WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.759 Hey everybody, Jim Cummings here. Welcome to my podcast, tuned 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.200 In with Jim Cummings. We have a great guest for 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:10.080 you today, but before we get to that, make sure 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:14.880 you like and subscribe. Our podcast has partnered with the 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.960 largest comic con in North America, fan Expo, the Juggernaut. 6 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:24.239 We're touring all over North America live, so get your 7 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:27.239 tickets and come be a part of the live audience. 8 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:31.480 It'll be fun. Go to FANEXPOHQ dot com for the tickets. 9 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.840 We'll see you in a city near you or a 10 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:37.359 little bit away, but you can drive. 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It's me Tigger I am 22 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:16.920 Duc Wayne Duck. 23 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.000 It's me Bunkers keep Bobcat. 24 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:20.000 All right, y'all? 25 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:20.560 Did it great? 26 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.439 Your favorite firefly you desire? 27 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.599 Hold no old knock guy. 28 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.920 My name is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned In. 29 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:31.920 Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Tuned In with 30 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.400 Jim Cummings. I am producer Chris, joined as always by 31 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.079 the legend himself, mister Jim Cummings. How are you doing today, sir, 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:38.280 and good morning to you. 33 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.640 It's yet another day in paradise. 34 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.000 It sure is. It's true. 35 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.000 We have a very special guest for you today. But 36 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.599 before we get to that, I just want to make 37 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.719 some quick announcements. If you didn't know what, we're doing 38 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.560 the podcast live in partnership with fan Expo this year, 39 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.000 that's right. You can actually come and see us record 40 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.120 the podcast live. And it's been going great, hasn't it. 41 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:57.959 Yes, it has. 42 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.920 I really had a ball. Yeah, like the energy that 43 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.439 it brings when you do it live. It's it's a 44 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:04.480 little different. We still try and you know, keep the 45 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.719 same format, but you know, when there's audience engagement, you 46 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.800 guys can come up and ask questions and everything like that. 47 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:10.439 It's been cool. 48 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.240 We just did the cast of Ed, Ed and Nettie 49 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.039 Yes on Philadelphia this past weekend. 50 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.319 It was very rewarding, it was. It was there's some 51 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.680 funny beds. Yeah, a lot of special Ed, well, including 52 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.080 you because you know Ed and the Wyan King. Well 53 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.520 that's true. Yeah, that's true. I forgot about that. 54 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.280 Wow. Four heads, four heads on one stage. You got 55 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:32.000 to check it out. 56 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.680 And I'll just give you the dates for the rest 57 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.719 of the year, with more to be added to be sure. 58 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.319 But the next one coming up is in Chicago Fan 59 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:45.319 Expo August fourteenth to the sixteenth. Following that is Toronto 60 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.759 August twenty seventh to the thirtieth, followed by Dallas September 61 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.319 eleventh to thirteenth, and San Francisco November twenty seventh to 62 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:56.719 the twenty ninth. Be there, Yes, if you want to 63 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.319 get tickets, you can go to Fanexpo HQ dot com. 64 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.879 You can find all the information there and there's more 65 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:03.960 dates to be added, possibly Anaheim in a couple of 66 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.319 weeks here, possibly Anaheim. So check that out all right, 67 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.360 without further ado, Our guest today is a very talented 68 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.879 man on camera actor, voice actor as well I think 69 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.039 you have made You may have had more voices in 70 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:19.719 Star Wars than any other actor. 71 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:21.919 I don't know if that's true. 72 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:25.719 There's so many, there's yeah, there's a few, but I 73 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:27.400 mean there are a lot of people who have a few. 74 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:34.080 Yes, well you have more than James Earl Jones, Hamil 75 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.680 guys right right, Well, Hammil's been around as well. 76 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.039 He hides his voice in certain Star Wars. Yes, he's 77 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:41.960 in there. Oh yeah, but before we get into it, 78 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.319 let me at least say your name, the incredibly. 79 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.280 Talented sam Way where it joins us today. Thank you 80 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.159 so much for being here. 81 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.639 Thank you very much, Thank you. How are you doing today? 82 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:51.439 Doing good? Doing? All right? 83 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.680 I was driving around Los Angeles and I was like, 84 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.280 you know, I was a little bright, and I was 85 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.080 a little bit like, I want this drive to be cool. 86 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.879 So I put on the bever the Hills Cop soundtrack 87 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.680 and l A is never cooler when you're driving around without. 88 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:11.560 Yeah, that's true. Was that the Neutron Dance was that? Well, 89 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:13.759 there was that. I didn't go as far as Neutron Dance. 90 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.479 You know where I was living. I was living in 91 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:25.959 the in this sort of action beat that you know, 92 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:28.959 so like you know when when Addie Murphy is sneaking. 93 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.560 Around and checking coffee grounds and all this stuff. Oh yeah, 94 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.959 that's what I was doing. I was running my errands. 95 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.240 But like very it was very intense, very. 96 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.120 Cool, you know, just trying to make l a cool. 97 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.000 Yeah, well it's working. Yeah, thank you job. 98 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.360 By the way, it's much cooler now that you appreciate 99 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.360 you started this campaign. Yeah yeah, yeah, Derek carrs and 100 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.160 letters into saying. 101 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.240 What Beverly Hills. That's that's all. 102 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.439 You just need the Beverly Hills Cops soundtrack and your 103 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.040 LA can be as cool as mine. 104 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.879 Speaking of cool, one cool thing I learned about you, 105 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.439 and I was doing my research for this episode, is 106 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:04.639 that you're in a band called the crash Tomes. 107 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:05.639 Yeah. 108 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.639 Yeah, maybe not as cool as Beverly Hill's Cup, but yeah, 109 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:09.199 it's kind of fun. 110 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.040 What instrument do you play or do you sing? A 111 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:12.399 little bit? All everything? 112 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.720 I sing, and then I play all the instruments except 113 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.360 for drums. For that I have a buddy named Tim 114 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:21.920 Hibben who is my drummer. And yeah, so we record 115 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.160 music when there was time. Unfortunately there has not been 116 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.120 a lot of time recently, but there will be there. 117 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.680 Always is is in this business. Well, that means you're busy. 118 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.800 Yeah, we like busy, We like busy, we do like busy. 119 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.480 But then when we're busy we go only I could 120 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:38.439 be not so busy. And then when we're not busy, 121 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.920 we go, God, what is going on? 122 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:41.800 Yeah? Right? 123 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:42.959 Yeah? 124 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:45.759 Do you have that that actors thing? You get done? 125 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.439 You wrap one series, you wrap one, shoot, you wrap one, 126 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:53.800 this that recording session and go oh and now what 127 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.480 I mean you're dug in? Oh no, that guy you're there. 128 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.079 I'm the guy who whenever you're in a set or 129 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.639 whether you're in a studio recording whatever. 130 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.399 And people are like, hey, what's what's next for you? 131 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:10.240 And I'm the guy who goes nothing, yeah, and then 132 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.439 the day that ends, there will there. I'm sometimes lucky 133 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.759 enough to there to be a next thing. I just 134 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.199 never know what it is until I do it. So, 135 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.639 so what's what'sn't as if as if there are actors 136 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.519 out there who have this vast planned out thing. 137 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:25.160 I find myself to be. 138 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.439 At least for the past few years, it has been 139 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.480 wall to wall, but never in a way that I 140 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.319 can predict, you know, like soever, what's next? 141 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.560 For you, I'm like, I think I'm unemployed. 142 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.079 I think that's when people pull out the old. You know, 143 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.839 I got some projects coming up, but I can't talk about. 144 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:47.000 Them because they don't know about them. I don't have them. 145 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:49.959 I have not gotten hired. 146 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.199 But you know, yeah I got all this talk about it. 147 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.959 But it's always I'm always gratified when that's true. Every 148 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.959 now and then that's true. You know, like they had 149 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.160 this thing for Hondo and Knockout wasn't allowed by Star 150 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.680 Wars guy. Yeah, I wasn't supposed to talk about it, 151 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.399 and all I did was talk about it everybody and 152 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:11.199 that I could. 153 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:12.879 That didn't make you sign an NBA. 154 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.879 Yeah, they just didn't know I did. But yeah it 155 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.920 didn't work apparently. Yeah, well I could still speak. 156 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:21.199 You just for for Honda. 157 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.160 You just did a whole refresh on the on the right. 158 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.319 Yeah, yeah, that'll be cool. I like to see that. 159 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:29.240 I have you. 160 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.720 What do you think about that ride when you see well, 161 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.680 not just the ride, but I mean being part of 162 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.920 that whole universe because you're all over Oh, that's got 163 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:38.399 to be great. 164 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.800 I'm a huge Star Wars fan, me too. For me, 165 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.519 I'm just like, yeah, sure, I'll do stuff. 166 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:45.920 Yeah. 167 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.120 Yeah, doing my research on you, I'm like, I was 168 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:49.959 intimidated because I was like, I don't even know if 169 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.000 I can talk about Star Wars, Like You're just gonna 170 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.639 correct me on everything. Oh I'm not that kind, No, 171 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.000 but you really are, Like you know so much about 172 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.600 Star Wars it's actually so cool. And I a story 173 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:05.800 about you, like literally like correcting you know the oh 174 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:06.399 I'm going to. 175 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.120 Yes. Much is made of that story. 176 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.160 This is something that me and Ashley Eckstein, I think, 177 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.759 talked about years and years ago, and and what needs 178 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.879 the context that people need is that Dave has corrected 179 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:24.079 me countless times. So the story needs to be recontextualized 180 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:27.000 as like, yeah, I got him once. Yeah, I'm very 181 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:28.560 proud of that I got him once, but he got 182 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:29.720 me a million times. 183 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:31.560 Telling her this story for the. 184 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:38.559 I assume you mean the incredible Dave Colonel Delayed Delon. 185 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.679 Yes, thank you. Yeah. What happened was it was the 186 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:42.240 first time. 187 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.120 I was working on Star Wars project for him, and 188 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.000 there was this wonderful scene between uh Anakin Skywalker and 189 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.080 the ghost of his mother, Shmi Skywalker, and he says 190 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.600 to her, I have a wife. 191 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.279 I want you to meet her. And they did this 192 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.919 wonderful take and was about to move on, and I 193 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:01.519 raised my hand. 194 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.600 I didn't know David, I didn't know any of these actors, 195 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.279 and I was the new guy, so I said, hey, 196 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:12.639 I padme and Shmi met in Phantom Menace. I don't 197 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.080 think he would say I want you to meet her. 198 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:20.080 He'd say something else. And Dave was like, of course 199 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:20.759 they did. 200 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.360 Because the thing is, you're moving so fast on these things. 201 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.919 This's a thing that fans don't understand, is that when 202 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.679 you are going that fast and you haven't had a 203 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.279 lot of sleep and you're. 204 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.120 Moving, you're moving, You're moving like everything. 205 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.480 You know, whenever they I'll see some criticism of something 206 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.120 and I'll be like, I happen to know other people 207 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:42.519 that did that and they had no time or resources 208 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:42.879 to do that. 209 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:43.480 You never do. 210 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:49.960 Yeah, So this this, you know, this continuity error would 211 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:54.320 have he would have discovered it, you know, ten minutes 212 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:55.080 after he got back. 213 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:56.919 To Northern California and be like, oh man, what was 214 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:57.200 I thinking? 215 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.559 You know, like is there are these are scripts that 216 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:01.759 were given him that was the newest version of the script, 217 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.279 this and that he was powering through it that morning 218 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:05.399 and going okay, let's direct this. 219 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.559 I've made the same types of mistakes. I've made some. 220 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.879 Really like, you know, if they let me do what 221 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:14.679 I wanted to do, it would have been a disaster. 222 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.279 Then Brad raw or Dave Filoni or Matt mcdevitz would 223 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.120 say like, no, no, no, no no. When we did 224 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.240 maul in the episode, you know, this episode and this 225 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.080 season four, yeah, this is what we establish. 226 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:26.639 I'm like, right, of course, of course, you know. 227 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:31.200 So it's a vast continuity and everyone is working really 228 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:32.960 really fast, and the best you can hope for is 229 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.120 that you just have a bunch of people around you 230 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.120 are going to watch your back. 231 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.840 Yeah, yeah, well he does, he does, Yeah, he does. Well. 232 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.720 I bring that up as a compliment to you, because 233 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.240 if you're not a fan, you would have never noticed that. 234 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:44.840 You know, if you were just in there, you know, 235 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:46.679 for the paycheck or the job or whatever, if you 236 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.600 weren't really invested in the universe of Star Wars, then. 237 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:51.519 Most likely you wouldn't have noticed. 238 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:54.919 My theory is that's why Dave liked having me around, 239 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.600 because he's like, oh, he's a fellow nerd. 240 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.080 He really likes this, you know. 241 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.679 But he Yeah, there is no one that I know 242 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.840 of that knows Star Wars. 243 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.279 Better than him. That's right. It's very impairing because he 244 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.159 would do these things. 245 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.600 You'd get ready for a record, and you remember this, 246 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.679 stand up in front of the cast, because oftentimes sometimes 247 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:17.679 you show up at a job and they give you 248 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.279 your lines and like say these and. 249 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.039 You're like, great, what does this mean? What does anything? 250 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:25.039 I'll just just say it in context. Ye say the words. 251 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.159 You got to have context. 252 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.679 Yeah, Dave would never do that to us. 253 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.080 Dave would stand up and he would perform like a 254 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:36.000 Star Wars monologue, describing exactly who these characters are, what 255 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.799 they want, what are you doing, what's your your purpose 256 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.480 in this story? Why is this story important for young 257 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.919 people today? What does George want to get out of 258 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.159 this story? What does George want from your character? And 259 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.840 he would just weave this extraordinarily exciting narrative right in 260 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:51.440 front of you that by the time he was done, 261 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.519 we were like, oh my god, let's record. We're so excited. 262 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.000 You just get everyone so excited about. 263 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.960 What we were doing, get very passionate. Did you have 264 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:00.799 that experience, Jim, Yeah. 265 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.960 Yeah, he's well, he's extremely thorough like you were saying. 266 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.600 He h you know, he say, well, of course, now 267 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.720 you're gonna be going down and you're going to be seeing, 268 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.639 you know, two wookies, not Chewbaca, not that these particular 269 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.200 guys are from the southern side of you know. 270 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:19.759 And I'm going, okay, and and I don't I don't, 271 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:20.080 you know. 272 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.120 I took from it what I could because half the 273 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.600 stuff I didn't know what he was talking about was 274 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.679 I was just so impressed with when somebody's that into 275 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.000 something and they have all that in depth knowledge and 276 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:36.200 they impart that to you. And then what's nice is, 277 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.440 you know, Dave has his counterparts in the audience that 278 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.919 because you go to conventions and you know, I'm sure 279 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.840 you know you've had the same experience like well in 280 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.200 the fourteenth episode, in the second chapter of the fourteenth 281 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.720 on Paige, I don't know what page was on in 282 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.000 the script, but did you really mean that? And I'll say, 283 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.960 what the hell are you talking? Sure, yeah, I didn't 284 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.559 know what they're talking about, you know, but I don't 285 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:04.120 you bet you? 286 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.360 And I really I admire that. 287 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.519 I admire that attention to detail because God is in 288 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:10.240 the details. 289 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:15.440 Yeah, right, And it's not only detail, it's enthusiasm. He 290 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.679 has an infectious enthusiasm for Star Wars. 291 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:18.399 Oh yeah. 292 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.960 And so when he would get into those I mean, dude, 293 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.000 I was shooting some show that I will not name 294 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.120 because they wouldn't answer a single question about what my 295 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.279 role was, why was I there, what was this meant 296 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.120 to be? And what does any of this mean? 297 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.440 Which is not that usual. 298 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.360 I've been lucky to work with people who will actually 299 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.559 answer those questions and be like, Oh, he wants to 300 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:42.360 get in, he wants to do a good job, so 301 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.159 let's talk about this. So I was on this show 302 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:47.039 and they would just like say the words. The words 303 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.559 seemed utterly inconsistent. They didn't, you know, And nothing really 304 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.240 gelled for me on that. And then I remember flying 305 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.559 home because Dave needed three pickup lines for me for 306 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:01.519 the finale of Clone Wars. And he walks out of 307 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.440 the booth or the behind the glass and he goes, Okay, Sam, 308 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.519 So where we last because we'd already recorded this episode, 309 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:08.879 so you'll remember when we. 310 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:09.639 Last left off. 311 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.960 Your character's going through this, he's having these nightmares, he's 312 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.399 doing these and he just goes into this huge Star 313 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.240 Wars monologue to prepare me for three pickup lines. And 314 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.320 let me tell you, there was no once he did 315 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:23.200 your prep for you. 316 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.039 It's he didn't have to prep at all. You were 317 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:25.639 just excited. 318 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.480 You knew exactly what he was aiming for, and he 319 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.600 was excited to be there. You were excited to be there, 320 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.720 and those lines for Star Wars fans out there, that's 321 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:39.000 what resulted because we then started riffing on something and 322 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:40.759 then me and Dave came up with the whole you're 323 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.200 all going to burn, we're all going to die. You 324 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:44.720 don't know what you're doing. 325 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.679 It's all trying to be the guy. And Body Snatcher 326 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:51.279 has been like your next, they're here, you're next. Oh yes, yeah. 327 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:52.799 He has a moment like that in the end of 328 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.679 the Far Wars where he's trying to warn everyone that 329 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:55.759 the end of the world is coming. 330 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.159 But that level of excitement was. 331 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:03.000 Gifted to me me by our director Dave Filoni. So 332 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.879 I truly love the way he does that. 333 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave, if you're out there, 334 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.600 we love you and miss you. 335 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:16.159 Hire us again. He's not busy at all. Yeah, to 336 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:17.840 watch imagine. 337 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.360 We'll sentially since you mentioned Maul you've been playing that character, 338 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.200 voicing that character for fifteen years now, fifteen or sixteen, 339 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.720 fifteen or sixteen years, and now you have the new 340 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.000 show that just came out. Mall, shadow Lord, did you 341 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.279 bring any new aspects to this character this time around? 342 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.120 I better have if we're gonna do him after fifteen 343 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:38.559 sixteen years, we're gonna do him again. 344 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.600 Yeah, better have a lot of new aspects, you know. 345 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.480 That's that's certainly what I've been aiming for the whole time, 346 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:46.720 and what we what I. 347 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.159 Hope we're continuing to him for with this character. 348 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.840 Nice, you know, because it's it's with these characters, whether 349 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:55.320 it's Hondo or Mal or any of these characters, it's like, 350 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:59.279 you don't unless it's a fun little cameo. You can 351 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.600 get away with some stuff there, but if you're going 352 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.480 to put them front and center, you'd better learn something 353 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.120 new about them otherwise why are you doing it. It's 354 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:13.080 like when Hondo was with the kids and the younglings 355 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.320 and you find out this guy's got a heart, this 356 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:20.159 guy's there's some empathy there, he just keeps it covered up. Yeah, 357 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:22.639 And when I saw that, I was like, yes, of 358 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.639 course it would almost not be worth having Hondo here 359 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.120 if you weren't going to discover something surprising about the character. 360 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.039 So yeah, well I thank you for putting that out. 361 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.639 Yeah that Yeah, he's one of my favorite all time guys. 362 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.039 Did you ever have like for me when when I 363 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.639 read long, long time ago they were sending out these 364 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:49.840 breakdowns and blah blah blah, and and I just remember 365 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:53.679 reading for him and and I thought, Okay, I really 366 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.960 really really want to be this guy because he's not 367 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:01.559 a good guy, and he's not a bad guy, and 368 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.919 he's right there and and he skates around in the 369 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.759 middle there, and he's like a sort of a paladin, 370 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:11.200 sort of a you know, people have compared him to 371 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.880 Captain Jack Sparrow, which I think, I mean, not not vocally, 372 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.799 I would think, but he's a scoundrel, but he's a 373 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:21.640 good scoundrel. 374 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.440 He's self serving, self serving, but still with like a 375 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.400 good heart, you know. Yeah, he still knows what's morally 376 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.200 right from wrong. He knows what he's doing wrong. Yeah 377 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.240 he knows, he that exactly. 378 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:35.559 But you know, he's the kind of a guy who 379 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:38.519 there's a certain robin Hood aspect to him. 380 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:38.839 You know. 381 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.960 He Yes, I am a thief, huh. 382 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.240 And I'm really good at it, so how about that. 383 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.160 But on the other hand, I won't steal from your grandma, 384 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:48.559 right right. 385 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:50.559 I'll never forget Hondo. 386 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.559 When Mall and Hondo had a run in, Yeah, and 387 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.319 he had this one wonderful line read where. 388 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.319 I had commandeered some of your men and they were 389 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:01.119 working for me, and. 390 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.400 You said, oh you you've done this thing. Oh you 391 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:12.880 you betrayed me. I'm so proud. Yeah, yeah, betrayed. It 392 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.759 was like, get me wrong, Yeah, but he screwed me. 393 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:18.559 But a pretty good job, right yeah? 394 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.400 Oh yeah, that's right. Well I like that. 395 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.400 I like that aspect of him, kind of kind of rewarding. 396 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.720 And do you when you see yourself, when you hear 397 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.839 yourself this, is there a part of you that squirms 398 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.200 a bit in anticipation because I get a little of 399 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.720 that every now and then. Of course, I've been doing 400 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.400 it for so long. I'm okay with it. 401 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.920 But but you're on camera as well, And do you 402 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.680 did you ever? You said you hate it? You really? 403 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:47.480 I do? You? 404 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.000 Just look he's coming. 405 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.920 I know I don't even want to that's true. No, 406 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.440 I I love doing it. I love telling the stories. 407 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.440 I love also using whatever tools I have at my 408 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.960 disposal to tell the story. I don't know that I 409 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.519 always enjoy watching it when it comes to the. 410 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.799 Vocals, well, this look you look like a rock star, 411 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.039 a star. 412 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.400 Looks like you're and you're sitting there like, yeah, I really. 413 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.119 Can't stand it because I mean, after all, oh shut 414 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.880 up and get over you know. 415 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.400 It's it's well, but you know you it's it's all 416 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.279 kinds of things. That's maybe you don't like something about 417 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:25.960 how you look, but it's also you don't like something. 418 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:26.480 About how you. 419 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.559 Perform or behave, or you're like, what the hell am 420 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:32.720 I doing with my hand there? 421 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:33.680 What is that? You know? 422 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.680 Like, so you know, and and it's not about with 423 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.519 any of these things. It's not about having control for 424 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.519 me over the craft. It's just I then have to 425 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.680 confront what did I want to do versus what did 426 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.920 I actually do? And the good news and the thing 427 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.000 I always tell my friends is I'm like, the audience 428 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:51.200 doesn't know what you want to do. 429 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:52.319 They only know what you did. 430 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.119 So if they enjoyed it and you got it done, 431 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:59.240 mission accomplished, put it away. However, it is hard to 432 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.519 you are I am confronting with that every time you're like, 433 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.680 it's gone for that. But was the story told? Was 434 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.119 it sort of told? Okay, it's told, Okay, I'll move on, 435 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:10.519 I'll move you know. 436 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.640 So it's that. But with the vocal thing, I think 437 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:16.200 Mall is. 438 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.839 So far away from my speaking voice that I almost 439 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:20.720 don't recognize them. 440 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.079 So I can watch Mall. 441 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.799 And and maybe enjoy it more just as a fan, 442 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:28.440 just be like, oh, look at starth Maul. 443 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.839 I like that character. Oh yeah, yeah, that's good. Can 444 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:36.640 you give us a little for the kids we need 445 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:42.920 to gain Honda, Yes, we do. Yes, thank you for 446 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:48.559 using my character's name in there. Problem. The characters are 447 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:49.400 so interesting. 448 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.640 What was it like to see Hondo as an animatronic 449 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:55.000 oh figure. 450 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:56.240 Yeah, wow, that's a good question. 451 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:56.839 You know. 452 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:01.359 I I remember doing it, and and I've told this before. 453 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:07.359 They they invited me over to imagineering Hisney imagineering, and 454 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.119 and uh they're just kind of walking me through this 455 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:13.079 incredible storyboard and it looked like what they do for 456 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.039 a movie. And I go and and I said, so 457 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.599 I was told that this is all on spec and 458 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.880 you're not doing but look, you did this all this 459 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.720 big rigmarole just for on spec and he goes, wait, wait, 460 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.279 wait explained that what yeah, yeah, and and and that's 461 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:30.599 what he said. 462 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.640 And he and he and I got I forget it 463 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:33.680 was with but he. 464 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.880 Said, oh no, it's halfway done. It's already under construction. 465 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.480 It's being built as we speak. And I go, and 466 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:41.599 you're trying to convince me. 467 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:42.000 To do it. 468 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.200 You you couldn't let me. I would pay you to 469 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.000 do this, could I would? 470 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:47.599 You couldn't. 471 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:50.440 And they think they think that they're pitching you. It's like, 472 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.559 you're not pitching me. I'm dying to do this. 473 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.279 Do you tell them that or do you Yes, I'd 474 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:59.039 like to get my cars close to my chest and 475 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.400 be like, wow, that's right. Interesting. Yeah, I think you're 476 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.839 on the right track there, that's yeah, keep up the 477 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:05.920 good to know. 478 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:09.160 Internally, I'm just yeah, well, I figured I'll let my 479 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.319 agent do the hard arm. 480 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:15.880 Yeah, the hard bargaining stuff, right, Yeah, unbelievable. That's did 481 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:16.200 you ever? 482 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.440 I mean, I remember how old was I was. I 483 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.680 guess I was a teenager when Star Wars first came out. Yeah, 484 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.519 and uh, I just thought it was the coolest damn 485 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.559 thing in the world, because it was the coolest damn 486 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.319 thing in the world, you know, and you know, to 487 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:39.319 finish growing up and and now growing old, but and 488 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:43.759 to be involved, and it is just a kind of 489 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:44.640 a dream come true. 490 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:45.720 And there's a distinction. 491 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:50.240 Also, look any Star Wars, I think is because because 492 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.119 there's a lineage at that company that comes from George. 493 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:56.240 So many of the people that we've worked with were 494 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:58.839 trained by George, and so many the people that work 495 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.759 on these things. Dave Filoni trained by George, but not 496 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:06.240 only him, so many people at that company. He went 497 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.920 to the Lucasfilm Film School with George. But what is interesting, 498 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.279 what is fun, is that the animation division of Lucasfilm 499 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.920 that was created by George, so it became the moment 500 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.480 he did that it became a core part of Star Wars, 501 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.319 and the fact that it is still a core part 502 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:23.839 of Star. 503 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.519 Wars is so incredible. 504 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:28.599 Lucasfilm Animation has been around for twenty years now, and 505 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.480 you know, so we definitely have the fun distinction of 506 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:40.599 having served under George Lucas on his animated show. I 507 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:43.559 just saw this video and I wish they'd made more 508 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:45.519 of these public because they have tons of this footage 509 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.119 and it was George Lucas. Someone was interviewing him and 510 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.640 we'd all seen interviews with George Lucas. He goes, well, 511 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.599 you know, Han Solo is on health and he's trying 512 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:57.400 to figure out how to get the falcon, and. 513 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.079 He'll talk about something that happens in the movie and 514 00:23:59.200 --> 00:23:59.920 a good impression. 515 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:06.119 Yeah, yeah, I saw him discussing. He's like, well, you 516 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:11.000 have to understand that Ventris being a night Sister comes 517 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.279 from the planet Dathamiron, and that's a planet of witches, 518 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.200 and the male female hierarchy is a different type of thing. 519 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.519 They control the magic and the force there. And then 520 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.559 the brother of Darth Maul and he goes into all 521 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:29.720 these details about the Clone Wars, and I'm like, why 522 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.119 didn't they put more of this out there? Because he 523 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.160 was so involved in all those stories. A Hondo is 524 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:39.000 an interesting guy because you know, because I don't know 525 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:40.640 if you ever knew this when he played when they 526 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.160 played the Young Ling arc, they cut together the me 527 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:45.240 into one. 528 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.119 Were you there in the theater when they watched it 529 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.799 with the kids? Oh? With the kids? 530 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:49.640 Oh, I don't think something. 531 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:51.720 There was a presentation at one of the Star Wars 532 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.880 celebrations and they cut together the young ling arc into 533 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:00.400 a movie and they they actually just went to anyone 534 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.559 that had small kids and said, you're invited to an event. 535 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.880 You're invited to an event, and they played it and 536 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.279 no one knows this. This is not of record, but 537 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:09.880 I know this. 538 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.200 George hid in the back watching it with the kids. 539 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.079 How cool is that? 540 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.680 I found out that that that's a common practice, George 541 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.400 or producers and they sneak around and go in the back. 542 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.200 He was in the back. He wanted to watch it 543 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:23.680 with the kids. 544 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.400 He wanted to see what they thought of this of 545 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.839 these younglings trying to traverse the galaxy far far away 546 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.200 with Hondo in the middle of it. 547 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.640 And uh, yeah, well if you didn't know that, you 548 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:35.920 know that. 549 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:36.599 Wow? 550 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.920 Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. So cool. 551 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.960 If you're a fan of everything we do here at 552 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.799 tuned In with Jim Cummings, you could support the show 553 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:50.519 on Patreon for bonus exclusive podcasts, as well as early 554 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.599 in ad free access to the show itself, prize drawings, 555 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.720 and more. You'll feel the difference, so go ahead and 556 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:01.680 join the tuned In family today at patreon dot com 557 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.839 slash Jim Cummings podcast Do It. 558 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:09.799 Now, George, I believe wanted to be an animator, so animation. 559 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.359 I think he went to USC So he's basically a 560 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:14.039 failure animation. 561 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:20.680 Yea, he failed spectacularly. By failing, he changed the world 562 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.240 seven times over. 563 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:28.559 Yes, but you know, it's it is interesting to think 564 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.799 that people like George Lucas or Walt Disney or whomever, 565 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:39.960 animation was a core interest and in fact, when you 566 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.599 watch say the Prequels and stuff, I mean it had 567 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.759 better be a core attress because some of those characters 568 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.440 are in fact animated. 569 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.640 That's what they are. 570 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.680 Yeah, and you know, the large chunk of those prequels 571 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.400 are actually kind of animated films, the clones and the 572 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.400 droids and the features and. 573 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:54.960 All that stuff. 574 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.599 So you know, I never had a chance to ask George, 575 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.240 although I had some nice run ins with him, I 576 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.079 never had a chance to ask him what he loved 577 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.599 about that so much. But but people did sort of 578 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.440 share with me that that for him, who you know, 579 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.519 we had to spend years and years and years making 580 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.039 these films, but with the animated thing, he could put 581 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.240 an idea on the table and within a year start 582 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.839 seeing that be finished. 583 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.559 And that that was I understand, a real thrill for 584 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.039 him and like, wow, look at that. 585 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.319 Yea, yeah, well, I was just about to say that 586 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.799 that makes sense to me because I feel like animation 587 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.599 is like a very direct outlet of your imagination. You know, 588 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.400 even with you know, cameras and different mediums, there's still 589 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.039 you know, the lighting and there's a whole lot of 590 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.200 other factors that you have to consider and able to 591 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.799 in order to be able to bring a vision to light. 592 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:48.119 Yeah. 593 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.880 Yeah, animation is kind of you know, it's like direct 594 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.279 it's a direct link, you know, especially when you're doing 595 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.359 it by hand. Of course, people do it by you know, 596 00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:56.880 computer and everything these days. 597 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:58.720 Our show is all of the above. 598 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.599 You know, the paintings on our show are real Matt 599 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.359 paintings in real life, real paint on you know, canvas 600 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:05.839 or glass. 601 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.079 You're talking about shadow shadow, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 602 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.480 Where our map paintings are real Matt paintings made in 603 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:11.519 the physical world that. 604 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.839 We see that we photograph. 605 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.640 You know that some of the pyro attacks, I pyro 606 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:20.079 effects are I think are there's there's quite a bit 607 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.039 of live action photography that we sneak in their spaceship 608 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:23.400 or two. 609 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:24.359 Uh. 610 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:29.680 And then when it comes to the character animation, they 611 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.240 I'm I'm a. 612 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.440 Consulting producer on the show. 613 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.160 So I get to to flit around like a butterfly 614 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:38.599 between these different. 615 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.640 Divisions and bother them. 616 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.839 And what it's sort of what it's sort of resulted 617 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.839 in is I get to hang out with the animation 618 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.960 department and and and shoot reference. 619 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:49.920 Not with the. 620 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.880 Idea that I would dictate what it is that they're 621 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.079 supposed to do because they've been animating mall for successfully 622 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.119 for fifteen years, but it's throwing more ideas into the 623 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.880 pop Have you thought about this? 624 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.960 And like, you know, I come from live action, so 625 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.640 let's you know. So, so when they they will choose 626 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.119 the scenes, there will be key scenes. 627 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:09.519 They're like, we'd like to know what you would do 628 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:11.400 with this, So they would set me off, they'd give 629 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.440 me direction. They we'd talk it over and they say 630 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.519 we want this, we want that, we want that, and 631 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.000 they'd show me the animatic and then. 632 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.279 I'll show out we will shoot. 633 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.319 Reference and and what's fun is is how they mix 634 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.279 and match. I'll be watching them all performance and be like, oh, 635 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:29.880 that little thing he did with his eyes right there, 636 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.039 that was something that we came up with when we 637 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.000 were doing that reference. Okay, now that's interesting. Oh they 638 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.079 did a really cool thing there. Oh that's totally different. Okay, 639 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.559 there there's a little thing that we've thought. So it's 640 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:40.519 just adding more. 641 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.319 Ideas to the nice. Well that's nice. Well God is 642 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.240 into details, right sort of, I mean kind of. 643 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.680 Yeah, that's that's Everyone on that show has been thinking 644 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:52.559 way outside the box in terms of how we make 645 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.119 that wow so so. 646 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.440 Well and then and then you reap the harvest. 647 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.160 It's a beautiful thing. 648 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.599 Yeah, when it works, it's it's a it's a great thing. 649 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.440 It's just you know, with Star Wars, the standard is 650 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.079 sky high, so you feel like there's a pressure there 651 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:13.519 then always yeah, I don't. I never when we were 652 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:18.279 well received, I had to be reminded by our producer, 653 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.079 Athena Portillo, who you probably know from you. 654 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.119 Know, she's our fearless general, and she had to remind. 655 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.799 Everyone like me and Brad raw who is the head 656 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:31.160 of the show, the show runner, you know, filmmaker extraordinary. 657 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.000 He's the Dave Filoni at this show, George Lucas of 658 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:34.440 our show. 659 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.720 And so he hands down the big ideas and then 660 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.240 Brad and his directors implement that, and then the writer. 661 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.160 The writing team is. 662 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.559 Led by Mac mcnivitz, who goes way back with us 663 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.359 with clone wars and all that stuff. But uh, Athena, 664 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:56.440 who's I mean a nuclear power producer. She had to 665 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.200 tell us, certainly tell me more than once. She's like, hey, Sam, 666 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.119 we're airing, and yeah, I understand, we're still working on stuff. 667 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:04.680 Put it away. 668 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.599 Enjoy this, enjoy this, have fun with the fact that 669 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:09.759 people are having fun with this. 670 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.960 And she had to tell me that a few times. 671 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.079 She's like, this is a special thing. Enjoy it. 672 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:17.799 Put your worries aside, and then let's get back to 673 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.960 work some days after we do that. 674 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.359 Yeah. So yeah, But for. 675 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.200 Me, if left to my own devices, I would have 676 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.799 just brooded the whole time. I would have been like, 677 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.359 what we have to do now? In season two? 678 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you ever get that message in 679 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.039 your career? I mean, with so many successful characters, and 680 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.279 I mean you've voiced so many, you know, hundreds of characters, 681 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.359 did you ever have a chance to just like kind 682 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.319 of sit back and be like, yeah, I'm enjoying this 683 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.960 now or was it always just one after another, let's 684 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:48.759 look at the next thing. 685 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.359 Yeah, it's a little of both, it's a little of 686 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.680 both and the thing that kind of turns it around. See, 687 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:59.839 like guys like me, you know us, we spend our 688 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:04.880 life lives most mostly alone in recording studios and uh 689 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.400 and of course with COVID forget it. 690 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.279 But but there'd be a producer, there's the writer, there's 691 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.160 a producer. 692 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.720 And recording engineer. So you don't get the feedback. You 693 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.920 don't get that. It's not like you're in a play. 694 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.279 And and so because you know, you get that automatic feedback, 695 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.759 and that's why that's another thing I like. But going 696 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.279 to conventions, you can see people come up with you know, 697 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.960 in the third episode of The Mask when you were 698 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.279 played the Swedish organ grinder. You know, it's so nice 699 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.119 to know that that there is an impact out there 700 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.960 because you don't get it. 701 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.440 You don't get and. 702 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.799 It's because when you're when you're in a play or 703 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.799 something like that instant feedback. 704 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.039 Oh they laughed, Oh that was great. Old Now they're crying. 705 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.880 And you don't get that, you know, with animation or 706 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.599 or or for that matter, TV. 707 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.599 In general. 708 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.119 You know, you do it, you go home, do you. 709 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.039 Find do you find filming on that boring? I'm an 710 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.279 actor myself. You said, you don't. I know you're being facetious, 711 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.000 but you don't like acting. But I just think it's hard. 712 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.599 You know, I was. I was a theater actor in college. 713 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.440 You know, I really was in love with theater and 714 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.480 being on stage and everything. And I remember when I 715 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.440 got my first TV role. I remember sitting in the 716 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.000 green room like, oh my god, this is just like 717 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.519 waiting all day. Yeah, can we can we do something? 718 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:25.759 Like? 719 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.519 You know, everybody, every team has their turn, you know, 720 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.519 the graps, lighting, camera, get everything set up. Rehearsal is 721 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.720 literally like I mean not every case, but it's like 722 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.799 sitting there reading your size to each other. It's not 723 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:38.599 really performing. 724 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.440 It's Yeah. 725 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:45.160 I've had moments where the tedium made me ask myself 726 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.359 whether I enjoyed it or not. 727 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.920 But I did come to the conclusion that I did. 728 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.839 The the massive professionals that are all doing their job 729 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.200 and creating the image and lighting it and making sure 730 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.079 that there is something really exciting about that energy, and 731 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.680 there is something exciting about the whole Yeah. 732 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.039 Hurry up and wait. You're waiting. You're waiting, you're waiting, 733 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.960 you're waiting, you're waiting, and they're like okay, good, all right, 734 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.559 we need you to cry now show time action Yeah yeah, 735 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.280 oh okay. 736 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.960 And when you see actors that can pull that off 737 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.000 and do whatever performance they need to on like you know, wait. 738 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.639 Wait wait, and now you know, Yeah, it's exciting. 739 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.719 I actually absolutely love being on a set provided it's 740 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:33.639 a good group of people, and I've. 741 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.800 Been it' very It's a challenge, isn't it. Yeah. 742 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.119 I've been lucky to work with mostly really really nice, 743 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.079 great people, and if they're funny, then you're you're dead 744 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.519 because between all the setups, you're just cracking each other up, 745 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.559 you know. I mean those are if you're a regular 746 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.960 on a show those days there's anywhere from sixteen to 747 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.920 eighteen or nineteen hours typically a day. If you're like 748 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.719 one of the leads, you're there every day. So if 749 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.519 you have a good group of people, then at least 750 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.000 you have some sort of social life because you're talking 751 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:07.480 to people. 752 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.079 Wow, there's setups happening, and. 753 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:12.440 Yeah, you're kind of living a little bit of a 754 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.800 life on that stage. But I've done shows that were 755 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:23.760 so all encompassing that my brain identifies the set or 756 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.559 the locations as having really happened and I really like 757 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.920 I kind of was that person. Yeah, on some I 758 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.880 know the difference obviously, but like it's a little bit like, 759 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:35.440 you know, there are certain sets that I'm like, that 760 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.360 was my home lived there. 761 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.320 It's a place that I lived. 762 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:43.000 So I know exactly what you Yeah, I know exactly 763 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.320 what you mean. I worked crew on the CW's Arrow 764 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.360 You're an Arrow, Yeah, for a couple of years, and 765 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.760 it got to the point, you know, we're working You've 766 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.719 worked in Vancouver, you know, on Riverdale and a couple 767 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.760 other series, if I'm not mistaken up in Vancouver, and 768 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.719 everybody knows each other up there, and just to what 769 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.880 you were saying, you know, it becomes such like a family, 770 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.440 Like it's like a work family, but you're there literally, 771 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.159 you know, all day, Like you go home, you sleep, 772 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.360 and then you're back. And we used to refer to, 773 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.760 you know, like, oh, today we're in Felicity's apartment. You know, 774 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.280 it's not Stage A three, you know, it's like we're 775 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.880 in Felicity. Yeah, and then it just kind of like 776 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:23.440 it's that blending of like what you're fantasizing imagining, you know, 777 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:25.159 and what's really. 778 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.280 Very attached to those spaces you know. Yeah, we on 779 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.960 this one show I did called Being Human are set. 780 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.280 Not to spoil it for anyone that watches the show, 781 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.880 but at the end, the place burns down. So I 782 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.079 remember we toured the set after the art department. It 783 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.760 had their way with it where they burned down chunks 784 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.960 of it. There were green screens where you were supposed 785 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.280 to be able to see through the wall and stuff 786 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.000 like that. That was traumatizing to walk through that set 787 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.400 and be like, lived here for years, this was our apartment. 788 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.960 Now it's it's it's burned down. Yeah, and we're going 789 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.159 to shoot some scenes on us burn down set, and 790 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.079 then they're going to take down the burn down set. 791 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:08.679 That was yeah, saugh a little rough, little and that's 792 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:09.639 after how many years? 793 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.679 How many years of that show got four years? 794 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.199 And and those those days were so very long that 795 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.599 we we lived there. They did let us take home 796 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.199 pieces of the set. I have a chair that was 797 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.239 very proudly featured. 798 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.519 In the in the show, and that share is mine now, 799 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.280 so oh that's good. It's not burned down. No, no, 800 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.400 they took it out a yeah, they put some wood 801 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.719 there to represent it. They left, they didn't burn it. 802 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.840 Yeah, but it's I know, I I do love the 803 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.000 live action stuff. And what I don't love. What I 804 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.280 don't I just don't love it is being on the 805 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.760 road all the time. I don't love that. That's that's 806 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:57.079 why I veered more heavily toward voiceover and other entertainment jobs, because, uh, look, 807 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.880 I met a dog and that dog was like, bro, 808 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:00.920 you travel too much. 809 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.039 You know, this dog showed up. 810 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.840 You know, I moved into my house eleven years ago 811 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.719 and this dog turned up in my backyard two months 812 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.320 oh after I moved in and suddenly. 813 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.360 And this was the plan, was, oh, foster this dog 814 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:15.880 or whatever. 815 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.519 But I just I fell in love with him very quickly, 816 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.559 and it took me a while to admit how in 817 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:27.480 love with him I was. And he he's like he 818 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:32.280 was this American bulldog boxer pit bull mix, or perhaps 819 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.719 he was in a Lapaha bulldog. We don't really know. 820 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.960 It's depending on the DNA test. I have no idea 821 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.039 what his history was. But his effect on my life 822 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.079 was he just he just took command in a very 823 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.280 real sense that this dog like he claimed my house. 824 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.320 He made me completely reconceive of my life, being like, hey, 825 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.880 you've you've done all the traveling, been in any city, 826 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.599 but where you live, you know, which is just what 827 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.679 I did for I don't know, a better part of 828 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.280 twenty years. And he's like, don't you think it's kind 829 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.320 of cool to be here in one place, waking up 830 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.159 in the same house, drinking your coffee. 831 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.800 Yeah, and a little kimble being. 832 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:12.800 With my dog, you know yeah? 833 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.199 And he you know, suddenly it was more important to 834 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.039 me to see his face every morning. I did do 835 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.679 a few jobs where I was gone one point better 836 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.519 part of a year, But the part that sucked about 837 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.400 it is like I'd rather be home with my dog, 838 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.880 and then he he rescued another dogs than I had 839 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.400 two dogs, and then eventually three dogs like this guy. Wow, 840 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.320 this guy made all the calls. 841 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.400 And sold them a nagerie. Right. So for me. 842 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.920 It reconceived of my work life balance, really, and so 843 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.440 what I don't what I unabashedly don't like about film 844 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.199 and TV is we don't do it here anymore. If 845 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.440 it was here, yeah, and I could go home to 846 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.159 my dogs, great, and then I would then I'd be like, 847 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.079 I'm going to pursue the hell out of it. But 848 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:01.400 the fact that I've lived in Vancouver. I think three 849 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.440 separate occasions. I've lived in Montreal, I lived, I've. 850 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.480 Shot in every city conceivable. I'm tired of it. I'm 851 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:10.599 tired of all that travel. 852 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.400 Yeah, I always say, I completely agree, like La is 853 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.320 not really like a film and television city city anymore. 854 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:20.000 I really think it's more of like a social media city. 855 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.800 Now, you know, explain it to me, because I don't 856 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.599 know what La is. So yeah, I don't know. I 857 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.079 came to this realization. 858 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.800 I did a little like skit for a YouTube channel 859 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.280 a few years ago, and I show up to set 860 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.199 this during COVID. 861 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.199 So yeah, a few years ago. It still counts. 862 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.719 And I show up and it's an entire sound stage 863 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.159 and I was like, oh, this is interesting. 864 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:46.400 You know. 865 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.880 I thought like maybe they rented out or something. No, 866 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:53.400 this one YouTube channel owned the sound stage just for 867 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.800 their one channel, and that was like eye opening to me. 868 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.800 I was like, oh my god. And then another time, 869 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.960 I'm driving down Sunset Boulevard and I see a billboard 870 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.719 for a YouTube channel and I was like, I've never 871 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.880 seen that before, you know, And you walk down Hollywood Boulevard, 872 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.719 you go to Santa Monica, Venice wherever West Hollywood. You know, 873 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.079 the night scene, it's all influencers, you know, that's like 874 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.360 who's in the VIP this. I mean when I was 875 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.760 a teenager, you know, running around doing my thing in 876 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.239 la like, it was always like actors, you know, it 877 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:26.559 was always actors or musicians. And you know, now you 878 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:28.800 go out at night and you see people you know 879 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.519 doing street interviews and you know, and that's all the 880 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.679 you know, attraction and what people want to be around 881 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.239 and at least in this city in my. 882 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.280 Opinion, Yeah, but it's so true, and it's something that 883 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.880 wasn't even there before. Oh yeah, it's a brand new thing. 884 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.559 I mean, everybody's diving in. Everybody and their dog has 885 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:47.239 a podcast. 886 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:50.280 But then even you know, even further, how I say, 887 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.519 I don't really think it's a film and television city anymore, 888 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.159 is because the only real things that film here are 889 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.239 like the massive budget things you know, with the A listers, 890 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:03.280 either that or Indy you know, very indie, and the 891 00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.679 cost of the permits to film, you know, to be 892 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.360 able to use any any kind of recognizable area in 893 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.000 l A is just shooting, yeah, astronomical and so a 894 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.599 lot of the times, you know, the indie guys are 895 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.880 doing it gorilla style, getting what they can, you know, 896 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.440 to try and put in a friend festival or whatever. 897 00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.880 And then you know, obviously you still have you know, 898 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:26.840 the shows, like what's that Steve Carrell show where they're 899 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.119 on the news. No, no, no, no, it's like the 900 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.159 Morning Report, The Morning Report with a girl from Friends. 901 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:36.960 I'm drying such a blank. 902 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:37.840 We're doing great. 903 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.639 And the girl from Friends, Yes, Jennifer Aniston. 904 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.000 Yeah, yeah, they filmed that. Like that's what I'm saying. 905 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.239 Good for them. Man, I'm glad someone is shooting here. 906 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.480 I mean, I just I'm I'm kind of deeply resentful 907 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.679 about it at this point because it's like when I 908 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.360 first I moved here for this mm hmm, isn't that 909 00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.679 it whack? This year we're talking about like we flew 910 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.440 in and we saw blankets of stub over the city, right, 911 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.159 and we put up with the time that it took, 912 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.599 and then the city cleared up and the smog went away. 913 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.400 But so did the movies. Yeah, what the I mean? 914 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.480 I coincidza, dude, Maybe the movies make smuck. Yeah exactly. 915 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.960 We need tax credits, that's what we need. Everybody just 916 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.440 goes wherever the tax credits are. 917 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.280 I'm I'm actively angry about it, because the thing is 918 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.199 is that I mean I got the I when I 919 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:26.679 was conceiving of being an actor. 920 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.599 The idea was I would live in Los Angeles and 921 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:30.320 maybe go from show to show. 922 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.960 And I had that experience for just a few short years, 923 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.639 and then suddenly I was in anywhere. 924 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.199 But Ella, when did you get that urge in you, 925 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.880 as like in your childhood or adolescence. When did you 926 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:42.639 know that you wanted to do that. 927 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.920 I did plays and stuff when I was in high school, 928 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:49.679 but I never took it seriously. I was always like, 929 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:56.159 it's for fun. I was coerced into auditioning for Juilliard 930 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.760 and that's what gave me the first idea of about, Okay, 931 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.480 well maybe there's something that I can pursue here. 932 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:02.880 Well you must have impressed somebody. 933 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.119 Well, I think the reason I got in is that 934 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.360 I wasn't trying to impress anyone. 935 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.079 I guess I was like, I'm just some kid, what 936 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:11.119 are we doing here? You know? 937 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.320 I had like long hair. I think that irreverence got 938 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.679 me got me far. But you know, when I eventually 939 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.519 was like after I was invited. 940 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.960 To leave Juilliard after two years, and I accepted their invite. 941 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.880 Uh huh, you're invited to I was invited to leave, 942 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:29.559 and I accepted. 943 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:34.559 Yes, I had to go to Chicago and seek out 944 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.880 camera classes because I knew that I didn't know a 945 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.480 damn thing about it acting in front. 946 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:38.800 Of a camera. 947 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.920 And and that's when I was like, yeah, I want 948 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.159 to go to LA I want to I wanna. Really 949 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.280 my ambition was to just like, maybe I can guess 950 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:48.400 on a bunch of different shows. 951 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:49.960 That was all I thought might happen. 952 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.119 And that took me a while, but I started living 953 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.320 that life and it was great. I was, you know, 954 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.079 affordable rent, and you would get a job and you'd 955 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.199 go like, dude, I just paid three months rent with 956 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.480 this job and expenses and utilities. 957 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.920 That's that. I just bought myself three more months of 958 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.159 auditioning for the next job or then maybe the next job. 959 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.559 You're like, oh my god, that that was three or 960 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:20.920 four or five more months rent. 961 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.360 But also, this show airs all the time. I'm going 962 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.079 to get residuals that are going to keep me alive 963 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.960 a little bit longer. 964 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.079 And just kept stringing hope to hope to hope. 965 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:33.480 I think it. 966 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.519 Sucks that that there's no central location where actors can 967 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.840 do that anymore. I think that's I also think that 968 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.800 the city has become ridiculously expensive, and. 969 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.920 So you are right about that. 970 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.039 So when you say, like, oh, it's really a social 971 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.840 media city, I'm like, tell me about what LA is, because, 972 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.559 like I said. 973 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.480 I'm playing the Beverly Hell's Cop soundtrack just to try 974 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.000 to give it some shape, just to it's fine. What 975 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.360 it is for myself is this is it? Jim. 976 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.840 I think you've said the same thing about voiceover as well. 977 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.760 You know, it's yeah, you know, I mean we've had 978 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.280 so many people on this podcast alone where you know, 979 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.119 we're all talking about recording, you know, just all in 980 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.800 this area in Burbank. You know, you guys are sharing 981 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.639 memories of studios that you all used to check out. 982 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.840 In here by the way. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so 983 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:18.920 voice cross paths. 984 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.280 But I mean voiceover is also moved in a very 985 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.519 similar direction where you know, it's it's like a give 986 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.440 and take, you know, it's it's it broadens the opportunity 987 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.480 for people outside of LA, you know, to be able 988 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.480 to participate in this industry. What you know, you can 989 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.519 audition from wherever. You can record voices from wherever. Yeah, 990 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.360 but also it increases the amount of competition, right, yes. 991 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.480 I agree. 992 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:48.280 But you know, I remember, you know, I had this 993 00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.239 place in Missouri and I couldn't I couldn't spend much 994 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.119 time there because there was no isd in line, there 995 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.719 was no record there was no recording facilities there. 996 00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:58.920 Well, now you can. 997 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:03.079 You can carry arounding that shaycase or a gym bag 998 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:04.519 and you there's your studio. 999 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.239 So you know, I'll take it. I love that part. 1000 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.000 Would you rather be in Missouri? 1001 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.679 Yes, Well, it was a lot of fun. 1002 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.280 Well, it was this big, huge acreage and there's three 1003 00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.199 lakes and a lot of fish and a lot of 1004 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.519 deer and where the deer in the envelope play, that's 1005 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.039 they're playing there, and so you know, that's that was 1006 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:29.559 just kind of heavenly. 1007 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.519 We're actually stopped in. 1008 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.519 For a visit just just recently, and it was very rewarding. 1009 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.559 You know, there's a lot of life out See. The 1010 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.639 thing about California is the weather. 1011 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.199 Yeah, I mean, my gosh, is that why people come here? Well? 1012 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.679 I think, well it's why. Yeah, that's why they stay. 1013 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:51.559 And all you have to do is like I'm I'm 1014 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.360 born and raised in Youngstown, Ohio. If all I need 1015 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:57.800 to do to reaffirm my love for California is to 1016 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.880 go to Youngstown, Ohio in January. 1017 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.440 So you hate winters, well, I get. 1018 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:08.440 It, But if you're not skiing in it, what's the point. 1019 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.639 I mean, you know, make one snow man, got it, 1020 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:13.119 got that out of the way. 1021 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.320 Maybe a snow angel. Maybe a snow angel. 1022 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.480 But only if you fall down and you're already on 1023 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.320 the ground, So you might as well make it there. 1024 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.679 You might as well make it work. But no, I 1025 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.800 like to visit snow. I don't like snow to visit me. Interesting, see, 1026 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:29.920 I become a wither snob. 1027 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.440 I guess I don't know. I grew up in a 1028 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:32.880 suburb of Chicago, so I know. 1029 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.920 Oh, well, you understand the concept, but weirdly, and tell 1030 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.719 me if I'm out of my mind, you're out of 1031 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.440 your mind. But also tell me if I'm wrong about this. 1032 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:43.719 I kind of miss it. I missed seasons. 1033 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.639 Oh yeah, you know now I do miss the seasons, 1034 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:48.039 you know, spring and fall. 1035 00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.360 Oh my god, I love it. Yeah, incredible. 1036 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.760 Yeah, And I bet you did the same thing when 1037 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.440 you know you're in third grade, there was this thing 1038 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.079 that when the leaves started to turn, you had to 1039 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.840 go out and pick out a really, really good one, 1040 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.800 then take it back home, put it on wax paper, 1041 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.440 then you fold it over very carefully. Then you put 1042 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.760 a towel on top of that, and then you iron it, 1043 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:14.960 or you have your mom iron it, and then you 1044 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.039 take it to school. Look that mine's orange and yellow. 1045 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.159 And it was, it was, It was wonderful. And I 1046 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.039 do miss the fall because just driving around through Milk 1047 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.920 Creek Park for those of you who know where that is, 1048 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.440 both of you, and it was just I missed the seasons. 1049 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.039 I just don't want to be forced to sit and 1050 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:36.840 snow all day. 1051 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:38.280 Yeah, that's all. Well. 1052 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.159 When I moved here as a kid, it was a 1053 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.119 culture shock to me to not have seasons. I grew 1054 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.679 up in Vancouver, and when I first moved here, I 1055 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.840 was I remember telling one of my friends. I was like, 1056 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.920 I didn't know this place was a desert and they 1057 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.000 started laughing and they were like, this isn't a desert. 1058 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.039 Like look at all the you know, the trees and 1059 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.840 the grass. I was like, that's all irrigating, Like that's 1060 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.119 not naturally growing. Yeah, and the other thing that culture 1061 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.880 shocked me was the Christmas lights with like no weather. 1062 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.880 It was like sunny and like people putting Christmas lights 1063 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.199 and snow snowmen out on their I was just like, 1064 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.559 that's kind of weird, Like why are you putting a 1065 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:17.280 snowman up? 1066 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.519 Like there's no snow here. 1067 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.360 If you're a fan of everything we do here at 1068 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.199 tuned In with Jim Cummings, you could support the show 1069 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:29.920 on Patreon for bonus exclusive podcasts, as well as early 1070 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.000 in ad free access to the show itself, prize drawings, 1071 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.119 and more. You'll feel the difference, So go ahead and 1072 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:41.079 join the tuned in family today at patreon dot com 1073 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.079 slash Jim Cummings podcast. 1074 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.840 Do it Now. I grew up in a sort of 1075 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.639 John Hughes territory. That's where's that. Well. He went to 1076 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.679 a high school called Glenbrook. 1077 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.079 North in Northbrook, and I was one town over at 1078 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.800 Glenbrook South being gle and so, and I knew a 1079 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.239 lot of the kids that know, our high schools were 1080 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.880 sister high schools. So if you think about Home Alone 1081 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.239 or Ferris Peeler's Day Office, you know, Sixteen Candles, any 1082 00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:13.920 of those movies they were all shot around there. So 1083 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.800 that's sort of that's what it looked like, you know, 1084 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.199 when I grew up. So when when a John Hughes 1085 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.679 movie came out, I helped the breakfast club. High school 1086 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.079 is within a mile of the house that I grew 1087 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.039 up in. Oh yeah, it's like a police station hour 1088 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.159 or something. But it's yeah. 1089 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.760 I you'd see those movies and I'm like, yeah, that's 1090 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.480 that's life, that's how it goes. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1091 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.039 but but yeah, I do miss the seasons because I 1092 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:46.159 felt like feelings felt different in every different season. Yeah yeah, 1093 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.880 I think so, Like you know, name and emotion. 1094 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.559 There's a variety for that in fall, in winter, in 1095 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.840 summer and spring, and. 1096 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:56.719 Plus the smells. 1097 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:57.880 I love this, you know. 1098 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.880 You know, Autumn smells a certain way, not smells like 1099 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.480 bad odor, but it's got its own fragrance. 1100 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.079 And spring yeah obviously you know. So yeah, I know 1101 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.760 what you mean. I know it. 1102 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:11.920 To me, I will say this, if I hadn't grown 1103 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:17.079 up in Chicago, I found myself so cold on so 1104 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.239 many sets. For whatever reason, I just the luck of 1105 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.960 the draw. The jobs that I've gotten, they're like, hey, 1106 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.440 you're you're gonna you know, it's like Vancouver. 1107 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.280 Yea, Vancouver. Who I am in Vancouver, And They're like, 1108 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.079 we cleared out this patch of street. 1109 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.559 You'll be laying there naked and we're gonna get all 1110 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.360 these shots and I'd just be shivering the whole time. 1111 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.800 Or like I remember this one time where we were 1112 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.360 shooting something and there's all this snow, and then they 1113 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.039 but it was supposed to be not at that time 1114 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.519 of the year, so they cleared out an area the 1115 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.199 alley and pretended it was warm and pretended it was warm. 1116 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.480 And I'm wearing like a button down shirt. Yeah, And 1117 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.760 I'd never been so cold in my life. And I 1118 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.599 remember thinking like, wait a second, hold on, but I'm 1119 00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.280 from Chicago. 1120 00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.320 I should be able to weather this. 1121 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.400 And I was like, wait, no, in Chicago, I spent 1122 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.239 most of my time in the winter indoors, not outside, not. 1123 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:07.440 For fifteen hours. 1124 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.360 Yeah, And so I remember drawing a bath for myself afterward, 1125 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:13.920 so cold, and I'm laying in the. 1126 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.400 Bath and it's it's like four am or five am. 1127 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.199 I've gotten home. I'm in the bath and eventually I'm like, 1128 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:20.599 something's wrong. I feel the water. 1129 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.880 I'm like the water's cold, and the reason it was 1130 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.159 cold is my body had leashed all the heat. 1131 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:28.159 My body was an ice cube. So I had to 1132 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.760 get rid of all the water, draw another bath. Oh Jesus, 1133 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.000 because it had gotten in there. It was so yeah, 1134 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:36.039 I know what you mean. 1135 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.360 It was just defrosting. 1136 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.920 Oh god, it was Yeah. I know what you mean 1137 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.840 by it can be unpleasant, But yes it can if. 1138 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.920 You have heating, if you're lucky enough to do that. 1139 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:49.559 I think there's something wonderful about coming out from the 1140 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:50.840 cold into a. 1141 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.320 Warm house or apartment and I'm like, oh h how's 1142 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.920 it going beating? Oh god? You all you know been 1143 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:57.519 from Mixtent. 1144 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.199 I can remember going down and stoking because we had 1145 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.000 a coal furnace when I was We little took years 1146 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:04.519 and then all of a sudden we had this magic 1147 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.559 gas furnace that produced heat. 1148 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:09.280 But you would have to go down and. 1149 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.920 Boy, we're boring the hell out of certain people like that, 1150 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.320 and you'd have to get to shake the thing to 1151 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:18.599 get the clunkers out because the coal would not cut you. 1152 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.079 Guys don't even know what that hell I'm talking about. 1153 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.199 But the coal doesn't burn completely. It just get turns 1154 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.719 into clinkers, and then you got to grind those up, 1155 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.480 let those fall, put in more coal, and then you 1156 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.360 go stand over the heater and you burn your feet. 1157 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.360 And when your feet are burning, you have to leave. 1158 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.000 So it's either you're freezing your ass off or being burnt. 1159 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:40.079 Okay, so you see, I maybe this is why I 1160 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:41.920 liked winter. I didn't have the coal experience. 1161 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:47.119 And oh yeah, I there was heating, it was eating. 1162 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.519 Have to worry about. 1163 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.239 It always a good thing. The only thing we had 1164 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.920 to really do is just like make sure the water 1165 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:53.800 is running a little bit of the pipes, don't freeze. 1166 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.760 Oh yeah, there's that, I remember that. Ye. 1167 00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:59.400 So, but maybe what if I you know, the interesting 1168 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.920 thing is I've I've I played with in my head, 1169 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.360 like what if I moved back to Chicago and see 1170 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.719 if I could work remotely. 1171 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:04.880 Or something like that. 1172 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.760 And I wonder if I went back, if I would 1173 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.840 just be like, oh, I'm a whimp. I can't handle 1174 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.880 this because I used to. I used to when I 1175 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.480 was in school in New York. We would be going 1176 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.519 from building the building and we were doing movement classes 1177 00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:19.639 and voices, speech. 1178 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:19.760 All the stuff. 1179 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.320 So we were always like in sweatpants and like a 1180 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.039 tank top or like we were in pajamas the whole time. 1181 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.079 But my classmates would put on their jackets when they 1182 00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.000 would move between buildings, and I would just be going 1183 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.199 and I'd be wearing like just a tank top, and they're. 1184 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.639 Like, how are you it's it's it's there's snow. How 1185 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:36.719 are you so okay with this? 1186 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.199 I'm like, I'm only outside for a lot from that 1187 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.079 building of this building is four minutes walk. 1188 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.239 It's not a big deal, but you get past the 1189 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.920 threshold of you know, stay out there for twenty minutes, 1190 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:49.079 and these kids twenty minutes. 1191 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.360 They're from Florida, so they really don't know what they're about. 1192 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.039 That's right. And so I had some resistance, but I 1193 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:56.440 wonder if I still have the resistance. 1194 00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.880 Yeah, yeah, I have a resistance to going going there. 1195 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.239 You've built up a resistance to no, I'm not doing that. 1196 00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:03.880 Yes. 1197 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.719 Well, we've talked about voiceover, We've talked about on camera work. 1198 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:11.800 Another aspect of performance that you're familiar with is motion capture, 1199 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:13.840 which is kind of new to this whole, you know, 1200 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.000 entertainment industry. And you did a great job. I'm days gone, 1201 00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:19.400 Oh thank you. Yes, it's a very good game. Underrated 1202 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:20.280 game in my opinion. 1203 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.199 I'll tell you, you know, we talk about cons and 1204 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.039 stuff like that. That game broke through. So many people 1205 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.920 want to talk about that game. So whether whatever the 1206 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.719 media narrative is, you as it. When we do jobs, 1207 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.920 you lay out the pictures from all the jobs. You 1208 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.559 learn real quick what's broken through and what happened, and 1209 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.360 what people care about, what people have remember years later 1210 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:45.159 all that stuff. 1211 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:45.960 Day's gone. 1212 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.440 Is one of those people all want to bring their 1213 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:54.880 game or they bring the stuff. You know, it's yeah, yeah, 1214 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:59.800 the we're talking about, you know, like I guess the 1215 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.000 half the life, the whatever, what are we're talking about. 1216 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.639 I think if there's there's one thing I'd love to 1217 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.119 bring up is the fact that all of those performers 1218 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.679 in that game, if you look at IMDb, their their 1219 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.119 voice credits, and it's like, well, that's not the totality 1220 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.440 of what they did. We shot all of that, right, 1221 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.000 you know, we shot for four years and and those 1222 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:26.400 performers all delivered really really good everything performances. Their faces 1223 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.679 there there you know, everything is that you're wearing a 1224 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:33.000 helmet with a camera on your face. Yeah, you got 1225 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:37.559 the dots on the suit and you have a microphone. 1226 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.480 So that you're sorry interrupt. Was that your first experience 1227 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:41.039 with motion. 1228 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:47.679 Capture performance performance capture? Yeah, it is not. I don't remember, no, no, 1229 00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.719 I guess my first experience with that type of thing 1230 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:51.760 would have been the Force on Leash. So, oh, there 1231 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.840 you go in two thousand and seven. 1232 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:56.880 Very primitive by today's standards, but that's what they were doing. 1233 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.039 And it was this weird thing where they were like 1234 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.119 casting for a Star Wars video game, but they wanted 1235 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.239 my headshot, my resume and all this and real and 1236 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.159 I'm like, why why. 1237 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.159 Would you need my real and because they're like, well, they're. 1238 00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:12.400 Going to make it look like the actors and they're 1239 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:17.360 going to use performance capture to capture the performances. 1240 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.920 And that's the theory. The theory is is and I'd 1241 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.119 never this was like maybe the first time. 1242 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.880 It's had ever really been done in video games to 1243 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.039 do it all the time now, but they're like, our 1244 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.280 theory is is that the actors are linked with their likenesses, 1245 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.440 are linked with their movements or linked with everything, so 1246 00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.719 we're going to try to bring that actor more more 1247 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.199 into the process. 1248 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:36.639 Yeah. 1249 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.119 So I'm very grateful that they did that because that 1250 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.119 was my intro to Star Wars on that did. 1251 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.159 You ever work with David Collins? With David Collins. 1252 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.760 Voice actor but also sound designer, musician, I don't think so. Yeah, 1253 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.039 he was the in fact, you know what I'm going 1254 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.360 to say, I'm going to venture to guess. I'm certain 1255 00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:01.119 he's probably directed you. Oh, he's He was working at 1256 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.840 Lucas Arts at the time as and he was the 1257 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:07.079 lead sound Unforced Unleashed. But he also he snuck my 1258 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.599 headshot under the pile so that I get an audition. 1259 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:14.519 Wow, Okay, let's go Dave. Yeah. Yeah, And he's on 1260 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.440 Shadow Lord. 1261 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.840 He's the lead sound there. He's also a character, he's Spybot. 1262 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.000 He's the way the jerk droid who Maul loves very much. 1263 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.599 So yeah, wow. Anyway, friends are important in this industry, Yes, 1264 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:33.440 yes they are. 1265 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:37.320 Yeah, yeah, well you know, I you know, I'm sure 1266 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.239 you know Frank Welker. 1267 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.079 Know of Frank Welker. He certainly I don't know him. 1268 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.079 You know of him very Yeah. 1269 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.840 Well, he's he's an amazing guy and he one of 1270 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.199 the coolest things ever happened to me came directly from him. 1271 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:54.559 He was into he was in for a job for 1272 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.639 a job and he was given it. Hell and he 1273 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.679 and he's known for his sound effects and animal sounds. 1274 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:01.800 I mean, he's. 1275 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:08.239 Everything anything and uh and you know, he said, well, 1276 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:11.280 you know, and he's like the only guy who could 1277 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.960 who would have even thought of doing this, you know. 1278 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.719 And he told him, he goes, well, I'm not that 1279 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.599 I'm really not feeling this. I'm sorry, you know, I 1280 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:26.039 don't think i'm your guy, which it said, no one 1281 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.280 ever and and uh and he said, you know what, 1282 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:32.880 just a shot in the dark hair, Why don't you 1283 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.599 call Jimmy Cummings up see see if get him in here, 1284 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.199 give him a shot and see what happens. 1285 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:39.239 And so they did. 1286 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.519 And I went in there and all I did was 1287 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:47.159 for about an hour or so was laugh and and 1288 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.840 it was for Lion King, Oh my god. 1289 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:53.760 And that's how I got into the Lion King. 1290 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.480 Oh my god. Yeah. 1291 01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.039 And that to you, yeah, he just said, oh and 1292 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.000 and I went, oh, you freaking kidding me. So I 1293 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.599 sent him roses and champagne and just all this, you know, 1294 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:08.800 I mean, it really is one of the things that 1295 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.599 one of the landmarks in my life, in my career. 1296 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.320 Crazy, that's insane, and all I did was laugh. 1297 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.559 That's incredible. Yeah he yeah. 1298 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.440 Oh and it also led because you know, I'm kind 1299 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.159 of known, I guess as a singer. 1300 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:27.199 Without him. 1301 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.480 I also wouldn't be in the soundtrack because I think 1302 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.920 be prepared for Jeremy I see for Thank You Frank again. 1303 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:38.079 Yeah me. Yes. 1304 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.079 For people like me and a lot of the the 1305 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:46.239 younger actors in Clone Wars that our generation, it was 1306 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.400 always a thrill when we would sort of cross paths 1307 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:53.639 with you or Corey Burton or whomever. We would just 1308 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.400 be so I was just like, oh my god, you 1309 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.599 know the real guys are here, you know, because we're 1310 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:05.159 just the pretender kids'ing yet. But I certainly I've snuck 1311 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.960 into I never had an opportunity to sneak into one 1312 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.639 of yours, but I've snuck into sessions with people like 1313 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.280 Corey Burton where I'm just like hiding out in the 1314 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.239 back watching how does he do that? 1315 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:23.599 You know? He's amazing? Yeah, I mean it's it's for me. 1316 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:28.119 The voice acting thing was always like how do you 1317 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:29.800 how do you get into that club? 1318 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:30.880 How do you do that? 1319 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.079 And now now I feel like I'm maybe I'm not 1320 01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:35.159 a voting member of the club. 1321 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.800 But I'm in the club sort of a little bit. 1322 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.360 Oh yeah. 1323 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:45.719 But I was always just so astonished, you know, because 1324 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.400 all of those characters, that's our childhood. Dude, I I 1325 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.559 I adventured with you. 1326 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.679 You were Minsk in Butther's Gate. 1327 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.960 Oh yeah. I spent a lot of a kick out 1328 01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.559 of that that I'm had to hear. 1329 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.840 That for the eyes, Yeah, the ice get the Heapster 1330 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:10.480 of justice. Wow, he's shown up. You know. 1331 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.679 I'm I guess somewhat of a D and D A story, 1332 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:17.760 and I've I've written some books on it. Mink shows 1333 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.000 up and supplemental material for the tabletop game. Really it's 1334 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:28.719 a famous character, but it's it so for for me, 1335 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:34.360 it was always just so very very cool too. To 1336 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.039 see you gentlemen come and go and do whatever. It's 1337 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.559 very very cool. I regret greatly that I I was 1338 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.400 in I think I was in Montreal when we were 1339 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:46.639 doing our episode of Clone War, so I don't think 1340 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.320 I got to actually work across from you, but I 1341 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:52.800 certainly cursed your name in the spirit. 1342 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:58.079 Of you when when Maul was shaking his fist at Hondo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1343 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:00.360 because I knew who I knew your care I knew 1344 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:04.159 exactly who I was dealing with. Yes, you so, but 1345 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:06.519 you know because ultimately, when you do it right, you 1346 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:08.239 have all the actress together, and of. 1347 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.360 Course you bet you know, yeah, I so prefer that, 1348 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:16.840 and you can all kind of tell you can't, you know, yeah, 1349 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.519 when they're when they're all in the room, because otherwise 1350 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.400 you end up doing every line like four times, just 1351 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.760 in case it doesn't fit following the line before, and 1352 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.000 just in case it doesn't fit for setting up the 1353 01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.280 line the next line, so you have to cover all 1354 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.559 the basis. Whereas, if you get which I really love, 1355 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.960 having the whole cast in the one big room, do 1356 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.119 it all together, and it's like doing a play, and 1357 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.199 then it's organic, as they say, it's much more organic. 1358 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:50.400 It just feels better. It does. It's you know, it flows, 1359 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.039 you know, you can just tell I don't know. 1360 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:59.320 It's true, it's true. It's on Shadow Lord. I just 1361 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.360 basically like where we cannot be doing these scenes. I 1362 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:06.280 need Gidy in there to work off of. Otherwise I 1363 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.880 have no idea where this scene's going to go, you know. 1364 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:15.880 And what's interesting with with Shadow Lord because sometimes we 1365 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:17.599 have a bunch of live action actors in it and 1366 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.800 people are flying all over the world and can't always 1367 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.599 get people even even connected remotely, so I end up 1368 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.000 being just the reader. I know, I'm in all of 1369 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:28.800 the sessions, so I know exactly what that actor did, 1370 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.519 so I try to do an approximation of what that 1371 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.519 actor did for the other for some other actor and 1372 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.719 stuff like that. But it's you know, there's no comparison 1373 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:38.440 from when you can have the actors all. 1374 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:39.320 Working together in the room. 1375 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.800 Did you guys get the opportunity to do ensemble for 1376 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:43.440 some of it some. 1377 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:45.920 Of it When we didn't, I try to make up 1378 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.719 with reading with the other actors, but but we did at. 1379 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.320 Times, you know, to do that. Yeah, I'm excited. I 1380 01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:55.239 haven't seen it yet, but I'm excited to check it out. 1381 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:55.880 I hope you like it. 1382 01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.599 We made it with the intention of maybe you don't 1383 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:00.280 know Star Wars. 1384 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.960 That's okay, we got you. We'll explain our version of 1385 01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:04.440 Star Wars. 1386 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.119 One question I wanted to ask you on the subject 1387 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.280 of mal Just the character, was if I'm not mistaken, 1388 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.199 you were the first person to give him a voice 1389 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:16.159 correct incorrect, incorrect. 1390 01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:17.119 Shoot. 1391 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.599 He was voiced by Peter Sarah Finowitz and very well 1392 01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:23.679 by the way, in Star Wars episode one of the 1393 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:25.480 Phantom Matas, he had three lines. 1394 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.400 There wasn't. I don't remember him talking in that. Yes, 1395 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:34.360 my master, he did that. It was as yes, it 1396 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:36.039 was yes mama. No, no, he has one though. There 1397 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:36.960 was one line where. 1398 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.480 He sponsibly populated if the tricks was correct, that will 1399 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:44.320 find them quickly. Master a lasts, we will reveal our song, 1400 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.920 so the Jedi at last, we will have revenge. 1401 01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.920 It's the way that he did it. Peter your checks 1402 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:55.840 in the mail. Yeah, so he that was the building block. 1403 01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.199 That was the foundation for what Mike, So, did you 1404 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.320 work off that voice to develop my character? You needed 1405 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.599 to believe that that was his voice ten years before 1406 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.840 you met him, because he went through a whole awful 1407 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.079 experience for ten years and you meet him ten years older. 1408 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:14.039 So we thought there was some wiggle room there too. 1409 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:15.239 Was he doing time he. 1410 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:19.760 Basically yeah, yeah, doing dirt appeah. 1411 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:25.400 Yeah, so hard time squad. So there needed to be 1412 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.400 a sense that that was his voice when he was 1413 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.599 a young man, and specifically that was. 1414 01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.320 His voice when he was going yes sir, no, sir, 1415 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.960 You know yes sir no, sir, you're just standing on ceremony, 1416 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:39.880 and then me and Dave devised that his actual voice 1417 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.280 that if you get him eating Dorito's and sipping on 1418 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:47.280 a mountain dew in a basement playing contra, he might 1419 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:49.840 be like, oh, come on, this game cheats. You know. 1420 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:53.199 That's a good visual. 1421 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:55.840 Damn your got. 1422 01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:01.119 Very specific there, longing for the basements of my youth. 1423 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:05.400 I suppose did you know you were always going to 1424 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.360 do this? When? When? Did you know? When? Did you know? 1425 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:09.400 That's a better question. 1426 01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.880 Perhaps I wanted to be an actor red, Like I said, 1427 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:16.600 I thought I would just sort of like go from. 1428 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.520 Well, now, wait a second. There was some were you 1429 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.720 eat a lot of plays as a kid, great school 1430 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:21.920 it was, but it was always for fun. I never 1431 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:22.640 took it seriously. 1432 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:27.039 Wow, So it's some But at some point there was, 1433 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:33.560 at some point there was some notion that I would 1434 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.119 because that how did this all work? I guess on 1435 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:39.239 some level I was always I had the belief that 1436 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.680 I'm like, no, I'm going to get some really cool experiences. 1437 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.239 I'll get to do some movies, I'll get to lead 1438 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:47.960 my own show, I'll get to do all these things. 1439 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.399 Somehow those things came to pass. I don't know if 1440 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.439 it was lucky, guess, but certainly luck had a lot 1441 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:57.359 to do with it. I'm not one of those people 1442 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:02.159 who goes, you know, I mean, you know, I worked 1443 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:04.399 really hard and this, and then I just climb the 1444 01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:05.279 ladder and I worked hard. 1445 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.000 But yeah, you think you worked all Yeah, oh, because 1446 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.560 they didn't work hard. No, everyone works hard. Everyone who 1447 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:17.520 gets anywhere works hard. It's just that some people work 1448 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:18.760 hard and then also. 1449 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.439 Get to be lucky. And I'm one of those people. 1450 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:25.159 So I don't I don't take credit for the entirety 1451 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:29.000 of what's happened to me. I've been very, very fortunate 1452 01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:30.279 to be in the right place at the right time. 1453 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.960 It's several Ok, there's nothing wrong with that, you know. 1454 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.680 Harrison Ford, of all people, was asked, he said, what 1455 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:39.399 what do you It was one of those entertainment Tonight 1456 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.960 things and they said, so to what do you contribute? 1457 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.520 I mean, were you just dedicated and this and that? 1458 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:48.840 Because I mean, you know, Indiana. 1459 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.119 Jones Hans, so, oh my god, could could you be 1460 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:51.680 any bigger? 1461 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:54.079 He goes, I was just lucky. 1462 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.439 It was just sucky. What Yeah, that's how he said it. 1463 01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:59.159 It was just lucky. It was in the right place. 1464 01:09:59.199 --> 01:09:59.880 At the right time. 1465 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:06.319 Again, that's charlish and Jordan at the casting office and 1466 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:08.520 George said, hey, Harrison, you want to read for he 1467 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:09.079 and solo? 1468 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.159 And like, what the hell is that? Yeah? He was 1469 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.279 the reader. That's great. He was the reader. 1470 01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:19.840 Yeah, so Mark, Carrie Fisher and Kurt Russell and a 1471 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:22.359 whole bunch of people came in to read for. 1472 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.119 The role, including I think walking. 1473 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:28.560 And and uh and I think Paccino might have even 1474 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:29.119 read for it. 1475 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.920 And oh my god, there's a skit. Yeah, it's a 1476 01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:38.800 skit for you. Okay, So Michael Corleone's here. Great, Yeah, 1477 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:39.680 that's really good. 1478 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:45.239 So so but Harrison Ford was the reader, and and 1479 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.880 it was. It was after a few seconds, I guess, 1480 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.039 after they he'd been reading with various people, They're like, 1481 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.479 we should pair him up with the group of his own, 1482 01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.119 because Lucas wanted to hire a group. These reactors work 1483 01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:00.560 really well together. These reactors work really well together. These 1484 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:04.000 reactors work well together. And and then he paired Harrison 1485 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:08.600 up with Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill, which is, you know, seemed. 1486 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:09.039 To have worked out. 1487 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:14.079 Might be on disres but it's it's rings a bell, fascinating. 1488 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:15.640 That's the way they did it. 1489 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.520 And you know, and they they really those three actors 1490 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.119 just had their their territory. 1491 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:26.239 You know, and and and all three of them, speaking of. 1492 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:30.800 What we're talking about today, had extraordinary vocal mechanisms. And 1493 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.960 you can't you can't tell me that Harrison Ford, even 1494 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.399 though he was born with this amazing mechanism. 1495 01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:40.319 You see what he does with it. You're like, no, 1496 01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.840 that guy knows exactly what he's doing with his voice. 1497 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.960 That's what you know. There's never a moment where you 1498 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:50.720 don't understand Harrison Ford. You know, Cherway, take the professor 1499 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:52.319 in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive. 1500 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.239 You know. He he's you know. 1501 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:59.840 And then Mark Hamill gifted great ear, extraordinary, really good. 1502 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:04.800 And Luke Skywalker's vocal performance is totally underrated because he 1503 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:06.359 goes from you know, but. 1504 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:08.399 I was about to take to take the power converters. 1505 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.479 He goes from that. That's the line I always think of. 1506 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:12.239 That was it was in my head. 1507 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:19.399 Yeah, so you go from that performance to the joker, 1508 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:23.640 I'm not afraid You're weird, and he's he's sort of halfway. 1509 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:28.159 He's springboarded from that. Luke this you know, oh you 1510 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.000 bet I could I'm not such a bad pilot. Stuff. 1511 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:31.479 We have to sit here and listen to. It goes 1512 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.520 from that to I'm not looking for a friend, I'm 1513 01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:35.800 looking for a Jedi master. 1514 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:39.119 A little bit of the kid, but that's different. That's 1515 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.279 an older guy right there. He's been fighting in the 1516 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:43.159 war for a few years. And then you go to 1517 01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:44.000 a return of the Jedi. 1518 01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.079 He goes, soon I will be dead, and you with 1519 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:50.119 me saying to the emperor announcing. 1520 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.000 Like, you know, your over confidence is your weakness, and 1521 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.319 you're just like, this is a guy who knows exactly 1522 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.520 what he's doing in terms of the trajectory of the 1523 01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.439 character of the performance, the physical performance, the voice. Then 1524 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.399 of course you have Carrie Fisher, who has one of 1525 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:09.199 the most epic voices in cinema history, just like who 1526 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:14.520 sounds like that. She just had this extraordinary depth and 1527 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:19.319 gravitas to her voice, and yet she was also, you know, 1528 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:24.960 so charismatic, soft at times, very very driven at times, 1529 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.560 the natural leader of the three, you know, so much 1530 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.199 was just how those actors use their voices, you know, 1531 01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:37.760 And I have this thing with actors where I'm like, 1532 01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:42.960 if you can't do a halfway decent, it doesn't matter 1533 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.359 who you are, just a regular person on the street. 1534 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.840 You'd be like, do Christopher walking. They'd be like, well, 1535 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.239 it's crazy, you know, or they would do some approximation 1536 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:56.039 and they would say it's crazy, you know, you know, wow, 1537 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.079 Yeah it starts off like that. But he always that's 1538 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.319 in the same place. But if you or you know, 1539 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.279 the FBI is going to pay me how to sif 1540 01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.880 you know, like, if you can't do an impression of 1541 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.039 an actor, even a bad one. 1542 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:13.359 It's possible that that's not a very interesting actor. It's possible. 1543 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.239 There are exceptions, people who's you've got something really crazy 1544 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:18.279 going on here or whatever. 1545 01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:21.159 Yeah, but I mean Marty Feldmann eyes. 1546 01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.920 That's right. Maybe not that much, but yeah, a little 1547 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.680 too much character, right, but but no, maybe just the 1548 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:31.159 right amount. 1549 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:38.800 But the actors who have interesting voices, they they give 1550 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:43.079 you something that solidifies them in your brain and and 1551 01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:46.119 and do they bring character to it, which is again 1552 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:51.039 unfortunately a little bit we've swayed too far into the 1553 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:55.560 ultra naturalistic world in terms of film and TV. 1554 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:58.920 Yeah, can tell you how many times, what do you mean, well, 1555 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.520 I know John there, you know. 1556 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:04.199 Yeah, right, they're like just just be man, just be 1557 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:06.359 and then you know, so these people are just stay 1558 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:07.359 in lives like this, and. 1559 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:09.560 Then everyone turns on the subtitles. 1560 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.000 Because they're just talking like this and there's no real 1561 01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.439 voice and there's no real ability, you know, and what 1562 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:15.880 what how? 1563 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.399 How I was trained by my. 1564 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:22.000 Voice and speech teacher for two years was don't think 1565 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:24.760 of it as you're. 1566 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.119 Putting on a voice to be to put on a 1567 01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:28.560 Don't think of it that way. 1568 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.800 Think of it as you really need to get that 1569 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.039 person to understand you right now. You need them to 1570 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:36.880 whatever it is you're trying to get them to do. 1571 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:39.359 You're trying to convince them of something and trying to 1572 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:44.239 express something that's really important to you. And that's why 1573 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:48.239 your character's voice sounds like that, That's what that is. 1574 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:53.439 And so I was always you know, speaking of being human. 1575 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.199 I I the character's voice is not my own, but 1576 01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.439 I'm like, oh, I think he expresses himself like this 1577 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.039 and did it the way that I did it. 1578 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:04.720 But I wish we had more latitude to do that 1579 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:08.319 in film and TV. Where I mean, where's the James 1580 01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:12.119 Cagney's of today? They don't exist? Where's you know? 1581 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:13.479 But I thought that was you? 1582 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:20.840 Yeah, a lot, but you know, it's I there's so 1583 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:23.680 much possible that you could do with film and TV. 1584 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:27.119 There's so much and and because they wanted to be 1585 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.640 so naturalistic, which. 1586 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:32.560 Hey, look go ahead and do that. That's great, But 1587 01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:35.279 does everything have to be like that? You know Orson Wells. 1588 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:38.399 There was this great interview I saw with Orson Wells, 1589 01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:40.079 or maybe I heard it from Rson Wells. 1590 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:41.760 I mean it was remember when he did the War 1591 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.439 of the World's thing. Oh yeah, so yeah, he did 1592 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:47.680 this thing. He did a radio play of War the 1593 01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:49.279 worlds and they played. 1594 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.720 It like the Humanity, the Tripods of la They did 1595 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.640 a sort of faux fake. 1596 01:16:54.880 --> 01:17:00.680 News reporting whoever that was, yeah, of aliens landing the Earth, 1597 01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:04.880 and it was so well done that people it created hysteria. 1598 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.039 People thought they were listening to the radio and there 1599 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:09.840 were news reports of aliens attacking the planet Earth. 1600 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:14.079 And so there are these wonderful Oh there was these 1601 01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:18.560 wonderful energies with Orson Wells where he's just he's well, 1602 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.720 I'm sorry, I truly it wasn't our intention to create 1603 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:25.359 a hysteria. And and you could see that he's sitting there. 1604 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:27.680 You can see that the guy inside him is going, 1605 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:28.840 this is so ridiculous. 1606 01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:32.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys, he said he was really got 1607 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.680 a kick out of it doing it. Probably, yeah, like 1608 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.720 we but but it was, like we said, it was 1609 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:40.439 a radio play. There were even like little station breaks 1610 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:42.560 where we called it the War of the World and 1611 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.079 that's an HG. Wells thing and and okay, so a 1612 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:45.720 bunch of people. 1613 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.119 So you could see that he's he's really trying to 1614 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:52.279 feign as if he's really sorry that people were so upset, 1615 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:54.239 and certainly wasn't our intention. 1616 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.079 We were just trying to it's the young Arsenals. 1617 01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:00.000 Yes, yes, the younger Olsen Wells. 1618 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.000 You know a remote farm. Oh, let me tell you something. 1619 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.640 That was what we did. You know, this is a 1620 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.359 younger Orson Wells and stuff like that. At some point 1621 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:12.239 he bring the mask falls, he gets fed up. 1622 01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:15.720 So sorry, I'm so very very apologetic, and they're like, well, 1623 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.119 aren't you worried, mister Wells, that that when you performed that, 1624 01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:23.000 that it could be mistaken for real life? Are you 1625 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:24.840 worried that I could be mistaken for real life? And 1626 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.520 he's like, well, I should hope not. He's just got angry. 1627 01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.680 I should hope not. I should hope that nothing that 1628 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.079 I do could ever be mistaken for real life, because 1629 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.960 people live real lives. They have a you know, they 1630 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:38.279 go to their jobs, they. 1631 01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:39.119 Have the same thing, and this and that. 1632 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.720 What we're trying to do is something extraordinary, something that 1633 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.560 couldn't happen in real life, something that is so extraordinary 1634 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:46.279 that it's meant to be put in front of you. 1635 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.359 Is a dramatic work because it happened. What we're creating 1636 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:54.640 is something absolutely above and beyond heightened that it's worth 1637 01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.159 telling a story about. So if we're I'm sorry, if 1638 01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.439 we're people are mistaking us for real life, we've really failed. 1639 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:05.119 We've absolutely failed. He's just like, he's like. 1640 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:08.239 You know, but I love that point the point of 1641 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:11.720 view of like, no, Like, if we're telling a story, 1642 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.920 shouldn't We're not going to tell the story about a 1643 01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:17.239 guy eating cereal and that's it. 1644 01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.600 Something extraordinary has to happen in order for that. 1645 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:23.319 To be worth telling a story that's so true. So 1646 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:24.600 so that's where I come from. 1647 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:29.239 I often I've had directors have to, you know, maybe 1648 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:30.520 pull me back a little bit. 1649 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.279 You know, And and look, I really do love the 1650 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:38.000 very internal subtle I love that I've done that. I 1651 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.520 became good at that. But I'm I'll tell you what 1652 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.520 I'd like to do is like look at Christopher Lloyd's career. 1653 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.439 Look at what he did, you know, like back to 1654 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:50.880 the future, right the word is. And I've you know, 1655 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.680 we've heard interviews. I've even talked to a couple of 1656 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.279 the people that were the leads of that, and and 1657 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:00.279 essentially what you know, Eric Stultz was kind of is 1658 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.520 Marty mcflood right, and what was he well, he was 1659 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.239 playing it very serious, very real, like oh my god, 1660 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.920 what I'm trapped out of time? And then he surrounded 1661 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:13.920 my performances like, oh hey, Biffa, guys, christ why do 1662 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:15.399 you keep following me around? 1663 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:16.840 And you know, a butt head? 1664 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:23.399 And you know, you know, yeah, it's like if that's 1665 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.279 the world you're living, Yes you can be the every man. 1666 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:28.159 Yes you can be kind of smaller, but you'd. 1667 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.960 Better you better keep the laughs going, you better keep 1668 01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.039 the interest in the spark. 1669 01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:37.079 Of this, the neutral in the middle of a scene. 1670 01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:39.479 You don't want to be a hole of energy, you know. 1671 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.039 And I suspect, not that I was there, but I 1672 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.279 suspect that that was the difference in style that caused 1673 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:47.800 them to go, we got to get so I miss 1674 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:49.960 that type of thing, and we get that. One of 1675 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.199 the things I like about voiceover is we get that 1676 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:55.319 in voiceover. You know when we when we did Darth 1677 01:20:55.399 --> 01:21:00.800 Maul for the solo show, I remember Ron Howard and 1678 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.319 you know rightly. So he said, okay, so your you 1679 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:05.359 know the voice for moll it's a little out there. 1680 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:06.319 It's a little out there, and. 1681 01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:08.880 I'm like, it is, but I think that it's that 1682 01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:10.960 it's also Star Wars and he goes interesting, He's like, 1683 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.720 so do you think we do it any different for 1684 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:14.640 this movie. 1685 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:18.920 I'm like, look, look, I don't think so. 1686 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:21.479 I think we do it the same way now now 1687 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.680 mind you, And I said, this is what I'll grant 1688 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:28.079 you because what we had me record the voice. Then 1689 01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:31.520 then Ray Park went and he shot lip syncing me, 1690 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:35.840 and then we recorded the voice again over that, and 1691 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:38.239 and when we recorded the voice it all felt right 1692 01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.359 and I was expressive and stuff like that. Then when 1693 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:42.600 we shot with Ray, He's like, I feel like it's 1694 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:43.840 a little too much. I'm like, I'll tell you why 1695 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.720 it's too much, if you don't mind, Ron, it's because 1696 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:48.319 Ray is really he. 1697 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:51.520 Was like putting in all this physical stuff. That was great, 1698 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.319 by the way, it was really good. If he's going 1699 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:57.359 to go that far and move and this that and do, 1700 01:21:58.159 --> 01:21:58.960 then I am a man. 1701 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.159 I got to match the juice. But I have to 1702 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:06.239 anchor it. Yeah, you know, it's like Patrick Stewart right 1703 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:09.800 sitting there talking like this. Patrick stood, you know that 1704 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:12.520 the first beauty if any staff leet all of a 1705 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:15.640 sudden is to the truth. That works better if he's 1706 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.039 still and the voice does the work right. But if 1707 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:21.319 he's going the first dirty if any stuff. 1708 01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:23.279 Yeah too much. Yeah, it's do smoo Joe for sure. 1709 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.960 However, there are also other actors in opposite they're just 1710 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:27.479 like kind of talking like this, and they're just fucking 1711 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:27.920 I can't. 1712 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.199 I can't believe that you do because their voice is 1713 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:30.840 now anchoring it. 1714 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:34.439 Yeah, Patrick Stewart, he's completely still on his tests. I 1715 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:36.600 will tell you exactly what we're doing, make it so, 1716 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:36.960 you know. 1717 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:37.640 Yes. 1718 01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.199 So with with with the Ray Park thing, the only 1719 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.239 thing I did different was I'm like, no, if Ray 1720 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.920 is the more physical Ray is being, I will anchor 1721 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:48.319 it by keeping the voice steady if he holds. But 1722 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.920 I'm like, but originally there was another they reshot it 1723 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.319 there was originally Ray was perfectly still. 1724 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.560 Oh so when he was perfectly still, I took my voice. 1725 01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.239 You were the directions, and I did this to keep 1726 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.239 it buoyant. Then when he was less still, I kept 1727 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:05.359 it here. You know. 1728 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.960 So that's incredible. I'm curious as an actor myself, how 1729 01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:11.359 much like script analysis do you do to get to 1730 01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:12.119 these points. 1731 01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.359 I'm a little bit of a nerd for this stuff, 1732 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:21.359 you know. It's it's yeah, there's and I'm the first guy, 1733 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.560 like on Shadow Lord, when we're watching a cut, I 1734 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.119 am the first guy to go, I played this whole 1735 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:26.479 thing wrong. 1736 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:28.840 Let me eighty or it not the whole thing wrong, 1737 01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.199 you know, like it should be now that we're seeing it. 1738 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:35.720 It should be this. Yeah, I'm the first guy to 1739 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:36.039 do that. 1740 01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:40.520 Yeah. Well you're not alone with that one. Yeah. Yeah. 1741 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.600 You think, oh god, oh jeez. 1742 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.560 You know you think and then you're guilty. 1743 01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:48.119 I mean, if you think about it, I mean, there's 1744 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.319 three or four ways that any given line, any given 1745 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:54.119 scene can go and still work. 1746 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:55.239 You know. 1747 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:58.600 It's just that and I've I've over the years, I've 1748 01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:02.079 discovered that I it's not that I could have done 1749 01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:05.399 it differently and it would have been better. It's just 1750 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:08.760 that you could have done it differently and just as good, 1751 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:12.359 maybe a little better. But hindsight is twenty twenty. 1752 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:13.279 Yeah. 1753 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.319 Well, so in my case, I feel like I've saved 1754 01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.479 the show from some bad performances. 1755 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:20.560 I mean legitimately where I'm like. 1756 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.680 I don't think that works. I don't think that works. Yeah, 1757 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.119 he's a tough character to nail, especially when he's kind 1758 01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:28.840 of like the central force. 1759 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:29.680 Of the show. 1760 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.039 But you're right, No, you're right, And most of the 1761 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.000 time you're like, no, it's it's good. 1762 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:37.640 It's works. We're not able to ask, but I guess, 1763 01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:39.359 I guess. 1764 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.600 And if everybody else is okay, the directors okay, the 1765 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:47.159 writer's okay, the audience is okay, you know what, Okay, 1766 01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:50.560 let it go. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I guess that's all 1767 01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:51.399 I needed anyway. 1768 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.159 That's right, that's what you were looking for. 1769 01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:54.960 Now, Yeah, but I wanted you to love it for 1770 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:55.920 this reason. Wow. 1771 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:59.800 Well, you know, for me, it's it's it's never about like, 1772 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:03.239 oh I wanted a certain thing. It's it's more like, Okay, 1773 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:07.960 I'll give you an example. In Shadow Lord, I'm gonna 1774 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:11.359 call myself out here. There's this whole thing in episode 1775 01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:14.960 two where he's talking to this character named Devon. Devon 1776 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:17.640 is a young Jedi padawan. He's been living a very 1777 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:21.319 hard life and Maul comes in, going, I see that 1778 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:25.239 you're struggling, and I offer to train you, I offer 1779 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:27.800 to help you. And he has these wonderful lines like, 1780 01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:31.199 you're operating under the premise that I'm somehow the villain here, 1781 01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:32.800 but it's not as simple as good and evil? 1782 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:34.199 How can I prove to you that we're on the 1783 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:34.720 same side? 1784 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.680 And that's a hell of a line, it is, And 1785 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.359 the way that we did it the first time, this 1786 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.359 is absolutely wrong, absolutely wrong. 1787 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.640 Okay, I'll do it for you. Are you ready? 1788 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:49.439 Okay, get ready for the wrong. 1789 01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:53.800 You're operating under the premise that I'm somehow the villain here, 1790 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.359 but it is not as simple as good and evil? 1791 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.760 How can I prove to you the bell I'm the 1792 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:00.479 safe side? 1793 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:06.239 And I was like, how did I ever think that works? 1794 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:10.319 Because Al he's saying he's not the villain, he sure 1795 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:12.640 sounds like the villain to me. Yeah, that's what I was. 1796 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.359 I was like, what am I doing? I I went 1797 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:17.680 to Brad. I'm like Brad Brad, Brad, Brad, what have 1798 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:18.039 I done? 1799 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:21.920 And so we did it again. We did because we 1800 01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:22.359 weren't dude. 1801 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:25.439 We were trying to figure out Yeah, we were trying 1802 01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.359 to figure out who who this character was specifically for 1803 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:28.800 this show. 1804 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.840 So we were bracketing a target, doing kinds of stuff. 1805 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.840 And where we ended up with was, you're operating under 1806 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:35.840 the premise that I'm somehow the villain here, but it's 1807 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:38.319 not as good as it's not as simple as good 1808 01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.159 an evil. How can I prove to you that we 1809 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:44.039 are on the same side, you know, And. 1810 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:45.960 I'm like, no, I buy him now, I buy him 1811 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:47.880 that he's trying to communicate with this person the other one. 1812 01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:52.920 I'm like, what is he doing? He was hiding something, right, 1813 01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.159 like oh mus twisted. Yeah, he's going to say cartoon. 1814 01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:01.399 So yeah, there there are legitimately things that I have 1815 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.960 caught on in my own performance that I'm like, we are. 1816 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.319 I had steered us toward oblivion, and I must now 1817 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:09.159 ask us to do it again. 1818 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.600 So yeah, yeah, well, you don't be too hard on yourself. 1819 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:19.000 It seems to be working out. You know, it can 1820 01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:21.920 always not work out. It can always you can always 1821 01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:22.479 mess it up. 1822 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:25.279 I think if you're a fan of everything we do 1823 01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.319 here at tuned In with Jim Cummings, you could support 1824 01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:32.760 the show on Patreon for bonus exclusive podcasts, as well 1825 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:36.159 as early in ad free access to the show itself, 1826 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:40.159 prize drawings, and more. You'll feel the difference, so go 1827 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:43.720 ahead and join the tuned In family today at patreon 1828 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.840 dot com slash Jim Cummings Podcast. 1829 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:48.000 Do it now? 1830 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:49.279 All right? 1831 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.239 Well, I think we're to the point of the Oh yes, 1832 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:54.720 Oh sorry, I didn't mean so. 1833 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:55.760 I agree. 1834 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.199 I think we're at the point of the show where 1835 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:58.680 we do a little game. I don't know if you 1836 01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.800 know this game or not. It's a little voice swap 1837 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:03.520 that game that we do. If you're up for it, sure, 1838 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:06.800 I'll explain how it works. So Jim will start off 1839 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.439 doing a voice line of one of his characters, let's say, 1840 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.199 like dark Wing Duck you know, I'm the tear of 1841 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.840 their flaps in the night, and then you will repeat 1842 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:17.159 that line but in one of your character voices, so 1843 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:21.239 like Mall or Palpatine or whoever, and then we'll switch 1844 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.199 back and forth a couple of times. If that sounds 1845 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:25.520 good to you, yeah's sound good? 1846 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:28.119 Okay? All right, let's think of a good one here. 1847 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:31.079 Well, why don't we do a Star Wars crossover with 1848 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:32.840 Hondo right right off the back? 1849 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:33.239 Yes? 1850 01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:37.720 Yes, yes, all right, all right, all right, here's here's 1851 01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.159 a Hondo for you. I made not to be as 1852 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:45.479 young as I once was, but I'm older. 1853 01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:48.199 Okay, here we go. 1854 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:52.319 I may not be as young as I once swap, 1855 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.079 but I'm old. 1856 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:02.600 Wow. That was some good cackle work. 1857 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:03.640 Thank you. 1858 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:05.079 You've cackled before. 1859 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.600 I grew up on Transformers, man, Frank Welker. 1860 01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:11.159 Yes, yeah, that's true. 1861 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:16.880 That's told. Is Palpatine? Palpatine's up there? Yeah he is hundreds, right, 1862 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:17.800 he's fifty three. 1863 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:22.239 No, he's God, you know Palpatine. That's a good question. 1864 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:23.920 Is he has he used. 1865 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:28.000 The power of the false who bring his life unnatural length? 1866 01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:29.199 I don't know. I'm not sure. 1867 01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:33.880 Yeah, and I always you know Palpatine. That's there's a 1868 01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:39.279 what is it palpitating? You know, I've often thought that 1869 01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:45.520 George Lucas names his characters after maladies. Oh sure, you 1870 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:50.800 know Han Solo or you know, Flying all by himself. Yeah, 1871 01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:54.239 mal he's got mall built right into it. And Darth 1872 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:57.479 Vader sounds I mean the first time I heard it, 1873 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:01.079 I'm a dark vad, dark invader. What's a nafe dark? 1874 01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.119 And I mean, you know, subconsciously, I think we get those. 1875 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:04.359 You know. 1876 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.840 He never said this, but I've always thought that the 1877 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.840 Sith names were mockeries of who they once were. For example, 1878 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:15.920 Count Dooku, you know, he's. 1879 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:17.920 This, he's this refined man. 1880 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:21.800 Yes, uh, and he's he's a political leader and and 1881 01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:25.199 he says that he wants everything to work out for 1882 01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:26.119 his people and all this. 1883 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.399 Stuff, and and and Palpatin goes. 1884 01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:29.920 No, you're death Tyrannis. 1885 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:35.479 You know, death Tyrannics, You're you're at Tirrant. Actually, screw you. 1886 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:35.760 You know. 1887 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.840 Darth Maul wishes to be this sophisticated like, no, I'm 1888 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:42.439 well read, I'm I'm very smart. 1889 01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:42.800 I'm educated. 1890 01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:45.560 And he's like, no, you're a you're a mall, You're 1891 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.199 a weapon, go and go and be a weapon. You're 1892 01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:51.319 a sledge. Yeah, I don't need you to be all 1893 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.920 of that, you know, And he does, but he's like, yeah, 1894 01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:54.560 but screw you. 1895 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.199 Also there's uh, Darth Vader is the saddest one. He goes, 1896 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:00.720 you are. 1897 01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:05.720 You are the dark Father, and you have no children 1898 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:07.680 because your wife died. 1899 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:09.359 That's what he's doing. 1900 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.880 Never forget you're the father, you're the childless father, and 1901 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:18.199 live with that. That's the the you know, that's going 1902 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.640 to give you the the sadness, the anger that you 1903 01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:23.279 need to do my bidding. 1904 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:23.560 Yeah. 1905 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:28.039 I always felt like Palpatine named his apprentices, or even hell, 1906 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:30.479 it even happened to Palpatine that he's. 1907 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:34.319 He's very refined, and he does all of these things, 1908 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:36.880 and he takes care of these people, and he's a 1909 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:40.119 wonderful publicis as a chancellor of the Grand Public. 1910 01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:44.880 But his master is like, no, you sneaky, you'r darth citious, 1911 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:45.560 you sneak ye? 1912 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.880 Yeah, insidious written right into it. Yeah. 1913 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:54.199 Oh. And then of course his master who used the 1914 01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:56.399 Midichlorians to safe. 1915 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.720 You know, he could keep people alive that he cared about, 1916 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.960 and he was you know, it was all about life 1917 01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:02.680 and keeping the people he cared about alive. 1918 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:05.399 But his name is Plaguis, which is quite the opposite. 1919 01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:07.720 So you're like, so I think that they had a 1920 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:10.600 way of sticking it to their apprentices when they named them. 1921 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.399 I think it's that, you know, can we do another 1922 01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:14.680 voice swap here? Yes? 1923 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.359 Yeah, give me one of your characters one of your lines, 1924 01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:17.880 and one of. 1925 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:19.800 My characters one of my lines. Okay, all right, all right, 1926 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:20.079 all right. 1927 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:27.479 I was robbed of my destiny by the Jedi by 1928 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:29.199 Ubi Wan Canooby. 1929 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.159 I was robbed of my destiny by the Jedi by 1930 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:38.039 Obi one Kanoby. 1931 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:49.520 That was. That's terrific. That's terrific, because don't bother. Okay, 1932 01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:52.359 that really works. I think you have the job man. 1933 01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:55.880 You want to Yeah, like please Winnie. 1934 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:57.800 The Pooh and the Anti Pool. Oh my god, that 1935 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:00.680 would be prollyd there you go. Well, do we have 1936 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:02.399 another one? I don't know. Should we do one more? 1937 01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:05.800 Yeah, let's do one more. Who's like a who's like 1938 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.279 a mumbling character of yours? Because I'm gonna ask you 1939 01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:11.319 to do Deacon Saint John and I feel like a 1940 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:17.520 very a very something that characterizes him a lot in 1941 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:20.520 the Yeah, talking to himself and mumbling. 1942 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:23.239 Well, I don't know, who would you think. 1943 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:25.800 I don't know if I had any true mumblers. I 1944 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:28.760 mean ed, all he did was laugh. Yeah, that's not 1945 01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:30.439 that's well. 1946 01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:35.479 What about trouble that he fumbles? 1947 01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:36.159 Yeah? 1948 01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:41.079 Yeah, well I can't see. 1949 01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:43.079 Yeah, but it's a hard quote. 1950 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:44.680 Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't. 1951 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:49.840 He's not really quotable, you know, he's like, that's tas 1952 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:50.439 like water. 1953 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:53.279 What about like what about bonkers? Like when he gets 1954 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.119 caught up in like a frenzy kind of. 1955 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:57.199 Yeah, that's true, that's true. 1956 01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.720 Uh oh gosh, it doesn't really have it. 1957 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:04.359 He didn't have a good catchphrase. 1958 01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.079 It's always good to have a good catchphrase. 1959 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:12.520 Bonker's de bocat original tune detective. Isn't there one? Yeah? 1960 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:13.880 Yeah, that that could be. 1961 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:15.399 Yeah, that's right. Here we go. 1962 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:20.520 I am Bunkers D Bombcat, the first and only official 1963 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:24.399 tune detective. I started the turn Division of Hollywood PD 1964 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:29.439 in Tonetown. Now you'll never be able to remember that, 1965 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:33.119 and I won't either, But I am Bunker's d Bobcat, 1966 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.840 the first toon detective in Tunetown. 1967 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.279 D Bobka bonkers d. 1968 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:39.399 It stands for. 1969 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:42.720 The you want to miss Deacon. 1970 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:49.039 I'm bonkers, I'm bonkers the Bobcat, the first tone detective 1971 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:50.159 in Tonetown. 1972 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:57.159 Is that? Yeah? That's kind of john. 1973 01:34:57.640 --> 01:34:58.560 Yeah. 1974 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:01.560 One of my favorite things about this podcast and watching 1975 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:04.479 people due not only their voices but impressions, is always 1976 01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:07.880 just the physical transformation of getting into a voice, Like 1977 01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:09.960 how you shifted in everything. 1978 01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:12.600 It's just, you know, it's always so cool to see 1979 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:13.800 with the peakap stuff. 1980 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:17.000 You know, So you're standing there looking like a complete bozo. Yes, 1981 01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:19.319 And I remember the director he said to me. He's like, 1982 01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:22.920 he said, don't stand like that, like why you look 1983 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:27.760 really goofy. And I'm like, look, and I pointed at 1984 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:29.960 the screen and the screen had all his gear and 1985 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:34.880 the biker he's a biker, and he's like, oh, you 1986 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:35.680 actually don't look a. 1987 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:37.720 Look like a tool at all. That looks really good 1988 01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:38.479 on Michael things. 1989 01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.680 I'm just going to try to not be self conscious 1990 01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:42.760 while I'm dressed like a you know, it's shifted in 1991 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:46.279 a spandex suit trying to be a biker. But you know, 1992 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:48.760 like because you could, you know, you could practice the 1993 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.640 swagger in the move while looking at the screen. 1994 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:53.239 But yes, for. 1995 01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:56.119 Anybody who doesn't know they're showing your render to you 1996 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:58.760 on a screen showing a rough version in the stage 1997 01:35:58.840 --> 01:35:59.439 yet Yeah. 1998 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:01.560 And John Garvin, John Garvin. 1999 01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:03.600 Was hilarious on that because he was he'd give the 2000 01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:08.520 kind of direction like, Okay, why did you do it 2001 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:08.760 like that? 2002 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:09.960 Oh? 2003 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:13.239 Perfect? But he was, but he meant he made sincere. 2004 01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:16.039 He meant it. I'm like, oh well, and he's like, no, no, no, no, no. 2005 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:17.359 Explain you weren't being chastised. 2006 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.960 Explain it to me. Yeah, And then we would talk. 2007 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:22.399 He's like, Okay, interesting, I think I needed to do 2008 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:24.039 it like that, but bring a little bit of that 2009 01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.399 into that and do it like that on this line. 2010 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.079 And I'm like, oh, so we had a really successful 2011 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:31.920 working relationship on that, and that's great. 2012 01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:33.680 That really matters, doesn't it. 2013 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:35.520 Yes, so great. That guy was great. 2014 01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:38.199 And at first though he would he would when I 2015 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:41.720 was trying to find Deacon's voice, he was like, I 2016 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.680 sort of did him like this, and he's like, what's 2017 01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.319 what the John Wayne thing? He's like, get rid of it. 2018 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:48.960 He's like, I don't know, figure something else out. So 2019 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:51.720 I actually started just kind of copying him because he's 2020 01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:53.640 from Oregon. It was supposed to take place in Oregon, 2021 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.000 so I sort of I sort of took my voice 2022 01:36:57.039 --> 01:37:00.760 and and kind of copied his dialogue, his hard ours 2023 01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.600 and his you know anyway Oregon. 2024 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:05.600 I didn't even know they had an accent up there. 2025 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:09.760 I just thought they were cold, gorgeous out there. Yeah, 2026 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.600 that's true, that's true. Oh man, very cool man. 2027 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.920 Well, thank you so much for being here. Really appreciate it. 2028 01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:17.640 It's really fun, really fun. 2029 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:21.680 Can you let people know where to where to follow you? What? Yeah? Uh? 2030 01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:26.920 S what we're one on Instagram? Uh? Number one? Or 2031 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:30.800 oh any just one number one? Okay? S what we're 2032 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:34.520 one Instagram? And uh? And I think Sam, would we're 2033 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:37.199 on Twitter? Something like that. 2034 01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:41.439 You're not a fan of yourself, you don't clock it? Okay, yeah, 2035 01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:45.560 yeah understood. I don't like that guy, Yeah understood. Yeah 2036 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:46.239 what am I doing? 2037 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:49.439 Yeah? Yeah? And of course go watch mall shadow Lord 2038 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:52.159 out now the whole season's out of the whole season z. Yeah. 2039 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:55.640 Yeah, wow, that's exciting stuff. Anything coming up that we 2040 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:56.319 can look forward to. 2041 01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:58.960 What do we learn about me? No? No, I mean 2042 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:02.039 I actually actually there are there are some things, but 2043 01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:05.439 who knows, who knows how they go? 2044 01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:07.359 And you know, a friend of mine, you guys is like, 2045 01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:09.479 unless you're eating off the craft service table, you don't know. 2046 01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:15.239 If you have a job, yea, even even then, even then. 2047 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:17.000 That's right, even then they might just cut your part. 2048 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:19.319 Yeah I've felt that before. 2049 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:23.039 Yeah. Yeah, well, thank you so much, thank. 2050 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:26.439 You, thanks for having me man, really appreciate it absolutely. 2051 01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:30.279 Sam witward, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you and thank thank 2052 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:32.520 you guys all out there for watching. 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