Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow.
Speaker 2: And I'm Catherine Hileco.
Speaker 1: Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find, a pick
Speaker 1: from our archives, and a parenting or pop culture tidbit
Speaker 1: or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find of the week.
Speaker 2: As you might remember, our library is currently closed because
Speaker 2: we're in the process of moving for the third time,
Speaker 2: the second time since I've been employed there. But so
Speaker 2: in order to keep us occupied and paid during this point,
Speaker 2: during this transition time when we cannot be in the
Speaker 2: physical building, we have some work at home projects that
Speaker 2: we are doing, and one of them is it's we
Speaker 2: call it the obituary project. So our library has a
Speaker 2: genealogy and local history librarian, and it has a database
Speaker 2: of obituaries and other death notices and information that it
Speaker 2: is creating and keeping and maintaining. So part of the
Speaker 2: process is that we are assigned a month and year
Speaker 2: and we use a tool called newspapers dot Com, and
Speaker 2: we go and look at our local newspaper from that month,
Speaker 2: and we look through all every page and look for
Speaker 2: anything that says an obituary, a death notice, you know
Speaker 2: so and so died whatever, and we plug the as
Speaker 2: much information as we can glean into this database. So
Speaker 2: two things. One is if you are interested in genealogy
Speaker 2: or family history, or just even the history of your
Speaker 2: home or your community, newspapers. Dot com is a cool
Speaker 2: resource which I think I'm pretty sure it you have
Speaker 2: to pay to have a subscription, but your local library
Speaker 2: will most likely have a subscription that you can access.
Speaker 2: And it's a lot easier to read than microfilm, which
Speaker 2: I have not tried to use for many, many years.
Speaker 1: Especially remember microfilm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's not fun.
Speaker 1: This is like it though there was something so visceral
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like basically, you know, just JPEGs of
Speaker 2: these pages of this newspaper. And as in the course
Speaker 2: of looking for obituaries, you really like I've been reading
Speaker 2: my assignments currently have been like nineteen oh four, nineteen
Speaker 2: oh three, nineteen hundred and so there's not an obituary section.
Speaker 2: There's not. Everything is completely just random international news, national news,
Speaker 2: local news, completely fictional things, advertisements. It's all just like
Speaker 2: thrown on the page and you just have to kind
Speaker 2: of pick through it. But you get a lot of
Speaker 2: really entertaining things. In addition, to the ads, which are fun,
Speaker 2: but I periodically just clip things because they're so fun.
Speaker 2: For example, the headline. This headline grabbed me as I
Speaker 2: think it would you Panama hats still missing subtitle or subheading.
Speaker 2: Six young men lost their much valued hats at dance
Speaker 2: Friday night. Oh and then there is a like five
Speaker 2: hundred words about these hats and how they were lost
Speaker 2: at this dance. The panamas in question were of the
Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty dollars rock variety, some of them more
Speaker 2: than that, treasured by their owners as the apple of
Speaker 2: their eye or eyes question mark, the sole barrier between
Speaker 2: themselves and sunstroke. Goes on to, you know, describe the
Speaker 2: whole situation that they put their hats on the top
Speaker 2: of this piano while they were dancing, and then they
Speaker 2: went back and they were gone, oh madly. They searched
Speaker 2: through the crowd in the hall on the veranda about
Speaker 2: the pier and the beach, but the hats had vanished
Speaker 2: as completely as though the lake had swallowed them.
Speaker 1: It was a lot more fun to be a newspaper
Speaker 1: writer back there, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Young Sextet returned with the breezes blowing unrestrained
Speaker 2: through their tresses. They had no hats.
Speaker 1: It is just lovely.
Speaker 2: So that was a fun And then the other one
Speaker 2: I'm going to just.
Speaker 1: Give a shout out to it is there is there
Speaker 1: a writer for that?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, nobody gets credit, no no bolence.
Speaker 1: That was lovely whoever. That was a tip of the
Speaker 1: stolen at.
Speaker 2: Exactly to your memory, to your memory from July twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: nineteen oh four. The other one this is this is
Speaker 2: also from the editors, uncredited. And on the other way,
Speaker 2: the announcement yesterday of the engagement of Joseph E. Zickler
Speaker 2: and miss Edith Heinz was an error. Some person short
Speaker 2: on sense sent the information on a postal card, forging
Speaker 2: there too the signature of mister Joseph e. Zickler, the
Speaker 2: alleged party to the engagement. This postal card has been
Speaker 2: turned over to the postal authorities, and the idiotic joker,
Speaker 2: if discovered, will receive the proper penalty for misusing the
Speaker 2: mails and forgery.
Speaker 1: Are we sure it wasn't the prospective bride?
Speaker 2: They are very salty about this. Persons who attempt to
Speaker 2: use the Crescent that's the newspaper as the vehicle of
Speaker 2: such full proceedings will be dealt with without mercy, So
Speaker 2: don't try this again, Oh dear, be dealt with without mercy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he reminds me of I've probably mentioned this
Speaker 1: before the uh my son's buddy who was not online
Speaker 1: but suddenly had a Facebook page that seemed to exist
Speaker 1: mostly to send love notes to this girl who liked him.
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes I imagine the editors of the
Speaker 1: Crescent would have been quite cross with her.
Speaker 2: Yes, for doing such a thing. Yeah, maybe it was
Speaker 2: miss edith Heintz, who I.
Speaker 1: Kind of wonder put it in the paper.
Speaker 2: Right, he'll finally have.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to skip over the proposal part and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, just right in there. But apparently mister Zickler
Speaker 2: was not not swayed by this, because he immediately went
Speaker 2: to complain to the paper.
Speaker 1: Or possibly his parents if they do not like Yes,
Speaker 1: it sounds like more likely it might be the parents
Speaker 1: that are upset, But depending on how the youth of
Speaker 1: these people, Yes, they're both well into adulthood I suppose. Still,
Speaker 1: it seems like you could write an entire soap opera
Speaker 1: episode about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, comedy one of the two. So if you if
Speaker 2: you are looking for similar amusements. I recommend newspapers dot com.
Speaker 1: That is delightful.
Speaker 2: You can browse through papers. You know, you could go
Speaker 2: and find your own birth announcement. One of my coworkers
Speaker 2: actually accidentally ran into her great grandparents' wedding announcement, which
Speaker 2: was factual. They actually got married. So yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's fun nice.
Speaker 1: That is so if you don't care for the news
Speaker 1: of the current day, right, go back, just.
Speaker 2: To rewind at one hundred or so years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when the worst thing that could happen to
Speaker 1: you is your hat was.
Speaker 2: Stolen, Yes, exactly, that's.
Speaker 1: Bad enough to get in the paper.
Speaker 2: Pretty well, they're much valued hats.
Speaker 1: They're much valued hats.
Speaker 2: So let's hear. Let's hear what you're recommending.
Speaker 1: You've got. Usually you recommendable book and I talk about
Speaker 1: something else. Today you talk about something else, and I'm
Speaker 1: recommending books. Over the holiday, I went on vacation with
Speaker 1: my family, and while they ran around doing fun things,
Speaker 1: I laid on the couch with AirPods in my ears,
Speaker 1: finishing some books on Audible that I had been working on,
Speaker 1: especially A Gentleman in Moscow, which is like twenty some hours.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a lot. And I finally had
Speaker 1: time to just sit and listen to it relatively uninterrupted.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of vacation person I am.
Speaker 2: Go have fun.
Speaker 1: Everybody here, WA's the room. You know, we're all sitting
Speaker 1: in this chair on the lobby. You guys go play bango.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, but I, as I knew I would, and as
Speaker 1: I think I may have mentioned, I was in the
Speaker 1: process of I really enjoyed it. It's really good. You're right,
Speaker 1: it was really good. I'm very, very glad. I listened
Speaker 1: to it with a lovely narrator with a British accent,
Speaker 1: just narrating it just so. It was interesting though in
Speaker 1: reading it to see where they kind of judged stuff up.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh this is where this thing, Oh well
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite happen, Like yeah, okay, Well it was
Speaker 1: much calmer. There was much less, much less drama, but
Speaker 1: still just a really good book and if you enjoy audiobooks,
Speaker 1: a really pleasant telling of it on Audible. And I
Speaker 1: also managed to fit in a much shorter work called
Speaker 1: Welcome to Pawnee by Jim O'Hare who played Jerry, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be mostly a book
Speaker 1: about parks and rec and it is, but it's also
Speaker 1: kind of a biographical book about him, about which, gotta
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm less interested, but you know, he wrote
Speaker 1: the book, so what are you gonna do? I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It was interesting. I don't know that I learned anything
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard before. But I love the show. I
Speaker 1: always like, you know, hearing about various different things that happen,
Speaker 1: and what all the weird thing about it? And I
Speaker 1: had the same issue with the book I read that
Speaker 1: was by Judy Dench, but not read by Judy Dench,
Speaker 1: by somebody pretending to be Judy Dench, is that in
Speaker 1: writing this book he got contributions from most of the
Speaker 1: actors and from a lot of the production people who
Speaker 1: you know, Hell, there's a narration and then there's a
Speaker 1: quote from so and so, and I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know what the deal is with audio books, if you
Speaker 1: never get the person, or if these people just have
Speaker 1: much enough stuff to do that they don't want to
Speaker 1: read their little contributions to the book. But it's actors
Speaker 1: reading things by these people whose voices I am very familiar,
Speaker 1: and it was just weird. Yeah, it just took me
Speaker 1: right out of it every time. Whoever did Mike Shore
Speaker 1: If that was not Mike Shore, sure did a good
Speaker 1: job of it in imitating him, as I'm quite familiar
Speaker 1: with Mike Schure's voice from the poscast. Yeah, really did
Speaker 1: sound like him, So kudos if that was somebody else,
Speaker 1: But some of the other ones, I know what Chris
Speaker 1: Bratt sounds like, and you are not Chris Brat, or
Speaker 1: are you Adam Scott? Nor are you Retta? Nor are
Speaker 1: you There were no quotes by Amy Poehler, interestingly, pretty
Speaker 1: much everything. Maybe one by Robb Loo I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but so that was just that was just a fault
Speaker 1: of listening it in audible as an audio book, reading
Speaker 1: it on the page. It would have been just delightful
Speaker 1: to see all these quotes written by these people. But
Speaker 1: listening to them does not work right. You know, trap
Speaker 1: your friends in the sound stage and make them read
Speaker 1: their stupid things.
Speaker 2: I mean, how along will it whatever really take?
Speaker 1: But probably they. I mean, if you're a professional performer,
Speaker 1: you wish to be compensated for your time. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: record your voice on something that's going to make other
Speaker 1: people money so I think it's just with the j
Speaker 1: Judy Dench. I think she maybe was just when they
Speaker 1: did actually have her voice later on, she was so
Speaker 1: much older sounding that might have been a problem for
Speaker 1: her to read the whole book. But anyway, so that
Speaker 1: was I will give you that. I would say, if
Speaker 1: you're going to read it, get the hard copy and
Speaker 1: just read itways on the page. It will be so
Speaker 1: much because you can then say it in those people's voices.
Speaker 2: Right, you can hear it in the way you wish
Speaker 2: to hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I am now starting a book called Everybody
Speaker 1: Behaves Badly by Leslie M. M Bloom, and it is
Speaker 1: about Hemingway and the writing of the Sun Also Rises
Speaker 1: and sort of the launching of his career. And so
Speaker 1: far I've read, uh, you know, an hour or so
Speaker 1: of it and found it very enjoyable. And also it
Speaker 1: crosses off my English major requirement for the year. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can you can listen to the book about the
Speaker 1: TV show, but you got to listen to something literary.
Speaker 1: So this is okay, I'm gonna learn about learn more
Speaker 1: about Hemingway. I read The Sun Also Rises Sometime way bad, Right,
Speaker 1: I read stuff like that. Yes, so it'll be so far.
Speaker 1: I'm finding it very enjoyable, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: all about historical bad behavior, sort of like you can
Speaker 1: get at newspapers dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we come around. I wonder if Hemingway ever wore
Speaker 2: a Panama hat. I bet he did.
Speaker 1: If so, I bet he held on to it. And
Speaker 1: you know, did anybody ever ever say they were married? Well,
Speaker 1: he's married in this part of the book, so yeah.
Speaker 2: He was married quite a few times, I think, but.
Speaker 1: He undoubtedly had things said about him in the newspapers
Speaker 1: with which he would wish to quarrel.
Speaker 2: So, yes, that is true.
Speaker 1: It's all the same nice And now we move on
Speaker 1: to an archive that appears to be book related.
Speaker 2: It is. Yes, well, so five years ago we took
Speaker 2: a look at the best selling parenting books on Amazon,
Speaker 2: and they also have a list of most wished for,
Speaker 2: which I think is like put on a wish list.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2: So we took a look at them back then, and
Speaker 2: you know, did our usual complaints about them, And so
Speaker 2: I thought, hey, let's see five years later, things have changed.
Speaker 2: Of course, not really, there's still a potty training book
Speaker 2: in the top five the top five. The number one
Speaker 2: best selling is something called Atomic Habits, which is not
Speaker 2: a parenting book at all.
Speaker 1: Like maybeook I read that book?
Speaker 2: Is it about parenting?
Speaker 1: It's not right, it's about about you know. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: still get like emails from the author of it. I
Speaker 1: signed up for his suggestions on how to get things done.
Speaker 1: But I mean, creating good habits for yourself as a
Speaker 1: parent is a good thing, and sure instilling good habits
Speaker 1: in your kids. So that may be. It may be
Speaker 1: the same impulse that causes me to invest in a
Speaker 1: complete new planning and data state system every year, and
Speaker 1: you know, a habit tracker and all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: buy the book Atomic Habits and you think this is it.
Speaker 1: This is a ship shape. I'm going to get everything organized, all.
Speaker 2: The things in, all the people are going to get
Speaker 2: taken care of by this book, right yep. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's that's at the top. Then the next one is
Speaker 2: Anxious Generation, which I will not be reading things anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't need to add and hate. Yes, it's all
Speaker 2: about how basically technology is making children anxious and yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, stop it with the screens like to em
Speaker 2: not going to read it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll read it on Kindle? Can you get it
Speaker 1: on a screen?
Speaker 2: Can I listen to it as an audio book?
Speaker 1: We welst ice roll social media exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's number two. Then the classic What to Expect
Speaker 2: when You're Expecting, which we talked about five years ago.
Speaker 1: We did told and told. Was it Nicole that you
Speaker 1: could need a whole bagel? No?
Speaker 2: That was me, that was you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have let just like put that in
Speaker 1: the dustbin for eternity for a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this was twenty three years ago, but
Speaker 2: still I'm still mad.
Speaker 1: Obviously I have never had any reason to purchase or
Speaker 1: even look at that book because I was expecting in
Speaker 1: a whole different way.
Speaker 2: Yes, you certainly probably.
Speaker 1: Have an adoption version of that, but even then, adoption
Speaker 1: has so many different permutations that you can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they have what to expect the first year,
Speaker 2: I think they probably have like toddler and preschooler. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you're you're fine, but you don't need to go there.
Speaker 1: So then the the last Stanley green Span was my
Speaker 1: grop right for those years.
Speaker 2: The other book that does sound like a parenting book
Speaker 2: is The Whole Brainchild twelve Revolutionary strategies to nurture your
Speaker 2: child's developing mind by an MD and a PhD.
Speaker 1: So okay, sounds well, then MD and a PhD. Well,
Speaker 1: this is it more question.
Speaker 2: This is the definitive answer.
Speaker 1: Because fortunately all kids are exactly the same and they
Speaker 1: develop in exactly the same ways and exactly the same timetables.
Speaker 1: So all you have to do is do what these
Speaker 1: experts tell you and poof perfect case.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will say it is kind of cool. I
Speaker 2: don't think they were doing this five years ago on
Speaker 2: Amazon that if you scroll down you can see passages
Speaker 2: that people have highlighted in their kindle, like that's it.
Speaker 1: Boy, do we know when we highlight things on our
Speaker 1: kindle that they're going to go on the ams, go on.
Speaker 2: The Amazon page? Children are Children are much more apt
Speaker 2: to share and talk while building something or writing in
Speaker 2: the car than when you sit down and look them
Speaker 2: in the face. That is a known fact.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is something that we can figure out by ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yes, but that is something that has been highlighted just
Speaker 2: so you know. Soting and then the.
Speaker 1: Five star reviews.
Speaker 2: People are loving it, people like it.
Speaker 1: The people for whom it is not working don't have
Speaker 1: time to write reviews on.
Speaker 2: It because they're not going to be going there.
Speaker 1: Busy chasing children around the room.
Speaker 2: It's only one hundred and ninety two pages.
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty how many hours on autible? Let's see,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm not gonna listen. I've done this so.
Speaker 2: Six hours and fourteen minutes. See sure sure.
Speaker 1: Not g it right off? How can it be if
Speaker 1: it's only success frequently? Lot together raising? Along with this
Speaker 1: book is Raising Good Humans a mindful guide to breaking
Speaker 1: the cycle of reactive I would have to collick the
Speaker 1: link to get the last word, Tom, who I don't care?
Speaker 1: They lost you with a mindful.
Speaker 2: Mindful guide, like I don't want to be mindful? What
Speaker 2: are you talking about? I'm to see my hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, breaking the cycle of reactive parenting and raising
Speaker 1: kind confident kids. See it's so easy that you can
Speaker 1: learn how to do that in a book, right, because
Speaker 1: you just need to press the right buttons and poof,
Speaker 1: there you go, kind confident kids who wouldn't want no drama,
Speaker 1: discipline the whole brain way to calm the chaos and
Speaker 1: nurture your child's developing mind.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Oh, people, people, people, Anybody who's listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: for any length of time knows what we say about
Speaker 1: parenting books except the ones that we we write, which
Speaker 1: you should probably just run and get right away. But
Speaker 1: other than that, every parent is different, every child is different,
Speaker 1: every circumstances different, every little brain is different. There's no
Speaker 1: one good way. So, as I said the last time,
Speaker 1: the solution is to read a whole bunch of this
Speaker 1: crap and then pick out the one tiny thing that
Speaker 1: makes sense to you from each one exactly, and then
Speaker 1: develop your own system, and then write a book.
Speaker 2: Then write a book.
Speaker 1: I have still here in my office, my little parenting library,
Speaker 1: bristling with little little stickers that I put on the
Speaker 1: pages that I found useful, so I would be like,
Speaker 1: where was that thing? Somebody said this.
Speaker 2: Situation in here somewhere?
Speaker 1: I think if I opened any of these books everything
Speaker 1: would fall out, but I can still see them. Golly well.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that the wished for books are the same basically,
Speaker 2: except what to expect when you're expecting is not wished for.
Speaker 1: So mothers in law are giving.
Speaker 2: Somebody's buying it for these people. Yes, and the and
Speaker 2: the potty training one is not wished for as well.
Speaker 2: People are like, no, I'll just figure it out when
Speaker 2: the time comes. But the time on them the two
Speaker 2: there's two on baby signs, you know, like how to
Speaker 2: teach your baby sign language that. Oh wow, those are
Speaker 2: showing up and he wished for a section.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you know your mother in law is not
Speaker 1: going to get you that. We didn't. I don't know
Speaker 1: you would want them to do that. Teach them to
Speaker 1: talk to talk, yes, exactly here, body trained them. Use
Speaker 1: this book. I got it for you anyway. Yes, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a diaper. You're babying them, infantilizing. I said,
Speaker 1: that was what I was told. I was infanti by
Speaker 1: not using suppositories to force him.
Speaker 2: No, oh my.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I said, very This was a a school occupational therapist.
Speaker 1: And I said, not going to do that. He'll be
Speaker 1: ready when he's ready. And in fact, he was, this
Speaker 1: is why we don't need these books, because your kid's
Speaker 1: gonna be ready when they're ready, and they're gonna do
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do when they're gonna do what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, yes, that's like the dentist telling
Speaker 2: me to telling me to stop my kid from sucking
Speaker 2: her thumb when I had just had a baby. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I will not be doing that. I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: get through the night.
Speaker 1: You can write a book about bad parenting advice right
Speaker 1: from professionals. That's right. Oh. The teacher told me that
Speaker 1: I must take the keys away from my son, that
Speaker 1: keys were deaf to him. It's like, my god, it
Speaker 1: is the only thing. It is the thing that got
Speaker 1: him to talk because he wanted to ask people questions
Speaker 1: about keys. All right, just stay with us, stick with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, thank goodness for our family.
Speaker 1: Want them to do things with them, right, I give
Speaker 1: that away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Our family doctor when I was like, and
Speaker 2: then they told me you can't suck her with them anymore,
Speaker 2: And he was like, when you're a hammer, everything looks
Speaker 2: like a nail. Basically, when you're the dentist, you only
Speaker 2: care about their mouth. Yes, So thank goodness that he
Speaker 2: was reasonable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if he wasn't, still at her sucker thomb.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like at some point you know.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, the Orizondonnis got quite a lot of business,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't the dentist.
Speaker 1: It was the ordonn just handing up pamphlets, pamphlets. Let
Speaker 1: your child set their thumb until high school.
Speaker 2: It's fine, It's really fine.
Speaker 1: It's no problem. We can fix it. Yes, good, oh man,
Speaker 1: so much bad advice.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Have I told the story of one
Speaker 2: of my children, who shall remain nameless, was.
Speaker 1: Be very careful not to give a gender.
Speaker 2: I know was occasionally having accidents at in kindergarten and
Speaker 2: was given you know, they have like a box of
Speaker 2: spare underwear that they hand out in these situations, and
Speaker 2: it was and this child was given underwear with a
Speaker 2: cartoon character on it that they did not appreciate.
Speaker 1: And that was it.
Speaker 2: That was it. Like, I'm not doing that again. I
Speaker 2: don't want those stupid underwear.
Speaker 1: Like see, it's going to be something like that. It's
Speaker 1: not going to be something you could get out of
Speaker 1: a book. It's going to be just some fantastical stroke
Speaker 1: of luck or genius exactly, or desperation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And boy, the hammer and nail thing is really apt
Speaker 1: because there's so much of you must do this that
Speaker 1: does not take into account the impact on the family
Speaker 1: and the impact on the mental health of the parents.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well and just the whole forget about the
Speaker 2: whole family, but even just the whole child, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: like this dentis with all they were concerned about was
Speaker 2: the kid's thumbsucking, Like you know, the child has just
Speaker 2: had their life completely upended. They have a new sibling, like.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's start there, let a little company.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that was her.
Speaker 1: That it's not embarrassing.
Speaker 2: No, no, that's not the same story. So oh wow,
Speaker 2: So five years later.
Speaker 1: You can podcasts, however, completely trustworthy and you should absolutely
Speaker 1: listen as many parenting podcasts as you can, especially when
Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time talking about TV shows. Yes,
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