WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:04.679 Rob your your your sound is a little sharp, crackly. 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:06.120 My two. Hold on. 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:07.480 So I'm going to turn the game down. 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.000 How about this probably better? Right? Just better? 5 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:11.560 That sounds good. 6 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:13.320 Yeah, just turn the game down. That's all I had 7 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:13.519 to do. 8 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:16.120 Okay, you turned down the game. 9 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:17.440 Just turn down the game. 10 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:50.600 I'm very violent and the mos better. Well it's twelve 11 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.679 days before the election, and this is block culture and 12 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.159 I'm John Podhorns in New York with an interesting introduction 13 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:01.759 of Rob Long in Princeton, New Jersey. 14 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.000 I was here last time I was here. The last 15 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.599 block shows. 16 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:07.799 You know, I'm just getting I'm just getting used to it. 17 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.000 I'm just getting used to the idea of you in Princeton, 18 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:11.599 New Jersey. 19 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.680 I believe me. I have I have some thoughts. We 20 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:14.760 should talk about Princeton. 21 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:16.120 New Jersey. Okay, I would I would like to have 22 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:20.159 And but as ever as he has been since the 23 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:24.840 mid nineties. Jonah Goldberg in Washington, d C. 24 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.680 Hi, Jonah, Hey, John, who were you before the mid nineties? 25 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:30.920 Has been he's been since the mid nineties. 26 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.799 Jonah Goldberg, You moved to Washington. 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.680 The early nineties, early nineties. 28 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.719 I came back in Prague, visited my girlfriend who was 29 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.359 going to law school here and basically never left DC. 30 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.280 So there we go. You know, swamp Rob, You know 31 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:50.239 that Jonah and I, Sariatum. I think I eight or 32 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:54.799 nine years before Jonah lived in the same apartment building 33 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:00.599 in in Adams Morgan, Is that right? We did eighteen 34 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.359 forty three? Mint would place you right? Yeah. 35 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:06.439 Did you find any weird stuff, Jonah when you moved in, 36 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:07.359 any kind of weird And. 37 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.319 I don't think we lived in the same apartment. 38 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:12.879 But the usual stain unusual, same story. 39 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.879 That was amazing to me was that I had been 40 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:18.919 living in New York, living in this dump in Times 41 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:23.759 Square in nineteen eighty three, paying I don't know, four 42 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.520 hundred dollars a month or something, sharing the apartment with 43 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.319 my friend Todd Lindberg. And then I got this job 44 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.199 in Washington that paid the princely sum of I don't 45 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.000 know what, it paid, like thirty five thousand dollars a year, 46 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:36.960 which was like more money than I had ever thought 47 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.960 I would ever make. So I could rent an apartment 48 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.319 for five hundred and fifty dollars and I go to 49 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:49.159 this building and it's a duplex. When you go down 50 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.479 the stairs and there's the living room is downstairs and 51 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.840 the bedroom was upstairs. And I was like, I'm. 52 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.319 Rich, I'm rich. 53 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.520 I have I have two levels. I living in a 54 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.199 place with a with a with a hot plate, yeah, 55 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:09.000 and a half and a half fridge in a tenement 56 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.159 on West forty sixth Street. I have. I have hit 57 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:13.800 the lottery. 58 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.000 You have and you can take should we repair upstairs 59 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:18.919 for DJ just Stief's You could say that if you 60 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.479 had people exactly know. 61 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:22.520 But it was sort of like one of these New 62 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:26.360 York parochial New York experiences where you go anywhere else 63 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.199 in the country and it's like, oh, you don't have 64 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.159 to spend sixty percent of your income on rent. 65 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.280 Now, my wife, my wife's absolute favorite real estate porn 66 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:37.520 thing is what like what a million dollars gets you 67 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.000 or whatever it is in the or the New York Times, 68 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.680 And like, you know, in New York City, it's a 69 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:49.280 refrigerator box with insulation and. 70 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.360 Theoria it's an eight room Gothic mansion. 71 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.719 Well, have you ever watched My Dream Lottery Home on HGTV. 72 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.199 So this is a show. The concept of it is 73 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.680 people win the lottery and then they're going to buy 74 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.520 the house of their of their dreams. And so the 75 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.240 guy who is covered in tattoos, the host, takes them 76 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.960 to see three different places. And so sometimes they have 77 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.199 a lot of lottery money. Sometimes they've wont you know, 78 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:20.600 like half a million dollars. Sometimes they have one hundred, 79 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.079 two hundred thousand dollars something like that. And he takes 80 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:30.120 them there in you know, North Carolina, Florida, Maine, wherever. 81 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.480 And it's always like, okay, and here is blue Bonnet Castle. 82 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.920 You know, they give names to these houses. And it's like, 83 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.120 how much do you think this house goes for? And 84 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.079 it's like got eight bedrooms and three acres I don't know, 85 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:47.079 and this and that, and it's like, I don't know 86 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:52.839 two hundred and ninety thousand dollars. And then the guy says, well, 87 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:58.279 actually it's two hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars. And 88 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.720 I'm like, I couldn't get a bathroom for two hundred 89 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:05.240 and seventy eight thousand dollars where I live like your. 90 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.920 You also you require a certain opulence from your bathroom. 91 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:11.680 To be fair, you have my bathroom. You've seen you've 92 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.160 been to my house for dinner. 93 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.639 Rob I scrupulously avoided the bathroom. I have to be 94 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.279 honest with you. I made a point not to not to. 95 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:21.360 I don't want, I don't want. 96 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.000 I have a very I have a wonderful image of you. 97 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.079 I have a sense of. 98 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:26.639 Your your incredible nobility. 99 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.879 I don't want to see your lot people, people who 100 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.680 I really admire and I like, whose bathrooms I do 101 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:33.920 not want to see, and yours is one of them. 102 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:40.959 Nineteen o eight, apartment building bathrooms were tended not to be. Yeah, 103 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.199 opulent would not be a word I would use. 104 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.959 Okay, Well, I'm experiencing this firsthand, as you know. I'm 105 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.079 as you mentioned, I recently moved to Princeton, New Jersey, 106 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:56.120 and it's it's a disconcerting. It's a disconcertingly lovely place. 107 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:01.439 It's weird. It's a it is like, you know, it's lovely, 108 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.680 but it's you walk around it and it's like Stepford. 109 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.279 It really is like Stepford, but Stepford if it was 110 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:12.079 done you know, by a DEI person, Because everything like 111 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:13.800 it's Richard Scary's Dei. 112 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.000 Everything. Everything is a landing eye. 113 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.720 People walking with ice cream cones and their families, multicultural, 114 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.759 there's seeks and turbans, and there's like a bunch of 115 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:25.639 like Africans and two shiki's. 116 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.240 And other people wandering around, and everyon's got their dog. 117 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.199 It's the most pleasant. 118 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.279 It's the place where, if you if you put it 119 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.360 this way, you know in colleges, where they have to 120 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:36.759 take you know, they take that picture and the picture 121 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:43.480 is absurdly multicultural, and you think the catalog Princeton, you. 122 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.079 Don't need to arrange that. 123 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.240 It's just it's just happening naturally in the little town 124 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.120 in front of the upscale stores. And Prince is one 125 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:57.800 of those places where if you see a disheveled, kind 126 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:02.600 of shabby looking old person mumbling, your first question is 127 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.000 I wonder what they teach. 128 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.240 There? You go. So, I have been on college tour 129 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:18.079 now for months with my twelfth grader. So I have 130 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.720 seen colleges. 131 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.000 All and you mean your twelfth grade age child, not 132 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:24.439 like your blood boy or anything. 133 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.360 Right, he's not going to. 134 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.800 Set his blood boy you very much like he worked 135 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:33.160 at a nonprofit something like that. 136 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839 Yes, yes, he is all shiny and chrome. 137 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.240 Anyway, you said you'd said you said you'd educate me. 138 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.000 Shut up your orange juice. 139 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.639 So and had been on college tours with my daughter 140 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.800 who is now in her third year Williams. And so 141 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.519 I've now seen I don't know, you guys, Jonah like 142 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.680 speaks at colleges all the time, so he's probably seen colleges. 143 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.879 I haven't seen that many in my life, but I've 144 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.839 now seen all these schools up and down the Eastern 145 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.199 Sea ward. I think Princeton is the most strikingly beautiful 146 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.519 of them all. It's definitely okay. I mean I I 147 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.720 don't know that there is anything quite comparable to it 148 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:21.839 outside of Oxford and Cambridge. 149 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.399 Well, just to be just to be yeah accurate, like 150 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:28.160 I'm at the seminary, so I'm at the Princeton Sements 151 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:30.680 Prince of Theological Semony across the street. 152 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:31.240 They were. 153 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.600 They began as the same university, your same institution, as 154 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.679 all these places did, and then they sort of gradually 155 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:43.200 one became secular and one became theological. The the so 156 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.840 there they have the same some of the buildings have 157 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.600 the same names on put it that way, it's like 158 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.320 just the same people gave the same building. The Prince 159 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.519 of Theological Seminary campus is the boiled down. 160 00:08:58.159 --> 00:08:59.120 Beautiful version. 161 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.720 Just there's no straining as anything that's smaller and they 162 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.080 have tripled down somehow on. 163 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.039 The only way I can describe. 164 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:15.480 It is pharmaceutical ad quality trees. It's a it's a 165 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.960 pharmaceutical ad quality bottom right now. 166 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:20.519 It's like insane. 167 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:22.639 And so you're walking, you're walking to class and it's 168 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.519 like this giant red tree and or giant orange tree. 169 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.759 And in the spring it's I was here in the 170 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:32.639 spring or late spring, and it's this beautiful glush jungle 171 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:34.159 and you just think this is I mean, I don't 172 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.559 think it's wasted on my classmates, because my classmates are 173 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.000 here for a big purpose and there and they're they're graduateudents. 174 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.519 But I think it's definitely wasted on the undergraduates. 175 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.320 They to wander around Princeton University campus and they. 176 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.480 They they really should be. 177 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.039 I mean, like anything else here, I'm sound like an 178 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:52.840 old man, which is not for the first time of 179 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.600 this podcast. They really should appreciate what they have, and 180 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:56.360 I don't think they do. 181 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.200 Okay, can I can I speak to this because my 182 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:04.720 daughter who is twenty and goes to Williams which is 183 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:10.399 in the northwestern the northwestern corner of Massachusetts right where. 184 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.440 Right Williams very pretty right. 185 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.679 So she daily is like she calls me and says, 186 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:20.960 this is the most beautiful day I've ever seen. She 187 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.759 sends a photograph of a turning tree or something like that. 188 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.159 So I don't know that it's necessarily the case that 189 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.879 the kids are not experiencing the beauty. At least I 190 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.240 have one who certainly does. I want to tell you 191 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:38.279 guys about my quickly about my visit to Brown, which 192 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:43.679 I had never seen with my daughter, because Brown also 193 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.159 a very beautiful and interesting campus because it is it 194 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.840 kind of precedes the city that was built up around it, 195 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:57.360 so it's kind of integrated into the neighborhood of Providence 196 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.879 in a way that I don't quite know that other 197 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:07.679 campuses are that I'm aware of. So you're kind of 198 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.960 in the city and you're on campus, and it kind 199 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.759 of there are different quads and different crossing the streets, 200 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.200 and so it's it's very striking. But two things about 201 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:23.000 the visit to Brown. One, we go in for the 202 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.879 tour and they have an information session before the tour, 203 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:31.440 and the first big slide at the tour of Brown 204 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.919 is a land acknowledgment, and they tell you that they 205 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:40.080 worked very, very hard in the land acknowledgment acknowledging that 206 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.080 the land that Brown sits on is the land of 207 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.039 the Narragansett Indians or I'm sorry, I'm suppose I'm not 208 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.919 supposed to say Indian, and that they acknowledge the land 209 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.759 and they and you know, I was reading this and 210 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:59.600 I was thinking, you know, if you really want to 211 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.759 go with the land acknowledgement, why don't you give it back? 212 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.279 Just give it back. You know, skid More, which is 213 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.720 in Saratoga Springs, actually bought an entire h you know, 214 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.440 like thousands of acres in the mid sixties and build 215 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.080 a new campus somewhere on land that had purchased. So 216 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.840 if Brown is so concerned about the asappropriation of land 217 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.480 from the narragans It's it could just you could just 218 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.120 give it back. It's got a huge downland. It could 219 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.240 just go buy stuff, tear build a new campus and 220 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.480 give it back to the Narraganza Indians. 221 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.360 Or buy new parts of land and give that to them. 222 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:39.799 I mean, maybe they'd like something fresh. 223 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.200 Right. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, you know, the acknowledgment's 224 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:47.480 a little chintzy because that couldn't afford to give it back. 225 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.120 It's sort of like, you know, it's sort of like 226 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:51.600 driving around in a car with a sign that says 227 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.559 this is stolen property exactly. 228 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.000 So that was number one. 229 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.679 Number Well, I would saying, can we just. 230 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:00.519 Maybe they should just I mean, I don't think they 231 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.360 need to give it back, but I think they should 232 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.440 just change it from atlant acknowledgment to a you know, 233 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:06.600 a land hat. 234 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:10.600 Tip, the land hat tip. You'd like to give a 235 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:11.240 hat tip to the. 236 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:17.000 Land ht colon maragans it Academic communities may just a 237 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:18.600 lands a land citation. 238 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.480 Yes. The second landing I'll tell you about is walking 239 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.480 around campus with one of these very enthusiastic campus guides 240 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.600 who tells you that this is really super exciting and 241 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.720 this site on the campus is really instagrammable if you 242 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.399 want to take your picture, it's really instagrammable. It's the 243 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.000 first time I've actually heard someone use the word instagrammable 244 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:44.320 and ironically or maybe even actually spoken but again saying 245 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:48.600 this is very instagrammable over here like that, but passing 246 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.480 by the Ruth Simmons squad, who Simmons being the someone 247 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.200 who was President Brown for like eighteen years, first African 248 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.159 American to be president of an Ivy League University apparently 249 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:04.879 produced a report on Brown's shameful reliance on money that 250 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.600 had been earned from the slave trade. Right, and you are, now, 251 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.679 as a Brown student, obliged to read the Ruth Simmons 252 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.360 report before you come to school. And then I guess, 253 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.360 you know, you know, beat yourself with a palm frond 254 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.279 or whatever for the sin of going to the school 255 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.720 that was built on the back again once again. They 256 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.679 could give it back, or they could, you know, if 257 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.759 they want to pay reparations. They got an endowment, go 258 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.960 go pay reparations. Like I I, that's not my business 259 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:38.120 the private institution. But walking through the Ruth Simmons Quad, 260 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.600 there is a sign and the sign has an arrow 261 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.080 pointing to the symbolic slave garden. 262 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.279 What wow. 263 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:53.559 I don't know if you know this, but you know, 264 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.480 can be quite hard to cultivate, but apparently symbolic slaves 265 00:14:58.519 --> 00:14:59.840 are really delicious. 266 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.639 Yeah, well, you want to eat local, you gotta or. 267 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.679 Or or they bloom, you know, they bloom in interesting ways. 268 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.120 You know, maybe in the spring you have to plant 269 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.399 them now, let them let them sort of get through 270 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.720 the tough winter. The symbolic slave garden. I don't know, 271 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.840 what it's symbolic. I didn't get to go into it 272 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.000 because we were passing by, not going through. But so 273 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.679 the symbolic slave garden the acknowledgment both indicate a level 274 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:39.720 of virtue signaling that I think is typifies why Donald 275 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:44.399 Trump they win the election in twelve days and that's 276 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:45.240 all I got for you. 277 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:46.840 I like that. 278 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:52.440 I think that it's the symbolic. It's a symbolic garden 279 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.480 for a symbolic feeling. 280 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:00.120 Yeah, the symbolic how does it modify the slave for 281 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.440 the gardener? Not? I know, That's what I'm saying. A 282 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.240 garden is either real or I suppose you could have 283 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.799 The Garden of Eden is presumably symbolic. 284 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.960 Yeah, I'm gonna say the garden of symbolic slaves really creepy, 285 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.480 extra vibe Mary. 286 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.440 It's sort of like Poultergeist. It's like, you build this garden, 287 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:25.919 what did you do with the what did you do 288 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:26.600 with the people? 289 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.679 I would just like to talk to the person who 290 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.480 who had to dig it and planted, who I I 291 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.919 think probably has a tenuous connection to the studies at 292 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.600 Brown and it probably is more often than not appalled 293 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:46.200 at what he or she sees. 294 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.120 Brown would be if it was an unpaid intern. 295 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.159 Yeah, of course. First, if I were really really going 296 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.440 to go politically and correct, I could say that, you know, 297 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.000 in the garden, they grow a lot of corn, but 298 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:10.119 we call it maize. Right. So but in terms of 299 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.359 beautiful colleges, it's it's pretty beautiful. I'm Colgate, Yeah, up 300 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.359 State New York, stunningly beautiful. 301 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.920 Well, I mean, I mean, if if a college campus 302 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:25.000 is not beautiful in mid to late October, don't go well. 303 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.039 I mean New England, a New England college campus that's 304 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.519 over one hundred and fifty years old. If it's not pretty, 305 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:31.599 they should just shut it down. 306 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:33.559 Yeah. Yeah. 307 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:35.319 It kind of reminds me like whenever I would visit 308 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.160 my daughter in summer camp. She went to summer camp 309 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.160 in Maine, and it's like this very camp Walden. It's 310 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.960 like where the parent Trap original camp was, and it's 311 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.039 over one hundred years old, and every time I visit it, 312 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.759 I would always be like, you know, the best real 313 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.960 estate advice you can get is, if you're buying real estate, 314 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.160 do it one hundred years ago. 315 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:59.960 Yeah, because like it is really just a fantastic piece 316 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.839 a land. And if you but you can't can't do 317 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:03.480 that today. 318 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:05.640 And like, but all those college campuses, I mean, I 319 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.079 I used to do a lot more college speaking, so 320 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.039 I've been to like Boden and all those kinds of things. 321 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:12.559 All of them. 322 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.799 Are are super pretty. I can't say that all of them. 323 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:17.319 I don't want to speak with too broad a brush, 324 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:19.160 but I can't say that all of the students at 325 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.319 all of those kinds of schools are all equally impressive. 326 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.279 I think there's a lot more variation than, certainly than 327 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:29.400 some of those schools would like you to discuss. 328 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.839 So it's not like Lake Wobbegone Right, where all the 329 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.880 children are above average. 330 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.599 Like that is that I would always say. 331 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:38.640 Lived experience, I would. 332 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:46.000 I would also say that despite their youth, uh many, 333 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.960 if not most, of the students at those campuses are 334 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:54.799 not attractive enough to be there in that setting. 335 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.960 They are not pharma pharmacological ad quality. 336 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.000 They are notesthtically pleasing. They are not. They are not, 337 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:03.880 and it's too bad. 338 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.160 They So they are not Ryan O'Neill and Ali McGrath. 339 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.759 No, they need to dress better, they need to spend 340 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.759 a little bit more time, you know, just put themselves 341 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.599 together before they leave the dorm or wherever they're they're staying, 342 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.039 or they're you know, they're polycule. 343 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:16.240 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how 344 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.799 the young people live, but they It does. 345 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.359 Seem to me that just walking down I live, I 346 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.240 live a little bit from a from a. I mean, 347 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.279 I'm walking through a universal, big university campus every day. 348 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.680 You know, hey, come on, look at the look at 349 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:32.519 the trees and the buildings. Don't you think you need 350 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:33.480 to step it up a little bit? 351 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.319 Just I would just like to say, that's the important point. Jonah, 352 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.200 this is you. You bring up an important point, which 353 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.559 is it? I'm not I don't focus on on on 354 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.720 the on the women or the girls or what they're wearing, 355 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:51.039 because I'm not struck by it. What I'm struck by 356 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:59.759 is this is the sartorial style of the male upper 357 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.839 future leader of America between the ages of like eighteen 358 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:09.480 and twenty two. Now, I dressed like crap in college. 359 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.279 I'm not going to tell you otherwise. I bought clothing 360 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:16.039 at the Woolworths in the Hyde Park shopping center. I 361 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.480 would buy flannel shirts that cost seven dollars, you know, 362 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.480 when I needed clothing and that sort of thing I 363 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:28.000 mean and jeans. I'm not praising my own forty five 364 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:31.960 year old look back in the late seventies and early eighties, 365 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:38.440 but they really do all look like their seven. And 366 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:44.680 the mail this thing about the thing going around in 367 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.960 marking the anniversary of October seventh, and people are saying 368 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.200 in Israel that, you know, one of the things that 369 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.480 happened on October seventh when the Nova Music the massacre 370 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:00.480 at the Nova Music Fessel happened, is that way fewer 371 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.519 people died that might have died otherwise, because all the 372 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:07.720 kids who were at the Nova Music Festival were veterans, 373 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.079 had been in the IDF and knew how to defend 374 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.319 themselves and had training. And there's an astonishing story about 375 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.880 the kid who was in a shelter with Hirsch goolber 376 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.759 poland the one who was just executed was one of 377 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:26.599 the six executed in September. And this kid's name was Honor, 378 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.519 and they they were in a he and Hirschgelberg and 379 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.240 others were in this shelter and Hamas kept throwing in 380 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.720 opening the door and throwing in a hand grenade, and 381 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.279 this kid, Honor would pick up the hand grenade, open 382 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.799 the door, and throw it back out at them. And 383 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:48.000 this happened seven times until Hamas realized that they were 384 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:49.000 not going to succeed. 385 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:58.480 Seven times the seven times wisn took. I mean, you 386 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.279 think that after the first time they would have figured 387 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.039 it out, but I guess they weren't just sending their best. 388 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:04.440 But get this kid. So this kid was level heading 389 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:06.119 a kid. I don't know how old he was, twenty 390 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.279 twenty one, but he had been through this experience, right. 391 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.559 So all these nova they were there at a rave 392 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:17.319 basically right, but they were had been through the Israeli 393 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.839 military and they are now in the Israeli military now. 394 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.440 And I have this this kind of weird feeling experience. 395 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:28.319 It's like you walk around these campuses and I wasn't 396 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.680 in the military. I wasn't you know, I wasn't conscripted. 397 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.039 I'm not talking about that, but man, there is an 398 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:39.559 age there is some kind of age life gap that 399 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.839 is very disheartening, it seems to me when you're talking 400 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:44.160 about it. 401 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.640