WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:05.000 To talk more basketball now on a Thursday afternoon where 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.160 I've got Tony Jones from the athletic TJ. 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:08.400 Where are you at, man? How you doing? 4 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:10.720 Well's man? How you doing? 5 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:11.800 Where are you right now? 6 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:13.839 I'm in Denver. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.199 That's what I thought. That's what I thought. And we'll 8 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.079 get there. We'll get there. But I've got to ask you, 9 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:24.440 how confident are you right now in the ability of 10 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:26.280 the New York Knicks to get one of the next two. 11 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.320 I'm I'm pretty nervous about tomorrow. 12 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.520 Okay, all right? 13 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:38.960 Yeah, I mean I said earlier, Oh yeah, are you nervous? Oh, 14 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.079 I'm always nervous. I look, I'd be nervous if Boston 15 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.560 was without Tatum and Jalen Brown. 16 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.159 I mean I have I have lived my life with 17 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:48.719 this team. 18 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.439 Uh, and I've seen it way too many times where 19 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.079 I get super excited and they completely let me down. 20 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.520 So I'm I'm forever a nervous Knick fan. TJ. 21 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.759 Yeah, it's uh yeah, I just we just need one 22 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.680 forty eight minutes get out of the series. We don't 23 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.480 get it done tomorrow. Someday is gonna be really hard. 24 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:15.840 Yes, it will. I can't even think about that. Yet. 25 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:17.959 But here's what I wanted to ask you and kind 26 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.719 of tap into your basketball knowledge. I last night after 27 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.040 I signed off, their rushed home so I could get 28 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.760 get to the game, and I made made it a 29 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.000 point to tag the pregame stuff so I could listen 30 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.519 to the coaches and Missoula said something that completely smacked 31 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:35.879 me across the face. And he said, look, we're all 32 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.680 gutted about what happened with Jason Tatum, but it does 33 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.000 give us a schematic opportunity. 34 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.879 What do you think he meant. 35 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:50.519 Well, schematic opportunity to get getting Luke Cornette on the floor. 36 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.920 And you know he provided rem protection, but you know 37 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:05.439 he's also provided a lob threat. And I thought that 38 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.360 that was really big. And you know they did some 39 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.080 you know, they did some matchup changes. Uh. You know 40 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:21.360 they they went with Jaylen Brown on on Jalen Brunson. Uh. 41 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:26.439 They they threw uh Derek Kwhite into help. But the 42 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:33.159 biggest schematic change, Uh, they put Drew Holliday on Karl 43 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.520 Anthony Towns. And you know, I know people are thinking like, yeah, 44 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.560 that's a mismatch, that's a mismatch, But we all know 45 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.280 that Kat loves the perimeter. So the thinking with that was, 46 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.319 you know, he squeezes off the perimeter and you know, 47 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.599 he fights his tail off in the paint, and you know, 48 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.319 if if Kat goes you know, into the post, then 49 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:02.560 they just lived with some contested twos. So they did 50 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:08.719 some pretty dramatic matchups, which is last night, you know, 51 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.639 and you know, obviously Derek White got really hot at 52 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.919 thirty four points and then you know, Jaylen Brown, you know, 53 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.360 got hot, you know, in the second half, you know, 54 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.960 but yeah, we got to get it done tomorrow night. 55 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:28.199 We just just have to just you know, grind for 56 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.639 forty eight minutes and get this series finished. 57 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.800 Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you. 58 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.680 You know, it's just, man, when when you look at 59 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.159 the way Boston, even without Tatum is able to space 60 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.240 the floor that five out stuff, it doesn't really change 61 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.879 all that much. And Tatum is really the only ball 62 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:48.039 stopper they have on the roster. And look, I love Tatum, 63 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.800 that's not a criticism, but without Tatum out there, Tony, 64 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:52.680 to me, it felt like the ball was just moving 65 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:54.479 in a way that sometimes it doesn't. 66 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.280 Does that make sense, No, absolutely, I mean it does 67 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:04.400 make sense. And you know, the thing is that you know, 68 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.319 without Jason Tatum, you know you kind of I mean, 69 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:10.280 you obviously know Jalen Brown is going to take a 70 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.479 lot of shots, but it because the offense becomes a 71 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:18.600 lot more equal opportunity. And you you know, if you 72 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.120 do something like that hits in the middle of a series, 73 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:25.199 you don't necessarily have a chance to really, you know, 74 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:29.199 scout for it and prepare for it, especially you know, 75 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:30.160 by the next game. 76 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:36.120 And you know, so the the what the Knicks have 77 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:41.560 to take into tomorrow is that Okay, now there's film. 78 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.360 Now the Celtics have put what they're going to do 79 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.839 without Jason Tatum on film. Now you have to prepare 80 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.439 in that way. So you know, it's on Tom Thibodeau 81 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.319 and his staff to come up with the necessary adjustments, 82 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.839 uh to kind of counter some of them movement in 83 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.720 some of the sets that Boston hit them with on 84 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:05.800 Wednesday night. 85 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.600 All right, let's move over to the other game from 86 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:10.920 last night, and then we'll get a preview of the 87 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.720 game you're covering. Then we'll let's spend the remaining portion 88 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.199 of the conversation about the Utah Jazz t Wolves get 89 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:19.519 it done one twenty one, one ten and for the 90 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.360 second straight year of Minnesota is in the Western Conference Finals. 91 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.639 I was waiting, and maybe it's not realistic because Minnesota 92 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.279 has so many big, physical wings. I was just waiting 93 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.319 for Jimmy Butler to kind of take over the way 94 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.720 that we've seen him do in the playoffs often in 95 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.959 a couple of years ago, when he essentially carried Miami 96 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.079 to the finals almost single handedly, and that never came 97 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.680 to fruition. 98 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:43.199 Uh, of course. 99 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:43.600 Uh. 100 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.879 It's interesting to watch Boston play so connected without Tatum 101 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.439 and watch Golden State just so confused without Steph, which 102 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:54.680 isn't a surprise. But your takeaways from watching Minnesota dispatch 103 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:56.000 of Golden State in five. 104 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.720 Games, well, I mean you said it. You know Jimmy's 105 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.839 not gonna get his game I mean, you know he's 106 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.120 not going to get his game off against Minnesota like that. 107 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.199 You know that team has way too many guys and 108 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.480 way too many different guys. I mean, you start, especially 109 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.759 without Stephen Curry out there, which would have taken away 110 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.680 Jade McDaniels. But now with no Curry, you know, Jay 111 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.040 McDaniels switches on to Jimmy as a primary defender. He's 112 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.680 six for ten he's got a seven seven ft three 113 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:32.959 wings fan and he's long, and he's wiry, and he's 114 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.720 a dog just like Jimmy is. So you know, there 115 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:40.959 was no physical advantage there for Jimmy. And then okay, 116 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.360 so you know, let's go and switch through at of Lina. Okay, 117 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.160 so you know you're switching on to Anthony Edwards, who's 118 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.040 a dog defensively, or you're switching on to Julius Randall, 119 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:57.120 who's you know, as physically strong as anybody on the floor. 120 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:59.839 All right, well, let's try our hand with Ready Gobert. 121 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.680 You know, we all know that Rudy Gobert is a 122 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.120 lot better in space than people try to make make 123 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.439 it seem. So you know, the only real matchup is 124 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.680 you know, kind of going after Mike Colley a little bit. 125 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.839 But if Mike Colley is not on the floor, that 126 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.079 means Nikhil, Alexander Walker or Dante di Vincenzo's on the floor, 127 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.000 and you know, you get it. The list goes on. 128 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.120 It's on and on and on. Minnesota has so many 129 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:30.879 guys who can defend, and so many guys who are switchable, 130 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.920 who are long, lengthy, athletic and just really tough guys. 131 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:43.000 So you know, Jimmy just wasn't going to dominate that 132 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.079 series against those kind of matchups. Maybe if he was 133 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.480 playing against the Lakers, you know, it's a different thing, 134 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.720 you know, but as a number one guy without Stephen 135 00:07:55.759 --> 00:08:00.560 Curry on the floor to draw spacing and draw gravity, 136 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.240 that just wasn't going to be you know, a Jimmy 137 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.240 Butler series to where you know we're looking and he's 138 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.600 you know, throwing up thirty five and forty points to night. 139 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.000 That just wasn't gonna happen. 140 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.120 Do you think we will ever see a deep spring 141 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:19.839 playoff run involving Steph Curry again, I mean there's potential. 142 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:23.279 I mean, he hasn't really slowed down, you know. So 143 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:30.040 what you know, what Mike Dunlevy, the general manager, has 144 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:34.360 to do, is figure out how to build around you know, 145 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.679 Steph and Jimmy. It's the same thing that you know, 146 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.679 Robs Lincoln down in Los Angeles has to do. You know, 147 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.240 you you you have the tape of this year, you know, 148 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.159 not going to the offseason to see what you have 149 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:52.519 to do around Lebron and Luca. So you know, it's 150 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.799 it's it's not with it's not out of the realm 151 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.679 of possibility. You know that Golden State could know win 152 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:04.639 the West or win another NBA championship, because Steph Curry 153 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.480 is still Steph Curry. But they definitely have to, you know, 154 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.919 go and get some spacing and build some guys around 155 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.399 him and Jimmy. I think they have, you know, the 156 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.240 two most important pieces in place, and they just have 157 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:18.840 to kind of try to build on that. 158 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.320 Interesting Tony before we get to tonight. 159 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.679 As of now, no Jannie, no Dame, no Lebron, no Steph, 160 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.320 no Durant, no Kawhi, no PG thirteen, no MBD, and 161 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.799 no Anthony Davis. I could keep going and then we've 162 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.000 got Aunt, We've got Halliburton, hopefully we'll have Jalen Brunson. 163 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:40.320 Of course, the Boston guys have been there before. 164 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:40.919 SGA. 165 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.039 Are we kind of finally seeing maybe officially the change 166 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.399 in pro basketball from the old guard to the new. 167 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.039 I don't think it's so much of that as I 168 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:58.080 think we're seeing the change from the CBA to where 169 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.440 the teams that are going to advance in the playoffs 170 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.720 are the teams that have a bunch of guys, not 171 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.240 just three guys. So you look at Indiana. You know, 172 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.840 they don't have a guy that we be like, yeah, 173 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.519 that's that's the guy. They got ten guys. You know, 174 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.360 they have ten guys who you can throw on the 175 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.320 floor credibly in a playoff series. That's the reason why 176 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:30.240 they beat Cleveland because Cleveland has seven guys. If Oklahoma 177 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.879 City beats Denver, it's because they have nine guys that 178 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.559 they can play in this series. And right now Denver 179 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.960 has five guys that they can play in this series. 180 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.480 They're playing seven, they're putting seven on the floor, but 181 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.840 they only have five for a real actual playoff players. 182 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.279 Same thing with Minnesota. Minnesota's got nine to ten guys. 183 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.600 You know. The only team that's remaining that doesn't have 184 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:00.639 nine or ten guys is New York. So it's not 185 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.240 a shift from you know, the old guard, because if 186 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.240 Steph had you know, as deep a team as in 187 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.480 the as Indiana, you know, they would have the same 188 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.720 chance of going to the finals. Same thing with Lebron. 189 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.600 So it's not a change for the old guard because 190 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.480 the old Guard, you know, by and large, those guys 191 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.279 are still you know, in the top ten in the league. 192 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.159 You know, Lebron's still a top ten player, Steph McCurry 193 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:33.320 is still a top ten player. It's this with the CBA. 194 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.120 You gotta have depth now, and you got to have 195 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.879 quality depth. And if you don't have quality depth, then 196 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.200 you know, at this point in all likelihood, with so 197 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.759 many possessions in a game, you're probably gonna go home Earland, 198 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.200 all right. 199 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:55.240 Moving over to tonight, Oklahoma City is getting five points. 200 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:56.879 The line opened up at four and a half and 201 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:59.840 it's moved towards Okase. They're a five point favorite to 202 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.840 in Denver and obviously if they win, they advance. So 203 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.639 your thoughts on what you've seen so far in the 204 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.519 series and how do you think it plays out tonight? 205 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.320 Well, on the line moving towards Looklahoma City, because Jamal 206 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.879 Murray is questionable with the nailness, so even if he plays, 207 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.360 there's a chance that he's he's a little bit que compromised. 208 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:27.360 But you know, I think that this series ends tonight 209 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:31.559 because I think that, you know, Denver, like I said, 210 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.320 only has five playable guys really, and you know, though, 211 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.720 you know, this series is gone every other day through 212 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.960 its duration, and Denver's Denver played pretty much every other 213 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:47.080 day through the duration of their first round win against 214 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.840 the Los Angeles Clippers. So you know, I don't think 215 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.639 the Nuggets have much left in the tank. Uh. You know, 216 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.360 I think if obviously if they had won Game five, 217 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:03.240 it would have been a different thing. But you know 218 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.600 the fact that Oklahoma City is so much deeper, and 219 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.639 they have so many more bodies, and they're so much 220 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.000 more fresh, and they have so much more energy, especially 221 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.200 down the stretch in fourth quarters, I think this series 222 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.039 that's tonight, all right. 223 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.120 Moving over to the Jazz with the remaining time we 224 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.519 have left, and Tony, since you and I last spoke 225 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.799 Monday nights, lottery came and went and obviously a lot 226 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.559 of Jazz fans very disappointed, which I understand. The fact 227 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:31.759 of the matter is, as you know, the most likely 228 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.840 scenario based off the percentages was not one. It was 229 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.159 either four or five, and they landed five, which was 230 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:39.799 their floor, which is unfortunate. 231 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.039 But what sort of what sort of. 232 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.240 Info intel do you have out there as far as 233 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.960 what sort of players could be available at five? And 234 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.039 I'll ask you, what do you think best case scenario 235 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.559 scenario is for the Jazz at five coming up in 236 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:52.039 the draft? 237 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.759 Yeah, I don't think it's you know, I don't think 238 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.159 it's a tragedy at the land their five. They are 239 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.799 five really goods in the draft, so you know they're 240 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:07.840 gonna get a good player. You know, it's you know, 241 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:12.200 if they didn't the the thing that the Jazz that 242 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.840 the tank wasn't for the for the ceiling, it was 243 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:19.279 for the floor. And you know, they wanted to get 244 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.559 the number one spot in the lottery balls, so the 245 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.000 farthest sake and fall with spots and with the fathers 246 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.679 take fall being five, They're fine, They're gonna get a 247 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.960 really good player. They're either gonna get uh the there 248 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.480 ads from Trey Johnson, I mean Trey Johnson or or 249 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:41.000 a Staley, either one of those guys are are really 250 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:46.679 good players with really high ceilings with with star ceilings. 251 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.399 You know, I think as Bailly's floor is more volatile 252 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:57.679 than than trays and and DJs. His his lowest outcome 253 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.639 is is a more volatile than that, but uh it's 254 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.279 probably also has the highest outcome as well because he 255 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:11.879 has a superstar outcome. So you know, obviously the disappointment 256 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.799 is you know that the Jazz fell all the way 257 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:20.759 to five. The further disappointment is that obviously it was 258 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.080 Dallas and in San Antonio and Philly moving up. But 259 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.399 you know, if if you take the emotion out of it, 260 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.519 you know it's it's a fine spot to land. There 261 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.600 are five very good players in this draft. Jazz are 262 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.159 gonna get one of them because they landed at five. 263 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:45.440 So you know it's it's not it's not a doomsday thing, 264 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:49.399 and you know they're they're gonna end up getting a 265 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.480 good player. And you know, my guess is that it's 266 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:57.399 gonna be Ace Bailey because I think the v J. 267 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:01.840 Ashcombe is gonna go third if if Philly keeps the pick, 268 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.080 and then I think that, uh, that Charlotte Hornet is 269 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.679 going to pick between Trey Johnson and conkerin Nepple, and 270 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.960 you know that'll leave, uh, that will leave either Trey 271 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:15.279 or Ace to the Jets. 272 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.480 So what tell me your opinion of of Trey Johnson, 273 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.240 who appears to be shooting up draft boards by a 274 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:24.639 lot of uh, you know a lot of mock drafts, 275 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.960 a lot of scouts to do this. Gavoni's latest has 276 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.919 Tray to six at the at the six of the Wizards. 277 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.960 He has the Jazz taking Jeremiah Fears at five. So Uh, 278 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.000 give me your take on Trey, because it seems like 279 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.200 a lot of people think he might sneak into maybe 280 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:39.000 even the top three. 281 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.320 Yeah. I think Trey has a chance to be Devin Booker. 282 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:51.279 He's he's uh, he's him in ace to me, you 283 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.919 are the best shot makers in the draft, all right. 284 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.279 He's six for five six or six. Uh. He can 285 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.600 handle the balls. He can uh, he can get the 286 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.480 spots off the dribble. He moves very very well without 287 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.559 the ball. But he's unique and the fact that he 288 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.480 can play with the ball in his hands, so he 289 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.720 can do both. You can play him off the ball 290 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:13.599 or you can play him on the ball. He's a 291 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.720 good pick and role player. Uh he you know he 292 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.240 I think he's a willing passer, you know, and I 293 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.240 think that he has a chance to be an offensive engine. Uh. 294 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.000 So you know, I think that if if if it's 295 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.160 Tray uh, that that falls to the Jazz and in 296 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.680 the in the Jazz pick trade. And you know, I 297 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:42.240 think that that's a that's a really good some starting block, 298 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.599 uh to to to start off us. But you know 299 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.200 the other thing with Trey I'll say is I think 300 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:53.039 that he would sit in better than most with will 301 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:56.599 Hardy's system because because of his ability to move off 302 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.680 the ball. So, you know, I think that he's a 303 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.519 guy that that you know, I don't know if he's 304 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.519 the guy that I would take at three. The question 305 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.680 is who would you take a three? Because DJ, Tray, 306 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:15.519 and Ace are all in the same tier of player. 307 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.519 So right now I would take DJ at three. And 308 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.720 the reason why is because DJ, of the three guys 309 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.200 that I just mentioned, is the best defender and the 310 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.400 and he measured in at six y four without shoes. 311 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:32.640 I thought he was going to measure in at six 312 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.079 two or six one and a half without shoes, so 313 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.119 he measured in a lot bigger than than than expected 314 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.839 at the combine. So I think that that balls him 315 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:42.680 into the third spot. 316 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.240 So is it safe to say whoever's left over out 317 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.000 of Ace, VJ, and Trey, in your opinion lands to 318 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:49.480 the Jazz. 319 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.279 I would say that that's the leader in the clubhouse 320 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.400 right now. I don't mean obviously the Jazz to fall 321 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.039 in love with somebody else. You know, maybe they fall 322 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.000 in love with Derek Queen, Maybe they do fall in 323 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.000 love with Jeremiah Fears, Maybe they fall in love with 324 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:08.519 Kaka Nipple, you know, all during the pre draft process. 325 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.880 But I would say as of right now, I would 326 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.119 say one of those three you know, or the leader 327 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.480 in the clubhouse at this point. 328 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.160 Really the only local player of interest as far as 329 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.519 being able to be drafted at a notable spot, as 330 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:25.599 Yegor Demon from Brigham Young Cavaldi has him going to 331 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:27.039 Chicago at twelve. 332 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.039 What do you think happens with Yegor draft Knight. 333 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.359 Yeah, his stock is rising because he measured in it's 334 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:38.160 like six' nine without, shoes you, know so if you 335 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.759 pushes on him like he's six nine and a half six, 336 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.039 TEN i think that you, know he was expected that 337 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:45.920 he would come in and measure it a, well six 338 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:49.880 six six and a half or six seven without, Shoes 339 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.359 so you, know he's a jumbo point guard right, now 340 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.960 like he's A he's a legitimate six foot nine and 341 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.519 a half point. Guard and you know he's the best 342 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.599 passer in the, draft you. Know SO i think THAT 343 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.400 i think that you, know his ceiling right. Now don't 344 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.799 be surprised if he's really in play at number six 345 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.920 for The Washington wizards by the time all of this, 346 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.480 thing but time all of this is said and. DONE 347 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.400 i don't think The jazz will take them at, five 348 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.160 BUT i do think that the ceiling starts at. 349 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.119 Six as far as what the rest of the offseason 350 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.279 could look like for The, jazz they also have twenty, 351 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.519 one so we'll see what sort of value is there 352 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:30.960 at twenty. 353 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:32.720 One you, know it's. 354 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.559 Interesting Tim bontemps FROM espn had a piece up yesterday 355 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.240 and he quoted a number of different front office, executives 356 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.759 one who was very specific about his enjoyment seeing both 357 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.880 The jazz And washington not get number one overall because 358 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.640 he doesn't believe tanking should be rewarded in pro. Basketball 359 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.240 and of, Course Adam silver's endeavor to flatten the odds 360 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.640 in twenty nineteen was in part to try to dissuade 361 00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:59.799 teams from doing what The jazz and The wizards did this. 362 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.680 Year so look next year's, draft and you and others 363 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.440 have talked about next year's draft as something that could be, 364 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.079 very very. Exciting The jazz have a pick that's top eight, 365 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.759 protected so it would behoove them to be bad, again 366 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:14.759 do you? There they're gonna be a number of, players 367 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.640 good Players tony on the, move Namely, giannis Maybe, durant 368 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.720 who knows What boston does with that five hundred million 369 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.400 luxury tax. Bill now That tatum's out for probably next, 370 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.200 year do you anticipate The jazz trying to get involved 371 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.920 in a notable piece or do you feel like next 372 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.279 year is going to look a lot like this. 373 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:37.000 Year whether next year looks a lot like this year or, 374 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:38.759 not The jazz need to go out and get a point. 375 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:43.160 Guard they need to go out and get a real 376 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.319 point guard who can actually come in and run a 377 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:52.440 REAL nba, offense BECAUSE i think that they are short 378 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.799 changing their development about what they're, by you, know what 379 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.319 they're putting out of their point guard right. Now you, 380 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.400 KNOW i don't dislike asaid call you at, all BUT 381 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.400 i think he's a backup AND i don't know that 382 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.480 he's going to become a starter in this. League and 383 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.200 they just need somebody who can come in and run an, offense, 384 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.400 because you, know they need to figure out If Cody 385 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.000 williams can. Play they need to figure out What Keyante 386 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:23.240 george actually looks like off the. Ball they need to figure, 387 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.400 out you, know whoever they, draft what he looks. Like 388 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:30.559 they need somebody who can throw a love pass The Walker, 389 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:35.480 kessler you, know or Get Walker kessler the ball when he's. 390 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:39.000 Open they need all of these guys that they need to. 391 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:44.240 DEVELOP i think the development has been short changed by 392 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.640 the fact that they've been so deficient at that point guard. 393 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:51.319 Spot so you, know whether they go out and you, 394 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.000 know get a star or or try to get a, 395 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:56.839 star or whether they want to tank next year or 396 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:02.279 be competitive next. Year to, me just finding a veteran 397 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:06.319 point guard who can run AN nba, offense uh is 398 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:07.160 their highest. 399 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:14.440 Priority all, Right SO i guess, ultimately, uh that leaves 400 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.519 us with the potential of them being in the same 401 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.079