Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing. This is Cliff, your host of Destiny,
Speaker 2: and I hope you're doing well today. I have been
Speaker 2: reviewing a number of excellent photographs taken on Rapa Nui
Speaker 2: when we were visiting the quarries, and one of the
Speaker 2: most outstanding photographs, actually quite an anomaloust photograph, is of
Speaker 2: a figure very close to the one of the quarries
Speaker 2: that is sitting on his knees, facing up, hands it aside,
Speaker 2: and he has a beard. And it's the only Rapa Nui,
Speaker 2: or excuse me, the only moi sculpture of its kind
Speaker 2: of the entire island. Is No other sculpture has been
Speaker 2: found like this, and it's very rarely discussed simply because
Speaker 2: it's such a strange position for one of these figures
Speaker 2: to be sitting. And also it's about a third of
Speaker 2: the size. It's only about i'd say, oh, maybe eight
Speaker 2: ten feet at the most tall. He's about a third
Speaker 2: of the size of the typical moi, which are you know,
Speaker 2: fourteen to twenty feet in height and weighing half a ton,
Speaker 2: you know, extremely heavy volcanic rock. This guy is volcanic
Speaker 2: as well, and there's a lot of other fascinating elements
Speaker 2: to him. Got to wonder what is he looking at. Well,
Speaker 2: what we don't really know is if the people who
Speaker 2: settled in the Repnue Easter Island were also into cosmology,
Speaker 2: studying the stars. We had a number of opportunities during
Speaker 2: the evening to look at the sky at night, and
Speaker 2: it was amazing. It was like the lights were turned
Speaker 2: on at every star was available. The Milky Way was
Speaker 2: in its full splendor, beautifully splashed across the skyline. And
Speaker 2: these early settlers must have seen this with great clarity.
Speaker 2: And so this figure.
Speaker 1: Is odd.
Speaker 2: You have to wonder, is this are we looking at
Speaker 2: a shaman? Are we looking at a what the Maya
Speaker 2: call a daykeeper, somebody who keeps an eye on cosmological
Speaker 2: activity the seasons?
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know. Now. One of the things that we believe,
Speaker 2: we know this is academic view, is that the settling
Speaker 2: of Repanu is only a couple thousand years old. Well,
Speaker 2: when you go there, when you go to Easter Island
Speaker 2: and you're looking at des Mois, they are cittying on
Speaker 2: artificial walls, and these walls are made up of megalithic
Speaker 2: sized half ton stone masonry. This is something we see
Speaker 2: in other megalithic ancient Old World cultures. We see it
Speaker 2: in Peru, we see in Egypt, we see it in Lebanon,
Speaker 2: Bellback Lebanon, we see it in Malta. We see it
Speaker 2: everywhere where ancient cultures have been described and found. And
Speaker 2: here we are again on what is thought to be
Speaker 2: an isolated island with megalithic wall building using the same
Speaker 2: kinds of techniques of placing stones together. Go to the
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Speaker 2: they are magnificent. But what's really curious again is this
Speaker 2: sitting figure looking up, bearded handsed its side and there's
Speaker 2: some very faint symbology on his lower back. It's been
Speaker 2: pretty much weathered, so there's not a great deal to see.
Speaker 2: But we just don't know enough about this sculpture. And
Speaker 2: it's wonderful that it's so close to the quarry because
Speaker 2: everyone's going to see it. In fact, they have it
Speaker 2: fenced off so you walk right by it, but you
Speaker 2: could reach in in touch with you. They really don't
Speaker 2: like you touching any of the sculptures on the island,
Speaker 2: by the way, So that's a fantastic observation. I really
Speaker 2: suggest that you take a look at that sculpture and
Speaker 2: see for yourself. Unusual, one of a kind, rarely discussed,
Speaker 2: and it's on Rapahnui, Easter Island in the Pacific. Hey,
Speaker 2: today's program is about journaling, and this is something that
Speaker 2: we talk about rarely, and it's a powerful way to
Speaker 2: really get in touch with your inner self, your subconscious
Speaker 2: mind when you have the proper questions, and we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about processing and getting back in touch with
Speaker 2: your guidance, your higher self, your unconscious mind, and why
Speaker 2: this is important, especially with what's going on right now.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about what's going on in the United States,
Speaker 2: which actually is fact as affecting the entire world. We
Speaker 2: are on shaky ground here and I have always said
Speaker 2: that we will give the new administration some time, but
Speaker 2: right now there's a great deal of adjustment going on.
Speaker 2: There's a tremendous amount of adjustment, and people are very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I think unless you're his in the send, you know
Speaker 2: that the stock market has been plunging. We just don't know.
Speaker 2: We do not know what's going on. It could be
Speaker 2: an adjustment period and things are all going to work out.
Speaker 2: We don't know. But this just makes everyone nervous, makes
Speaker 2: them upset, makes you uncomfortable, and it's a good time
Speaker 2: to begin processing and figuring out what's going on internally internally.
Speaker 2: So we're going to be talking with a psychologist named
Speaker 2: doctor Carl Greer, and he wrote a book called Go
Speaker 2: Within to Change Your Life, a Hidden Wisdom workbook for
Speaker 2: personal transformation. And this is exactly what this is. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, you know, you need
Speaker 2: to go to a therapist, you need to go to
Speaker 2: somebody to work with you. And people will say, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I'm embarrassed. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: tell people going to a therapist. They'll think I'm crazy
Speaker 2: or I can't afford a therapist. I cannot afford the
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars they charge me for a sitting session.
Speaker 2: This is a new technique. This is a new way
Speaker 2: to at least begin working with issues that may be
Speaker 2: coming up. And it's a workbook, and it's a journaling
Speaker 2: work work where you have questioned you you'll read a
Speaker 2: little bit. Then you have a question and then you
Speaker 2: have an answer that you give, and that answer begins
Speaker 2: to form an understanding of what's going on with you.
Speaker 2: It extracts important subconscious data and from that then you
Speaker 2: can begin processing and figuring out why am I depressed?
Speaker 2: Why did I do not have an appetite? Why is
Speaker 2: my relationship or relationship so bad? Why do I hate
Speaker 2: my job? You know, it's not great to walk around
Speaker 2: your whole life and be depressed and not have a
Speaker 2: solution for it. And this is a solution. Remember, destiny
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Speaker 2: is not to be missed. You know, we're really challenged
Speaker 2: these days with all the trauma happening in the United States.
Speaker 2: And it's not just political trauma, it's economic. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people are what I call walking wounded.
Speaker 2: They're walking around suffering and not really knowing how to
Speaker 2: resolve their issues. And what I like about Destiny is
Speaker 2: that we have different presenters who are providing tools for transformation.
Speaker 2: And I love that term. I've used it for decades
Speaker 2: simply because it's an easy way to explain methods and
Speaker 2: you can even call him remedies for some of this trauma.
Speaker 2: Today's guest is Carl Greer. He is a Youngian analyst.
Speaker 2: He's a former clinical psychologist, and he's a shamanic practitioner.
Speaker 2: We're going to find out what that means. And he's
Speaker 2: written a new book called Go Within to Change Your Life.
Speaker 2: And this is a unique book and it's actually what
Speaker 2: you can consider a workbook where you actually journal your
Speaker 2: process during thinking and you get it to the root
Speaker 2: of your problems. And so we'll learn more about that today. So, hey, Carl,
Speaker 2: welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you so nice to be here.
Speaker 2: You use a lot of terms in the book that
Speaker 2: I really like. Let's start with the one that is
Speaker 2: kind of carried out throughout the book, which is hidden wisdom.
Speaker 2: What is when you say your hidden wisdom, how do
Speaker 2: we tap that? And really what is the hidden wisdom?
Speaker 1: I believe the hidden wisdom is that part of you
Speaker 1: that can help you deal with the dilemmas of when
Speaker 1: you sometimes say, hey, why did I say that? Or
Speaker 1: why did I do that? And I believe the answer
Speaker 1: is part of us wanted to do that and say that.
Speaker 1: So to get to that part, I think we have
Speaker 1: to go within in ways that we typically don't do.
Speaker 1: And gist of my book is ways to access that
Speaker 1: information so that we have more information to make changes
Speaker 1: that we might like to make in our lives.
Speaker 2: You know, as a as a psychologist, you see people
Speaker 2: or you were you're retired now, but you are seeing
Speaker 2: people in all phases of trauma. I would imagine some
Speaker 2: people are, you know, so depressed that they want to
Speaker 2: leave the planet. How do we identify these pains? I mean,
Speaker 2: when we're feeling bad, how do we know that we
Speaker 2: need to begin looking at alternatives or ways to heal ourselves.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're seeing a psychologist or a healer, you
Speaker 1: probably come to the conclusion that you can't hal it
Speaker 1: completely on your own. And oftentimes when things get overwhelming,
Speaker 1: we go to others to get help. We self help books,
Speaker 1: we go to therapists, and so forth. I'm suggesting in
Speaker 1: this workbook that additionally, we have some answers to our
Speaker 1: own questions that lie within. We just have to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get access to those answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think in the United States right now,
Speaker 2: we're in a hot soup of trauma. And I think
Speaker 2: that if we have any social interactions at all, you
Speaker 2: can't help but banter around political scenarios, survival, financial scenarios.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like we're getting hit all the time.
Speaker 2: The body and the brain and the spirit takes this
Speaker 2: on and unless you're really really well at just you know,
Speaker 2: you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna feel this, aren't you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? And you know, there's no real answers to life
Speaker 1: other than to perhaps, if we're lucky, you learn how
Speaker 1: to live in a little bit more freely and easily
Speaker 1: in the midst of all these changes that you're you're mentioning,
Speaker 1: which in fact are very intense and very real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about your shamanic work. I thought it was
Speaker 2: kind of interesting to see that you are this academic
Speaker 2: psychologist clinical psychologists and you're also a shaman. How did
Speaker 2: that play a part in your in your work?
Speaker 1: You know? I Uh. One of the things I've written
Speaker 1: about and talk about is that each of us can
Speaker 1: look at our lives as a story, and some of
Speaker 1: that story script did buy our genes where we grew
Speaker 1: up or parents were. And I had a kind of
Speaker 1: typical Midwestern story. I grew up in Pittsburgh and Gary.
Speaker 1: My dad worked in the steel industry. I worked the
Speaker 1: summers in a couple of steel plants, and my kind
Speaker 1: of destiny at that time was to be working in
Speaker 1: probably a steel company and raising my family in a suburb,
Speaker 1: playing golf if I had enough money to you know,
Speaker 1: play and you know, cook barbecue. And that was kind
Speaker 1: of the image that I had around me, and just
Speaker 1: through a series of events, I started to experience other things,
Speaker 1: in part because that life wasn't as satisfying to me
Speaker 1: is I thought it would be. And I had, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, just an interest in shamanism and medicine people
Speaker 1: Native Americans and ended up spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: in South America working with shamans down there, and it
Speaker 1: relativized my life if it made me realize I was
Speaker 1: part of a lot bigger picture. And the experiences I
Speaker 1: had were through journeys, sometimes being in sacred places, sometimes
Speaker 1: using the plants, but all of which at around age sixty,
Speaker 1: caused me to think about my life differently such that
Speaker 1: were up until then, I was more interested in achieving
Speaker 1: and accomplishing accumulating. I really felt a need within myself
Speaker 1: to start giving back. So I had that transformation because
Speaker 1: I had Germanic experiences with the plans through journeys in
Speaker 1: places that somehow inspired those things for me and that
Speaker 1: new way of being. I think you could recreate within
Speaker 1: oneself by doing some of the practices that I talk
Speaker 1: about in my book.
Speaker 2: Did you ever do any vision quests with ayahuasca? I
Speaker 2: did Wow, fantastic. Yeah, that's We've had a number of
Speaker 2: people on the show talking about that that that's transformative,
Speaker 2: isn't it?
Speaker 1: It was, Yes, it was.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. How would you say that part of you the
Speaker 2: shamanistic approach, the shamanistic vision plays a part in your workbook?
Speaker 2: Is it the journaling that you're you're asking people to
Speaker 2: work on that brings it out? Or talk about what
Speaker 2: is incorporated with the shamanism.
Speaker 1: The shamanism just I think, like Jungian psychology and certain
Speaker 1: psychologies that believe that there are parts of us of
Speaker 1: which we are unconscious, that if we can get in
Speaker 1: touch with those parts, we have information that allows us
Speaker 1: to do things in our conscious life that we otherwise
Speaker 1: wouldn't do, and that's really what shamanism is about. As well.
Speaker 1: They may think that that realm of experience in those
Speaker 1: answers is it just within us but around us in
Speaker 1: nature and can be accessed through ritual and ceremony and
Speaker 1: to our dreams. And it's one thing to read about that,
Speaker 1: but when you really experience it in the context of
Speaker 1: a particular life issue and you get answers that you
Speaker 1: otherwise wouldn't have, then it becomes more real when you
Speaker 1: start to believe it more. And I think that's how
Speaker 1: shamanism can be useful for somebody. And that's why my
Speaker 1: writing has been Whatever your spiritual experiences are, can you
Speaker 1: somehow use them to make changes in your everyday life,
Speaker 1: in your relationships, in your health, in your jobs, in
Speaker 1: your relationships with a higher power or not, in the
Speaker 1: way you think about stuff, and your ability to kind
Speaker 1: of roll with the punches, like some of the punches
Speaker 1: that you've been talking about recently in our society. So
Speaker 1: can you somehow have a little bit more elegant life
Speaker 1: in the midst of whatever is hidden at you by
Speaker 1: somehow accessing these energies that I believe lie with a
Speaker 1: niche of us mhm uh.
Speaker 2: I wanted to call your book the journaling book, you know,
Speaker 2: because I know your titles go within to change your life.
Speaker 2: But you have so much self contemplation in the book
Speaker 2: where you're you're asking the readers your journal what's the
Speaker 2: what is so important about the process of journaling that
Speaker 2: you have laid out the workbook in that manner?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it talk about.
Speaker 1: That if if one is going to look at one's
Speaker 1: life and uh, I always say, Okay, Steff, what what's
Speaker 1: your story? Uh? You would be able to come up
Speaker 1: with some things to answer that question if you some
Speaker 1: chose uh. And then if I were to say, uh,
Speaker 1: what you like about that story? What don't you like?
Speaker 1: Would you like to change it? You say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I say okay, how would you like to change it?
Speaker 1: And then I'd say, okay, why why haven't you changed it?
Speaker 1: And well, that's complicated. You know this, that and the
Speaker 1: other and so forth. Those are kind of simple questions,
Speaker 1: but they're really big themes for any of us to
Speaker 1: ask ourselves that. And so by looking at that over
Speaker 1: and over again in a variety of ways, then I
Speaker 1: believe we can get information that if we choose, we
Speaker 1: can change. But until we get that information, until we
Speaker 1: look at it in a lot of ways, change is hard,
Speaker 1: even if we have New Year's resolutions to do it.
Speaker 1: So the journaling is just yeah, I'm giving people experiences
Speaker 1: they can have. You know, you can you can work
Speaker 1: with a dream, you can go to the lower world
Speaker 1: the shamanic idea and go to the upper world. You
Speaker 1: can work out in nature and do some things. You
Speaker 1: can do this at the other and as you write
Speaker 1: about those and you keep track of it. Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you may start to see patterns. You
Speaker 1: may get an insight that you didn't have before. It's
Speaker 1: going to enable you and maybe even cause you to
Speaker 1: make some changes. That's that's the idea. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's a reminder of keeping track of the experiences that
Speaker 1: you had working with yourself to see if some patterns
Speaker 1: emerge at a kind of a simple level, everyday level.
Speaker 1: This is something that I've done for myself, and I
Speaker 1: suggest that other people do. You know, every once in
Speaker 1: a while, during the course of a day, check in
Speaker 1: and just ask yourself, you know what am I feeling?
Speaker 1: You know how am I doing? Without being judgmental, So
Speaker 1: you kind of write it down and do that for
Speaker 1: a few days, and then you say, well, is there
Speaker 1: a pattern here? Do I feel this way more than that?
Speaker 1: When do I seem to feel this way? And then
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, well, it's interesting, it's the patterns.
Speaker 1: Then you think if I been like this for a
Speaker 1: long time. So it's just the idea of starting to
Speaker 1: interact with yourself in ways that you haven't done before,
Speaker 1: so that you eventually may get new ideas what to
Speaker 1: do different in your life, and that little simple exercise
Speaker 1: that I just mentioned is one way to do that.
Speaker 1: My book has a lot of other ways to get
Speaker 1: into it, so that at the end of the day
Speaker 1: you may be able to live differently in a way
Speaker 1: that's more satisfying to you than had you not done
Speaker 1: the work. That's the whole idea.
Speaker 2: So would you say that when you're journaling, you're tapping
Speaker 2: to the unconscious, which is the area you want to address,
Speaker 2: and what you're getting back when you quickly journal is
Speaker 2: important data.
Speaker 1: Certainly important data, and may be yes, maybe sometimes you're
Speaker 1: tapping the unconscious. But the exercises that I suggested the
Speaker 1: book where you where you tapped the unconscious, then the
Speaker 1: journaling writes about that experience. And if all of a
Speaker 1: sudden the journey you took or the time you spend
Speaker 1: in nature and you got that that, oh jeez, I
Speaker 1: never thought about it like that experience. Journealing just keeps
Speaker 1: track of those changes. Now, can it in and of
Speaker 1: itself be transformative? I believe that it can't. But somebody
Speaker 1: has to do it with you know, a certain intention
Speaker 1: to that be the case.
Speaker 2: Okay, in your book. You say that when we're journaling,
Speaker 2: we start to we start feeling, and we are looking
Speaker 2: for a shift. I mean, is that your goal is
Speaker 2: for people to be to begin waking up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean it almost feels like to me you're suggesting
Speaker 2: that we walk in a cloud. A lot of us
Speaker 2: walk kind of like unaware what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've surely been there myself. I kind of
Speaker 1: like robotically, you know, you keep the next day, goes
Speaker 1: out of the next day, the next day, and you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think about it, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you're order and you have health issues or you die,
Speaker 1: and that's it. I'm asking myself and then others, are
Speaker 1: there ways to shift out of that cloud and have
Speaker 1: kind of more awareness of what's going on so that
Speaker 1: you're able to make changes, Because the trick is you're
Speaker 1: not going to get a new life unless you make
Speaker 1: changes in what you do moment to moment, day to day.
Speaker 1: And even though people oftentimes say I'd like to make
Speaker 1: those changes, for whatever reason, they're not able to. I
Speaker 1: like to think my book helps some people who are
Speaker 1: willing to do the work make changes they otherwise wouldn't
Speaker 1: have made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing what you're saying, and I'm understanding that
Speaker 2: the book you wrote is designed around extracting key data,
Speaker 2: key bits of information that reveal where you're at, where
Speaker 2: somebody is at. Right. Yes, and I guess the thing
Speaker 2: is that we need to We don't need to. No
Speaker 2: one's christ like and walking around like an avatar saying
Speaker 2: I'm feeling great, I'm beautiful, I'm perfect, I have no problems.
Speaker 2: I think we come to Earth as a student of living,
Speaker 2: of creation, and we were imbued with all these issues
Speaker 2: to resolve them. And what you're providing is a way
Speaker 2: to look inward and correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Speaker 1: No, everything is you're saying.
Speaker 2: I agree with Yeah, Carl, I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 2: how we become aware that we're not living as fully
Speaker 2: or as holy as we can be. And I think
Speaker 2: as a lot of people listening to the show today
Speaker 2: are like, why should I bother if I'm miserable, I'm miserable,
Speaker 2: Why why should I look for a new avenue of life?
Speaker 1: And many people will feel that way to the time
Speaker 1: they die, but you can ask them. Some of those
Speaker 1: people say, well, you'd like be miserable and yeah people,
Speaker 1: uh no, I really don't. Yeah that I would say
Speaker 1: to them, well, stop being miserable, and they would say, well,
Speaker 1: it's a lot harder than you think. And I say,
Speaker 1: well tell me about it. Why. Why is it hard
Speaker 1: for you to stop being miserable? Well I can't because
Speaker 1: of this, this, this, this, and this. So some part
Speaker 1: of them, I think probably would prefer not to be miserable,
Speaker 1: but some part of themselves is making them miserable. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give them information so that both sides can
Speaker 1: hear what's going on and and and make different choices. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, so many people that I've worked with over
Speaker 1: the years, and I've worked with hundreds have on the
Speaker 1: surface just wonderful lives. You know, they're making money, either
Speaker 1: a healthy either fit, and just everything going for them,
Speaker 1: but they're sitting before and they're miserable because something's missing,
Speaker 1: something's just not quite there. And when they're really honest,
Speaker 1: there's aspects of their story that they're not happy with,
Speaker 1: but they're just not able to change. I'm saying, some
Speaker 1: of the answers to change don't lie outside of us,
Speaker 1: from you know, our therapist, from our self help folks
Speaker 1: from our to do lists, all of which can be useful,
Speaker 1: but some of the answers lie within us. It's just
Speaker 1: learning how to access them and to work with them,
Speaker 1: and that's what I've tried to do in this book.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, doctor Karl Greer, discussing journaling in
Speaker 2: his new book, Go Within to Change Your Life. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back. I guess it is doctor Carl Greer
Speaker 2: who has written a new book called Go Within to
Speaker 2: Change Your Life. This is a self assessment journaling workbook
Speaker 2: that helps us understand where we're at and how to
Speaker 2: overcome a variety of emotional issues. Carl, can you give
Speaker 2: us a couple of examples of people who are walking
Speaker 2: in the clouds, who either are in pain or they're
Speaker 2: in a state of depression or a state of disharmony,
Speaker 2: and it's really showing up big time in their life
Speaker 2: and they are need to be aware of where they're at.
Speaker 2: Can you give us a couple of examples of that? Sure?
Speaker 2: I mean it could be you can change the names
Speaker 2: of your patience if you want.
Speaker 1: Do that for kind of obvious reasons. But every man
Speaker 1: and every woman. You know, if you ask people, you
Speaker 1: know what your story, you know, how you're doing. I
Speaker 1: reflects the answer to many people. I'm doing Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 1: How about you? Uh so that would be when start
Speaker 1: into it, all right, say but okay, Jeff Carl, I
Speaker 1: want should have really kind of you know, write your story,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes we write it the way we want other
Speaker 1: people to see us. You know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: really fuss up, you know, to the world how you
Speaker 1: really feel. Okay, so you go through that exercise and
Speaker 1: then maybe you write it again, uh with really what
Speaker 1: your truth is. And then uh you say, gee, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing so well. I'm not as happy as I thought.
Speaker 1: My health isn't as good as I thought. But back
Speaker 1: to your point, I'm missing There's nothing I can do
Speaker 1: about it. There's nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a you you just give
Speaker 2: it up to destiny and I have yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Right, And I'm just saying there's more that we can
Speaker 1: do than we think, but we have to be willing
Speaker 1: to do a little work. And the work is just
Speaker 1: like you got to maybe write some things down, and
Speaker 1: you got to work with some dreams, and you maybe
Speaker 1: do some journeys which I talk about in this book,
Speaker 1: and maybe you go outside the nature and you're sitting,
Speaker 1: you know, buy some water or under a big tree,
Speaker 1: and you trust that you're part of a larger you
Speaker 1: know picture. I mean, it depends a lot on kind
Speaker 1: of your life viewed. You feel that you're here for
Speaker 1: no purpose, and you know you didn't come from any place.
Speaker 1: You're just spending some time. Then you die and that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, some people feel that way. But if you say, no,
Speaker 1: I was probably someplace before I got here. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where I'm here for some reason. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what my purpose is, but you know, I'm gonna maybe
Speaker 1: get lucky to find it out. And when I die,
Speaker 1: my spirit's probably going to go someplace else. I mean
Speaker 1: some of you know, it depends on where you are
Speaker 1: and those continuums. But once you thought about those things,
Speaker 1: and then you have to ask, is there anything I
Speaker 1: can do with spirit if you are a spiritual person,
Speaker 1: to somehow have a better life that I'm living right now,
Speaker 1: and better from the standpoint of how I would feel
Speaker 1: and how spirit would feel with me. And that's that's
Speaker 1: the stential question that if you're living robotically in the cloud,
Speaker 1: you may ever want to you may not even think
Speaker 1: to ask, or in some ways you may be a
Speaker 1: scared to ask, you know, afraid to ask it. And
Speaker 1: so we don't. And I'm just saying there's ways to
Speaker 1: get around in your question about you know, examples of people.
Speaker 1: It's anybody who's like that, of which, so, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been that way, and a lot of people I know
Speaker 1: have been that way. And sometimes they you know, they
Speaker 1: they don't do anything and then they have you know,
Speaker 1: heart issues and cancer issues or other kind of you know,
Speaker 1: mental health issues that I believe they could have done
Speaker 1: things to change the probabilities of those things happening. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't pretend to say that stuff's not going
Speaker 1: to happen in anybody's life that may not be happy.
Speaker 1: But I think we can change two things. We can
Speaker 1: change the probability of it happening, and we can change
Speaker 1: how we react to it when it does. And I
Speaker 1: think some of the exercises that I talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: address those two questions.
Speaker 2: When when someone is writing an answer to one of
Speaker 2: the questions that you uh present in this work book
Speaker 2: and they go back and they read it. I think
Speaker 2: what you're saying is this is that's a form of therapy.
Speaker 2: But also deeper down is this is the body of
Speaker 2: the mine. It's the body minded spirit recognizing that what
Speaker 2: has been written is important.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, particularly if you if you do a few
Speaker 1: of the extras. So if you work with some dreams
Speaker 1: that you write down some stuff and with that and
Speaker 1: then you do a shamanic journey which I talk about,
Speaker 1: or some shamanic work which I talk about, and and
Speaker 1: you use that to look at, say a problem in
Speaker 1: your different you know, views of it, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you think, hey, you don't have to hit
Speaker 1: me over the head anymore. I need to change this now.
Speaker 1: The question is am I able to change it or
Speaker 1: really willing to change it? Because basically, if you want
Speaker 1: to have a different outcome, you have to change some stuff.
Speaker 1: Or you know, some people say and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you just think you think about whatever is differently, But
Speaker 1: that's a change too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the term. I was gonna say, this is
Speaker 2: a therapy workbook, but I don't like that word. I
Speaker 2: think it's more of a journey in a shamanic journey
Speaker 2: of individual will.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or lack your ob yeah well, and not judging,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you know, we're beaten down. It's too much work.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have the energy to do it,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I kind of hear you, but it's
Speaker 1: just over my head or it's not something that's for me.
Speaker 1: And I get that. I get that. All I know
Speaker 1: is enough people have done these things and have really
Speaker 1: said that they've changed. It's caused me to write these
Speaker 1: kind of books. Yeah. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing about your book, Carl, is that
Speaker 2: you actually show that just a little bit of dialogue
Speaker 2: every day or once a week, whenever you can get
Speaker 2: to it begins making you feel better. You begin feeling better,
Speaker 2: but you also kind of clear the slight slowly of
Speaker 2: accumulated waste that's not serving you anymore.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and you were you know that that dialoguing process.
Speaker 1: You know, if we go back to you know what
Speaker 1: I said early on, that there's probably a part of
Speaker 1: us who wants to change, part of us and doesn't.
Speaker 1: If we can somehow have a conversation, uh with that part,
Speaker 1: I call that the you know, the hidden wisdom that
Speaker 1: can be really valuable because there may have some part
Speaker 1: of you that has good reasons, you know, to not change,
Speaker 1: but maybe there's another part of you that convince it,
Speaker 1: you know, that it doesn't have to to not hold
Speaker 1: to that position, and that that kind of almost gets
Speaker 1: back to you know, like the society questions you say, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of people that have
Speaker 1: different opinions as to how we should be doing things.
Speaker 1: H many of them don't. They can't stand up being
Speaker 1: the same room with each other, and they can't hold
Speaker 1: a conversation about those issues for very long without getting heated. Well,
Speaker 1: within ourselves, we're like that too, So what's the answer
Speaker 1: to that. We have to listen, listen, listen, listen better
Speaker 1: then respond in my opinion, and similarly, we've got to listen, listen,
Speaker 1: listen to those parts of ourselves, but we have to
Speaker 1: allow them to express themselves, and we have to be
Speaker 1: as factual as we can, you know, with what we're saying,
Speaker 1: and then we agree to disagree or we find you know,
Speaker 1: common ground. And that's the same work that I think
Speaker 1: a person can do with themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that hype archetypes are very important in
Speaker 2: the book, and you you know, have people begin thinking
Speaker 2: of identifying the arch test What is an archetype? Carl?
Speaker 2: And is it important to really understand where you're at
Speaker 2: at this time of your life?
Speaker 1: Uh? In Jungian you know psychology, Uh, there's there's this
Speaker 1: concept that Carl Jung talked about the collective unconscious and uh.
Speaker 1: And that would be uh, this this unified field that
Speaker 1: connects us all. And in some of the great religions, Ah,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be the uh, the space of spirit,
Speaker 1: the creative energy of life. Ah. In the Missing Judaism,
Speaker 1: it's the i'd sof h h Uh in some of
Speaker 1: my journeys I've encountered, is the quiet. It's the place
Speaker 1: before creation, before there's an idea, the form of the idea,
Speaker 1: before for any energization in the idea. It's from which
Speaker 1: all of this universe in ourselves came. And so we
Speaker 1: have this energy within us. And so when people say
Speaker 1: the one and the many, and the many and the one,
Speaker 1: that's my understanding of what they're saying. But that energy
Speaker 1: also has many, many sub parts that influence how we think,
Speaker 1: act and feel. And so the idea is from this big,
Speaker 1: unified field. Some of us, just for one reason or another,
Speaker 1: get more connected to a certain energy than another. For example,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are warriors, so they're going to
Speaker 1: fight at the drop of a hat. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of variations on how they're warriors. Some are healers,
Speaker 1: you know, they just want to take care of people.
Speaker 1: Some are kind of mothering, they want to really mother people.
Speaker 1: Some are fothering people. They want to be you know,
Speaker 1: following people, some or followers. We're leaders. So there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of energy that can kind of when we look
Speaker 1: at our lives, we can say, yeah, I'm more like
Speaker 1: this person than that person, and what what do we identify?
Speaker 1: So you can you go to movies, you know what
Speaker 1: kind of people in the movies do you like? You
Speaker 1: like the story of the person who came from the
Speaker 1: wrong side of the tracks and all something makes it
Speaker 1: good or you know, I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: saw the movie Rudy. You know, a guy from a
Speaker 1: you know, a Malton outside of Chicago wants to play football,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, but you know it just so those are
Speaker 1: kind of feel good stories. The rob cops, you know what,
Speaker 1: what do we identify with what kind of So that's
Speaker 1: what I meant by archetypes, and some of those things
Speaker 1: we're not even aware of, we really live in that role.
Speaker 1: In other words, a doctor, you know, they're not only
Speaker 1: a doctor, you know when they're seeing patients, but there
Speaker 1: there's a doctor in their homes. Or psychologists, you know
Speaker 1: the trick. A lot of people were marriage psychologists, say Jake,
Speaker 1: they'll keep psychologizing me all the time, you know, so
Speaker 1: you keep get caught in your role, and the role
Speaker 1: could be what I'm calling an archetype.
Speaker 2: Mhmm uh. Can you give us a few examples, Carl,
Speaker 2: I mean you have. It's great because in the book
Speaker 2: you list them all or most of them. I think
Speaker 2: you have as an example, the adventurer, which is a
Speaker 2: risk taking type, the child, which is the innocent one,
Speaker 2: the lover of the romancer, what what I mean? They're
Speaker 2: they're pretty self explanatory. But when you say someone is
Speaker 2: identifying with the adventurer, give us an example of somebody
Speaker 2: who you would consider the adventure It's almost self explanatory.
Speaker 2: But I just need a little more definition.
Speaker 1: Let's say, uh, you're you're you're living in uh you know,
Speaker 1: uh mill Town and Middle America and uh uh you're
Speaker 1: you're uh uh got a pension or your forward case
Speaker 1: you know, going up, and uh you're thinking, gee, I
Speaker 1: just want to run out my time and then yeah,
Speaker 1: my wife and I are going to maybe take some
Speaker 1: trips when I retire. But in the middle of that,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you say, gee, uh, I've really
Speaker 1: got an idea for a business. I've got to I've
Speaker 1: got you know, I'm good with my hands, you know,
Speaker 1: and we just don't know how to make some of
Speaker 1: these uh tools as as as effectively as I think.
Speaker 1: And I have a way to make tools that I
Speaker 1: think I can sell and make money from, but I'd
Speaker 1: have to kind of give up my uh uh my
Speaker 1: job and my security to do that. That that's an adventurer,
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, that's that's what one time.
Speaker 1: Now you can also say, well, you've got adventurers who
Speaker 1: want to uh skydive, uh they want to kind of
Speaker 1: push themselves against physical limits. They want to mountain fly,
Speaker 1: uh the other they want to uh hanglide uh you know,
Speaker 1: so so things like that those would be they're they're
Speaker 1: you know, risking for some reason that's complicated you know, eventually,
Speaker 1: if one worked long enough, we could probably get some
Speaker 1: ideas as to what's causing that. But that's what I
Speaker 1: would say adventure. Yeah, you can also have an adventure
Speaker 1: that says, gee, I'm making it big. I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a big time entrepreneur. I got my own business, but
Speaker 1: I'm not satisfied. I want to go up to New
Speaker 1: England and open a hardware store. And there's people that
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and so that's an adventure.
Speaker 2: Give us the example of the child Carl, because it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're a child as an adult. You
Speaker 2: could be sixty seventy eighty years old but still have
Speaker 2: the archetype of the child. And you also listed as
Speaker 2: not only the child archetype, but innocent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes, you know, you know, kind of the childlike
Speaker 1: mind that doesn't feel that they know everything. They're asking
Speaker 1: questions still they don't have all the answers, So it
Speaker 1: can be a plus to be she kind of you know,
Speaker 1: you know, childlife. More innocent is you're not jaded, you're
Speaker 1: not done with life, which you said earlier, Cliff, you know,
Speaker 1: I miss nothing I can do about it. Well, you
Speaker 1: know that's that's got a stance that people take. But
Speaker 1: you know, a child might be more wondering. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just geez all, this is all new to me.
Speaker 1: And holy Macro, I look at that sunset. I never
Speaker 1: saw one like that before. Geez did you see that
Speaker 1: little bird? I never knew it was up, you know,
Speaker 1: above my thing. It's got little babies in his desk.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of refreshingly struck by life, like a
Speaker 1: child that's seeing things in your eyes for the first time.
Speaker 1: That would be one or or or too innocent, and
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, but you've got to be in this world.
Speaker 1: You can't be You got to be kind of watching
Speaker 1: your back all the time. So those would that'd be
Speaker 1: another archetype. So you're just kind of The idea is
Speaker 1: to not get identified too much with any one of
Speaker 1: them and be fluid in just being who you are
Speaker 1: in life that you and that's where they're said and done.
Speaker 2: And what would you say? The participant of your workbook
Speaker 2: gets from the answers to the questions regarding their archetypal type,
Speaker 2: do they get a kind of a more of a
Speaker 2: guidance on steps to achieve more happiness or talk about
Speaker 2: that a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's part of one of the I'm hoping that a
Speaker 1: person doing this book is going to have many, many
Speaker 1: data points. And one data point is, Gee, I never
Speaker 1: realized I'm the archetype of the workaholic, and I never
Speaker 1: realized that so much. And so that's one little data
Speaker 1: point that I didn't have. And then I'm doing some
Speaker 1: other stuff and I'm realizing that, Gee, because I'm a workaholic,
Speaker 1: I'm not really spending a lot of time with a
Speaker 1: lot of the people that I care about, even though
Speaker 1: I'm justifying it because I'm doing it for them. So
Speaker 1: I never quite thought about it like that. And then
Speaker 1: I'm doing another exercise and I'm finding out about my
Speaker 1: lifestyle that, gee, the fact that I have high blood
Speaker 1: pressure and diabetes and some hard issues, maybe it's tied
Speaker 1: into just what I just came up with. And then
Speaker 1: a little later, I'm doing a journey to the lower
Speaker 1: world and I made a contract with life. It says this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. So I have four or five
Speaker 1: six data points flip that I didn't have before. And
Speaker 1: then I'm going to say, do I want to continue
Speaker 1: on like this? And then I have but what's the alternative?
Speaker 1: And you do another journey, you do another work, and
Speaker 1: so you get just different bits of information, all of
Speaker 1: which at the end of the day you me are
Speaker 1: going to have to say I'm going to make some
Speaker 1: changes where I'm not. And we say it's too complicated.
Speaker 1: You don't understand. I can't make him, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to and you can't make me. But sometimes we say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I've been living crazy. I got to
Speaker 1: make some changes. And then to do it day to
Speaker 1: day it's hard. It's hard. So you have to talk
Speaker 1: about small little changes changes that the margin can have
Speaker 1: bigger changes. You have to have new habits, and you
Speaker 1: got to hook new habits. I have the old habits,
Speaker 1: and I talk about ways to do that, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you can do all this work,
Speaker 1: but unless you make changes in your every day you know.
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Speaker 2: guess today is doctor Carl Greer. He has written a
Speaker 2: new therapeutic work book called Go Within to Change Your Life.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you what we're hearing about
Speaker 2: today is kind of new because we're journaling to get
Speaker 2: to the root of our depression, anxieties, fears, and all
Speaker 2: kinds of other psychological conditions. And this workbook appears to
Speaker 2: be a real great solut for clarifying where we're at.
Speaker 2: Give us an example of a little change someone would
Speaker 2: make from a process and if you can, and this
Speaker 2: is all scenarios that you probably can provide details of
Speaker 2: if they make this change, what are they going to
Speaker 2: see in their life that is that is going to
Speaker 2: be made in a different way or is going to
Speaker 2: be presented in a different way because of the change.
Speaker 1: All right, give you a couple examples. One, you know
Speaker 1: in the in health. You know, if you have a
Speaker 1: health chapter, everybody can write your health chapter. And we
Speaker 1: all know that to be healthier, we have to eat better,
Speaker 1: we have to move exercise, we have to manage our stress. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's those are pretty quickly. So what does it mean
Speaker 1: to eat better? And so maybe you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: little less sweets maybe and a little less alcohol or vegetables. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a slight change would be if you drink one
Speaker 1: and a half or two drinks a day, you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna drink maybe one a day, and then maybe
Speaker 1: you cut that down to three a week, and at
Speaker 1: the same time you say, you know, I missed the
Speaker 1: alcohol because you know it does this and that for me.
Speaker 1: But in the nights that I don't drink, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do some chigag or some yoga. I'm gonna try something,
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of fill that space. So you're
Speaker 1: experimenting so that over time you've done things a little
Speaker 1: bit differently at the margin. So that would be you know,
Speaker 1: in the health thing. In your relationships, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of us don't listen real well. You know,
Speaker 1: we're we're waiting for the other person to finish so
Speaker 1: we can say what we want to say. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we're trying to we're trying to speed it along as
Speaker 1: fast as we Yeah, so we could we could give
Speaker 1: them the truths. Uh. So can we just learn in
Speaker 1: the moment to pause a little bit, you know, to
Speaker 1: find that would be an example of a of a
Speaker 1: small change, you know, before I respond, Uh, in this moment,
Speaker 1: I'm going to wait a few seconds. It's a simple thing,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it said, geez, I'm glad I pause because
Speaker 1: if I hadn't, I would have said this, And had
Speaker 1: I said that, I would have wished I had so
Speaker 1: like that that I'm talking about. Okay, Yeah, examples like
Speaker 1: that in the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. And that's it's kind of nice that
Speaker 2: you put that in there. I I've been meditating for
Speaker 2: three decades and I find it amazingly beneficial. Was it
Speaker 2: the shamanistic part of you that began meditating? And now
Speaker 2: you're suggesting that the reader of your workbook consider meditation
Speaker 2: as a form of therapy? Talk about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's so many ways that people talk
Speaker 1: about you know, what is meditation is this kind of
Speaker 1: being still quiet, let your thoughts come and go, but
Speaker 1: take a pause in the middle of a day just
Speaker 1: to kind of be to be. I mean, that's one
Speaker 1: thing that I've tried to do more of compared to
Speaker 1: when I was younger. And and it could be just
Speaker 1: walking in nature where you just are thinking, but you're
Speaker 1: just observing and you're starting to feel cheap. Nature is
Speaker 1: looking at me just like I'm looking at nature. I
Speaker 1: say that can be by my definition, slip that can
Speaker 1: be a meditation. I'm just kind of walking. I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to think, and I'm aware that, you know, my
Speaker 1: back's a little sore and my knees might be a
Speaker 1: little sore, and I'm just aware of that. That can
Speaker 1: be a meditation. So for me, those are things that
Speaker 1: I try to do. It just pauses in my life
Speaker 1: to just be in ways that not when I'm just Russian, Russian, Russian,
Speaker 1: and it's surprised. It's it's work to try to experiment
Speaker 1: with it and to try it, and then life has
Speaker 1: its own you got.
Speaker 2: To to do.
Speaker 1: List gets busy, busier, and you got to do this
Speaker 1: and that. And I as an almost eighty five year old,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about those things a lot and
Speaker 1: try to do it more more graciously than I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that analogy in suggestion for meditation, you
Speaker 2: don't need to do a Hindu or a Chinese Taoist
Speaker 2: form of meditation. You can to create your own. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're suggesting, and I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: in the book. Maybe it is in the book Car
Speaker 2: where you're saying, just close your eyes and just let
Speaker 2: your mind go free. Or whatever. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a very useful suggestion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the benefits are still the same, I would
Speaker 2: imagine or similar.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's the key to the meditative process.
Speaker 1: Is that Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a spiritual benefit for it because
Speaker 1: it maybe gets as closer to you know, kind of
Speaker 1: approve this to our creator. But I think just the
Speaker 1: you know, the idea that we're in a meditative space state,
Speaker 1: our neurotransmitters are different, and our brain waves are different,
Speaker 1: and our sypathetic nervous system is a little less active
Speaker 1: in our prayer sympathetic nervous system is where in all
Speaker 1: those states cause our immune systems to be better. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's kind of improven. So we're doing things to our
Speaker 1: health when we're in those states and we get to
Speaker 1: those states by any of these means that we're calling meditation.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean meditation for me is like breathing.
Speaker 2: If I don't do it once in the morning, trying
Speaker 2: to do it in the evening as well, I just
Speaker 2: don't function as well. So something's going on there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I try to do that myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about innate wisdom or inner wisdom in
Speaker 2: the work that you're suggesting people do, Carl, Is that
Speaker 2: what you're suggesting or this is what you're telling us
Speaker 2: is happening when you're journaling, Is that this wisdom is
Speaker 2: coming out in the writing through the process.
Speaker 1: It can be, or the writing is having part of
Speaker 1: you describing what that wisdom looks like as it's been
Speaker 1: revealed through a dream or through a time in nature,
Speaker 1: or through a shamani journey. In other words, you're you're,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're seeing it and obviously you're making it
Speaker 1: conscious to you in a way that you wouldn't had
Speaker 1: you not written to Dot and And I like the
Speaker 1: way you were talking about it earlier that if you're
Speaker 1: looking at what you write down over the course of time,
Speaker 1: you know, in conjunction with a lot of the different exercises,
Speaker 1: it's all data for you about yourself. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: may say, gee, there's a there's a pattern here, there's
Speaker 1: a picture here that I didn't realize before. Then maybe
Speaker 1: I want to do something about do something different. It
Speaker 1: just gives you more data make changes in your life.
Speaker 1: It's just like if you go to your doctor or
Speaker 1: it's like you go and they say, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta do this, this, this, this, and this, and you
Speaker 1: either do it or you don't. But if you go
Speaker 1: to your therapist and they help you hopefully come up
Speaker 1: with things yourself, but some of them suggest things that
Speaker 1: they think you might want to think about or do.
Speaker 1: And uh, this is just another source of data which
Speaker 1: I found very valuable because it's all it's you to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's self therapy. It really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2: You talk about establishing good new habits. Uh, what are
Speaker 2: some of the ways to make these habits stick? Because
Speaker 2: that's the real challenge that most people have. They'll go,
Speaker 2: I got to change this behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think you've got to be
Speaker 1: two things of several things. You have to be forgiving
Speaker 1: of yourself if you don't, you know, art to stick
Speaker 1: to them. That's the first thing. And then you have
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of experiment, you know, with new
Speaker 1: new ways to change it. Okay, I'm not doing good,
Speaker 1: you know, not having chocolate anymore. Okay, but maybe I
Speaker 1: can have a little less chocolate or you know, I
Speaker 1: can just have a little less of this that I
Speaker 1: used to, and maybe I'm going to reward myself with
Speaker 1: something that pleases you, and maybe that which pleases you
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily please somebody else, but you. I want to
Speaker 1: take you fifteen minutes and read my books that I had,
Speaker 1: you know, my favorite fiction book that I hadn't read before.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: That's a treat for me, and I normally wouldn't break
Speaker 1: up my day to do that. Or I've got some
Speaker 1: writing that I wanted to do, or you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to my you know, relative it just crossed
Speaker 1: my mind for a long time. I'm going to call them.
Speaker 1: So you're just doing things different in your life. Did
Speaker 1: you see how that feels? And tying the habit to
Speaker 1: the habit would be I'm gonna find things that make
Speaker 1: me feel good. I'm gonna maybe not have that drink
Speaker 1: or not have that deserve and in place of it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a three minute walk or a five
Speaker 1: minute walker. I'm gonna, you know, do my breathing exercise.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something else. It also gives me pleasure,
Speaker 1: but maybe at the end of the day healthier for me.
Speaker 2: You know. I like everything you're saying, but you're you're
Speaker 2: talking about self motivation, and that's hard for a lot
Speaker 2: of people. Is to is to develop good habits because
Speaker 2: they get into a lifestyle which is I want to
Speaker 2: eat what I want to eat, I want to drink
Speaker 2: what I want to eat drink, and I want to
Speaker 2: do what I want to do and it could be very,
Speaker 2: very damaging. So how do you break free of that?
Speaker 2: For that.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, if you don't really recognize it, it's damaging
Speaker 1: to you, you're not going to And then you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that you know that they're
Speaker 1: never going to change, and they're probably gonna in many
Speaker 1: cases die earlier and more by our standards, by some standards,
Speaker 1: less happy than had they made the changes. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that if you recognize that some of these things
Speaker 1: aren't too good for you, and you don't have the
Speaker 1: resources within yourself to make the changes, this book is
Speaker 1: to help you get those resources from yourself. Because it
Speaker 1: gets back to what I said at the beginning of
Speaker 1: our talk. You know, uh, people people say, all right,
Speaker 1: I got to exercise more. Okay, well why don't you
Speaker 1: exercide more? Like you said? But all right, because I'm
Speaker 1: saying there's some part of you wants to exercise, that's
Speaker 1: what you said, but some part of yourself obviously does
Speaker 1: it because you're not doing it. So can you somehow
Speaker 1: work with that part that says I don't want to
Speaker 1: in a different way so that you end up exercising more.
Speaker 1: And there's a zillion because each of us is different
Speaker 1: to do it. It's it's hard to if you kind
Speaker 1: of enjoy something in the moment and somebody's gonna say,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, but if you don't do it, you're going
Speaker 1: to live a lot longer and autimately you're going to
Speaker 1: be happier. It's hard to kind of to buy, you know,
Speaker 1: to buy into that, particularly if you've got to give
Speaker 1: up thing in a moment to give you blaker but
Speaker 1: it may not be good for you. But somehow you
Speaker 1: got to get that part of you that says, I
Speaker 1: want to give that a chance, and you do it
Speaker 1: for a week or two. I'm sure you've got people
Speaker 1: on your show or say, you know, it was hard
Speaker 1: for me to change my diet, But now that I've
Speaker 1: done it, you know, three or four months later, some
Speaker 1: of the stuff I used to eat, I just I'm
Speaker 1: not attracted to anymore. It took me a long time
Speaker 1: to get unaddicted to it or you know, similarly, know,
Speaker 1: I used to drink more than I should or smoke
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever the thing thing was, and I really
Speaker 1: feel honestly better not doing it. Doesn't mean that I'm
Speaker 1: not tempted. I smell the good burger, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. But it's just easier for me to say
Speaker 1: no or a little teeny bit. It's just working with yourself,
Speaker 1: you with you to somehow come up with new ways
Speaker 1: of living that you wouldn't have done as you're not
Speaker 1: done this inner work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Thank you. The books called Go
Speaker 2: Within to Change Your Life a hidden wisdom workbook for
Speaker 2: personal transformation. I guess it has been Carl Greer. Carl,
Speaker 2: the workbook appears to be a slow process of discovery.
Speaker 2: I mean, we need to be patient with ourselves, don't we.
Speaker 1: We do? But and I say to a reader, don't
Speaker 1: you know you can just skim it. Answer a few
Speaker 1: questions that call to you, Just do a few things,
Speaker 1: think about it, take time in your life, just like
Speaker 1: I was saying, to check in with yourself during the day.
Speaker 1: What do I feel? You know, what's my experience? And
Speaker 1: try to be honest with yourself and see if you
Speaker 1: can see some patterns and then if you do and
Speaker 1: you'd like to change them and you can't. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of exercises in here that hopefully well could change.
Speaker 2: Yeah. As a therapist, Carl, what do you hope people
Speaker 2: get from the book? I mean, for me, I would
Speaker 2: think there would be two scales. The lowest scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten would be somebody who thought it was
Speaker 2: a well written book and they perhaps did a chapter
Speaker 2: and they follow the Q and A. And then the
Speaker 2: high scale of someone who's in the eight to ten
Speaker 2: is actually going through the whole work book and processing
Speaker 2: and really getting life changing aspects. That's my interpretation. But
Speaker 2: what do you say?
Speaker 1: No, I think that's well point. And some people that
Speaker 1: read the introduction and say this is all kind of
Speaker 1: woo woo stuff.
Speaker 2: We don't even go yeah, they don't even go yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, right.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. The nice thing that's ree for everything be
Speaker 1: you know, there's some surfaces that have read this book
Speaker 1: that have said their nost party to refer to their
Speaker 1: clients because they find it useful, and that's nice deformation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the book has only been out about a
Speaker 2: year or less.
Speaker 1: No, it's only been a couple of months.
Speaker 2: They're not a couple of months.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Your website is Carl Grier g R E E R
Speaker 2: dot com. You're also on Twitter, You're on Facebook Carl
Speaker 2: Grier Author. Uh what did people find on your website?
Speaker 2: Do you have like videos or do you have processes
Speaker 2: or what do you got on your website?
Speaker 1: I have some, you know, I've written blogs over the years,
Speaker 1: so I've blogs. I also have I'm involved with the
Speaker 1: number of philanthropies and charities, so I described the charities
Speaker 1: that I'm working with and that's on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that age sixty was kind of a
Speaker 2: turning point for you. Was this when you start writing
Speaker 2: your books?
Speaker 1: No, I was a little older than I started writing books.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Over seventy.
Speaker 2: You wrote three here you wrote change your Story, change
Speaker 2: your Life, change the story of your health, the necktie
Speaker 2: in the Draaguire, and then your memoir. Wow. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: was the inspiration? You just decided you needed to do something?
Speaker 1: I did? You know? There was you know kind of
Speaker 1: my stick was you know people were spiritual? Can you
Speaker 1: bring your spirituality into your everyday life? And people who
Speaker 1: aren't spiritual. Can you get a connection to spirit to
Speaker 1: help you change everyday license you want to? So those
Speaker 1: are my two kind of ways of thinking about stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's what I've written about Fantastic.
Speaker 2: The book is go within to Change your life. Carl.
Speaker 2: Real pleasure speaking with you, and I appreciate your work.
Speaker 1: I appreciate talking to you, Cliff. I enjoyed it. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for hosting me.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until after the interview that Carl
Speaker 2: has invented something like a pre therapy or self therapeutic
Speaker 2: workbook program that is built for people who haven't been
Speaker 2: to a therapist or is trying to save money and
Speaker 2: building out a way to discover. So it's discovery, discovering problems,
Speaker 2: discovering tendencies, bad habits, trauma. That's the big one. We
Speaker 2: live with these traumas, and this is coming out more
Speaker 2: and more every day, is that these traumas are running us. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that big of a work BOOKU.
Speaker 2: It's two hundred pages, and he really gets into a
Speaker 2: lot of journaling exercises that I think really help. But
Speaker 2: the key is to interpret them. So and it is
Speaker 2: not a solution for a therapist. If you're in real
Speaker 2: big trouble and you have thoughts of offering yourself, that's
Speaker 2: another word for suicide, taking your own life. You can't
Speaker 2: get out of bed, you're moping around. You got to
Speaker 2: see a therapist. You got to see a physical therapist.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, go within to change your life. Has been
Speaker 2: out on the market for a couple of weeks now,
Speaker 2: and whatever you think I mean, check it out. Go
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