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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine uh, stepping outside tonight, I assumeing it's a clear

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<v Speaker 2>night wherever you happen.

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<v Speaker 3>To be listening to this right, hopefully no clouds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, and you look up at the sky, you

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<v Speaker 2>look past the street lights, past the airplanes, and you

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<v Speaker 2>try to spot Elpha Centauri.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is our nearest stellar neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the closest star system to our own solar system.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sits there in the darkness, glowing faintly. And

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<v Speaker 2>because we call it the closest, it feels like it

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<v Speaker 2>is just, you know, right next door in the grand

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<v Speaker 2>cosmic scheme of things.

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<v Speaker 3>It does feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But distance in space is just it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>tricky concept to wrap your mind around because if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to actually try to travel there right now, using

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute pinnacle of our current rocket propulsion technology, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Very best engines we've ever built.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, you would be embarking on a journey that would

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<v Speaker 2>take tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of thousands, I mean, it is a timeline that

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<v Speaker 3>completely defies human comprehension. Just to put that into perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>human civilization as we know it, like recorded history, agriculture, cities,

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<v Speaker 3>that's only about ten thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so one hundred thousand years is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's essentially forever. So a journey of one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>years means you aren't just sending a crew of astronauts,

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<v Speaker 3>you are sending an entire civilization.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole society in a can.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, you would be launching a generationship where the people

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<v Speaker 3>who actually arrive at Alpha centaury wouldn't even remember Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>They would have to survive, evolve, and basically sustain themselves

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<v Speaker 3>for countless generations in the void just to reach the closest.

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<v Speaker 2>Star, which frankly makes interstellar travels seem practically impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like this hard boundary drawn by the laws

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<v Speaker 2>of physics. But today we're going to explore how that

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<v Speaker 2>timeline is currently being challenged in a way that honestly

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like pure science fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does sound like sci fi, but it's happening

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because what if that mind boggling multimillennial journey could

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<v Speaker 2>be compressed down to roughly twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty years a single human generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, a single generation. A spacecraft launch today could actually

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<v Speaker 2>be intercepted by the people who built it. We are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about fundamentally escaping the limitations of traditional fuel heavy

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<v Speaker 2>rocketry and entering an era where we propel objects through

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<v Speaker 2>the vacuum of space using literally nothing but light.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is the paradigm shift we are witnessing right now.

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<v Speaker 3>We are basically moving away from the brute force of

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<v Speaker 3>chemical explosions.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is really all the traditional rocket is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, exactly, a highly controlled explosion, and we're stepping

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<v Speaker 3>into this entirely new realm of optical propulsion and microscopic levitation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a shift from fire to photons.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to frame this properly because the timing of

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<v Speaker 2>this shift is just incredible to watch unfold. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just recently, the world has been celebrating some absolutely massive

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<v Speaker 2>milestones in the traditional space flat arena.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely huge achievements.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, we watched the Artemis the Second Mission preparations

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready to send humans back around the Moon, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw Blue Origin making headlines by reusing the new

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn booster. Down Florida. We are watching these colossal, towering

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<v Speaker 2>metal skyscapers filled to the brim with volatile, highly explosive chemicals,

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<v Speaker 2>roaring into the sky on pillars of fire. It is

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<v Speaker 2>on spiring, it shakes the ground. It's an event. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the exact same time, a quiet, almost totally invisible

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<v Speaker 2>revolution is happening in a laboratory at Texas A and

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<v Speaker 2>M University Texas A and M. Right scientists, there are

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<v Speaker 2>literally level vitating and steering microscopic devices using lasers, using

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<v Speaker 2>just light right, they call the metajets, and the underlying

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<v Speaker 2>physics of these tiny metajets could ultimately render those massive

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<v Speaker 2>chemical rockets completely obsolete for deep space exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>The contrast there is just brilliant. I mean, you have

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<v Speaker 3>the deafening roar and the massive thermal exhaust of the

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<v Speaker 3>new Glenn booster on one side, yeah, pure power, and

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<v Speaker 3>on the other you have complete silence and the invisible

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<v Speaker 3>push of a laser beam in a pristine clean room.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild.

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<v Speaker 3>The work coming out of the J. Mike Walker sixty six,

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Mechanical Engineering at Texas A and M is

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<v Speaker 3>fundamentally redefining how we even think about motion, momentum, and

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<v Speaker 3>travel in space.

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<v Speaker 2>So who is leading this?

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<v Speaker 3>So there's doctor Schuffing Lawn. He's an assistant professor there

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<v Speaker 3>and the director of the Lab for Advanced Nanophotonics. He

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<v Speaker 3>recently published a groundbreaking study with his team in the

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<v Speaker 3>journal Newton.

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<v Speaker 2>The Journal Newton.

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<v Speaker 3>Oukay right, And the paper is titled Optical Propulsion and

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<v Speaker 3>Levitation of metajets, and it out lines exactly how they're

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<v Speaker 3>achieving this controlled three dimensional motion using only laser light.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we get into the microscopic engineering of an

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<v Speaker 2>actual metajet, I think we really need to establish why

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<v Speaker 2>this research is so.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely necessary, why we need it at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, why are we looking to completely abandon the

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<v Speaker 2>chemical rocket technology that took us to the moon and

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<v Speaker 2>it is taking this to Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fair question.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this on your commute right now,

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<v Speaker 2>think about the engine in your car. It runs because

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<v Speaker 2>you carry a heavy tank of gas with you. As

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<v Speaker 2>you drive, you burn the gas and your car gets

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<v Speaker 2>slightly lighter. But rockets take that concept to a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>punishing extreme, don't they.

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<v Speaker 3>They really do, and it is honestly a trap. Traditional

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<v Speaker 3>rocketry is bound by this mathematical paradox known as the

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<v Speaker 3>Siolkovsky rocket equation.

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<v Speaker 2>The Silkowsky rocket area.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, in aerospace circles they often just refer to it

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<v Speaker 3>as the tyranny of the rocket equation.

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<v Speaker 2>The tyranny that sounds dramatic, well.

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<v Speaker 3>It dictates a very harsh reality. It says that if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to move a payload through space, you need fuel.

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<v Speaker 3>But fuel has mass. It is heavy, right, So to

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<v Speaker 3>push your payload and your heavy fuel, you need even

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<v Speaker 3>more fuel.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see where this is going.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you need more fuel to push that extra fuel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, it's like trying to plan a cross

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<v Speaker 2>country road trip where there are absolutely no gas stations,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have to bring all the gas for the

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<v Speaker 2>whole trip in your trunk.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the weight of all that gas means your car

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<v Speaker 2>gets terrible mileage, so you have to tow a trailer

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<v Speaker 2>full of more gas which lowers your mileage even further. Exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>you end up in this incredibly punishing cycle. You build

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<v Speaker 2>a massive vehicle where ninety nine percent of the weight

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<v Speaker 2>is just the explosive liquid required to get the remaining

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<v Speaker 2>one percent, like the actual payload or the astronauts to

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<v Speaker 2>where they need to go.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a perfect way to visualize it, and that equation,

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<v Speaker 3>as brutal as it is, works fine.

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<v Speaker 2>For our local neighborhood, right going to the moon or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we can use it to get to Earth, orbit,

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<v Speaker 3>can use it to get to the moon. We can

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<v Speaker 3>even use it to send rovers to Mars, provided we

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<v Speaker 3>are a patient and willing to wait months for them

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<v Speaker 3>to arrive. Sure, but the moment you want to go

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly fast, say a significant fraction of the speed of light,

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<v Speaker 3>which is roughly one hundred and eighty six thousand miles

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<v Speaker 3>per second, the math completely breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Down because the fuel gets too heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, to reach Alpha Centauri in twenty years, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to travel at about twenty percent the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 3>The amount of chemical fuel you would need to accelerate

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<v Speaker 3>a traditional spacecraft to that speed is physically impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Like impossible, impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, possible, impossible. There isn't enough chemical energy in the

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<v Speaker 3>known universe to make that equation balance out. The ship

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<v Speaker 3>would be too massive to ever even move.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, so light powered propulsion completely sidesteps this tyranny.

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<v Speaker 3>It completely ignores it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, why doing what? Just leaving the gas station behind.

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<v Speaker 3>In a manner of speaking, Yes, by leaving the power

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<v Speaker 3>source behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, unpack that for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're an engine is a massive laser array

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on Earth or maybe sitting in orbit around the Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>your spacecraft doesn't have to carry a single drop of

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<v Speaker 3>fuel to power its journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I see.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't carry the engine, and it doesn't carry the propellant.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just a payload and a sail riding the beam.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love the elegance of leaving the heavy machinery

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<v Speaker 2>at home. It totally solves the math problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to admit I struggle with the actual

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<v Speaker 2>physical mechanics of this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair. It's very counterintuitive.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if I shine a really bright, high powered flashlight

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<v Speaker 2>at a piece of paper sitting on my desk, the

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<v Speaker 2>paper doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Move, No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It might get warm if the flashlight is bright enough,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't like slide across the wood. How on

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<v Speaker 2>Earth does light which is just photons? Right? And photons

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<v Speaker 2>have zero rest mass? Correct, How does something with no

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<v Speaker 2>mass actually push a physical object?

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<v Speaker 3>It is highly counterintuitive because we don't experience the physical

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<v Speaker 3>force of light in our daily macroscopic lives. Right, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't feel We feel the heat of the sun absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>but we don't feel it pushing us down into the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 3>But to understand this, we have to look at the

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<v Speaker 3>dual nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Of light, a wave particle duality.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, light is both a wave and a particle. The

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<v Speaker 3>particles photons don't have mass in the traditional sense of

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<v Speaker 3>a rock or a bowling ball, but according to the

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<v Speaker 3>laws of quantum mechanics and relativity, they do possess momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait. Wait, if momentum is mass times velocity and a

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<v Speaker 2>photon has zero mass, how does it have momentum?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the exact question physicists wrestled with over a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, so it's not just me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. The answer comes from James Clerk

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<v Speaker 3>Maxwell and later Albert Einstein. While a photon has no

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<v Speaker 3>rest mass, it has energy okay, and Einstein's extended equations

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<v Speaker 3>show that energy and momentum are intrinsically linked. So even

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<v Speaker 3>without mass, a photon carries a tiny discrete packet of momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>A packet of momentum.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, doctor Lan uses a very helpful tangible analogy in

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<v Speaker 3>the research to explain and how this momentum actually transfers

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I am picturing throwing a bucket of ping pong

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly now, Even though a ping pong ball is

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<v Speaker 3>the board before it redouns oh, I see, it physically

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<v Speaker 3>pushes the board, making it swing slightly. Now, just scale

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<v Speaker 3>that down. When a photon strikes an object and reflects

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<v Speaker 2>So the light from a laser is essentially a continuous,

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<v Speaker 2>highly focused brage of trillions upon trillions of microscopic pingkong

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<v Speaker 2>balls bouncing off the surface of the spacecraft.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the exact mechanism. It is an incredibly tiny

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<v Speaker 3>microscopic force, which is why your flashlight doesn't move the

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<v Speaker 2>Desk right, because it's friction.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Yeah, the push of those photons from your flashlight

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<v Speaker 3>is completely overwhelmed by the gravity of the Earth pulling

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<v Speaker 2>But if you remove that friction, Yes, if you place

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<v Speaker 3>Cumulative exactly because in.

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<v Speaker 2>A vacuum, an object in motion stays in motion. So

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<v Speaker 2>every single photon that bounces off at a tiny fractional

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<v Speaker 2>bit of.

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<v Speaker 3>Speed a tiny push.

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<v Speaker 2>And because there is no drag, it never slows down.

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<v Speaker 2>Over days, weeks, and years of continuous laser illumination, that continuous,

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<v Speaker 2>gentle push accelerates the object to unbelievable speeds.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it's continuous acceleration. A chemical rocket burns all its

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<v Speaker 3>fuel in a few minutes, giving the ship one massive

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<v Speaker 3>shove and then it coasts for the rest of the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically coasting on that one explosion.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, A laser driven sail gets pushed constantly, second after second,

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<v Speaker 3>year after year.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that definitely helps clarify the physics of the push.

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<v Speaker 2>The vacuum of space allows that tiny cumulative force to

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's all about the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>But that brings up an entirely new, incredibly complex problem

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I bet, what's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Understanding that light can push an object is one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but how do you keep it from just tumbling wildly

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<v Speaker 3>The stability issue, right, Because, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Use another analogy, if I take a fire hose which

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<v Speaker 3>Me, No, it definitely wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>The water hits it, the cardboard tilts slightly, the water

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<v Speaker 2>catches an edge, and suddenly the cardboard is flipping and

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<v Speaker 2>spinning and getting blasted off to the side, completely out

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<v Speaker 3>It just flies out of control exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And a laser beam is narrow If the spacecraft tilts

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<v Speaker 2>even a fraction of a degree, Won't it just slide

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<v Speaker 3>That is the million dollar question.

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<v Speaker 2>So how are the sign scientists at Texas A and

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<v Speaker 3>That exact question is what makes this research so revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 3>The stability problem you just described is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest hurdles in all of optical propulsion. Okay, the answer

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<v Speaker 3>to how they solve it lies in the specific materials

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<v Speaker 3>these metajets are made of. They aren't just using flat,

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<v Speaker 3>shiny mirrors. They are composed of what are called metasurfaces.

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<v Speaker 2>Metasurfaces. Okay, we definitely need to break that down. What

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<v Speaker 2>exactly are we looking at here? If I were holding

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<v Speaker 2>a metajet in my hand, what would it look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, honestly, you wouldn't be able to see it in

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<v Speaker 3>your hand. Wait, really, really, to understand a metajet, you

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<v Speaker 3>first have to understand the scale. We are talking about

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<v Speaker 3>devices that are only tens of microns in size.

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<v Speaker 2>Tens of microns. Just to give a listeners some real

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<v Speaker 2>world context for that, a single human red blood cell

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<v Speaker 2>is about eight microns across, right. A single human hair

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<v Speaker 2>is roughly seventy to one hundred microns thick. So these

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<v Speaker 2>entirely engineered functional devices are literally smaller than the width

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<v Speaker 2>of a hair.

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<v Speaker 3>They are truly microscopic. They are manufactured in specialized clean

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<v Speaker 3>rooms like the aggifab Nanofabrication facility.

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<v Speaker 2>At Texas A and m okay what goes on in there?

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<v Speaker 3>They use advanced lithography techniques. These are environments where even

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<v Speaker 3>a single speck of dust is a massive boulder that

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<v Speaker 3>could ruin the entire device.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so it has to be perfectly clean exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The researchers wear full protective bunny suits, working under special

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<v Speaker 3>yellow lights to avoid exposing the photosensitive chemicals used in

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<v Speaker 2>That is intense. And what are they actually manufacturing at

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<v Speaker 2>that tiny scale? Like? What makes it a metasurface and

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<v Speaker 2>not just a tiny piece of oil?

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<v Speaker 3>So a metasurface is an ultra thin material that has

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<v Speaker 3>been engineered with incredibly tiny, complex geometric patterns on its

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<v Speaker 3>surface patterns. Yes, imagine a landscape of microscopic pillars, ridges, antennas,

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<v Speaker 3>and valleys, all spaced apart at distances smaller than the

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<v Speaker 3>wavelength of light.

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<v Speaker 2>Itself, wait smaller than the wavelength of light.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, incredibly small when these patterns are explicitly designed to

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<v Speaker 3>interact with electromagnetic waves, in this case, the incoming laser

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<v Speaker 3>light in highly specific ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not just bouncing the light back like a

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<v Speaker 2>dumb mirror. The physical shape of the material is doing

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<v Speaker 2>something complex to the light. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>When we talk about manipulating light, we usually talk about

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<v Speaker 3>manipulating its phase, its amplitude, and its polarization.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's pause unpack those terms for those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't optical physicists. Sure, when you say the metasurface

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<v Speaker 2>changes the phase of the light, what does that actually

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<v Speaker 2>mean in practice? Or we're talking about shifting the wave itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so think of light as an ocean wave. It

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<v Speaker 3>has peaks and valleys. The phase refers to where you

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<v Speaker 3>are in that wave cycle. Are you at the crest

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<v Speaker 3>or are you in the trough?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>By engineering these microscopic pillars of varying heights and widths

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<v Speaker 3>on the metasurface, you can actually slow down certain parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the incoming LightWave just a tiny fraction of a

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<v Speaker 3>second more than others. Oh, this shifts the peaks and valleys,

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<v Speaker 3>altering the phase okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And amplitude and polarization.

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<v Speaker 3>So amplitude is essentially the intensity or the height of

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<v Speaker 3>the wave, basically how bright it is right, and polarization

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<v Speaker 3>refers to the orientation of the wave's oscillation. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>waving up and down or left and right or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like polarized sunglass is blocking certain ways exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>A metasurface can change all of these properties simultaneously. Upon reflection,

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<v Speaker 3>think about how a traditional glass magnifying lens works. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it relies on the physical curvature and the thickness of

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<v Speaker 3>the glass to bend and focus the light passing through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the glass itself bends it right.

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<v Speaker 3>A metasurface does the exact same thing. It shapes, bends, focuses,

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<v Speaker 3>and steers the light, but it does it on a

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<v Speaker 3>vastly smaller, thinner, and perfectly flat.

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<v Speaker 2>Scale without the curved glass.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It uses those nanoscale geometric patterns to manipulate the light.

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<v Speaker 2>The level of nanoscale fabrication required to build something like

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<v Speaker 2>that is just mind bending.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an engineering marvel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like building a macroscopic p ball machine, or

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<v Speaker 2>like a pachinko board where you carefully place all the

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<v Speaker 2>bumpers and pegs so that when a ball or in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, a photon drops in, you know exactly which

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<v Speaker 2>direction it's going to bounce out.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a highly accurate way to visualize it. You

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<v Speaker 3>are engineering the microscopic bumpers to dictate the bounce.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is the crucial distinction that really stood out

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<v Speaker 3>about the Texas A and M approach. Historically, when people

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<v Speaker 3>talked about moving things with lasers, the prevailing idea was

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<v Speaker 3>that you had to perfectly shape and aim a highly

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<v Speaker 3>complex adaptive laser beam to keep the object balanced right

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<v Speaker 3>to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It from sliding off like my cardboard example.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh exactly. The idea was if the object started to tilt,

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<v Speaker 3>the laser beam on Earth would have to instantly detect

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<v Speaker 3>that tilt and change its own shape to correct it.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to do all the complicated work at the

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<v Speaker 2>Which sounds like a nightmare. If your spacecraft is a

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<v Speaker 2>light year away, it would be impossible, right because the

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<v Speaker 2>signal delay would be a year. If it tilts, you

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<v Speaker 2>won't know for a year, and your correction won't reach

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<v Speaker 2>it for another year. By then the ship is totally gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the problem. But doctor Land's team flipped that entire

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<v Speaker 3>paradigm on its head. Instead of trying to dynamically control

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<v Speaker 3>the laser beam from afar, they built the control mechanism

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<v Speaker 3>directly into the material itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so the smarts are in the sail not

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<v Speaker 2>the wind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, beautifully said. By carefully designing the shape, the orientation,

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<v Speaker 3>and the placement of every single nanoscale feature on that metasurface,

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<v Speaker 3>the scientists are dictating exactly how the light will bounce off,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of minor fluctuations in the beam.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the laser hits a specific pattern of microscopic

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<v Speaker 2>pillars on the left side of the metajet, the light

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<v Speaker 2>is purposely deflected at a specific angle, say down into

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<v Speaker 2>the left right. And because of Isaac Newton's third law,

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<v Speaker 2>every action has an equal and opposite reaction or the

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<v Speaker 2>conservation of momentum. If the metasurface shoots the light down

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<v Speaker 2>and left, the metajet itself gets pushed up into the right.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the fundamental mechanism. The material basically acts as

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<v Speaker 3>its own steering mechanism. That is wild, It tells the

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<v Speaker 3>light how to push it. By altering the pattern across

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<v Speaker 3>the surface, they can create restorative forces.

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<v Speaker 2>Restorative forces.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so if the sail starts to drift to the

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<v Speaker 3>edge of the beam, the engineered pattern on that edge

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<v Speaker 3>interacts with the light in a way that automatically pushes

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so it is totally self stabilizing exactly. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>the material is doing all the steering automatically, what does

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<v Speaker 2>that actually look like in practice? How much control do

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<v Speaker 2>they really have over a device that is smaller than

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<v Speaker 2>a red blood cell.

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<v Speaker 3>This leads us to the major first that doctor Land's

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<v Speaker 3>team achieved and published in the journal Newton. They demonstrated

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<v Speaker 3>full three dimensional maneuverability of these metajets using only a

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<v Speaker 3>single laser source.

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<v Speaker 2>Three dimensional. Okay, that is a massive leap because when

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<v Speaker 2>concept of solar sales. We've seen these tested in space,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Japanese Icoros mission. Right, the iker and a

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<v Speaker 2>solar sail is essentially a one dimensional pusher. The sunlight

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<v Speaker 2>hits the giant flat foil square and the sail just

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<v Speaker 2>gets blown forward away from the sun. It's like a

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Simple. One D pushing is relatively straightforward. You just

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<v Speaker 3>laser and then intentionally steering it left, right, up and

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<v Speaker 3>down purely by controlling how the light interacts with the metasurface,

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<v Speaker 3>that is a whole different level of complexity.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>To the team's knowledge, this is the very first time

438
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<v Speaker 3>full three D maneuvering has been demonstrated using this specific

439
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<v Speaker 3>type of optical propulsion approach. They aren't just pushing the

440
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<v Speaker 3>meta jet, they are actively flying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have to jump in here with a serious

442
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<v Speaker 2>mechanical question. Please do, because I'm really struggling with a

443
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<v Speaker 2>three D aspect, specifically the vertical movement.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Ah, the up and down right.

445
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<v Speaker 2>If the sail is just a flat surface and a

446
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<v Speaker 2>laser is hitting it from directly below, pushing up against gravity,

447
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<v Speaker 2>I get how it goes up you turn it, the

448
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<v Speaker 2>laser power rises, sure, but how does it go down

449
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<v Speaker 2>against the pressure of the laser. How do you pull

450
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<v Speaker 2>something toward the light source using the light itself.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a phenomenal question, and it relies on incredibly

452
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<v Speaker 3>subtle optical forces. Okay, When light interacts with these nanoscale structures,

453
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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't just create a simple scattering force, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the forward push we talked about with the Pingkong balls.

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<v Speaker 3>It also creates what are called gradient forces.

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<v Speaker 2>Gradient forces, Okay, explain that.

457
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<v Speaker 3>Think of a laser beam. It is brightest in the

458
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<v Speaker 3>very center, and the intensity fades as you move toward

459
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<v Speaker 3>the edges of the beam, like.

460
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<v Speaker 2>A flashlight being fading at the edges.

461
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, that change in brightness is a gradient. When you

462
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<v Speaker 3>engineer the metasurface correctly, the electromagnetic fields of the light

463
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<v Speaker 3>interact with the material in a way that actually pulls

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<v Speaker 3>the object toward the area of highest light intensity.

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<v Speaker 2>We pulls it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, In certain configurations, the researchers can manipulate these gradient

467
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<v Speaker 3>forces to counteract the scattering force, essentially create a an

468
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<v Speaker 3>optical trap, an optical track. Yeah. So, by subtly tuning

469
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<v Speaker 3>the polarization or the alignment of the laser, they can

470
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<v Speaker 3>alter the balance between the forward push and the gradient pull,

471
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<v Speaker 3>allowing the metajet to move downward closer to the source

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<v Speaker 3>without actually turning the laser off.

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<v Speaker 2>That is staggering. They are using the internal structure of

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<v Speaker 2>the light beam itself as a physical track to slide

475
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<v Speaker 2>up and down off exactly. It's brilliant. But that brings

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<v Speaker 2>me to my next bit of skepticism regarding how they

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<v Speaker 2>actually prove.

478
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<v Speaker 3>This skepticism is good. Let's hear it.

479
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<v Speaker 2>If these metajets are smaller than a human hair and

480
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<v Speaker 2>they are being manipulated by the incredibly delicate, invisible force

481
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<v Speaker 2>of bouncing photons and gradient fields, wouldn't an experiment like

482
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<v Speaker 2>that be completely impossible to run on Earth?

483
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<v Speaker 3>You'd think so, wouldn't you right?

484
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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like even a slight draft from the

485
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<v Speaker 2>HVAC system and the laboratory, or just the ambient gravity

486
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<v Speaker 2>of the planet pulling down one hundred times stronger than

487
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<v Speaker 2>the light is pushing up, would instantly ruin the experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure, the meta would just fall to the

489
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<v Speaker 2>floor or get blown across the room. Yeah, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you prove this works when you are stuck at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of Earth's gravity?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you are touching on one of the most difficult

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<v Speaker 3>aspects of experimental design in this entire field. You are

494
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<v Speaker 3>completely right. The force generated by the laser is microscopic,

495
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<v Speaker 3>and Earth's gravity is relentless. If they just place the

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<v Speaker 3>metajet on a dry glass slide and shine a laser

497
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<v Speaker 3>on it, it wouldn't levitate.

498
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<v Speaker 2>It would just sit there exactly.

499
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<v Speaker 3>Gravity and static friction would hold it down firmly. The

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<v Speaker 3>researchers at Texas A and M had to come up

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<v Speaker 3>with a very clever workaround to isolate these tiny optical forces.

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<v Speaker 3>They conducted these experiments in a fluid environment.

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<v Speaker 2>A fluid environment, so they submerged the metajets in a liquid.

504
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<v Speaker 3>What kind of liquid they typically use? Dnized water or

505
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<v Speaker 3>specific optical oils.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why liquid.

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<v Speaker 3>By placing the metajets in a fluid, they utilize the

508
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<v Speaker 3>physical principle of buoyancy. The upward buoyant force of the fluid,

509
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<v Speaker 3>which is determined by the density of the liquid compared

510
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<v Speaker 3>to the density of the metajet, helped to counterbalance the

511
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<v Speaker 3>downward pull of gravity.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

513
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<v Speaker 3>It essentially created a pseudo weightless environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that is a brilliant workaround. It's like astronauts training

515
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<v Speaker 2>in the neutral Buoyancy laboratory that giant swimming pool down

516
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<v Speaker 2>in Houston to simulate spacewalks. Yes, the water makes them

517
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<v Speaker 2>neutrally buoyant so they don't sink or float, allowing them

518
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<v Speaker 2>to practice moving massive pieces of equipment using very little force.

519
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<v Speaker 3>It is the exact same concept, just scaled down to

520
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<v Speaker 3>the microscopic level. By neutralizing gravity with buoyancy, they created

521
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<v Speaker 3>an environment where those incredibly delicate light induced forces were

522
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<v Speaker 3>no longer overwhelmed.

523
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<v Speaker 2>So they could actually see what they were doing exactly.

524
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<v Speaker 3>They could shine the laser watch the metajet respond to

525
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<v Speaker 3>the momentum transfer and the gradient forces and accurately observe

526
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<v Speaker 3>and measure its three dimensional motion under a microscope.

527
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<v Speaker 2>But wait, if they're operating in a fluid, doesn't that

528
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<v Speaker 2>introduce a whole new set of problems.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely does, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Water might make it. But to an object that is

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<v Speaker 2>ten microns wide, water isn't just water at that microscopic scale.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't water behave more like thick syrup?

533
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<v Speaker 3>You are referring to life at a low Reynolds number

534
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<v Speaker 3>Renold's number. Yeah, it's a fluid dynamics concept. Basically, Yes.

535
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<v Speaker 3>At the microscale, viscous forces absolutely dominate inertial forces. To

536
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<v Speaker 3>a metajet, moving through water is like a human trying

537
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<v Speaker 3>to swim through a pool of cold honey.

538
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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that sounds awful.

539
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<v Speaker 3>It creates immense drag, and on top of that you

540
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<v Speaker 3>have Brownian motion.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Remind me what Brownian motion is.

542
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<v Speaker 3>It's the constant random bombardment of the metajet by the

543
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<v Speaker 3>vibrating water molecules themselves, which creates this jittery random movement.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Oh so the water is actively hitting it constantly. So

545
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<v Speaker 2>they had to prove their laser steering work despite the

546
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<v Speaker 2>metajet being constantly battered by water molecules and fighting through microscopic.

547
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<v Speaker 3>Molasses, which makes the fact that they achieved controlled three

548
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<v Speaker 3>D maneuverability even more impressive. Ye, the optical forces generated

549
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<v Speaker 3>by the metasurface were strong enough and precise enough to

550
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<v Speaker 3>overcome both the viscosity of the fluid and the chaos

551
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<v Speaker 3>of Brownian motion.

552
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<v Speaker 2>The fluid bath proves the concept and it proves that

553
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<v Speaker 2>the metasurface design works right. The material is successfully steering

554
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<v Speaker 2>the light to create precise three D movement against heavy resistance.

555
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<v Speaker 2>But a fluid bath in a Texas laboratory is definitely

556
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<v Speaker 2>not the vacuum of interstellar space.

557
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<v Speaker 3>No, it is not.

558
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<v Speaker 2>If you're trying to prove a frictionless interstellar drive. Testing

559
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<v Speaker 2>it in microscopic molasses is a bit of a paradox,

560
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<v Speaker 2>isn't it a bit?

561
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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

562
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<v Speaker 2>How are they planning to get these things into a

563
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<v Speaker 2>true vacuum to see their actual top speed and behavior.

564
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<v Speaker 3>The fluid environment was an absolutely necessary stepping stone for

565
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<v Speaker 3>the initial proof of concept, but as you pointed out,

566
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<v Speaker 3>fluid brings drag. It creates friction that the metajet has

567
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<v Speaker 3>to constantly fight against. To unleash the true efficiency and

568
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<v Speaker 3>the staggering speed potential of light driven propulsion, you really

569
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<v Speaker 3>have to get out of the fluid and into a

570
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<v Speaker 3>vacuum where there is no gravity, no buoyancy required, and

571
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<v Speaker 3>no drag out in space exactly, which brings us to

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<v Speaker 3>the next massive hurdle for doctor Land's team. They are

573
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<v Speaker 3>currently pursuing external funding to take these metajets and test

574
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<v Speaker 3>them in actual microgravity environments.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about getting these microscopic devices off the

576
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<v Speaker 2>planet entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, The goal is to test them on platforms like

578
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<v Speaker 3>the International Space Station or perhaps utilizing parabolic flights.

579
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<v Speaker 2>Parabolic flights those are the airplanes often called the vomit

580
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>comet right, the ones that fly in steep.

581
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.799
<v Speaker 3>Parabolic arcs, yes, exactly those.

582
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<v Speaker 2>They climb sharply and then die, creating brief periods of

583
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<v Speaker 2>weightlessness about twenty to thirty seconds inside the cabin before

584
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<v Speaker 2>they have to pull up again.

585
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 3>Correct In those true microgravity environments, whether for thirty seconds

586
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 3>on a plane or maybe months on the iss, the

587
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 3>pure physics of the optical propulsion can be isolated and

588
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<v Speaker 3>studied without the interference of buoyancy or fluid dynamics.

589
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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

590
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 3>They can place the meta jet in a vacuum chamber

591
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 3>in microgravity, hit it with the laser, and finally see

592
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<v Speaker 3>how it behaves when the only forces acting upon it

593
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<v Speaker 3>are the photons.

594
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>And it is worth noting that Texas A and M

595
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>isn't operating in a vacuum here pardon the pun, nice one.

596
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>There is a massive global race happening right now to

597
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.680
<v Speaker 2>crack the code on light power propulsion. This isn't just

598
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<v Speaker 2>one lab's pet project, not at all. The scientific community

599
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 2>worldwide sees the writing on the wall regarding the limits

600
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of chemical rockets. We know that there are research groups

601
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<v Speaker 2>all over Europe working on related optical concepts.

602
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely.

603
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>And here in the US you have brilliant minds at

604
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<v Speaker 2>the California Institute of Technology focusing heavily on propulsion stability.

605
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<v Speaker 3>Coltext work is fascinating. They are deeply focused on that

606
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<v Speaker 3>writing the beam problem we discussed earlier.

607
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<v Speaker 2>So the slipping off the beam issue, right, if.

608
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<v Speaker 3>You are pushing a macroscopic spacecraft with a laser, it

609
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.720
<v Speaker 3>is inherently unscable. It's like trying to balance a bowling

610
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<v Speaker 3>ball on the tip of a pencil, or maybe a

611
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<v Speaker 3>marble on a beach ball.

612
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, the slightest deviation and it slides off exactly.

613
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Caltic is working on theoretical nanoscale structures that inherently self correct,

614
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<v Speaker 3>much like what anm is demonstrating.

615
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<v Speaker 2>Practically, you also have the Rochester Institute of Technology tackling

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<v Speaker 2>the problem using diffractive grading platforms. What does that mean?

617
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<v Speaker 2>Diffractive gradings?

618
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 3>So, a diffractive grading is an optical component with a

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<v Speaker 3>periodic structure that splits and diffracts light into several beams

620
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<v Speaker 3>traveling in different directions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, give me a visual.

622
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Think of the back of a CD or a DVD.

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00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and how it reflects a rainbow of colors.

624
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a simple diffraction grading. Rochester is exploring how

625
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 3>those specific types of structures can be used to generate

626
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 3>and control propulsive forces somewhat parallel to the metasurface approach.

627
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>It is a full court press from the scientific community.

628
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>With all these heavy hitters, Celtech, Rochester, European space agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>What makes texas A and M's specific contribution so vital

630
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<v Speaker 2>in this global race, what sets the Newton paper apart,

631
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<v Speaker 2>What makes.

632
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Land's work so foundational is that they aren't just

633
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<v Speaker 3>building a one off device that happens to work through.

634
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<v Speaker 2>Trial and error, right, They aren't just guessing.

635
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<v Speaker 3>No, they are advancing the entire field by developing a

636
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<v Speaker 3>broader mathematical and physical framework. They are establishing the fundamental

637
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<v Speaker 3>physics principles that universally describe exactly how light generates force

638
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 3>across these engineered surfaces.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, So they are writing the foundational rule

640
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<v Speaker 2>book exactly. They are establishing the core math and the

641
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<v Speaker 2>governing equations that everyone else, whether you're ed, Caltech or Rochester,

642
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<v Speaker 2>can use to build and optimize their own devices.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, they are providing the underlying grammar for this new

644
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<v Speaker 3>language of optical mechanics. And if those fundamental physics hold

645
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<v Speaker 3>true as they move from the fluid bath into microgravity testing.

646
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<v Speaker 3>It leads us to the ultimate question, the holy grail,

647
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<v Speaker 3>the real holy grail of this research. How do we

648
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<v Speaker 3>go from a microscopic herewith device levitating in a lab,

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<v Speaker 3>to a massive spacecraft capable of carrying actual human payloads

650
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<v Speaker 3>or heavy scientific instruments to alpha centauri.

651
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<v Speaker 2>Here is where the data gets really interesting, And honestly,

652
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<v Speaker 2>this is the part of the research that completely blew my.

653
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<v Speaker 3>Mind me too.

654
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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, when you look at how traditional rocketry scales up,

655
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<v Speaker 2>it's a nightmare of engineering.

656
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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's terrible.

657
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>If you have a small rocket and you decide you

658
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<v Speaker 2>want to carry twice as much cargo, you can't just

659
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<v Speaker 2>make the rocket ten percent bigger.

660
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't work that way.

661
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<v Speaker 2>You have to completely redesign the engines to provide more thrust.

662
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>To fuel those larger engines, you need exponentially more.

663
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<v Speaker 3>Fuel, which means heavier tanks, right.

664
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<v Speaker 2>And those heavier tanks require stronger, heavier structural materials to

665
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<v Speaker 2>handle the immense stress of launch. It is a nonlinear

666
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<v Speaker 2>compounding problem.

667
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 3>It's why the sat n V was the size of

668
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<v Speaker 3>a skyscraper just to send three men to the moon.

669
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, but the most vital scaling principle discovered in this

670
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 2>texas A and M research is entirely different. The force

671
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<v Speaker 2>generated by this optical propulsion depends on the power of

672
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<v Speaker 2>the light, not the size of the device.

673
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<v Speaker 3>I want to pause and really emphasize how profound that

674
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<v Speaker 3>realization is. Please do The propulsive force depends on the

675
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<v Speaker 3>optical power available, not the physical dimensions of the metajet.

676
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

677
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>The underlying physics dictate that the exact same principles, the

678
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<v Speaker 3>exact same equations, and the exact same nanoscale metasurface patterns

679
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>that are currently pushing a ten micron device in a

680
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 3>fluid bath can push a massive interstellar spacecraft.

681
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 2>That is just It's like we just invented a completely

682
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>scalable engine.

683
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 3>It is entirely scalable.

684
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 2>If you build a microscopic metajet, you use a small

685
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>laser pointer. If you want to move a larger ship,

686
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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to fundamentally reinvent the physics of the metasurface.

687
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 2>You just need to shine a more powerful laser at it.

688
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It is a completely linear path to scaling.

689
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.799
<v Speaker 3>It separates the vehicle from the propulsion system completely and

690
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 3>When you extrapolate that out, you start to envision an

691
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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure for the future of space exploration that looks completely

692
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<v Speaker 3>different from what we have today.

693
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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about building massive permanent infrastructure. Yes, imagine

694
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<v Speaker 2>enormous laser arrays, perhaps built on the dark side of

695
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the Moon to avoid atmospheric distortion, or maybe orbiting the Earth,

696
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>powered by square miles of solar panels, harvesting raw energy

697
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<v Speaker 2>from the Sun.

698
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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible to picture.

699
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<v Speaker 2>These laser stations would act as the permanent engines for

700
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<v Speaker 2>the entire Solar.

701
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<v Speaker 3>System, and the spacecraft themselves would be completely passive, right,

702
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 3>no engines. They wouldn't have massive fuel tanks, they wouldn't

703
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>have complex combustion chambers or delicate exhaust nozzles that could

704
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<v Speaker 3>melt or explode.

705
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>They're just empty shells.

706
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<v Speaker 3>Basically. They would essentially be engineered hulls covered in these

707
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<v Speaker 3>highly specific nanoscale metasurfaces. You would have a fleet of

708
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<v Speaker 3>fuelss ships traversing the Solar System, ferrying cargo to Mars

709
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 3>and eventually venturing beyond the Ort Cloud, all riding on

710
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 3>beams of concentrated light.

711
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>It turns the spacecraft into a sailboat. We control the

712
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>wind a perfect analogy. It fundamentally lowers the cost and

713
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>complexity of the vehicle itself. You build the massive laser

714
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>engine once, and you can use it to push one

715
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>thousand different ships over its lifetime, exactly by let me

716
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>play Devil's Advocate here for a second.

717
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Go for it.

718
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Because space is not completely empty, No it's not. There

719
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 2>is the interstellar medium, tiny grains of dust, stray hydrogen atoms.

720
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 2>If we are pushing at spacecraft to twenty percent the

721
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>speed of light using these delicate nanoscale structures, what happens

722
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>when it hits a speck of space dust at thirty

723
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>seven thousand miles per second.

724
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a huge problem.

725
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Won't that instantly obliterate the metasurface and leave the ship stranded?

726
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 3>That is one of the most critical engineering challenges for

727
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 3>the actual implementation of an interstellar mission.

728
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I would assume so.

729
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 3>At relativistic speeds, a grain of sand hits with the

730
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 3>kinetic energy of a bomb. So yes, the metasurfaces will

731
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 3>undoubtedly suffer degradation. Solutions currently being theorized involve heavily shielding

732
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 3>the front of the craft and maybe putting the propulsive

733
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 3>metasurfaces on the rear.

734
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh effectively pulling the craft rather than pushing.

735
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 3>It exactly, or alternatively creating highly redundant metasurface patterns where

736
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 3>large portions can be destroyed without losing stability.

737
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Like having thousands of extra sales.

738
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Right, the material science will have to evolve to meet

739
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 3>the harp reality of the interstellar medium, But the key

740
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<v Speaker 3>takeaway from doctor Land's research is that the propulsive mechanism

741
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 3>itself is viable.

742
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 2>The engine works now, we just have to figure out

743
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>how to build the chassis to survive the trip precisely,

744
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and that separation of power source from the vehicle really

745
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>is the only realistic way we are currently aware of

746
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>to achieve the speeds necessary to reach Alpha century in

747
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>a human lifetime.

748
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 3>It's our best bet.

749
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 2>A chemical rocket has a terminal velocity dictated by the

750
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>chemical energy of its fuel. It can only push so hard.

751
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But a light sail driven by a massive sustained laser

752
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 2>array can theoretically continue to accelerate up to a significant

753
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>fraction of the speed of light, continuously adding velocity year

754
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>after year.

755
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 3>It is basically breathtaking to think about the speeds detainable,

756
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 3>but you know this research isn't just a hypothetical win

757
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 3>for the astronauts and explorers of the distant future. No,

758
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the development of this technology is having a very tangible,

759
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 3>immediate impact right now on the ground, specifically in how

760
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 3>we educate the next generation of engineers.

761
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great point. We often forget the human

762
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>element of these massive technological.

763
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Shifts, right, People actually have to build this.

764
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>A paradigm shift this large doesn't happen overnight, and it

765
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen in a vacuum. It requires a tremendous amount

766
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 2>of intellectual labor apps. And what's really inspiring about the

767
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 2>work at the Lab for Advanced Dandopototics is who is

768
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>actually doing the heavy lifting. The design, the complex mathematical modeling,

769
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 2>and the incredibly delicate experimental validation of these metajets were

770
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 2>led by doctoral students in Doctoral life Lands group.

771
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 3>That is the beauty of the university research system. Yeah,

772
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 3>the doctoral students are the ones in the clean rooms

773
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 3>at the aggifab nanofabrication facility wearing the bunny suits, operating

774
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 3>the electron beam lithography machines, actually manufacturing these nanoscale patterns.

775
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 2>We're doing the actual science.

776
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 3>They are the ones setting up the microscopes and running

777
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 3>the fluid bath experiments, agonizing over the data when Brownian

778
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 3>motion throws off their readings.

779
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 2>They are literally on the absolute frontier. Yeah, and the

780
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>ripple effect of their work is already reshaping the curriculum

781
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 2>and Texas A and M.

782
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

783
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Land noted that the underlying physics of these light

784
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 2>induced forces have already been incorporated into graduate coursework. They

785
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 2>are literally writing the textboats on optical mechanics as they

786
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 2>discover it.

787
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Which means we are witnessing a profound generational handover in engineering.

788
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.679
<v Speaker 3>Think about the aerospace engineers who trained in the nineteen

789
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.280
<v Speaker 3>fifties and sixties.

790
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>The Apollo generation exactly.

791
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 3>There were masters of fluid dynamics, combustion, and thermodynamics. They

792
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.519
<v Speaker 3>learn how to control controlled explosions. Now the curriculum is

793
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 3>having to shift to accommodate a completely new paradigm. The

794
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 3>students today are learning quantum optics, nano manufacturing, and electromagnetic

795
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 3>momentum transfer.

796
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a massive pivot, massive a technological leap of this magnitude.

797
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Cutting one hundred thousand year journey down to twenty years

798
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>is a multi generational project.

799
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure.

800
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 2>The doctoral students who are learning how to manipulate the

801
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 2>momentum of photons today, and the undergraduates who are rushing

802
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to join these research opportunities because they read about metajets,

803
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>they are the ones who will be the veteran senior

804
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>engineers decades from now.

805
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 3>They will be the ones sitting in mission control or

806
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 3>maybe standing on the lunar surface monitoring the laser array

807
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 3>when the first actual interstellar probe powered by light leaves

808
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 3>our solar system.

809
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>That gives me chills.

810
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 3>By integrating this cutting edge research directly into the curriculum,

811
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 3>the university is ensuring that the pipeline of talent is

812
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 3>deeply fluent in this entire, highly new language of physics,

813
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and it.

814
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Really ties into this broader scientific renaissance we are seeing

815
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 2>across the material science landscape.

816
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 3>We're seeing it everywhere.

817
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 2>The traditional boundaries of what we thought was possible are

818
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>constantly being broken. We are seeing other researchers discovering hidden

819
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>properties of light to power nanomachines in completely different contexts.

820
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>We're seeing teams using those same parabolic flights we talked

821
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 2>about earlier to test things like graphene aerogels moving under

822
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>laser power.

823
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Grapphine aerogels are another fantastic example of this paradigm shift.

824
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 2>What are those exactly?

825
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>They are incredibly porous, sponge like structures made of carbon

826
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 3>that are lighter than air because they have such low density,

827
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.559
<v Speaker 3>but absorb and emit energy so efficiently. Researchers are finding

828
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 3>they can be pushed and manipulated by light in very

829
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 3>similar ways to these metasurfaces.

830
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Well interesting, So the university systems are having to adapt

831
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in real time just to keep up with how fast

832
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the physics are changing. Exactly, we are training a generation

833
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>of students to view light not just as a way

834
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to illuminate a room or a way to transmit data

835
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 2>through a fiber optic cable, but as a physical tool,

836
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a literal wrench, right, a tool you can use to build,

837
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>to levitate, and to propel objects.

838
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>It is a profound evolution in humanity's relationship with the

839
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 3>electromagnetic spectrum. We are learning to harness the physical force

840
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 3>of light itself.

841
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 2>It really is. So let's take a step back and

842
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>look at the incredible journey we've just charted today.

843
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.639
<v Speaker 3>We covered a lot of ground, We really did.

844
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<v Speaker 2>We started by looking at the harsh reality of the

845
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>rocket equation and how it traps us in our local

846
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>solar system, the tyranny, the tyranny. Then we looked at

847
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a microscopic device, a metajet smaller than a single human

848
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>red blood cell. We explored how scientists engineered its ultra

849
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>thin metasurface with nanoscale precision, building the three D steering

850
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<v Speaker 2>controls directly into the geometry of the material itself.

851
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Putting the smarts in the sale exactly.

852
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>We saw how they successfully levitated and maneuvered it against

853
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the resistance of a fluid bath in a Texas laboratory,

854
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.079
<v Speaker 2>proving definitively that the tiny cumulative momentum of photons can

855
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>be harnessed and directed.

856
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 3>And from that microscopic proof of concept we trace the

857
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 3>path forward. Right, we looked at the impending lead into

858
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.760
<v Speaker 3>microgravity testing, where the true efficiency of the design can

859
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 3>be unleashed away from the friction of.

860
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Earth on the iss or the vomit comet.

861
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we discussed the monumental realization that this technology scales

862
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 3>linearly based on the power of the light, not the

863
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 3>size of the device, opening the door for massive macroscale

864
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 3>spacecraft powered by off board laser arrays.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally we saw how this exact research is actively

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<v Speaker 2>cultivating the next generation of scientific minds who will turn

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<v Speaker 2>this theory into reality.

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<v Speaker 3>It's super exciting, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Brings us all the way back to our nearest stellar neighbor,

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<v Speaker 2>Alpha Centauri, back to the night sky. Right. We started

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation talking about one hundred thousand year journey in

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<v Speaker 2>a massive explosion powered rocket, a journey that would require

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<v Speaker 2>generations to complete.

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<v Speaker 3>A civilization in a can exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But if this technology fulfills its promise, If our primary

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<v Speaker 2>method of moving through the cosmos transitions from carrying heavy

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<v Speaker 2>volatile chemical fuel to simply riding continuous, silent beams of light,

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<v Speaker 2>it fundamentally changes humanity's relationship with space.

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<v Speaker 3>It changes everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes the vast empty darkness that separates the stars

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<v Speaker 2>and turns it into a navigable ocean of light.

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<v Speaker 3>It changes the very definition of distance in astrophysics. The

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<v Speaker 3>universe basically becomes smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does. Yeh, So I want to leave you

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<v Speaker 2>with a profound thought to mull over as you go

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<v Speaker 2>about your day.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>If distance in space is no longer measured by how

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<v Speaker 2>much fuel you could physically carry on a ship, but

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<v Speaker 2>is instead limited simply by how bright of a light

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<v Speaker 2>you can shine from Earth. What other seemingly impossible boundaries

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<v Speaker 2>are about to disappear,
