able to see this coming for 177 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:54.519 years and they weren't able to manage themselves. 178 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:55.839 Out of it speaks to the deep. 179 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.519 Mismanagement in this company and in this industry at large, 180 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.879 and at boy. It just continues to suck that it 181 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.879 can happen to a studio like Monowith Productions, a company 182 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:09.720 that's had so many interesting and awesome games over thirty 183 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.120 years and you know, David Zaslov and then the people 184 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.800 below him that were running w B Games who reportedly 185 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.439 did a very poor job according to everyone who's ever 186 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:19.920 talked about it. 187 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:20.639 It stinks. 188 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.439 It stinks. Yeah, there's really no other way. I mean, 189 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.600 that's call up Jay Sherman from the nineties, the critic 190 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.959 show it. It stinks. I don't mean I'm trying to 191 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.200 add some levity for sure, in all honesty, I don't know. 192 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.440 With the new gamespotch im bomb thing with the profanity. 193 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:40.799 Rule is well, we're going to try not to say 194 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:42.840 the F word as much, but I will continue to fail. 195 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.840 Okay, screw David zazz Lab there you go, and screw 196 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.440 hadad V underneath him. The only thing you need to 197 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.879 see that really explains the impact of this is to 198 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.679 find people who worked there on social media. Blue Sky 199 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.879 specifically is where I was seeing them and just seeing 200 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.240 how as stated they were that the world is not 201 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.799 going to see this Wonder Woman game. Multiple people saying 202 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.039 we were working on something special, this was going to 203 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.960 be great. We were so excited to show it to you. 204 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:16.120 And because this idiot and his little cronies underneath him 205 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.679 don't know a video game from their ass from a 206 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.320 hole in the ground. Now here we are with dozens 207 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.960 of people, probably hundreds of people out of a job. 208 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.200 It's funny. Last time I was on this show, we 209 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.840 talked about the mismanagement of multiverses, right, because that it 210 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:32.399 was right when they announced that they were going to 211 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:37.559 be shutting that down in May. So that is now 212 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.399 probably a pretty good test case as to the whole 213 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.480 of WB games. Honestly, at this rate, the only thing 214 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.279 I would be confident with them doing is licensing their IP. 215 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:54.240 I have no confidence in internal Warler Brothers games anymore, 216 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.399 and I hope that somebody can come in and purchase 217 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.679 some of these other studios with the IP and get 218 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.679 them out of there. Nether Realm is first in my 219 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.039 head because I'm a fighting game guy. 220 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:06.840 Nether Realm will would be able to like be the 221 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.480 one that could pull that off, right, because you can 222 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:13.360 see Warner Brothers being like, well, okay, video game first franchise, 223 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.080 we will sell that IP along with Nether Realm. And 224 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.120 whether that's Nether Realm by buying themselves out or getting 225 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:24.360 sold to another corporation, that seems possible, although it also 226 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:24.799 feels like. 227 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.000 If that could have happened. It probably would have happened. 228 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.039 But would have happened already. But it doesn't. It doesn't know. 229 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:32.720 It doesn't help that their last two games are compared 230 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.639 to like Mortal Kombat X and twenty fifteen is when 231 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.720 it should have happened right after that. It's sort of 232 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:40.919 like Mortal komb At eleven was fine. 233 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.639 It made a lot of money, and Mortal Kombat eleven 234 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:44.759 made a ton of money. 235 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.159 Sure, sure, sure, if I'm from a quality perspective, sure 236 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:49.080 right now, but. 237 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.919 That the next game, Mortal Kombat one, paid for that quality, 238 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.159 Like that's the one that was like also a kind 239 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.559 of mid in the opinion of a lot of fighting 240 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.960 game fans, and then also didn't make the money that 241 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.000 Mortal Kombat eleven. 242 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.240 And they're already saying that it's done after this next DLC. 243 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.919 I think T one thousand, Robert Patrick is it? If 244 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.159 that's the case, now, I'm on another realm watched to 245 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.679 make sure that they're okay, because what are they working on? 246 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:12.159 We don't know? 247 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.000 Yeah, I mean, so we got that story. I think 248 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.120 this We also talked about this during the BombCast. I 249 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.559 think if not, it was a game of mornings earlier 250 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:25.399 this week that the the DCU people, James Gunn and 251 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.480 Peter Saffron that were like, hey, we had good conversations 252 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.240 with rock Steady and Nether Realm. 253 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.039 And then immediately right right immediately right after that. 254 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.399 Is when they announced and then also, don't worry or 255 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.039 worry these other studios are getting shut down. 256 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:39.960 So it's like, okay, you could see. 257 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.120 That right and in this moment they're like, well, we're 258 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.120 gonna give rock Steady another chance. We're gonna give another Realm, 259 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.200 you know, not another chance for you know, those games. 260 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.799 They didn't perform as well and they weren't as good, but. 261 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.679 The Nether Realm's stole. The Nether Rooms not at risk 262 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.919 of closing down in this moment. But you get the 263 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:57.879 sense of like they could be working their way toward 264 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.919 that if they if the line keeps going down. But 265 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.440 in the meantime, seems like they might be working on 266 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.840 some dc stuff, an Injustice success or something that might 267 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.840 be like those games, but maybe ties in a little 268 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.519 bit more to the current slate of films, because that 269 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.639 seems something that they keep saying that they're interested in. 270 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:16.679 We'll see if they're able to pull that off. That's 271 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.759 a high degree of difficulty getting movies and games to 272 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:19.519 work together. 273 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.879 These days, right, Yes, I would say it's nigh impossible 274 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.720 most of the time. The license games that are the 275 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.639 best are the ones that are standalone. Indiana Jones comes 276 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.720 to mind. I don't know. I mean, I would hate 277 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.480 to see if they were to go back to Mortal 278 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.399 Kombat it be related to the movies. I kind of 279 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.120 like that they're their own thing, definitely. Yeah. 280 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:38.679 Sure. 281 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.720 And then if well, here's the thing though, if James 282 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:45.840 Gunn can get nether realm involved on the ground floor 283 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.039 of what he's trying to build, and then they build 284 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:51.759 a video game sort of tangentially based on that, maybe 285 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.919 its own story where he has input or or something 286 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.799 like that that I might be able to get behind. 287 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:59.360 I agree, that sounds good. 288 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.879 Sounds okay with me. Whether it's Injustice or whether it's 289 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.960 called something else. That it's just a fighting game with 290 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.840 DC characters, what have you. But nothing I could dream 291 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:16.080 up in my head removes the dread of the Zaslav effect. Yeah, 292 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.440 the Hadad effect, and that will always be there for 293 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.879 as long as these companies work for Warner Brothers Games, 294 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.720 And it's a Monolith Man. People talk about the legacy 295 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:32.120 of Monoliths, and they are not wrong. Thirty years and 296 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:39.200 a full portfolio of classic fan loved games. Unfortunately, with 297 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.320 these two dipshits, it never mattered. There. These are the 298 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.440 guys who are still calling video games Nintendo oh yes. 299 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.600 Saying oh yeah, I mean they don't even understand movies 300 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.399 their primary business. Well, of course, there's no chance that 301 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.919 they're going to understand no gaming. And you know the evidence, 302 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.360 the proof of that is in the putting of the 303 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.440 things that they say, their actions. 304 00:13:59.480 --> 00:13:59.879 For sure. 305 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:04.080 This is the company that made Harry Potter Hogwarts Legacy, 306 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.720 and Hogwarts Legacy did very well, continues to be one 307 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.960 of the best selling games every month, at least in 308 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:14.879 the United States, but I think globally and their reaction 309 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.279 to that is publicly at least two investors, well we're 310 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.120 gonna do the next Harry Potter game might be a 311 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:20.840 live service game. 312 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.159 What are you talking about? And then. 313 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.919 There was a leaked email that was sent internally following 314 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:33.159 these closures from a Discovery head of Global Streaming and Games, JB. 315 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.120 Peret. 316 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.799 Polygnon published parts of the letter. He said that the 317 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.759 teams need to or the team needs to regain our 318 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.200 credibility and swagger at producing great games, and blame blamed. 319 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.159 Then he blamed current financial difficulties on the product market 320 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.559 fit and quality of too many of our new releases 321 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.159 of really missing the mark we need to and we'll 322 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.879 do better for our fans first and foremost, and also 323 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.679 because we're gaining that credibility is critical to us securing 324 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:00.840 even more investment in game in the years to come. 325 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.919 Getting our swagger back happens one quality game release at 326 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.200 a time, and our financial credibility gets rebuilt, one fiscal 327 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.279 quarter at a time, delivering what we said would we would. 328 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.039 Deliver and no big negative surprises. 329 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.919 He also described a strategy going forward as fewer games, 330 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.559 but bigger and I got it. I mean to me, 331 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.120 that's what got you into this mess, right is yes? 332 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:24.000 I mean I. 333 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:25.639 Suppose like that in their mind, like well, like that 334 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.720 Quidditch game really ruined us, that you know that was 335 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.000 too small and didn't matter, And it's like, ohh is 336 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.000 that really what we're saying here? To me, it seems 337 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.879 like having rock Steady build a game for a very 338 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:38.679 long time that no one cared about. 339 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.600 That seemed to be the issue big and few. 340 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.600 So you're going back to your point of having very 341 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.639 little faith in Warner Brothers to be able to guide 342 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.159 these studios out of whatever situation that they're in. 343 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.120 I'm right there with you. Yeah. 344 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.080 I mean, this guy used swagger in his email more 345 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:57.679 than once. That's all I need to say right here, 346 00:15:57.879 --> 00:15:59.759 kind of like, come on, man, you're not you're not 347 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.639 play in sports. You're not talking about trying to get 348 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:05.840 your sports team back in the thing. Jesus Christ. I 349 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.440 just it's so disheartening, and I mean it's it's a 350 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.799 it's just to late a symptom of a larger issue. Right. 351 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:13.840 This is basically the kind of story we've been talking 352 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:15.919 about for two years now, just in different places. It 353 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.639 just so happens to be one that we saw coming 354 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.840 a mile away, and we're just waiting for that second 355 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:25.440 shoe to drop it. God that I will now, I 356 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.720 would like, I can't wait. I hope maybe it's me 357 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.519 one day that I'll write the story. It won't be, 358 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.919 but hopefully some day it will be. I would love 359 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.720 to write a wonder Woman story to get that story, 360 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:36.360 to get to get that. I mean, I'm sure they're 361 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.960 ndaight at the wazoo. But when people stop caring and 362 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.440 they want to tell that story, I would love to 363 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.159 hear what went on in that studio for two years 364 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.399 and the absolute bullshit that they had to put up 365 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.759 with just to have their game canned. It's it's it's infuriating, yep. 366 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:54.320 Absolutely infuriating. YEP. 367 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.320 I mean it just goes back to them wanting to 368 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.320 make a Wonder Woman game kind of probably across the board, 369 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.639 but the udo and the publisher, but the publisher's reasoning 370 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.240 and being like that movie was a hit, and then 371 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.000 the second movie stinks, and now now Wonder Woman feels 372 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.880 like it's very in a very similar position to where 373 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.599 Suicide Squad was after that first movie when they were 374 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:14.519 working on that game, and it's like no one cared 375 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.000 about this or the franchise has a taint to it 376 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.279 because of the most widely popular available media being something 377 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.279 that people are kind of feeling bad about, and it's like, God, 378 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:28.640 you kind of this is why you kind of can't 379 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.920 tie these games to something that's going on with the movies, 380 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.759 because the people's movies taste change every three, five, six, 381 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.000 seven years, and that's how long it takes to make 382 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.799 a game. So you are going to continually find yourself 383 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.319 in this situation that you keep going down that road, 384 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.279 and it's like you would have been better off kind 385 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.279 of choosing a different DC character and re establishing it 386 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.759 in gaming, separate from anything that's happening with the movies. 387 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.480 And I think, honestly a lot of us were saying 388 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.640 that at the time, both definitely for Suicide Squad, maybe 389 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.000 less so for a Wonder Woman, uh, but definitely for 390 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:01.880 Suicide Squad. 391 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.920 So mis management across the board. Uh. 392 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.440 And they're and the managers mostly still there. Yeah, so 393 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:10.839 I'm not expecting any anything different. 394 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.359 Get you. The people who dismiss they stay their jobs 395 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.480 on their over the hell and the we're grinding everyingle 396 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.720 day to make these things happen are now out on 397 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.079 the street. And it's just it's just like I infuriating 398 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:28.119 because I want to say, O're trying to keep it clean. 399 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.480 Uh, Chase, you're breaking up a little bit. I don't 400 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.920 know if it's Internet issues or something like that. Yeah, 401 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:34.920