1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: And welcome, Welcome to another episode of Ask the Bets 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,440 with Doctor Jeff. I am your host, Doctor Jeff Werber, 4 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,479 here with you for thirty minutes and it goes fast, 5 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,719 so we want you to call in. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: I'm here to. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,039 Speaker 2: Help you with your pets, answer your questions, talk about 8 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,320 anything you want to talk about your pets, and that 9 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:43,240 number is eight seven seven three eight five eight eight 10 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:45,640 eight two. You can also just send me a quick 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:49,320 text to doctor Jeff Dr Jeff at petlifradio dot com. 12 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:53,640 And we are on petlifradio dot com. And just of 13 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,679 course want to thank our sponsors, pro Sense Pet Products 14 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:58,439 and just you know, coming off a good week. 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: Actually it's funny. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,159 Speaker 2: I am. I got a call a couple of weeks 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,520 ago from a woman. I was actually at the American 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,840 Veteran Medical Association trade show in Chicago and I get 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,439 this call, and this woman is researching an article for 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,000 the Hollywood Reporter. They were doing an entire issue on 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,040 celebrities and their pets, which is really great because it 22 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:19,959 sort of brings light in the fact that how common 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,439 and popular pets are. 24 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: So it was fun. So we talked about it. 25 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: And they had gotten my name, I guess from some 26 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:28,879 of the Celebrits that interviewed, and so we talked to 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,040 reachatted for oh, I don't know about maybe twenty minutes. 28 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,719 We talked about some of the celebs, and I don't 29 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,439 like to really talk much about them. I think there's 30 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,640 a certain element of privacy that they kind of want 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,040 to keep and I respect that. But you know, she 32 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:43,760 did get my name from one of them, so it 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,920 actually worked out pretty well. Then I said, just don't 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,239 make it enough. If you want to write about it, 35 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:48,799 that's great, just don't make it too cheesy. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,959 Speaker 3: Anyway, it was. I think it was pretty well done. 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,439 Speaker 2: If you want to go read it for yourselves, you 38 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:54,879 can go on to Hollywood Reporter dot com and in 39 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,640 the search bar just put in Jeff Werber and it 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,359 was an icoc Judy Greer on the front. And I'm 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,120 sure when you see her, she's done tons of TV 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,239 and tons of movies and she's great. She's got an amazing, 43 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,840 huge American bulldog named Buckley. And you know, it's so 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,360 cute because as I often say, as opposed to kids 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,479 going to the pediatrician and hating it, I mean sometimes 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,919 I'll walk into a room with a white you know 47 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:19,919 smock a you know, a white lap coat, and I 48 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,639 set the scope crape around my neck and if there's 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,719 a little kid that they start crying and even though 50 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:25,960 I'm not even there for them. And uh, and yet 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,199 the dogs will see me and they'll come charging up 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,639 and jump up on me and give me major tongue 53 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:32,879 and I said, it's really foot Well, Buckley is one 54 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,520 of those dogs. He loves coming in here. And uh, 55 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,120 you know it's fun because I always say, there's no 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,759 better pr than having a walking a doctor walking out 57 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,479 into a busy waiting room and having the dogs just 58 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:49,400 absolutely jump all over. I said, that is the best 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,479 thing in the world. And and that's you know what 60 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,800 we get. I say, I say, the vast majority of 61 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,439 my patients love coming in, which is great. So anyway, 62 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,599 it was a fun article. Talked about some of the celebs, 63 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,039 and clearly there are some names that they she didn't 64 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,639 mention that she had, so I know they must fact 65 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,000 check them, and they must call some of these celebs 66 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,840 and say, you know, would you mind if And I'm 67 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:11,840 sure there were a few that said no, because there 68 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,960 were some nice, nice names I had in there. But 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,039 you know what, they didn't mention it. I'm not going 70 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,840 to mention it, but you know, well, you know one 71 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,240 of the things, and a point I made to her 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,280 was this that it's pretty hard to practice in Los Angeles, 73 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560 in Beverly Hills, you know, in Hollywood and not have 74 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,560 celebrities come in your door. So I hate when they 75 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,960 use them, you know, the monik or the celebrity vet, 76 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,840 because it's really not accurate because there are so many 77 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 you know, veterinarians here that do have celebrities come in 78 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,199 their door. 79 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,759 Speaker 3: So it's not a big deal. 80 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: But you know, it is fun because it was one 81 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,039 celebrity that walked in, and you know, we're talking major celebs. 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,159 They're not made up. They kind of fit right into 83 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:51,879 a crowd. And this particular one actually did fit in 84 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,520 pretty well into the crowd. And I obviously recognize you 85 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:54,919 right away. 86 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:55,639 Speaker 3: I knew who she was. 87 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: And she had a dog, a little Shihuahua, and she 88 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,560 was checking for pregnant. See, the dogs had bread. They 89 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,800 actually didn't really want to breed her. They were waiting 90 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,000 to have her fixed. And they missed the boat, and 91 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,120 so there was some concern whether or not she was bred, 92 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,719 so she was here for a ultrasound and sure enough 93 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,800 the mail he had what it took because she was pregnant. 94 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,959 So there is one of my technicians who was actually 95 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,959 a veterinarian from Argentina, and he was here spending a 96 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,040 few years with me going through the very long, arduous 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,639 process to get licensed in the United States. 98 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,079 Speaker 3: And he's very good. 99 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,959 Speaker 2: He practiced in Argentina for like seven years. I mean truly, 100 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,759 he knew what he was doing. He was a really 101 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:37,639 good veterinarian already, and I go just going through the 102 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,360 motions and getting some more training and some surgery. He 103 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:42,399 didn't do as much surgery as we do as a 104 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,480 general practitioner in Argentina. So he's helping me doing the ultrasound, 105 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,839 and he is standing literally right next to and holding 106 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,680 the dog for the ultrasound of this particular celeb and 107 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:57,800 at the end, I guess as soon as she opened 108 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,040 her mouth and started asking me questions, she definitely has 109 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,720 a certain recognizable call it a raspiness to her voice, 110 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:08,720 and he like had an expression on his face like 111 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:13,000 holy cow, I am standing right next to this person, 112 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,920 and it was really really amusing. And so when she left. 113 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,800 He says to me, He goes, doctor Werber, how come 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,079 you didn't tell me? And I said, well, I didn't 115 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,680 think it was something I really needed to share. I 116 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:25,000 just you know, she was here helping us, and she 117 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:27,480 wanted to be in the room while she had her 118 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:30,399 the ultrasound done. So anyway, I just thought it was 119 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:33,279 really really comical. Anyway, it's a nice article. If you 120 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:36,959 want to go online, it's the Hollywood Reporter dot com. 121 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,199 Search bar, throw in Jeff Werber and you'll kind of 122 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,759 read have a little fun. So if you remember last week, 123 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,480 I think I mentioned about this one dog we did 124 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,240 this splenectomy on and it was touch and go for 125 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,920 a while. Unfortunately did come back as a cancer. So 126 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,879 we at this point we know we're kind of sitting 127 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:56,839 on a time bomb. But I have to tell you 128 00:05:56,959 --> 00:06:01,240 the she was really slow getting back on her feet 129 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:04,839 in the sense of getting that rebound effect that now 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,079 that the source of the blood loss has been removed, 131 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,120 that we need to see a response by the bone 132 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,839 of making new red blood cells. And I've seen those 133 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:17,720 early as three days, maybe five days, and this dog 134 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,160 actually was still losing some of the red cells. And 135 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,399 I'm thinking now my god off because this tumor, maybe 136 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,720 the dog is already going through some immune changes and 137 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,199 started to eat up her own red blood cells, which 138 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:32,439 would be a total different disease that we'd have to 139 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,879 deal with. And they called me on Sunday night and 140 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,800 told me that she's really kind of still weak. And 141 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,680 mind you, surgery was on Thursday and Friday and Saturday Sunday. 142 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,120 It was only three days. But I told her, I said, 143 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,000 look it could take you know, three is early. I 144 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,199 tell people usually five to seven days. 145 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: So whatever. 146 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: She called me Sunday night, very very concerned. I said, 147 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:56,199 I'll tell you what. I want you to be at 148 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,959 my office first thing in the morning. I'm going to 149 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,160 have my text. I'll call ahead, have them to do. 150 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,160 It's called a PCV, a packed sell volume, which a 151 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,360 little blood count to see kind of where we're at. 152 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:05,920 And I get in the morning and I rushed and 153 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,399 I said, has Lola been brought up in yet? And 154 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:09,120 they go, no, she's not here yet. I was saying, 155 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,920 oh my god, am I going now? I'm taking the worst. 156 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Something happened at night. Maybe they have to rush her 157 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,319 back to an emergency. So all of a sudden we're 158 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,199 asking around. I'm about to pick up the phone to 159 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,800 call her, and one of my receptionist said, oh, Lola's 160 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:22,240 up front. So I walk out, and I'm telling you, 161 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:25,399 it's like a new dog. I mean, whatever was kicking 162 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:29,240 in it obviously kicked in sometime during the night, because 163 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:31,800 in the morning she got up, she met the owners 164 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,160 of the door. 165 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,279 Speaker 3: She wanted her walk. 166 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: Her gouvernments were nice and pink again, and I knew 167 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,360 that she was going to ultimately have this response because 168 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,560 what we do is remeasure something called a reticulous site count. 169 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,639 A reticulous site count are a sort of baby immature 170 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,319 red blood cells that the bone marrow is kicking out 171 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,199 in response to the severe anemia. The body recognizes the 172 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,360 blood loss. The body recognizes that there are not enough 173 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,240 red cells to keep all the bodily functions happy. Remember, 174 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,639 red cells carry oxygen, so they're extremely important. And when 175 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,560 we have a lack or low count of low red 176 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,399 cell count, we have what's called anemia. 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: And with anemia. 178 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: Usually comes sluggishness, depression inappetins. Why because these dogs just 179 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,720 don't have any energy because the red cells are not 180 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,120 carrying enough oxygen for the key organs like the brain, 181 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:26,680 like the liver, like the pancreas, like the digestive tract, 182 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,279 et cetera. In a sense, the body kind of goes 183 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,959 into shock. So it's so critically important to have enough 184 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:34,080 red cells. So when we took blood two days after 185 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,120 the surgery, we saw that there was a very high, 186 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,480 ridiculous site count, So we know that there were plenty 187 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:44,399 of baby cells out there. We know that the body 188 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,279 was reading the fact and responding to the fact that 189 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,799 we had this anemia from the surgery and the blood 190 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,559 loss and the bleeding spleen, but it had not yet 191 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,399 reflected on the red cell count. 192 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,759 Speaker 3: So anyway, it happened. This dog was great. 193 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: The pack cell iem count went up like six points 194 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,120 five points in one day. It was just fascinating. And 195 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,480 so it worked really, really well. And anyway, this dog 196 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,840 is great, and you know these are the happy ending stories. Obviously, 197 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:13,000 long term, this dog is gonna probably go before it's 198 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,559 time because it was tumor, and this particular tumor, called 199 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,399 hamangio sarcoma will spread, has a tendency to spread to 200 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,879 the liver and to the lungs. But in the meantime, 201 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:25,080 we're gonna do some chemo. The dog is doing great. 202 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,320 We bought this dog a decent amount of time and 203 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,919 I'm just so thrilled to be a part of that. 204 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,039 And you know, I often tell clients, I'm the first 205 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,440 to admit, you know, be doing this for a long 206 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,080 time and I love it. But on the first and 207 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,960 I don't kid myself. And as I often tell a 208 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,679 client that the vast majority of our patients that we 209 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:44,120 treat are getting well in spite of us, not necessarily 210 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,919 because of us. 211 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: You know, there's I might be the. 212 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,919 Speaker 2: Vehicle through which we provide that supportive care, the vehicle 213 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,879 through which we you know, can give some of the medication, 214 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,320 but ultimately it's the body that's taken care of itself. 215 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:57,559 There's sometimes it needs little more time, and during that 216 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,159 time we have But it wasn't like my direct hand 217 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,679 that saved the life. But when you have a bleeding tumor, 218 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:07,720 when you have a humongous mass, things like this that 219 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:12,159 are going on. When you remove something through some amazing surgery, 220 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,600 or you put an animal back together that was badly 221 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,320 mangled or hit by a car or something, you fix 222 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,399 those broken ribs, you fix that diaphragm, etc. That's what 223 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:24,919 makes this all so much fun. That's what makes it 224 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,559 so great. So when you get a case that you 225 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,720 can truly like look in the mirror and say, if 226 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:33,120 it were not for me, that this pet wouldn't be here, 227 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,679 it's just a great feeling. And when I'm thinking about Lola, 228 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,960 it's one of those cases where I know that we 229 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,120 had a good hand and helping her along, and just 230 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,759 to see how getting her energy back and how she's 231 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,759 responding to the kids and how the kids are responding 232 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:49,240 to her, that's what makes it all just so worth it. 233 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,600 So anyway, I need to take that proverbial break here 234 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,080 in our show. I want to thank once again pro 235 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,720 Sense Pet Products are sponsors. I want you to get 236 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:00,639 the courage that got to give to call it eight 237 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,720 seven seven three eight five eight eight eighty two. Don't 238 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,200 be shy. And when we come back, I do have 239 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,480 a client, Lashawn, who did send us an email, actually 240 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:12,759 sent me an email and we talked on the phone 241 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:15,559 for about twenty minutes, and I'm going to share the 242 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,960 conversation the questions she had, So hopefully you can learn 243 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,120 from someone else's email, and honestly, I hope you all 244 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,440 learn from me and from other phone calls that I 245 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,120 get because we'd like to share this information because when 246 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:29,639 it happens to you, I want you to say, oh 247 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,320 my god, I remember when doctor where we talked about 248 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,840 that on the Ascavettes with Doctor Jeff radio show here 249 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:36,720 on pat Life Radio. 250 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: And we'll be back in just a few minutes. 251 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:45,799 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. 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Best 286 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:47,919 Bets for Pets every week only on Petlifradio dot com. 287 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: Let's Talk past It, Let's. 288 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,519 Speaker 4: Done Pets about Radio headline. 289 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,159 Speaker 1: Radio, pet Live radio dot. 290 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: Com And welcome back to Ask the Bat with Doctor 291 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:16,159 Jeff Here on pet Life Radio. 292 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: I'm your host, doctor Jeff Werber. 293 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,799 Speaker 2: As these thirty minutes now down to fifteen, goes so quickly, 294 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,639 and before the break, I had mentioned that I got 295 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,440 an email from a listener and it's great, and she'm wright. 296 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:29,960 She starts off by it I'm a new listener. I 297 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,639 love to hear that. So anyone that you know that's new, 298 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:35,399 old and different, whatever, we want them to tuning in 299 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:37,279 to ask the beasts of doctor Jeff Here on pet 300 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,360 Life Radio. And as I said, this is a really 301 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,840 interesting question and I want to share it with you 302 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:44,879 because that way, hopefully you'll learn from the answer I 303 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:47,919 gave her. And you know, I'm still old fashioned, as 304 00:14:47,919 --> 00:14:50,679 you can tell by my talking NonStop here on a 305 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:51,279 radio show. 306 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: I love to talk. 307 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,639 Speaker 2: So when give me the opportunity to talk to somebody, 308 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:57,159 either in person or on a phone, I much rather 309 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,399 do that than start texting and answering back and forth 310 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,840 with email. 311 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,159 Speaker 3: I don't have time for that. 312 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,799 Speaker 2: I am so much more efficient and so much faster, 313 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,720 and that's why I talk so fast. If you could 314 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:08,080 just give me a call and we'll talk on the phone. 315 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:10,159 So I'm going new listener, I have two one year 316 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,480 old tuxedo cats, and I have a couple of questions. 317 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:14,360 I call in, but I'm not sure your shows are 318 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,440 currently live, which they are, and I'm in work when 319 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,440 they're on. Anyway, so I was a bit worried about 320 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,399 my male cat. He's always had some quirky behavior, so 321 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,279 it's hard to judge, but his nose looked a bit 322 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:26,080 pale to me. I had two tuxedos many years ago, 323 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:28,799 the female lead, which I adopted a few years after 324 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,440 the male. The female went blind within the first year 325 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:34,320 I had her. Her blood was like kool aid ah, 326 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,960 the very thin blood that means anemia. She was in pain, 327 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:39,000 and I had her late to rest without the minimal 328 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,159 satisfaction of knowing what made her so ill. And I 329 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,480 feel terribly about case like that because I think we've 330 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:46,399 learned so much more, and I think there when you 331 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:49,519 don't get answers from a GP, if your GP doesn't know, 332 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,240 the worst thing that they can do is nothing. 333 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:53,799 Speaker 3: Either. 334 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: You get answers, you learn, you read, you go to 335 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,360 continue education, and you know how to handle this. I 336 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,519 can almost give guarantee that this was a blood parasite, 337 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,360 which is very, very common in cats. It's a hema 338 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,279 bartella called feline infectious anemia. And I haven't even met 339 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,480 this cat, and as soon as I hear a young 340 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,440 cat with kool aid blood, that's the first thing that 341 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,960 comes to mind. And it is treatable to a degree. 342 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,080 It is certainly diagnosable. And so when things aren't done 343 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,000 and the veteran just doesn't know what to do and 344 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,960 doesn't refer this cat to a specialist, it just irks me. 345 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,879 It kills me because I feel so badly for both 346 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:34,039 the owner and of course for Lee the cat. So 347 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,240 the show was later told by another vat that it 348 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,200 could have been FeLV and I would buy it. That's 349 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,679 also a possibility, since I adopted her from a rescue 350 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:43,639 organization that had her vaccinated. Luckily, my male cat, Tie 351 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,039 didn't contract it and lived until seventeen and a half 352 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 years old. That's fantastic. I'm not sure what he died 353 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:51,840 of either, though the Simpsons were not the same, so 354 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:54,120 I'm sure that it was. When you lift to seventeen, 355 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:56,799 you know, it could be just good old old age, 356 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,559 and that's a blessing. Again, I get very philosophical old age. 357 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,119 I'm definitely a glass half full person. I'm not looking 358 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,359 at wondering why, at seventeen and a half, what went wrong? 359 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,519 I'm saying, holy cow, seventeen and a half, that's fantastic. 360 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,480 And you know I think that right then and there, 361 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,759 you should just feel blessed that you have a cat 362 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:18,839 that made it that long. Anyway, with the two one 363 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,839 year old male and female tuxied as I currently have, 364 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,039 I was worried about the male having FBLV, as he 365 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,799 seemed a bit tired recently, lacking appetite a bit, and 366 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,039 his nose looked pretty pale for a while. They're both 367 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:31,519 from separate litters, and the animal hospital I adopted the 368 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:34,279 female from tested all of her siblings, and I decided 369 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,240 the whole litter was FVLV negative. The male, however, has 370 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:39,920 more of a mystery for his history and no siblings 371 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,480 they were aware of when they found him, so he 372 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,400 could be a solo cat. When I inquired the other day, 373 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,160 I was told by one of the animal hospitals that 374 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,039 the flav was a separate test from the FBRCP, and 375 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,319 I'll talk about that in a minute. Considering FFLV is 376 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,680 very contagious and deadly from what I've read, why is 377 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,160 it not only a separate vaccination. 378 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,799 Speaker 3: I think that's what she meant when she said. 379 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: Tests, But why do I find that I'm not told 380 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,240 of this given the option of having the test and 381 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,480 or vaccination done so I can make an informed decision 382 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,319 rather than take such a risk. Any help you could 383 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,400 give would be appreciated. Thank you. And her name is 384 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,440 Lashawan And so here is the point. First of all, 385 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,759 once should realize that when you're adopting cats or kittens, 386 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,480 it's very important, especially if you have other cats in 387 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:21,119 the household. 388 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:22,839 Speaker 3: So know as best you can. 389 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: And I'll specify what I mean by that, whether or 390 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,960 not the FLV and f ELV negative excuse me, FLV 391 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,640 and FIV negative, that's feline leukemia virus and the FIV 392 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:36,680 is feline immuno deficiency virus. So FIV is more like HIV. 393 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:40,480 It's feline immuno deficiency and the leukemia virus is also 394 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,799 a virus. It's an RNA virus that seems to create 395 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:46,519 immuno deficiency as well. We used to say that it 396 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:50,759 was the closest thing to the human HIV until FIV 397 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,480 was discovered. And FIV is even closer than f ELV 398 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:59,240 to the human immuno deficiency the HIV virus. So one 399 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,279 thing that we knows that there's no vaccine and certainly 400 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:06,519 one that I would recommend that combines the f VRCP, 401 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,839 which is the feline vaccine for rhino tracheitis, calisi virus, 402 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,880 and pan leukopenia. That's the f VRCP, that's your basic 403 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,160 cat vaccine which takes care of most of the upper respiratories, 404 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,440 and pan luke which is cat fever. 405 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:22,559 Speaker 3: To that many. 406 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: That's add one to that which we do, and that 407 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,519 is the numiniitis vaccine. So it's the f VRCP slash 408 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:34,880 P and E for dhuminitis and that is also an 409 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,720 upper respiratory infection that's actually caused by a bacterium as 410 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:42,440 opposed to a virus. And that's the basic core vaccine 411 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,359 in an area. Because these are often air deceptible, I 412 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:49,359 recommend at least as kittens getting these shots. Now, when 413 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,759 you think about rabies and leukemia, unfortunately there is no 414 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:57,440 really approved good vaccine for FIV, but there certainly is 415 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,759 a vaccine for f e LV. That is a vaccine 416 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:04,599 that we recommend for cats that are at risk. Now, 417 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,119 what do I mean by that your typical indoor cat, 418 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,880 or an indoor cat that goes out for walks on 419 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,359 a harness, that goes outside into a covered patio or 420 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,319 screened in patio. 421 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:16,759 Speaker 3: To me, that's not at risk. 422 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: And I don't believe that these cats should be given 423 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:25,480 randomly given leukemia vaccines unless there are other cats in 424 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:29,720 this cat's household that do truly go outdoors. So not 425 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:33,279 only should they, of course be vaccinated, but in those circumstances, 426 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,599 I would also vaccinate the other indoor cats that may 427 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,920 be associated with that one or two outdoor cats. Now 428 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,960 the rabies depending on where you live. In certain states 429 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,839 it is required even for completely one hundred percent indoor cats. 430 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,400 Since my feeling is that an indoor cat is not 431 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,200 going to get rabies. It's very unlikely that it's going 432 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,000 to be mingling, playing with a rabid bat, raccoon, square, 433 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,359 you name it, so it's unlikely they need the vaccine. 434 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,720 And I'm one of these guys that feels that less 435 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:09,480 is more when it comes to vaccines. There are many 436 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:13,319 out there experts that truly believe as well that if 437 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:17,440 you have an indoor cat and it's been healthy, that 438 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:20,359 after certain age, maybe five or six. There's some out 439 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,720 there that believe that cats don't need any more vaccines 440 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,279 at all because by that age their immune systems are 441 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,759 pretty well developed. I'm a little nervous about that one. 442 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,759 There are some tests that you can do called tighters 443 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,000 to measure existing antibody for the diseases you're going to 444 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:38,759 be protecting against via the vaccine. See if there's still 445 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,279 ample immunity antibody protection, and if there is, don't vaccinate, 446 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,160 And if there isn't, then you go ahead and vaccinate. 447 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,680 So I think that's a logical choice. But now when 448 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,920 it comes to leukemia test, and this is where I 449 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,200 think Lashawan maybe was given not wrong information, but it 450 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,519 wasn't clear enough. When you have a cat that's under 451 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:58,720 sixteen weeks of age, I don't know if I would 452 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:02,640 trust the Lukemi test now. If you have no other 453 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,680 cats at home and the kitten is acting totally perfect, 454 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,720 I'd wait wait till they're four months of age. That way, 455 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,519 you'll more likely yield an accurate result. If there are 456 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,240 other cats in the house and you are worried, even 457 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,480 though the cat holding a bat me I would go 458 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,480 ahead and test. Now if the test is positive. First 459 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,000 of all, not a death sends. Don't panic, but I 460 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,400 would one hundred percent keep this new kiddie away from 461 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,960 the other cats. No grooming each other, no sharing food 462 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,839 or water bowls, no playing, no. 463 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: Salive, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 464 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,279 Speaker 2: If the test is negative, it means that for now, 465 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,480 on the day of this test, we are negative. I 466 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:43,480 would still recommend a follow up test once the kitty 467 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:45,559 turns four months or four and a half months of age. 468 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,480 In other words, I trust a test done after four months, 469 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,400 but I don't trust a test if it's before four months. 470 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,960 So I think that's important to know. So make sure 471 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,519 when it comes to things like this, you need to 472 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:02,640 talk to yourternarian to really have a game plan. What's 473 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,640 the lifestyle of the cat going to be, where do 474 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,000 you live, do you live in the country, do you 475 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,079 live in the city, what's the situation of other diseases 476 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,119 in that area. 477 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: These are all the little. 478 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,079 Speaker 2: Things that we really need to be responsible about, and 479 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,880 no answers, because we need to help you decide and 480 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,440 you need to know what are the best vaccines to 481 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,519 give that cat, that kitten, which tests to do, What 482 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,880 are the circumstances, when, what, where, when and how, and 483 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,799 that's what it all boils down to. So I just 484 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,039 don't want to I definitely want to thank Lahan. We 485 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,400 are going to send Lashan out a free gift from 486 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480 pro Sense. And that is true for any of you, 487 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:36,640 any of you that give us a call, any of 488 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,799 you that send me an email with a question, I 489 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,119 will answer your question on air and also will send 490 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,559 you out a gift of free product from pro Sense. 491 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your participation. 492 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: And you're calling us here at pet Life Radio as 493 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,359 the Vet's with doctor Jeff. So other than that, I 494 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,920 hope you guys are braving the summer. I have, interestingly, 495 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,200 I've had two cases of rattlesnake bites because a lot 496 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,720 of our clients will hike into the hill. I've had 497 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,480 fortunately no cases yet, and I should knock on wood 498 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,079 this year of heatstroke. I think, you know, the more 499 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,799 we get out there, the more we educate the masses 500 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,440 about the dangers of the high temperatures, the heat stroke, 501 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,599 and the dangers of exercising your pets during the middle 502 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,720 of the day, the dangers of leaving them outside without water, 503 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,200 ample water and shade. The dangers of leaving them in cars, 504 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,319 even if you run inside to drop something off at 505 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,920 a friend's house for three minutes, how dangerous that could be. 506 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,160 So we have had much more responsible pet owners out 507 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,400 there that are really doing a bang up job keeping 508 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,480 their pets healthy. The toughest thing we have is the 509 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,119 pet that gets overheated. Even here in the hospital. You 510 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,039 know a lot of times coming out of surgery have 511 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,680 a I would never call it a specialty, but I 512 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720 do see a lot of bulldogs. 513 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,519 Speaker 3: I see the Old. 514 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: English, English, frenchy American, and a lot of these what 515 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,279 we call breaky cephalic breeds. These are breeds like the 516 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:06,640 sheets soon, the lass, and the pug, and the Japanese 517 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,599 chin and you name it. The peaks that have these 518 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,839 pushed in little squished in faces. They definitely have a 519 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,519 tougher time recovering from anesthesia. They have that natural difficulty 520 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:20,920 when it comes to air exchange. And you need to 521 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,920 be very cautious. And this is for the veterinarians out 522 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,119 there and you as pet owners. Don't be shy. Don't 523 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,720 be embarrassed to ask the staff at your veterinary hospital 524 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,759 do they are they aware of some of the intricacies 525 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,440 and nuances in treating these short faced breeds. And that's 526 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,119 how I ended up with so many bulldogs as patients 527 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,759 because I am a frenchy owner myself and I have 528 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:43,359 two of them. 529 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,279 Speaker 3: And these are the things you need to know. 530 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: We need to leave that in trachual tube in longer 531 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,720 than they would for a regular dog. We want that 532 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,240 dog almost almost looking at you and saying, okay, Doc, 533 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,039 you can take the tube out now, because if you 534 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,680 take it out too early and they're on their side 535 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680 and they're very relaxed, with those elongated soft pallets they have, 536 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,160 can literally literally go and n oxig on you, and 537 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,880 that means they can stop breathing. So then the more 538 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,640 they pant and the more they the harder they work, 539 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,119 the temperature goes up. The hotter that they get, the 540 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,599 more they work, the harder they work. It's a vicious 541 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:19,079 cycle all because some simple precautionary measures weren't taken initially 542 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,039 coming out of anesthesia. So make sure that you can 543 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,720 ask people all the time. When I'm doing greyhounds, for example, 544 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:26,640 or any dog that has you know something a little 545 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,960 a quirk when it comes to a surgical procedure. When 546 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 it comes to anesthesia, ask me, now, doctor, have you 547 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,960 worked on these before? Because you know, I'm told I 548 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,640 read that they have such such problem. It is not 549 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,039 an unfair question to ask your doctor. And even if 550 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,000 the doctor is going to get online and learn about 551 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,920 it pretty quickly, or he's going to say yes, oh no, 552 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,880 we see them all the time, I'm fully aware, or 553 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,640 he might say no, god, no, I didn't know about 554 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,200 this and maybe you should have a specialist to this procedure. So, 555 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,759 wherever the case may be, it's a lot worse, I think, 556 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,160 and you know a lot of that in aarrans are 557 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,119 so free to do that. They're afraid to say, you know, 558 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,519 I'm not sure and they think that. What gets veterinarians 559 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,880 in trouble, in my book, is they do know what 560 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,640 they know, and they do know what they don't know. 561 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,880 It's not knowing what they don't know. In other words, 562 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160 they think they know it, they think they have the answer, 563 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,119 yet they're way out in left field. They are not 564 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,440 even close. And that's when the problems erupt is when 565 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,759 they thought they knew and didn't know. Better to know 566 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:21,720 for sure what you know, and know for sure what 567 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,079 you don't know. If you know you don't know it. 568 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,599 You refer if you know it, you do it. But 569 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,519 when you don't know what you don't know and you 570 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,400 try it and it fails everywhere to lose lose anyway, 571 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,119 Our time is just about up. I want to thank 572 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,640 you all for tuning in with me here at Askabet, 573 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,079 but doctor Jeff here on pet Life Radio. I will 574 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,119 be back with you next Thursday, once again the number. 575 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,000 Don't lose it call me at the early at the 576 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,440 top of the show eight seven seven three eight five 577 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,240 eight eight eighty two. You can go ahead and send 578 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,480 me an email to doctor Jeff at petlfradio dot com. 579 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,880 You can also send me a email to doctor Jeff 580 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,839 at doctor Jeff dot com. That's Drjeff at Drjeff dot com. 581 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,720 As Lashan did, I will get your question. I will 582 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,400 call you, make sure you lead you in phone number. 583 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,079 We'll talk about your problem. We'll answer your question, and 584 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,039 we're going to read you on air life and get 585 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,200 you a free product, pro Sense pet Products. Thanks for 586 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,079 tuning in and we will see you next week. 587 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on Petlife 588 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:35,680 Radio dot com.