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Speaker 1: Every answers in your step into the offend the powers
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the first installment of Bill Lightman or not. We've done
some other ones, but I just said to my guest Gina,
and I'm going to try the last thing. Pietro Poli
is it Pietro Poli that way, yeah, because I think
probably go Petropoly, But I don't think that's right Italian?
And what would that mean? Do do really Italian for me? Pietro? Wait,
say it again.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful, but we will not do that. Peteli, I'll
settle for what you said.
Speaker 1: Have you been back to Italy?
Speaker 2: We just got back.
Speaker 1: You did. Where'd you go?
Speaker 2: We went to Sorrento. We spent a lot of time
in Sorrento. We went to Rome. I mean we that's
kind of the two places where.
Speaker 1: You still have family in Italy.
Speaker 2: I do. My family is from Sicily, all from Sicily,
and I have a cousin that I'm in contact with
all the time.
Speaker 1: So you could have dual citizenship.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because they have pulled that. Who
did Italy didly? Italy is making it very difficult now,
so all these people that have spent all these people
that have spent thousands of dollars are like really upset now,
really low. Yeah, but now my daughter has talked about it.
She studied over there last year. You're supposed to meet
her there last year and the timing wasn't working, And
I'm so glad we waited a year because now my
whole family got to come and we had the best time.
But my next trip will be Sicily because I have
to explore it. That's like where I feel so rooted.
Speaker 1: You do, I do? Okay? And how many times you've
been back there?
Speaker 2: Off, I haven't, you haven't, Okay, this was my first
time there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to be there a lot.
Speaker 1: I hear great things about Italy. My brother studying in
England backpack that summer through Europe went down and got
into like a whole I think he got into a
mask with the pope and room and yeah, it was
just like to be in the audience and I somebody
said come back, we'll give you a ticket and whatever
it was. But yeah, it's very interesting. I'll properly introduce you.
You are a level three reiki healer.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: In addition to that, you have certifications as a crystal
reiki master and teacher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it. Yeah, I actually just wrote an ebook
for it. You did, so, yeah for it, like an
introduction to crystals, just to give a little bit of
a background and the basics. Because I have run into
so many people that say I love crystal so much
and they buy them, but they don't know what to
do with them. They don't know how to how do
I use them? How do I incorporate them into my
daily life?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So I just wrote it. It's very simple. It's like
eighteen pages and you can keep it as a file
on your computer. I printed it out and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Where do you get it?
Speaker 2: I printed out at Staples.
Speaker 1: No, but if I wanted to, like I keep someone
buy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's on my website. It's like on the first thing.
I have a link for it.
Speaker 1: What's the website for people to.
Speaker 2: Find www dot MBS Reikiwellness dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, NBS Reki Wellness dot com. Okay, and you can
find that there. Then I are you also training to
be already? Are quantum Reki?
Speaker 2: Okay? So I did like a level one Okay, and
I use it?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use that a lot for like physical illness.
That's where I'm more drawn to using it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm still like trying to figure out where I'm
going next. It's I've been kind of in kind of
in thought like I need more more, I need more,
I need to go even deeper, like I just call
it energy healing. I call it it's so it's so hardly.
I feel like I'm in a box with a term
reiki because I do so okay, more than okay.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you're saying that, because okay.
Speaker 2: Now, once you start, yeah, if you're really doing this,
you're just you're you're outside of that reiki box like that.
That scratches the surface. For me.
Speaker 1: My experience with with reiki is my mom, and my
mom did do reiki on me and I for whatever reason,
like she said to me, boy, your head isn't as
busy as I thought, and I go, no, I got
a little maybe I'm dumb, I got an empty head.
But I meditate a lot and I can kind of
keep things. But when she was doing it, I started
to think there's some trauma in my life as a child,
and I started to think Mom's taking all the bad
stuff way. Gina. I started crying. Gina, I started crying.
I couldn't I couldn't stop. I went for fifteen minutes.
My mother finished up. I was going to drive back
to Rochester. She lives in Rhinebeck, New York, down by Uh,
what's the place down there? There's a oh, I'm going
to forget it. Well, I used to drive by all
the time and it's where a lot of healing things
go on. We do No, it's not Lily Dale, and
I'll think of it. And then she I had to sit.
She had me just sit. I wasn't even boohooing. It
was just tears that wasn't even it was just flowing
out of me. It wouldn't stop. It just wouldn't stop.
Speaker 2: Like I know how many people say that on my table,
I'm idea sobbing, like I don't even know why I'm crying. Release.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So I guess my first question to you
with with reiki, I guess we should find out more
what was your path to reiki yourself because a lot
of people, I think most of us, if you came
from a rooted Italian family and I came from a
very rooted Irish family, there's one thing in common, the
Catholic Church, right understand what I'm saying. Yeah, And not
that this is anything against that, because I don't think so.
I think it's something that should be in conjunction with.
But I think you would be looked at forgive my language,
but like a witch in a way. And I and
that's not true at all. I don't believe that in
my soul at all. But what was your introduction to that?
And how has that path been for you with family?
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even know how to answer
the question, because the path I have always, even as
a kid, I have always had encounters, yeah, with spirit?
Speaker 1: Okay, what what does that mean when you say encounters
with spirit?
Speaker 2: Things happen I knew as a young because I was
always attracted to things like to read and understand and
know about it. I'll give you an example. I might
have been in third or fourth grade and I was
down in my basement. I live in a very old house,
the house I grew up in very old, and we
had a chalkboard down there. I used to go down
and play school. And there was one evening I was
down there and I'm writing on the chalkboard and all
of a sudden, right in front of me. Now this
is like, nobody can sit here and tell me, oh,
it's your imagination. It was so clear cut. A face
of a man hanging upside down came right in front
of me. Scared me, like I literally dropped everything and
I ran upstairs. Okay, I would see things. I could
sense things. I used to hear when I was like,
in the middle of the night, I would hear almost
like a party going on down in my kitchen. And
I wasn't asleep because there was a couple times that
I got up out of bed to see if my
parents were down there. But it sounded like a party.
Speaker 1: Was happening, and I heard happy yes, yes.
Speaker 2: And I heard chairs moving, and it would be like
one o'clock in the morning. And then because right outside
of my bedroom, my parents were right and I'm like,
bet are in bed. And I was young. I used
to have all kinds of things, and I.
Speaker 1: Did you ever express this to your parents?
Speaker 2: I used to say little things, but.
Speaker 1: It's it was dismissed. You know.
Speaker 2: You know, our imaginations run wild. Sometimes give her back
to bed, that's what they did.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know there's times if I walk
in a room and I start like I would feel
really uncomfortable, cold, and I would feel like something's there,
and you know, so you know, now I'm in school
and when kids are you know, it's reading time. Okay,
we go to the library everybody's looking for, you know,
Charlotte's Web and Wizard of Us. I'm looking for ghost books. Okay.
I knew there was something more, and I really don't
know how I was brought to reiki. And I think
I had mentioned this before. I read one day it
was it's this this like blog that I read sometimes
and it was titled you don't find Reiki, Reiki finds you.
And I felt like it was a bridge to things
and to me understanding who I am and acknowledging it.
I was always very quiet, like my family kind they
always knew, they always knew that I had that, but
it was never discussed or talked about. And I kept
it to myself for so long because I don't know.
I just I don't feel like I have to make
everybody know, like as long as I know. Yeah, but
yet they would always like to talk to me about it.
Speaker 1: Surely would so privately with anybody else around.
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is, like I always remember the
stories of my mom growing up, and she talks about
it more and more. So I'm going to backtrack for
one second. You're wondering how my immediately immediate family and
my mom's ninety five. She's still alive. She's like a
fifty year old. Ok Oh, yeah, just her ninety five.
She loves what I do, and she is like, I
think there's a place in heaven for her. She's going
to be patronized as a Saint cras to. You know,
she's so dedicated to her faith and I am too.
That's the thing. I am deeply rooted in my faith
and this has made me grow stronger in my faith. Okay,
and my faith. I do feel there's a separation of
faith in church too, like I you know, I'm not
happy about some of the things that have happened, but
it doesn't shake my faith, like my faith is always there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my mom always used to tell us stories. You know,
she grew up, they grew up very poor and they
didn't have they didn't have money to go to a doctor.
And she used to say, in America or in America,
that's when we came here.
Speaker 1: Okay, is your mom first generation?
Speaker 2: She's first generation? Yeah. So she used to talk about
how they used to go to the witch doctor and
it so now that I know what this is, I said, Mom,
you know that's an energy healer, right, And they you know.
And it was tough for them too because they were
not looked at. They weren't looked upon, especially way back then.
But in my grandmother, who is very faithful. That's who
she took her kids to. And she said, Gina, she said,
she says, your grandmother has taken some of us, like
when we were very, very sick, she says, and I'm
telling you, we turned around in twenty four hours. She goes,
there's something to it. Yeah, And I said, there is,
so you know, I I'm over it with whoever sees me,
is you want to look at me, go ahead, look
at me as much. I'm so.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to say that term because I didn't
need people. I say the term because I was thinking
of like something that the church make. Here here's I
have a somewhat of a problem with religion, and I
had it as a young child when I figured out
that Henry the eighth just wanted to sleep with Queen
Anne or whoever was next in his list, but he
couldn't get his a divorce because he was in a
Catholic church or whatever it was. So he switched the
country to Protestantism, right, and so now England and the
United Kingdom go Protestant. Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland, where my
family's friend stays Catholic. My parents I was raised Catholic
till seven and then my father, one of the only
people I know who has ever done this, wrote a
letter of resignation to the Catholic Church with philosophical reasons
as to why always in my house the rule was
you had to go to church. I worked in radio
at nineteen. My shift was midnight to six in a
rock station, so midnight Saturday and to six o'clock Sunday morning,
I still had to get up and go to church.
That was the rule. It was a Protestant to not go.
Speaker 2: To church in my family anyway, right.
Speaker 1: And so the Protestant though my mom her dad would
not talk to her for a year because she became
Northern Ireland. And that's when I went, this is all bullshit.
We all believe in the same sort of thing, And
what are these rules that you're putting in place, and
is it about controlling people? And is there a bigger energy?
And was Jesus's message completely not completely, but misinterpreted to
some extent and manipulated in a way to sort of
control people I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we and we don't know. And that's the thing,
you know. I like to honor people where they're at, right.
Everybody has everybody has their own journey, and they can
believe what they want. And at the end of the day,
you have this this being. Yes, okay, there is a bigger, massive,
more bigger power than us. Okay, And then you have
all kinds of roads to get there. I would say,
there's not one road to anywhere. There's many roads to
get to the same place. And so to get to
the same place, okay, Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, we just call
it something different, and we have a different belief in
how we get there. And I honor that for people,
like if that's what everybody was raised. Everybody has a
different story growing up, so you know, my experiences are
not the same as somebody else's.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because as you say that is you know,
people go on, don't believe in anything, and I go, yeah,
but I didn't get up to I didn't get up
and turn on the sun today, and I didn't pull
a zip line out and rotate the earth. There's something
greater here. One of the things that I was in
absolute awe of Andy, and some of my friends even
poked fun at me. Was the eclipse. I loved the
eclipse even though it was a cloudy day here because
I did nothing for this, and I went, Wow, there's
something so beyond us, so much bigger than us. And
I think that you need to tap into that to
a certain degree. And that's where reiki probably, you know,
with the energy healing, and I'll talk about reiki, but
you can talk about just energy healing. I do wonder
with your relationship with both pain physical and emotional for
you personally, how has reiki kind of helped Does that
help you kind of navigate those things?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I I don't have a story of trauma or
anything like that, but you don't have to. Everybody we
have all and there were things that I knew I
needed to shed, okay, and I have. I am very
like I can tell when I'm not grounded, I'm all
over the place. Anxiety sets in. Like I'm a human.
I still have things that happen, but now I know
how to use my energy to disperse it and get
rid of it and to dispel it. And it works,
you know, and it's not psychosomatic. There is a change
in the feeling when when you feel that like something
has been lifted from you and you know, I here's
the thing, like, oh the religion thing, And it doesn't
make me crazy anymore because I know who I am.
And I'm also going to say, if somebody knows who
I am and they're going to put that on me,
then you don't know me, okay, I because I know
what I do. I can't even put the two in
the same room. It has one has nothing to do
with the other. There's no worshiping. You know, people think, oh,
do you worship crystal? No, like it's so it's so ignorant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are some of the misconceptions, Oh you worship crystals?
Speaker 2: You think that you can heal people? You know what,
I'm very upfront. I'm a conduit. Yes, I might know
how to teach you how to maneuver your energy and
how to manipulate your energy in a positive way. Yeah, okay,
But the person that's on the table, they're the ones
that are doing the work. Because people that are there's
people that come in that just they know they need
a rebalancing and that's it. But then there's people that
need longer term work, the people that really want to
see changes, that want to change the way their direction
of their life is going. They're doing all the work.
I'm doing nothing. They are healing themselves, okay, by shifting
their energy. They don't know how to do it right,
and that's what I'm there for. But I also send
them home with homework. And I said, it's the action
that's going to keep taking you to the next level.
I can't do the action for them.
Speaker 1: Is there? Would it be? I'll ask you this, This
is kind of a far out there sort of statement,
but I think that we are so much more than
these physical bodies. Yes, there are those that I've talked
to and I revect I'm going to say it wrong,
but the ancient Indian medicine water healing right, and the
doctor deep Sin and doctor Deeple say, it's amazing that
two percent of you fits and is all this is
only two percent of who you are. That there's a
bigger thing. And then there are those that say that
you choose to come here, and that you have signed
a contract somewhere with the universe or whatever, and that
the purpose of living your life on planet Earth is
to learn to manipulate energy. Now, I don't know. I
don't know. I mean I read a lot of stuff,
and I listen to a lot of people, and I
always take my own thing where you're talking about shedding
things and shedding your own energy and stuff. I find
myself because just like that, right, I can see myself
get a little scattered and I'm all over the place
and what's gonna happen and I have to just settle.
I can get my heart rate down at about forty
five beats a minute. I've had the EKG go off
with an alarm because it was so low. I can
like just but I it's a thing where you can
just go okay, and you realize that you're okay, and
it's here. I don't know what's happening in the world.
I went to Buffalo Bill's training camp. They are grounding
the players. They're having the players take off their socks
and shoes and walk on the grass barefoot. They're grounding them.
I don't know if anybody else's noticing that or not.
But if you go to Buffalo Bill's training camp, or
if you watch any of these watch hard knocks, I'm
sure there'll be something the physical trainers are having the
players walk. Why because it's grounding and that everything we've
sort of been I don't know if you agree with
this or not, but the way we've been trained to live,
grind it out, work real hard. I'm not saying that
those aren't gonna get you there. Like you said, there's
many paths, right, but there's easier paths, yes, right. That
you need a four wheel drive for the grind it out,
you might just need front wheel drive for the more
energetic path. And the manipulation of the energy and rising
to a higher frequency, which is all things I believe
reiki helps you do.
Speaker 2: It does, and that's that's it. In a nutshell, your
your go. It helps you to rise to a higher
consciousness so that you can go within because all of
our answers are within. We have all of the answers, right, Yeah,
And it does. I've always had the spiritual connection. I
can't speak for someone that's never had it and then
they developed it. I've always had it, and it has
gotten stronger and I'm still, you know, leveling up. You know,
people are coming to me, if people are ever coming
to me thinking, you know, oh, I want to get
like a saying no, I'm not a psychic. Yeah, I am,
just I get the messages that people need to hear.
You might come to a session and get a million messages.
You might come to the next one and get nothing.
I don't look for things. I let it come and
it comes the way it's supposed to. And you know,
recently in my sessions now I'm starting to get names
and you know.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely when you're with people.
Speaker 2: Starting to level up a little bit. But like I can't.
I'm not somebody that can walk in a room and start,
you know, getting messages from spirit. I am. That's not
me now I can walk in a room and start
getting messages about things. I try to stay away from that,
like I try to block it.
Speaker 1: May I ask or do you not want to mention
what that would be? Is it bad? Like if you
walk it.
Speaker 2: Around nothing it's never it's never bad. It's just I
know when something's going I can sense sometimes when something's
going on with somebody. It happened a few months back
and I came home and I said, I made a comment.
I can't say specifically what it was, And my kids
are like, Mom, like, where are you getting that? From
and I says, I don't know, my sister's waiting. See,
And a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Later, really, wow, like remember you said that?
Speaker 2: And I said yeah, they're like you were right. I said, yeah,
I know, I was. So I try not to read
people like I and I don't. I don't intentionally walk
into a place with friends or family and try to read.
But sometimes, you know, I can't stop what's coming in,
and I'm just like, that's not my business.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, that's not my business. It's not for me to
worry about.
Speaker 1: No, But you're you're would you say you're almost empathic
in a way that you can feel people, I'm yeahthic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, as a kid, I was emotional as a kid.
In fact, second grade was traumatic for me. I hated
my teacher. She hated me, and I felt it. She
did not like me. Wow. And it took my parents
to go and they came home and they're like, I
think you're right. She My mother actually told me, she's like,
I can understand what you're but she didn't understand. I
saw my second grade teacher as an ogre. I saw
something wow that I could never get out of my mind.
And I felt something from her that made me cry
every single day. I did not want to be around her,
Like honestly, it was a bad energy. As an adult
looking back knowing what I felt that it was a
very bad energy that I felt from her. I didn't
want to be around her. It was the worst year
of my life.
Speaker 1: Really, second grade and.
Speaker 2: I never cried before. I never cried like I just
like I would miss my mom. I was, you know,
I was kids hatched to you know, all right, But
that's that's the second grade was a very different story
for me. I saw something and every time I would
see her face like I would get a flash of
something else.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, there are those that will say, and I
I always wonder because we we talk about evil in
the world and evil energy, and I don't know, but
there was always that very simple and I think it
was Thomas Aquinas, the simple philosophy of the being that
is me, the being that is the tree. But there
is no evil because everything comes from source God. It's
just a privation of good, which then like it starts
to spoil. I would have so and they go lower
frequency things. But then there are people who will tell
you those lower frequency things can attach to you, or
there are people that have died and they maybe quickly
and didn't realize they're dead, and they're looking for a
human form and so they attach themselves to you. It's
it's strange and you say this stuff to people and
they'll look at you like you got three heads.
Speaker 2: I think it's very real.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you're here.
Speaker 2: And I was working on someone one time, and I like,
I get uncomfortable with that stuff because like, I just
like to work in the light. I don't like dealing
with anything dark. Like if somebody told me, if they said,
I want to make an appointment, I feel like I've
got something, I would not see them.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was just going to ask you, and I've.
Speaker 2: Never had to refuse, but I always like to know
why they're coming in because I just I have a
I it's not it's not my specialty, it's not my area,
and they need to see somebody who is well versed
in that. It's just not my thing. And I don't
ever want to bring anything home, right. Yeah, I'm very
protective of my my space, and if I get a
weird feeling about somebody, I also listen to that because
I feel super connected and I feel very protected good.
I feel very protect it all the time. So I
hope that always says and there's plenty of people that
know how to deal with that kind of thing. And
I think that my fear of it would kind of
like invite it more to me. We're someone who doesn't
have fear, because fear is a that's like a magnet for.
Speaker 1: Yes, everything everything negative.
Speaker 2: So because of my fear of it, I think I'm
just not a good person for it. I like uplifting people,
and you know, and thank God for people because there
are people that have those attachments and I think that
they can reak havoc and I'm thankful that there's people
that know how to work on them to help them
out of it.
Speaker 1: Right. Sure, it is a weird thing. As you're saying that,
I often I would be more along your line. I'm
looking for the light. Yes, I noticed this week I'd
never turned my TV on, didn't turn it out. I don't.
But here's the thing, is, like I all I watch
is you. And I canceled whatever I had because I
got ESPN Plus through my phone. I haven't set it
up on the TV yet. I haven't even looked at it.
It's been like you know, and I've had the month
of July was a little chaotic for me, and so
I just kind of coming down and I go, I
think there's so much you just we get too much
information today, and I really think like simple things of
taking a walk and putting the phone down, go out
in nature. You know, there's I mean there. I think now,
maybe it was during the panel that you and I did.
I thought I heard somebody say in Australia they're making it.
They're calling it like nature deprivation syndrome or something. I
know it sounds ridiculous, right, but they're telling you go
take a walk in the woods. You tell me, and
it's like put on some classical music and just go,
or put on something that's soft and and go. All
this stuff that's coming at you, even if it's just
silly tmzs. We are so hyper connected. I get concerned
about like my fifteen year old son. It is non
stop with the phone, to the point where I think
often you're not fully present with me, because I know
you have three forms of communication going on that I'm
not even aware of. And I think that way, maybe
I'm wrong but I think that way, and I go, boy,
I'm not sure how good or bad it is. Is
this part of evolution of mankind? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it's going to lead. Honestly. Yeah,
it's we are bombarded and then and then there's like
the second part of it is all the information we're getting,
is it even true?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Then you have to decipher and then people are fighting
like it's exhausted it is.
Speaker 1: And that's where I go, why don't we just you know,
try to create, but create from the energy and create
from the what the positive and the light as you
speak of. Yeah, because I do think like with the
energy healing that you do, would you say, let's say
somebody came to you, should they be coming on a
regular basis? And I say this as we do so
much physical therapy, right, we would get a prescription and
we would go and rehab the ankle, rehab the whatever.
And I just wonder with reiki, should it be looked
at or or energy healing if that's more looked at
somewhat the same way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should it should be because yeah, so there's
people who understand it and are like you know I'm
looking for an energy healer. I just need to get
a rebalancing for that. Yeah, I can come in, you know,
whenever you feel like you're off. But for people that
are really trying, that have been through trauma, like they
really do need longer term work. And I like to
start out once a week, and I even offer because
like I I know people are trying to be budget conscious.
I like an hour for the first time because I
really need to get to know the person. And then
they can come in for thirty minutes and we focus
on the chakras. But if they need the counseling piece after,
because I sit to do a breakdown and sometimes like
an hour session can turn into an hour and forty
five minutes.
Speaker 1: So just talking, okay, this is so much more than
I knew. What you do, what you specifically do. So
you do the reiki on someone and then you sit,
what is the breakdown, what's the counseling?
Speaker 2: I love it, So I do oracle cards for them.
I pull them before they even come in and that
kind of gives me a little bit of insight as
to what might be going on. And then we read
the cards and I always say, take what resonates and
leave the rest behind. It doesn't matter. And like when
I draw a card for somebody, my cards are meant
to They are I specifically connect with spirit to release
the cards that have a message. And I can get
very specific. It could either be a message or guidance
ask for So I'm very specific with my intentions when
I'm pulling them. They are not to tell the future
or anything like that. They are to help someone to
go either deeper into something. I can't tell you how
many times I've drawn a card and it like literally
brings something to the surface that was buried. Oh yeah,
and they're like, oh my god, and like it makes
them remember something that's very pertinent that they think is
just something that's nothing that they really need to clear.
It could be guidance on maybe making you think about something,
you know, Like I'm just using this as an example,
like if a card is implying that maybe you need
to be more grateful, maybe like, yeah, I really haven't
been very grateful. So there's so many different things, and
then you know, one thing leads to another and they
start they start perching. I can't just say you gotta go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Put an hour down for people. But honestly, I do
not book type schedules. I'm not by the clock. I
give them what they need.
Speaker 1: So this is really very personal. You know what this is.
I don't know if you read the word, but it's
very loving. Yeah, yeah, it's very loving. Yes, you come
from a very the love energy and you are there
to help the person understand. And God, I think often
you brought up somebody saying a psychic or whatever, like
your psychic. I don't know if you agree with this,
and I have said this to other people. I'm not
sure that anybody can tell you your future. No, I
think they can read your energy and see the path
you're on. Because how many people go, oh, didn't happen, Well,
they told you it might, and maybe you so strongly
somehow in your own energy diverted whatever it was and
it didn't happen good or bad.
Speaker 2: Because we have free will. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't take in the future.
Speaker 2: You change your future. Yes, you can be on a
bad trajectory.
Speaker 1: And someone could warn you right, yes.
Speaker 2: Crossroads, you can go this way or you can go
this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's that's why I use my Everything
I do comes from a place of love and goodness.
There's nothing malicious or male intent. There's nothing religious, there's
nothing that I'm trying to bucket gain. I'm not trying
to play God. That's like telling a doctor or a
nurse or a chiropractor, you know they're in the business
of healing too. They're not trying to supersede God. We're
helping people and that's all I'm trying to do. And
I'm going to say something else, like I don't feel that.
I always believe in teamwork when I see someone because
there's other people in the building. I'm at the healing house,
so I'm with Katie Wilmot also, and there's times like
when they have some physical stuff going on and emotional stuff,
it's all tied together. I have this book on the
Metaphysical Meaning of Illness and you can look up every
syndrome thing. It always connects to what is going on
emotionally with them. It's crazy. So sometimes I'll be like, oh, yeah,
I feel things so deeply. I mean I no.
Speaker 1: But I mean for even us, Oh God, right where
you're talking about, like what there's something going on emotionally
and it causing physical disease.
Speaker 2: Disease, Yes, exactly. So I'll be like, I really think
you could benefit from seeing Katie. I don't make them
going again for you with So Katie does a type
of energy healing. It is hers is so different. She
was an before and she does oh my god, I'm
trying to think of the name of it. I'll think
of the name of it in a second. But she
works with people and again all energy based. She feels
the energy and she she can tell what might be
going on. And then she has these different remedies that
she makes for them to take. And that's like when
I say remedies, it's all energy based. So she has
her own way of doing things. And then Colleen, even
though Colleen is you know in New Mexico, I still
refer people to her because she does it through Zoom.
She's a spiritual counselor and she helps people. I feel
like the spiritual piece can be missing in a lot
of things. And so if I think somebody is aligned
with her and that she's aligned with them, because that's important,
Like I know who the matches are for her. But
I also might be like, you need to go see
your doctor. You know you to you need some counseling too.
I might even suggest a different type of energy healing.
I don't everybody wants to be the hero and well
it's because of what I did that they got better.
I don't feel that way. I get that teamwork because
it's never just one thing. I feel like what I do.
I mean, yeah, I have great results. But if I
feel that somebody needs another thing added on to it,
I'm not afraid to send them somewhere because we're in
the business of helping the person. This isn't about us.
This is about the client. So that's just kind of
how I great.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely the way it should be.
Speaker 2: To step out of the way.
Speaker 1: Well, the ego too, I don't get any sense of
ego with you, because you said early on this is
on the conduit, right, I.
Speaker 2: Have responsibility for like you know, I'll take a little responsibility,
I guess. But yeah, just energy flows through me. I
like through me versus I I.
Speaker 1: Am the energy.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know. We don't do that, you know.
And the thing is the difference. I will tell you
the difference between me and the type of healing people
get confused with someone who is blind is not going
to walk in my office and I lay my hands
on them and they're no. The type of healing that
they're thinking about with Jesus, he is really a superpower
for healing. It is a type of energy healing energy.
I mean, let's let's be real here, okay. But you know, no,
I do not. I don't put myself up there at all.
Speaker 1: Do you ever, though, tell people to not talk about
the ailment that they came to you for after leaving you.
The only reason I asked that is when you talk
about g Jesus and you're saying, like the eyesight I
remember and I can't find in the Bible, and my
dad would told me I was wrong on this, but
I think it was true. Go forth and tell no
one when he would like the leprosy and the ear
fell off, and you know, I'll just say, you know,
Bob goes and sees Jesus his ears back, and all
of a sudden, Bob comes back in and Tom goes, yeah,
give it a week, it's gonna fall off. And the
doubt comes back, the worry comes back, and all that
where Go forth and tell no one. And so you
are so fervent in the belief that everything is good,
that we don't put the doubt back in there. And
I think a lot of times you'll see people relapse,
and you do wonder in certain instances when they get
the all clear, right and they ring the bell talking
about cancer or something, and then later on there's you know,
what happened to my uncle Joe? And so now they right?
And so you start to and I really wonder, is
there real true to that? Is there? Now? No one
gets you're here for a finite amount of time. What
the time that is? I don't, We don't know. But
so it's not to say that, you know, you need
to everybody leaves, right, everybody leaves the physical form, But
is that a portion of it? And I often think
with the ideas, when you have an idea to do something,
I go, I don't say anything until it's done, because
everybody's going to tell you, ah, right, you want to
write a screenplay. I have five guys that tried to
write screenplays. You know where they are now? They're bartenders.
Speaker 2: That's so stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, don't Like I
always even try to tell my kids that, like, don't
talk about it until it's done. Talk about it when
you have a final product, right.
Speaker 1: And I even wonder what the healing in a way.
Speaker 2: I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: I only do when you brought up Jesus. I thought
of that a lot. And I often think, you know,
we've sort of bring back here's something that I'm I
don't know why so much, but I'm so on this
thing now and it has more to do with my
kids than anything. But I'm not a fan of arguing
foreign limitations, and I think that's also a form of
saying I have severe depression. That's why it's there. And
I wish that you didn't know you had severe depression.
I'm not saying you don't. I'm not doing that. I'm
not saying that there isn't a Western medicine that could
be seen as a tool. But I do think that
when it's in your head so much that it becomes
the crutch or the excuse not to instead of actually living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting that you're bringing that up, because again,
everything is energy. Our thoughts are energy, our words are energy.
So I met with this was I don't know, probably
eight years ago, maybe longer. It was after I did
my training, and this woman, her name was Georgie. She's like,
she has no training, she was born into this. She
just does it. Okay, she understands it. And she came
to the place that I was training and I said, oh,
I said, I'd love to meet her because I know
a friend that went to her and she's like, she's amazing.
And so I am met with her for thirty minutes
and we were just chatting and she was talking about
this kind of thing. She says, you know, she says,
we create such permanence with our words. She said, instead
of saying I have anxiety, it's I'm having an anxiety experience,
she says, because an experience comes and goes where I
have anxiety as a permanence, I have this or I
had like And she says, it's the way that we
word things that we create permanence. And I always remembered that,
and I try to be conscious conscious of it.
Speaker 1: But I'm so happy because I've never heard anybody say that,
and it's been a big thing with me. And I'm
not saying remember that. You know, let's say, early intervention
with certain things with children wonderful, but don't let the
kid know what they have or don't have. Let's push
them as far as you can, let them live as
free as possible. And I don't mean push them in, no,
let them find them away, but let's not let their limitations. Yes, yes, yes,
it's like saying you're a Reki healer. I don't want
to be put in that box. Is what you said,
I'm a healer. I think that's wonderful and so important
for people to realize that. You know, you look at
a Venn diagram, right, We've got everything's intersecting circles that
we have. I think that's uh. I love that. I
love that. That woman yes said that was because.
Speaker 2: It's stuck with me. Sure, it very much stuck because
it made sense. If you understand energy. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about understanding energy when you say that,
because I'd like to say to you, oh I do.
I don't know if I do. I want to, I
want to. There are a lot times I feel like
I try to sometimes put my hands close together and
feel yeah, oh yeah, and do this, and then there
are times like I just try to move that through me.
I don't do it to other people because it's a
little weird, but I.
Speaker 2: Do. I know everything about energy. No, I don't know.
But when I say I understand it through this process
and doing what I do, I understand it so much
more and so much makes sense that probably things that
I shouldn't understand. Words. Our words are so powerful. Everything
is a vibration, everything is an energy they I mean,
there's been studies where you talk negative to a plant,
like where they put plants together. You talk positive. Our
words will hurt us or help us to grow and
bloom our thoughts. Okay, when you're have you ever met
someone that like, literally they open their mouth it drains me. Okay,
when people are so negative. I have been around these people.
It's like you say hello and all of a sudden
everything spills out about how horrible their day was, and
you know, just it's very very draining. And it's okay
to have a bad day. And I'm not talking about
people in your home. I'm talking about in general, like
I've just people I've been in contact with in public.
You know, I always my containers as big as can
be for my home. Everybody has a bad day. But
I'm talking about the person that you see on a
constant basis or every time you run into them. Yeah,
it's just you say hello, and you're almost like you
never say how are you, because you'll week of their
life and not one thing was good. And I have
clients like that too, and I'm just like and like,
I know, if someone is just going to be caught
on the hamster wheel.
Speaker 1: Do you ever say to them, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm honest. I'm just like, yeah, you're just going
to continue like if you It's it's that saying that.
It is such a simple saying, what if you're going
to continue doing the same things, Nothing's going to change, right,
So you have to be willing to change things. And
you can thinking that you want to change it versus
actually doing the things to change are two different things.
And think and wish all you want, okay, And that's
the same thing. Like that. It's like manifesting right right,
it's sort of your way of man like, what are
you manifesting in your in your mind? You have to
put the action in. You've got to do something.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very important thing because manifesting. There
were a couple of things that that popped into my
head as we're talking. I love these conversations for me
because they're I don't I don't I just love them.
I love them because they're more of a philosophical thing.
And then I see the world a certain way or
people a certain way, and I've interacted with people that
I like to think that I can say it in
a way that maybe somebody else would understand it or
get it a little bit better than other things. And
I think you have that as well. But when we're
talking about even I think the buzzwords like manifest right,
so now I'm gonna manifest this, Well, what does that mean?
And what are you doing? And do you truly understand it?
Because there's even that one of the insurance companies do
a commercial one of the guys like yeah, and you know,
you bundle your boat and I love this spot and
all this, Hey you better get here before people. And
then this girl's like, hey, just out here, fam manifesting happiness.
It's become the buzz, right, It's become the influencer buzz
And so I go, okay, that's fine, but you can
you just have to. The thing is equated to working out.
I have had an interesting, i'll call it an interesting
two years of my life recently that has been ups
and downs, And I would say I guess traumatic. It
seems a little dramatic to say that word, but there's stuff,
and I feel like you're sort of coming out of that.
But I think what you think and where you go
and the frequency you tap into will determine everything. And
sometimes the simple thing of getting up and taking a
walk and just feeling better is the next step to
then cleaning your kitchen, which I know sounds dumb, but
that helps, and getting a little more organized and starting
your thing, and you just kind of go from there
and you'll start to see the manifestation of exactly what
you want. But I can't get from A to B,
like I can't get from here to Buffalo unless I
go on the journey. That's the part that people I
don't I think they don't like. And you've got to
do the journey, the work, the energy work that like I.
Speaker 2: Love, because I think people think that they're like, Okay,
I'm going to write down on my durn, Yes, I'm
going to say the words abra cadabra, And it has
to come from here. Like saying things from your mouth
is different than having it you feel it and come
from your heart. It just starts right here. If your
heart is not clear. You need to clear this out
before you start you're manifesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of times that limitations
that you have to go inside yourself and realize the
thought you thought over and over and over that became
a belief it's actually bullshit, right that you can actually
and and a lot of times too, I think life
mirrors you. What I was going to say, over like
the two years, I gained thirty five pounds and I'm like,
I got to get back in the gym and I've
been running and doing this and I'm I see the
scale and it just winces down just slightly, just slightly,
And I thought to myself, Yeah, but it took you.
I'll call it disease. It took you two and a
half years to get sick. It's going to take you
a little while to get back. So enjoy the journey,
Enjoy the jogs, enjoy the sunshine, Enjoy that. And way
easier said than done, because we're impatient and we have
instant gratification like yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of that is going to come
from making sure you love yourself enough through all of this,
Like you have to love yourself, yes, because if you're
loathing yourself through it, that's not going to he that's
going to hold you back.
Speaker 1: I said to a friend of mine the other day
who said something to me, and I said, would you
talk to your best friend that way? About themselves? They
were saying something about themselves, and I said, would you
talk to your best friend that way? And they've echoed
that back to me a food time, sort of sarcastically,
but I think it resonated because I'm like, why, you know,
I eat like a child and I'm so fucking fat,
my pants don't fit and blah blah blah. And I go, so,
would you talk to your best friend that way? If
she came to you or he came to you and
said And it's most let me just say this. Men
never talk that way to each other. Yeah, you know,
you don't. Never hear a guy go, hey, do these
jeens make me look fad?
Speaker 2: No? No, we don't.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a girl thing, but there are other things
guys will do, same type of stuff. You're a human being, yeah,
same equation, and you just can't talk, you know, to
yourself that way. You do have to really truly love
yourself and at times give yourself, rest and give yourself
a break and some you know, I always think this,
You got a couple of choices in the moment, go
to the one that feels the best, do it to
its fullest. Don't worry about the outcome. Sounds a little crazy,
No it's not.
Speaker 2: I always say, release out, like, don't have expectations what
the outcome like, release it. And that's something I had
to learn. And when I did, like what happened when
you did? Like a I don't care so like sometimes
when you so much and it's like if something doesn't
go your way and it makes you mad, that's just block.
It's just a block. So I manifest all the time
and it works like I know what I have to do.
In fact, me and Colleen are putting together a six
day manifesting challenge. So she's mixing in astrology so people can.
Speaker 1: Understand is she your friend in New Mexico?
Speaker 2: She is. Yes, we're gonna do it online and hopefully September.
I'm still writing it makes the sign of the Cross
for that. So she's doing the astrology piece so people
can understand who they are. Like astrology again, it's just
when you're born under certain planets. I am telling you,
when you see chaos like on the collective, take a
look at what's going on inside your own life or
things that come up. It is amazing. I have learned
so much, and just even about the signs that you
were born under and how you interact and you know
some of the things that could be your blocks in life.
So she is doing that part of it. I'm doing
I'm writing the action part of it so that people
will have like a journal and I'm going to do
some meditations and the first thing we have to do
is clear out the heart chakra. So just kind of
bringing them through a six day journey so that they
can be interactive with it, and if they can't join
us on our lives, it will be a tape. They
can do it in the evening, but make a commitment
to that six days and see what changes.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic. How do people become part of that?
Speaker 2: So we're once I have everything written, and I just
have to make sure, like all of the technical stuff works,
because you know, it's not my foretese. Sometimes I'm okay,
but it's not my fore tape. We're going to start
advertising for it. We're going to pay for advertising, and
I said, you know, I'm not looking for everybody fund
anybody on Facebook wants to join, that's fine, I said,
I'm not looking for the people.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I want the country I want outside of.
Speaker 1: The country we're relating for.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know what we're going to do
this first time, but if it goes well, we're just
going to keep building it and we're going to keep
doing it because people don't know how to do it right.
And it's it really does work. It's I can I
can tell you stories. It's it's worked for me.
Speaker 1: I think it's so true, Gina. And as you're you're talking,
I often think, like I don't know if it's conditioning
and the way we were brought up, but our knee
jerk reactions sometimes to certain situations is I will say,
for me, the wrong reaction, and that I've I've learned
to find a way to give myself a buffer so
then I can sort of almost read the energy of
the other person and go deeper and say this is
an implication of something deeper. What's what? What else is
really going on? Yes, you know, even with my son,
he said to his mother that there was he thinks
I have a girlfriend or something and blah blah blah
blah blah, and I'm never gonna call her mom. And
she said, I'm not saying that to do anything, and
I'm not saying that you do or you don't. And
I said, he's deeply sad. Yeah, right, because your first
reaction would be like, whoa, i'ma spread of my time
with none of your fucking business, bitch, right, which is
horrible and it's not what this was about. And that's
not even how she was coming at it. And I
simply had to stop and go, oh, he's sad.
Speaker 2: So that's just a sign that you have truly grown,
because when you can start seeing things that you are
seeing it from your heart, yeah and not from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I've had those shifts too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2: You know, let's face it, we all don't love being
around everybody, right, and everybody doesn't love being around me.
So sometimes you just have to manage it. And when
you reach this space, you can this feeling of I
feel bad for them, because I've had that happen where
all of a sudden, you know, I'm like, they have
so much going on that this has nothing to do
with me. It's all them. They are not happy.
Speaker 1: I know we're going longer than I said. No no, no,
no no, I don't want to mess up your day. Okay,
So here would be my other question. Then I often say,
there are two things with this, but you can't assert
on someone else, almost like I can't assert something on you.
I can't. This is why I think human beings are incapable.
Speaker 2: Of of.
Speaker 1: Almost pure love right right, the the absolute, unadulterated, the
pure love, because I'd love you so much if you
just behaved differently right conditions. Yes, unconditional love, I think
is something that human beings are somewhat incapable of because
it's always well, I would feel better if you blanked.
And that's where I've started to go, Hang on a second,
that's a little bit of bullshit, and it's a little
bit of bullshit on me for thinking that whatever they're doing,
they're doing you've got to stay in your high flying
disc over here in order for everything to be better
and maybe help lift them up a little bit.
Speaker 2: And we when we do that, that's the time that
you have to look in the mirror and say, why
is this triggering me. Yeah, and it usually has nothing
to do with the other party. It's something in you
you yeah, yeah, Yeah. You have to look at yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People don't want to. They would rather point their fingers
at somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's not my fault exactly, okay, right, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, have to really go within and you have
to really deeply ask yourself, like why would this bother me?
Like it has nothing to do it has nothing to
do with me, right, Yeah, so's triggers.
Speaker 1: There are there are triggers. And I'm not again not
saying it's not real, not saying, but you have the
ultimate control. You need to learn to control your energy.
I have often said before exploring more the energy side
of life and that sort of thing, would say that
one of the things do you have to do as
an adult is get control of your emotions absolutely and
that is part of that. And I do think you
can do that through energy. I think you have to
learn to control.
Speaker 2: That too, and it all comes down but you can help.
Speaker 1: It's my point. You can help, and that's I think
something that people need to see. I'm excited for the
sixth course, six day course. I think that's incredible. What
a great idea.
Speaker 2: It's just a it's a fun thing to help people,
and you know, while they're doing it, we're doing it
and we're there to answer questions if people are stuck,
you know, and they get meditations and so it's you know,
we're we're embarking on it and it's you know mine, Yes,
I know what I'm doing, but it's like I've never
done this before, like this is my first time doing it.
But we have to start somewhere, so you know, I'm human.
Speaker 1: Just that I love that you yeah, but I love
that you're willing to do that. Yes, you know. I mean,
fear is the biggest thing. I think. It was actually
a comic that I loved. His name was Bill Hicks,
and Bill Hicks died of pancreatic cancer and knew that
he was dying, and he had jokes. I think he
went on The Letterman Show when Dave was on CBS
and they cut it because he had some joke about uh,
Jesus and you know, everybody wearing the cross and he
comes back, He's going to be running away from you
all or something ridiculous, right, Kids across as such a
and the Catholic League like so they squashed it. They
never aired it, and years later Letterman had his mom
on and replayed the set of what he had recorded
that night. It was interesting. But one of Bill's final
things was, there's only two things in life, and this
is a comic and this is where I go. Sometimes
there are just some people who are tapped in. He said,
There's two things, Love and fear. He goes, Love will
tell you to take care of your neighbor, feed the
world a million times over, take our defense budget, and
let's make the world a better place. Fear tells you
to buy more guns, put bigger locks in your door,
blah blah blah, that sort of thing. And it was more.
But he goes, you know, life, it's a ride. It's
an ups and downs and thrills and chills. And then
he goes. But then some people come back. People have
come back to us and said, it's just a ride.
And then he says, but then there are those who go,
what are you talking about. I have a big bank accountant,
I can't have you. Well, I gotta protect and and
that we lose that it's just a ride. I mean
I watched my dad die, you know, when he took
with him. You know what happened. He had a hospital
gown on, all those beautiful clothes, all that you understand.
I'm saying, like, you don't take it with you. I
do go and live.
Speaker 2: People are not going to remember you for that. They're
not remember you know it's written all over the place,
but it's so true. They're going to remember how you
treated them, how they felt when they were around you, exactly.
No one cares about all of the other stuff.
Speaker 1: I am starting to well, maybe we'll end on this
note and I'll see how if you agree or not.
I am starting to believe because our feelings are really
energy and the vibrations of songs like you go, I
love that song, someone else goes that is a piece
of shit hair metal? How could you like that? From
the eighties? But it brought you back to a feeling
Oh you know what I mean? Yeah, And you want
to be the person people feel good to be around.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing I will say, and I
don't know anything about reading people, is I don't think
you judge. I get a really non judgmental You're very
warm and accepting, and yeah, I really get that.
Speaker 2: I definitely try to be I.
Speaker 1: Think it's natural with you. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for the most part, do I judge something.
Speaker 1: Well, we all do. We have to say no, don't
judge it. It goes against humanity or nature.
Speaker 2: One thing I've learned is that we are here for
different reasons. People come into this world for different reasons.
When we have kids, one thing I've noticed with my kids.
All my kids are so different, and I honor each
and every one of them for who they are. And
I learned to do that because I can't tell you
that I might have been like this fifteen years ago,
but I have shifted so much that I honor where
they're at. I love their different aspirations. I don't compare
them because they're individuals and each of them teaches me
something different. I learn from my kids and they are
here to teach us lessons, and some of them are
even here to push us to be better or so
that's sort of where I'm at. And I definitely do
see people in situations in a very different light than
what I might.
Speaker 1: Have before, and very open.
Speaker 2: I think it's because I feel so much from others,
Like sometimes I without knowing somebody, they might be acting
a certain way or I could feel their sadness, Like
I think I feel so much from people that it
just makes me know that maybe they need something a
little bit more so I try to be that person
for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if possible, give me the website again for people
to find and maybe learn.
Speaker 2: MBS reiki dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, NBS Ricky Willness dot com.
Speaker 2: Stands for Mind, Body Soul.
Speaker 1: But okay, you don't want to write that. No, right, Well,
that's a lot to tighten. That would that would be
a lot the tight Gina. It's been a pleasure. I
really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much for coming in.
Thank you, and uh, this has been I'm gonna call
it the first of it's gonna be its own podcast
and we're all pushed out weekly. And I'd love to
get uh your friend of New Mexico. If they're willing,
I could set up.
Speaker 2: Up they would Yeah, I would love that.
Speaker 1: I would love to do that. Okay, all right, for Gina,
I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you on Bill Lightenman next week.
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