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Speaker 1: All right off of a weekend and has seen Alexander

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Ustik do it again and successfully defend his unified and

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as Dan Rayfield likes to say, Lineal Heavyweight Championship, go

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in the Ring Magazine Heavyweight title if you want. He

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won again by decision over Tyson Puriod. We're here to

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recap it on the Fight Preach Night Recap podcast. I

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am he's somewhat competent. Host TJ. Reeves coming to you

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from Big D Dallas, where we're recording the podcast earlier.

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A little bit relative for us on Sunday. My Buccaneers

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are playing the Dallas Cowboys tonight. So we're getting this done,

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getting the full recap in. We got holidays, we got

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Christmas coming, we got making a list, checking it twice.

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I know Rayfield's been naughty, but he's also at times

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been nice in twenty twenty four. That's good, Big Dan.

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How are you feeling as we're ready to go over

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the fight card in Saudi Arabia? Some news and some

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nostalgia here off the weekend listen.

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Speaker 2: It was an interesting fight to discuss, to watch, and

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to discuss a lot of differences from the first five

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between Fury and usik.

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it all right. We're all about it again.

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Help us out on the pod. All right, So let's

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get into it all right. So full disclosure. We were

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traveling while the Undercard was going on two days from

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Tampa Bay and I got here, I got to the hotel.

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I was looking forward to the Moses Atama Co feature fight.

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I got my man Rayfield tweeting they're headed to the

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ring for the CO for the for the CO feature

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that's coming up. And then that was over quickly. Luckily

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I got in, I got set up, and I was

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able to watch the main event in its entirety. All right,

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I have a couple of thoughts about this, but I'll

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tee you up your thoughts as Usik retains, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I always go first, so I'd like

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to hear your take first this time.

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Speaker 1: Really, this is like the holiday spirit.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the giving mood.

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Speaker 1: You're in the giving You're in the giving mood and

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the holiday spirit. I will say this, all right, Usik

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deserves full credit. I agree that I believe it was

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closer than eight to four. It's eight to four on

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all three cards.

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Speaker 2: But can I tell you this, how did you have it?

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Speaker 1: I had it right, I had it right around six

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six or seventy five, something like that. I think eight

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four on all the cards. That is a bit of

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a reach. Now, we like to keep it real on

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the podcast, do we not? You and I This was

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not a memorable fight. Nobody was significant hurt, nobody's knocked down.

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There's no real drama in any of the rounds. I

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didn't think. I don't think that really three years from now,

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much less five years from now or ten years from now,

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we're really gonna talk about the second fight. We'll talk

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more about the first fight because of the significance of

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the four belts, like we've discussed, and the fact that

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Fury was significantly hurt, almost knocked down, clearly on wobbly

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legs in the ninth round of that fight. I'm not

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gonna go down.

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Speaker 2: I did get knocked down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a knockdown because he went into the ropes. Right.

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I'm not gonna go so far as to say boring fight.

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It was not a boring fight. I'm just not a

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memorable There was not a lot memorable from masters. It

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deserves to win, all right, there's my thought. Thank you

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for letting me go first. The floor is yours.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, as far as it not being a

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memorable fight, I get that. And you know, I enjoyed

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the fight intensely. Like if we hadn't seen the first

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fight and this was the first fight, you'd be like, yeah,

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it's not the fight of the year, Okay, fine, but

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it was a very I referred to it as a

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fast paced, tension filled kind of fight. Because it was

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that type of fight where they were basically very aggressive

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from the outset. It may not have developed into like

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an all out slugfest, but I didn't necessarily expect that,

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particularly having the knowledge that they already had been twelve

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rounds with each other and had a little bit of

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an idea of what to expect. But I thought it

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was a highly entertaining fight. I definitely enjoyed it. In

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terms of the scoring, I scored the fight seven rounds

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to five in favorite Usik. That's eight round seven rounds

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of five to one, fifteen to one, thirteen in favor

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of Usik. But in my mind, he was pretty much

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in the second half of the fight, always ahead. So

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if you take a look at the official cards and

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you look at my card, they were even after six rounds,

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it was fifty seven to fifty seven, and Busik basically

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won the rest of the fight. I mean, I understand

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that in the post fight you had, you had Frank Warren,

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Tyson Terry's co promoter, and Tyson Fury, the two of

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them railing against the scoring. Frank Warren in particular talk

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about how I can't believe that they wouldn't give them

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any rounds in the second of the fight had he

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only give them four rounds, Like I have no problem

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with eight to four in that fight, because there were

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some very close rounds. There was nothing, as you mentioned,

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no definitiveness in terms of like knockdowns or you know,

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big moments where there was huge offensive outputs or anything

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like that. But in a fight where most of the

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rounds are somewhat close, even though Usik was probably winning them,

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if you had one where you go the other direction,

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it didn't really seem to be a big deal. So

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you know, as we've discussed probably a thousand times on

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the show here TJ, what do we say the range

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of acceptable scores? So to me, it feels like the

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range of acceptable scores would have been anywhere from eight

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to four to Usik. If you really, really, really, really

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really been over backwards to give it every conceivable possible

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doubt to Tyson Fury, you might be able to come

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up with a draw. I don't agree with that, but

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I could. I wouldn't be like setting my hair on

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fire if you told me you had it, even but

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there's no way in my mind that Tyson Fury was

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the winner, which is what they were saying, you know,

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And I found it amusing in terms of you know,

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and I understand where Frank's coming from. It's emotional. He

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has a lot of time and money and emotion invested

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into Tyson Fury. When he says on his post fight,

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I remember it was on the interview on the broadcast,

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or when I watched the post fight in press coverts, Well,

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we all on the front row had Tyson winning. Well,

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the front row was Frank people, probably George, Bob Aaron

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promoter Bob's So you know, I take that with agree

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to salt.

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Speaker 1: That's like everybody in my house choosing to watch the

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Hallmark Movie channel and saying, hey, the Hallmark Movie Channel's great.

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Just because that's out voting me, that doesn't mean that

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the Hallmark channel is great. All right, now, let me

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ask you.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, I want to say a couple

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more things about the fight itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I want to I want to ask you

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about the scoring, because what what Warren said is and

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he's he's right. One just on this point. One judge

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gave the final seven rounds six through twelve of them,

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two of them Okay, excuse me, he said one two

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of them?

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Speaker 2: Two of them?

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Speaker 1: Did you agree? Do you think that's a little munch

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that Usik won all seven of the remaining rounds. I mean,

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I know what you just said. As a qualifier, they

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were difficult to score.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally didn't give them the last seven rounds

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of the fight. But I can see it now, I

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if you take a look at the well. First of all,

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the judges were in agreement in the fact that two

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judges gave him the final seven rounds, or I'd take

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the uh, I'm looking at the scorecard. Two of the

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judges gave Usik, yeah, like seven through twelve.

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Speaker 1: One of them gave him six through twelve.

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Speaker 2: Am I actually take that back? No, okay, So here's

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the I'm looking at the cards here. Two judges gave

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Usik six through twelve. One judge gave him six through

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twelve minus one round. So they gave Fury one of

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those last seven rounds. So I didn't personally agree with that.

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I actually gave uh Fury the twelfth round, which I

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thought was really close. But I don't. I don't have

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a quarrel. This isn't I mean, look, I mean if

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they were going to be emotional, they're gonna say what

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they want to say. For me, I've seen a million

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fights close. I've seen a million fights that are blots.

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This is not, to me in any way, shape or

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form a controversial decision, and I'm gonna qualify that because

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sometimes people get wrapped up and calling it a a

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a controversial decision because while they may agree with the outcome,

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there's that always that crazy outlier score where you know,

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you know the right guy won, but he got like

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one nineteen one o eight on one scorecard or something

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along those lines. I always think in my mind, just

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because I think about that fight when that comes up,

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I always thinking the first fight between Sergio Martinez and

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Paul Williams a super close fight by most people's accounts,

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a tremendous fight, and you know Williams won the close decision,

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but one judge had it literally eleven rounds to one,

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which seemed a little.

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Speaker 1: Well, the most famous one that you and I love

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is Leonard and Hagler, where judge Jojo Gara had it

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one eighteen one, ten, ten to two, which even if

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you thought Leonard won to fight, it was three to two.

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That's that's the point.

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Speaker 2: You're making, right, So to me an eight to four

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across the board from all three judges, you know, didn't

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seem unreasonable, particularly when you know I saw a lot

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of people who I respect online scoring it in the

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same manner. Again, I had his seven rounds to five.

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But I actually, because I keep the score round by round,

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I either write it on a piece of paper when

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I'm watching the fight or I type it into my screen.

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I had a couple of rounds that I had, like

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the little dots next to which I thought, were you know,

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my indication. These are close, kind of swingish rounds. So

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you know, I didn't really have a problem with this scoring.

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So I thought it was a fight that here. First

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of all, here's the thing. Pury, I thought thought a

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really good fight, very disciplined, he was quick, his jab

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was very strong. So as good of a fight as

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he fought, he just couldn't beat Usik, who again started

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a little slow. But similar to what happened in the

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first fight, minus the big ninth round in the knockdown

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and the near knockout, he won the fight because of

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the second half. I mean, he came on strong, he

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figured him out, He landed the left hand, maybe not

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as much as he did in the first fight, but Fury,

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you know, when Usik threw it, he had no answer

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for the straight left hand, and that is going to

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always be something that will haunt him because it wasn't

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like it was like an avalanche of punches. Those left

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hands were coming at a very measured pace. So he

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should have been able after all the the video study

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of the first fight, all the training camp, all your

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own intelligence and experience, you should probably be able to

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handle that punch a little bit better. But neither guy's

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got anything to hang their head about. I thought they

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both fought really well, and it was it was a

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top level, high level and you know, science kind of

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an interesting, exciting fight.

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Speaker 1: I want to interject one more aspect to this because

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about this on the preview, and the weights had not

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When I saw Fury announced at two to eighty, and

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then I saw him at one eighty one, when I

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saw him give or take because he had clothes on,

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shoes on, who knows what's in his pockets. When I

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saw him take the robe off, and I saw the

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tire around the middle. He was big. I said, this

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is this is just me. This is not gonna bode

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well in a distant fight, longer in the fight, he's

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carrying more weight. How big of a factor do you

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believe that was or was not?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was a factor because Tyson Ferry

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looked like he always looks. Tyson Ferry has spent his

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entire career went that tire around the middle, the same

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way Larry Holmes spent that whole career with a tire

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around the middle. I feel like he weighed fully clothed,

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so he added actually extra weight. So we discussed how

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he wanted to come in maybe a little bit heavier.

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so he weighed officially to eighty one. But again it

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was ridiculous. He was wearing a leather jacket, he was

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wearing full clothes, he was wearing you know, some kind

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of you know, footwear. You know, clearly if he's to

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eighty one with all that gear on and you take

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all that off and he's just wearing like normal weigh

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and you know, he was wearing like a T shirt

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and his underwear or whatever. You know, he's probably two

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seventy five seventy four twenty three basically around the extra

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tennis pounds that we thought he was going to put on.

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That he said so to to give him a better

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chance of a knockout is what the fight thought was.

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So the two eighty one is misleading. He was not

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in two eighty one, but he was probably in the

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mid to low two seventies. In terms of Usak, you know,

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he came in like he always comes in, and he

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was in good shape. So I didn't think that that

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that was a factor In terms of the weight. I

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thought that his stamina was fine. He didn't look gas.

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At the end of the fight. Uh, you know, he

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was tired and so was Usik. There. You know, it's

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a it's a hard the fight state. I think that

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type of fight not only to take whatever out of

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you physically because it's tiring, the mental mental part of

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it that the the intensity, the pressure of every second

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of twelve rounds can exhaust you physically. Also, I don't

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think people realize that from a you know, it may

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not because you're throwing punches are getting hit, but just

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the mental of trying to stay laser focused on this

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person in front of you for literally three minutes every round.

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That's a daunting cask. And uh they were both tired

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when the fight was there, but I did not think

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the conditioning was in any way a factor. I thought

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both guys were in good shape, and you know, the

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best man won.

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Speaker 1: I'm teeing you up here on several more of these

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I thought in this fight. Tell me what you thought

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that clearly sugar Hills, Stewart and Fury tactically wanted to

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try to use I'll call it like a check uppercut,

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like the short right hand uppercut. He tried that punch

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numerous times. He landed it a couple of times, not big,

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booming flush, but he tried it repeatedly. To Uhsik's credit,

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he's an excellent defensive fighter. He's still got good reflexes

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and was aware. What did you make of that? Because

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it was more more than a few times he was

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trying to, you know, step in, step to the side

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and land a quick check short I'll call it a

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check short uppercut. What'd you make of that?

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Speaker 2: Listen, That's one of Tyson Fury's best punches, and it

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will work out if you can land, especially when you're

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you know that that kind of punch is probably not

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going to do you know, huge wonders on you know,

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a big call guy like if you're fighting wild there

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for example, but a guy like Usak where it's more

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in range in terms of his height, you know, that's

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that's a tremendous punch if you can land. Then like

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like you said, sugar Hill had the right idea. Tyson

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tried to land it, just couldn't find it. And it's

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by the way, it's Fury uh is good with that shot,

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but he was in with Usik, who number one is

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already a massively intelligent fighter period number two, he's the

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benefit of having had twelve rounds with Tyson Fury where

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that came in to play at some point or another. Anyway,

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so you know you're you're not gonna you're not going

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to ever outsmart on Alexander Usak. So he tried, he

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just was not able to connect it in the best

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possible way. I mean, if he does land it, maybe

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he does damage. But the thing about it is, and actually,

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you know, I've been friendly with Alexander Usik's cutman, the

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Great russ Amber for many, many years, way before he

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was ever working with with Alexander Ussik, and he's he was,

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you know, still in Saudi Arabia, and we were texting

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back and forth after the fight, congratulate him or whatever,

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and you know, we were having this discussion about and

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I dawned, I mean, I asked him and he was like, yeah,

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I think you're right. I know, never as a professional,

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Alexander Usik has never been knocked down as a professional

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in his twenty three professional fights. And he's been in

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with the best of the cruiser weights and the best

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of the head anyways, and he's taking good shots. So

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even if that uppercut lands for Tyson Fury, I'm not

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sure it even knocks him down, you know, it much

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less it gets a knockout. Because Husik has shown tremendous

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durability during his career, I mean, and and part of

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this is because he's very defensive, defensively responsible. So even

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when he gets hit, he never seems to take the massive,

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full thrust of the guy's punch. And that's that's that's

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that's years of experience, that's innate ability, that's reflexes, that's

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studying excellent defense.

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Speaker 1: Defense is underrated. He's an excellent defensive fighter, period. That's

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why it's hard to hit him so looking.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can analyze it a million different ways,

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but the reality is that both guys fought really well,

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but Usak's ceiling of fighting really well is a little

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bit higher than furies.

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Speaker 1: What did you make? Because again we did not know

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this and get to talk about it. When we left

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the bet US handicapping show on Friday, we were talking

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about the judging situation and how the American Steve Weissfeld

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was supposed to be the replacement judge. My understanding correct

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all of this and set it straight was there was

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still a disagreement on who's going to be the replacement judge,

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and they ended up doing a coin flip and my

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correct and a Panamanian judge joined the other American judge

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and the Puerto Rican judge. So Weisfeld did not score

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the fight. What you make? What did you make of

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all that?

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Speaker 2: When Fernando Barbosa, who was the Miami judge that was

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originally assigned to do the fight, basically got ill and

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wasn't able to travel, they and I don't know why

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they did this, they decided to fly into replacements as

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opposed to already having a replacement on site in the

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first place, to fill in for any of the judges.

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There was a problem, but I guess maybe because time

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was short, they want to make sure that the person

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got there, because you never know what happens with different

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flights and this and that. So on Thursday, like early afternoon,

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Weisfeld was on a plane on his way from you know,

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he was in New Jersey on his way to study Arabia,

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and they also brought in Ignacio Roblast to be the other. Now,

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the way it was said to me by people who

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were working the fight, they said to me very specifically,

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more than one person, Weisfeld is the judge. Roblist is

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going to be the backup in case Weisfeld has a problem,

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can't get there, or something along those lines. Once they

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were on site, and I don't know which camp wanted it,

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which one camp preferred rob one camp preferred Weisfeld. I

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believe that's the way it went down. And so to

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settle the argument, because obviously both of them are According

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to the Middle Eastern Commission that ran the regulating of

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the of the main event. The British Boxing Board regulated

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the undercart, but because Fury was British, USIX camp said no,

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we want the Middle Eastern folks, a more neutral thing

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entity to regulate the fight. But put that aside, the

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Middle Eastern Commission was happy to have either Robliss or

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Weisfeld do the fight. It's my opinion for many years

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that Weisfeld nothing against Roblists, but that Weisfeld is period

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the best judge in boxing. You know, why wouldn't why

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wouldn't you want to have him on the panel. But nonetheless,

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one of the camps apparently was objecting to one and

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preferred the other. Not I shouldn't say objecting to the guys,

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they preferred one over the other. So to settle the situation,

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and obviously time is short because now the day before

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the fight they did a coin flip to determine who

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was going to take the place. So and and in

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the way that it worked out, you had robs Uh

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ends up as the third judge, and Weisfeld got to

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Saudi Arabia and literally sat in the you know, I

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guess they gave meseat and he watched to fight as

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a spectator and then flew home on Sunday. I mean

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he literally went from New Jersey to the Middle East

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to Saudi Arabia, watched the fight, was there for like,

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I don't know, thirty six hours, issh if that, and

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then flew back. I mean that's a long I.

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Speaker 1: Would love to note that he get paid. Did they

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give him something?

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Speaker 2: I mean I am told that he was paid, whether

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he actually was or not. I mean I may actually

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have to call Steve. Yeah, if he wants to divulge, certainly.

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Speaker 1: For your time, but certainly for your time, they should

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give him something to have been there, including a ringside seat.

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Speaker 2: Well here, here's your thing there, but there you go.

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So also one art thing about the judges to take

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the assignment, you know again I said. Weisfeld lives in

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New Jersey and he does the biggest fights in the roby,

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also does club fights. I mean, you know he's not

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you know again, a big time anybody. He does a

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ton of work for the New Jersey Commission. He was

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assigned to the club show that was a New Jersey

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on on the weekend, and when he got the big,

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high profile assignment to do the heavyweight championship fight. You know,

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he begged out of that, so he lost out on

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that card and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Income and income right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now that doesn't pay you a lot of money to

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do the type of show. But the point is that's

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that's a I mean, you know, I wouldn't have wanted

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to fly halfway across the world for thirty six hours.

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I'm not going to work, and you know, and they

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had a you know, eight or other fights on the show,

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and he didn't work on the undercard fights either, so

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you know, and Less Robless ended up doing a fine

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job with his scorecard. I'm very confident I had the

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weislol been on the panel. Hey, that done the fine job,

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and the other two judges also did a fine job.

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In my opinion, it's one of those times where I

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guess on my perspective was he got a high stakes,

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high profile, competitive fight, and I thought all three judges

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had scorecards that were perfectly within their reason reasonability in

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terms of how I looked at the fight. Not that

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I'm end all Bill, but it seemed like everybody had

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it close enough the way that they ended up having

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the final score. So in that sense, it was good.

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But one other thing to take note of. This could

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have been avoided had Fernando Barbosa not been appointed to

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the panel, because I'm not and then I want to

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be very clear, I am not in any way saying

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that Fernando Barbosa the person is conflicted. However, the appearance

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of impropriety when you're doing a fight at this level

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is very significant. You cannot have appearance of conflict of interest.

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And there was a massive appearance of conflict of interest

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because while Barbosa serves as a boxing judge, it is

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basically a part time gig. His full time, real actual

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job is buying rights for boxing events for ESPN Knockout,

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which is their channel or the program that they do

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in Mexico and Central America. And why is that a

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conflict of interest? Because his bosses at Disney, who own ESPN,

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have a rights deal worth tens of millions of dollars

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with Top Rank. Why is that a conflict because Top

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Rank is the co promoter of Tyson Fury, who is

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a principle in the fight. So how can you have

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a person who you are indebted in business with at

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the network that is your partner judging a fight where

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your fighter is one of the combatants. Yep, preposterous for

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him to have even been considered to be on the panel,

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much less actually appointed. Well, welcome to I'll leave it

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at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and welcome to how a lot of these back

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room shady things offen infiltrate and tain't the sport and

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have tainted boxing for a long time. Okay, so we

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spent time on the fight. Let's spend a little time

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on the aftermath of the fight. Then we'll get to

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the undercard. All right, So Daniel Dubois got in the ring.

475
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,279
I thought it was a little stupid because here we

476
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,599
go again, Here we go again with let's get a

477
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,480
couple of comments from the champion before we got Dubois

478
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,440
coming over to grab the microphone and going, I want

479
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,359
my rematch, I want my rematch. I thought Usik was

480
00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:12,000
very professional, took the high road and handled it. He

481
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,720
didn't say get out of the way, get out of

482
00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:16,720
my interview. I just I just beat Tyson Fury, That's

483
00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:19,920
what we're talking about. I liked how he turned and

484
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,359
looked and said, where's Turkey. He said, Tory, if Turkey

485
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,920
wants to make the fight, let's have the fight. I

486
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,119
will say this since you like to tee me up

487
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000
here on this. You're in this Christmas spirit, the holiday spirit.

488
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,440
I don't have to see Usik and Duboi again. I

489
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,279
saw it the first time. He dominated him, and I

490
00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:38,759
don't know that we are going to see it again.

491
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:40,640
But at least Usik said the right things. And I

492
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,279
guess if there's ridiculous money, he would consider it. What

493
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:46,519
do you think with all that being said.

494
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,599
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, Turkey decides he wants to make the fight,

495
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,880
there will be ridiculous money. That's the first thing. The

496
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,240
second thing is I can appreciate dating a Dubois desire

497
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,279
to have the fight, and I don't knock him for that.

498
00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,440
And you know, I rather like, you know, Dui seems

499
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,240
like a cool guy. I mean out knowing well interview

500
00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:02,119
him a couple of times, but I felt like, you

501
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,400
know what, the fact that you are now, like thirty

502
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,720
seconds you moved from usag winning another massive fight, for

503
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:10,799
you to stick your face in there and butt into

504
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:14,680
his post fight interview is bush league, low class. I

505
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,880
did not. I didn't like that at least. I mean, again,

506
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,480
if you're gonna do that now, it's not like I

507
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,880
don't think they knew this might be coming because somebody

508
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,920
let him in the ring. Obviously they didn't. He didn't

509
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,799
just run in there and crash it. It's you know,

510
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,079
he's promoted by Frank Warr and obviously Frank is also

511
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,799
the promoter you know, for Tyson Fury, and obviously he

512
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:34,200
is involved in these read season events. He had the

513
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,680
big giant victory against Anthony Joshua in September that was

514
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,400
the main event of a read Season part that took

515
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,880
place in London. Anyway, here's my point, though, if you're

516
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,599
gonna have the confrontation, at the very least, let the

517
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,440
man have his words and speaking greed and after that's

518
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,519
over then you can stay maybe get in there, because

519
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:52,000
it seemed pretty clear to me that they were going

520
00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:54,000
to bring Daniel da in for an interview as part

521
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,039
of the post fight stuff anyway, and he has certainly

522
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:57,440
been able to have his say, But to rush in

523
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,519
there like we're watching a WWE program, that to me

524
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,920
is like it's kids.

525
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,759
Speaker 1: It was literally after like two questions too. By the way,

526
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,440
it's not like they had been talking for two or

527
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,920
three minutes. It was two questions. To me, it's like it's.

528
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: A matter of just it's a matter of grow up

529
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,480
now In terms of whether the fight will happen or

530
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,359
it won't happen. Number one, I do think it's the

531
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,720
real possibility as long as Daniel Dua beats Joseph Parker,

532
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:22,720
which by the way, ain't no easy task. That's a legit, rough,

533
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,519
tough fight. If he does that, now that's the fight,

534
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,160
one of the fights on the February twenty second card,

535
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,559
and and Ustik is up for it, obviously Duba wants it,

536
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,720
And then if Turkey is interested to make the fight,

537
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,440
I would have no particular problem because at the very least,

538
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,319
post his knockout loss where he basically quit against Usik,

539
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,119
at the very least he'll have defeated in back to

540
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,640
back fights, you know, Hergovich and then Joshua and then Parker.

541
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,759
So he'll have at least earned, in my mind, based

542
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:54,680
on what's out there, you know, another chance to fight,

543
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:56,519
you know, for an act, for a real title, not

544
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,440
just get handed the IBF belt. So and actually it

545
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,200
would have been were good wins for him in a

546
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,599
row because since the Usik lost, he did go in,

547
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200
he defeated Jerald Miller. He did then defeat Herkovic and

548
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,599
then Joshua, and then he would have defeated Parker also,

549
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,400
so that would be four, you know, good to excellent

550
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,839
wins in a row. I think you know you can

551
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,799
you can put the loss to Usick aside in terms

552
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:20,799
of having earned it now. In the fight he had

553
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,720
with Usik back in twenty twenty three, he lost basically

554
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:27,200
every single round and get knocked out with a jab

555
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440
on his knees, and the only thing that people remember

556
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,559
about the fight is that him and Frank crying about

557
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,160
the low blow. That was a legit punch. So you

558
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,680
know that'll be a manufactured storyline going into a fight

559
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,680
and it actually happens.

560
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: So on the Rayfield meter, I really I wonder at

561
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,039
thirty seven, how much longer is Usik wanting to fight.

562
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,240
He's obviously made ridiculous money now for the last two

563
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:51,759
or three fights. On the Rayfield meter. Put this rematch

564
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,319
out of what number one to ten? Do you believe

565
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,200
it's a five, A six, a seven.

566
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,079
Speaker 2: I don't know a couple of things. Number one, I

567
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,440
have zero doubt in my mind that Usik is gonna

568
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240
fight again. He's gonna take a rest, he's gonna enjoy

569
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:03,759
his holidays.

570
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,039
Speaker 1: So that's a a ten for you. He will be back,

571
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:07,079
but against whom.

572
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,799
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's the thing. And I'm not going to

573
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119
tell you whether I think he's fighting Dana Duba in

574
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,000
the next fight, simply because Dinga Dubi has a very

575
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,599
hard fight coming up in February. So if he fought

576
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,400
Joseph Parker and he won the fight, and that's that

577
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:25,240
was a fight that again, Turkey is the one that's

578
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,440
gonna have probably to say, so, I mean, I can

579
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,559
see it happening. I don't think it's some humung And

580
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,480
it would again presumably unless one of the other sanctioned

581
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,799
bodies you know, starts ordering a mandatory, it would again

582
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,119
be utify the four titles, but it would be kind

583
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,920
of a little bit. I mean, it would officially be

584
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,240
for the undisputed, but it's like he's just winning back

585
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,359
the title you took from him.

586
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: All right, what about this argument, mighty one? There is

587
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,480
one uno one heavyweight champion to ever walk away undefeated

588
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,079
and stay away, and that's the late Rocky Marciana. All Right,

589
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Larry Holmes almost got there to forty nine to zero.

590
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,119
You believe he would have kept kept fighting. I don't know.

591
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960
I'm not so sure that Holmes would have kept fighting

592
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,799
if he got to forty nine and oh fifty and

593
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,000
oh and would have said that's that. Do you believe?

594
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: As homespot another like fifteen years, I know you argued

595
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,880
you were never walking al right, he was never walking away.

596
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: I got you. But do you believe? And maybe it's

597
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,720
the romantic in me that part of this is Usik

598
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,519
will evaluate. I can I can be one of the

599
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:27,240
two fighters that walked away and say nobody ever beat me.

600
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,000
I was the cruise away and undisputed champion. I was

601
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,799
the heavyweight undisputed champion. What's in it? What's in it

602
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,799
for me to continue to do this? Especially fighting a

603
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,559
guy into boy that I already beat anyway, and he's

604
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,799
thirty seven. It'd be one thing if he's like thirty three.

605
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,519
I would be more dubious and more curious. Okay, can

606
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:42,519
you really walk away at that?

607
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: You're over analyzing this. Alexandrusik is a fighter. What the

608
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:47,599
fuck else is he gonna do?

609
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,279
Speaker 1: All right, so let me just well, he can still

610
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,640
right back at you. Hold on, no, no, no, hold on,

611
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,839
hold on. Vasili is not gonna just quit, all right?

612
00:27:59,079 --> 00:27:59,839
Hold On, is million?

613
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: I love the heavyweight champ of the world.

614
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,279
Speaker 1: I love this is Basili Lomachenko. A fighter. Is Basilly

615
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,160
Lomachenko younger than Usik? Is he his countryman and one

616
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,920
of his best friends? And is he more than likely retired?

617
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,319
And saying that's it? While younger? By the way, hold on,

618
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,759
answer that question. Are all those things not true that

619
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:18,920
I just rolled off to you.

620
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: He's younger, true because he's not retired well, but.

621
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 1: He hasn't fought him practically a year. And the hint

622
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,559
is and he's not fighting anymore than he may.

623
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: There's the nonsense on social media saying he's retired is

624
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,559
a lie. He's not retired now. He very well may retire,

625
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,680
but he hasn't yet. And second of alf, I don't

626
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,079
do what about is them? Okay? So fuck that shit.

627
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,759
Coming me with a real fucking question, not what about

628
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:41,480
is nonsense?

629
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: All right, I'm coming at you with a real question.

630
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:47,200
He's thirty seven, he has nothing else to prove because

631
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,640
the only other guy that has really popped for him

632
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:53,480
is Duboi, who he already beat. So I don't think

633
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,680
it's unrealistic.

634
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,799
Speaker 2: Joseph Parker is the winner of that fight in February,

635
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,400
which is a distinct possible. Then Alexander Russa against Joseph

636
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,279
Parker is a very legit fight, particularly if you take

637
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,119
a look at the recent victories of Joseph Parker, number one,

638
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,960
that's an opponent number two. I don't necessarily come at

639
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,799
it from the standpoint of what else do I have

640
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,200
to prove. I think there are some people in the

641
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,920
boxing world who are fighters come at it with forget

642
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,400
about what I have to prove. It's how much can

643
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,440
I make and if he steps in the ring as.

644
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: The not an issue. I'm gonna swatch you, not an issue.

645
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: Ends of millions of dollars, not an issue.

646
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,279
Speaker 1: He just made over fifty million, maybe more for this

647
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:29,640
he's made.

648
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't count somebody else's money.

649
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: He made more well, but I mean he made over

650
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,960
one hundred million dollars between the first Fury fight and

651
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,480
the second Joshua fight and the Duois fight in this fight.

652
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,319
So it ain't about the grain, it ain't about the ring.

653
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,359
Speaker 2: That's not about the ring. There's a plenty of guys

654
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,599
you don't think it was. Floyd Mayweather was undefeated.

655
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:47,079
Speaker 1: We're not talking about Floyd Mayweather.

656
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just saying the general concept of saying I

657
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,039
can retire.

658
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I love this. Back to my original premise, Please

659
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,240
answer the question, he's got a chance to do something

660
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,359
that only one other guy, Rocky Marciano, walked away and

661
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,559
said I'm never coming back. Not Ali, not Larry Holmes,

662
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:06,000
who you mentioned, not my question, not Lex Lewis. How

663
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:09,039
compelling is a is a walk away at this point?

664
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,079
To Usik at thirty seven to say, I think I.

665
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: Think it is. I think it is a possibility, it

666
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:20,279
is compelling. But I think the idea of still being

667
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,400
able to do this at the highest level and still

668
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440
have this in front of you and to create another

669
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,359
massive pile of wealth for you and your and your

670
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,039
descendants will possibly and probably trump that idea, because generally speaking,

671
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:37,839
in a sport that is well over one hundred years old,

672
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,200
that has had any number of great heavyweight champions, you

673
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,160
can only come up with one. And by the way,

674
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,839
if you do the research and you read the things

675
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,440
that were happening contemporaneously at that time, Rocky Marciano, Yes,

676
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,599
he retired and never came back, and he died tragically

677
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,400
in a plane crash, but there was a lot of

678
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,160
conversation at the time that he was going to come back,

679
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,960
and he died before he could make the comeback.

680
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,519
Speaker 1: But he never came back. All right, we'll see. And

681
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,160
a lot of the guys that did come back came

682
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400
back for financial reasons. Joe Lewis had to keep fighting.

683
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,480
Mike Tyson, by the way, was basically broke and kept

684
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,119
fighting on incredibly so other fighters and al Leen I am.

685
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,799
Speaker 2: I am very very confident that at some point in

686
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,400
the not too distant future, in the next year, that

687
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,759
Alexander Russik will be back in the ring in a

688
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,200
heavyweight championship title defense.

689
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Tyson Fury. What about

690
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,039
Fury here off of two losses? What do you think?

691
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,039
What I mean, there's an Anthony Joshua fight to be made.

692
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,640
We're just keeping it real on the podcast. They both

693
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
are damaged goods at this point. Yeah, there, and so

694
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,799
in America nobody cares about that fight. That's a British

695
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:46,519
fight that people might care about, but it's not for

696
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,519
the heavyweight title and they're both damaged guys. All right,

697
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,759
your thought on Fury go everything?

698
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: You just said is accurate, and they'll put fucking ninety

699
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,319
thousand people in Wembley Stadium and they'll make a big,

700
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,400
mega fight. And you know what, the fact that they

701
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,079
didn't fight already is a travesty because they could have

702
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,359
done it when they were in a championship situation, still

703
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,640
at the top of their game. And it's the same

704
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,960
shit that happened when we never saw the Anthony Joshua

705
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,079
Deontay Wilder fight that should have been for the undisputed

706
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,519
championship when they were both undefeated. You know, uh, you know,

707
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,400
while Tyson Fury was away during his time as lineal champion,

708
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,640
when he was dealing with all of his his issues

709
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,359
and had you know, come back and maybe not been

710
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,119
so impressive. The reality is that this this fight should

711
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,799
have been. I mean, it'll still be a big fight

712
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,440
in Britain, like like I just said, in terms of

713
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
the money and the attention, and I still wouldn't mind

714
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,519
seeing it as a fan, but it doesn't have the

715
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,599
same attraction that it once did. And it's really it's

716
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,599
just disappointing that the three putting Usick aside because he

717
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,839
has proven himself. As I wrote in my piece on

718
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,200
my sub sect which I encourage everybody to go sign

719
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,720
up for and give me a little Christmas present. Honek

720
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:53,559
a presient and us yes exactly. So putting Usk to

721
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,759
the side because he did fight Tyson Fury twice, and

722
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,559
he did fight Anthony Joshua twice. He never fought Deontay Wilder. Fine,

723
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,680
but here thing. Tyson Fury did fight the Wilder fights,

724
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,440
but Joshua Wilder never happened when it meant something, and

725
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,839
it's not going to happen, and they it's unfortunate because

726
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,559
I actually had a signed contract finally and Wilder got

727
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,839
knocked the fuck out. And then if you go further

728
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,559
than that, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua should have happened

729
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000
when it was a big, meaningful fight and it will

730
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,960
never be of that meeting ever again. It may still

731
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,200
very well happen, and I actually think it will happen.

732
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,079
They'll do a read season card in Britain. They'll put

733
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,359
it at Wembley Stadium and they'll make a massive event

734
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,799
out of it, and I think it might be next

735
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,400
I don't think we're gonna wait around and see Joshua

736
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,400
have a comeback fighter, Fury have a comeback fight, and

737
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,839
Fury's still fighting at a higher level at the moment

738
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,200
anyway in my mind than Anthony Joshua, because yeah, fine,

739
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,680
he lost against Alexander Rusik, but it wasn't like he

740
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,279
was dominated to get knocked out. As we've discussed, the

741
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,160
first part of the show is a close, competitive fight,

742
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,119
and he looked pretty good. It was just Usick was better.

743
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,880
In terms of Joshua, you know, he was just absolutely

744
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,000
put to sleep by Daniel Dubai in a one sided,

745
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,319
devastating destruction. But again, that will still happen, and it

746
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,599
will end up being a footnote in history more so

747
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,359
because it should have happened when it still meant something.

748
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,360
And we'll just run through the list of fights that

749
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:10,800
the powers that be let get by that don't happen,

750
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,320
which is one of the things, by the way, that

751
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,440
you've got to give kind of Turkey and the folks

752
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,000
that do all these big read season events credit for

753
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,880
is because they're not waiting around forever to make the fights.

754
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,199
They took the first opportunity that they could to make

755
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,760
Fury and Usk when they first got involved, they made

756
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,360
the fight. They were able to put together Joshua and Wilder.

757
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,760
You know, it fell one fight, shy, but they weren't

758
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
on some like long. Let's marinate this fight for another

759
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,639
two years, like they're making the fights you know better

760
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,159
BV and Bovo. When they got involved, the fight fucking happened,

761
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,280
and so on and so forth. And I'm quite confident

762
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,800
that we're going to see them make some other fights

763
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,840
of that merit all right, But Joshua Fury, it will happen.

764
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,480
You want to give the Rayfiel meter. I think it's

765
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,079
a fucking ten.

766
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: And then probably in the first half of next year,

767
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,840
let's see summer something like that. Let's see.

768
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think it's gonna have to be at

769
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,480
a time when they can actually do an event outdoors

770
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,000
where it makes sense for the public and in Great Britain.

771
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,760
So to me that would be, you know, perhaps the spring,

772
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,760
maybe the summer, depends how much time Tyson Fury is

773
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,679
gonna want to take off after this fight. But I

774
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,760
don't think he was particularly physically damaged where he needs

775
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
a long recovery period or anything like that. So you know,

776
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,679
Joshua will have had a nice long rest after what

777
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,519
happened in September. So yeah, I can see that happening,

778
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,360
and maybe like in the spring of the early summer.

779
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: All right, and then one more on Usic and I

780
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,599
promise we'll get to the undercard. Not a lot on

781
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,599
the undercard, but a couple of things of interest. USI's

782
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,280
place now in heavyweight legacy. What is this stuff on

783
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,079
my rundown about Usik being a top ten heavyweight of

784
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,400
all time? You and I have already covered that. This

785
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,079
is what This is his seventh This is his seventh

786
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,519
heavyweight fight. I know he beat Joshua Twise and beat

787
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,920
Fory twice, but he's fought seven times as a heavyweight.

788
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,599
We're gonna put him in the top ten all time.

789
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,840
The words all time don't don't go there, I will

790
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,039
say that, go ahead.

791
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm talking about the looney tunes that pop

792
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,559
up on social media, that up things.

793
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,079
Speaker 1: These people that you pay far more attention to than

794
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,119
you need to. What is up with the with the savage?

795
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm amused by it because it's like I always thinking

796
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,320
about what you always today when we do our nostalgia section. No, hey, kids,

797
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,800
the boxing didn't start in the two thousand exactly.

798
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, what in what realm are we going to put

799
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,719
a fighter with seven heavyweight fights in with al Lei

800
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,880
and Tyson and Lennox Lewis and all the names holy

801
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Field and uh Foreman, Joe Frasier, Rocky Marciana.

802
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: Please come on, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, we can. Here's

803
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,440
the Here's the thing. Alexander Usik is a great fighter.

804
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280
He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He is the

805
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,039
pound for pound king right now. I think that's pretty obvious,

806
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960
and those are all great accomplishments, and that that doesn't

807
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,840
just because you don't think he's in the top and

808
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,599
all time heavyweights doesn't detract from what he is currently

809
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,840
number one. And I've said this numerous times. I'm not

810
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
big into making an all time lists before guys career

811
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
is over, right, And you know, and I've said this before.

812
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,440
The one thing I was thinking about is if Roy

813
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,440
Jones had retired after he defeated John Ruiz, or even

814
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,840
after he defeated in his next fight in a very

815
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880
tough fight his first bout with Antonio Tarverer, people would

816
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,559
talk about Roy Jones as one of the top ten

817
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,079
or higher ranked pound for pound fighters in history of boxing.

818
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,400
But unfortunately for Roy, he stuck around for another ten

819
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,880
years or so, and he got knocked out repeatedly and

820
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
fought a lot of you know, bad fights, and got

821
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,960
beat by a bunch of nobodies, and it impacted his legacy.

822
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,440
So we can't be sure what's gonna happen with Alexander Usik.

823
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,679
That's number one, Number two Alexander Usak, as you mentioned

824
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,719
seven heavyweight fights. Is he a top twenty heavyweight of

825
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,360
all time at this point? Absolutely? Is he a top

826
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,679
ten heavyweight at this point? Absolutely not. And so when

827
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,519
I see that, I laugh. People want to say, well,

828
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,679
he should be in the top ten pound for pound

829
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,760
of all time. I'm like, please again, it's not a

830
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,800
knock on Husak. I love Usik. He's a great fighter.

831
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,519
Speaker 1: Hey, he is arguably one of the best pound per

832
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,440
pound fighters in the last fifteen years in the sport,

833
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,239
top two or three probably you gotta you gotta give

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,960
it to him for the gold medal for the undisputed

835
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,000
A cruiserway and now the undisputed to heavyweight with the

836
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,159
fighters he's beaten. He he deserves to be there for

837
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:12,199
the last ten or fifteen years all time. That phrase

838
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,039
all time, Hang on with the phrase all time.

839
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: A career is not over. And b I'm not putting

840
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,679
him yet anyway, I would need to see quite a

841
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,280
bit more. Uh, I'm not even doing this in order,

842
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,559
but Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray, Leonard, Marvin Hagler,

843
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:33,519
Roberto Duran, Manny Packyel, Floyd Mayweather. Uh, you know, Willie Pep,

844
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:36,519
I mean you want to go back, Harry Grebb whatever

845
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,800
you know, read read up on the history books. I mean,

846
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,360
it's absolutely a preposterous thing to even have the conversation about,

847
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,159
uh in that in that realm of the top pound

848
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:47,599
for pound, Uh, you.

849
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: Didn't even go forward to De la Jolla, Canelo, Manny Pacqui,

850
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,599
Al Floyd Mayweather, as well as the heavyweights now that

851
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,880
we're talking about, Yes, you're talking at I mean there's

852
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:55,760
long list.

853
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean we didn't even get like well for beneath

854
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,400
this is and thereon problem. Leo says, yes, well he

855
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,440
was the perfect job as I forgot my bed. I mean,

856
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,960
it's just, you know, it's crazy. So okay, everybody needs

857
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,679
to stand him down in rocks. Everyone take a deep

858
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,280
breath about his place and pound Everybody take a deep

859
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320
breath about his place in terms of heavyweight history, he's

860
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,000
number one currently. Obviously he's the lineal champ. He's probably

861
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,199
the pound for pound king. You know, he's probably the

862
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,000
greatest fighter in the history of Ukraine, going ahead of

863
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,599
the Klitschko brothers and Wumachenko and all that business. But

864
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,239
everybody take a step backy by the way, I must say,

865
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,199
I was very happy to see Vladimir Klitschow able to,

866
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,599
you know, spend a few days outside of what's happening

867
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,280
in of their country, Ukraine, and and make his way

868
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,480
to Saudi Arabia to support his his buddy Uh.

869
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: And he was sitting right there by Lennox Lewis too.

870
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,960
I mean, you had heavyweight royalty sitting right there by

871
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,400
ringside too. And I saw Roberto Duran sitting there as

872
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,360
well as some others. Oscar del Hoyo was there, so

873
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,360
they had some They had some royalty there for sure.

874
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,239
And Usik ends up Uh getting the victory the second

875
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,039
time around, right to the undercard. As I made reference to,

876
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:02,480
it seems like a month ago, but it was earlier.

877
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,679
In the pod, Moses Atama did not take two minutes

878
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,320
to dispatch of the Australian Demsey McKean. All right, give

879
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,559
me your thoughts on this, because he dropped him with

880
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,199
a shot that on the replay ray feel it's questionable.

881
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,719
Is it the side of the top of the head

882
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,079
is at the back of the head? Clearly McKean crumpled over,

883
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,400
kind of awkwardly got up and then got drilled with

884
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,519
another overhand left Boom goes a dynamite. The fight's over all, right,

885
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:28,800
your thoughts, Yeah.

886
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was on the like near the top

887
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,440
of the head. It was not an illegal punch. He

888
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,039
kind of leaned into it. I mean a Toomas got

889
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,559
obviously good power. He's a tremendous young fighter. I mean

890
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,159
he's probably the best heavyweight up and comer in boxing

891
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,119
right now. I think you can make a strong argument

892
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:42,719
that he's the prospect of the year. He's eleven to

893
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,519
zero with nine knockouts. He just wiped out. What I

894
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,320
thought was. I didn't think that he was going to

895
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,719
lose the fight. I mean, I picked him by a knockout.

896
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:52,280
By the way, I'll give us both props. We both

897
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,360
went four and one on our US picks this week.

898
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,440
But Demsey McKean, while not a top level contender, has

899
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,920
shown himself to be like a pretty decent guy, you know,

900
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,880
at that level.

901
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: Like a Hergovich couldn't do that to him until the.

902
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: Twelfth round exactly so, and that's his first fight since

903
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:11,000
Stinstaharkovic fight. But still to go out and take care well.

904
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,079
First of all, people have to understand if you look

905
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,840
at the record that Moses Kama has compiled thus far,

906
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,480
even though it was Dems McKean, this was a quantum

907
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,840
leap in terms of the type of guys he's fought.

908
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,480
The previous best guy and I put best in quote

909
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,960
marks that he fought was in his previous fight that

910
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,760
took place in July. He fought Marius Bach, who was

911
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,599
thirty eight and ten going into the fight, was a

912
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,119
big giant of a man, but had been on the

913
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,519
down side for many years. His claim to fame was

914
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,440
he went, you know, and he thought Vladimir Klitch going

915
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,880
a heavyweight title fight and got defeated. But that was

916
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,320
still a step up for him and tom It took

917
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,079
him out in the second round, but a walk was

918
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,719
on a you know, on a downwards file for a while.

919
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
He had won maybe his previous fight, but he had

920
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,559
he'd been in somewhat of a losing run. He'd lost

921
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,039
like five of his last seven or something like that,

922
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,280
so that was his previous best. Now mckem was definitely

923
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,280
a massive that bump from walk and to go to

924
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,519
go from from a voc fight to a mcken fight

925
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,119
and have him take McKeen out in less than two minutes,

926
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,280
that was very impressible with the type of knockdowns he's

927
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,719
So here's to me, the what sets a Tom apart

928
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,400
maybe from your average heavyweight prospect. Yes he has the power,

929
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,320
Yes he's got the youth. But the thing that is

930
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,239
incredible to me anyway, his hand speed is just ridiculous

931
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,480
for a heavyweight. You know, you just you don't see

932
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,559
the punches and McKean just never saw the shots. They're

933
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,519
very hard. And the thing about it also, and he's

934
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:34,760
gonna get a lot of knockcuts because of it. Whether

935
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,840
you think is a devastating punch or not is not

936
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
even relevant. But the fact is, when you're a fighter

937
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
and you don't see the punch coming, if you get

938
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:42,599
hit with a shot that you don't see coming, it

939
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,559
doesn't matter if it's a great, hard shot or just

940
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,639
a half ass shot. I've had many fighters through the

941
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,079
years that I've talked to about when they've getten hit,

942
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,280
and they'll tell you, to a man or a woman

943
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,760
for that matter, I would rather get hit with the

944
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400
greatest shot a guy has or gal but I see

945
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,840
it coming right, and get hit with some half ass

946
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,360
shit that I don't see because it just catches him

947
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,920
by surprise. They don't know what to do. So a

948
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,840
Tama is gonna get knockouts because he's gonna be able

949
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,400
to hit guys, maybe with not great shots, but they're

950
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,039
gonna be shots they don't see because his hands are

951
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,119
so quick, and so he looked absolutely devastating. And when

952
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:16,239
we got the first round knockout, I wasn't even disappointed

953
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,599
because to me, it meant, Okay, we're gonna get to

954
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,920
the main event quicker. Because it was literally from the

955
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,000
time they went on the on the air with the

956
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,800
show at ten thirty a m. Eastern time, and they

957
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,239
actually started the first fight a little earlier than they

958
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,559
had said. Originally it was supposed to be eleven am

959
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,559
for the first bout. They started the first fight about

960
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,159
maybe about a quarter of ten of it was literally,

961
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800
and then they signed off at about seven pm Eastern

962
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,679
n It was an eight and a half hour card

963
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,840
long day. So when I saw KO one in the

964
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,039
co feature, I was like, praise the Lord, let's get

965
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:46,880
to the main event. And they did get which they

966
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,840
did get to it fairly quickly. One thing they did

967
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,119
do was they dispensed with They didn't do a single

968
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,880
post fight interview with any of the undercard fights, which

969
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,559
I didn't like. I mean, I'm not saying you got

970
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,760
to believor the point I'd rather hear a ninety second

971
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,880
intern you with the winner of the fight than hear

972
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,760
the pundits talk. No offense to the pundits who do

973
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,119
a good job, but so I think they can still

974
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,920
screwce up certain things they do on the broadcast. But

975
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
I was happy as long as he got the KO one.

976
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,480
We're able to get much more quickly to the main event, and.

977
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: We'll see what his twenty twenty five. Holt's got to

978
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,519
have a little better competition and they'll groom him probably

979
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,760
to be in the picture late twenty five, twenty six,

980
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,320
something like that. Listen to me playing amateur matchmaker again,

981
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:28,320
all right, sir, hey Boa, Chuck scored an early knockdown

982
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,800
of Ishmael Davis, who was a late replacement in the

983
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,400
last couple of weeks and eventually stopped him the corner

984
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,760
stopped it. Your thoughts on that.

985
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Well, Number one, I know that Davis took this fight

986
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,400
on short notice, but the one thing that was maybe

987
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,119
working in his s favor, which I didn't actually realize

988
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,639
how I heard them speaking about this on the broadcast.

989
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,159
Similar to what they had done with some of these

990
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,440
other cards. For example, back in August, a few nights

991
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
before they had the Terrence Crawford Israel Majimov cart, they

992
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,800
did like a little mini three fight card that they

993
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,039
put on the pier in Santa Monica of three bouts

994
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,199
that were originally going to be on the low were

995
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,519
part of the under card and they made like a

996
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:03,880
separate event out of it. They did the same thing

997
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:06,679
in Riad, I believe it was on Thursday. We add

998
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,199
four four smaller fights like four and six round type fights,

999
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800
as like they did with the in conjunction with the

1000
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,559
open workout. Ishmael Davis was originally going to be on

1001
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,760
that portion of the card, so he had been training

1002
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,360
obviously for though a much lesser opponent. When Israel Majimov

1003
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,440
withdrew from the fight, claiming the bronchitis situation. They put

1004
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,559
Ishmael Davis into the fight, and whether he was training

1005
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,639
for another fight not training, it certainly did not help

1006
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,719
because Boatchu comes back like a freight train from his

1007
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,599
very close loss against Virgil Ortiz in August, and he

1008
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,280
looked terrific against Davis. He just was on top of

1009
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,079
him from the opening. Bell scored a big knockdown with

1010
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,320
a left hook in the second round, and just Davis showed.

1011
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,079
Davis had heart, He tried, he was he did the

1012
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,039
best he could. I felt didn't didn't didn't you know,

1013
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,320
take it for granted and find an easy way out.

1014
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,639
I don't think. But by the time the fight was

1015
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,639
into that, you know, third, fourth, fifth round, he's just

1016
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,800
getting destroyed. And when the sixth round was over, it

1017
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,480
was pretty clear he was taking a beating, and you

1018
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,960
know he kind of like shook his head to the

1019
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,159
corner and the corner like you know, told the ref

1020
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,400
stop to fight. So, you know, some people might say

1021
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,800
he quit. I feel like, you know what, he gave

1022
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,639
everything he had on the short notice against that calib

1023
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,440
of opponent and that was just enough enough. And he

1024
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,800
you know he lost to fight Boachuco took out whatever

1025
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
frustrations or whatever you want to call it on either

1026
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,039
not getting the fight magimum off or getting a loss

1027
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,000
in the majority decision to Virginal Ortiz. That a lot

1028
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,440
of people thought he was the rightful winner, but Boachuk

1029
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,320
it was a big win for him. It's a WBC

1030
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,880
finally eliminator. He's now the mandatory challenger for Sebastian Fundor,

1031
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,519
who is not only the WBC title holder but also

1032
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:41,719
has the WBO belt. It won't be next most likely

1033
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800
because Fandora is on the path of probably fighting Errol Spence,

1034
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,400
keeping in mind also that they're still an interim champion

1035
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,719
in the WBC, which is Virgil Ortiz. But Bowchuk is

1036
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,239
in a great position. He's probably made a nice impression

1037
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,679
on the folks in Saudi Arabia. He certainly got the

1038
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,239
ranking with the organization. I think he's starting to become

1039
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,000
a little bit more known to the fans and the obvious.

1040
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,920
He puts on entertaining fights. So it's good to wake

1041
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,920
up as sorry Bochek this morning in terms of your

1042
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,800
boxing career, because he's got some probably big nights out of.

1043
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: Him and one more off the undercr Johnny Fisher did

1044
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,599
decision the veteran David Allen. Was there anything remarkable about

1045
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,119
that one? Or yeah? And keep moving on?

1046
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: No, this was did you watch the fight teacher?

1047
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: Not able to see that one? No?

1048
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well there you go. You need to read your substack.

1049
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:25,920
I'll tell you that.

1050
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,639
Speaker 1: I need to grasp the Fisher recap on the Dan

1051
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,599
Rayfaeld substack for the.

1052
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: Hot Okay, A couple of things. Number one, this was

1053
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,679
a tremendous action battle. This was a terrific fight. This

1054
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,519
was a blood and guts, all out slugfest. This was

1055
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,559
as entertaining as you're gonna probably find. H It was excellent.

1056
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,280
It had a round of the year type round in

1057
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440
the fifth round is back and forth. This was Johnny Fisher,

1058
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,880
a fighter that Mattroom Boxing has been developing. They think

1059
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,159
he might have the ability perhaps to go to the

1060
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:57,559
next level. He's a prospect, has a big fan base

1061
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,519
that follows him around the Rumsford Army. You know they're

1062
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:03,320
they're they're great fans. And this was as I mentioned

1063
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,320
in terms of the step up that Moses Atama was

1064
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,079
taking against dem Zy McKean, this was a similar dramatic

1065
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,079
step up for the type of opponent Johnny Fisher was

1066
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,480
taking out. Johnny is a little more raw and not

1067
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,719
as refined as an Atama. They're going to take him

1068
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,639
a little bit slower obviously, and he's you know, making

1069
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:20,519
his way. So they matched him with with the well

1070
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,599
traveled journeyman but lovable and fan favorite in Britain, David Allen,

1071
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,760
you know, who's coming off a couple of very low

1072
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,239
level wins after he had been knocked out by the

1073
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Olympian Fraser Clark. And you know, pretty much whenever David

1074
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,800
has stepped up David Price, he got knocked out by

1075
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,320
got knocked out by Tony Yoka. So when he's taking

1076
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,440
those steps up, it hasn't gone well for him. But

1077
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,360
for Johnny Fisher, though, this was the step up. They

1078
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,840
put on a phenomenal fight. And here's the thing. He

1079
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,639
got knocked down Johnny Fisher in the fifth round, which

1080
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:48,800
was around the craziness because he did come back and

1081
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,559
they were back and forth like rock'm socc and robots.

1082
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,079
But when the fight was over, and I put this

1083
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,840
on my Twitter even before the announce decision, I said,

1084
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,000
David Allen won that fight. I hope they don't rob him.

1085
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,840
And pretty much everybody I saw that was responding or

1086
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,719
that I saw who put scores up or their thoughts,

1087
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,599
pretty much everybody had David Allen winning a close fight,

1088
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,719
and the prospect got the nod against the veteran and

1089
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,079
Johnny Fisher got in my opinion, A A. It was

1090
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:15,679
a hard fought fight, and I don't knock him for

1091
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,400
the effort, but he got a bit of a Christmas

1092
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,320
gift wrapped up nicely for him. David Allen was the

1093
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,599
rightful winner of that fight, so I felt bad for him,

1094
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,719
but from terms of the entertainment value of the fight,

1095
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,960
tremendous battle. But I think the people that are now

1096
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,159
running Johnny Fisher's career and have to take a real

1097
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,039
hard look and see, like where do we go from here?

1098
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Because that might have been too much for him. And

1099
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,320
I'm not sure how much background you can go from

1100
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,800
a David Allen, So I don't really know what the

1101
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,039
next move is. David Allen, you know you feel bad

1102
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:45,000
for him because you know he's been a true heavyweight soldier,

1103
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,920
if you will, He's fought whoever, you know, always given

1104
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,519
a pretty good effort. Can't really argue and should have

1105
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,880
got You know, he may never go be heavyweight champion

1106
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,119
fair enough, but he should have got to win against

1107
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,079
Johnny Fisher. So it was a terrific fight and a

1108
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,360
bad outcome in my opinion of.

1109
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: The undercard for certain on that right news and then

1110
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:07,719
a little nostalgia before we depart. Uh Giron Ennis back.

1111
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: In the news for allegedly Eddie Hearn and Eddie Hearn

1112
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,320
talked about this on the weekend, had been talking to

1113
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,800
Bob Aram about the possibility of Tea Fimo Lopez moving.

1114
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: Up to fight Jiron Ennis. But my man Raphael, did

1115
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,960
Eddy say this on the record that Jeron told him

1116
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,519
to stop doing it? Or have you just found it

1117
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,320
out that in his innus apparently doesn't want that fight.

1118
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,840
What are we doing here? Straightened me out? Who does

1119
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,719
he want to fight?

1120
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: He wants to apparently just fight one of the other

1121
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,440
guys in the welter Reviersison and has a belt. So

1122
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,800
it's one thing if you decide you're not going to

1123
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,679
continue the negotiation with the fight that should have been

1124
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:48,199
the fight that takes place, which is virgual artis that

1125
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:50,559
that deal was done to the extent that they were

1126
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:55,440
exchanging the paperwork wrong, had the wrong weight in it,

1127
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,079
which but everybody that had any concept of the prospect

1128
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,400
of a virginal Artis against jewn Innisfight knew that it

1129
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:04,000
was not going to be a welterweight fight for a

1130
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,320
thousand different reasons. So he bagged out on that fight.

1131
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,400
I consider that a duck. You can argue, and people

1132
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,199
want to say, you're just a Jaron Hennis haater co

1133
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,840
fund yourself. I'm not a drawn nnistator. I actually love

1134
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,159
John Ennis. He's a tremendous young fighter, and I like

1135
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,639
watching his fights, and then I've enjoyed my interviews with

1136
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,239
them all that. But that's a duck. Okay, fine, so

1137
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,079
you want to go fight a walter re unification fight

1138
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,079
that is not available to you. So now this was

1139
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:31,840
not me saying this. This was the principles involved Aaron

1140
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,880
and Hearn saying we are now negotiating the possibility of

1141
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,320
forget about Jurn moving up to fifty four to fight

1142
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,280
a guy in that weight class. We're going to take

1143
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,079
tia Fimo Lopez and we're going to move him up.

1144
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,239
Who wants to move up to welterweight. He's the champ

1145
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,679
at one forty He's more than happy and willing for

1146
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760
the right deal to go to challenge Ennis for the

1147
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,320
tile up one forty seven, where Ennis is not encumbered

1148
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,599
by a mandatory a dispoint because he just made the

1149
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,679
mandatory against Chagadzian in the rematch. That's like, okay, if

1150
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,079
you're not fighting virtual artis, you know what, I'm done

1151
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,559
with that TV molib against Jion Innis. That's a big

1152
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:04,159
fight there.

1153
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: And certainly Lopez has a name, has fought on ESPN,

1154
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,679
has fought on pay per view. It makes a lot.

1155
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: We were talking about doing this as like a joint

1156
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,679
des own ESPN pay per view. Fine, I like to fight.

1157
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,760
I don't know if I necessarily view it as pay

1158
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,039
per view, but okay, that's cool, do your thing. Let's

1159
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,639
see the match. So now they start to discuss Aaron

1160
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Is in Saudi Arabian is doing interviews and telling people

1161
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,000
that you know, they're gonna be able to make this match,

1162
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,199
and then it comes out where apparently Jion Innes has

1163
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,079
told Eddie, you know what, I don't want to fight

1164
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,199
tim A Lopez, so he told him stop negotiating because

1165
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,800
he only has eyes for a unification, and I keep

1166
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,559
saying to myself, Okay, well, who the fuck are you

1167
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,760
gonna fight? You can't just say I want a unification.

1168
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,760
You know, when it doesn't it takes two to tango.

1169
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,480
So if you look at the other fighters with titles,

1170
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,559
they tried to make the Brian Norman fight he's the

1171
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:54,079
WBO champion, and they couldn't agree on the money, and

1172
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,480
Brian Norman then suffered an injury had to pull out

1173
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,599
of a defense that was supposed to be on the

1174
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,480
Keishon Davis card a few weeks ago. He is supposedly

1175
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,039
coming back in the first quarter in March or thereabouts,

1176
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,239
and they're going to reschedule his defense against Cuavis. It

1177
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,440
will be his first title defense. I can't even argue

1178
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,920
with that because he's not had a chance to, you know,

1179
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,159
get a bigger name, make some money, you get a

1180
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,559
title defense under his belt. That's the classic example of

1181
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,760
you win the title and now you go and you

1182
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,880
make a defense against you know, a reputable opponent but

1183
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,639
not a big name. And you know, you start to

1184
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,599
build your resume and your groundwork. Okay, so put that aside,

1185
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,480
that ain't happening. Now you go, Okay, who are the

1186
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,440
other champions A mount to Stanionis is a WBA champion,

1187
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,000
that'd be an okay fight. But a Manta Stanionis. According

1188
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:38,280
to his own people at PBC and to the WBA

1189
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,000
and to Matroom Boxing, who is the promoter of his

1190
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,880
mandatory Agisov, they have a deal for that mandatory to

1191
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,079
take place. So don't I don't know this for a fact.

1192
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,280
I suspect that it will probably wind up on the

1193
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,920
March first Tank Davis pay per view card. But the

1194
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,639
point is that fight is supposedly a done deal and

1195
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,760
they're fighting. I guess it theoretically could change, but okay,

1196
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,199
but if you take it on the word from the

1197
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:06,039
two promoters and the sanctioning body, that fight's happening. So

1198
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,079
that takes the WBA belt out of the loop, and

1199
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,199
that leaves Mario Barrios, who's coming off the draw in

1200
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,599
his fight on the Mike Tyson J. Paulcard in the

1201
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:19,599
title defense raw fortunate to get the draw, So could

1202
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:23,559
they make that fight maybe, But this is a fact

1203
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,239
also is that Barrios is in discussions for a possible

1204
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,840
fight against Connor Ben, a defense which is obviously much

1205
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,119
more money than he can make it against a drawn

1206
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:36,480
Ennis connor Ben would happen. I guess if they can't

1207
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,519
make the fight between connor Ben and Chris Hubank Junior.

1208
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:41,360
And keep in mind, Eddie Hearn is going to have

1209
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,880
some say so because he promotes John Ennis and he

1210
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,400
promotes connor Ben. And I promise you that if he

1211
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,360
can't make the fight for connor Ben against u Bank,

1212
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,639
it would definitely be Eddie's preference in his best interest

1213
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:56,519
for his company financially to make a title fight for

1214
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,719
connor Ben against Barrios. In it would for dn Ennis

1215
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,639
to fight against Mario Barrios. So I don't see where

1216
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:04,840
the unification fight is.

1217
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

1218
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Happens even if it happens, why would you blow off

1219
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:12,280
a t femo fight the smaller guy come up to

1220
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,559
see you when that's a sure thing to maybe possibly

1221
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,239
potentially get a unification that is so cloudy at the

1222
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,719
moment that nobody knows for sure if it's even doable

1223
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,599
for the next several weeks, I would.

1224
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: Think, And and by the and by the way, I'm

1225
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,880
just saying this, this is common sense, though I'll articulate it.

1226
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,719
Taya Fima Lopez is so much more marketable and there's

1227
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,639
more money to be made in that when you're talking

1228
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,880
about him fighting Stanionis or fighting Brian Norman, that's not

1229
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,280
those are not marketable guys. So I don't know what And.

1230
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,519
Speaker 2: I happen to think also that that Ennis. I'm not

1231
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,599
saying he definitely beats t Femo Lopez and nothing against

1232
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,960
Ta Femo Lopez, who I'm a fan of also, But

1233
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:54,519
I think if you took a look at what the

1234
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,400
odds would be in that fight, John As would certainly

1235
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,119
be the favorite in that.

1236
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,599
Speaker 1: Yes, but he's not. He's not apparently doing it, despite

1237
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,320
his promoter trying to drum it.

1238
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,519
Speaker 2: Up this weekend, TJ, what are we What are we

1239
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:05,599
doing here? Give me what are we doing?

1240
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,079
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? You know what we're doing here.

1241
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,760
Let's move on to Matchroom and Dezone releasing their schedule

1242
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,199
for the first quarter of this year. I will say,

1243
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,400
you're less than enthralled. How about that for the holiday

1244
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,880
season with this schedule? But give me a couple of

1245
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,239
the particulars. What do they what do they roll out?

1246
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: They analysis on them maybe like a week or sogo.

1247
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,880
We actually meant we were going to get to this

1248
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,360
on a previous podcast, but we ended up having some

1249
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,840
other things that kind of came ahead of it, and

1250
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440
I was so like, not the most interested in the schedule,

1251
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:33,679
but being honest, to pull the curtain back, we don't

1252
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:35,559
have as much news this weekcause it's right the hoidays

1253
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,280
there's not as much going on, So I figure, you know,

1254
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,280
we might as well go over this form.

1255
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,519
Speaker 1: Now tell me the riveting first Matchroom Dezone show that

1256
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,440
grabs you off this schedule? What is it? I'm waiting

1257
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,039
with sarcastic bated breath, exactly, all right, So now what's

1258
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:52,159
the schedule of what they have?

1259
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,679
Speaker 2: Okay, So what they did was and again this is

1260
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,639
not the entirety of the de Zone schedule because they

1261
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:59,760
worked with other promoters. This is the magic this is

1262
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,639
the card my Matchro events that they're going to do,

1263
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,400
so starting on January twenty fifth through March twenty eighth,

1264
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,719
so that encompasses the first quarter of the year. They

1265
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,079
announced six different events. The first two of them are

1266
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:16,679
going to take place on January twenty fifth. One of

1267
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,039
them is going to be and it'll be chronologically. This

1268
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,199
will be the first one because it's earlier in terms

1269
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,639
of the time difference. This will be in Nottingham, England.

1270
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,239
It is Dalton Smith, who is a very good young

1271
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:30,480
British fighter, undefeated, a top prospect. He is fighting Walid

1272
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,159
Wazia for the European title. I mean, I guess in

1273
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:37,280
England in his area. For Dalton, it's a big game

1274
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,559
to try to win the European title, and that's cool

1275
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,480
and I like watching them fight, but that's not a

1276
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,519
fight that knocks my socks off. The undercard was very,

1277
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:48,960
very pissed for in my opinion. They have an Eliscani

1278
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,400
here third women's title defense of our junior February title

1279
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,760
against an undefeated woman from New Zealand and the co feature.

1280
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,760
And the unfortunate part is that women's boxing match I

1281
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,960
just mentioned, of all the six cards, is the only

1282
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:04,920
world title fight that they're offering in six different shows,

1283
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,800
which I find a little surprising and frankly disappointing. So

1284
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,920
that's the first event. The second event is probably for

1285
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,360
my money, you know, the most interesting of a fairly

1286
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,559
light schedule in my mind, and that is the return

1287
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:19,400
of Diego Pacheco, the excellent super middleweight up and comer

1288
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,719
my prospect of the year from last year. He's taking

1289
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:24,480
on Stephen Nelson. This is a super middleweight fight. Steven

1290
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,760
Nelson is an undefeated fighter who is part of the

1291
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Terrence Crawford camp. And you you know, anytime you watch

1292
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,679
Terrence Crawford's fights in recent years pretty much you'll see

1293
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:35,360
Stephen Nelson on the undercard, and you know he's a

1294
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,360
fellow Omaha guy a little bit older. So that's actually

1295
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,960
like not the That's like a decent fight for Pacheco.

1296
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,199
I don't mind that fight so much, but it doesn't

1297
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:44,800
like get me excited in terms of the main event.

1298
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,559
Their co feature is the Andy Cruz, who is the

1299
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:50,599
excellent Cuban twenty twenty Olympic gold medal winner. He has

1300
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,800
actually taking a nice step up professionally speaking anyway, against

1301
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,599
omars Omar Salcido, who's coming off a big knockout against

1302
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:01,119
Chris Colbert. As a double header like that solid, they

1303
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,480
also have the delayed Mattroom debut of the excellent prospect

1304
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,320
that they signed in Ernesto Tito Mercado. He was supposed

1305
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,199
to fight on the boots Anis under card, but his

1306
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:11,920
opponent came in about like seven pounds overweight and the

1307
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,800
fight got canceled, so he's on the card. He's taken

1308
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,119
on the well traveled former two division titleder now a

1309
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,800
journeyman in Jose Padraza, and they're gonna keep running Padras

1310
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,320
out there, I guess until his wheels fall off. But

1311
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,960
it is still probably a step up for Mercado and

1312
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,159
as a third fight down the show, I can't growl.

1313
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,360
So that's probably the best of the six fights that

1314
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,280
they announced. Then you go back to London for January

1315
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,079
thirty first, and this is one they call a next

1316
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,320
gen card. This is basically the matchroom equivalent of Showbox.

1317
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:42,800
So again for the Brits, maybe it's cool. They've got

1318
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,320
some of their prospects, mainly middleweight George Littard, who is

1319
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,199
tending out, who have actually seen on some of the

1320
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:50,840
before the Bell cards and he's a pretty interesting prospect,

1321
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,559
but not the type of card. Again, it's prospects, so

1322
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,480
you're not going to be like, not the kind of show.

1323
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,760
I'm like, I got to be home to watch her.

1324
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,360
I need to take my phone is charred and watch

1325
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,719
the stream when it comes on. Then they go February

1326
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:05,760
twenty eighth to Mexico where they put on a handful

1327
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,960
of shows every year, and their Mexican cards, even if

1328
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,360
they're not big names, usually had the very least produced

1329
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,960
outstanding action. In this particular card, the junior lightweight contender

1330
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,519
Eduardo Rocky Hernandez, who's been in some dramatic fights. He's

1331
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,880
in the main event against his countryman Renee te Les Gerown,

1332
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:24,760
you know, who's been in with some pretty solid guys,

1333
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,719
but generally lost of those guys. So for example, he

1334
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,559
knocked down Floyd's Schofield in Schofield's last fight but lost

1335
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,480
the decision. Those are the types of fights that he's

1336
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,440
been in, so that should probably be a fun fight.

1337
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,800
But again on the importance level, you know it is,

1338
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
you know whatever. And then again for the folks that

1339
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,599
live in in the UK, proticure the Irish, this I

1340
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:48,440
guess will be a big deal. For me, It's like, okay,

1341
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,280
it's an okay fight, It's fine, I'll watch it. Lewis Crocker,

1342
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,679
the wealthy rate who's undefeated against Paddy Donovan, who's the undefeated.

1343
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,559
One guy's from Ireland, one guys from Northern Ireland. You

1344
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:59,400
know they'll draw big crowd there, I'm sure for that

1345
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:02,280
as the main event in the first quarter and it's

1346
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,599
your fifth event, i'd get to see like any real

1347
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,440
big names or big world title fights. I'm un disappointed.

1348
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:09,639
I'm not saying the matchmaking is not fine. I'm not

1349
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,719
knocking the fights, but I'm like the totality of the

1350
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,760
schedule is a little bit lackluster. And then on March

1351
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,199
twenty eighth, and we'll have to see what they put

1352
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,400
on the undercard. They're going to go to a plate

1353
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,199
to a town right outside of Manchester and they're having

1354
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,920
the professional debut of the British twenty twenty four olympian

1355
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,880
Pat Brown, who was you know, signed with Matchroom just

1356
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,400
a couple of weeks ago, so it's like for him

1357
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,760
it's a big homecoming pro debut, you know. And that's

1358
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,000
fine for the folks that are in Manchester, but it

1359
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,119
doesn't mean anything for anybody else. Let's see what they

1360
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:38,480
put on this.

1361
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:42,599
Speaker 1: So you did an outstanding commercial for Matchroom right there.

1362
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:44,199
I'm sure they thank you for that. They don't pay

1363
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:48,440
commercial just being really you just publicized all of their fights,

1364
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,679
and so I will add.

1365
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: This, there's nothing wrong with you even have some publicity

1366
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,119
as long as you keep it.

1367
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: Real I'm gonna keep it real right here. There's absolutely

1368
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,800
zero out of any of that that an American fight

1369
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,760
fan would go, oh, I got to watch that fight

1370
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,360
call because none of its American fighters at this point.

1371
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,079
I know, because I know Matt Room is primarily European

1372
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:09,079
and British or whatever. But if you want to if

1373
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,679
you want to grab some of the American fight fan audience,

1374
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:13,599
you got to do better than that on that. Where's

1375
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,280
the Gera, where's the Jerai in his fight in the

1376
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,639
first quarter next year? Please?

1377
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: It's also the fact is that it's it's the entire

1378
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,920
first quarter and none of their champions are getting put

1379
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,159
out there. If the best fight on the on the

1380
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,199
on the on the roster fights again, I'm not saying

1381
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,079
they're bad fights, they just don't resonate exactly. If the

1382
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,039
best fight is Diego Pacheco against Stephen Nelson, you might.

1383
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Want I stand corrected. I'm sorry in the blur Diego

1384
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,000
Pacheco I would be interested in in most American fight

1385
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:43,559
fans be interested in. So there's one, all right, one

1386
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,800
more news item and then some nostalgia because we've been

1387
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,199
here a bit. Hey, a funny thing happened on the

1388
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:52,280
way to Christian Mobili and Haimi Mungia. Potentially Boom goes

1389
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,079
the dynamite. Mangia knocked out last weekend, not this weekend.

1390
01:02:56,599 --> 01:03:00,880
So now the IBF steps in and says Mobilly's gonna

1391
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,000
fight whom or they want somebody else to fight Mabilly.

1392
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:04,960
What's up here?

1393
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:06,679
Speaker 2: All right? So the two don't really have anything to

1394
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,559
do with each other. They had ordered at their WBC

1395
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:14,039
recently completed convention an interim title fight between Mabilly and Mongia,

1396
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:17,760
but as you mentioned, Mongie got knocked out. But Mobilly

1397
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,800
has also got a high ranking in another in other organization,

1398
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,760
So in terms of the IBF, this was sort of

1399
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,159
in the last like last week or so. A few

1400
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:28,079
days ago, they sent out a notification ordering Mobilly, who

1401
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:31,079
was twenty and oh by the way, and looking good

1402
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,039
and and exciting fights. They ordered him to fight a

1403
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,719
fellow French fighter who is the European champion in super

1404
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,400
midleweight division, Kevin Leilei Sadjoe, who I have actually watched

1405
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,239
fight a few times. Very exciting. Also, he's kind of

1406
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,719
like a like Mobilly light if you will, Like he

1407
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,239
makes those kind of fights built really well strong as

1408
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:51,679
a bull. He just comes off of a victory which

1409
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,559
is actually on a smaller dezonned card that they showed

1410
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:57,599
because they do pick up these unusual smaller shows from

1411
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,440
a lot of different proters. He fought recently in the

1412
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,239
Bahamas and knocked out Diego chab Is in the fourth round.

1413
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,519
I didn't even know Diego Chabas was still fighting much

1414
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:06,719
less than a super middleweight division. He I covered his

1415
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,000
fight against Tim Bradley like freaking ten years ago. Anyway,

1416
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,280
that's the fight that they ordered for their IBF super

1417
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,199
middleweight eliminary, which that again if you follow, would make

1418
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,760
him uh the winner. If that fight were to actually

1419
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,559
take place, they'd become a mandatory for your boy William Skull,

1420
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,440
who was the newly crowned IVF champion after they stole

1421
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,400
the title from Canelo. Anyway, whether the fight happens or not,

1422
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,519
I have no idea, but as a super middle a

1423
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,079
match it could happen, that'd be like an underground like

1424
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:38,400
real nerdy, diehard niche type of fight. But I would

1425
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,079
actually crazy as it's.

1426
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: So were you.

1427
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: Sajo?

1428
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: I like?

1429
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Also, that's the thing, so I would definitely be able

1430
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,559
to be interested to watch that fight, but whether it

1431
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:51,400
happens or not, who deck knows. And I say that

1432
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,719
because the Billy is still ranked one in the WBC.

1433
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,159
And even though they didn't uh he didn't get the

1434
01:04:57,159 --> 01:04:59,480
opportunity to do the fight with Mongia because of what happened,

1435
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,360
that doesn't mean the WBC couldn't order another interim fight

1436
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,960
against somebody else in their ratings. And you know, if

1437
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,360
you're a fighter, obviously, unless the money is so much greater,

1438
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:09,800
if you had your idea, would I rather fight for

1439
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,599
an interim title or fight for a number one contender

1440
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:13,360
to get a title shot, You're probably gonna go for

1441
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,079
the interim title at the very least if it comes

1442
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:17,039
to a title fight, you get a higher percentage if

1443
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:18,719
it goes to a person bit. So you know, it

1444
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,000
remains to be seen if this Mobility Chajo fight will

1445
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,159
actually occur. But I just thought it was notable that

1446
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,159
they ordered the fight because to me, I found it

1447
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:26,119
to be an interesting matchup.

1448
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: All right, Nostalgia not a lot, but we do have

1449
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,639
an item. So it was sixteen years ago, Friday, December twentieth,

1450
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,079
Going backwards a couple of days two thousand and eight

1451
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,840
and Rayfield Wright's one of the most heinous robberies ever.

1452
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,880
Nikolai Valuev's win over if vander Holyfield to retain the

1453
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,400
WBA heavyweight title in Switzerland, of all places, forty six

1454
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,239
year old the vander Holyfield was looking to regain the

1455
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:57,920
heavyweight title for a fifth time. How many exclamation points

1456
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,159
did you have to put next to outright rob? I

1457
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,119
count like sixteen exclamation points.

1458
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: Firstly, I didn't didn't read what I wrote. I wrote,

1459
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,880
but fucking outright.

1460
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Rob okay, all right. So obviously, whenever we're talking right

1461
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,199
now about Tyson Fury believing he got robbed, it ain't

1462
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,880
nothing compared to this from two thousand oh go ahead,

1463
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:17,320
all right.

1464
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: So people maybe didn't remember or didn't follow boxing at

1465
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,119
the time. Nikolai Veluev was a Russian fighter who was

1466
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:27,440
like literally seven feet tall, who was a mountain of

1467
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,239
a man. And I will say this on a personal perspective,

1468
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:33,199
He's the largest human being I've ever met in person.

1469
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,920
I met him one time years ago. I was covering

1470
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,280
a fight in Cancun, Mexico. This was when Samuel Peter

1471
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,440
defeated Oleg Mask in the bull ring in Camkun and

1472
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,960
won the WBC title, and on that same card when

1473
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:49,800
Nate Campbell pulled off a big, big upset against a

1474
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,360
Wan Diaz and won three of the lightweight belts. They

1475
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,920
had the weigh in for this fight on the beach

1476
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,880
in Cancun, and Nikolai Veluev, who was with Don King

1477
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,280
at the time and Don was promoting this Mexican card,

1478
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,440
was there, you know, just to be there as a guest,

1479
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,000
I guess, And so I met him at the way

1480
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:06,679
and he shook my hand, and TJ, when I tell

1481
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:09,440
you that this man shook my hand, it went up toide,

1482
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,679
I think my elbow, okay, is a I'm I'm I

1483
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,960
go about I'm like six feet even, and I feel

1484
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,239
like I'm looking up at the Empire State Building. Yeah,

1485
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,639
he's like a legit, like seven to huge, huge human

1486
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:25,320
being a wide nice guy. Anyway, So he had won

1487
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,320
the WBA heavyweight belt. And Evander Holyfield, who was archaic

1488
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,639
at this point. He's forty six years old, well at

1489
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:33,800
the end of his career, coming off of a loss

1490
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,800
where he had got an opportunity to fight for a

1491
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,199
different version of the belt against Saulting, he brought him

1492
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:41,440
off gets the opportunity to go to Zeri Switzerland then

1493
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:44,639
challenged the lou Have for this title. They made it

1494
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:46,679
as like a small pay per view in the United States.

1495
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:50,360
Holyfielder is looking to become the first ever and only

1496
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,239
five time heavyweight title holder. He also was forty six

1497
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,199
years old at the time, so if he wins, he

1498
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,800
destroys George Foreman's record as being the oldest not only

1499
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,480
oldest heavyweight champion, but the oldest you know, to be

1500
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:09,199
a major champion. I must say that despite the fact

1501
01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:11,239
that it was a heinous robbery, as I said, it's

1502
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,559
literally one of the worlds. It's almost it's so bad

1503
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:17,399
it's almost worth watching. But do so in an ironic fashion.

1504
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,720
That's how bad it is, like comedic fashion. Yes, So

1505
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,600
you know there's always like there's there's a couple of

1506
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,880
movies that you could mention and people will talk about

1507
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,920
them that it's so bad that they become like could

1508
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:28,840
favorites because they're.

1509
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: That idiot become Patrick Roadhouse perfect example.

1510
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: So exactly where it's so bad that you watch it

1511
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,600
knowing how bad it is, just as a joke. This

1512
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,199
is how bad that fight is, So call it up

1513
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:43,760
on YouTube and if you can deal with it. At

1514
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,239
least watch a few rounds because it's that bad. However,

1515
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,319
just because it was bad doesn't mean that Holyfield shouldn't

1516
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,920
have won. Neither guy did really much of anything. Holyfield

1517
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,000
kept bouncing in and out, up and down. At least

1518
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,239
he threw a few punches, and Villaue have stood there

1519
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,800
for twelve rounds like a goddamn statue, Like I think

1520
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,760
the statue of Liberty's got more movement than Nikolai Vulouk.

1521
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,399
I actually went and found the article that I wrote

1522
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,439
about this for ESPN in two thousand and eight.

1523
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: Quote me some nostalgic Raypheel on this debacle.

1524
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read to you the beginning of my story

1525
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:18,199
about this, and I quote Dan Rayfield from December twenty second,

1526
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:21,520
two thousand and eight on ESPN dot com. And when

1527
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,279
I found the article, like I've written literally tens of

1528
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:26,359
thousands of stories in my day, but when I started

1529
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:27,760
to read it actually kind of came back to me.

1530
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,960
I kind of remembered writing this. To be quite honest

1531
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,560
with you, what a humiliating night for boxing. The stints

1532
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,159
from this fight won't go away even with a strong wind.

1533
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,079
Everything about it This was a column that wasn't the

1534
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:42,560
game story. Everything about it stunked as it notched the

1535
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:47,439
hat trick of Heinus, specifically one the WBA should never

1536
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,960
have approved the forty six year old Holyfield to fight

1537
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,079
for the title in the first place, after he lost

1538
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:55,119
his previous fight and lopsided decision to sult An Abrograma

1539
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:56,880
for another belt more than a year ago.

1540
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:57,159
Speaker 1: Two.

1541
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: The fight was horrible, one of the worst have you

1542
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:04,079
title fights in history, with less contact than an episode

1543
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:08,760
of Dancing with the Stars three. The decision was so

1544
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,960
atrocious and so scandalous that it made Holyfield's gift draw

1545
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,439
in the first fight with Lennox Lewis looked like a

1546
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:22,000
competent ruling Judge Luigi Poppy who had at one sixteen

1547
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:25,720
one twelve that was a joke, and Mikhail hook the

1548
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,600
one fifteen one to fourteen disaster rendered ghastly scorecards. Judge

1549
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,359
Germo Perez Pineda's one fourteen one fourteen draw was merely disgusting.

1550
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,039
Uh for the record, ESPN dot Com, watching the fight

1551
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:41,640
on pay per view, that's me scored the fight one

1552
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,439
seventeen to one twelve for holy Field. I mean and

1553
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,319
the thing is they had a sold out crowd of

1554
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:50,520
like over twelve thousand at this arena in Switzerland. And uh,

1555
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,199
you know, I've been in of all the history that

1556
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,520
Holyfield was trying to make. But the point I made

1557
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,279
was he deserved the victory as horrendous and atrocious as

1558
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:01,319
this as this ply was, and as I said in

1559
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:04,279
the article, all he did was bounce around, move from

1560
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:06,560
side to side, and stay about ten feet from Villau

1561
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:09,880
all night, while coming forward a couple of times around

1562
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,439
to land a combination. But given that Vluf, who looked

1563
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,560
like a statue, fought as if he was in a

1564
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,279
coma all night long, what little Holyfield was doing should

1565
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:22,319
have been enough for a landslide points victory. So again

1566
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,319
I urged my fellow Fight Freaks Tonight podcast listeners to,

1567
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,399
as an ironic experiment, go on YouTube watch some of

1568
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:32,560
this fight and just try to find the humor and

1569
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,319
how absolutely horrible it is.

1570
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: Especially if you have insomnia on the weekend here before

1571
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:40,960
Christmas and Monday and Tuesday. Dial that one up.

1572
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: All right, we've been here enjoying my did you enjoy?

1573
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:46,319
Speaker 1: How are you going? Third person? And going back to

1574
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:49,920
your article in two thousand and eight. All right, so

1575
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,159
again we gave you a bunch in the recap mode

1576
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:56,560
on Usik and Fury. We are we're on the final

1577
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,800
few days of this year, my friend. We're almost done

1578
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,359
with this year.

1579
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,520
Speaker 2: I say one more thing about that, for what it

1580
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,279
is worth, that was in fact the final title fight

1581
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:08,239
that Evander Holyfield participated in terms of a major title.

1582
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:10,880
And he only fought three more times after that in

1583
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,000
twenty ten twenty eleven, twice against France while both the

1584
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,359
Sherman Williams and Brian Nielsen before finally calling it to day.

1585
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,359
But he should have had the fifth heavy at Deult

1586
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:20,880
after that victory that he didn't get.

1587
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:24,199
Speaker 1: I got you, all right, I do know this. We

1588
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,399
are going to put this one to bed. As I said,

1589
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,840
we only have a few days left here in twenty

1590
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,199
twenty four. Believe it or not, we will be here

1591
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:35,079
post Christmas. We got to go over not that you

1592
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:36,399
have to pick it all, but we got to go

1593
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,439
over some of the lists here, a fight of the year,

1594
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,399
knock out of the year, fightur of the year. We'll

1595
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,439
be doing that next weekend. We're almost done. In the meantime,

1596
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,159
Happy holidays to you to the audience, Merry Christmas. Off

1597
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:51,560
the weekend here, they need to keep staying engaged with

1598
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,720
the Fight freakch U Night, Substack and your social media

1599
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,199
for any fight news or whatever the latest is here

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01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:57,119
over the next few days.

1601
01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: I would like for my holiday present to be some

1602
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,479
more good reviews on like that.

1603
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: Give us some reviews here to the pod, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

1604
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,520
My friend, you will know how my Monday is going

1605
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,640
by virtue of what happened on Sunday Night with my

1606
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,680
Buccaneers and Cowboys. If in fact my Buccaneers are victorious,

1607
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,239
they've taken a huge step towards the playoffs, which we

1608
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:19,039
love for many reasons, not the least of which lay

1609
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:23,399
off checks. We like those as well. So we release

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,560
this pod Sunday Night and a Monday. You know what's up.

1611
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,600
If you're keeping up with the NFL, I know what's up.

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01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,079
We come off the weekend recapping here with the Fight

1613
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,720
Preach Night Recap Daan Rayfield. Have a good week. One

1614
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,000
more week basically to go about ten more days basically

1615
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:40,279
to go here in twenty twenty four. We appreciate it.

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