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Speaker 2: that I want to get to here in our five
Speaker 2: o'clock hour to reset. For those of you just now
Speaker 2: joining us, welcome in. You know, better late than never
Speaker 2: fashionably late. Although you know, if you have a job
Speaker 2: and you know you don't really get a chance to
Speaker 2: listen to you get in your car and drive home,
Speaker 2: Like I get it. You know, you got you got responsibilities.
Speaker 2: But with Louisville football, I think we've we've exhausted all
Speaker 2: different ways to express our frustration. And I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm content now, meaning like I maybe content is
Speaker 2: not the right word, but like I'm well aware of
Speaker 2: their issues that they have right now. But the more
Speaker 2: I you know, think back to the things that are
Speaker 2: really surprising and concerning, I mean, it's fixable stuff to know,
Speaker 2: that is why you are. I mean, you could easily
Speaker 2: be undefeated right now if you just like eliminate three
Speaker 2: of your countless goofs. And I shouldn't say countless, I mean,
Speaker 2: although there are a lot and sometimes you just make
Speaker 2: a mistake, like nobody's perfect, but just the avoidable things
Speaker 2: that have happened, and maybe it's not avoidable. But if
Speaker 2: you don't get it on fourth down, I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: that's that. You know, you credit the other team for
Speaker 2: getting to stop. But the lack of you know, creativity,
Speaker 2: the vanilla play calling on some of these fourth downs,
Speaker 2: not having a coach that can specifically say, hey, you
Speaker 2: need to call a time out, burn one and make
Speaker 2: them go look at this review because they didn't. They
Speaker 2: didn't give you the spot in the right and they
Speaker 2: did not spot the ball correctly. And if they go
Speaker 2: look at it they'll know, or you know, making sure
Speaker 2: that the defense isn't too complicated where you got dudes
Speaker 2: running on the field looking around like am I supposed
Speaker 2: to be here? What planet am I on? What are
Speaker 2: we doing? So with all that said, you could easily
Speaker 2: be you could easily be under I mean, let's just
Speaker 2: say you don't get the delay a game at the
Speaker 2: end there against Notre Dame and you find a way
Speaker 2: to score and you go for to and win. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's a you know, that's a real reach considering
Speaker 2: out up it's been for Louisville to get a conversion
Speaker 2: on fourth and one, But like, that's not crazy if
Speaker 2: you don't have the bobbled ball where Jacory Brooks, you know,
Speaker 2: who's been great, by the way, one of the best
Speaker 2: receivers in the country. If he doesn't bobble that ball
Speaker 2: that gets picked off, you know, maybe you take momentum
Speaker 2: and you when you you know, and you have a
Speaker 2: lead there and you don't even need to score a
Speaker 2: touchdown at the end of the game. You know against SMU,
Speaker 2: you know you fought back. Let's say they do call
Speaker 2: that a fumble. Different ballgame, and it's all would it,
Speaker 2: could have, should have. But again, it's nice to know
Speaker 2: that it's not like we've learned throughout these first few weeks,
Speaker 2: first four weeks, whatever it is. I mean, they've been
Speaker 2: playing for a long time, but I don't really count
Speaker 2: the first two games. But it would be much worse
Speaker 2: if we had to just really, you know, look in
Speaker 2: the mirror and realize we don't have any good players.
Speaker 2: And look, if you have good players and you don't lose,
Speaker 2: that's what makes it worse. But like it's it's to me,
Speaker 2: it's encouraging to know that, like just tightening some things
Speaker 2: up easier said than done, Like that could change a
Speaker 2: lot for this team. But again, it's also frustrating to
Speaker 2: know that if you were more ready to play in
Speaker 2: these games, and you were more sharp overall, you know,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't even have to worry about it. So with
Speaker 2: all that said, Saturday's a massive game. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know we say that about a lot of games that
Speaker 2: really don't have that kind of a feel like, uh oh,
Speaker 2: here we go. Man, there's a lot on the line,
Speaker 2: a lot at stake, a lot of value here if
Speaker 2: you can pull off the victory, like this isn't that,
Speaker 2: but this is just you have to win here, like
Speaker 2: you can't lose this must win game, as they say,
Speaker 2: which I hate that saying, because again, I don't think
Speaker 2: there's going to be some major consequence for Jeff Brom
Speaker 2: if they don't win this game, because you know he's
Speaker 2: not gonna get fired. And I don't even think fans.
Speaker 2: I don't even think the most angry fan in the world,
Speaker 2: if Louisville was to lose, would say that they need
Speaker 2: to make a change. I mean, if so, then you
Speaker 2: know I'd say your emotion as a fan had got
Speaker 2: the best of you. I mean, you could have your
Speaker 2: opinion of Brom that maybe you don't think he's as
Speaker 2: great as a lot of the fans think, myself included,
Speaker 2: But like, you know, that would be a crazy reaction.
Speaker 2: So you lose this one, You're not losing to a
Speaker 2: top twenty five team. The other two teams that have
Speaker 2: beat you are ranked. You lose this one, it's just
Speaker 2: because you're You're a bad football team in Virginia. May
Speaker 2: not be the worst team in the world, but they're
Speaker 2: not good. They shouldn't be in a position to where
Speaker 2: they beat you. With Louisville coming off of a really
Speaker 2: good season last year, I think from a personnel standpoint,
Speaker 2: they got better. They don't have a running back like
Speaker 2: jar Jordan or Aiza Garnde, but you know, Isaac Brown's
Speaker 2: pretty damn good. And they got a quarterback that said
Speaker 2: on a different planet than the guy they had last year. So, like,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't lose this game, and I hope that they won't,
Speaker 2: but I really don't know. I don't really know what
Speaker 2: to expect. So again, it's a big game, just because
Speaker 2: you need to stop the bleeding. Essentially, you've now lost
Speaker 2: five of your last six games against power for programs,
Speaker 2: and I know, going back to last year, like maybe
Speaker 2: that seems like a stretch to really just produce a
Speaker 2: stat that just makes things look really bad. But it's
Speaker 2: it's also true, Like you know, it's not like I'm
Speaker 2: making it up. What is last year have to do
Speaker 2: with this year? Really nothing, But again that's a trend,
Speaker 2: and these are the kind of things people will do.
Speaker 2: They'll grab stats from previous years, jump them together just
Speaker 2: to just to really emphasize how bad things are. And
Speaker 2: maybe it'll be an exaggeration, but hey, when you're a
Speaker 2: three potentially a three and three team losing I guess
Speaker 2: six of your seven games against power for competition, you're
Speaker 2: gonna hear this fan base as pessimistic as ever, I think,
Speaker 2: and understandably so. So there's already been more noise out
Speaker 2: there about Louisville football and the brom Era that I mean,
Speaker 2: fans are more upset now than they've probably ever been.
Speaker 2: I hope that they're not discouraged to feel as if
Speaker 2: like louisvill football's not in good hands. But it's on
Speaker 2: Jeff Brohm and his staff to go out there and
Speaker 2: the team as well and win this game to kind
Speaker 2: of put that fear out of mind at least for
Speaker 2: the time being. If you can find a way to
Speaker 2: clean some things up, go win in Charlottesville. I don't
Speaker 2: think that means you should feel great about the opportunity
Speaker 2: to host Miami, but it'll at least give you a
Speaker 2: chance to take on Miami where you are coming off
Speaker 2: of a victory, and you know, if you do find
Speaker 2: a way to beat them, then that does reset some
Speaker 2: things and you do feel like you have You've gotten better,
Speaker 2: You've cleaned up the issues that you had. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure many will still think back and think, damn, it
Speaker 2: could be undefeated right now if that's you know, if
Speaker 2: that situation were to play out, And I'm one of
Speaker 2: those fans that would do the same thing. But as
Speaker 2: I discussed yesterday, I've never felt that Louisville needs to
Speaker 2: be in the playoff or even contending for a spot
Speaker 2: in the playoff at the end of the year for
Speaker 2: us to be able to say that that was a
Speaker 2: good year. I mean, it's more it's more realistic now
Speaker 2: because there's twelve teams to get in, and you played
Speaker 2: in the ACC championship game a year ago. Therefore, like
Speaker 2: you were right there with a chance to do it
Speaker 2: a year ago, why can't you do it? Moving forward, Like,
Speaker 2: I get all that, but I think if you were
Speaker 2: somebody that sets it up to where they got to
Speaker 2: go to the playoff or I'm gonna say the year
Speaker 2: was a disappointment, then I think you're setting yourself up
Speaker 2: to be a pretty disappointed fan because it's not gonna
Speaker 2: happen every year. Hell, I don't know when it's gonna
Speaker 2: if it's gonna happen, I mean I think it can.
Speaker 2: But if they still find a way to win I
Speaker 2: don't know, nine games this year, I'm sure that won't
Speaker 2: have them in the playoff or even in the consideration.
Speaker 2: But I'm still gonna say that's a pretty good year.
Speaker 2: But again, you can, you know, you can be a
Speaker 2: fan feel the way you feel, and you know, do
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Speaker 2: forget tomorrow we'll be live in Charlotte. In fact, we'll
Speaker 2: be doing the show in Charlotte tomorrow and on Thursday
Speaker 2: for the ACC basketball tip off, And at four o'clock
Speaker 2: on Thursday, Pat Kelsey's going to join us on the show.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to to catching up with him, and then
Speaker 2: also at some point, don't don't know the exact time.
Speaker 2: We'll be joined by Chucky Hepburn and Javon Hadley, who
Speaker 2: are the two players that are going to be representing
Speaker 2: Louisville at the ACC basketball tip off. All right, something
Speaker 2: we need to get into here in just a moment
Speaker 2: is the old Rick Patino thing, because I think we've
Speaker 2: got our five o'clock crowd, that is, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: they were talking about it at work with their colleagues
Speaker 2: who are UK fans, and you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to make this a bigger thing than it really is,
Speaker 2: but like I know this rivalry. I know these fan
Speaker 2: bases pretty well. I can't really relate to Kentucky fans,
Speaker 2: but you know I know enough of you. I can
Speaker 2: smell you out. I can check your pulse a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like there's no doubt Patino going to the UK Vandy
Speaker 2: game this weekend. Has been a conversation among fans today,
Speaker 2: and it seems as if we've got a mixed bag
Speaker 2: of results as far a mixed bag as far as
Speaker 2: how people feel about the game. But we'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a moment. What I do want to do
Speaker 2: now is get to the phone lines. Babo two. That
Speaker 2: is the number. If you want to give us a call,
Speaker 2: let's go to Brandon. Brandon, you're on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 3: What's up, hey, Dick? How's it going?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I get to catch bits and pieces of the show,
Speaker 4: not as much as I like, but just what I
Speaker 4: gather from listening to your show and then from talking
Speaker 4: to people here in town. It's just there's a there's
Speaker 4: tends to be a huge disconnect. But how between how
Speaker 4: good this team actually is even after watching the what
Speaker 4: we're three and two five games this year and the
Speaker 4: reality of what's on the field. And I heard a
Speaker 4: caller yesterday, for example, on your show talking about how
Speaker 4: Notre Dame's not that good and and you know how
Speaker 4: SMU is not that good. You know, I watch us
Speaker 4: and we weren't good enough. There was no doubt about
Speaker 4: which team was the better team on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're not that good, what are we? Right?
Speaker 4: That's exactly right? And this is just a mediocre team.
Speaker 4: You know, there are some nice pieces, but just kind
Speaker 4: of a debacle on defense, And the real story is
Speaker 4: just how bad the offensive line is. If we could
Speaker 4: block somebody, we might be at out score on but
Speaker 4: this offense is not going to move the ball consistently
Speaker 4: with that O line. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I could think Brandon of some
Speaker 2: wresol lines, like the Lamar Jackson line when he won
Speaker 2: the Heisman is still one of the craziest things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. But you know, this one, I feel like,
Speaker 2: despite despite their struggles, and you know, they lost Monroe
Speaker 2: Mills probably for a while so they got even worse,
Speaker 2: I still think you can you can. You can get
Speaker 2: past that, right, Like you can win some football games
Speaker 2: with with that offensive line because of your ability elsewhere
Speaker 2: receiver and your quarterback and Isaac Brown's a playmaker. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that is the weakness of the team.
Speaker 2: But you know, back to your point about SMU, you know,
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. I don't think I've come
Speaker 2: out and flat said it, but watching that game, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were pretty competitive, right, both team. We're
Speaker 2: neck and neck until the end. But no, I mean
Speaker 2: I think assume you you know, they were better and.
Speaker 4: That was humbley agreed. Now I just have to say too,
Speaker 4: as much as it pains me to say, we are
Speaker 4: this this wind streak that UK despite their mediocrity, which
Speaker 4: that's what they are. They've been a mediocre team. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't know that from living around here and hearing some
Speaker 4: of the people. But that's win streak's not going anywhere
Speaker 4: until we get better in the trenches.
Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, any different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to say that. And Brandon, I appreciate
Speaker 2: the phone call. Glad you were able to give us
Speaker 2: a call, and I appreciate you listening. I just can't
Speaker 2: come out and say unless Louisville's in a really bad
Speaker 2: situation like the Cragthorpe era the end of Bobby. I mean,
Speaker 2: I even found a way to get to you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I found I had to rely on the
Speaker 2: men's clinic because I had low tea when it comes
Speaker 2: to the rivalry. But like I even found a way
Speaker 2: with sadderfield here to you know, find a way to
Speaker 2: convey myself Mobil was going to potentially win. I mean
Speaker 2: I never knew. I knew deep down I didn't have
Speaker 2: the confidence, but like I would try to, you know,
Speaker 2: look at all kinds of different scenarios, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe we can win. And like you know, as soon
Speaker 2: as the game would start, I would think to myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's not happening. So I say all that to
Speaker 2: say I'm probably never gonna be like, yeah, that that
Speaker 2: streak's never ending. We're gonna always lose to Kentucky and
Speaker 2: I don't and to be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 2: believe that. But you're gonna have to do some things
Speaker 2: to really really neutralize that advantage they have in the trenches,
Speaker 2: because you know, their offensive line this year, I think
Speaker 2: they've kind of been I guess they've been good enough, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at how bad they were against
Speaker 2: South Carolina, but they they did just enough against Georgia.
Speaker 2: I mean, they did enough against Ole Miss. So you know,
Speaker 2: their old line I thought was a big question mark,
Speaker 2: but I guess they've actually gotten better. But defensively, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean when I watched Kentucky play, I think it
Speaker 2: was Old Miss. I just looked up and like looked
Speaker 2: at their front. Seven gigantic human beings out there, who
Speaker 2: you know, many of them will play in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long or where they'll be drafted,
Speaker 2: but they are, Like that's just a fact where they
Speaker 2: have an advantage that has really been hard for Louisville
Speaker 2: to overcome. I mean, last year, they could have easily
Speaker 2: overcome it. They just you know, and that's why last
Speaker 2: year is always going to be a salt to the wound,
Speaker 2: because you know, that was the year to do it.
Speaker 2: That was the year to just end the streak. And
Speaker 2: maybe because they are superior in the trenches, or at
Speaker 2: least have been, and they do a really good job
Speaker 2: of recruiting and developing linemen on both sides, like maybe
Speaker 2: they end up creating a new streak because of that.
Speaker 2: But last year it should have been broken and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: And it's still a nightmare to even think about, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. But you know, before Louisville lost
Speaker 2: to Notre Dame or to SMU and before Kentucky beat
Speaker 2: Ole Miss I mean, I still look at them from
Speaker 2: a physical standpoint up front, and they to myself, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, they clearly have an edge there and you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to and you can and you can overcome that.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of teams that that you know, they can
Speaker 2: they can scheme to neutralize, you know, a big weakness
Speaker 2: they have against an opponent. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: Louisville has. I mean, in fact, I do know at
Speaker 2: this point they haven't shown to be sharp everywhere else
Speaker 2: to where they can they could, you know, they could
Speaker 2: overcome that. And maybe that's a stretch to say they
Speaker 2: can't overcome it, but look, Kentucky take Louisville out of
Speaker 2: the equation. Kentucky's defense is really really good this year,
Speaker 2: and I don't think many teams are going to be
Speaker 2: able to just line up and run the ball against them.
Speaker 2: Louisville hasn't even been able to do that against the
Speaker 2: opponents they play that you know that aren't as physical
Speaker 2: as they are upfront. So when it comes to like expectations,
Speaker 2: you know, back to Brandon's point, like maybe this is
Speaker 2: just me being bullish and me being you know, maybe
Speaker 2: a homer to an extent, I do think that, like
Speaker 2: from a player's standpoint, like Louisville does have good another
Speaker 2: pieces to where they could compete towards the top of
Speaker 2: the ACC. Maybe that says more about the ACC than
Speaker 2: anything else. But still, like I don't think that they
Speaker 2: you know, they're again, offensive line is certainly a weakness,
Speaker 2: but even at this point, your offensive line could have
Speaker 2: played even worse than they've played up to this point.
Speaker 2: And if you just eliminate very avoidable mistakes, you probably
Speaker 2: win games. It would it, could have, should have, dodn't matter.
Speaker 2: And if you keep doing that continuously like they have
Speaker 2: the last few weeks, even though you know it's something
Speaker 2: that can easily be fixed, if it's not getting fixed,
Speaker 2: guess what, look in the mirror. That's who you are,
Speaker 2: that's your identity. It's like, man, I keep getting car recks. Man,
Speaker 2: just like if it wouldn't have been for that, you know,
Speaker 2: time I looked looked away and rear ended somebody, or
Speaker 2: if it wouldn't have been for that time you know,
Speaker 2: I ran off the road because I wasn't paying attention
Speaker 2: and flipped my car. Like if I could just not
Speaker 2: do that, i'd be a good driver. Well you know
Speaker 2: what you do it enough, you're a bad driver. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's fixable, but it's you know, it's it's part
Speaker 2: of who you are. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 2: great example, but you know there's and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of I guess you know, I hate even making
Speaker 2: this comparison because it's just it's a nightmare to think
Speaker 2: about but towards the end with with Bobby that last
Speaker 2: year before it got really really bad, like you you would,
Speaker 2: you'd still sit there and say like, hey, Virginia just
Speaker 2: beat us, you know, three to twenty three. I know
Speaker 2: they didn't do it because they got better players than us,
Speaker 2: But if you don't, like, none of that matters if
Speaker 2: you don't actually produce results. And I'm to the point
Speaker 2: now where if in fact, you know you you continue
Speaker 2: to struggle, which I hope they don't, but like, if
Speaker 2: they do, we can't say we like if we come
Speaker 2: if we come here on Saturday for the postgame show
Speaker 2: and we're talking about the same kind of stuff, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be infuriating, But can you say you're surprised. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to make it sound like I expect
Speaker 2: them to do those things, but again, you do it enough,
Speaker 2: it should become an expectation. So you know, when it
Speaker 2: comes to the players and the talent that I keep mentioning,
Speaker 2: and again I think some people hear that and think
Speaker 2: I'm acting like Louisvill's got talent comparable to Ohio State. No,
Speaker 2: but you're not losing because you don't have good players.
Speaker 2: You're losing because of little things, and you're not gonna
Speaker 2: be perfect and you're gonna have weakness. It's like your
Speaker 2: old line. But if Louisville somehow loses this weekend and
Speaker 2: they're sitting at three and three, one and two in
Speaker 2: the ACC, it won't matter that you feel good about
Speaker 2: the ability of certain guys on this team, like Isaac Brown,
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck, Jacory Brooks. It won't matter because if they're not,
Speaker 2: if it's not producing wins, then you know who cares.
Speaker 2: I mean good for those guys from an individual standpoint,
Speaker 2: And we'll never know because Jacory Brooks probably only going
Speaker 2: to be here one year. I don't think he has
Speaker 2: any left. Tyler Shuck, I mean, I don't think he
Speaker 2: can get an eighth year. But you never know. Isaac
Speaker 2: Brown's a freshman, and I'm already worried about him being poached.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it, like I'm already worried about
Speaker 2: like everybody realizing, oh yeah, that kid out of Miami,
Speaker 2: how do he get to Louisville. Let's not let's let's
Speaker 2: get him where we are in the AC or the
Speaker 2: sec of the Big ten, Like I don't know. I
Speaker 2: mean I hope that didn't happen, But like I'm I
Speaker 2: know where Louisville stands in the hierarchy of college football,
Speaker 2: and if there's an elite player that somebody wants, they
Speaker 2: might come and.
Speaker 5: Get so.
Speaker 2: I would hate to to never know, Like did we
Speaker 2: just think those guys were putting up good numbers on
Speaker 2: a mid to bad team, or did we really waste
Speaker 2: dudes who only played here one year that were really
Speaker 2: really talented. I think it's the latter, which would be
Speaker 2: a real bummer because I think Tyler Shuck's got a
Speaker 2: chance to play in the NFL. I do I know this,
Speaker 2: je Cory Brooks does, and Isaac Brown again, he's a freshman,
Speaker 2: but I mean, sky's the limbit for that guy, all
Speaker 2: right before we get to our first break here in
Speaker 2: the five o'clock hour. So for those who don't understand
Speaker 2: why I keep mentioning Rick Patino in the Vanderbilt football game,
Speaker 2: like I'm not just making some kind of a joke,
Speaker 2: Like he's confirmed that he will be flying in for
Speaker 2: the UK Vandy game this Saturday. He's going to be
Speaker 2: on the sidelines with coach Stoops. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that is here's his tweet, word for word. Yes, I'll
Speaker 2: be flying in for the UK Vandy game on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I'll be on the sidelines helping coach Stoops. I've got
Speaker 2: an unpopular opinion here when it comes or no way. Second,
Speaker 2: that's my notes here. I thought he said something else
Speaker 2: about about Stoops. Was it just one tweet?
Speaker 5: I think there was only one tweet unless I see
Speaker 5: the second.
Speaker 2: I thought he'd added something to like make the joke,
Speaker 2: because he's not really going to be on the sidelines, right, No,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so, because you know, he tries to
Speaker 2: get cute and funny on Twitter. Now, remember when he
Speaker 2: made that reference to something being stolen from his office
Speaker 2: and he had to retract it because he made a
Speaker 2: joke about somebody stealing like an insanely expensive bottle of wine.
Speaker 2: And like, Patino's never shown any real signs of being
Speaker 2: a real human until like the last few years. It's
Speaker 2: like nobody has a radar for like his sarcasm, right,
Speaker 2: like people you know, And yeah, it would make sense
Speaker 2: if there's a coach that would have one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars bottle of wine in his office at Saint John's.
Speaker 2: You know who it is. It's Rick Patino. But he
Speaker 2: later had to come out and like tell the cops
Speaker 2: and everybody publicly that yeah, they didn't steal any of
Speaker 2: that wine. I was making a joke, So I'm sure
Speaker 2: he's joking about the sidelines thing, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: But here's here's one thing I'll say before we get
Speaker 2: to a break. I understand why for Louisville fans it
Speaker 2: feels slimy because of all the reasons I've mentioned on
Speaker 2: all the reasons that you that you know, you don't
Speaker 2: even need me to mention it. He was our guy,
Speaker 2: and now he's going to hang out and love on
Speaker 2: the UK football program and his boy Pope's the coach
Speaker 2: for the basketball program, Like he's back to his roots.
Speaker 2: And whenever he was here embarrassing the program and the
Speaker 2: school for just you know, fornicating on a table at
Speaker 2: an Italian restaurant, I mean, we all know that happened,
Speaker 2: and imagine being a fan like, yeah, but that's my coach,
Speaker 2: and you know that's a that's a personal matter, not
Speaker 2: a you know, but like people fans did it right,
Speaker 2: he's your guy. You're gonna defend him. And we were
Speaker 2: defending him over some pretty uncomfortable stuff. Katita Pal's girls
Speaker 2: escorting to the ceiling. Andre McGee, We, I mean, like
Speaker 2: you know, we we were in the trenches taken.
Speaker 5: Can we say that? By the way, don't even dump that?
Speaker 2: She said it okay on KSR.
Speaker 5: I thought it got dumbed. I couldn't remember.
Speaker 2: I did you dump it? Dump it? I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, did okay? All right? So
Speaker 2: if you if you want to know what I I
Speaker 2: think you all know what I said. But if not,
Speaker 2: it'll be on the podcast, right, yes, of course. So
Speaker 2: you know, like Louisville fans had to defend this guy
Speaker 2: from the Kentucky fan base over some really uncomfortable things
Speaker 2: that really should never be back, like we gave them
Speaker 2: ammunition to make fun of Louisville. That now that I reflect, like,
Speaker 2: it's almost unbelievable of all the things that transpired while
Speaker 2: Rick was here, and now he's gonna go party with them.
Speaker 2: Like I get how you see it from that perspective,
Speaker 2: But I don't think Rick thinks about fans very much.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe when he went on the part of
Speaker 2: My Take show and talked about Kentucky fans being great.
Speaker 2: Like maybe that was an indirect jab at Louisville fans,
Speaker 2: But I don't think Rick thinks about fans, because I
Speaker 2: don't think Rick cares about fans. Rick Patino is the
Speaker 2: most unrelatable, self absorbed human being I've ever come across.
Speaker 2: Not an exaggeration, Like, I don't think he's thinking of
Speaker 2: ways to get Louisville fans upset, not because he loves us,
Speaker 2: because he doesn't care. He doesn't think about us. I
Speaker 2: don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, but like I don't don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's doing this to get under our
Speaker 2: skin because we're not worth that to him. I mean
Speaker 2: that so you know, although he was here for a
Speaker 2: long time, like and at that time he hated Kentucky
Speaker 2: because he hated Cali Perry, I guess he hated cal Perry,
Speaker 2: not really Kentucky. But think about it this way. He
Speaker 2: loved his time there. He even said it when he
Speaker 2: coached here. I mean it wasn't something he said often,
Speaker 2: but like his biggest regret was leaving Kentucky, and he
Speaker 2: cherished that program. He had a lot of great times there.
Speaker 2: He was great there. He was a made man. But
Speaker 2: then his real personal rival, John Caliperi, took over, and
Speaker 2: that made it weird, that made it uncomfortable. Now Cal's gone,
Speaker 2: Rick's at a new school, not the rival, and a
Speaker 2: guy who played basketball for Rick Patino w and won
Speaker 2: a national championship, his team captain from the ninety six
Speaker 2: team is now leading the UK program. As much as
Speaker 2: I mention him not really being a human being and
Speaker 2: having feelings, he is one. I know that. And he
Speaker 2: didn't have to have much, you know, of a heart
Speaker 2: to have that hit you in the fields, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. Like I think he's genuinely excited for Mark Pope.
Speaker 2: I think it's weird that he's friends with Eddie Grant
Speaker 2: and Mark Stoops, but whatever. Like now that he doesn't
Speaker 2: coach Louisville, and Louisville is the program that you know,
Speaker 2: deservedly so got rid of him, it makes sense for
Speaker 2: him to want of to latch onto them and not us.
Speaker 2: And you know, we can look at it as his
Speaker 2: loss if you want. But like I think, deep down
Speaker 2: Patino really is like always gonna love Kentucky because of
Speaker 2: his time there, and I think he loves Mark Pope
Speaker 2: and is happy that he's the coach the UK stuff. Again,
Speaker 2: I think it's and I think I in fact, I
Speaker 2: was told that it is due to like business stuff,
Speaker 2: like horse racing stuff as to how Patino and Mark
Speaker 2: Stoops know each other. But anyways, we're way too late
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Speaker 2: out with us here on a Tuesday afternoon. So, you know, John,
Speaker 2: yesterday we were talking about Indiana and their six and
Speaker 2: oh start and how it's just crazy to think that
Speaker 2: they've gotten off to such a good start, considering that,
Speaker 2: you know, even though they haven't beaten great teams yet,
Speaker 2: that a lot of Indiana teams haven't been able to
Speaker 2: do this. But I keep finding things that make it actually,
Speaker 2: you know not. I don't want to overdo it here,
Speaker 2: but there's only three teams that have not trailed in
Speaker 2: a game this season, and Indiana is one of them.
Speaker 2: So I hear that you know, they're they're not just
Speaker 2: getting by. And even if they were just getting by,
Speaker 2: it would still be awesome for Indiana fans to experience
Speaker 2: this because this is this is unfamiliar at least, you know,
Speaker 2: getting scoring early.
Speaker 5: They're outscoring teams in the first quarter, seventy seven and nothing.
Speaker 5: Damn that's insane.
Speaker 2: And you know what like that's that's a damn good
Speaker 2: coach is what that is? His guys are ready to
Speaker 2: play and the opponent has not been able to match
Speaker 2: them to start the game. That's what that tells me.
Speaker 2: And it reminds me of a of a very very
Speaker 2: impressive stat that you know, we can no longer we
Speaker 2: can no longer reference because the streak's over, and I
Speaker 2: think you might be starting a batch streak unless they
Speaker 2: get some things figured out on defense. But you remember
Speaker 2: when Louisville had the longest streak in college football for
Speaker 2: keeping their opponents from scoring a single point on the
Speaker 2: first drive of the game. That was something I used
Speaker 2: to bring I think it was after the Jacksonville State game.
Speaker 2: You know, you go back to I mean might have
Speaker 2: been sadderfields last year where they had not given up
Speaker 2: a single point in the opening drive. For however, many
Speaker 2: consecutive games, and obviously that's you know, that's changed and
Speaker 2: makes me sad. Did Indiana come in and steal all
Speaker 2: the mojo from louisvill football? Is that what happened here?
Speaker 5: I guess there can't be two good football programs within
Speaker 5: however many miles they are, I mean of each other.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this the quarterback where's he? Where'd
Speaker 5: he transfer from Ohio? And two years ago, not the
Speaker 5: previous season, but two seasons ago. He was the offensive
Speaker 5: player of the year in the Mack. He got injured
Speaker 5: last year, ended up not playing a full season, gotcha? Okay,
Speaker 5: So what happened to Trace Jackson? Davis's brother Tavin Jackson?
Speaker 5: He is the backup? Okay?
Speaker 2: So he's still there.
Speaker 5: Yes, he did not transfer out, gotcha? I mean, but
Speaker 5: Curtis Rourke has won season. This is his only season
Speaker 5: before he's done. So unless Signetti goes into the portal
Speaker 5: and get somebody else, which he might, he should, I mean,
Speaker 5: and Tevin Jackson will get the reins after that, and
Speaker 5: that knows.
Speaker 2: And that's why Like if you, I mean, if you,
Speaker 2: if you lose a gig, which he did, you know
Speaker 2: he was the starter last year and Signette brought in
Speaker 2: a transfer and now he's the backup. Doesn't mean he stinks,
Speaker 2: but like you know, he lost the job. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be hard for you to to to get it back,
Speaker 2: I think, because you could still win the job. But
Speaker 2: I just find this scenario to be unlikely one or two.
Speaker 2: One of these two things. They go out and get
Speaker 2: a quarterback in the portal that they really want and
Speaker 2: then that guy's not the guy, or they just decide, Okay, nope,
Speaker 2: this guy didn't play hardly any snaps this year because
Speaker 2: he was our backup. But we don't need a guy
Speaker 2: in the portal. This guy's ready because coaches they're gonna
Speaker 2: want to stock the position as best they can with
Speaker 2: a variety of options, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't see a scenario where he doesn't at least
Speaker 5: try to get somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe you know, he's already transferred from Tennessee, right, yes,
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe he's just content with, you know,
Speaker 2: being a part of the IU program and you know
Speaker 2: he's not playing, but they're winning.
Speaker 5: And he did jump in the portal after Tom Allen
Speaker 5: left initially but came back. So very interesting that he
Speaker 5: did decide to come back.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's from Indiana, right.
Speaker 5: He's from Greenwood, gotcha? All right?
Speaker 2: Some other stats for you when it comes to college
Speaker 2: football that that you know could be beneficial for you
Speaker 2: to know when it comes to making wagers. Kansas oh
Speaker 2: and six against the spread this year, they are the
Speaker 2: only yeah, they're the only power for program that is
Speaker 2: o and six against the spread. N C State and
Speaker 2: North Carolina they have not covered. However, they did have
Speaker 2: one push, so five and one for both n C
Speaker 2: State and North Carolina, which, by the way, this is
Speaker 2: a random stat that I'm sure you don't care about,
Speaker 2: but it is. It is a real reminder of how
Speaker 2: bad both those teams have become this year. Not only
Speaker 2: have have they not covered a game. Let me see,
Speaker 2: I can pull it up here. I just had it
Speaker 2: pulled up and again it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: my mind just got sidetracked here because it's not even that,
Speaker 2: it's not even that, Like I'm sure you guys don't
Speaker 2: care about NC State, Yeah, here is North Carolina and
Speaker 2: NC State again have not covered yet, but the they're
Speaker 2: combined zero to ten and two against the spread, and
Speaker 2: they failed to cover by ten points per game. So
Speaker 2: the sports books they can't they can't figure out these
Speaker 2: two teams. And you know what that means this late
Speaker 2: It could it could have already like the opportunity could
Speaker 2: have already passed. But man, that's that's a team that
Speaker 2: people should have been fading because when the books can't
Speaker 2: figure them out, like, that's when you know that like, hey,
Speaker 2: they're putting they're putting lines out there, not really thinking
Speaker 2: that this team is as bad as they're showing us.
Speaker 2: It's like, you can it's a sick and twisted thing
Speaker 2: to do if you think about it, or maybe you
Speaker 2: don't think about it that way because you know, we
Speaker 2: all know money matters and we like money, but you
Speaker 2: actually have you are probably more inclined to know how to,
Speaker 2: how to how to you know, make money from your
Speaker 2: team losing, right, because when Louisville was coached by Kinny
Speaker 2: Payne and when Louisville was coached by Bobby in the
Speaker 2: last year, and it's not about these guys specifically, it's
Speaker 2: just about like you know that they're they're still getting
Speaker 2: the brand bump, they're still getting a benefit of the
Speaker 2: doubt because they're Louisville and they're playing you know, Boston
Speaker 2: College and football or UNBC and basketball, and you realize, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we have better players probably, but man, like
Speaker 2: we're kind of a mess right now. We could easily
Speaker 2: not like I think that. I think this is free
Speaker 2: money essentially, and it works out that way. But when
Speaker 2: you get to like, I hate jumping on it this
Speaker 2: late because then I feel like, you know again, like
Speaker 2: as soon as I do, it's gonna not end up
Speaker 2: working out that way, like I'll be I'll have been
Speaker 2: too late. All right, Let's see, there's something I wanted
Speaker 2: to get into, but I'm gonna save it for tomorrow
Speaker 2: because when I have a who lot of time and
Speaker 2: it's and it's I don't want to, you know, make it,
Speaker 2: make it out to be some hue amongest thing that
Speaker 2: we need to discuss on the show that's going to
Speaker 2: be so important. But players parents have been getting upset
Speaker 2: on Twitter Louisville fans, Louisville parents of louis football players.
Speaker 2: At least three of them I've seen, have been tweeting
Speaker 2: out just that they're disappointed in the fans and they
Speaker 2: can't believe that, you know, they're already you know, down
Speaker 2: on the team, this and that, and you know, I
Speaker 2: just think I'll save it because it's it'll turn into
Speaker 2: a longer conversation. And it's not like I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like I've got some crazy, unheard of opinion
Speaker 2: on it. But like, there can't be two more unrelatable
Speaker 2: components to a college football program or even a college
Speaker 2: basketball program than an emotional fan and a parent of
Speaker 2: a player, Like you all shouldn't coexist together. Maybe in
Speaker 2: real life. You know, outside of basketball, you'd be great friends,
Speaker 2: you'd get along, but like you're you're not. It's not
Speaker 2: personal to you. So if a guy's out there making
Speaker 2: a bad play, you're going to say, what the hell
Speaker 2: you doing? Get it together? Well, if you say that
Speaker 2: on Twitter or maybe around a parent, like they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're gonna take it a certain way because that's their kid.
Speaker 2: I would do the same thing. Like I never understand why. Again,
Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want, but like, there can't
Speaker 2: be many parents on social media with their kids playing
Speaker 2: high level college sports where Twitter specifically has been a
Speaker 2: healthy experience for them. It wouldn't be for me. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean because you know, we're bad people, but
Speaker 2: like we're parents, it's our kids, and you know, now
Speaker 2: your kids are making money, and people are even less
Speaker 2: hesitant to just say, hey, you know, go make a
Speaker 2: play that's inexcusable. Maybe you know, go even further than
Speaker 2: that and say that they think or that they're bad
Speaker 2: and that's not nice. But again, like it's not personal,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a diehard sports fan. And then again,
Speaker 2: you know the parent is going to be looking at
Speaker 2: it from a different lens because again, it's their kid.
Speaker 2: How are you a fan if you're saying he made
Speaker 2: a bad play, it's not about him as a person,
Speaker 2: it's about him as a football player. You're thinking about
Speaker 2: your baby boy, Like, we cannot relate. There's no scenario
Speaker 2: we could coexist and it not be contentious because you know,
Speaker 2: it's your kid, and nobody reacting to the game is
Speaker 2: thinking about it from that standpoint. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: that like these players should be fair game and fans
Speaker 2: can call them names. I mean, don't be a disgusting
Speaker 2: human being. But like there's criticism, like for example, and
Speaker 2: his mother is one of the people that has expressed
Speaker 2: like frustration with fans. So like Ashton Julotte has been
Speaker 2: invincible this year a lot, right, and clearly he's being
Speaker 2: double teamed and other you know, the opponents are trying
Speaker 2: their best to really take him away as they should.
Speaker 2: But like that's led to a lot of fans and
Speaker 2: maybe some have been over the over the top, and
Speaker 2: in fact, I'm sure there have been some fans over
Speaker 2: the top about it. But like I think the parent
Speaker 2: of that young man, if you say, wow, he's really
Speaker 2: disappointed this year, what's happened? Like that's not a hot
Speaker 2: take like that, that's just facts, But like you are
Speaker 2: if there's one person I think at times you could
Speaker 2: be unable to be really objective about it's it's your kid.
Speaker 2: That's not to say that like you're gonna say that
Speaker 2: the best player in the world. Anybody that disagrees is wrong,
Speaker 2: But like an emotional fan, that's just you know, in
Speaker 2: the moment, gonna spout off something like you're gonna take
Speaker 2: it a certain way because you're a parent. And I
Speaker 2: just have never understood why parents of players like get
Speaker 2: in the weeds with fans on Twitter. And that's not
Speaker 2: to say that fans should just do what they're doing.
Speaker 2: If they're being nasty, but like stay away from it,
Speaker 2: like it can be good for anybody involved. All right,
Speaker 2: let's do this. We got not a lot of time left.
Speaker 2: We got a couple of callers on the line. Let's
Speaker 2: take our last break. We'll come back. You guys want
Speaker 2: to stick around, We'll get to you guys to finish
Speaker 2: up the show.
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Speaker 2: on the air. So let's go to Chris. Chris Brother,
Speaker 2: how you doing.
Speaker 6: I'm doing good. I just wanted to make a point.
Speaker 6: My son grew up playing football for Trinita High School,
Speaker 6: played for Bob Baby. Bob Baby made a quoke one time,
Speaker 6: he said that he won two state championship with some
Speaker 6: guys that ran five three forties. My point I want
Speaker 6: to make is some of these guys just fit into
Speaker 6: the right system with the right coaches, and I think
Speaker 6: with the nil My son plays football now at Hanover.
Speaker 6: We talked about that before, and they played against Butler,
Speaker 6: and Butler is five and old one right now, and
Speaker 6: Butler is not a football school. But the lady said
Speaker 6: something very interesting that Butler when we played against them.
Speaker 6: She said, We've got a lot of nil money. So
Speaker 6: now Butler, that is normally not a football school, are
Speaker 6: getting some really really good players from all around the country.
Speaker 6: So I think I think Brown's a heck of a coach.
Speaker 6: I think the defensive coach is a heck of a coach.
Speaker 6: But when you're dealing with my pass is an SMU fan,
Speaker 6: when you're dealing with these guys, they got big bank rolls,
Speaker 6: big nil money, and they're already a football state. I
Speaker 6: think we're not looking at the caliber of players that
Speaker 6: these people are able to get from lyingman to wie receiver.
Speaker 6: Because that kid that plays from SMU anywhere else, he's
Speaker 6: a starter and he's not a backup.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: And he came in after the guy got hurt.
Speaker 2: Yep. He was great, and Chris, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5: I got a run.
Speaker 2: But I think with the portal, you know, you could
Speaker 2: be a guy that doesn't look like one of the
Speaker 2: best guys available, but you know, what you might be
Speaker 2: the exact piece that this team needs to put themselves
Speaker 2: over the hump. You know, you and you can also
Speaker 2: go out and do really well in the portal on paper,
Speaker 2: but you know what, it just doesn't fit. It doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And that didn't mean really anybody did anything wrong. It
Speaker 2: just means, you know, it didn't fit, like he wasn't
Speaker 2: the right pieces. When you're putting all these new pieces
Speaker 2: together every year, I mean, you're gonna at times run
Speaker 2: into things that just you know, don't work out. All right, Mike,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 3: Man? I went to get some Winshill wipe ers today
Speaker 3: and I had Autos on on one side and Advance
Speaker 3: on the other, and I thought, my man has been
Speaker 3: hosed by one, so I went to the other to
Speaker 3: get my stuff.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, hell yeah, Mike. One at a time, Baby,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take him down.
Speaker 3: That's right. Next thing is I got to thinking about
Speaker 3: who's the most impressive team, like the best story this year,
Speaker 3: and it's got to be Indiana and college football, and
Speaker 3: then the most disappointing it has got to be Florida State.
Speaker 3: And then you know I was kind of doing that
Speaker 3: by each conference.
Speaker 2: But I would say, I would say that that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say that, And Mike, I appreciate the call,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your support as well, and I hate
Speaker 2: to cut you off. And we were almost at a time.
Speaker 2: But no, I think you're spot on. Florida State easily
Speaker 2: a top ten preseason. Now they are, They're a huge joke.
Speaker 2: And then Indiana, I mean, even though they haven't picked
Speaker 2: off like a marquee win, they're winning, which they don't
Speaker 2: you usually do, and they're winning big. So I think
Speaker 2: you're I think you're spot on.
Speaker 5: Have they already hit the over on their their total?
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly who I guarantee it they were
Speaker 5: five and a half or six and a half more
Speaker 5: than likely.
Speaker 2: No, there was no way it was six and a half.
Speaker 2: If it was six and a half, I'll buy you dinner,
Speaker 2: like because when's less than Indiana had a six and
Speaker 2: a half total, like they had three and a half
Speaker 2: last year, I think, yeah, so, I mean again, it
Speaker 2: makes it even more impressive. But I bet I bet
Speaker 2: in three or four years, if Signetti's still there, have
Speaker 2: you thought.
Speaker 5: About that's the year I know I've had the conversation.
Speaker 2: If he's still there, you know, six is going to
Speaker 2: be the minimum.
Speaker 5: If if if Lane Kiffen's not the guy for to
Speaker 5: replace Billy Napier. I do worry that Signetti will be
Speaker 5: who they target.
Speaker 2: If he keeps winning like that. I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked if that's on the table. Because the guy
Speaker 2: wins and doing it in Indiana like this. It's it's
Speaker 2: almost kind of like klen of Bor when he was
Speaker 2: winning it at Washington. Yeah, you go back and look,
Speaker 2: because you're not you're not that impressed when he's doing
Speaker 2: it at a lower level. But hey, he's got a
Speaker 2: formula and it's working no matter where he goes. And
Speaker 2: if people want to win, you know, and you've got
Speaker 2: good resources to go along with his formula, meaning money
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Like he'd be an
Speaker 2: obvious candidate for a big, big job. But we'll worry
Speaker 2: about that when we get there, because that I don't
Speaker 2: want to, you know, I don't want Indiana fans already worrying.
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that life though?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: Like this is great. Now we gotta worry about if
Speaker 2: he's gonna stick around. Like it's it's a good problem
Speaker 2: to have though, because that means he's winning. All Right,
Speaker 2: you guys, have a good day. We'll talk to you
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