Speaker 1: Dirty hands means clean theology can dig it. What's going
Speaker 1: on all my local guys and gas and long distance
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Speaker 1: I'm a real boy. Well, guys, what's going on? What
Speaker 1: else week for you?
Speaker 3: Hopefully tomorrow I'm gonna get a shipment of chickens in
Speaker 3: little baby.
Speaker 1: Chicks, little baby chicks. Eighty of them. It's eight with
Speaker 1: a zero. It's gonna be a bunch.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of chickens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of nuggets. They're gonna be yummy
Speaker 1: too when we eat them.
Speaker 2: We are all trying to be a little more sufficient
Speaker 2: here as as especially as our groceries and everything else
Speaker 2: are twice the price they were even just a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. So that's crazy. I actually have about
Speaker 2: forty quail hatching this weekend too.
Speaker 1: So well, just like our sponsor, you know, the the
Speaker 1: better insurance agency or the better quote, he said that
Speaker 1: with the price of bread slowly approaching today's wages, that'sance we're.
Speaker 2: Seeing the Bible come into fluition here right now, right
Speaker 2: before our faces.
Speaker 1: I tell you, well, I want to ask a question
Speaker 1: which I already know the answer to. Did anybody catch
Speaker 1: the Grammys?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: What's that? You know? That's where all the elite Graham crackers?
Speaker 1: I know you talking about my grandma Graham crackers. Well,
Speaker 1: apparently there was like a big Satanic ritual. Yeah, I heard.
Speaker 2: I heard about that.
Speaker 1: I've seen that on JP reacts. Did he react, Oh
Speaker 1: he was, he was reacting. Yeah, he's pretty pretty rough.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how they don't even try to hide it anymore,
Speaker 1: that's what he said. Yeah, I mean it's just boom,
Speaker 1: just God dancing like the devil.
Speaker 2: Is pretty crazy. How much of an attack on a blatant,
Speaker 2: open attack on God. And we see that stuff more
Speaker 2: and more in our culture, and more and more accepted
Speaker 2: the problem or expected, not just accepted, but expected. And
Speaker 2: you see that it's it's put on display for everybody,
Speaker 2: and it's it's sad, but it's what we see. And
Speaker 2: this is the problem with with our common culture right now,
Speaker 2: is that it's everywhere. What we have to worry about
Speaker 2: is our kids, because what happens is that this stuff
Speaker 2: is is slowly and and very methodically, and is being
Speaker 2: fed to the next generation. And what does the next
Speaker 2: generation do? What they? What are they? They're always on
Speaker 2: social media, They're always on their phones, They're always on something.
Speaker 2: They're getting spoon fed this this agenda that it's not
Speaker 2: a positive one. It's not from God at all. And
Speaker 2: we can see that blatantly when you talk about stuff like.
Speaker 1: This, And what I think is just astounding is how
Speaker 1: people just chalk it up to shock and awe. All
Speaker 1: their artists just doing this stuff, you know, to sell
Speaker 1: records and be you know, wild and crazy for attention,
Speaker 1: you know, like Ozzy Osbourne and the Bat and you know,
Speaker 1: just as Marilyn Manson. They dress up and do all
Speaker 1: this stuff just for shock factor. That's just that's just
Speaker 1: their excuse to do it, to make it okay to
Speaker 1: do it, that's all that is, or to accept it right, well,
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, it's I will And you know,
Speaker 1: like our topic today, was it Nike or whoever had
Speaker 1: the blood in the heel of the shoe? Well that
Speaker 1: was that nas X guy or whatever the name Nike.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize that that's that's the
Speaker 1: name of a foreign god, the Greek god of I
Speaker 1: think victory. I don't know. I mean, this stuff's everywhere.
Speaker 2: I always worshiped Reebok.
Speaker 1: Did you no, I'm kidding Rebok Reason, the rebok of reason.
Speaker 2: I can't. Let's not go back to last week that
Speaker 2: was their last last show. Was a little rough for
Speaker 2: me that I guess that I was here for. I
Speaker 2: wasn't here last week, So I apologize, which we.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of good responses all that. Uh, I
Speaker 1: mean we the downloads were through the roof and the
Speaker 1: response for that, and I've seen people in our community
Speaker 1: forum talking about how it was just just mind blowing
Speaker 1: for them, you know, how they never realized that, and
Speaker 1: how everybody how you're basically spoon fed from a young age.
Speaker 1: You know these ideas and things, and that's when you
Speaker 1: look in for yourself that that's not fact.
Speaker 2: That was me, Yeah, that was me.
Speaker 1: You had some shocking off.
Speaker 2: Well, I did the research and we looked in and
Speaker 2: we really got after it. And then well saying it
Speaker 2: out loud after that was painful, Like it hurt because
Speaker 2: you believe one thing a certain way your whole life.
Speaker 2: You look at look at on our dollar bill and
Speaker 2: look at it saying in God we trust, But then
Speaker 2: look at but that's not well know, the all seeing
Speaker 2: eye or the pyramid and all the different things that
Speaker 2: are on there. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: that that the in God we trust is the God
Speaker 2: of reason. It's not. It's not the God that we worship.
Speaker 2: It's not the God that that send his son to
Speaker 2: save us. It's it's a complete lie.
Speaker 1: But it's all preconditioning and programming, you know, even like
Speaker 1: with our you know, music artists, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: affecting the kids. And Satan knows who to who to influence.
Speaker 1: He picks to influencers the ones that the younger generation
Speaker 1: want to emulate and imitate. And and that's like the
Speaker 1: whole thing with the Hollywood stuff, you know, that's all
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, then they're the influences of ursiss. I
Speaker 1: want to be like.
Speaker 2: This person or this I think that's what you're say.
Speaker 2: And we keep going down that road. And you look
Speaker 2: at what do we glorify in Hollywood right now. It's
Speaker 2: all the marvel stuff and all that stuff, and that
Speaker 2: is straight. I go down that road a lot, but
Speaker 2: that's straight Nephilam stuff that we talk about when you
Speaker 2: talk about Diana, who was wonder woman? Right? Was was
Speaker 2: it was Artemis? Right? I mean that's the same the
Speaker 2: same God that they worship. Fact that this is somebody
Speaker 2: who was one of those lower case g deities at
Speaker 2: that time back then, and we're glory for right, We're
Speaker 2: we're glorifying these people that were really hercules all these
Speaker 2: different things, these are these are things that are from
Speaker 2: our past, that are things that God warned us against.
Speaker 2: But yet our culture today glorifies these things and we
Speaker 2: put them at the forefront, and we call it entertainment.
Speaker 2: And maybe it doesn't affect you or me, but does
Speaker 2: it affect our kids?
Speaker 1: See what I think is it's not even it's not
Speaker 1: even that you say it's not affecting me, but it is.
Speaker 1: You just might not be conscious enough to realize it.
Speaker 1: Which I think this needs to be a future episode
Speaker 1: all in itself. You know, pop culture. You could be
Speaker 1: stuff like that that.
Speaker 2: Could be a whole podcast, a spin off. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how crazy that is because it doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: Because that's not what today's episode is about.
Speaker 2: We went on a rabbit trail. Let's back it up.
Speaker 1: Here, all right, Stephen, you were out last week. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're feeling better. You with all our technical difficulties,
Speaker 1: He's liked.
Speaker 3: He has a special touch for something I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Well, open us up in prayer and we'll die round
Speaker 1: it own in today.
Speaker 2: Dear Lord, thank you for everything you've given us. Thank
Speaker 2: you for blessing us through this show. Help us reach
Speaker 2: that one person that we always talk about. If we
Speaker 2: can help one person become closer to you, have a
Speaker 2: better relationship with you than this whole thing has been
Speaker 2: a success for us. Please use us in any way
Speaker 2: that you see fit. And Lord, just continue to work
Speaker 2: through us and help us say the words that everyone
Speaker 2: needs to hear. And your name, we pray, Lord. Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen. Well, today's subject matter is power in what.
Speaker 3: Well, the name the blood both Well.
Speaker 2: We're gonna We're gonna dive in, aren't we.
Speaker 1: Let's get our hands dirty, clean theology. Yes, sir, let's
Speaker 1: dig dig.
Speaker 2: Well. I guess when we I guess we should start
Speaker 2: on the we have. We have two different schools of
Speaker 2: thought that I think that I think there's a little
Speaker 2: bit too much of a divide here. I think that
Speaker 2: you can't put all your eggs in one basket. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, we have to know where that
Speaker 2: comes from, where that power comes from. If that makes sense,
Speaker 2: because if we if we start looking into uh, you know,
Speaker 2: if we start with the power of the name, right,
Speaker 2: and we we talk about this, if we if we
Speaker 2: look at I mean, there's a you know, actually it's
Speaker 2: it was. It's over four thousand times in the King
Speaker 2: James version that the word God has used. Did you
Speaker 2: know that there's like four four hundred and so I
Speaker 2: had it written down and I apparently lost that sheet.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of sheets that I prepared for
Speaker 2: this one. But the word God to us throughout the
Speaker 2: Bible a lot, right, But when we go through this,
Speaker 2: if you look at just a few verses to get
Speaker 2: us kicked off. But like Philippians two nine, you know,
Speaker 2: God gave him a name above all names, you know,
Speaker 2: Romans ten thirteen. For everyone that calls upon the name
Speaker 2: of the Lord will be saved or Acts four twelve.
Speaker 2: There is salvation and no one else. God has given
Speaker 2: no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.
Speaker 2: There is I mean, you could go on forever about
Speaker 2: verses that talk about the name of God, and it
Speaker 2: shows us that, you know, God's name is important. It's
Speaker 2: very important.
Speaker 1: Which before we get too deep into it, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, kind of go I guess chronological
Speaker 1: and go back to the history. You know where it
Speaker 1: came from.
Speaker 2: Then you've got to back it up.
Speaker 1: We're going to back it up.
Speaker 2: All right, that's not how you back it up?
Speaker 1: Well, how do I back it up?
Speaker 2: She just got to say it.
Speaker 1: We don't have buzzers on our you just.
Speaker 2: Just you just have to look at their bit said,
Speaker 2: let's back it up.
Speaker 1: His nickname should be like sir mix a lot. He
Speaker 1: knows how to back it up. The oldest archaeological evidence
Speaker 1: for the divine name is from the mid fourteenth century BCEE.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the period of the judges in
Speaker 1: an ancient temple calling the Israelites the nomads of Yahweh.
Speaker 1: You know. The oldest sacred writings are what's called the
Speaker 1: Silver Scrolls, dated back to the seventh century BCEE, just
Speaker 1: before the destruction of Solomon's Temple. It contains words from
Speaker 1: numbers chapter six, verse twenty four through twenty six. But
Speaker 1: the Jewish people in their scrolls didn't use the divine
Speaker 1: name they used aloheen or out of an eye meaning Lord.
Speaker 1: This started around the time of the exile. You know,
Speaker 1: either they felt it was too holy for their lips
Speaker 1: to utter, or they were just afraid to use it
Speaker 1: while they were in captivity. So I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: the the question that I see a lot online is,
Speaker 1: you know, does pronunciation matter? I would say I would
Speaker 1: say no, because I mean, obviously I barely speak English
Speaker 1: as it is. So, but if you're speaking to the
Speaker 1: Lord or about the Lord, you know, we're He's gonna
Speaker 1: know you're speaking to him. I mean, it's it's God.
Speaker 1: He already knows.
Speaker 2: So so I guess part of this is you have
Speaker 2: to go back and once again look at the culture
Speaker 2: at that time. We always look at that. We always
Speaker 2: try to look back through their eyes and and and
Speaker 2: try to use that. The way that Heiser Gilbert would
Speaker 2: would talk about is, you know, you have to look
Speaker 2: at the way through the eyes of the people, the
Speaker 2: writers in the Bible, but even even straight through there.
Speaker 2: So they had a lot of names for God, you know,
Speaker 2: Hebrew names, you know, names that the Jews would use.
Speaker 2: The actually have seven separate names that they deem so holy.
Speaker 2: Seven seven names that they deem so holy that you're
Speaker 2: not even allowed to erase them. So, I mean, they
Speaker 2: really take the name of Jesus very seriously, and I
Speaker 2: think I believe that, and I think that the the
Speaker 2: name of Jesus, the name of God is is is
Speaker 2: very important. But I'm gonna jump in a little bit
Speaker 2: here and talk about I have right here, and I
Speaker 2: recommend if anybody can find this as far as you
Speaker 2: can find almost anything in here. I have the Holeman
Speaker 2: Illustrated Pocket Bible Dictionary, and I have this has things
Speaker 2: in it that I blow me away, and I've learned
Speaker 2: a lot from this. Just if I'm reading through my
Speaker 2: Bible and I find something that I don't understand or know,
Speaker 2: or there's something that's capitalized or in parentheses that you know,
Speaker 2: you know how the writers of the Bible did these
Speaker 2: things were they'd put something extra into to kind of
Speaker 2: show you it's important, even though maybe we don't know
Speaker 2: at face value when we're reading through a lot of
Speaker 2: things I've found in this dictionary, and it elaborates on
Speaker 2: those things. But I thought it'd be interesting to jump
Speaker 2: into the names of God and we can go through
Speaker 2: and and we can look at the Hebrew names one
Speaker 2: of the big ones. And actually I've been to a
Speaker 2: bot mitzvah and and or no, I went to a
Speaker 2: bar mitzvah. Sorry, I went to a bar mitzvah, not
Speaker 2: a bot mitzvah, a bar mitzvahs for the boy, bot
Speaker 2: mitzus for the girl. Right, But I went to a
Speaker 2: bar mitzvah. And they go through in One of the
Speaker 2: the things that they have to go through is to
Speaker 2: read some of the scripture, right, so, and they have
Speaker 2: to read it in Hebrew. But when they're when they're
Speaker 2: reading the you know, the the Hebrew text. You know,
Speaker 2: they're reading the name of God. And a lot of times,
Speaker 2: probably the most common that you hear is the Adn't I?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: You hear that a lot when they're reading the text.
Speaker 2: But I think it's really important to understand, right, we're
Speaker 2: we're reading a Hebrew name and when we see you know,
Speaker 2: ad on I or and you know, there's certain ones
Speaker 2: that everybody's heard. Everybody's heard yahweh right, everybody's heard Adam
Speaker 2: and I for the most partner, l should I You know,
Speaker 2: there was that that Christian and was Amy Grant or
Speaker 2: somebody like that. Saying that song L should die, L
Speaker 2: should I, And I can't remember the whole the whole
Speaker 2: song anyway. That is, those are popular, more popular Hebrew
Speaker 2: names that are that are out there, But there are
Speaker 2: a whole bunch. There's a l El Yung, l Olam
Speaker 2: l Roy, and then there's Yahweh Jira, Yahweh Nassaiah. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many different names. But I think it's important
Speaker 2: to look at the translation. Right, we translate the other
Speaker 2: words so we can understand it. But let's translate what
Speaker 2: the name of God is so we see what it
Speaker 2: says to us. So we see that. So if we
Speaker 2: say adam i, it means you know, lord or master, right.
Speaker 2: If we say el Shadai it means all powerful God.
Speaker 2: If we say el yon means most high God or
Speaker 2: exalted one. You know, el Ola means the eternal God.
Speaker 2: And you can just keep going right down the list
Speaker 2: of how that's translated into you know, God or judge ruler.
Speaker 2: But it's all exalted terms to show how great God is. Right,
Speaker 2: So the the translation would be God, the all powerful one, God,
Speaker 2: the great one, God, the exalted One. It is descriptors,
Speaker 2: it's adjectives, to show how great God is. Those names
Speaker 2: titles exactly, they're titles, but we have to translate things
Speaker 2: into our language that we understand it. Not everybody understands Hebrew.
Speaker 2: And I would, I mean, I'd put a couple bucks
Speaker 2: on the fact that God doesn't only read Hebrew. I
Speaker 2: would think that potentially God, you know, he might know English.
Speaker 2: You know, I hope he does, because that's how I
Speaker 2: pray to himself.
Speaker 1: Right, it's the only language I know.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope.
Speaker 1: But I just think we're so we barely know that exactly.
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say anything. You're part of the group, now, buddy,
Speaker 2: Uh okay, anyway, if you want to go.
Speaker 1: Into oh, which I was just going to go on,
Speaker 1: you know, basically the name in my opinion, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not so important, but what names and pronunciation when
Speaker 1: when they are important, it's you know, it's wicking witchcraft.
Speaker 1: You got to pronunciate the words just right to get
Speaker 1: the spell to work. And I think you've said it before.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's putting the creator of the universe
Speaker 1: in a very small box and limiting God. And honestly,
Speaker 1: there is no scripture that commands that any word must
Speaker 1: be perfectly pronounced, not even his name. But the Bible
Speaker 1: even records that even within the Jewish people, different areas
Speaker 1: had different accents. You know, you can go to Judges
Speaker 1: chapter twelve, verse five and six. It says they even
Speaker 1: had trouble hiding it. You know, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: think about us. You know, for Southerners, we can get
Speaker 1: our own language right. But one thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me was was Isaiah chapter twenty eight, verse eleven.
Speaker 1: It says, for by people of range lips and foreign tongues,
Speaker 1: the Lord will speak to his people. I mean, it
Speaker 1: says it right there. The language is not important. You know,
Speaker 1: God uses gentiles, foreign lips and tongues to speak to
Speaker 1: his people. The Israelites that are, you know, still struggling
Speaker 1: to believe in Jesus Christ to this day. And if
Speaker 1: you guys are ready, we actually had a conversation with
Speaker 1: doctor Judd Burton a while back and we actually talked
Speaker 1: on this topic and we want to play that clip
Speaker 1: for you guys. You guys ready to dive into that
Speaker 1: work from it, Let's dive in. I heard a podcast
Speaker 1: that you'd recently done onions. We're talking about this whole
Speaker 1: New Age movement and with the Hebrew roots, and basically
Speaker 1: what Paul talks about is the Judaizers. And I loved
Speaker 1: your take on that. I'd love to touch on it
Speaker 1: with you because that's that's something that I see really
Speaker 1: on the rise, and it it's my opinion that it's
Speaker 1: it's it's another one of the great tricks of the
Speaker 1: devil to to enslave God's people and put them back
Speaker 1: in the chains.
Speaker 5: Mhm.
Speaker 1: But uh, I loved your thoughts on that that podcast.
Speaker 1: I just I wanted just to have a little discussion
Speaker 1: and pick your brain on that real quickly. But with that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I see all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: people fighting over the the true name of God. You know,
Speaker 1: all the scholars throughout all the years, you know, have
Speaker 1: come up you know with you know, with Yahweh. Now
Speaker 1: there's this new Bible out called the Cipher, and they're
Speaker 1: saying that all these you know men and learned it
Speaker 1: scholars were wrong, that it's it's Yehua, and and that
Speaker 1: all the time when you see you know, Lord and
Speaker 1: all caps in your Bible, it's not a sign of reference.
Speaker 1: It's a trick from the devil. To remove the name
Speaker 1: of God from the word, so you don't have the
Speaker 1: power because scripture says over and over again, there's power
Speaker 1: in the name. There's power in the name. What's your
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on that specifically.
Speaker 5: Well, that it's other than that, it's balderdash. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you want to call God yahweh, that's fine. I
Speaker 5: mean there we have approximations of of what that would
Speaker 5: have sound like the Hebrew letters, which transliterately is why
Speaker 5: you know, why the uh?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 5: Y hbh? But you know, it's the same sort of
Speaker 5: machine that they pushed the name of They do the
Speaker 5: same thing with Jesus, the name of you know, Yeshua. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was his name in Hebrew. Well, but if you
Speaker 5: use if you use the name Jesus, then you're using
Speaker 5: the Greek language and that's pagan and well, what they're
Speaker 5: not understanding is the transliteration of a word. So Jesus
Speaker 5: is yeshaa. It's just the closest Greek equivalent. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I was working on an archaeological dig one time with
Speaker 5: some students from the University of Athens, and they never
Speaker 5: called They couldn't I couldn't say my name exactly, jud
Speaker 5: So some of them would call me Yuda. Well I knew,
Speaker 5: I knew what they were. I knew they were talking
Speaker 5: to me because that was the closest approximation that they
Speaker 5: could say, because none of them spoke spoke any English
Speaker 5: or hardly. There was one guy that spoke a little
Speaker 5: and he called me Johnny. I still knew that he
Speaker 5: was talking to me.
Speaker 1: You didn't ignore them because they didn't get the pronunciation right.
Speaker 5: I didn't ignore them or detegrate them because they didn't
Speaker 5: pronounce my name correctly. And so it's a matter. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's something that goes beyond, you know, it goes that
Speaker 5: relationship that you have with God. It goes beyond simply
Speaker 5: the use of human tongues. Okay, So me, that argument
Speaker 5: is dead on a rival that if you don't if
Speaker 5: you're not addressing that, if you're not addressing that by
Speaker 5: the Jewish name. You know that to the people that
Speaker 5: he offered this revelation to it just to me, it
Speaker 5: shows a misunderstanding of of of transliteration and title, and
Speaker 5: the misunderstanding that there's something deeper going on between just spoke,
Speaker 5: you know, between you and God than spoken language, and
Speaker 5: so you're not, you know, accidentally working some pagan God,
Speaker 5: you know, by calling God God or calling him you
Speaker 5: know whatever. That's all a matter of will. I also
Speaker 5: did an episode with the guys at Camp Roman, you
Speaker 5: know about the accidental pagan You know, you're not You're
Speaker 5: not gonna be accidentally work. You know, you're not going
Speaker 5: to fool God. In other words. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 5: think these these sort of legalistic, you know, supposedly linguistically
Speaker 5: based arguments that they might really don't hold a whole
Speaker 5: lot of water. Right.
Speaker 2: That's what I say is always is that the power
Speaker 2: is not in the name. The powers in the blood,
Speaker 2: and it was Jesus blood, and the fact that you
Speaker 2: believe that is what gets you there. God doesn't care
Speaker 2: what you call them. I mean, as long as as
Speaker 2: long as you you know, I called you Jedd Nelson
Speaker 2: earlier you knew who I was talking about.
Speaker 5: But you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But you know, in the end, it's it's the power
Speaker 2: is the fact that we believe in what God did
Speaker 2: for us. And when we say God, God knows who
Speaker 2: we're talking about. He knows who's in our hearts because
Speaker 2: we've asked the Holy Spirit to be there so we
Speaker 2: know he's there. So that ultimately is the key if
Speaker 2: you ask me for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: But with the power in the name. Now, I've said
Speaker 1: this to some people, you know, in discussions on the
Speaker 1: forms and stuff like that, and I get dismissed, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's like my interpretation, you know, and Hebrew you know,
Speaker 1: it was Hushim. You know the name well, you know Hushim,
Speaker 1: you know when you go into I think it's Proverbs.
Speaker 1: It says, you know, a good name, a good shim,
Speaker 1: you know, is to be valued over precious you know,
Speaker 1: gold and pearls and stuff like that. It ain't saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, the name Justin is better than the name Stephen.
Speaker 1: It should be chosen above all riches. No, it's I
Speaker 1: always seen that as you know, your representation, your name
Speaker 1: represents you, your character. Yeah, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the power in hushhim the name. It ain't power in
Speaker 1: pronunciating like a like a spell Yahusha, saying his name
Speaker 1: just right, you know it. No, it's you are his
Speaker 1: name bearer. You are representing him by saying you are
Speaker 1: a Christian, and that's where the power lies.
Speaker 5: MM agreed.
Speaker 2: Part of that too is that you know, Jesus was
Speaker 2: his name while he was on earth too, if you
Speaker 2: want to say, yes, Sua, because it never calls him
Speaker 2: Jesus the Old Testament, you know, we talk about it
Speaker 2: as the Angel of the Lord, anything like that. And
Speaker 2: it also says that we will have different like our
Speaker 2: earthly names are not our heavenly names, you know, our names,
Speaker 2: we will have heavenly names. So what we call God
Speaker 2: in heaven will be different than what we call them here,
Speaker 2: or what what God calls us will be definitely different
Speaker 2: than what we call what we're called here. So we
Speaker 2: were not bestowed those heavenly names. Yet they're coming, and
Speaker 2: I honestly think it's suitor rather than later. But they're coming.
Speaker 1: But even the fulfillment of the law, you know, that's well,
Speaker 1: And then we get into the the.
Speaker 5: Muddied waters of the law itself and what exactly does
Speaker 5: that mean in the Old Testament? What does that mean
Speaker 5: in the New Testament? And it's pretty clearer that they
Speaker 5: you know, again, just looking at what the languages are saying,
Speaker 5: just let them say what they're saying. We're talking about
Speaker 5: an old covenant, an old agreement, and a new agreement.
Speaker 5: And what Jesus was railing against in terms of he
Speaker 5: and he let's let's face it, he was railing against
Speaker 5: the interpretation and application of the law by the the
Speaker 5: temple infrastructure, and the rabbinical traditions of his day which
Speaker 5: had become legalistic in the extreme. And what a lot
Speaker 5: of these the Roots movement gets involved in has a
Speaker 5: lot to do with paying attention to the the Hebrew laws,
Speaker 5: the levitical laws. Yes, that that that's got to be
Speaker 5: a prerequisite, you know, for actually maintaining the law that
Speaker 5: that Jesus and the disciples and the apostles talked about.
Speaker 5: Jesus is really the He's the embodiment of the law.
Speaker 5: He's also the perfect sacrifice. So he he is really
Speaker 5: the nexus on which the Old Testament and the New
Speaker 5: Testament swings, and the when you see the law pop
Speaker 5: up in most places where New Testament authors, particularly the
Speaker 5: epistle writers, like when John in his letters is talking
Speaker 5: about the law the namas, he's not talking about Old
Speaker 5: Testament levitical law. He's talking about this new vision of
Speaker 5: the law that Jesus presented. This the purest interpretation of
Speaker 5: the law because Jesus distills all of that dad, all
Speaker 5: of the well even the ten Commandments, he distials down
Speaker 5: to what does he say, love your God with.
Speaker 1: All your heart, all your soul, and the shaman.
Speaker 5: And love your neighbor, and everything else falls in line
Speaker 5: after that. And so Jesus is teaching a a a
Speaker 5: lifestyle evangelism that's not bogged down in legalism, because legalism
Speaker 5: can become a hindrance to you know, bringing somebody into
Speaker 5: the fold.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Uh, it causes dissension, you know, amongst the people
Speaker 5: that are that are debating it for the most part.
Speaker 5: And here's what it comes down to. Look, if if
Speaker 5: God calls you, if you're Christian, God calls you, he
Speaker 5: draws you towards those kinds of observices. That's fine. I
Speaker 5: don't see anything wrong with that at all. I think
Speaker 5: I think that the New the New Testament, should point
Speaker 5: Christians to the Old Testament to look in, look look
Speaker 5: into that those are the that's the foundation of what
Speaker 5: we am. And for Jews, the Old Testament should point
Speaker 5: people to the New Testament. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: there isn't some merit, you know, and understanding the law
Speaker 5: and understanding the Old Testament. It's it's fundamental, it's foundational.
Speaker 5: But the ultimate sacrifice has already been made to satisfy
Speaker 5: the law, he said.
Speaker 1: Jesus said, He's come to fulfill the law.
Speaker 3: So if it's completed, then there's no law to have
Speaker 3: to work towards, because it's completed already.
Speaker 2: Piggyback at us, right, both of you are saying Romans
Speaker 2: two fourteen. Even gentiles who do not have God's written
Speaker 2: law show that they know his law when they instinctively
Speaker 2: obey it even without having heard it. That's Romans two
Speaker 2: fourteen telling you your conscience, what's inside you. You know
Speaker 2: what's right and wrong, what God wants you to do.
Speaker 2: The law is it's and actually we go into this.
Speaker 2: We've said this before, whether it's at six hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Laws, thirteen six and thirteen laws that they are, thirteen.
Speaker 2: Levinic laws that they're supposed to follow, but like over
Speaker 2: two hundred of them, you can't do without a temple
Speaker 2: that they haven't had in a long time.
Speaker 1: And guys, just just look around at our shirts right now.
Speaker 1: Are we wearing mixed fabric? Oh already in trouble. And
Speaker 1: that goes back to nette one too, right.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean just to get bogged, to get bogged
Speaker 5: down into all this stuff. Uh, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Just uh pere Jed, I hope you I killed that rabbit.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's almost laughable, you know,
Speaker 5: in a lot of cases distractions. Yeah, these are issues
Speaker 5: that Paul resolved in almost every one of his letters,
Speaker 5: you know. And it I mean, hey, here's Paul. Here's
Speaker 5: a guy that knew this stuff backwards and forwards. And
Speaker 5: I mean he was a fair see. Yeah, this guy,
Speaker 5: this guy he described him he described himself, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: He described himself as a Hebrews Hebrew. So here's a
Speaker 5: here's a guy who who completely understands the law and
Speaker 5: is continually telling people, you know, hey, why would you
Speaker 5: go under circumsctition? Why would you go back under the law?
Speaker 1: Even asked, whiched you foolish Galatians?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's why, I say, in some way, shape
Speaker 5: or form, virtually every epistle of Paul addresses this issue,
Speaker 5: some in more detail than others, like Galatians and Colosss. Uh.
Speaker 5: But you know he hits on this again and again
Speaker 5: and again.
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you, I can I can only say
Speaker 2: half of what Jed can say. I absolutely love Jed
Speaker 2: bar and the stuff that he can throw out there,
Speaker 2: because his knowledge base and the stuff that he can
Speaker 2: pull out for us is just it's on another level.
Speaker 2: So I think I think kind of following up on
Speaker 2: this and kind of just throwing one more thing into
Speaker 2: this that I find really important and seeing another example
Speaker 2: kind of what Justin alluded to earlier too is is
Speaker 2: a little bit I'm going to jump into Acts and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read a little section of Acts when the
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit comes right. It says, when the day of
Speaker 2: Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place, and
Speaker 2: suddenly came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind,
Speaker 2: and it filled the entire house where they were sitting,
Speaker 2: and divided tongues of fire appeared to them and rested
Speaker 2: out each one of them, and they were all filled
Speaker 2: with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other
Speaker 2: tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now there were
Speaker 2: dwelling in Jerusalem, Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven,
Speaker 2: And at this sound, the multitude came together, and they
Speaker 2: were bewildered because each one was hearing them speak in
Speaker 2: his own language, and they were amazed and astonished, saying,
Speaker 2: are not all these who are speaking Galileans? How is
Speaker 2: it that we each hear in his own native language
Speaker 2: and we go through all the different nations. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: God did this because once we talked about this before,
Speaker 2: is is this is Pentecost. God did this on purpose
Speaker 2: at this time because everybody had traveled to Jerusalem from
Speaker 2: all the surrounding countries, all the Jews, from the Lost Tribes,
Speaker 2: everybody came from different nations that all spoke different languages,
Speaker 2: so they could all leave and go back with the
Speaker 2: good news that they were telling him. God gave that
Speaker 2: initial part of the church a spark for that reason.
Speaker 2: But the Parthenians, the Meds, the Elamites, the Mesopotamians, the
Speaker 2: from Judea and Cappaacia, Pontus Asia, it goes right through Egypt, Libya,
Speaker 2: syreene Rome.
Speaker 1: They were all samplings of the seventy nations mentioned in
Speaker 1: Genesis ten. So this was, you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: this in our Bible study. You know, it was essentially
Speaker 1: a reversal of the Tower of Babble.
Speaker 2: Yes in a good way, Yeah, a reversal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a reversal of babble is a good way. But uh,
Speaker 1: and what's crazy. We talked about how it wasn't maybe
Speaker 1: the tongues that everybody was speaking one language necessarily, but
Speaker 1: everybody's ears were tuned to where they could understand every
Speaker 1: different language. And it makes you wonder if we were
Speaker 1: tuned to basically God's here in aid. You know, we
Speaker 1: all speak all these different languages, but God can understand
Speaker 1: them all.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously like a God frequency, they got the
Speaker 1: God frequency.
Speaker 2: But if if he could make other people speak in
Speaker 2: other languages, then he can understand other languages. Let's just
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just throw that out there. But I
Speaker 2: think it's really important to look at that and see
Speaker 2: that everybody was hearing the good news about God. And
Speaker 2: it says right here, we hear them, and this is
Speaker 2: in verse eleven, we hear them telling in our own
Speaker 2: tongues the mighty works of God. So they're hearing about
Speaker 2: God in their own language, and they're taking that information
Speaker 2: back to other people that speak their own languages. It's
Speaker 2: it's about the faith. It's about the belief in the
Speaker 2: name that you're you're professing. If I say, and this
Speaker 2: is we talked about this a little bit earlier, but
Speaker 2: I think this is important, and we went when we
Speaker 2: were at that Spiritual Warfare conference, we talked to like
Speaker 2: Tom Dunn was there and a couple other people there
Speaker 2: that that really go into the deliverance ministry. And deliverance
Speaker 2: ministry is kind of one of those things that a
Speaker 2: lot of Christians are scared of or it's kind of
Speaker 2: fringe to them, or they think of the extra you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's a little bit out there
Speaker 2: for them. But I think it's really important that if
Speaker 2: you look into the deliverance ministry and you look into
Speaker 2: exorcisms that have happened throughout time, and actually when we
Speaker 2: talk about the Chosen and you look at that first
Speaker 2: episode when Nicodemus is trying to go in and exercise
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalene, it's just really cool. But when you go
Speaker 2: through and you look at exorcisms and how you know
Speaker 2: when Tom Dunn's talking about it, and when he goes
Speaker 2: through and exercises, you know, somebody or goes through this
Speaker 2: deliverance ministry process, you're telling that spirit to leave in
Speaker 2: the name of Jesus. That spirit, the demon that's inside
Speaker 2: that person responds to the name Jesus, that's not his
Speaker 2: Hebrew name. They know your intent, they know who you
Speaker 2: believe in. They see your faith and the faith that
Speaker 2: you have in God, the faith that you have in Jesus,
Speaker 2: and that's why they leave. It's not because you're saying
Speaker 2: and in cantation like you said earlier, justin it's not
Speaker 2: that you're saying the right things that you're cursing that
Speaker 2: demon or saying something to that demon to go other
Speaker 2: than the fact is you have faith in God? What
Speaker 2: what is? What does God say to the Ethiopia Your
Speaker 2: faith has made you well? Right, right, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not the fact that you said God's
Speaker 2: name a certain way or that you said it's that
Speaker 2: you have a belief in that person, that that faith
Speaker 2: behind that name. But you can use that name if
Speaker 2: you have the faith behind it and know it's the right,
Speaker 2: right person that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So in The Chosen also it's in the I can't
Speaker 1: tell you which episode it is, but it has a
Speaker 1: character who's possessed another possessed person walking and they run
Speaker 1: across one of I can't remember if it was merry
Speaker 1: or if it was just one of the disciples and
Speaker 1: and the demon speaking, it's like it's like it he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: what is that smell? I can smell it all over you,
Speaker 1: which it wasn't talking about this smell like the actual
Speaker 1: sin of the guy. It could smell Jesus on them.
Speaker 1: So it you know it, knew, It's just the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a belief and a faith in
Speaker 2: God and in Jesus, it flows out of your like
Speaker 2: demons are scared of that, that faith, that feeling because
Speaker 2: God protects you, God's around you. And that's the thing,
Speaker 2: is that that power that's there, that power comes from God.
Speaker 2: That power comes from Jesus. Jesus. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: this right now. How do I know that that that
Speaker 2: that's the truth is because when I pray to God
Speaker 2: or I pray to Jesus to to for something, they
Speaker 2: answer my prayers. I feel it. I know it. I
Speaker 2: hear him speak to me through through different things, mostly
Speaker 2: through scripture. But I know that I'm hearing God. I
Speaker 2: know that He's reaching out to me when I I
Speaker 2: ask for something, right, and it's not because I said
Speaker 2: something a certain way or I said something a different way.
Speaker 2: It's because God knows my intent, he knows my faith.
Speaker 3: Well, I look at it kind of in that same
Speaker 3: g justt of things like say, certain worship songs you
Speaker 3: listen to.
Speaker 1: It moves you. You don't get moved listen to rap
Speaker 1: or to country or to rock, not like that. It's
Speaker 1: like a certain I.
Speaker 2: Don't know country moves me in a wrong way.
Speaker 1: But you talk about the power like in the faith,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I agree with you, but I
Speaker 1: kind of see it with faith, but also I guess
Speaker 1: and with the representation of the name. You know, every
Speaker 1: time you see name, the word name, you know, the
Speaker 1: original Hebrew word you know is shim. You know, we
Speaker 1: kind of touched on it a little bit with with
Speaker 1: jud Burton there, but to go deeper, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the it means the representation or the character, you know,
Speaker 1: and psalms. You know, it says a good name is
Speaker 1: to be chosen over riches. It means good character, good reputation.
Speaker 1: So it all goes back to name bearing. You know,
Speaker 1: when God called out the Israelites from Egypt with Moses
Speaker 1: and they go to Mount Sinai and then he gets
Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments. You know, despite what we're taught in
Speaker 1: Sunday School, when it says, you know, don't take the
Speaker 1: Lord's name in vain, it's not saying don't curse. Of course,
Speaker 1: you don't need to curse, don't get me wrong. But
Speaker 1: the context of what it's talking about is is the
Speaker 1: whole purpose of him pulling them out, bringing them there
Speaker 1: to that mountain is to set them apart and say,
Speaker 1: these are my people. And it even says, you know,
Speaker 1: the marks and the signs are on their head. The
Speaker 1: head is where the authority lies. So his name is
Speaker 1: upon them. They are name bearers, They are his representatives
Speaker 1: on earth. So we are to represent God. So it's saying,
Speaker 1: don't say that you're a child of God and do
Speaker 1: all the things of the pagans. That is taking the
Speaker 1: Lord's name in vain, and that is where the power lies.
Speaker 1: And honestly, the law and the commandments. It even says
Speaker 1: that it was a tutor before Christ came, because we
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Jesus was the perfect representative of the name.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's why at the cross he said,
Speaker 1: you know, it is fulfilled, and that that's where the
Speaker 1: authority lies, you know, basically, you know, like we talked
Speaker 1: about in the Founding Father's episode, you know, our works
Speaker 1: are not our covering Jesus is our covering. Works is
Speaker 1: just overflowing.
Speaker 2: It's the result, right if you if you truly have
Speaker 2: a faith in God and you truly live the life
Speaker 2: that He.
Speaker 1: Wants you to leave, the flowing out of us was
Speaker 1: what it would be your cup overfloweth That's right. But
Speaker 1: I like how jud said that. You know, well, this
Speaker 1: is the dig Bible podcast. It's a linguistic archaeology, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's not as exciting, you know that the study
Speaker 1: of words and history and stuff like that, but it's important.
Speaker 1: And I never looked into the names of the people
Speaker 1: in the Bible, and that kind of shows you where
Speaker 1: the divine name was revealed. If you look at the names,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you can ask, you know, well,
Speaker 1: when the divine name was given? Well, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: look back and see textually when was the first time
Speaker 1: you know, yahweh or wy hvh was used. But you
Speaker 1: got to remember this was written after the fact all
Speaker 1: these things happened, and then later Moses wrote him down,
Speaker 1: so he was writing these after the name was already given.
Speaker 1: So just because the first time we see it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that it was actually revealed then, because he's right
Speaker 1: after the fact. But you can look at the names
Speaker 1: and get a pretty good idea. And it's crazy because
Speaker 1: before the divine name and you in some of the names,
Speaker 1: you know it was Eloheim, el Shadai, you know, God Almighty.
Speaker 1: These all reflect times before the divine name. And some
Speaker 1: examples with those names is the the L from L
Speaker 1: Ohem in people's names, you know, in some examples is
Speaker 1: you know, Uril, Samuel, Michael, Joel, Ishmael, Gabriel, is Ezekiel.
Speaker 1: You know, all these have that that L, you know,
Speaker 1: God in their name. There's ninety three L names listed
Speaker 1: in the Bible. And what's crazy is after the divine
Speaker 1: name was given, we see the name shift. We see
Speaker 1: ah ah reflecting you know, the yah sound. That's how
Speaker 1: you can kind of see the name changed, or at
Speaker 1: least the usage of it. And the examples of it
Speaker 1: is zeph and Ayah, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Elijah.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that was pretty interesting that you
Speaker 1: can see the name change, so that reflects kind of
Speaker 1: of the the shift when the name.
Speaker 2: Might have been revealed, and we before we get too far,
Speaker 2: because I know we're about to jump into a different
Speaker 2: tangent altogether. I think it's important too when we talked
Speaker 2: about it a little bit with jud there, and I
Speaker 2: think we talked a little bit about it in the
Speaker 2: week before that. But when we go to heaven, you
Speaker 2: know our earthly name, our our name that's here is
Speaker 2: not our name in heaven. Jesus, you know, yes, you
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say, that was the name given
Speaker 2: to him at his birth. However, if and as Doug
Speaker 2: van Dorn can attest, that Jesus was throughout the Old Testament,
Speaker 2: but he appeared as the Angel of the Lord, or
Speaker 2: or as the word, or as the name, or is
Speaker 2: that there's so many different places the glory, different places
Speaker 2: that Jesus shows up in the Old Testament. Christophanes, the christophanies,
Speaker 2: thank you. So he goes through it shows up. It's
Speaker 2: my big word for the I'll give you an a
Speaker 2: for today.
Speaker 1: That's a twenty dollars word, right, but it is. I
Speaker 1: used all my money up, so can I buy vow?
Speaker 2: But it's so important that we see that that Jesus
Speaker 2: was there before he was called Jesus, So what what
Speaker 2: was what's his name in heaven? Because his name was
Speaker 2: Jesus on earth or yes, you were on earth.
Speaker 1: Revelation says, you know, nobody knows the name.
Speaker 2: And then when we get to and I talked said
Speaker 2: that with Isaiah, it says, you know, world leaders are
Speaker 2: blinded by your glory, and you will receive a new
Speaker 2: name by the Lord's own mouth. And then Isaiah sixty
Speaker 2: five fifteen, your name will be a curse among my people,
Speaker 2: for the sovereign Lord will destroy you, and we'll call
Speaker 2: his true servants by another name. So names in our
Speaker 2: you know. And we talked about this with was it
Speaker 2: Rick Hasty When we talk about God's outside space, time
Speaker 2: and matter, we can't comprehend God. We had a no,
Speaker 2: we can't put him in a little box like we said,
Speaker 2: you can't just say no God, you can only do this.
Speaker 1: If you could comprehend him, you wouldn't be God.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: So we get to that point and we see that
Speaker 2: we're all going to receive different We're getting glorified bodies
Speaker 2: and we're getting heavenly names. So and Jesus didn't have
Speaker 2: the name, yes, you or Jesus until the time he
Speaker 2: was born, until God said he came into flesh, and
Speaker 2: then then you know, the Angel told Mary, this is
Speaker 2: what you're gonna name them, right, and she did.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only one. There's many people by
Speaker 1: that name. Well, yeah, he wasn't the only Jesus, Joshua
Speaker 1: at that time. Jesus, yeah, Jesus even you know Joshua
Speaker 1: right in the Old Testament. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things. I think it
Speaker 2: shows again that in the future, you know, in a
Speaker 2: heavenly plane, you know, not only are our bodies different,
Speaker 2: but our names are different. And I think it's an
Speaker 2: important differentiation distinction to make that what we see on earth,
Speaker 2: you know, is is not necessarily you know, our names
Speaker 2: are our bodies, they're going to be different.
Speaker 1: And also when you have that mindset of the name
Speaker 1: being the the representation or you know, the whole name
Speaker 1: bearing you know, theology, it takes some of these passages,
Speaker 1: is that these power in the name, you know, people
Speaker 1: use into a whole new context. It changes the whole paradigm.
Speaker 1: You know, like I got like three examples in Psalms,
Speaker 1: you know, Psalms Verse twenty and verse one. May the
Speaker 1: name of the God of Jacob protect you. You know,
Speaker 1: it ain't the magical spelling or pronunciation. No, it's the
Speaker 1: representation and character of God itself. When people sing, you know,
Speaker 1: the Israelites, Oh there, that's the god Yahweh, that's the
Speaker 1: god they serve. You. Remember what he did to those
Speaker 1: guys in Egypt, right, don't mess with him. He built
Speaker 1: a reputation. That's what it says. That's where the protection lies,
Speaker 1: you know. Psalms twenty, verse seven. Some trust in chariots
Speaker 1: and horses. We trust in the name of the Lord.
Speaker 1: We trust in the rep you know, representation and the reputation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's mentioned in chariots and horses. It's calling
Speaker 1: back again, you know, to each Egypt you know the
Speaker 1: last one Psalms nine ten. Those who know your name
Speaker 1: put their trust in you. And you have not forsaken
Speaker 1: those who seek you. Let me say it again, you
Speaker 1: have not forsaken those who seek you.
Speaker 3: So if we seek them and call them by happily
Speaker 3: the wrong verbiage of a name, we're still not forsaken.
Speaker 1: No, he will if you are seeking I think.
Speaker 2: As we go along and we jump into the kind
Speaker 2: of the next portion of this. As we jump into
Speaker 2: this next portion, that will kind of see what really matters,
Speaker 2: what changes the game, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Are you not ready to jump in? I was born ready,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna tee it up for you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tee it up for you. When I was
Speaker 1: doing this, I found the last few verses and I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna lie. I texted you, guys, the Holy
Speaker 1: Spirit just flooded over the top of me. I was
Speaker 1: in tears trying to put this on paper, and I
Speaker 1: had already gotten it, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I got it from a whole new perspective. It brought
Speaker 1: me to a whole new level. And it was just,
Speaker 1: you know, like you guys were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: the feeling that you get and you know that God
Speaker 1: is there. And I'll try not to let my Southern
Speaker 1: Baptist preacher come out of me right now. If I
Speaker 1: start yelling, I'll back up from the mic.
Speaker 2: We'll run. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: But John chapter seventeen, verse five, he says, I have
Speaker 1: manifested your name to the people whom you gave me
Speaker 1: out of this world. You know, he manifested your name,
Speaker 1: your reputation. He manifested it. He was the perfect lamp, right.
Speaker 1: That's what's kind of hinting out there. You know. It
Speaker 1: says he came to fulfill the law. He was the
Speaker 1: only one that could live up to the name, character,
Speaker 1: or reputation of God. It says it outright, he manifested it.
Speaker 1: And because he did. First Corinthians chapter six, verse eleven, happened.
Speaker 1: You were washed, you were sanctified, justified in the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and his last words on the cross,
Speaker 1: it is finished. That was what was finished. You know.
Speaker 1: Now if you look at Acts chapter ten, verse forty three,
Speaker 1: everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through
Speaker 1: his name. It ain't that you said his name, right.
Speaker 1: What it is is once again, the representation, the character,
Speaker 1: the reputation. And basically how I understood that is he
Speaker 1: vouches for us, you know, kind of like think about
Speaker 1: those Mafia movies. You know, you do this for me,
Speaker 1: You're going to be a made man. If you do
Speaker 1: this for him, He's gonna vouch for you and nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna mess with you. Like a big brother and that's
Speaker 1: that's how I understood that. Luke. Chapter twelve, verse eight
Speaker 1: also says, deny me before men, and I'll deny you
Speaker 1: before the Father and his angels. He stands before us,
Speaker 1: in front of the divine council, and because of his name,
Speaker 1: his reputation, we are allowed in because he vouches for us.
Speaker 1: Praise God, yep. Not that we earned it, not that
Speaker 1: we're cool enough to get in.
Speaker 2: No, theol the cool.
Speaker 1: Kid, brings us in with him. He ain't got the
Speaker 1: money to take the cover charge. He covers it for us,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, it brought goosebumps all over me.
Speaker 1: There's no power in letters or vows. It don't matter
Speaker 1: how you pronounce it. If you're looking there, man, you're
Speaker 1: missing the point. If that's what you put your faith in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be sadly mistaken. You're gonna be like the
Speaker 1: Jewish exorcists in Next nineteen when they try to cast
Speaker 1: out this demon in Jesus's name. The demon looks right
Speaker 1: at him and says, I know Jesus and I recognize Paul,
Speaker 1: but who are you. It says that they ran out naked,
Speaker 1: wounded and afraid. They put their trust in the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: They weren't true believers, they weren't representing the name, or
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like the ones in Revelations that stand
Speaker 1: before the throne and proclaim, didn't we do great works
Speaker 1: in your name? Didn't we cast out demons in your name?
Speaker 1: And didn't we prophesy in your name? And he says,
Speaker 1: depart from me, I never knew you name didn't save
Speaker 1: either one of those two guys.
Speaker 2: You're right, I mean, it hits the nail on the head.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a nice way to sum that up,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't. That's not the deciding factor. You have
Speaker 2: to have the faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me of kind of like the Left
Speaker 1: Behind movies, you know, one of them. The preacher was
Speaker 1: still there after the rapture. He knows the words he
Speaker 1: preached all the time his congregation went to heaven, but
Speaker 1: it's like he didn't truly have the faith and believe
Speaker 1: it for himself.
Speaker 2: Think about think about who knows God better than anybody true?
Speaker 2: Probably Satan. Right, he's up there, he was, He's part
Speaker 2: of the original, you know, divine counsel. He has intimate
Speaker 2: knowledge of God. He's been there since God created him
Speaker 2: and he's not going to heaven, no, but he's got
Speaker 2: better knowledge of God than anybody here on earth. That
Speaker 2: right there tells you, tells you right there that a
Speaker 2: knowledge of God, or knowing God's name, or knowing those
Speaker 2: things is not what gets you to heaven. That's not
Speaker 2: what gets you there, not even close, because you have
Speaker 2: to have and we're going to get into that them
Speaker 2: where you have to have faith.
Speaker 1: Steve, and I guess that tease it up, where in
Speaker 1: your opinion does the power lie?
Speaker 2: Well, this is something that I've been working on for
Speaker 2: a while and I think if this was done even
Speaker 2: a few weeks later, we probably would have written a
Speaker 2: book by now. But I tell you it's something that
Speaker 2: draws me back. Every time I get into the Scripture,
Speaker 2: get into the word, something brings me back to this.
Speaker 2: And it's not even just that, but some of the
Speaker 2: other authors that we've read and gotten involved with have
Speaker 2: really brought me back to this. But why is it
Speaker 2: that everything in the Bible always gets brought back to
Speaker 2: the blood? Right? We talked about with Ryan Peterson, and
Speaker 2: we're going to go through a few of these things,
Speaker 2: but I'll give you a little overview. You know, we
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about Ryan Peterson about the blood line.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna go back Southern Baptist here.
Speaker 2: I'm not going I'm not gonna I'm not going.
Speaker 1: To power power, wander work in the blood, in the
Speaker 1: blood of the lamb, the lamb.
Speaker 2: Okay, we just got a recording deal Fellas, all right, No.
Speaker 1: You okay?
Speaker 3: Over there, he choked me up.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, I can't say power power you know.
Speaker 2: Power per anyway, per per No, but per power lines
Speaker 2: over this place anyway.
Speaker 1: He's just trying.
Speaker 2: No, I can't. I can't speak your language. I have
Speaker 2: no clue what it you're saying. Anyway, I appreciate that,
Speaker 2: I think anyway, in the Bible, you know, we we
Speaker 2: we always get drawn back to the blood. You see
Speaker 2: that from day one, Like I said, you you see
Speaker 2: it with the bloodline. You see it how in Genesis
Speaker 2: six the Nephelim, you know, the whole point was to
Speaker 2: corrupt the bloodline. It's all about the blood. Why is
Speaker 2: it all about that blood? What? What is there?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Why is the blood so important? And we as we
Speaker 2: get further along, you'll see sacrifice and then you obviously
Speaker 2: see in the end the ultimate sacrifice being Jesus. But
Speaker 2: in the beginning, when God created everything, he created anything perfect, right,
Speaker 2: he created everything exactly how it's supposed to be. He
Speaker 2: looked at it and said it was good. So what
Speaker 2: does that? First of all, that tells you Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve were perfect. They were ideal, They were exactly how
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be. Their blood was perfect, their DNA
Speaker 2: was perfect. I mean it had God's fingerprints all over it. Right,
Speaker 2: God did this and this is this is perfect. Same
Speaker 2: thing with the animals, obviously, and we talked about we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that, I'm sure here in a little bit.
Speaker 2: But when Sin came, you know, perfection left this world.
Speaker 2: You know after that, you know, God said, you're gonna
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna toil, You're gonna it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: You know, child bearing is gonna be painful. All these
Speaker 2: different things are gonna happen. Things got worse, right, Sin happened.
Speaker 2: But then when you get to that Genesis six event,
Speaker 2: you see that the watchers, those those fallen angels came
Speaker 2: down and they had intercourse with you know, or they copulated.
Speaker 2: You go ahead, you sing it, sing it once? No, no, okay,
Speaker 2: anyway copulation, babe. So they copulated with with those with
Speaker 2: those human women. And we went into that in great
Speaker 2: detail with Ryan Peterson about this bloodline and about you
Speaker 2: know name most likely being the mother of the first Nephelm,
Speaker 2: you know, as far as the daughter of Lambic tubal
Speaker 2: Cane's sister. Right. We talked about all this before, but
Speaker 2: going in there that that DNA, the whole point was
Speaker 2: to corrupt the bloodline, to to stop God's prophecy, God's
Speaker 2: God's covenant that he made, even with Eve saying that
Speaker 2: you know, eventually, you know, out of your bloodline will
Speaker 2: come to messiahs indirectly. The way that he said it,
Speaker 2: when it says.
Speaker 1: That, it's almost like he severed our connection with the divine,
Speaker 1: or at least that's what he was trying to do,
Speaker 1: because you know, Adam was an inanimate object until he
Speaker 1: breathed the breath of life in him, you know, and
Speaker 1: he was the first and only besides Jesus be Neaha
Speaker 1: Elohem son a direct son of God. And it's like
Speaker 1: he had to mess with that bloodline almost to kind
Speaker 1: of maybe connection that we had.
Speaker 2: I would say in this once again, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: different opinions on things. I'd say, I wouldn't say necessarily
Speaker 2: the first son of God. I think those sons of
Speaker 2: God as a whole were there, but I think he's
Speaker 2: the first human son of God. Yes, flesh of God,
Speaker 2: because I believe he was part of that in the
Speaker 2: beginning that way. But but what happened is you know
Speaker 2: obviously that that that the degradation of our DNA, the
Speaker 2: degradation and sin and then obviously entropy, and you with
Speaker 2: sin comes entropy. Everything worsens over time, everything gets worse,
Speaker 2: everything down place to the point where you know that
Speaker 2: DNA got so bad that the flood had to happen, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, we fast forward a little bit to
Speaker 2: Noah when we talk about the bloodline and what is
Speaker 2: what does uh God say about Noah? He was to mim. Now,
Speaker 2: that same word is the word that the Jews would
Speaker 2: use for a sacrificial lamb or a goat that they came.
Speaker 2: That was the term meaning it was pure.
Speaker 1: And the English that word was translated as righteous. You know,
Speaker 1: didn't mean he was perfect, sinless. It was yeah, referring
Speaker 1: to this, Yeah, it was sacrificial system blood, Yes, it.
Speaker 2: Was the blood. It was the blood perfection. Right, It's
Speaker 2: not a moral perfection. Noah wasn't perfect by no stretch,
Speaker 2: but his blood, his blood line was perfect. That's how
Speaker 2: God was preserving that covenant. And I don't know, I've
Speaker 2: been doing a Bible study with my family lately where
Speaker 2: we're going through Genesis and if you see in the
Speaker 2: first we're what through like twenty five chapters or so,
Speaker 2: and I would say that God has reconfirmed that covenant.
Speaker 2: You know, first, you know, he has the covenant with Eve,
Speaker 2: and then he goes down and we have the covenant
Speaker 2: with Abraham, and we have the covenant with I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: with Noah, then Abraham and then Isaac and then Jacob,
Speaker 2: and he just keeps saying, you know, you're.
Speaker 1: They're all so similar. Yes, it's all you know, be blessed,
Speaker 1: be fruitful, multiply, have dominion. That it's like repeating cycles.
Speaker 2: And you will have descendants as numerous as the sands
Speaker 2: of the seashore, you know, or the stars in the sky.
Speaker 2: And he just keeps re establishing that covenant. So it's
Speaker 2: talking about that pure bloodline that's coming down right from
Speaker 2: Adam all the way down to the Messiah. That's the
Speaker 2: whole point when we get to that point, when we
Speaker 2: even get to that part that I and I'm just
Speaker 2: one of my favorite parts of that Peterson book was
Speaker 2: that Judah and Tamar, because I didn't ever look at
Speaker 2: it that way when you talk about how God used
Speaker 2: that to keep that bloodline pure, because Judah had originally
Speaker 2: you know, it always talks about that, you know that
Speaker 2: from Judah will come you know, the Messiah first, that
Speaker 2: they don't come from the line of David, the line
Speaker 2: of Judah down the way. But God, Judah married a
Speaker 2: Canaanite woman. All his sons were half Canaanite, right, So
Speaker 2: God uses Tamar, his first son's wife, and ends up
Speaker 2: in the end coming back around so that she fools
Speaker 2: Judah into sleeping with her two that are not Canaanite,
Speaker 2: to have a child that that pure bloodline lives through.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is crazy. You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 2: This is like Jerry Springer on steroids. I mean, it's insane,
Speaker 2: and that all this stuff happens just to keep that
Speaker 2: bloodline pure. Blood is so important all the way through,
Speaker 2: and you can see it through that. It's just it's
Speaker 2: unreal how you see that bloodline and the Bible gives us.
Speaker 2: And that's something that I always thought was boring before,
Speaker 2: was reading those genealogies. But now I see that that's
Speaker 2: a gift. It shows us, it is it's there for
Speaker 2: a reason. It's there to show us how that bloodline
Speaker 2: was passed down all the way from Adam all the
Speaker 2: way to Jesus. Right, so we see that path that
Speaker 2: we know, oh that blood was pure. And and we
Speaker 2: get down there and we talked about it and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go too far into that because it'll
Speaker 2: it'll wear you out. But the the that Peterson when
Speaker 2: we talk to him about this and we really get
Speaker 2: into that bloodline stuff, it just gets it's just so good.
Speaker 2: I just go back and listen to that. That is
Speaker 2: such his insights, his just so good. I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to doing that one again sometime. But uh, when we
Speaker 2: go through and we start looking at corruption was not
Speaker 2: even with not all not sorry, not just with people,
Speaker 2: but it was also with animals. And we looked at
Speaker 2: that with some of the extra biblical texts when we
Speaker 2: talk about Jasher and like the Book of Giants Jubilees,
Speaker 2: you see that that blood of everything and it says
Speaker 2: that all flesh was corrupt, right, so all all blood, all.
Speaker 1: Against exact modern genomes. Blasting and manipulation. That's going on today.
Speaker 2: So interesting, and this is kind of a little rabbit trail.
Speaker 2: But when we get to Genesis nine, right post flood, Noah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get off the boat. It's time to get off.
Speaker 2: God says, it's time to get off. We're gonna get
Speaker 2: out and we're gonna go do our thing. God gives
Speaker 2: them a couple commands.
Speaker 1: And the date which we touched out. Yeah, that blood.
Speaker 1: But for those that missed it, I mean dates are
Speaker 1: important too, They are very important. The day that it gives.
Speaker 1: If it gives you a date, it's for the reason.
Speaker 1: That's the day that Jesus Christ came out of the tomb.
Speaker 1: So when they got off the boat, that was the
Speaker 1: start of something new. When Jesus come out of the tomb,
Speaker 1: that was definitely the start of.
Speaker 3: That's so well.
Speaker 2: God puts all that together. It's like a puzzle that
Speaker 2: you like, you said it before. You know, you have
Speaker 2: this puzzle piece here and you're looking at it. You
Speaker 2: can't you can't make out what that one puzzle piece
Speaker 2: is until you have them all on the table and
Speaker 2: you put that puzzle together, then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you're like, Holy, that's unbelievable. All that fits together.
Speaker 1: It changes the whole perception of the entire picture.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Genesis nine two through six, right, all the
Speaker 2: animals of the earth, all the birds of the sky,
Speaker 2: all the animals that scurry along the ground, and all
Speaker 2: the fish in the sea will look on you with
Speaker 2: fear and terror. I have placed them in your power.
Speaker 2: I have given them for you for food, just as
Speaker 2: I have given you grain and vegetables. But you must
Speaker 2: never eat meat that still has life blood in it.
Speaker 2: And I will require the blood of anyone who takes
Speaker 2: another person's life. If a wild animal kills a person,
Speaker 2: it must die. And anyone who murders a fellow human
Speaker 2: must die. If anyone takes a human life, that person's
Speaker 2: life will also be taken by human hands, for God
Speaker 2: made human beings in his own image. I think that
Speaker 2: this is the command. And there's a couple of different
Speaker 2: rabbit trails you can take off of this. But obviously
Speaker 2: we're talking about how important and the different aspects of
Speaker 2: blood here. But I think that it's interesting, and I've
Speaker 2: never really thought about it this way. We've we've talked
Speaker 2: with numerous times about how the Nephelom and different things
Speaker 2: got through the flood. But it's interesting that he's getting
Speaker 2: off the boat and he's already telling you not to
Speaker 2: eat the blood in certain animals instantly, right then, So
Speaker 2: just interesting that potentially is that also, I mean.
Speaker 1: The what lives in water? The fish?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's the fish without scales thing.
Speaker 1: And where's the leviath and come from in Revelation? Where
Speaker 1: does all the beasts and stuff come from?
Speaker 2: The abyss?
Speaker 1: See the abyss? Yeah, so I mean, yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: have to build a bunch of fish tanks and stuff
Speaker 1: like that on the art because it was bringing water,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I really do think.
Speaker 2: That something came good.
Speaker 1: That's how gam come through. And that's maybe why in
Speaker 1: some of the little vitical laws it says you don't
Speaker 1: have to eat fish without scales and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I I one hundred percent agree, but
Speaker 2: I've thought that, I've thought that for a long time.
Speaker 2: This is it's always been one of my favorite subjects
Speaker 2: in The Mermaid. Merman who knows Who knows anyway.
Speaker 3: You're like, we was discussing earlier, who would come up
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 2: So going a little further down the chronology here, as
Speaker 2: we're going, I'm jumping into Deuteronomy, and we start talking
Speaker 2: about Deuteronomy, and then you can go even into the
Speaker 2: levitical laws and things when we talk about and we
Speaker 2: will talk about sacrificing a little bit. But when we
Speaker 2: first it says right here Deuteronomy twelve twenty three, never
Speaker 2: consume the blood, for the blood is the life. You
Speaker 2: must not consume the life blood with the meat. Instead,
Speaker 2: pour out the blood and ground like water. Do not
Speaker 2: consume the blood, so that all may go well with
Speaker 2: you and your children after you. Because what you're doing
Speaker 2: will please the Lord. So God's given us strict instructions.
Speaker 2: There's something about the blood here that you're seeing right away. Right.
Speaker 2: First of all, we're not supposed to consume that blood,
Speaker 2: right and if you look back through you know stories
Speaker 2: about the Nephelm.
Speaker 1: When we look in the book at malcos Should they
Speaker 1: devoured the inhabitants of the land.
Speaker 2: And they drank their blood. That's the point is they
Speaker 2: drank the blood because they would think that drinking and
Speaker 2: This is kind of an ancient ancient world theory was
Speaker 2: if you drank the blood of your enemies, you took
Speaker 2: on their power, you took their life force.
Speaker 1: It's just like people hunting and they're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta drink or eat the heart or drink the blood
Speaker 1: or whatever. Huh. Well yeah, I mean just you know,
Speaker 1: you see the movies and such and then which that
Speaker 1: one movie, what was it Dances with Wolves where he
Speaker 1: eats the it's a tongue, he eats.
Speaker 3: Mind, it's a.
Speaker 1: Red dawn, that new one. It's just you know, like
Speaker 1: one of the boys school buddies. It kills us first deer.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you gotta drink its blood. You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, becoming a man. You killed your
Speaker 3: first deer.
Speaker 1: And he drinks it.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh it don't taste too bad.
Speaker 1: They're like, uh, he's like, well you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, he never did that, but but you know,
Speaker 1: it's that kind of the whole vampire stories too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what they've done. They drunk the blood to regenerate
Speaker 1: and rejuvenate themselves.
Speaker 2: But look again, look again, so something God forbid against
Speaker 2: and we're seeing our pop culture today. Uh, extremely huge
Speaker 2: alcohol drenochrome enough to you know it is, but that
Speaker 2: you look at there's vampires everywhere, you know, and and
Speaker 2: all the different movies, and they're romanticized. They're they're turned
Speaker 2: into the hero, they're turned into the or the whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it.
Speaker 1: I want to be like anti hero, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it.
Speaker 2: But they're they're bad because they blood.
Speaker 1: The Breaking Down series, they sparkle and they love.
Speaker 2: It's to me, it just shows you how that stuff
Speaker 2: is translating into our culture.
Speaker 1: The vampire romance novels and movies.
Speaker 2: No, that's not what was that called? That was called
Speaker 2: wasn't it Breaking Down?
Speaker 1: No, that's Twilight.
Speaker 3: No need to get on Breaking Dawn, Twilight whatever.
Speaker 1: One of the books though in the series, Oh that's
Speaker 1: the book that you read.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it didn't have no rebuttals.
Speaker 1: So just.
Speaker 2: As we keep going along.
Speaker 1: I'm editing that out.
Speaker 2: That is you do have the power. We talk about
Speaker 2: further going along, the corruption of that blood. You know
Speaker 2: after the flood where God tells the you know, the
Speaker 2: Israel's to go in and kill every man, woman and child,
Speaker 2: And I think that's really important and that we've talked
Speaker 2: about that before, but I think that's super important that
Speaker 2: people understand. You know, God is a god of love.
Speaker 2: God is a god of of you know, he wants
Speaker 2: the best for us. But at that point, if you're not,
Speaker 2: if you're if you're DNA, you're not truly even Donald degrees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even Donald watching.
Speaker 2: If see I'm losing my whole train of thought. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but if you're told the whole thing is that if
Speaker 2: with especially during the Exodus and and when you talk
Speaker 2: about when they're going into the the land of Canaan
Speaker 2: and they're told to kill all these different tribes and
Speaker 2: kill each one of these it's really important to understand
Speaker 2: why that is because otherwise people look at God and say, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that's terrible, that's awful. Why would God give? Or or
Speaker 2: maybe the church skips over some of that because they
Speaker 2: it's a it's a touchy subject, like, oh, we don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about. It's that puzzle piece that shows
Speaker 2: you these people aren't even human anymore. These are these
Speaker 2: are these are abominations to God because it's that DNA
Speaker 2: still from those that that fallen, angels that that have
Speaker 2: corrupted their DNA so that they're not what God created.
Speaker 2: They're so far removed from uh, from creation, from perfection
Speaker 2: that they're an abomination of God, which is the same
Speaker 2: reason the flood had to come. I mean it goes
Speaker 2: right back to then.
Speaker 3: So and you can't flood the world because he already
Speaker 3: said that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it. Covenant that he made. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what.
Speaker 2: You know what God is one of the reasons God's
Speaker 2: so lost and is that if you read through and
Speaker 2: you really look at it, God makes a promise. I
Speaker 2: swear every five minutes when you're reading the Bible. And
Speaker 2: guess what, he never breaks. He makes a promise. He
Speaker 2: shows you that covenant that he makes with those people
Speaker 2: all over and over and over again, and even though
Speaker 2: they keep screwing up, especially that he's got a good reputation,
Speaker 2: he's a he's a man of his word. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you God, you go through and look how many
Speaker 2: times the Israelites fell away over and over again. You
Speaker 2: know they're worshiping a golden calf or there. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just something different. You know that they fall away
Speaker 2: to idols of some other country and they're worshiping those
Speaker 2: idols and God still always, because he had a covenant.
Speaker 1: And he had a plan.
Speaker 2: He knew they would, he knew they would, but he
Speaker 2: had a covert with Abraham that had said your descendants
Speaker 2: will be so he couldn't kill him all off. Because
Speaker 2: he had a covenant. He had a promise and he
Speaker 2: fulfilled that promise. He kept true to his word and
Speaker 2: he always will. And I think that's extremely important. But
Speaker 2: now jumping in a little bit, now going a little
Speaker 2: bit next to kind of the next part of blood
Speaker 2: when I say I think the bloodline stuff extremely important,
Speaker 2: extremely fascinating. Listen to the Ryan Peterson episode he is.
Speaker 1: There's a couple parts the Tim Steadman and Tim Tim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim went into that a lot too, but just
Speaker 2: such good stuff, such good insights. I would recommend reading
Speaker 2: both of their books, The Answers to Giant Questions and
Speaker 2: then the Final Nephilim and the Judgment of the film.
Speaker 1: Just just and Tori, she won our contest for the
Speaker 1: final flum got that in the mail. Sorry for the delay,
Speaker 1: but it's in the mail.
Speaker 2: It's in the mail.
Speaker 1: Hopefully by the time you hear this, it's in your hands.
Speaker 2: This isn't gonna air another three years.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I got a good reputation to well, you gotta
Speaker 2: keep it. That's what we've got to keep it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Going into sacrifice, now, I think this is what this
Speaker 2: is a really important thing when we talk about blood. Okay,
Speaker 2: because there's and you we talked about this a little
Speaker 2: bit before we started. But sec you know, there's a
Speaker 2: there's a lot of debate on sacrifice when it started,
Speaker 2: who it was to That was another thing that I thought.
Speaker 2: Tim Steadman really was kind of blew my mind on
Speaker 2: that when I when I first really you know, when
Speaker 2: he brought that up the Canaan able. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of debate over the first sacrifice. You know,
Speaker 2: I was always taught that it was the the animal skins,
Speaker 2: you know that they say was given to Adam and Eve.
Speaker 2: Not everybody believes that. There's some things in the translation,
Speaker 2: but the animal skins supposedly that God gave Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve when they left the garden, says he clothed the
Speaker 2: basically always always kind of was taught that that was,
Speaker 2: you know, a sacrifice to cover their shame. That was
Speaker 2: kind of the first sacrifice. There once again, not everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's neither here nor there exactly. But
Speaker 2: when we were talking to and I actually have that
Speaker 2: written down right here, talking to Tim Steadman and brought
Speaker 2: up the possibility that able when when when Cain became
Speaker 2: jealous of God's acceptance of his offerings.
Speaker 1: And how he was prospering and he was.
Speaker 2: Exactly ended up being a sacrifice to potentially, and we
Speaker 2: talked about mot or potentially even Bail, like he was
Speaker 2: sacrificing Abel potentially for the same thing that you know,
Speaker 2: He's instead of bringing that gift of of his first fruits,
Speaker 2: as they say, he was sacrificing his brother for a
Speaker 2: fertile land because God wasn't listening to him in his idea,
Speaker 2: right in his mentality, God wasn't listening to.
Speaker 1: Him, right, He sis, you're gonna ignore me, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go over He exactly God to bless me.
Speaker 2: And if you look at it, it's interesting because when
Speaker 2: you read that, it show.
Speaker 1: Remembered the verbiage that he used because he said that
Speaker 1: there was something with the Hebrew words that pointed towards sacrifice.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but he told us in that show.
Speaker 2: He's given you He's given you a subconscious thought to go,
Speaker 2: what listen to that one too? No, I don't remember
Speaker 2: the verbage, but I will say that I thought it
Speaker 2: was interesting because when he looks at it and he
Speaker 2: we were talking about it. It doesn't say that it
Speaker 2: was a you know, a crime of passion. It doesn't
Speaker 2: show that. What it shows it looks like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was something that was premeditated. It said one day
Speaker 2: while they were out in the field. It doesn't say
Speaker 2: that it happened right after.
Speaker 1: It would have been like two or three months, six months, yea.
Speaker 2: It could have been two years later. We don't know.
Speaker 2: But the whole thing is it was premeditated, like this
Speaker 2: was set up like he was going to kill him.
Speaker 2: But the idea that it potentially was a sacrifice, that
Speaker 2: his blood and then what what is what is gouy?
Speaker 2: I'd say, you know, I think it's pretty cool when
Speaker 2: you see that God was still talking to them, right,
Speaker 2: and Kane was not surprised when God talked to him, right,
Speaker 2: But what does God say to King?
Speaker 1: Oh, he says, your brother's blood cries out from the ground.
Speaker 1: What have you done? I mean, he obviously already knew
Speaker 1: what he done. And I've heard some people talking. One
Speaker 1: of them is h Kenny c. You know, he talks
Speaker 1: on frequencies, and I've heard some other podcasters and stuff
Speaker 1: talk about how there's frequencies and everything. You know that
Speaker 1: there's even measurable frequencies in your blood that you know,
Speaker 1: that's you know, possibly what God was hearing the frequencies
Speaker 1: from Abel's blood crying out from the ground because that's
Speaker 1: where he poured it, because it was a sacrificial thing.
Speaker 1: Blood was the life force. He was sacrificially pouring the
Speaker 1: blood of his brother onto the ground untilized it.
Speaker 3: That's like the vikings would be the.
Speaker 1: Crops to grow. Yeah, that's pretty wild. There's about that.
Speaker 2: Now, I think. And kind of piggybacking on that, if
Speaker 2: we look at sacrifice throughout history, you'll see and you know,
Speaker 2: we can go into like Leviticus not far after what
Speaker 2: we're just talking about not eating the lifeblood. Leviticus twenty
Speaker 2: two through five talks about sacrificing to Molec, right, and
Speaker 2: sacrificing their children to Molec. And that's it's. It says
Speaker 2: if any of them offer their children as sacrifice to Molec,
Speaker 2: they must be put to death. The people of the
Speaker 2: community must stone them to death. I myself will turn
Speaker 2: against them and cut them off from the community, because
Speaker 2: they have defiled my sanctuary and brought shame on my
Speaker 2: holy name by offering their children to Molec.
Speaker 1: That was Cain's curse too, He was cut off from
Speaker 1: the community, exiled.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 1: Together.
Speaker 2: But if you look throughout history, then we can look
Speaker 2: at the Samerian texts, right like the epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: and we see that, you know what Gilgamesh and yank
Speaker 2: you do. They rip out the heart of the bowl
Speaker 2: of heaven and give it as a gift to the
Speaker 2: sun god Shamash. And you see this throughout the When
Speaker 2: we talk about sacrifice, right when, and we'll talk about
Speaker 2: God's sacrifice a little bit too. But when you look
Speaker 2: at sacrifice, it's usually in the perverted sense of it.
Speaker 2: It's it's a gift of some god to appease them,
Speaker 2: right to to either please send us rain, you know,
Speaker 2: so our crops are fertile, or please don't let there
Speaker 2: be a famine, or don't let there be this, or
Speaker 2: you know, please spare us, or don't let the volcano
Speaker 2: erupt with your anger you know, you know, don't pompey
Speaker 2: Us or something, you know what I mean, something to
Speaker 2: that nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quasi cantle all those depictions of all those sacrifices,
Speaker 1: ripping the heart out at the top of the temple
Speaker 1: and giving it to the feathered serpent to eat temple doom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Khalima, I love that movie. That's such a good movie.
Speaker 2: But you talk about that with that, or you talk
Speaker 2: about the Greek myth. You know King Agamemnon. I still
Speaker 2: never say that, right, but he sacrificed his daughter to
Speaker 2: Artemis his payment for letting the Greek fleet sail Detroit.
Speaker 2: I mean, you see this throughout history, especially that human sacrifice.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about something from the true historical
Speaker 2: record as opposed to like those myths, if you look
Speaker 2: at the Chinese Shang dynasty, which was from sixteen hundred
Speaker 2: BC to a thousand BC, they found ritual pits. And
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into ritual pits here in a minute,
Speaker 2: but ritual pits showing human sacrificed in the ying Zu
Speaker 2: where there was approximately thirteen thousand people sacrificed there in
Speaker 2: about a two hundred year span. So you're seeing human
Speaker 2: sacrifice throughout history, and I think that's interesting, very negative
Speaker 2: and not good, but interesting when the this is the
Speaker 2: one that kind of blew my mind and I had
Speaker 2: to I saw this somewhere. Then I had to go
Speaker 2: back and look up and verify at a couple different
Speaker 2: spots for myself because it was kind of blew me away.
Speaker 2: But when the Great Pyramid of Teno to Chitlam was
Speaker 2: consecrated in eighteen or I'm sorry, in fourteen eighty seven
Speaker 2: by the Aztecs, it was recorded by them that eighty
Speaker 2: four thousand people were sacrificed in four days.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of blood.
Speaker 2: That's I actually, you know, it's funny. I was gonna
Speaker 2: sit down and do the math and how many a
Speaker 2: minute that was gonna be. But you think about.
Speaker 1: That be a slaughter?
Speaker 2: How many people were eighty four thousand and four days?
Speaker 2: I mean, why people don't do that just because they decided,
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I'm gonna you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: that a lot with the you know, the two separate commandments,
Speaker 2: thou shalt not have any gods before you, and the
Speaker 2: thou shall not commit idolatry right, no worship, no other idols.
Speaker 2: So there's obviously a distinction.
Speaker 1: There ones that one's real and one of stone or
Speaker 1: would I mean yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 3: They're they're separate. Yeah, they're separate for a reason.
Speaker 2: Well, and do you think that somebody if I was
Speaker 2: to go and carve a wood statue, you know what today,
Speaker 2: I think this week will sacrifice eighty four thousand people
Speaker 2: to my wood carving I made last week. Down That
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. This shows you a volunteer. And
Speaker 2: we go back and we talk about this that those
Speaker 2: lowercase g deities, those those those ones that we talk
Speaker 2: about all the time, that that show these powers uh
Speaker 2: to these other How did the Israelites fall away so easy?
Speaker 2: Because these other lowercase g gods that they fall away
Speaker 2: to these other countries could do things. They saw miraculous things.
Speaker 2: They worn't for God's good, but they saw miraculous things.
Speaker 2: And the part where we can see that the most
Speaker 2: as we go back to Egypt once again and we
Speaker 2: see that Pharaoh's magicians. Can you know they could turn
Speaker 2: their staves into serpents, they could make the water into blood,
Speaker 2: they could bring frogs out of the nile. They couldn't
Speaker 2: do everything God could do. But but there was just
Speaker 2: you can see that they had some power, limited compared
Speaker 2: to God, but they had some power. So these people
Speaker 2: will be swayed by, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: parlor tricks because oh, look what this God can do.
Speaker 2: Look what this God can do. And that's how they
Speaker 2: fall away over and over again.
Speaker 1: Well, I love how Enoch says, you know, you thought
Speaker 1: you had wisdom and knowledge, but you know, the worstless
Speaker 1: ones exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, God didn't give you the full secrets of heaven.
Speaker 1: Did the dropouts exactly? That's what Joys said. Why are
Speaker 1: you getting your knowledge from these guys? These guys didn't
Speaker 1: finish ninth grade. There's dropouts. Even the knowledge they do God,
Speaker 1: it is just half, you know, half knowledge. Why would
Speaker 1: you get your you know, uh information from much of
Speaker 1: you know, vanity dropouts.
Speaker 2: But I think this and one hundred percent true. But
Speaker 2: I think what it's important to see is that as
Speaker 2: we go a little further and we see the that
Speaker 2: you know God also you know he when we look
Speaker 2: at the levitical law and we talk about the fact
Speaker 2: that there was there was multiple different kinds of sacrifices
Speaker 2: that that God, you know, requested, There was you know
Speaker 2: there was the sin offering, the guilt offering, the grain offering.
Speaker 2: I think there was five different ones that I wrote down.
Speaker 2: I can't remember everyone, but there was. I have it
Speaker 2: written down somewhere, the burnt offering, the grain offering, the
Speaker 2: peace offering, the sin offering, and the guilt offering, which
Speaker 2: is funny because the guilt of most people would think
Speaker 2: that's for you know, something morally wrong you did, but
Speaker 2: it was actually a reparation offering. Is more when we
Speaker 2: talk to Gilbert, which not Gilbert, I'm sorry, that's a
Speaker 2: Michael Heiser thing. I was watching the thing on him
Speaker 2: with that, and it's pretty interesting when he went through
Speaker 2: these and he talks about it, and I love and
Speaker 2: we all in this space love Michael Heiser, and we
Speaker 2: absolutely hope the best for him and his family through
Speaker 2: the hard times they're going through right now, and keep
Speaker 2: them in your prayers. But I'm going to read just
Speaker 2: a little bit and that this is kind of a
Speaker 2: paraphrase of something that of a presentation he did, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just a small small part of it. But
Speaker 2: he says multiple types of offerings were offered to God,
Speaker 2: but they weren't ever for moral sin. The language of
Speaker 2: the levitical law was about making a person acceptable to
Speaker 2: enter the system of worship because they became ritually defiled,
Speaker 2: not morally defiled, but ritually through something that was unavoidable
Speaker 2: in life like blood loss, seminal emission, a menstrual period,
Speaker 2: touched a dead body, had a baby, even had a
Speaker 2: skin rash. The system was made so that they would
Speaker 2: not defile a sacred space. After one of these instances,
Speaker 2: they would have to bring an offering and wait in
Speaker 2: a lot of time to go through a procedure that
Speaker 2: would make them acceptable to return to that same worship
Speaker 2: they had before. So you see already that like, for example,
Speaker 2: there was no sacrifice for adultree or idolatry for that matter.
Speaker 2: And this is two of my favorite things when we
Speaker 2: talk at sacrifice. He had two quotes, and I'm quoting
Speaker 2: verbat him on these, but this is the deficiency of
Speaker 2: the law and the superiority of the Gospel. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was such a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: Is showing that sacrifice that you see the deficiency of
Speaker 2: the law because it doesn't take care of us morally,
Speaker 2: it doesn't change it.
Speaker 1: It was perfect. Why why a new one you know,
Speaker 1: if the law was perfect, why did Christ have to
Speaker 1: come and change it?
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the next quote that he had. It says,
Speaker 2: because the sacrifice of Christ covers everything, and those two
Speaker 2: things right there. I mean, that's enough to get you
Speaker 2: kick started with your faith right there. But it's just
Speaker 2: so cool to see and I love that that phrase
Speaker 2: that that when he says this, this is the deficiency
Speaker 2: of the Law and the superiority of the Gospel. I
Speaker 2: don't think you can say it much more plainly than that,
Speaker 2: but I just absolutely loved that and thought that was
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta give a lot of props to
Speaker 2: Michael Heiser and being able to break that down and
Speaker 2: kind of show us the verbiage that you know, in
Speaker 2: a way that we can't translate it to show us,
Speaker 2: you know, that other side of things. But this is
Speaker 2: this is a little bit you know, when we talk
Speaker 2: about other gods as far as the lower case g gods.
Speaker 2: Don't get me. There is only one true God and
Speaker 2: we always talk about this, but we talk about those
Speaker 2: lower case gee gods, those other fallen angels. The way
Speaker 2: I like to look at it, and I want your guys,
Speaker 2: obviously opinion on this. But the way I like to
Speaker 2: look at it is I look at it as like
Speaker 2: a mirror of God.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: They try to imitate what God does because they want
Speaker 2: the worship, they want the affection of the people. And
Speaker 2: when they realize that they don't have the power that
Speaker 2: God does, the awesome power that God does, they end
Speaker 2: up using things like fear, through requiring things like human sacrifice,
Speaker 2: through requiring things that something God would never ask for,
Speaker 2: actually even warned against, forbid against. But these other they
Speaker 2: required this and for a couple reasons. But personally, I
Speaker 2: think one of them is really important. And we thought
Speaker 2: we can go back to the parable of the prodigal
Speaker 2: son when we talk about, you know, the angels being
Speaker 2: the big brother, the older brother, and that we're the
Speaker 2: younger brother, because in that parable, we're the ones that screwed.
Speaker 1: Up, felthy and dirty, and yes, we're the ones that sinned,
Speaker 1: and they believe they're superior, and so they're angry.
Speaker 2: When we come back. They're angry. So those angels, those
Speaker 2: fallen angels, those same ones that are masquerading as gods
Speaker 2: to all these other nations, to the Aztecs, to the Mayans,
Speaker 2: to the to the Greeks to the Romans, the ones
Speaker 2: that are masquerading is these gods. They're not only not
Speaker 2: only are they trying to say, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: God has his sacrifices, we have ours.
Speaker 1: See. I think that's why they require the sacrifice because
Speaker 1: they hate us.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's part of it, or not necessarily destroy.
Speaker 3: But if they say, okay, worship me, but I'm going
Speaker 3: to require you to kill your children, now you're doing
Speaker 3: something against God.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're choosing sides, not just being wishy washy.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with you today and you have
Speaker 1: to you tomorrow. Yeah, it's of course. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think is no Switzerland. I think I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to choose a side. I think that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of the human sacrifices and the different things that they
Speaker 1: would have you do is to make you prove you're
Speaker 1: with they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who you serve? That's right, That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't serve two masters.
Speaker 2: Hatred drives them to the point that they want, like
Speaker 2: I think that they get enjoyment out of when they
Speaker 2: had that human sacrifice. It's the same thing, you know,
Speaker 2: when it said in those sacrifices that when you earned
Speaker 2: the fat, you know, the aroma was to the Lord.
Speaker 2: When those fallen angels, those other lower case g did
Speaker 2: he that's pleasing to them to have a human sacrificed.
Speaker 2: And that is because it's it's yeah exactly, and seeing
Speaker 2: you know they hate us, they hate us at the.
Speaker 3: Same time they're killing they're killing us on top of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And I think that's a huge thing that
Speaker 2: we talked that we need to see there.
Speaker 1: But because they can't kill God, I think because it
Speaker 1: says we are divine imagers. You know, you're not to
Speaker 1: kill another divine imager because metaphorically you're killing God. Well,
Speaker 1: and they can't do that, so the next best thing
Speaker 1: is us. Well, well we'll look at it. Look at
Speaker 1: it to this effect Job. The devil can't do nothing
Speaker 1: to Job until God gave him permission. But we have choice.
Speaker 1: So if I can talk you into killing you, I
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Oh it's a contract loophole, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's just. And if they if they
Speaker 1: despise us, then I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you to worship me while I get you to kill
Speaker 1: more people like you than I despise anyways, So it's
Speaker 1: a win win, and it's also unpleasing to God himself.
Speaker 2: So but you think you've got to remember though, the
Speaker 2: same thing. So when we look at God, God used
Speaker 2: the blood of those sacrifices as a purification, right, it
Speaker 2: was a substitution for us. And it's the same thing
Speaker 2: if you look at, for example, one of the best
Speaker 2: cases and this is another Heiserism if you want to
Speaker 2: say it, but one of the best cases for a
Speaker 2: substitution is the passover Lamb. Right when we're back in
Speaker 2: Egypt and the Angel of death is coming. What is
Speaker 2: it that saved the firstborn of the Israelites?
Speaker 1: He was the blood, the blood of yeah, painted on
Speaker 1: their door, on their door, on the door.
Speaker 2: So you see again the importance of the blood the
Speaker 2: and not only not only there is I think the
Speaker 2: blood is so important, but you're seeing that that the
Speaker 2: substitution for us, for our sin. But you're seeing the
Speaker 2: forecoming again of Jesus. It's the same thing the passover.
Speaker 2: You're seeing that the Lamb giving up his life for us, right,
Speaker 2: and you know we see that throughout the Bible in
Speaker 2: different places. How you know the lamb is sacrifice the lamb,
Speaker 2: and that's where the tomm We can go back into
Speaker 2: the to mem and talk about the perfection.
Speaker 3: I mean, was it Abraham who had to go up
Speaker 3: sacrifice his son Isaac?
Speaker 1: Isaac? It's right there, God said stop out, provide the sacrifice.
Speaker 1: And then they say that's the same hilltop that Jesus
Speaker 1: died on the cross at, which is wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that one kind of threw gloss right
Speaker 2: over that, and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I mean it's just the foreshadowing
Speaker 1: of it all even.
Speaker 2: All right, real We're gonna jump into the next part here.
Speaker 2: There is a couple of things that I think that
Speaker 2: it's uh, actually one more verse that kind of relates
Speaker 2: to that and why the hatred and and things of
Speaker 2: that there. I think this is kind of important. If
Speaker 2: you look at first Corinthians six two and three, it says,
Speaker 2: and we talked about big brother hate and little brother
Speaker 2: a little bit here. Don't you realize that someday we
Speaker 2: believers will judge the world. Can't you even decide even
Speaker 2: these little things among yourselves? Don't you realize that we
Speaker 2: will judge angels?
Speaker 1: I tell you what the ones that have transgressed here.
Speaker 2: Have chosen their path.
Speaker 1: Right. I listened to Timothy Albarino. Now he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of good thoughts. I don't agree with him on
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but he's oh, I think he's
Speaker 1: great a lot of stuff. And I loved I heard
Speaker 1: him talk. And he said a lot of people get
Speaker 1: that misconstrued that we're going to be exalted above the angels.
Speaker 1: He said. My opinion, he said, is we were given
Speaker 1: dominion of earth. This is what we have dominion over.
Speaker 1: These angels came down to our dominion and transgressed. He said,
Speaker 1: those are the ones. He said that I believe that
Speaker 1: Scripture is talking about that we will judge. He said,
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to say, well, no, when
Speaker 1: we go to heaven, when it's all over with, we're
Speaker 1: going to rule over the angels and everybody. He says,
Speaker 1: I think that's bad theology. He said. He said, they
Speaker 1: have dominion of heaven, we have dominion of earth. He said,
Speaker 1: they came into our dominion.
Speaker 3: So they they come out law, they come into our territory.
Speaker 1: So if you go to you know, Syria and correct crime,
Speaker 1: Yes you're an American and you can claim I didn't
Speaker 1: know the law, or that doesn't matter. You're still held
Speaker 1: accountable and judged under the law. He said, so they
Speaker 1: will be held accountable on earth for breaking our realms law.
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty I've actually yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: Timothy's got some great insights, and I.
Speaker 1: Keep emailing him. He Maale knows Tim you'll put in
Speaker 1: a good word for me.
Speaker 2: He's I love listening to Tim. I think he's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I like you said, I don't agree with him on everything,
Speaker 2: but I think that I love listening to him because
Speaker 2: he does. He makes me think, he makes he stretches
Speaker 2: my mind a little bit. It makes my mind exercise
Speaker 2: a little bit, which I really appreciate. I love that
Speaker 2: if we all thought exactly the same way, this would
Speaker 2: be really boring and you wouldn't need us to even
Speaker 2: dig into anything. But I guess the next step when
Speaker 2: we talk about this, when we talk about the blood
Speaker 2: is the most important part. Right, We're seeing the importance
Speaker 2: of blood through the blood line throughout history, all the
Speaker 2: way through Jesus. We're seeing the importance of blood. When
Speaker 2: we talked about sacrifice and how we're seeing it from
Speaker 2: the side of God, and we're seeing it from the
Speaker 2: side of those fallen angels, those those other lowercase g
Speaker 2: gods that we talk about. We're seeing that that blood,
Speaker 2: that kind of blood feud for. It's the Hatfield McCoy
Speaker 2: side of things, going back and forth there, you're seeing
Speaker 2: that the blood is super important through there. And then
Speaker 2: we're getting all the way now to salvation. Right, So
Speaker 2: a couple of couple of things. First of all, first,
Speaker 2: John five six year eight says we must be born of.
Speaker 1: Must be born of water and of spirit.
Speaker 2: And the blood and blood all three. Right, I'll finger
Speaker 2: shoot you. I'll finger shoot you right now. Think about
Speaker 2: the first think about the asked, think about the last Supper, right,
Speaker 2: really important to think about. And we talk about this,
Speaker 2: we do this and and pretty much almost every church
Speaker 2: celebrates communion, right, they use it as one of their sacraments.
Speaker 1: Or or at least George Washington.
Speaker 2: That's true. George Washington refused communion.
Speaker 1: But uh, I just keep plugging all these previous.
Speaker 2: I know you're doing a really good job of it.
Speaker 3: Does kind of like stop comming, didn't he.
Speaker 2: But after after the preacher called him out and just
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 4: Symple, I just won't show up his wife kept going though,
Speaker 4: but uh, I think you got to look at this
Speaker 4: in the way that Sorry, now you got me all
Speaker 4: distracted again.
Speaker 2: You think about Last Supper. We talk about the you
Speaker 2: know when when the Jesus with the disciples and he's saying,
Speaker 2: you know, this is my body taking eat, this is
Speaker 2: my blood, take and drink. Right, He's he's metaphorically showing
Speaker 2: them what it takes to be saved. It's you have
Speaker 2: to believe in him.
Speaker 1: His blood is what saves you. You have a marriage
Speaker 1: salt covenant.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Vicky Joy, Right, And I think that is
Speaker 2: such an important thing that we see. And you know,
Speaker 2: people go and we do communion in so many churches
Speaker 2: right there. Most churches have communion in one way or another,
Speaker 2: and a lot of us, I think, get lost on
Speaker 2: that and don't truly understand what that means. That that
Speaker 2: you know, we maybe we just go through the motions.
Speaker 2: But communion, you know, it is symbolic, you know, but
Speaker 2: that's God giving us his blood, his salvation, his sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And I think that we have to to to really
Speaker 2: always remember go back to that, what what is the power?
Speaker 2: What saves us? When we talk about the power, where
Speaker 2: is the power. The power is in Jesus' blood. He
Speaker 2: died on the cross for us. I mean without that,
Speaker 2: we don't go to heaven. You could say a name
Speaker 2: every different possible way, in every language and it wouldn't
Speaker 2: matter because you still would be imperfect. But because of
Speaker 2: jesus blood, because Jesus' blood was shed for us, then
Speaker 2: we have salvation that changes the game. A name doesn't
Speaker 2: change the game. Jesus' blood changed the game. Our faith
Speaker 2: that Jesus did that for us is what changes the game.
Speaker 2: Jesus reputation because he did that changes the game. All
Speaker 2: those things that he did for us. God gave his
Speaker 2: only begotten son. I mean, we could go through and
Speaker 2: every Bible verse that we've been memorized since we were
Speaker 2: little kids. It's basically beating that into our heads. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, how often do we stop and
Speaker 2: think about it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what I was talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I done got the idea, but looking at
Speaker 1: it from a different angle, man, it did. It just
Speaker 1: hit me like a train and it's humbling very.
Speaker 2: And I have one of those moments I'd like I
Speaker 2: said about once a week where something just grabs me
Speaker 2: and it's because I'm trying and I'm not great at it.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest about I'm seeking. He's sure not, but
Speaker 2: I pray for it, and I want him to show
Speaker 2: me something. I pray for it, and I pray for it.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because it'll always hit me when I'm
Speaker 2: not expecting it and it takes me off guard. But
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. I love it. It makes me
Speaker 2: so happy. But back again, going back into the sacrifices
Speaker 2: and talking about how the sacrifices weren't about for moral sin.
Speaker 2: Right it was? It was it says in Hebrews ten four. Right,
Speaker 2: the blood of bulls and goats don't take away sin,
Speaker 2: only the blood of the lamb. Just so important. What
Speaker 2: is this right here? I okay, Hebrews Uh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to read a quick little verse here and this is
Speaker 2: this is the last thing I have on this altogether.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna read this. I shouldn't say verse. It's
Speaker 2: Hebrews nine eleven through twenty two, and I just from
Speaker 2: my point of view, I want to end on this
Speaker 2: and then you guys jump in wherever. But so Christ I.
Speaker 1: Got one thing here after He's dealing with this.
Speaker 2: Do you want to go ahead?
Speaker 1: Well, it goes to the Jesus died on the cross
Speaker 1: his blood, right, so you sit me the link there
Speaker 1: the other day of Ryan Peterson's little Thursday Night theology thing, right,
Speaker 1: So he this is his take on it. He says,
Speaker 1: the we're in revelations, right, And it says, and I
Speaker 1: saw a strong angel shouting with a loud voice. This
Speaker 1: is what chapter five, verse two. Who is worthy to
Speaker 1: break the seal of the scroll and open it?
Speaker 3: But no one on, no one in heaven, on the earth,
Speaker 3: under the earth, was able to open the scroll.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He thinks this event happened when Christ died on the cross.
Speaker 1: I think it was right after the ascension, right, Well,
Speaker 1: whichever you know, And he says, and then I began
Speaker 1: to weep because you know, no one was found worthy.
Speaker 3: And then it says, stop weeping. Look, the line of
Speaker 3: the tribe of Judah, the air of David's throne has
Speaker 3: won the victory. So therefore it was him dying on
Speaker 3: the cross that gave him the power of everybody, spiritual
Speaker 3: realm or earthly realm, all of it to be able
Speaker 3: to take the scroll.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's yeah, I mean it could be because
Speaker 1: where we traded it, right, I mean, it's just I've
Speaker 1: always was taught for this, which this is a whole
Speaker 1: different episode.
Speaker 3: You know that it all kind of happens he sequence
Speaker 3: all at one time. But like we talked own near
Speaker 3: to God. Yeah, the whole one day to a thousand years.
Speaker 2: God's outside of it, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: It could be all the same. Yep. But an he
Speaker 1: has with the blood part all.
Speaker 2: Right now, I guess I'll leave everybody with this. But
Speaker 2: Hebrews nine eleven through twenty two. So Christ has now
Speaker 2: become the high priest over all good things that have come.
Speaker 2: He has entered that greater, more perfect tabernacle in Heaven,
Speaker 2: which is not made by human hands and is not
Speaker 2: part of this created world, with his own blood, not
Speaker 2: the blood of goats and calves. He entered the most
Speaker 2: high place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.
Speaker 2: Under the old system, the blood of goats and bowls
Speaker 2: and ashes of a heifer could cleanse people's bodies from
Speaker 2: ceremonial impurity. Just think how much more the blood of
Speaker 2: Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds, so that
Speaker 2: we can worship the Living God. For by the power
Speaker 2: of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for
Speaker 2: our sins. That is why he is not the one
Speaker 2: who mediates a new covenant between God and the people,
Speaker 2: so all that who are called can receive the internal
Speaker 2: inheritance of God as he has promised them. For Christ
Speaker 2: died to set them free from the penalty of sins
Speaker 2: they have committed under that first Covenant. Now, when someone
Speaker 2: leaves a will it will, necessarily it is necessary to
Speaker 2: prove that the person who made it is dead. The
Speaker 2: will goes into effect only after the person's death, while
Speaker 2: the person who is who is I'm sorry that while
Speaker 2: the person who made it is still alive, the will
Speaker 2: cannot be put into effect. That is why the first
Speaker 2: Covenant was put into effect with the blood of an animal.
Speaker 2: For after Moses had read each of God's commandments to
Speaker 2: all the people, he took the bloods of calves and
Speaker 2: goats along with water, and sprinkled both on the book
Speaker 2: of God's Law and all the people using hissop branches
Speaker 2: and scarlet wool. Then he said, this blood confirms the
Speaker 2: covenant God has made with you. And in the same
Speaker 2: way he sprinkled blood on the tabernacle and on everything
Speaker 2: used for worship. In fact, according to the law of Moses,
Speaker 2: nearly everything was purified with blood, for without the shedding
Speaker 2: of blood, there is no forgiveness. Thanks everybody, keep on digging.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is there is power, power, wander
Speaker 1: work in there in the blood, blood, lad the lamb.
Speaker 3: See you guys, you know that it all kind of happens,
Speaker 3: the sequence all at one time. But like we talked
Speaker 3: near to God, Yeah, the whole one day to a
Speaker 3: thousand years.
Speaker 2: God's outside of it, you know, it's it.
Speaker 3: Could be all the same. But anyhows with the blood part?
Speaker 2: All right now, I guess I'll leave everybody with this.
Speaker 2: But Hebrews nine eleven through twenty two. So Christ has
Speaker 2: now become the high priest over all good things that
Speaker 2: have come. He has entered that greater, more perfect tabernacle
Speaker 2: in Heaven, which is not made by human hands and
Speaker 2: is not part of this created world, with his own blood,
Speaker 2: not the blood of goats and calves. He entered the
Speaker 2: most high place once for all time, and secured our
Speaker 2: redemption forever. Under the old system, the blood of goats
Speaker 2: and bowls and ashes of a heifer could cleanse people's
Speaker 2: bodies from ceremonial impurity. Just think how much more the
Speaker 2: blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds
Speaker 2: so that we can worship the living God. For by
Speaker 2: the power of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Christ offered himself to God as a perfect
Speaker 2: sacrifice for our sin. That is why he is not
Speaker 2: the one who mediates a new covenant between God and
Speaker 2: the people, so all that who are called can receive
Speaker 2: the internal inheritance of God as he has promised them.
Speaker 2: For Christ died to set them free from the penalty
Speaker 2: of sins they have committed under that first covenant. Now,
Speaker 2: when someone leaves a will it will necessarily it is
Speaker 2: necessary to prove that the person who made it is dead.
Speaker 2: The will goes into effect only after the person's death.
Speaker 2: While the person who is who is I'm sorry, well,
Speaker 2: the person who made it is still alive, the will
Speaker 2: cannot be put into effect. That is why the first
Speaker 2: covenant was put into effect with the blood of an animal.
Speaker 2: For after Moses had read each of God's commandments to
Speaker 2: all the people. He took the bloods of calves and
Speaker 2: goats along with water, and sprinkled both on the Book
Speaker 2: of God's Law and all the peace people, using hissop
Speaker 2: branches and scarlet wool. Then he said, this blood confirms
Speaker 2: the covenant God has made with you. And in the
Speaker 2: same way he sprinkled blood on the tabernacle and on
Speaker 2: everything used for worship. In fact, according to the law
Speaker 2: of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood, for without
Speaker 2: the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness. Thanks everybody,
Speaker 2: keep on digging.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is there is power, power in
Speaker 1: the blood. See you guys,