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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, how you doing. This is Cliff, your host of Destiny,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you're doing well today. I have been

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<v Speaker 2>reviewing a number of excellent photographs taken on Rapa Nui

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<v Speaker 2>when we were visiting the quarries, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most outstanding photographs, actually quite an anomaloust photograph, is of

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<v Speaker 2>a figure very close to the one of the quarries

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<v Speaker 2>that is sitting on his knees, facing up, hands it aside,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has a beard. And it's the only Rapa Nui,

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<v Speaker 2>or excuse me, the only moi sculpture of its kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the entire island. Is No other sculpture has been

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<v Speaker 2>found like this, and it's very rarely discussed simply because

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a strange position for one of these figures

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<v Speaker 2>to be sitting. And also it's about a third of

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<v Speaker 2>the size. It's only about i'd say, oh, maybe eight

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<v Speaker 2>ten feet at the most tall. He's about a third

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<v Speaker 2>of the size of the typical moi, which are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen to twenty feet in height and weighing half a ton,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, extremely heavy volcanic rock. This guy is volcanic

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and there's a lot of other fascinating elements

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Got to wonder what is he looking at. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what we don't really know is if the people who

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<v Speaker 2>settled in the Repnue Easter Island were also into cosmology,

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<v Speaker 2>studying the stars. We had a number of opportunities during

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<v Speaker 2>the evening to look at the sky at night, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was amazing. It was like the lights were turned

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<v Speaker 2>on at every star was available. The Milky Way was

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<v Speaker 2>in its full splendor, beautifully splashed across the skyline. And

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<v Speaker 2>these early settlers must have seen this with great clarity.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this figure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is odd.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to wonder, is this are we looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a shaman? Are we looking at a what the Maya

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<v Speaker 2>call a daykeeper, somebody who keeps an eye on cosmological

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<v Speaker 2>activity the seasons?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know. Now. One of the things that we believe,

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<v Speaker 2>we know this is academic view, is that the settling

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<v Speaker 2>of Repanu is only a couple thousand years old. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>when you go there, when you go to Easter Island

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at des Mois, they are cittying on

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<v Speaker 2>artificial walls, and these walls are made up of megalithic

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<v Speaker 2>sized half ton stone masonry. This is something we see

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<v Speaker 2>in other megalithic ancient Old World cultures. We see it

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<v Speaker 2>in Peru, we see in Egypt, we see it in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 2>Bellback Lebanon, we see it in Malta. We see it

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere where ancient cultures have been described and found. And

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<v Speaker 2>here we are again on what is thought to be

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<v Speaker 2>an isolated island with megalithic wall building using the same

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of techniques of placing stones together. Go to the

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<v Speaker 2>website Facebook and go to Earth Ancients and go to

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<v Speaker 2>the international or group page and see it firsthand. These walls,

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<v Speaker 2>they are magnificent. But what's really curious again is this

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<v Speaker 2>sitting figure looking up, bearded handsed its side and there's

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<v Speaker 2>some very faint symbology on his lower back. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much weathered, so there's not a great deal to see.

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<v Speaker 2>But we just don't know enough about this sculpture. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful that it's so close to the quarry because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's going to see it. In fact, they have it

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<v Speaker 2>fenced off so you walk right by it, but you

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<v Speaker 2>could reach in in touch with you. They really don't

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<v Speaker 2>like you touching any of the sculptures on the island,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, So that's a fantastic observation. I really

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that you take a look at that sculpture and

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<v Speaker 2>see for yourself. Unusual, one of a kind, rarely discussed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's on Rapahnui, Easter Island in the Pacific. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>today's program is about journaling, and this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about rarely, and it's a powerful way to

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<v Speaker 2>really get in touch with your inner self, your subconscious

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<v Speaker 2>mind when you have the proper questions, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about processing and getting back in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>your guidance, your higher self, your unconscious mind, and why

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<v Speaker 2>this is important, especially with what's going on right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about what's going on in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>which actually is fact as affecting the entire world. We

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<v Speaker 2>are on shaky ground here and I have always said

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<v Speaker 2>that we will give the new administration some time, but

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<v Speaker 2>right now there's a great deal of adjustment going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a tremendous amount of adjustment, and people are very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think unless you're his in the send, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that the stock market has been plunging. We just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We do not know what's going on. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>an adjustment period and things are all going to work out.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know. But this just makes everyone nervous, makes

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<v Speaker 2>them upset, makes you uncomfortable, and it's a good time

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<v Speaker 2>to begin processing and figuring out what's going on internally internally.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to be talking with a psychologist named

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Carl Greer, and he wrote a book called Go

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<v Speaker 2>Within to Change Your Life, a Hidden Wisdom workbook for

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<v Speaker 2>personal transformation. And this is exactly what this is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are like, you know, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a therapist, you need to go to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to work with you. And people will say, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to. I'm embarrassed. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell people going to a therapist. They'll think I'm crazy

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<v Speaker 2>or I can't afford a therapist. I cannot afford the

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of dollars they charge me for a sitting session.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a new technique. This is a new way

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<v Speaker 2>to at least begin working with issues that may be

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. And it's a workbook, and it's a journaling

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<v Speaker 2>work work where you have questioned you you'll read a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Then you have a question and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have an answer that you give, and that answer begins

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<v Speaker 2>to form an understanding of what's going on with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It extracts important subconscious data and from that then you

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<v Speaker 2>can begin processing and figuring out why am I depressed?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did I do not have an appetite? Why is

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<v Speaker 2>my relationship or relationship so bad? Why do I hate

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<v Speaker 2>my job? You know, it's not great to walk around

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<v Speaker 2>your whole life and be depressed and not have a

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<v Speaker 2>solution for it. And this is a solution. Remember, destiny

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<v Speaker 2>is all about tools for trans for nation. So today's

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<v Speaker 2>program is the subtle art of journaling. And my guest

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<v Speaker 2>is doctor Carl Grier. Hey, if you ever thought about

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<v Speaker 2>an exotic tour, think about Earth Ancients tours. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a series of tours every year. We have our final

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<v Speaker 2>tour that's finally out as our Sacred Temples of Guatemala

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<v Speaker 2>December one through the twelfth. Let me tell you about this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I love going to Mexico, but it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much hands off on climbing, on interacting with the temples

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<v Speaker 2>and the pyramids. I love pyramids. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 2>the Mexican government has reduced and in many cases eliminated

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<v Speaker 2>is Interacting with shaman and mayan shaman will open the

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<v Speaker 2>energetic fields of a archaeological park, making it very much

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<v Speaker 2>more accessible. In Guatemala, you can actually climb the pyramids,

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually walk and sit and meditate on the

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<v Speaker 2>temples and the local shaman. The may and Shama shaman

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<v Speaker 2>are an integral part of the tour. Join us for

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<v Speaker 2>this once in a lifetime tour in the region of Guatemala.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be visiting Tikal and the famous Lost World Pyramid.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the pyramid that John Burke the scientists tested

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<v Speaker 2>for energy fields and it actually, throughout the day pulses

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<v Speaker 2>emissions to lyric energy up and out into the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be able to interact with that pyramid. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to interact at to call and a number of

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<v Speaker 2>other noted Mayan ruins. For all the details and to register,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Earthancients dot com forward slash Tours. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see the full like tenerary. If you have any questions

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<v Speaker 2>that all send me an email. Send it to Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients the number four the letter you at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Check this out. This is a rare opportunity to really

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<v Speaker 2>interact with pyramids, interact with the cultures, and really get

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of the ancient past and the energetics that

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<v Speaker 2>were part of the Mayan culture. Again, for more information,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Earth Ancients dot com, forward slash Tours. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not to be missed. You know, we're really challenged

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<v Speaker 2>these days with all the trauma happening in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just political trauma, it's economic. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are what I call walking wounded.

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<v Speaker 2>They're walking around suffering and not really knowing how to

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<v Speaker 2>resolve their issues. And what I like about Destiny is

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<v Speaker 2>that we have different presenters who are providing tools for transformation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that term. I've used it for decades

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<v Speaker 2>simply because it's an easy way to explain methods and

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<v Speaker 2>you can even call him remedies for some of this trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's guest is Carl Greer. He is a Youngian analyst.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a former clinical psychologist, and he's a shamanic practitioner.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to find out what that means. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>written a new book called Go Within to Change Your Life.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a unique book and it's actually what

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<v Speaker 2>you can consider a workbook where you actually journal your

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<v Speaker 2>process during thinking and you get it to the root

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<v Speaker 2>of your problems. And so we'll learn more about that today. So, hey, Carl,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so nice to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>You use a lot of terms in the book that

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<v Speaker 2>I really like. Let's start with the one that is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of carried out throughout the book, which is hidden wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>What is when you say your hidden wisdom, how do

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<v Speaker 2>we tap that? And really what is the hidden wisdom?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the hidden wisdom is that part of you

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<v Speaker 1>that can help you deal with the dilemmas of when

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<v Speaker 1>you sometimes say, hey, why did I say that? Or

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<v Speaker 1>why did I do that? And I believe the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is part of us wanted to do that and say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So to get to that part, I think we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go within in ways that we typically don't do.

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<v Speaker 1>And gist of my book is ways to access that

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<v Speaker 1>information so that we have more information to make changes

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<v Speaker 1>that we might like to make in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as a as a psychologist, you see people

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<v Speaker 2>or you were you're retired now, but you are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>people in all phases of trauma. I would imagine some

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<v Speaker 2>people are, you know, so depressed that they want to

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<v Speaker 2>leave the planet. How do we identify these pains? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when we're feeling bad, how do we know that we

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<v Speaker 2>need to begin looking at alternatives or ways to heal ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you're seeing a psychologist or a healer, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably come to the conclusion that you can't hal it

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<v Speaker 1>completely on your own. And oftentimes when things get overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 1>we go to others to get help. We self help books,

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<v Speaker 1>we go to therapists, and so forth. I'm suggesting in

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<v Speaker 1>this workbook that additionally, we have some answers to our

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<v Speaker 1>own questions that lie within. We just have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to get access to those answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think in the United States right now,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in a hot soup of trauma. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that if we have any social interactions at all, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't help but banter around political scenarios, survival, financial scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just like we're getting hit all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>The body and the brain and the spirit takes this

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<v Speaker 2>on and unless you're really really well at just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna feel this, aren't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? And you know, there's no real answers to life

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<v Speaker 1>other than to perhaps, if we're lucky, you learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to live in a little bit more freely and easily

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of all these changes that you're you're mentioning,

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<v Speaker 2>that play a part in your in your work?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? I Uh. One of the things I've written

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<v Speaker 1>using the plants, but all of which at around age sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>were up until then, I was more interested in achieving

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<v Speaker 1>new way of being. I think you could recreate within

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<v Speaker 1>about in my book.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever do any vision quests with ayahuasca? I

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<v Speaker 2>did Wow, fantastic. Yeah, that's We've had a number of

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<v Speaker 2>people on the show talking about that that that's transformative,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was, Yes, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic. How would you say that part of you the

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<v Speaker 2>shamanistic approach, the shamanistic vision plays a part in your workbook?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the journaling that you're you're asking people to

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<v Speaker 1>The shamanism just I think, like Jungian psychology and certain

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<v Speaker 1>to do things in our conscious life that we otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do, and that's really what shamanism is about. As well.

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<v Speaker 1>They may think that that realm of experience in those

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<v Speaker 1>to our dreams. And it's one thing to read about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you really experience it in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise wouldn't have, then it becomes more real when you

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<v Speaker 1>start to believe it more. And I think that's how

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<v Speaker 1>shamanism can be useful for somebody. And that's why my

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<v Speaker 1>writing has been Whatever your spiritual experiences are, can you

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<v Speaker 1>somehow use them to make changes in your everyday life,

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<v Speaker 1>in your relationships, in your health, in your jobs, in

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<v Speaker 1>your relationships with a higher power or not, in the

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<v Speaker 1>way you think about stuff, and your ability to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of roll with the punches, like some of the punches

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<v Speaker 1>that you've been talking about recently in our society. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you somehow have a little bit more elegant life

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of whatever is hidden at you by

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<v Speaker 1>somehow accessing these energies that I believe lie with a

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to call your book the journaling book, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know your titles go within to change your life.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have so much self contemplation in the book

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<v Speaker 2>where you're you're asking the readers your journal what's the

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<v Speaker 2>what is so important about the process of journaling that

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<v Speaker 2>you have laid out the workbook in that manner?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That if if one is going to look at one's

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<v Speaker 1>life and uh, I always say, Okay, Steff, what what's

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<v Speaker 1>with some things to answer that question if you some

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<v Speaker 1>chose uh. And then if I were to say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what you like about that story? What don't you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to change it? You say, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I say okay, how would you like to change it?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'd say, okay, why why haven't you changed it?

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<v Speaker 1>And well, that's complicated. You know this, that and the

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<v Speaker 1>other and so forth. Those are kind of simple questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're really big themes for any of us to

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<v Speaker 1>ask ourselves that. And so by looking at that over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again in a variety of ways, then I

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<v Speaker 1>believe we can get information that if we choose, we

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<v Speaker 1>can change. But until we get that information, until we

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<v Speaker 1>look at it in a lot of ways, change is hard,

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<v Speaker 1>even if we have New Year's resolutions to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the journaling is just yeah, I'm giving people experiences

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<v Speaker 1>they can have. You know, you can you can work

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<v Speaker 1>with a dream, you can go to the lower world

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<v Speaker 1>the shamanic idea and go to the upper world. You

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<v Speaker 1>can work out in nature and do some things. You

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<v Speaker 1>can do this at the other and as you write

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<v Speaker 1>about those and you keep track of it. Then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you may start to see patterns. You

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<v Speaker 1>may get an insight that you didn't have before. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to enable you and maybe even cause you to

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<v Speaker 1>make some changes. That's that's the idea. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a reminder of keeping track of the experiences that

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that I've done for myself, and I

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that other people do. You know, every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, during the course of a day, check in

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<v Speaker 1>and just ask yourself, you know what am I feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>You know how am I doing? Without being judgmental, So

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of write it down and do that for

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<v Speaker 1>a few days, and then you say, well, is there

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern here? Do I feel this way more than that?

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<v Speaker 1>When do I seem to feel this way? And then

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<v Speaker 1>you say to yourself, well, it's interesting, it's the patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you think if I been like this for a

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<v Speaker 1>interact with yourself in ways that you haven't done before,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you eventually may get new ideas what to

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<v Speaker 1>do different in your life, and that little simple exercise

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<v Speaker 1>that I just mentioned is one way to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>My book has a lot of other ways to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it, so that at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 1>you may be able to live differently in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that's more satisfying to you than had you not done

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<v Speaker 1>the work. That's the whole idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So would you say that when you're journaling, you're tapping

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<v Speaker 2>to the unconscious, which is the area you want to address,

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<v Speaker 2>and what you're getting back when you quickly journal is

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<v Speaker 2>important data.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly important data, and may be yes, maybe sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 1>tapping the unconscious. But the exercises that I suggested the

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<v Speaker 1>book where you where you tapped the unconscious, then the

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<v Speaker 1>journaling writes about that experience. And if all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden the journey you took or the time you spend

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<v Speaker 1>in nature and you got that that, oh jeez, I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought about it like that experience. Journealing just keeps

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<v Speaker 1>track of those changes. Now, can it in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself be transformative? I believe that it can't. But somebody

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, in your book. You say that when we're journaling,

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<v Speaker 2>we start to we start feeling, and we are looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a shift. I mean, is that your goal is

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<v Speaker 2>for people to be to begin waking up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it almost feels like to me you're suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>that we walk in a cloud. A lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>walk kind of like unaware what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I've surely been there myself. I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like robotically, you know, you keep the next day, goes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the next day, the next day, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think about it, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>you're order and you have health issues or you die,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. I'm asking myself and then others, are

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<v Speaker 1>there ways to shift out of that cloud and have

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<v Speaker 1>kind of more awareness of what's going on so that

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to make changes, Because the trick is you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get a new life unless you make

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<v Speaker 1>changes in what you do moment to moment, day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though people oftentimes say I'd like to make

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<v Speaker 1>those changes, for whatever reason, they're not able to. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to think my book helps some people who are

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm hearing what you're saying, and I'm understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>the book you wrote is designed around extracting key data,

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<v Speaker 2>key bits of information that reveal where you're at, where

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is at. Right. Yes, and I guess the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that we need to We don't need to. No

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<v Speaker 2>one's christ like and walking around like an avatar saying

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling great, I'm beautiful, I'm perfect, I have no problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we come to Earth as a student of living,

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<v Speaker 2>of creation, and we were imbued with all these issues

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<v Speaker 2>to resolve them. And what you're providing is a way

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<v Speaker 2>to look inward and correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, everything is you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with Yeah, Carl, I'm just trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>how we become aware that we're not living as fully

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<v Speaker 2>or as holy as we can be. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>as a lot of people listening to the show today

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<v Speaker 2>are like, why should I bother if I'm miserable, I'm miserable,

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<v Speaker 2>Why why should I look for a new avenue of life?

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<v Speaker 1>And many people will feel that way to the time

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<v Speaker 1>they die, but you can ask them. Some of those

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot harder than you think. And I say,

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<v Speaker 1>well tell me about it. Why. Why is it hard

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<v Speaker 1>for you to stop being miserable? Well I can't because

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<v Speaker 1>of this, this, this, this, and this. So some part

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I think probably would prefer not to be miserable,

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<v Speaker 1>but some part of themselves is making them miserable. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to give them information so that both sides can

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<v Speaker 1>hear what's going on and and and make different choices. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so many people that I've worked with over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and I've worked with hundreds have on the

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy either fit, and just everything going for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're sitting before and they're miserable because something's missing,

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<v Speaker 1>something's just not quite there. And when they're really honest,

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<v Speaker 1>there's aspects of their story that they're not happy with,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're just not able to change. I'm saying, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the answers to change don't lie outside of us,

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, our therapist, from our self help folks

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<v Speaker 1>from our to do lists, all of which can be useful,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of the answers lie within us. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to access them and to work with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I've tried to do in this book.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, doctor Karl Greer, discussing journaling in

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<v Speaker 2>his new book, Go Within to Change Your Life. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be right back. I guess it is doctor Carl Greer

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<v Speaker 2>who has written a new book called Go Within to

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<v Speaker 2>Change Your Life. This is a self assessment journaling workbook

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<v Speaker 2>that helps us understand where we're at and how to

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<v Speaker 2>overcome a variety of emotional issues. Carl, can you give

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<v Speaker 2>us a couple of examples of people who are walking

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<v Speaker 2>in the clouds, who either are in pain or they're

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<v Speaker 2>in a state of depression or a state of disharmony,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really showing up big time in their life

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<v Speaker 2>and they are need to be aware of where they're at.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give us a couple of examples of that? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it could be you can change the names

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<v Speaker 2>of your patience if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that for kind of obvious reasons. But every man

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<v Speaker 1>and every woman. You know, if you ask people, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what your story, you know, how you're doing. I

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<v Speaker 1>reflects the answer to many people. I'm doing Okay, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>How about you? Uh so that would be when start

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<v Speaker 1>into it, all right, say but okay, Jeff Carl, I

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<v Speaker 1>want should have really kind of you know, write your story,

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<v Speaker 1>and oftentimes we write it the way we want other

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<v Speaker 1>people to see us. You know, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>really fuss up, you know, to the world how you

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<v Speaker 1>really feel. Okay, so you go through that exercise and

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe you write it again, uh with really what

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<v Speaker 1>your truth is. And then uh you say, gee, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not doing so well. I'm not as happy as I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>My health isn't as good as I thought. But back

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, I'm missing There's nothing I can do

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<v Speaker 1>about it. There's nothing I can do about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like a you you just give

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<v Speaker 2>it up to destiny and I have yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I'm just saying there's more that we can

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<v Speaker 1>do than we think, but we have to be willing

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<v Speaker 1>to do a little work. And the work is just

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<v Speaker 1>like you got to maybe write some things down, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got to work with some dreams, and you maybe

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<v Speaker 1>do some journeys which I talk about in this book,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe you go outside the nature and you're sitting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, buy some water or under a big tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and you trust that you're part of a larger you

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<v Speaker 1>know picture. I mean, it depends a lot on kind

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<v Speaker 1>of your life viewed. You feel that you're here for

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<v Speaker 1>no purpose, and you know you didn't come from any place.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just spending some time. Then you die and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people feel that way. But if you say, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I was probably someplace before I got here. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure where I'm here for some reason. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>what my purpose is, but you know, I'm gonna maybe

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<v Speaker 1>get lucky to find it out. And when I die,

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<v Speaker 1>my spirit's probably going to go someplace else. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>some of you know, it depends on where you are

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<v Speaker 1>and those continuums. But once you thought about those things,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have to ask, is there anything I

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<v Speaker 1>can do with spirit if you are a spiritual person,

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<v Speaker 1>to somehow have a better life that I'm living right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and better from the standpoint of how I would feel

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<v Speaker 1>and how spirit would feel with me. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the stential question that if you're living robotically in the cloud,

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<v Speaker 1>you may ever want to you may not even think

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, or in some ways you may be a

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<v Speaker 1>scared to ask, you know, afraid to ask it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't. And I'm just saying there's ways to

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<v Speaker 1>get around in your question about you know, examples of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's anybody who's like that, of which, so, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been that way, and a lot of people I know

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<v Speaker 1>have been that way. And sometimes they you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do anything and then they have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>heart issues and cancer issues or other kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mental health issues that I believe they could have done

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<v Speaker 1>things to change the probabilities of those things happening. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't pretend to say that stuff's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in anybody's life that may not be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think we can change two things. We can

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<v Speaker 1>change the probability of it happening, and we can change

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<v Speaker 1>how we react to it when it does. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think some of the exercises that I talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>address those two questions.

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<v Speaker 2>When when someone is writing an answer to one of

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<v Speaker 2>the questions that you uh present in this work book

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<v Speaker 2>and they go back and they read it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying is this is that's a form of therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>But also deeper down is this is the body of

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<v Speaker 2>the mine. It's the body minded spirit recognizing that what

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<v Speaker 2>has been written is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, particularly if you if you do a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the extras. So if you work with some dreams

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<v Speaker 1>that you write down some stuff and with that and

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<v Speaker 1>then you do a shamanic journey which I talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>or some shamanic work which I talk about, and and

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<v Speaker 1>you use that to look at, say a problem in

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<v Speaker 1>your different you know, views of it, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden you think, hey, you don't have to hit

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<v Speaker 1>me over the head anymore. I need to change this now.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is am I able to change it or

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<v Speaker 1>really willing to change it? Because basically, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to have a different outcome, you have to change some stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you know, some people say and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you just think you think about whatever is differently, But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a change too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the term. I was gonna say, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a therapy workbook, but I don't like that word. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's more of a journey in a shamanic journey

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<v Speaker 2>of individual will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, or lack your ob yeah well, and not judging,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes you know, we're beaten down. It's too much work.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't have the energy to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, I kind of hear you, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just over my head or it's not something that's for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that. I get that. All I know

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<v Speaker 1>is enough people have done these things and have really

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<v Speaker 1>said that they've changed. It's caused me to write these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of books. Yeah. That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing about your book, Carl, is that

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<v Speaker 2>you actually show that just a little bit of dialogue

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<v Speaker 2>every day or once a week, whenever you can get

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<v Speaker 2>to it begins making you feel better. You begin feeling better,

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<v Speaker 2>but you also kind of clear the slight slowly of

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<v Speaker 2>accumulated waste that's not serving you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, absolutely, and you were you know that that dialoguing process.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if we go back to you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I said early on, that there's probably a part of

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<v Speaker 1>us who wants to change, part of us and doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can somehow have a conversation, uh with that part,

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<v Speaker 1>I call that the you know, the hidden wisdom that

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<v Speaker 1>can be really valuable because there may have some part

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<v Speaker 1>of you that has good reasons, you know, to not change,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe there's another part of you that convince it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that it doesn't have to to not hold

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<v Speaker 1>to that position, and that that kind of almost gets

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<v Speaker 1>back to you know, like the society questions you say, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are a lot of people that have

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<v Speaker 1>different opinions as to how we should be doing things.

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<v Speaker 1>H many of them don't. They can't stand up being

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<v Speaker 1>the same room with each other, and they can't hold

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about those issues for very long without getting heated. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>within ourselves, we're like that too, So what's the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that. We have to listen, listen, listen, listen better

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<v Speaker 1>then respond in my opinion, and similarly, we've got to listen, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to those parts of ourselves, but we have to

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<v Speaker 1>allow them to express themselves, and we have to be

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<v Speaker 1>as factual as we can, you know, with what we're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we agree to disagree or we find you know,

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<v Speaker 1>common ground. And that's the same work that I think

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<v Speaker 1>a person can do with themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that hype archetypes are very important in

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<v Speaker 2>the book, and you you know, have people begin thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of identifying the arch test What is an archetype? Carl?

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<v Speaker 2>And is it important to really understand where you're at

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<v Speaker 2>at this time of your life?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? In Jungian you know psychology, Uh, there's there's this

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<v Speaker 1>concept that Carl Jung talked about the collective unconscious and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that would be uh, this this unified field that

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<v Speaker 1>connects us all. And in some of the great religions, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it would be the uh, the space of spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>the creative energy of life. Ah. In the Missing Judaism,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the i'd sof h h Uh in some of

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<v Speaker 1>my journeys I've encountered, is the quiet. It's the place

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<v Speaker 1>before creation, before there's an idea, the form of the idea,

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<v Speaker 1>before for any energization in the idea. It's from which

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<v Speaker 1>all of this universe in ourselves came. And so we

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<v Speaker 1>have this energy within us. And so when people say

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<v Speaker 1>the one and the many, and the many and the one,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my understanding of what they're saying. But that energy

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<v Speaker 1>also has many, many sub parts that influence how we think,

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<v Speaker 1>act and feel. And so the idea is from this big,

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<v Speaker 1>unified field. Some of us, just for one reason or another,

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<v Speaker 1>get more connected to a certain energy than another. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some people are warriors, so they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>fight at the drop of a hat. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of variations on how they're warriors. Some are healers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they just want to take care of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Some are kind of mothering, they want to really mother people.

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<v Speaker 1>Some are fothering people. They want to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>following people, some or followers. We're leaders. So there's all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of energy that can kind of when we look

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<v Speaker 1>at our lives, we can say, yeah, I'm more like

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<v Speaker 1>this person than that person, and what what do we identify?

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<v Speaker 1>So you can you go to movies, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of people in the movies do you like? You

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<v Speaker 1>like the story of the person who came from the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong side of the tracks and all something makes it

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<v Speaker 1>good or you know, I don't know if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>saw the movie Rudy. You know, a guy from a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a Malton outside of Chicago wants to play football,

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame, but you know it just so those are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel good stories. The rob cops, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we identify with what kind of So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I meant by archetypes, and some of those things

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<v Speaker 1>we're not even aware of, we really live in that role.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, a doctor, you know, they're not only

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor, you know when they're seeing patients, but there

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<v Speaker 1>there's a doctor in their homes. Or psychologists, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the trick. A lot of people were marriage psychologists, say Jake,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll keep psychologizing me all the time, you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>you keep get caught in your role, and the role

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<v Speaker 1>could be what I'm calling an archetype.

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<v Speaker 2>Mhmm uh. Can you give us a few examples, Carl,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you have. It's great because in the book

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<v Speaker 2>you list them all or most of them. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you have as an example, the adventurer, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>risk taking type, the child, which is the innocent one,

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<v Speaker 2>the lover of the romancer, what what I mean? They're

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<v Speaker 2>they're pretty self explanatory. But when you say someone is

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<v Speaker 2>identifying with the adventurer, give us an example of somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who you would consider the adventure It's almost self explanatory.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just need a little more definition.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, uh, you're you're you're living in uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh mill Town and Middle America and uh uh you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're uh uh got a pension or your forward case

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going up, and uh you're thinking, gee, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to run out my time and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my wife and I are going to maybe take some

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<v Speaker 1>trips when I retire. But in the middle of that,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you say, gee, uh, I've really

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<v Speaker 1>got an idea for a business. I've got to I've

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<v Speaker 1>got you know, I'm good with my hands, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just don't know how to make some of

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<v Speaker 1>these uh tools as as as effectively as I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a way to make tools that I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can sell and make money from, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to kind of give up my uh uh my

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<v Speaker 1>job and my security to do that. That that's an adventurer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or you know, that's that's what one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can also say, well, you've got adventurers who

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<v Speaker 1>want to uh skydive, uh they want to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>push themselves against physical limits. They want to mountain fly,

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<v Speaker 1>uh the other they want to uh hanglide uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so so things like that those would be they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, risking for some reason that's complicated you know, eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>if one worked long enough, we could probably get some

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<v Speaker 1>ideas as to what's causing that. But that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>would say adventure. Yeah, you can also have an adventure

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<v Speaker 1>that says, gee, I'm making it big. I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big time entrepreneur. I got my own business, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not satisfied. I want to go up to New

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<v Speaker 1>England and open a hardware store. And there's people that

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Yeah, and so that's an adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us the example of the child Carl, because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that you're a child as an adult. You

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<v Speaker 2>could be sixty seventy eighty years old but still have

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<v Speaker 2>the archetype of the child. And you also listed as

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<v Speaker 2>not only the child archetype, but innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sometimes, you know, you know, kind of the childlike

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<v Speaker 1>mind that doesn't feel that they know everything. They're asking

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<v Speaker 1>questions still they don't have all the answers, So it

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<v Speaker 1>can be a plus to be she kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, childlife. More innocent is you're not jaded, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not done with life, which you said earlier, Cliff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I miss nothing I can do about it. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's that's got a stance that people take. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a child might be more wondering. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just geez all, this is all new to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And holy Macro, I look at that sunset. I never

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<v Speaker 1>saw one like that before. Geez did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>little bird? I never knew it was up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>above my thing. It's got little babies in his desk.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just kind of refreshingly struck by life, like a

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<v Speaker 1>child that's seeing things in your eyes for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be one or or or too innocent, and

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<v Speaker 1>you say, yeah, but you've got to be in this world.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't be You got to be kind of watching

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<v Speaker 1>your back all the time. So those would that'd be

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<v Speaker 1>another archetype. So you're just kind of The idea is

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<v Speaker 1>to not get identified too much with any one of

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<v Speaker 1>them and be fluid in just being who you are

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<v Speaker 1>in life that you and that's where they're said and done.

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<v Speaker 2>And what would you say? The participant of your workbook

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<v Speaker 2>gets from the answers to the questions regarding their archetypal type,

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<v Speaker 2>do they get a kind of a more of a

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<v Speaker 2>guidance on steps to achieve more happiness or talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of one of the I'm hoping that a

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<v Speaker 1>person doing this book is going to have many, many

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<v Speaker 1>data points. And one data point is, Gee, I never

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<v Speaker 1>realized I'm the archetype of the workaholic, and I never

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<v Speaker 1>realized that so much. And so that's one little data

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<v Speaker 1>point that I didn't have. And then I'm doing some

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff and I'm realizing that, Gee, because I'm a workaholic,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really spending a lot of time with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the people that I care about, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I'm justifying it because I'm doing it for them. So

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<v Speaker 1>I never quite thought about it like that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing another exercise and I'm finding out about my

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle that, gee, the fact that I have high blood

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<v Speaker 1>pressure and diabetes and some hard issues, maybe it's tied

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<v Speaker 1>into just what I just came up with. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a little later, I'm doing a journey to the lower

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<v Speaker 1>world and I made a contract with life. It says this,

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<v Speaker 1>that and the other. So I have four or five

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<v Speaker 1>six data points flip that I didn't have before. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm going to say, do I want to continue

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<v Speaker 1>on like this? And then I have but what's the alternative?

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<v Speaker 1>And you do another journey, you do another work, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you get just different bits of information, all of

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<v Speaker 1>which at the end of the day you me are

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to say I'm going to make some

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<v Speaker 1>changes where I'm not. And we say it's too complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't understand. I can't make him, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to and you can't make me. But sometimes we say, hey,

729
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<v Speaker 1>this is crazy. I've been living crazy. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>make some changes. And then to do it day to

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<v Speaker 1>day it's hard. It's hard. So you have to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about small little changes changes that the margin can have

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<v Speaker 1>bigger changes. You have to have new habits, and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to hook new habits. I have the old habits,

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<v Speaker 1>and I talk about ways to do that, because at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, you can do all this work,

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<v Speaker 1>but unless you make changes in your every day you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So what, We're going to take a short commercial break

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<v Speaker 2>to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will

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<v Speaker 2>return shortly with my guest today, doctor Carl Greer, discussing

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<v Speaker 2>his new release, his new book called Go Within to

742
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<v Speaker 2>Change Your Life. We'll be right back with you. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess today is doctor Carl Greer. He has written a

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<v Speaker 2>new therapeutic work book called Go Within to Change Your Life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to tell you what we're hearing about

746
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<v Speaker 2>today is kind of new because we're journaling to get

747
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<v Speaker 2>to the root of our depression, anxieties, fears, and all

748
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<v Speaker 2>kinds of other psychological conditions. And this workbook appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be a real great solut for clarifying where we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us an example of a little change someone would

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<v Speaker 2>make from a process and if you can, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is all scenarios that you probably can provide details of

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<v Speaker 2>if they make this change, what are they going to

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<v Speaker 2>see in their life that is that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be made in a different way or is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be presented in a different way because of the change.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, give you a couple examples. One, you know

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<v Speaker 1>in the in health. You know, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>health chapter, everybody can write your health chapter. And we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that to be healthier, we have to eat better,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to move exercise, we have to manage our stress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's those are pretty quickly. So what does it mean

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<v Speaker 1>to eat better? And so maybe you're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>little less sweets maybe and a little less alcohol or vegetables. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So a slight change would be if you drink one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half or two drinks a day, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna drink maybe one a day, and then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you cut that down to three a week, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time you say, you know, I missed the

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol because you know it does this and that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the nights that I don't drink, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do some chigag or some yoga. I'm gonna try something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to kind of fill that space. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>experimenting so that over time you've done things a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit differently at the margin. So that would be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the health thing. In your relationships, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of us don't listen real well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're waiting for the other person to finish so

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<v Speaker 1>we can say what we want to say. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to we're trying to speed it along as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as we Yeah, so we could we could give

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<v Speaker 1>them the truths. Uh. So can we just learn in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment to pause a little bit, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>find that would be an example of a of a

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<v Speaker 1>small change, you know, before I respond, Uh, in this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to wait a few seconds. It's a simple thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes it said, geez, I'm glad I pause because

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<v Speaker 1>if I hadn't, I would have said this, And had

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<v Speaker 1>I said that, I would have wished I had so

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<v Speaker 1>like that that I'm talking about. Okay, Yeah, examples like

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<v Speaker 1>that in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do. And that's it's kind of nice that

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<v Speaker 2>you put that in there. I I've been meditating for

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<v Speaker 2>three decades and I find it amazingly beneficial. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>the shamanistic part of you that began meditating? And now

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<v Speaker 2>you're suggesting that the reader of your workbook consider meditation

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<v Speaker 2>as a form of therapy? Talk about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, there's so many ways that people talk

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, what is meditation is this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>being still quiet, let your thoughts come and go, but

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<v Speaker 1>take a pause in the middle of a day just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of be to be. I mean, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I've tried to do more of compared to

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<v Speaker 1>when I was younger. And and it could be just

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<v Speaker 1>walking in nature where you just are thinking, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>just observing and you're starting to feel cheap. Nature is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at me just like I'm looking at nature. I

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<v Speaker 1>say that can be by my definition, slip that can

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<v Speaker 1>be a meditation. I'm just kind of walking. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>not to think, and I'm aware that, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>back's a little sore and my knees might be a

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<v Speaker 1>little sore, and I'm just aware of that. That can

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<v Speaker 1>be a meditation. So for me, those are things that

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<v Speaker 1>I try to do. It just pauses in my life

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<v Speaker 1>to just be in ways that not when I'm just Russian, Russian, Russian,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's surprised. It's it's work to try to experiment

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<v Speaker 1>with it and to try it, and then life has

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<v Speaker 1>its own you got.

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<v Speaker 2>To to do.

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<v Speaker 1>List gets busy, busier, and you got to do this

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<v Speaker 1>and that. And I as an almost eighty five year old,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking about those things a lot and

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<v Speaker 1>try to do it more more graciously than I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that analogy in suggestion for meditation, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to do a Hindu or a Chinese Taoist

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<v Speaker 2>form of meditation. You can to create your own. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're suggesting, and I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 2>in the book. Maybe it is in the book Car

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<v Speaker 2>where you're saying, just close your eyes and just let

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<v Speaker 2>your mind go free. Or whatever. I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a that's a that's a very useful suggestion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the benefits are still the same, I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine or similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the key to the meditative process.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's probably a spiritual benefit for it because

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe gets as closer to you know, kind of

839
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<v Speaker 1>approve this to our creator. But I think just the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the idea that we're in a meditative space state,

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<v Speaker 1>our neurotransmitters are different, and our brain waves are different,

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<v Speaker 1>and our sypathetic nervous system is a little less active

843
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<v Speaker 1>in our prayer sympathetic nervous system is where in all

844
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<v Speaker 1>those states cause our immune systems to be better. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of improven. So we're doing things to our

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<v Speaker 1>health when we're in those states and we get to

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<v Speaker 1>those states by any of these means that we're calling meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean meditation for me is like breathing.

849
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<v Speaker 2>If I don't do it once in the morning, trying

850
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<v Speaker 2>to do it in the evening as well, I just

851
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<v Speaker 2>don't function as well. So something's going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Yeah, I try to do that myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you talk about innate wisdom or inner wisdom in

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<v Speaker 2>the work that you're suggesting people do, Carl, Is that

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<v Speaker 2>what you're suggesting or this is what you're telling us

856
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is happening when you're journaling, Is that this wisdom is

857
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<v Speaker 2>coming out in the writing through the process.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be, or the writing is having part of

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<v Speaker 1>you describing what that wisdom looks like as it's been

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<v Speaker 1>revealed through a dream or through a time in nature,

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<v Speaker 1>or through a shamani journey. In other words, you're you're,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're you're seeing it and obviously you're making it

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01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 1>conscious to you in a way that you wouldn't had

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01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 1>you not written to Dot and And I like the

865
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 1>way you were talking about it earlier that if you're

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01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>looking at what you write down over the course of time,

867
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, in conjunction with a lot of the different exercises,

868
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it's all data for you about yourself. Uh. And you

869
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:51.679
<v Speaker 1>may say, gee, there's a there's a pattern here, there's

870
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a picture here that I didn't realize before. Then maybe

871
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:58.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to do something about do something different. It

872
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 1>just gives you more data make changes in your life.

873
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<v Speaker 1>It's just like if you go to your doctor or

874
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like you go and they say, you know, you

875
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 1>gotta do this, this, this, this, and this, and you

876
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 1>either do it or you don't. But if you go

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<v Speaker 1>to your therapist and they help you hopefully come up

878
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 1>with things yourself, but some of them suggest things that

879
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 1>they think you might want to think about or do.

880
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<v Speaker 1>And uh, this is just another source of data which

881
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<v Speaker 1>I found very valuable because it's all it's you to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's self therapy. It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about establishing good new habits. Uh, what are

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<v Speaker 2>some of the ways to make these habits stick? Because

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<v Speaker 2>that's the real challenge that most people have. They'll go,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to change this behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think you've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>two things of several things. You have to be forgiving

890
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 1>of yourself if you don't, you know, art to stick

891
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to them. That's the first thing. And then you have

892
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to you know, kind of experiment, you know, with new

893
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 1>new ways to change it. Okay, I'm not doing good,

894
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, not having chocolate anymore. Okay, but maybe I

895
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:19.719
<v Speaker 1>can have a little less chocolate or you know, I

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01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can just have a little less of this that I

897
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 1>used to, and maybe I'm going to reward myself with

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01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.679
<v Speaker 1>something that pleases you, and maybe that which pleases you

899
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't necessarily please somebody else, but you. I want to

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01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.039
<v Speaker 1>take you fifteen minutes and read my books that I had,

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01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, my favorite fiction book that I hadn't read before.

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a treat for me, and I normally wouldn't break

904
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.360
<v Speaker 1>up my day to do that. Or I've got some

905
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 1>writing that I wanted to do, or you know, I

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01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to my you know, relative it just crossed

907
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.039
<v Speaker 1>my mind for a long time. I'm going to call them.

908
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.760
<v Speaker 1>So you're just doing things different in your life. Did

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01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you see how that feels? And tying the habit to

910
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the habit would be I'm gonna find things that make

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01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.440
<v Speaker 1>me feel good. I'm gonna maybe not have that drink

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01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 1>or not have that deserve and in place of it,

913
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take a three minute walk or a five

914
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 1>minute walker. I'm gonna, you know, do my breathing exercise.

915
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do something else. It also gives me pleasure,

916
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<v Speaker 1>but maybe at the end of the day healthier for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I like everything you're saying, but you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about self motivation, and that's hard for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. Is to is to develop good habits because

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01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:45.400
<v Speaker 2>they get into a lifestyle which is I want to

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<v Speaker 2>eat what I want to eat, I want to drink

922
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.039
<v Speaker 2>what I want to eat drink, and I want to

923
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.679
<v Speaker 2>do what I want to do and it could be very,

924
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<v Speaker 2>very damaging. So how do you break free of that?

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<v Speaker 2>For that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, if you don't really recognize it, it's damaging

927
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<v Speaker 1>to you, you're not going to And then you know,

928
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.119
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people that you know that they're

929
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 1>never going to change, and they're probably gonna in many

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01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.519
<v Speaker 1>cases die earlier and more by our standards, by some standards,

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01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.079
<v Speaker 1>less happy than had they made the changes. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying that if you recognize that some of these things

933
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<v Speaker 1>aren't too good for you, and you don't have the

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01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 1>resources within yourself to make the changes, this book is

935
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<v Speaker 1>to help you get those resources from yourself. Because it

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<v Speaker 1>gets back to what I said at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>our talk. You know, uh, people people say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to exercise more. Okay, well why don't you

939
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 1>exercide more? Like you said? But all right, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying there's some part of you wants to exercise, that's

941
01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 1>what you said, but some part of yourself obviously does

942
01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.519
<v Speaker 1>it because you're not doing it. So can you somehow

943
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<v Speaker 1>work with that part that says I don't want to

944
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 1>in a different way so that you end up exercising more.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a zillion because each of us is different

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01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to do it. It's it's hard to if you kind

947
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<v Speaker 1>of enjoy something in the moment and somebody's gonna say,

948
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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, but if you don't do it, you're going

949
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.519
<v Speaker 1>to live a lot longer and autimately you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be happier. It's hard to kind of to buy, you know,

951
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<v Speaker 1>to buy into that, particularly if you've got to give

952
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<v Speaker 1>up thing in a moment to give you blaker but

953
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<v Speaker 1>it may not be good for you. But somehow you

954
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<v Speaker 1>got to get that part of you that says, I

955
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<v Speaker 1>want to give that a chance, and you do it

956
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<v Speaker 1>for a week or two. I'm sure you've got people

957
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 1>on your show or say, you know, it was hard

958
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<v Speaker 1>for me to change my diet, But now that I've

959
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<v Speaker 1>done it, you know, three or four months later, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff I used to eat, I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not attracted to anymore. It took me a long time

962
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<v Speaker 1>to get unaddicted to it or you know, similarly, know,

963
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I used to drink more than I should or smoke

964
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<v Speaker 1>or whatever whatever the thing thing was, and I really

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01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.320
<v Speaker 1>feel honestly better not doing it. Doesn't mean that I'm

966
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.599
<v Speaker 1>not tempted. I smell the good burger, you know, whatever

967
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it is. But it's just easier for me to say

968
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 1>no or a little teeny bit. It's just working with yourself,

969
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 1>you with you to somehow come up with new ways

970
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<v Speaker 1>of living that you wouldn't have done as you're not

971
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<v Speaker 1>done this inner work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that. Thank you. The books called Go

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<v Speaker 2>Within to Change Your Life a hidden wisdom workbook for

974
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<v Speaker 2>personal transformation. I guess it has been Carl Greer. Carl,

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<v Speaker 2>the workbook appears to be a slow process of discovery.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we need to be patient with ourselves, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>We do? But and I say to a reader, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you know you can just skim it. Answer a few

979
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 1>questions that call to you, Just do a few things,

980
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 1>think about it, take time in your life, just like

981
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.599
<v Speaker 1>I was saying, to check in with yourself during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>What do I feel? You know, what's my experience? And

983
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.760
<v Speaker 1>try to be honest with yourself and see if you

984
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.559
<v Speaker 1>can see some patterns and then if you do and

985
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you'd like to change them and you can't. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of exercises in here that hopefully well could change.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. As a therapist, Carl, what do you hope people

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01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:36.079
<v Speaker 2>get from the book? I mean, for me, I would

989
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<v Speaker 2>think there would be two scales. The lowest scale of

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<v Speaker 2>one to ten would be somebody who thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a well written book and they perhaps did a chapter

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<v Speaker 2>and they follow the Q and A. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>high scale of someone who's in the eight to ten

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<v Speaker 2>is actually going through the whole work book and processing

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<v Speaker 2>and really getting life changing aspects. That's my interpretation. But

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<v Speaker 2>what do you say?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think that's well point. And some people that

998
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<v Speaker 1>read the introduction and say this is all kind of

999
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 1>woo woo stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even go yeah, they don't even go yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah. The nice thing that's ree for everything be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's some surfaces that have read this book

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<v Speaker 1>that have said their nost party to refer to their

1005
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 1>clients because they find it useful, and that's nice deformation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the book has only been out about a

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<v Speaker 2>year or less.

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01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:34.600
<v Speaker 1>No, it's only been a couple of months.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not a couple of months.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Your website is Carl Grier g R E E R

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. You're also on Twitter, You're on Facebook Carl

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01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Grier Author. Uh what did people find on your website?

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01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you have like videos or do you have processes

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01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:51.840
<v Speaker 2>or what do you got on your website?

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<v Speaker 1>I have some, you know, I've written blogs over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've blogs. I also have I'm involved with the

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01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.520
<v Speaker 1>number of philanthropies and charities, so I described the charities

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01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that I'm working with and that's on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mentioned that age sixty was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>turning point for you. Was this when you start writing

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<v Speaker 2>your books?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was a little older than I started writing books.

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Over seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrote three here you wrote change your Story, change

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<v Speaker 2>your Life, change the story of your health, the necktie

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<v Speaker 2>in the Draaguire, and then your memoir. Wow. Yeah, what

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01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was the inspiration? You just decided you needed to do something?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? You know? There was you know kind of

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01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 1>my stick was you know people were spiritual? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>bring your spirituality into your everyday life? And people who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't spiritual. Can you get a connection to spirit to

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01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 1>help you change everyday license you want to? So those

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<v Speaker 1>are my two kind of ways of thinking about stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I've written about Fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>The book is go within to Change your life. Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Real pleasure speaking with you, and I appreciate your work.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate talking to you, Cliff. I enjoyed it. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for hosting me.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize it until after the interview that Carl

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<v Speaker 2>has invented something like a pre therapy or self therapeutic

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<v Speaker 2>workbook program that is built for people who haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>to a therapist or is trying to save money and

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<v Speaker 2>building out a way to discover. So it's discovery, discovering problems,

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<v Speaker 2>discovering tendencies, bad habits, trauma. That's the big one. We

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<v Speaker 2>live with these traumas, and this is coming out more

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<v Speaker 2>and more every day, is that these traumas are running us. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not that big of a work BOOKU.

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<v Speaker 2>It's two hundred pages, and he really gets into a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of journaling exercises that I think really help. But

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<v Speaker 2>the key is to interpret them. So and it is

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<v Speaker 2>not a solution for a therapist. If you're in real

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<v Speaker 2>big trouble and you have thoughts of offering yourself, that's

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<v Speaker 2>another word for suicide, taking your own life. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>get out of bed, you're moping around. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>see a therapist. You got to see a physical therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, go within to change your life. Has been

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<v Speaker 2>out on the market for a couple of weeks now,

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever you think I mean, check it out. Go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and get it. If you're wanting to work on yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>your support. All right, that's it for this show. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to think my guest today, Carl Greer, coming to

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<v Speaker 2>us from Chicago, Illinois. As always a team of Gail

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<v Speaker 2>tour Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys rock, all right, take care of you well

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk to you next time. A