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Speaker 3: Actually it's funny.
Speaker 2: I am. I got a call a couple of weeks
ago from a woman. I was actually at the American
Veteran Medical Association trade show in Chicago and I get
this call, and this woman is researching an article for
the Hollywood Reporter. They were doing an entire issue on
celebrities and their pets, which is really great because it
sort of brings light in the fact that how common
and popular pets are.
Speaker 3: So it was fun. So we talked about it.
Speaker 2: And they had gotten my name, I guess from some
of the Celebrits that interviewed, and so we talked to
reachatted for oh, I don't know about maybe twenty minutes.
We talked about some of the celebs, and I don't
like to really talk much about them. I think there's
a certain element of privacy that they kind of want
to keep and I respect that. But you know, she
did get my name from one of them, so it
actually worked out pretty well. Then I said, just don't
make it enough. If you want to write about it,
that's great, just don't make it too cheesy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it was. I think it was pretty well done.
Speaker 2: If you want to go read it for yourselves, you
can go on to Hollywood Reporter dot com and in
the search bar just put in Jeff Werber and it
was an icoc Judy Greer on the front. And I'm
sure when you see her, she's done tons of TV
and tons of movies and she's great. She's got an amazing,
huge American bulldog named Buckley. And you know, it's so
cute because as I often say, as opposed to kids
going to the pediatrician and hating it, I mean sometimes
I'll walk into a room with a white you know
smock a you know, a white lap coat, and I
set the scope crape around my neck and if there's
a little kid that they start crying and even though
I'm not even there for them. And uh, and yet
the dogs will see me and they'll come charging up
and jump up on me and give me major tongue
and I said, it's really foot Well, Buckley is one
of those dogs. He loves coming in here. And uh,
you know it's fun because I always say, there's no
better pr than having a walking a doctor walking out
into a busy waiting room and having the dogs just
absolutely jump all over. I said, that is the best
thing in the world. And and that's you know what
we get. I say, I say, the vast majority of
my patients love coming in, which is great. So anyway,
it was a fun article. Talked about some of the celebs,
and clearly there are some names that they she didn't
mention that she had, so I know they must fact
check them, and they must call some of these celebs
and say, you know, would you mind if And I'm
sure there were a few that said no, because there
were some nice, nice names I had in there. But
you know what, they didn't mention it. I'm not going
to mention it, but you know, well, you know one
of the things, and a point I made to her
was this that it's pretty hard to practice in Los Angeles,
in Beverly Hills, you know, in Hollywood and not have
celebrities come in your door. So I hate when they
use them, you know, the monik or the celebrity vet,
because it's really not accurate because there are so many
you know, veterinarians here that do have celebrities come in
their door.
Speaker 3: So it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: But you know, it is fun because it was one
celebrity that walked in, and you know, we're talking major celebs.
They're not made up. They kind of fit right into
a crowd. And this particular one actually did fit in
pretty well into the crowd. And I obviously recognize you
right away.
Speaker 3: I knew who she was.
Speaker 2: And she had a dog, a little Shihuahua, and she
was checking for pregnant. See, the dogs had bread. They
actually didn't really want to breed her. They were waiting
to have her fixed. And they missed the boat, and
so there was some concern whether or not she was bred,
so she was here for a ultrasound and sure enough
the mail he had what it took because she was pregnant.
So there is one of my technicians who was actually
a veterinarian from Argentina, and he was here spending a
few years with me going through the very long, arduous
process to get licensed in the United States.
Speaker 3: And he's very good.
Speaker 2: He practiced in Argentina for like seven years. I mean truly,
he knew what he was doing. He was a really
good veterinarian already, and I go just going through the
motions and getting some more training and some surgery. He
didn't do as much surgery as we do as a
general practitioner in Argentina. So he's helping me doing the ultrasound,
and he is standing literally right next to and holding
the dog for the ultrasound of this particular celeb and
at the end, I guess as soon as she opened
her mouth and started asking me questions, she definitely has
a certain recognizable call it a raspiness to her voice,
and he like had an expression on his face like
holy cow, I am standing right next to this person,
and it was really really amusing. And so when she left.
He says to me, He goes, doctor Werber, how come
you didn't tell me? And I said, well, I didn't
think it was something I really needed to share. I
just you know, she was here helping us, and she
wanted to be in the room while she had her
the ultrasound done. So anyway, I just thought it was
really really comical. Anyway, it's a nice article. If you
want to go online, it's the Hollywood Reporter dot com.
Search bar, throw in Jeff Werber and you'll kind of
read have a little fun. So if you remember last week,
I think I mentioned about this one dog we did
this splenectomy on and it was touch and go for
a while. Unfortunately did come back as a cancer. So
we at this point we know we're kind of sitting
on a time bomb. But I have to tell you
the she was really slow getting back on her feet
in the sense of getting that rebound effect that now
that the source of the blood loss has been removed,
that we need to see a response by the bone
of making new red blood cells. And I've seen those
early as three days, maybe five days, and this dog
actually was still losing some of the red cells. And
I'm thinking now my god off because this tumor, maybe
the dog is already going through some immune changes and
started to eat up her own red blood cells, which
would be a total different disease that we'd have to
deal with. And they called me on Sunday night and
told me that she's really kind of still weak. And
mind you, surgery was on Thursday and Friday and Saturday Sunday.
It was only three days. But I told her, I said,
look it could take you know, three is early. I
tell people usually five to seven days.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: She called me Sunday night, very very concerned. I said,
I'll tell you what. I want you to be at
my office first thing in the morning. I'm going to
have my text. I'll call ahead, have them to do.
It's called a PCV, a packed sell volume, which a
little blood count to see kind of where we're at.
And I get in the morning and I rushed and
I said, has Lola been brought up in yet? And
they go, no, she's not here yet. I was saying,
oh my god, am I going now? I'm taking the worst.
Something happened at night. Maybe they have to rush her
back to an emergency. So all of a sudden we're
asking around. I'm about to pick up the phone to
call her, and one of my receptionist said, oh, Lola's
up front. So I walk out, and I'm telling you,
it's like a new dog. I mean, whatever was kicking
in it obviously kicked in sometime during the night, because
in the morning she got up, she met the owners
of the door.
Speaker 3: She wanted her walk.
Speaker 2: Her gouvernments were nice and pink again, and I knew
that she was going to ultimately have this response because
what we do is remeasure something called a reticulous site count.
A reticulous site count are a sort of baby immature
red blood cells that the bone marrow is kicking out
in response to the severe anemia. The body recognizes the
blood loss. The body recognizes that there are not enough
red cells to keep all the bodily functions happy. Remember,
red cells carry oxygen, so they're extremely important. And when
we have a lack or low count of low red
cell count, we have what's called anemia.
Speaker 3: And with anemia.
Speaker 2: Usually comes sluggishness, depression inappetins. Why because these dogs just
don't have any energy because the red cells are not
carrying enough oxygen for the key organs like the brain,
like the liver, like the pancreas, like the digestive tract,
et cetera. In a sense, the body kind of goes
into shock. So it's so critically important to have enough
red cells. So when we took blood two days after
the surgery, we saw that there was a very high,
ridiculous site count, So we know that there were plenty
of baby cells out there. We know that the body
was reading the fact and responding to the fact that
we had this anemia from the surgery and the blood
loss and the bleeding spleen, but it had not yet
reflected on the red cell count.
Speaker 3: So anyway, it happened. This dog was great.
Speaker 2: The pack cell iem count went up like six points
five points in one day. It was just fascinating. And
so it worked really, really well. And anyway, this dog
is great, and you know these are the happy ending stories. Obviously,
long term, this dog is gonna probably go before it's
time because it was tumor, and this particular tumor, called
hamangio sarcoma will spread, has a tendency to spread to
the liver and to the lungs. But in the meantime,
we're gonna do some chemo. The dog is doing great.
We bought this dog a decent amount of time and
I'm just so thrilled to be a part of that.
And you know, I often tell clients, I'm the first
to admit, you know, be doing this for a long
time and I love it. But on the first and
I don't kid myself. And as I often tell a
client that the vast majority of our patients that we
treat are getting well in spite of us, not necessarily
because of us.
Speaker 3: You know, there's I might be the.
Speaker 2: Vehicle through which we provide that supportive care, the vehicle
through which we you know, can give some of the medication,
but ultimately it's the body that's taken care of itself.
There's sometimes it needs little more time, and during that
time we have But it wasn't like my direct hand
that saved the life. But when you have a bleeding tumor,
when you have a humongous mass, things like this that
are going on. When you remove something through some amazing surgery,
or you put an animal back together that was badly
mangled or hit by a car or something, you fix
those broken ribs, you fix that diaphragm, etc. That's what
makes this all so much fun. That's what makes it
so great. So when you get a case that you
can truly like look in the mirror and say, if
it were not for me, that this pet wouldn't be here,
it's just a great feeling. And when I'm thinking about Lola,
it's one of those cases where I know that we
had a good hand and helping her along, and just
to see how getting her energy back and how she's
responding to the kids and how the kids are responding
to her, that's what makes it all just so worth it.
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Jeff Here on pet Life Radio.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, doctor Jeff Werber.
Speaker 2: As these thirty minutes now down to fifteen, goes so quickly,
and before the break, I had mentioned that I got
an email from a listener and it's great, and she'm wright.
She starts off by it I'm a new listener. I
love to hear that. So anyone that you know that's new,
old and different, whatever, we want them to tuning in
to ask the beasts of doctor Jeff Here on pet
Life Radio. And as I said, this is a really
interesting question and I want to share it with you
because that way, hopefully you'll learn from the answer I
gave her. And you know, I'm still old fashioned, as
you can tell by my talking NonStop here on a
radio show.
Speaker 3: I love to talk.
Speaker 2: So when give me the opportunity to talk to somebody,
either in person or on a phone, I much rather
do that than start texting and answering back and forth
with email.
Speaker 3: I don't have time for that.
Speaker 2: I am so much more efficient and so much faster,
and that's why I talk so fast. If you could
just give me a call and we'll talk on the phone.
So I'm going new listener, I have two one year
old tuxedo cats, and I have a couple of questions.
I call in, but I'm not sure your shows are
currently live, which they are, and I'm in work when
they're on. Anyway, so I was a bit worried about
my male cat. He's always had some quirky behavior, so
it's hard to judge, but his nose looked a bit
pale to me. I had two tuxedos many years ago,
the female lead, which I adopted a few years after
the male. The female went blind within the first year
I had her. Her blood was like kool aid ah,
the very thin blood that means anemia. She was in pain,
and I had her late to rest without the minimal
satisfaction of knowing what made her so ill. And I
feel terribly about case like that because I think we've
learned so much more, and I think there when you
don't get answers from a GP, if your GP doesn't know,
the worst thing that they can do is nothing.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 2: You get answers, you learn, you read, you go to
continue education, and you know how to handle this. I
can almost give guarantee that this was a blood parasite,
which is very, very common in cats. It's a hema
bartella called feline infectious anemia. And I haven't even met
this cat, and as soon as I hear a young
cat with kool aid blood, that's the first thing that
comes to mind. And it is treatable to a degree.
It is certainly diagnosable. And so when things aren't done
and the veteran just doesn't know what to do and
doesn't refer this cat to a specialist, it just irks me.
It kills me because I feel so badly for both
the owner and of course for Lee the cat. So
the show was later told by another vat that it
could have been FeLV and I would buy it. That's
also a possibility, since I adopted her from a rescue
organization that had her vaccinated. Luckily, my male cat, Tie
didn't contract it and lived until seventeen and a half
years old. That's fantastic. I'm not sure what he died
of either, though the Simpsons were not the same, so
I'm sure that it was. When you lift to seventeen,
you know, it could be just good old old age,
and that's a blessing. Again, I get very philosophical old age.
I'm definitely a glass half full person. I'm not looking
at wondering why, at seventeen and a half, what went wrong?
I'm saying, holy cow, seventeen and a half, that's fantastic.
And you know I think that right then and there,
you should just feel blessed that you have a cat
that made it that long. Anyway, with the two one
year old male and female tuxied as I currently have,
I was worried about the male having FBLV, as he
seemed a bit tired recently, lacking appetite a bit, and
his nose looked pretty pale for a while. They're both
from separate litters, and the animal hospital I adopted the
female from tested all of her siblings, and I decided
the whole litter was FVLV negative. The male, however, has
more of a mystery for his history and no siblings
they were aware of when they found him, so he
could be a solo cat. When I inquired the other day,
I was told by one of the animal hospitals that
the flav was a separate test from the FBRCP, and
I'll talk about that in a minute. Considering FFLV is
very contagious and deadly from what I've read, why is
it not only a separate vaccination.
Speaker 3: I think that's what she meant when she said.
Speaker 2: Tests, But why do I find that I'm not told
of this given the option of having the test and
or vaccination done so I can make an informed decision
rather than take such a risk. Any help you could
give would be appreciated. Thank you. And her name is
Lashawan And so here is the point. First of all,
once should realize that when you're adopting cats or kittens,
it's very important, especially if you have other cats in
the household.
Speaker 3: So know as best you can.
Speaker 2: And I'll specify what I mean by that, whether or
not the FLV and f ELV negative excuse me, FLV
and FIV negative, that's feline leukemia virus and the FIV
is feline immuno deficiency virus. So FIV is more like HIV.
It's feline immuno deficiency and the leukemia virus is also
a virus. It's an RNA virus that seems to create
immuno deficiency as well. We used to say that it
was the closest thing to the human HIV until FIV
was discovered. And FIV is even closer than f ELV
to the human immuno deficiency the HIV virus. So one
thing that we knows that there's no vaccine and certainly
one that I would recommend that combines the f VRCP,
which is the feline vaccine for rhino tracheitis, calisi virus,
and pan leukopenia. That's the f VRCP, that's your basic
cat vaccine which takes care of most of the upper respiratories,
and pan luke which is cat fever.
Speaker 3: To that many.
Speaker 2: That's add one to that which we do, and that
is the numiniitis vaccine. So it's the f VRCP slash
P and E for dhuminitis and that is also an
upper respiratory infection that's actually caused by a bacterium as
opposed to a virus. And that's the basic core vaccine
in an area. Because these are often air deceptible, I
recommend at least as kittens getting these shots. Now, when
you think about rabies and leukemia, unfortunately there is no
really approved good vaccine for FIV, but there certainly is
a vaccine for f e LV. That is a vaccine
that we recommend for cats that are at risk. Now,
what do I mean by that your typical indoor cat,
or an indoor cat that goes out for walks on
a harness, that goes outside into a covered patio or
screened in patio.
Speaker 3: To me, that's not at risk.
Speaker 2: And I don't believe that these cats should be given
randomly given leukemia vaccines unless there are other cats in
this cat's household that do truly go outdoors. So not
only should they, of course be vaccinated, but in those circumstances,
I would also vaccinate the other indoor cats that may
be associated with that one or two outdoor cats. Now
the rabies depending on where you live. In certain states
it is required even for completely one hundred percent indoor cats.
Since my feeling is that an indoor cat is not
going to get rabies. It's very unlikely that it's going
to be mingling, playing with a rabid bat, raccoon, square,
you name it, so it's unlikely they need the vaccine.
And I'm one of these guys that feels that less
is more when it comes to vaccines. There are many
out there experts that truly believe as well that if
you have an indoor cat and it's been healthy, that
after certain age, maybe five or six. There's some out
there that believe that cats don't need any more vaccines
at all because by that age their immune systems are
pretty well developed. I'm a little nervous about that one.
There are some tests that you can do called tighters
to measure existing antibody for the diseases you're going to
be protecting against via the vaccine. See if there's still
ample immunity antibody protection, and if there is, don't vaccinate,
And if there isn't, then you go ahead and vaccinate.
So I think that's a logical choice. But now when
it comes to leukemia test, and this is where I
think Lashawan maybe was given not wrong information, but it
wasn't clear enough. When you have a cat that's under
sixteen weeks of age, I don't know if I would
trust the Lukemi test now. If you have no other
cats at home and the kitten is acting totally perfect,
I'd wait wait till they're four months of age. That way,
you'll more likely yield an accurate result. If there are
other cats in the house and you are worried, even
though the cat holding a bat me I would go
ahead and test. Now if the test is positive. First
of all, not a death sends. Don't panic, but I
would one hundred percent keep this new kiddie away from
the other cats. No grooming each other, no sharing food
or water bowls, no playing, no.
Speaker 3: Salive, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: If the test is negative, it means that for now,
on the day of this test, we are negative. I
would still recommend a follow up test once the kitty
turns four months or four and a half months of age.
In other words, I trust a test done after four months,
but I don't trust a test if it's before four months.
So I think that's important to know. So make sure
when it comes to things like this, you need to
talk to yourternarian to really have a game plan. What's
the lifestyle of the cat going to be, where do
you live, do you live in the country, do you
live in the city, what's the situation of other diseases
in that area.
Speaker 3: These are all the little.
Speaker 2: Things that we really need to be responsible about, and
no answers, because we need to help you decide and
you need to know what are the best vaccines to
give that cat, that kitten, which tests to do, What
are the circumstances, when, what, where, when and how, and
that's what it all boils down to. So I just
don't want to I definitely want to thank Lahan. We
are going to send Lashan out a free gift from
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any of you that give us a call, any of
you that send me an email with a question, I
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your participation.
Speaker 2: And you're calling us here at pet Life Radio as
the Vet's with doctor Jeff. So other than that, I
hope you guys are braving the summer. I have, interestingly,
I've had two cases of rattlesnake bites because a lot
of our clients will hike into the hill. I've had
fortunately no cases yet, and I should knock on wood
this year of heatstroke. I think, you know, the more
we get out there, the more we educate the masses
about the dangers of the high temperatures, the heat stroke,
and the dangers of exercising your pets during the middle
of the day, the dangers of leaving them outside without water,
ample water and shade. The dangers of leaving them in cars,
even if you run inside to drop something off at
a friend's house for three minutes, how dangerous that could be.
So we have had much more responsible pet owners out
there that are really doing a bang up job keeping
their pets healthy. The toughest thing we have is the
pet that gets overheated. Even here in the hospital. You
know a lot of times coming out of surgery have
a I would never call it a specialty, but I
do see a lot of bulldogs.
Speaker 3: I see the Old.
Speaker 2: English, English, frenchy American, and a lot of these what
we call breaky cephalic breeds. These are breeds like the
sheets soon, the lass, and the pug, and the Japanese
chin and you name it. The peaks that have these
pushed in little squished in faces. They definitely have a
tougher time recovering from anesthesia. They have that natural difficulty
when it comes to air exchange. And you need to
be very cautious. And this is for the veterinarians out
there and you as pet owners. Don't be shy. Don't
be embarrassed to ask the staff at your veterinary hospital
do they are they aware of some of the intricacies
and nuances in treating these short faced breeds. And that's
how I ended up with so many bulldogs as patients
because I am a frenchy owner myself and I have
two of them.
Speaker 3: And these are the things you need to know.
Speaker 2: We need to leave that in trachual tube in longer
than they would for a regular dog. We want that
dog almost almost looking at you and saying, okay, Doc,
you can take the tube out now, because if you
take it out too early and they're on their side
and they're very relaxed, with those elongated soft pallets they have,
can literally literally go and n oxig on you, and
that means they can stop breathing. So then the more
they pant and the more they the harder they work,
the temperature goes up. The hotter that they get, the
more they work, the harder they work. It's a vicious
cycle all because some simple precautionary measures weren't taken initially
coming out of anesthesia. So make sure that you can
ask people all the time. When I'm doing greyhounds, for example,
or any dog that has you know something a little
a quirk when it comes to a surgical procedure. When
it comes to anesthesia, ask me, now, doctor, have you
worked on these before? Because you know, I'm told I
read that they have such such problem. It is not
an unfair question to ask your doctor. And even if
the doctor is going to get online and learn about
it pretty quickly, or he's going to say yes, oh no,
we see them all the time, I'm fully aware, or
he might say no, god, no, I didn't know about
this and maybe you should have a specialist to this procedure. So,
wherever the case may be, it's a lot worse, I think,
and you know a lot of that in aarrans are
so free to do that. They're afraid to say, you know,
I'm not sure and they think that. What gets veterinarians
in trouble, in my book, is they do know what
they know, and they do know what they don't know.
It's not knowing what they don't know. In other words,
they think they know it, they think they have the answer,
yet they're way out in left field. They are not
even close. And that's when the problems erupt is when
they thought they knew and didn't know. Better to know
for sure what you know, and know for sure what
you don't know. If you know you don't know it.
You refer if you know it, you do it. But
when you don't know what you don't know and you
try it and it fails everywhere to lose lose anyway,
Our time is just about up. I want to thank
you all for tuning in with me here at Askabet,
but doctor Jeff here on pet Life Radio. I will
be back with you next Thursday, once again the number.
Don't lose it call me at the early at the
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