Speaker 1: Get ready for October sixth, twenty four. Allegedly, according to
Speaker 1: that thing we call a calendar, this is indeed the
Speaker 1: show you were looking for. How do I know that
Speaker 1: because you're hearing it. Anyway, we're live on the stream
Speaker 1: on a Sunday here on ocelly dot com. That's a
Speaker 1: little unusual, but so is the guest, so is the discussion.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, it's actually Monday where he's sitting.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that in a moment. We often
Speaker 1: talk about nine to eleven. It is October, so it's
Speaker 1: past the season for all the recognition of the anniversaries. However,
Speaker 1: recently on the ocell and the Greek rated Why which
Speaker 1: is subscriber only and only available through Patreon, you know,
Speaker 1: the Greek brought a guest, and he brought another guest,
Speaker 1: and the second guest he brought. The first one was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was about weather and this and that, and that
Speaker 1: was great and all. But the second guest is somebody
Speaker 1: he had talked about for years and I had never
Speaker 1: bothered to examine because I am quite well, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been infiltrated, I've been saturated, I've been absolutely nauseated,
Speaker 1: even by a lot of the ridiculousness that has gone
Speaker 1: along with the nine to eleven stuff, because I know
Speaker 1: that the government lied to me. I also know there
Speaker 1: are some people who have crazy ideas about, you know,
Speaker 1: lasers from space okay, And I know there's others that
Speaker 1: make up really strange things. I have gotten to a
Speaker 1: point where, look, the disaster that took place in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, the thing that I was in close
Speaker 1: proximity to, I almost didn't want to cover it anymore
Speaker 1: because there's almost nothing new to say. People want to
Speaker 1: just argue with me as to whether it happened or not,
Speaker 1: and I've got people contacting me all the time telling
Speaker 1: me nobody died. Hard for me to believe that, since
Speaker 1: again I lived in New Jersey. I tried to get
Speaker 1: to New York that day to dig people out of
Speaker 1: the rubble when it was an active emergency, before we
Speaker 1: had any idea what in the world it actually happened.
Speaker 1: And I supported people ever after there for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, not bothering to ask any questions anyway. The
Speaker 1: guy that the Greek brought on the show has a
Speaker 1: point of view that I've never explored on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been over the demolition possibility, We've been
Speaker 1: over the chemicals. I've had people from architects and engineers,
Speaker 1: you know this. We had Richard Gage on, We had
Speaker 1: all these other people on who were nine to eleven
Speaker 1: experts one way or another, who had told me about
Speaker 1: the film, who told me about things that were missing,
Speaker 1: who told me about different broadcasts at different times, and
Speaker 1: foreign countries maybe that were involved one way or another. Well,
Speaker 1: this is again a unique thing, and I'm actually privileged
Speaker 1: to have a special guest with me, Dimitri. Now, I
Speaker 1: got to tell you he's got a YouTube channel, he's
Speaker 1: got a telegram channel, he's got a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: And if you go, okay, just let me be careful here.
Speaker 1: If you go to nine eleventhology dot com, okay, which
Speaker 1: is nine one one t h O l O g
Speaker 1: y dot com, there you can begin to search Dmitri
Speaker 1: Kalazov's work. Hopefully I pronounced the Russian name correctly, because
Speaker 1: I do screw up Russian names. I'm good with the Italian,
Speaker 1: but not the Russian. Wonder why Kalizov which is spelled
Speaker 1: k h A l e z o V. And in fact,
Speaker 1: if you go to YouTube and you go at Dmitri
Speaker 1: Kalizov Dmitri spelled d I, M I t R I
Speaker 1: and Kalizov again k h A l E z o V.
Speaker 1: If you go there on YouTube, you can track down
Speaker 1: his work. And I'm also gonna give you a link
Speaker 1: to a telegram channel. We're gonna put all of that
Speaker 1: in the chatroom at Ocelli dot com and it'll be
Speaker 1: in the show notes. But anyway, enough out of my
Speaker 1: mouth on a Sunday, Dmitri, First of all, how are you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay, good evening, good evening.
Speaker 1: Well, you know this is for.
Speaker 2: Me, it's actually morning because I live in Thailand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you're in this evening. That's
Speaker 2: why I say, God.
Speaker 1: You're in Thailand. It's evening for me, it's mourning for you.
Speaker 1: But this is a fascinating discussion. Let's get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit. I learned in the discussion with
Speaker 1: the Greek the other day last week, really that that
Speaker 1: you had been in the I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 1: the Russian military or if you're old enough to have
Speaker 1: actually been in the Soviet military and transmitted it to
Speaker 1: the Russian so, okay, Soviet military. You answered that right away.
Speaker 1: When did you join the Soviet military? How old were you?
Speaker 1: What year was that?
Speaker 2: Oh? I was sixteen years when I joined the Soviet military.
Speaker 2: It was in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two. Okay, So you joined the Soviet military
Speaker 1: in eighty two and you were sixteen. Jeez, let's see
Speaker 1: now that makes you only six years older than me. Fascinating. Now,
Speaker 1: you were a Soviet soldier and then at some point
Speaker 1: did you become a Russian soldier? Did you just transfer
Speaker 1: from them?
Speaker 2: I have never become because when Soviet Union was let's say,
Speaker 2: collapsed or disappeared, divorced. Put it this way, I no
Speaker 2: longer want to join the Russian military. So I just
Speaker 2: dismissed from the Soviet military and I became a freeman.
Speaker 1: Ah. Okay, So when the Soviet military was over, you
Speaker 1: were finished with it. So what year was that about?
Speaker 2: You mean my position and the military?
Speaker 1: Yes, because you know, just because they tell us.
Speaker 2: When when I joined the military when I was sixteen,
Speaker 2: then I just have to study first in the military
Speaker 2: school for five years, and then I was a commissioned
Speaker 2: officer after that. That was in nineteen eighty seven, and
Speaker 2: after that I was appointed to a position in the
Speaker 2: I mean, after finishing the military school, I was appointed
Speaker 2: to a position within the so called twelfth Chief Directorate
Speaker 2: of the Soviet Military AH. And that twelfth Chief Directorate
Speaker 2: is an organization responsible for the nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's responsible for nuclear weapons. Now, I've been
Speaker 1: through other directorates because I studied the jfk assassination and
Speaker 1: had to study the stuff involving Oswald and his meetings
Speaker 1: with certain people that were tied to the KGB. And
Speaker 1: these different direct directorates actually are very specialized.
Speaker 2: It's not a KGB that is Department of the Military
Speaker 2: of the Ministry of Defense. The official name is the
Speaker 2: twelfth Chief Directorate of the Defense Ministry.
Speaker 1: Right But these directorates, I'm just saying, this is the
Speaker 1: division in Soviet in Soviet operations when it comes to
Speaker 1: military and intelligence, divided into very specific directorates that have jobs.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I wound up studying the KGB
Speaker 1: guys because they interacted with various people. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: know the story of Nochenko and you know the story
Speaker 1: of the people that met with lee RB Oswald, Say
Speaker 1: in Mexico City, you might have heard these things over
Speaker 1: the years, and of course there was a suspicion of
Speaker 1: Soviet involvement when Kennedy was assassinated and all that nonsense.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into any of that with you,
Speaker 1: because we got a deeper topic to go to, but
Speaker 1: I wanted a little bit of your background, because the
Speaker 1: Soviet military disbands quite a bit before nine to eleven occurs.
Speaker 1: But you end up taking an interest in nine to eleven. Now,
Speaker 1: I assume you're still over in that part of the world.
Speaker 1: You weren't in America in two thousand and one as
Speaker 1: far as I know, So how did you become even
Speaker 1: interested outside of the fact that the rest of the
Speaker 1: world got interested in what the hell just went on
Speaker 1: here in New York and Washington, How did you even
Speaker 1: become inter rested in the topic and go deeply into
Speaker 1: it outside of just watching the news and what was
Speaker 1: being reported.
Speaker 2: There was some quite a few aspects why I became
Speaker 2: particularly interested, But the main point is that during my
Speaker 2: service in the military, I mean I alslready explained to
Speaker 2: you that after finishing the military school, I was sent
Speaker 2: to serve in the twelfth Achieve Directorate first, and then
Speaker 2: while there I was appointed to a position in the
Speaker 2: smaller organization that was called the Soviet Special Control Service.
Speaker 2: That was organization detecting Nuclear Explosions.
Speaker 1: M detecting nuclear explosions. So you were monitoring these things
Speaker 1: what across the planet?
Speaker 2: Yes, everyway, because they can detect any any nuclear explosion
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: And the idea is to keep track of tests and
Speaker 1: if anybody becoming aggressive and things like that. So that okay, well,
Speaker 1: this is sort of intelligence. This is intelligence work, right,
Speaker 1: just yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, in fact, in fact, initially this organization was considered
Speaker 2: to be a nuclear intelligence and initially it belongs to
Speaker 2: the g r U. The gr U that is like
Speaker 2: another Chief Directorate of that is responsible for the military
Speaker 2: intelligence in the General Staff of the military. But after
Speaker 2: that they they they when they created this organization, that
Speaker 2: was the part of the g r U, but several
Speaker 2: times they the whole the whole organization, the whole Special
Speaker 2: Control Service was transferred from. First they transferred it from
Speaker 2: the gr U to the twelf Chief Directory. After they
Speaker 2: transferred that back to g r U. After that they
Speaker 2: transferred that to the Commander of the Chemical Forces. After
Speaker 2: that they transferred again back to the twelve chief Directory.
Speaker 2: I mean several times it changed the hands this organization,
Speaker 2: but initially it was from the gru That's why they
Speaker 2: called it the Nuclear Intelligence before, especially in the West,
Speaker 2: but in the Russia they just called it Special Control Service.
Speaker 2: So while serving there, I served there for five years
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty seven and until the end of the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union. And while serving there, it came to my
Speaker 2: notice that divin towers of the World Trade Center in
Speaker 2: New York, that was so called emergency nuclear demolition scheme,
Speaker 2: how they called it in Russia, and that was based
Speaker 2: on two underground nuclear charges. So that's what I knew
Speaker 2: from the military, and that I knew way long before
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. I knew that they still in the
Speaker 2: end of seven ages and the end of ages.
Speaker 1: Right, only as little as maybe maybe ten years before
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, you were basically.
Speaker 2: Told probably twelve fees, I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe twelve years somewhere in there, you're told that
Speaker 1: there are existing nuclear devices, just to be clear, that
Speaker 1: are underground but in the area of the World Trade Center,
Speaker 1: that are meant to be part of a scheme for
Speaker 1: demolition purposes. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, not just demolition. What I remember it
Speaker 2: was emergency demolition.
Speaker 1: Emergency demolition. Okay, yes, were you was this special? Was
Speaker 1: this the only one? Or were there many of these
Speaker 1: types of things in many places that you were right away?
Speaker 2: By the time I served in the Soviet military, I
Speaker 2: only heard about the ones under trin Towers. But when
Speaker 2: I already started to make my research, like in two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and many people
Speaker 2: begin to contact me who were concerned with that, I
Speaker 2: found out that there were more. There were also one
Speaker 2: in the United Nations Building in New York, in Shears
Speaker 2: Tower in Chicago, and several more, and also somewhere abroad,
Speaker 2: also run by the Americans. There were some in Japan,
Speaker 2: some in Saudi Arabia, and also later I found that
Speaker 2: probably also in the also in Malaysia, in Kuala Lumpur,
Speaker 2: the capital of Malaysia. And also I found later that
Speaker 2: most not confirmed, but most likely in Someway in South Korea.
Speaker 1: So before the events of nine to eleven, you were
Speaker 1: aware only the Twin Towers, but later, yes, you found
Speaker 1: out the rest.
Speaker 2: I found from the people who contacted me in like
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Eight, and they told you about stuff that was all
Speaker 1: over the place. I mean all over America for sure,
Speaker 1: and some other places, and all of it was controlled
Speaker 1: by the United States to your knowledge.
Speaker 2: I mean yes, of course, because they are based on
Speaker 2: the nuclear charges, and the countries like Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan,
Speaker 2: Malaysia do not have nuclear weapons and nuclear charges of
Speaker 2: their own, So it should be like a commercial project
Speaker 2: joined with the Americans, because only Americans can possess the
Speaker 2: nuclear devices.
Speaker 1: Well, because I'm thinking to myself, the Soviets and then
Speaker 1: the Russians had control of nuclear weapons, did they have
Speaker 1: some devices like this that we knew of? You know?
Speaker 1: That's what I was curious about. I'm thinking what other
Speaker 1: nuclear nations might possibly have this? But you happen to
Speaker 1: mention that only the United States is what you were
Speaker 1: informed about, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the problem is that the Russians will never
Speaker 2: be so crazy as to use the nuclear devices to
Speaker 2: Demolis building. So just just too much for the Russians.
Speaker 2: So that you can presume that that was the American
Speaker 2: project initially, and then they just decided to go commercial
Speaker 2: and they offered that to the other building developers. Like
Speaker 2: those in Malaysia, in Japan and Saudi Arabia. No, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: not in Saudi Arabia. I'm sorry for mistake in the
Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I was gonna add that was my not.
Speaker 2: In Saudi Arabia. That is, I just pronounced our wrong
Speaker 2: country from the United Arab emir Rates. And later I
Speaker 2: also I still do not have the confirmation, but I
Speaker 2: have a very strong suspicion that in South Korea also, okay.
Speaker 1: So United Arab Emirates is a small conglomeration of these
Speaker 1: anybody countries that came together under one flag at a
Speaker 1: certain point. But no, not Saudi Arabia. You mean the UAE,
Speaker 1: which again including places like jarge Are and stuff like
Speaker 1: that previously, and they were all under you know, British
Speaker 1: control at a certain point, and then they became united
Speaker 1: and dusty the UAE as it exists today, okay, just
Speaker 1: to be clear. And so, but you didn't find out
Speaker 1: about that until long after the events of two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. Of September eleventh, two thousand and one, So
Speaker 1: how did you again become informed about two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: You're out of the military you're you're now not part
Speaker 1: of the UH. Did you You were finished with doing
Speaker 1: the other work too? You weren't with the UH, with
Speaker 1: the bureau gru or otherwise or what?
Speaker 2: Okay? When no, I was totally free, I didn't. I
Speaker 2: was not connected to the military in any manner. But
Speaker 2: the problem is that because my knowledge of the existence
Speaker 2: of the nuclear demolition charges under the Twin Towers was
Speaker 2: very deep in my memory, I can't forget it, so
Speaker 2: I just always remember that.
Speaker 1: Well it's pretty crazy, crazy, you know, but sorry.
Speaker 2: So when when I saw that the twin towers collapsed
Speaker 2: in a very strange way, that the steel was in
Speaker 2: the most part transformed into the still dust which was
Speaker 2: very fluffy and offer no resistance to the falling tops
Speaker 2: of the twin towers, you remember how they fall, They
Speaker 2: followed the free fall speed. That means under the falling
Speaker 2: tops of the towers there were no resistance. Basically, I
Speaker 2: mean that the steel powder was so fine that it
Speaker 2: offers no more resistence than the sin air. So it's
Speaker 2: just that's why it was the free fall speed. Actually,
Speaker 2: because if that was something like a big part of
Speaker 2: the construction, they will delay the collapse. Yeah, consider so
Speaker 2: she'll not be a free fall speed. That will be
Speaker 2: maybe a maybe one or two seconds per per flow
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing that fell straight down too.
Speaker 1: That's another thing is that you know, if it was
Speaker 1: some resistance here there, it would become irregular at some
Speaker 1: point and not fall uniform straight down, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what you're thinking as well, right, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and so on. Once I see how
Speaker 2: the towers collapsed, I remember that the actually emergency demolition
Speaker 2: nuclear devices under it, which I knew twelve years prior
Speaker 2: to that, and it wasn't my memory anyway, So I
Speaker 2: just need to connect the things. So if the towers
Speaker 2: collapsed in a strange way, and I knew that there
Speaker 2: were emergency nuclear demolition devices under the twin towers, should
Speaker 2: be that they used them to demolish the towers. And
Speaker 2: finally they called the place of the collapse of the
Speaker 2: twin towers ground zero. And ground zero I mean the
Speaker 2: name of ground zero was given was awarded to the
Speaker 2: place twelve minutes after the collapse of the first of
Speaker 2: the twin towers. Means they were already called ground zero
Speaker 2: before even the second twin tower collapse. So and the
Speaker 2: ground zero in English language of the end of the
Speaker 2: year two thousand and one had only a single meaning,
Speaker 2: a hippocenter of a nuclear explosion or its projection onto
Speaker 2: the Earth's surface. So if some place is officially called
Speaker 2: a hippocenter of a nuclear explosion, then should be a
Speaker 2: hip center of a nuclear explosion.
Speaker 1: It is very obvious, right, And now it's become a
Speaker 1: common thing in English to say the epicenter of anything
Speaker 1: actually can be ground zero four something right, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, But you have to understand that the American government
Speaker 2: was so just per weight after the nuclear demolition of
Speaker 2: the tree towers and the building seven July seven was
Speaker 2: also demolished by the nuclear explorer. By the way, there
Speaker 2: were three not two two and yes, and so that
Speaker 2: the American government was so much concerned that they called
Speaker 2: the police ground zero without thinking first what they are doing.
Speaker 2: After that, they have to hide the meaning of the
Speaker 2: ground zero. So they order all the dictionaries, all the
Speaker 2: publishers of the dictionars dictionaries to make the new editions
Speaker 2: of the dictionaries after the year two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: so that they will be expanded definitions of ground zero.
Speaker 2: They tried to ascribe like from three to seven new
Speaker 2: meanings to the ground zero. It will not be so
Speaker 2: obvious the only single meaning. But you have to understand
Speaker 2: that by the end of two thousand and one, it
Speaker 2: was not yet by that time American dictionaries, but only
Speaker 2: a single definition of ground zero.
Speaker 1: Well, within a couple of months in the real world publishing,
Speaker 1: not digital digital you can instantly change things, right, But
Speaker 1: in the days when you actually printed books, and you
Speaker 1: had many printed books, and that's what you depended upon.
Speaker 1: What you're telling me is in the course of those
Speaker 1: just very few months, they had enforced this expanded definition
Speaker 1: on all of the literature.
Speaker 2: Not in a few months, not in a few months.
Speaker 2: They give the order to do that. But you know
Speaker 2: that it's not easier to reprint the dictionary, right, so
Speaker 2: it they begin actually to printing the first few dictionaries
Speaker 2: in the two thousand and two but the majority from
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. So it means even the dictionaries
Speaker 2: printed in two thousand and two, in the earlier two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, many of them they still have the
Speaker 2: single definition of ground zero, but after two thousand and
Speaker 2: three they become more or less expanded.
Speaker 1: Well again, real world printing. They would have already started
Speaker 1: on the two two thousand and two dictionaries in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, so they would have been working on
Speaker 1: that before this happened, right, So obviously.
Speaker 2: Okay, I tell you some funny story because I actually
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time studying the dictionary. Is how
Speaker 2: they changed the definition of ground zero. And I found
Speaker 2: a very interesting thing that was a very famous, big
Speaker 2: unabridged American dictionary and not be I think American, called
Speaker 2: Random House. Random House Dictionaries is the second big English dictionary.
Speaker 2: So the next web the first dictionary that has the
Speaker 2: expanded definition of ground zero has the ISB a number
Speaker 2: register on September eleventh, two thousand and one. Well that
Speaker 2: means yeah, that means I can even send you a
Speaker 2: screenshot you if you want. So that means that when America,
Speaker 2: the majority of Americans were in shore of what is
Speaker 2: going on with the collapse of the World Trail Center,
Speaker 2: the publisher of the Random House Dictionaries were busy registered
Speaker 2: in new SBN for the new dictionary, so that they
Speaker 2: didn't publish it, of course in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: They published it probably next year, but the ISBN for
Speaker 2: that they registered in September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is the Library of Congress
Speaker 1: registration number, which is that ISBN. They use that to
Speaker 1: put it in our Library of Congress, which is supposed
Speaker 1: to hold all of the books that are printed in
Speaker 1: English in America, all of them.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, no, a bit not that in America.
Speaker 2: They have two two numbers. One is they call a
Speaker 2: Congress Library catalog number. Right, there's ones, I guess, I
Speaker 2: guess maybe it is five or six digits or maybe
Speaker 2: eight digits, but it's not so long. But the ISBN
Speaker 2: is I think it's eleven units long. It's another number
Speaker 2: that is used for internationally.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the international one. But they're registered with the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress with two numbers. Yeah right, right, go ahead.
Speaker 2: For the random house. Did you stopped in the September eleventh,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, that I guess they did. You
Speaker 2: just have ISBN number, but probably also Congress Library got
Speaker 2: a number maybe also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well the Library of Congress is is uh never,
Speaker 1: the dates are never right, by the way, when you
Speaker 1: submit to the patent and copyrights and there's a whole process.
Speaker 1: So what happens is those dates are not exactly correct.
Speaker 1: You have to try and register the date ahead of
Speaker 1: with the date you want always, but they couldn't do
Speaker 1: that in this case. They would have had to a
Speaker 1: registered either on that date or after and the ISBN.
Speaker 1: That's that's really remarkable. I'd love to see that. Uh
Speaker 1: you said you have a schedule, and have you ever
Speaker 1: showed that in a video? By the way, have you
Speaker 1: ever shown this in one of your videos on YouTube
Speaker 1: or telegram.
Speaker 2: Or something a video about diction of this, just to
Speaker 2: show it.
Speaker 1: As an example somewhere, like here's a screenshot of this,
Speaker 1: and you show it to me.
Speaker 2: But they couldn't do it with you if you want, Hey.
Speaker 1: Look, no pressure or anything. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you some more about this. Get through a few more
Speaker 1: things here, because we've taken a little while already and
Speaker 1: I've only gotten through part of the story. So look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, I'm not saying that I absolutely
Speaker 1: believe everything, because I want to see for myself what
Speaker 1: you see, and that's how I go about these things.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you what is the best piece of
Speaker 1: evidence Because a lot of people listening to this could say, look,
Speaker 1: this guy's crazy. He's telling us some crazy Russian story.
Speaker 1: And they make things up about America. You know, even
Speaker 1: amongst themselves in the military, sometimes they give them weird
Speaker 1: ideas because they want them to do certain things. This
Speaker 1: and that. Americans have crazy ideas, especially about they hear
Speaker 1: that Russian accent, and some of them, if they're old enough,
Speaker 1: they go back to the Soviet mistrust, the whole craziness,
Speaker 1: all of that. Let's put all that garbage aside, guys,
Speaker 1: and let me ask you, Dmitri, like, what would be
Speaker 1: your best piece of proof that you could show somebody
Speaker 1: who says, look, I don't know what happened, but maybe
Speaker 1: I don't believe the official story. But how are you
Speaker 1: going to convince me that nukes were used here? Because
Speaker 1: when you have problems afterwards from the nuclear weapons, I mean,
Speaker 1: what is your best proof to show somebody, Look, this
Speaker 1: is why it's nuclear weapons. It's not you know, some
Speaker 1: chemical they sprayed on and it's a chemical reaction that
Speaker 1: makes things burn and all kinds of ideas people have
Speaker 1: come out with, right, lasers, all this stuff. What is
Speaker 1: your best proof that this is nuclear material? I mean,
Speaker 1: I could tell you about the dust that came all
Speaker 1: the way across into New Jersey. I witnessed that myself
Speaker 1: in Bayonne, in Jersey City. It came across the Hudson
Speaker 1: River and into New Jersey and covered things like almost
Speaker 1: as if it was snowing. There was so much dust
Speaker 1: from those buildings that exploded everywhere that when you know,
Speaker 1: in all directions, But how is it? And I can
Speaker 1: tell you that I was able to touch that, see
Speaker 1: that live it. How could you tell us that the
Speaker 1: best piece of proof to say, look, this is the
Speaker 1: best piece of prove. I can show you that you
Speaker 1: can see yourself that this is nuclear. What would be
Speaker 1: the best thing.
Speaker 2: That's many, many things that will point to that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I give you a few examples, sure. First of all,
Speaker 2: First of all, twelve minutes before the second of the
Speaker 2: two towers, I think the first one was the salt
Speaker 2: tower that was collapsing, not the one without antenna, that
Speaker 2: was the South tower. So twelve minutes after the south
Speaker 2: South tower was down, the North tower, the one with
Speaker 2: antenna was still standing. But the police was already called
Speaker 2: ground zero. Okay, so ground zero. I can even send
Speaker 2: you some some cuts from the from the TV footage
Speaker 2: that TV correspondents already called that ground zero, and they
Speaker 2: obviously learned that from my American officials called the place
Speaker 2: ground zero.
Speaker 1: Right, there was a lot of weird stuff that day.
Speaker 1: I watched and listened to the stuff in New York,
Speaker 1: so believe me, I had those broadcasts from the helicopters
Speaker 1: Channel seven, you know, WABC, WNBC, all the main networks
Speaker 1: that were right there, even the one that lost broadcast.
Speaker 1: I was watching that stuff. So yeah, I know about
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: So do you remember how quickly they started to use
Speaker 2: the term ground zero?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was very quick. I couldn't tell you exactly
Speaker 1: twelve minutes. You may be correct, because it was almost immediately,
Speaker 1: almost immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost immediately.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: But what I say twelve means that means that the
Speaker 2: TV channels started to use it publicly. Maybe the American
Speaker 2: officials started even after five means I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to pass to them earlier in order
Speaker 1: for those anchors to have a note for something on
Speaker 1: a screen in front of them already. Yes, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 2: So if some places called because the ground zero in
Speaker 2: the dictionaries of the two thousand and one had no
Speaker 2: other meaning than a place of a nuclear explorer. So
Speaker 2: if something is officially called the place of a nuclear explosion,
Speaker 2: then it should be a place of a nuclear explosion.
Speaker 2: Is very obvious. Okay, this is the first point. The
Speaker 2: second point, I mean, this is the hardest. Actually. The
Speaker 2: second point is when lady silverstain Silverstein, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you pronounced his surname, the one who was the
Speaker 2: owner of the Larry owner of the Yeah, Larry Silverstein, Silverstein, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when he was the new owner of the World Trade Center,
Speaker 2: when he was unhappy with some actions of the American government.
Speaker 2: I think they he was not happy that they didn't
Speaker 2: pay him enough insurance or something. That he published on
Speaker 2: his website photographs of the cavities under the Twin Towers.
Speaker 2: I mean, and you can see that these cavities are
Speaker 2: very deep, and the walls of these cavities were obviously
Speaker 2: showing signs of the molten rock. I think you disappeared.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm still here. I just closed my camera
Speaker 1: for a moment. Sorry, but we're still recording.
Speaker 2: It's okay, okay, yeah, okay. So in those photographs published
Speaker 2: by Larry Silverstein on his website, you can see the
Speaker 2: huge guyant cavities under the twin towers. They were probably
Speaker 2: like from from one hundred to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: meters deep and with the horizontal diameters probably sixty or
Speaker 2: fifty meters. I mean, it's really huge cavities. And you
Speaker 2: can see the walls showing the science of the molten rock.
Speaker 2: They were partly already covered with the concrete because they
Speaker 2: have to fix them, but you can still see how
Speaker 2: huge they were. And only the underground nuclear explosion of
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty kiloton yield would be able
Speaker 2: to dig that such kind of underground cavity in the rock.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that there is such a
Speaker 1: huge cavity carved out of the out of the ground
Speaker 1: there that this massive cavity has to have been caused
Speaker 1: by something that detonated inside there, and you believe that
Speaker 1: the only way it could have been done is with
Speaker 1: a nuclear device. The silver Stein thing you're talking about
Speaker 1: is that he wanted to be paid twice for two
Speaker 1: different events events when it came to the insurance rights
Speaker 1: just my memory, and because they weren't paying both, then
Speaker 1: he started publishing things because he wanted to get paid twice,
Speaker 1: and the insurance company was trying to say, look, that
Speaker 1: was one terrorist attack, not too you know, and he's saying, well,
Speaker 1: look it's two towers, it's two events. And that was
Speaker 1: the argument supposedly in public. I've come to understand there
Speaker 1: was probably much more to it, but that was what
Speaker 1: was shown in public. Demetri, right, Yes, that's what you're
Speaker 1: referring to. Okay, so this giant is.
Speaker 2: Actually lighty sin. He published two dangerous things, very dangerous.
Speaker 2: One thing that he published photographs of the cavities in
Speaker 2: which he should not publish because that is the hardest
Speaker 2: proof of the nuclear explosions under the twin towers. And
Speaker 2: the second thing what he did in one of his interviews.
Speaker 2: I think it was called Dimitical Rebils of two thousand
Speaker 2: and two or something like that. I think you again disappeared.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you see me, go, it's no problem. I'm
Speaker 1: just taking off camera per second to take care of something.
Speaker 1: I don't want to show anybody. I'm just they can
Speaker 1: hear you, they can see you, they don't see me
Speaker 1: for a minute. That's all.
Speaker 2: That's because I'm not sure what Maybe I thought, maybe
Speaker 2: the connection was lost or something.
Speaker 1: No, no, we're still connected. Don't worry. I'm just not
Speaker 1: showing you so I can do something off camera.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, yeah, understand, okay, So and he published he
Speaker 2: during that interview with some journalists, she was asked what
Speaker 2: happened with the Building seven and he answered, and he
Speaker 2: answered that he personally I give a permission to the
Speaker 2: officials to demolished Building seven, and they demolished it with
Speaker 2: his permission.
Speaker 1: This is the famous pullet, right, This is I told
Speaker 1: them there was enough loss of life, just pull it, okay, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: And this one is another hard proof that. Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course that doesn't prove that it was particularly nuclear, but
Speaker 2: it was at least a proof that the Building seven
Speaker 2: has a built in demolition.
Speaker 1: Feature, right, because anybody they can talk.
Speaker 2: Quickly demolis, you know, to prepare a control demolition that
Speaker 2: takes weeks.
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, many times. I was just going to show.
Speaker 2: Demolis building in a second lay in the mean by
Speaker 2: getting just someone's permission, right, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: They've shown documentaries all about destroying stuff, say in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: where they took down the casinos and they would go
Speaker 1: in there for a couple of weeks and they would
Speaker 1: saw beams and they would set charges and make charge
Speaker 1: cords and things like this and set them all up
Speaker 1: and prepare the whole area. And this would be usually
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks for one of these hotels.
Speaker 2: Is at least at least this couple of weeks is
Speaker 2: just to install the charges, right, But a few weeks
Speaker 2: it will it will take to study how to install them.
Speaker 2: And we have to install them.
Speaker 1: Yes, they survey everything and they figure out, look, here's
Speaker 1: where the weight it's going to go. And what we
Speaker 1: want to do is make sure these beams come out first.
Speaker 2: So imagine that Lighty Silverstein gives his permission to demolish
Speaker 2: the building seven and just like maybe thirty or forty
Speaker 2: or maybe fifty minutes, it is demolished. So we understand
Speaker 2: that it's impossible unless the building has a built in
Speaker 2: demolition feature.
Speaker 1: The only logic is that the ability to demolish the
Speaker 1: building was already there. That's the only logical thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, is is okay? So that is the hard
Speaker 2: proof that there's something is really built in. Yes, And
Speaker 2: I can show you a few clips from the footage
Speaker 2: of the nine to eleven where the officials, especially fire
Speaker 2: department officials, refer to the fact that the building has
Speaker 2: the demolition feature. They not say that particular nuclear, but
Speaker 2: they say that some demolition feature was built into the
Speaker 2: Twin Towers. I can send you this clip if you want.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't mind seeing all these things. But again,
Speaker 1: I I'm sorry to press you, but I say, what
Speaker 1: about specifically the nuclear part of this? Outside? Okay, what
Speaker 1: you were told? I mean, I'm just wondering what you
Speaker 1: could show to someone else to say, look objectively.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will explain, yes, please. So, first of all,
Speaker 2: the hardest proof I believe that is the police. No, actually,
Speaker 2: the hardest proof you know that is my testimony. Okay,
Speaker 2: because I say, okay, I'm a former military officer who
Speaker 2: served in the department that was responsible for the detection
Speaker 2: of a nuclear explorer, and I claim that the twelve
Speaker 2: years prior to nine to eleven, it came to my
Speaker 2: knowledge that under the Twin Towers for nuclear demolition and
Speaker 2: devices emergency nuclear demolition devices. That is my testimony. You
Speaker 2: know that if you come to the court and you testify,
Speaker 2: the court has to believe you because that is the
Speaker 2: primary evidence. So the primary evidence is just my words.
Speaker 1: Well, they test whether you should have this knowledge first, right,
Speaker 1: they do what they call it, in which case I
Speaker 1: would say to you, Okay, look, you were meant to
Speaker 1: monitor explosions, and you were not in that department at
Speaker 1: the time of the explosion. So you're telling me that
Speaker 1: not only do you monitor explosions, but you must also
Speaker 1: monitor the potential.
Speaker 2: You can imagine the point of logic if you can
Speaker 2: call it logic and not a mockery or logic that Okay,
Speaker 2: Let's say that the two towers, the twin towers, and
Speaker 2: that is the built in nuclear demolition feature, but the people,
Speaker 2: for some stupid reason, decided not to use the nuclear devices,
Speaker 2: but decided to use so called none termite or beams
Speaker 2: from the space. Okay, just ordinary DNA might or the TNT.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense if the building have a nuclear
Speaker 2: demolition feature they have to use it.
Speaker 1: Well, is there any Is there any independent proofs you
Speaker 1: have outside of your testimony, your knowledge which you were
Speaker 1: given privileged knowledge. Obviously the whole world didn't know this,
Speaker 1: so you had privileged knowledge because of your position. Do
Speaker 1: you have any other independent proofs that you could show
Speaker 1: or people could.
Speaker 2: Yes, I it was not published in English, but in
Speaker 2: Russian there is the video of one guy who is
Speaker 2: not connected to me in any way of what he
Speaker 2: knows me and I know him, but he's not directly
Speaker 2: connected to me. And he published his own video, again
Speaker 2: not connected to me, with his own knowledge about the
Speaker 2: new clear demolition devices of the twin towers. And he
Speaker 2: technical details details than I did because I made the
Speaker 2: technical research, so I know many technical details, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: He just only have the basic knowledge of that. And
Speaker 2: this video is available in Russian YouTube. And this guy
Speaker 2: was not a small guy. He was connected to the
Speaker 2: to the government of President Hilsen before. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was the guy from the top of the of the
Speaker 2: Russian establishment. I would say, okay, so you know he knew,
Speaker 2: he knew for sure.
Speaker 1: So a guy much higher up. So a guy much
Speaker 1: higher up was also informed about this in the Russian government.
Speaker 1: And he has since come forward and said that these
Speaker 1: things existed and maybe he only needed to know it
Speaker 1: for strategic purposes or whatever. But your job was more
Speaker 1: about technical analysis, so you had more technical details to offer.
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying. I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2: And also you have to understand that, of course, uh
Speaker 2: part two of us, A lot of people knew about
Speaker 2: this in Russia.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But the problem is that many people were pressed by
Speaker 2: the Russian government to sign a non disclosure contract because
Speaker 2: they don't want to antagonize Americans. They just want to
Speaker 2: to hide that story. Okay. So many people know that,
Speaker 2: but they will never talk because of the non disclosure contract.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Did you have a non disclosure agreement?
Speaker 2: Me? No, because when I was yeah, of course I
Speaker 2: have the non disclosure contract when I serve in the
Speaker 2: Soviet military. But the problem is that this non disclosure
Speaker 2: contract is related to my to my duties.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But the things that I knew about the nuclear demolition
Speaker 2: of the devices of in the twin towers, it was
Speaker 2: not connected to my duties in any manner. It's just
Speaker 2: digital knowledge.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is not connected to something that you
Speaker 1: had assigned an agreement to not disclose. This is something okay,
Speaker 1: I understand now. So you gain this knowledge, but it's
Speaker 1: not connected directly to okay.
Speaker 2: And directly directly connected to my.
Speaker 1: So we have two independent witnesses, is what you're saying,
Speaker 1: that had this knowledge in advance of what occurred in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. And there must be some residual
Speaker 1: signs though afterwards, right, there must be something we could
Speaker 1: measure or find out afterwards.
Speaker 2: Of course you can measure. But if you remember, after
Speaker 2: the demolition of the twin towers, lower Manfettan, Manhattan was
Speaker 2: immediately sealed very tightly, and all people evacuated and even
Speaker 2: emergency vehicles were not allowed to ground zero until the
Speaker 2: next morning. You remember that.
Speaker 1: Well, there was quite a bit of confusion. They closed
Speaker 1: the island off completely, so people trying to get over there.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I was there when they closed it, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I was trying to get over there because they
Speaker 1: literally were calling for people please help come dig. As
Speaker 1: far as I knew, people were immediately trying to help dig,
Speaker 1: to get people out of these areas, you know, and
Speaker 1: trying to pick up some of the stuff. And they
Speaker 1: brought in machinery that was going on immediately, and outside
Speaker 1: of any other vehicles or anything else coming in, only
Speaker 1: some things that could move big pieces of stuff were
Speaker 1: allowed to go in there to try and help dig.
Speaker 1: Other than that, they stopped all the rest of the
Speaker 1: traffic because there was already a bunch of traffic and
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of cars that got stuck there
Speaker 1: that were damaged and such, so they couldn't move a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of things that clogged up everything, you know,
Speaker 1: and the debris also, which was in a bunch of
Speaker 1: different places. You got to understand, New York is a
Speaker 1: grid sort of. You know, the roads the way they are,
Speaker 1: they are connected to vertical and horizontal, and you have
Speaker 1: a grid. So what happened is because that grid was
Speaker 1: stopped up, they immediately stop any traffic coming in all
Speaker 1: of it pretty much, unless it's you know, authorized specially
Speaker 1: to come in and this and that, and it goes
Speaker 1: through these different checkpoints to even get in there. So
Speaker 1: all traffic stopped in that part of what I call
Speaker 1: the island, Manhattan Island. This is what I got to
Speaker 1: be told through people who were over there. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get there myself, so it's kind of a little dicey there.
Speaker 1: They didn't allow anything coming in unless it was a vehicle.
Speaker 1: They said they needed it, you know. And like I said,
Speaker 1: some of these earth movers or cranes or whatever, they
Speaker 1: allowed some of them in, but even a lot of
Speaker 1: them were not allowed in trucks. A lot of guys
Speaker 1: you want to go in there, and dig. You had
Speaker 1: to stop way outside of it and walk in to
Speaker 1: get there. A lot of them, you know, that occurred.
Speaker 1: And but you see on TV they show you the firemen,
Speaker 1: they show you all these guys, but those people are
Speaker 1: many blocks away that they're showing you on TV. Mostly
Speaker 1: if you know what you know, if you understand New
Speaker 1: York because I lived there too.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, the firstly, what you correctly say that
Speaker 2: the people that you might see in the TV, they
Speaker 2: were many blocks away, yes, okay. And you remember that
Speaker 2: immediately after the towers collapsed, they pushed all the people
Speaker 2: from immediate vicinity of the twin Towers and the Building
Speaker 2: seven also, and they sealed over Manhattan for that at
Speaker 2: least next morning, even the emergency medical services will not
Speaker 2: allowed you know why because after the nuclear explosion, the
Speaker 2: highest levels levels of of gumma radiation I in the
Speaker 2: first first few hours, they they drop quite quickly. So
Speaker 2: let's say that, uh, I can't remember exactly, but but
Speaker 2: by the next morning compared to the to the evening
Speaker 2: of September eleventh, the radiation levels by gumma radiation can
Speaker 2: subside considerably. Means means let's say that if you were.
Speaker 2: If you were in the immediate vicinity of the twin
Speaker 2: hours after the demolition, Let's say that in the next
Speaker 2: three hours and you spend the whole three hours there,
Speaker 2: you you will probably get a double mortal dose of radiation.
Speaker 2: You will probably not survive.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But if you come there next morning under the radiation
Speaker 2: control and they allow you to work there only for
Speaker 2: half an hour af out inhaling the radioactive weapon, just
Speaker 2: protect yourself with the respirator or the gas mask, and
Speaker 2: they control you being there just for no longer than
Speaker 2: thirty minutes, you still can be okay. I mean, you
Speaker 2: will not get the radiation doors that will make you sick.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So and the next day you might work there, let's
Speaker 2: say for an hour instead of half an hour. And
Speaker 2: the next day you can probably even work there just
Speaker 2: like for maybe two or three hours under the tight
Speaker 2: radiation control. Of course, but you can still do but
Speaker 2: not in the first few hours and the first few hours,
Speaker 2: the radiation levels were just too high to work there
Speaker 2: even for a few minutes. That's why they kick all
Speaker 2: the people out from there.
Speaker 1: Well, what's amazing about that is that they obviously didn't
Speaker 1: do good job with it because they didn't die, you know,
Speaker 1: right away. They weren't immediately sick. But over a couple
Speaker 1: of you know, over a few months, a few years,
Speaker 1: these people got all kinds of crazy cancers and lung problems,
Speaker 1: and they were all sick. You know. Anybody who worked
Speaker 1: there for almost any amount of time became ill, and
Speaker 1: most of them died early.
Speaker 2: Most yes, but this one is another story. I can
Speaker 2: explain to you why it happens. Okay, because because the
Speaker 2: radiation has a different aspects. Okay, there is a guma radiation.
Speaker 2: Guma radiation is a penetrative means you cannot protect yourself
Speaker 2: from gum radiation by wearing the respirator or the gas
Speaker 2: mask because it will penetrate them anyway. So and the
Speaker 2: guma radiation subside quickly. I mean the dangerous levels that
Speaker 2: were for the in the first few hours will be
Speaker 2: reduced by maybe ten times. So next day, yeah, so
Speaker 2: it led you this. The gum radiation will subside to
Speaker 2: a reasonable levels.
Speaker 1: So lead shields don't do they protect you from gamma radiation?
Speaker 1: Is that the kind that you can be protected? The
Speaker 1: lead shield? Each one gamma radiation lead shield. Here's a
Speaker 1: lead shield. Does that protect you?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that will protect you, but it's heavy. You
Speaker 2: can't make the close from this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely. But I'm just saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you go to get an X ray and they
Speaker 1: put like the lead ap yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of that's what will protect you. But you can you can't.
Speaker 1: Move if you can, you can't breathe through lead either. There,
Speaker 1: you can't breathe through lead either. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to breathe, So problem there. Okay, now I'm just pointing it.
Speaker 2: Out when it comes when it comes to the gamma radiation,
Speaker 2: the radiation control works in this way. They will give
Speaker 2: you an individual dosimeter which has no scale, just like
Speaker 2: a cart like and then they will force you to
Speaker 2: submit discard every end of swift every evening to the
Speaker 2: central post where they can accummulate your summary. I mean
Speaker 2: some of your doors that you collect today, yesterday, the
Speaker 2: day before yesterday by the gumma radiation. So when they
Speaker 2: see that your doors is approaching the dangerous level, so
Speaker 2: that if you get more, you will get sick immediately
Speaker 2: because the people from guma radiation people will get sick
Speaker 2: in the next two or three days, not in a
Speaker 2: few months, it will be very quick. Then if the
Speaker 2: radiation control sees that some workers acquiring two close to
Speaker 2: the dangerous doors of the gamma radiation, they will remove
Speaker 2: him from the site. So they will find some some
Speaker 2: reasons say okay, look you cannot work here anymore. You
Speaker 2: have to work somewhere else. If they don't tell him
Speaker 2: the truth about the radiation, I mean, if it is
Speaker 2: a let's say, quiet radiation control, not official, not official republic.
Speaker 2: So that in ground zero they established the hidden radiation control.
Speaker 2: It was very tough, but it was not known for
Speaker 2: the workers that is actual radiation control. So the devices
Speaker 2: that they give to every worker on ground zero, they
Speaker 2: do not say that this is the dosimeter. They just
Speaker 2: say that is the special device to control the quality
Speaker 2: of air.
Speaker 1: Right, Because I was gonna say, I knew people that
Speaker 1: went down there to dig and help find people and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I know that they had no
Speaker 1: nobody ever mentioned to me, Any of these guys ever
Speaker 1: mentioned to me anything about radiation. Even if we didn't
Speaker 1: think there was nuclear or anything, maybe radiation was present,
Speaker 1: you know, none of that was ever mentioned. The only
Speaker 1: thing they talked about was the air quality, right, And
Speaker 1: the amount of the dust that was in the air.
Speaker 1: That was the big concern because they were trying to
Speaker 1: keep from breathing that, and they were pouring water on
Speaker 1: them to you know, wash it off, because they were
Speaker 1: completely covered in the dust. And these are people I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, who had done this.
Speaker 2: So that was the way how they attempted to hide
Speaker 2: the radiation dangers from the ground zero workers. I tell
Speaker 2: you one more thing, maybe in case it mess your attention.
Speaker 2: You know that the people who work at ground zero,
Speaker 2: they were not allowed to use the words ground zero.
Speaker 2: They have to call it officially the pile. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was a prohibition. The people who work on ground zero.
Speaker 2: They were just simply not allowed to use the word
Speaker 2: ground zero because the American government scared that maybe people
Speaker 2: can remember what the ground zero really means, so they
Speaker 2: just in order to prevent the remembering it, they just
Speaker 2: prohibited completely using that words. Every worker at ground zero
Speaker 2: had to call the place the pile.
Speaker 1: See. I don't remember that necessary. I do remember that
Speaker 1: it was mentioned in the news broadcast pretty much right away,
Speaker 1: and then a week or two later I would say
Speaker 1: everywhere you went it was ground zero, That's what it was.
Speaker 1: If you listen on the radio, if they gave a report,
Speaker 1: if they.
Speaker 2: Said that was very strict every way it was a
Speaker 2: ground zero. But around zero, the ground zero, they're not
Speaker 2: allowed to use that word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but everywhere else. I mean, because you
Speaker 1: look at the footage, you see people talking cleaning up.
Speaker 1: They they released other documentaries later. There's that documentary by
Speaker 1: the two German guys who were, you know, following the
Speaker 1: fireman around all of that stuff. You don't hear it,
Speaker 1: but about two weeks later, instantly, every report, every discussion,
Speaker 1: everything ground zero. That's just what it was, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was very I found that out at the time.
Speaker 1: So any other things that you would point people to
Speaker 1: to consider.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me finish about the white people get
Speaker 2: sick with the concept off the few months, a few years.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, sorry, I thought you were done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got part a part of guma radiation, there
Speaker 2: is also alpha radiation, right, So the gum radiation levels
Speaker 2: subside quite quickly.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: So the really dangerous levels of gum radiation were for
Speaker 2: the first few hours, right, relatively dangerous for the next
Speaker 2: three or four days. After that they subsided to reasonable levels.
Speaker 2: So over the.
Speaker 1: First three or four days the gamma radiations coming down,
Speaker 1: but it's still rather dangerous. You know, like you said,
Speaker 1: half hour you could work the first day, second day,
Speaker 1: maybe you could work an hour, maybe third day a
Speaker 1: couple hours, and then by yes, one week, two weeks,
Speaker 1: it's okay, maybe you can. But that's just the gamma radiation,
Speaker 1: so okay, ah.
Speaker 2: Yes, but still still that was under the tight radiation
Speaker 2: control which they called the control of the air quality.
Speaker 2: But the reality it was a radiation.
Speaker 1: Coming right because they kept talking about the air quality,
Speaker 1: that was the big thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, okay. So now we talk about the
Speaker 2: alpha radiation. Alpha radiation is another thing. Yes, the alpha
Speaker 2: radiation is something that doesn't subside so quickly as a
Speaker 2: gum radiation. It can last. And alpha radiation is not
Speaker 2: dangerous when it is outside of the human body because
Speaker 2: the human body is covered by the thin layer of
Speaker 2: the dead skin. Okay i' and the alpha radiation cannot
Speaker 2: penetrate that level of the dead skin. So that means
Speaker 2: the humans and animals are protected from alpha radiation by
Speaker 2: simply by their skin.
Speaker 1: Okay, But isn't that the one that they say is
Speaker 1: dangerous though? If you breathe it in. In other words,
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Need But the problem is when the people breathe it
Speaker 2: in or swallow it with the food. Right there is
Speaker 2: know that the layer of the dead skin inside our body.
Speaker 1: Ah okay, Because I was thinking to myself, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you escape it? If you're in the place
Speaker 1: you're breathing it, you know you're going to take everything
Speaker 1: is covered. Everything in that whole area was covered with
Speaker 1: the dust. So I'm imagining there's got to be radioactivity
Speaker 1: in the dust. If there's you know, this stuff, it's
Speaker 1: got to be everywhere. So you get any kind of food,
Speaker 1: you try to eat, even if the dust is gonna
Speaker 1: land on it, You're gonna eat something.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, let me correct you. Let me correct you.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the problem is that the dust that was the
Speaker 2: dust of the Twin Tower structure or the Mariodo Hotel
Speaker 2: structure or the Building seven structure, the dust itself was
Speaker 2: not radioactive because the nuclear demolition devices were deep underground.
Speaker 2: They were like seventy seven meters below the earth surface.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the dust itself was not radioactive because.
Speaker 2: That was all the dust was not radioactive. What was
Speaker 2: the radioactive is the weapon because because the the cavities
Speaker 2: left by underground nuclear explosions under the after under the
Speaker 2: rubbles of the twin towers and the building seven very hot.
Speaker 2: You remember that the firefighters had to use constantly water
Speaker 2: to for it inside the cavity to cool them dull.
Speaker 2: And the American government used to call it the longest
Speaker 2: lasting underground fires. That lusts for like a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were still being reported as burning and people said, oh,
Speaker 1: that's molten metal. And also there were you know, the
Speaker 1: firefighter's equipment. Some of it was melted and nobody could
Speaker 1: account for it. How hot does it have to be?
Speaker 1: Because that stuff is designed not to melt, right, And
Speaker 1: some of like you know, helmets were melted, and some
Speaker 1: of these coats, these coats are all meant it's obviously
Speaker 1: it's firefighter garretts, meant to not melt, yes, and some
Speaker 1: of it was melted. So you're telling me this is
Speaker 1: from the radiation.
Speaker 2: Actually that no, no, no, that is not from the radiation.
Speaker 2: That is from the heat. Because the left by the
Speaker 2: underground nuclear explosions under the rubble.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: Really they were like a cauldrons, you know, fool with
Speaker 2: the hot materials.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's why they're like a cauldron. And and it's
Speaker 1: just it's constantly keeping hot material hot like yes, like
Speaker 1: in a boundary, right okay.
Speaker 2: And if the American government left leave it, lift it
Speaker 2: on its own, they will cool down for about a
Speaker 2: year naturally.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we take one layer.
Speaker 2: And the American government was concerned to cool them down faster.
Speaker 2: They wanted as soon as possible to cool them down,
Speaker 2: so they ordered the firefighters to pour the cold water
Speaker 2: constantly into the carvages.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: And when this water hit the radioactive hot radioactive materials
Speaker 2: inside the carveates left by the nuclear explosions, the water
Speaker 2: was constantly.
Speaker 1: Vaporized, right, so it makes steam and then the steam
Speaker 1: comes up.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, And and you remember that it was always
Speaker 2: a steam coming up, yes, so. And and of course
Speaker 2: when when the hits the radioactive materials inside the cavities
Speaker 2: and vaporized, it will carry up some radioactive particles together
Speaker 2: with the paper. And the people who and the people
Speaker 2: who work at Ground zero didn't wear the gas masks
Speaker 2: or the respirators. They were just like normal. Some some
Speaker 2: of them were like like a cheap material like painting,
Speaker 2: like I mean like something like this. First cover their
Speaker 2: face and some of them just wear nothing. You remember
Speaker 2: that if you look at the picture, they were and
Speaker 2: they were drinking water and they were breathing that vapor.
Speaker 2: And the vapor was a radioactive actually because it didn't
Speaker 2: have the gum radiation, but it has the alpha radiation
Speaker 2: fallow the alpha radiation source. It will irradiate you from
Speaker 2: inside the body.
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I was asking about. And you take
Speaker 1: it in yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's why and that's why many people
Speaker 2: they get different kind of cancers. So somebody because the
Speaker 2: lung con alpha.
Speaker 1: Radiation gave them these cancers in the in the blood
Speaker 1: and the lungs and then and all that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so and believe it or not, I'm one of the
Speaker 1: people who was sending gloves and those paper maks. They
Speaker 1: told us to send those paper masks that people use,
Speaker 1: like say if they're painting, so they don't breathe in paint,
Speaker 1: you know. They told us to send the paper masks
Speaker 1: and gloves so they could cover their hands. And we
Speaker 1: were also I personally sent in probably one hundred or
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty cases of water myself to get
Speaker 1: water to these guys so they had something to drink
Speaker 1: while they were there. This is stuff we were sending
Speaker 1: in because they kept saying they didn't even have supplies
Speaker 1: enough for everybody that was trying to do this in
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, you know, directly. So, so
Speaker 1: I sent some of those paper masks you see on TV.
Speaker 1: I sent some of the gloves, the work gloves and things,
Speaker 1: because their work gloves were melting, ruined and they needed
Speaker 1: new ones. And you know, try not to cut their hands. Well,
Speaker 1: they literally dug through some of the piles with their hands, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just thinking, I'm trying to help,
Speaker 1: you know, because.
Speaker 2: How grave is the violation if some were if some
Speaker 2: people work in the place of a recent nuclear explosion. Uh,
Speaker 2: let's a hidden radiation control that is concerned with the
Speaker 2: only gum radiation is not enough. The people must be
Speaker 2: aware of what they are doing. So they must be
Speaker 2: aware of the danger. So they must wear the whole
Speaker 2: body protective like has much suit. The real guests must.
Speaker 2: And after they finished the work at the dangerous area,
Speaker 2: they have to take a shower. I mean, they must
Speaker 2: really clean their body. I mean they have to take
Speaker 2: shower before remove removing the has much suit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there has to be. They do like a chemical
Speaker 1: shower on them. This is like when you come out
Speaker 1: of a lab, so that you don't spread an see.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is. At the time, even a
Speaker 1: lot of us got angry in that area because not
Speaker 1: because we knew anything about radiation, but because in our opinion,
Speaker 1: they were letting these guys in there and it wasn't
Speaker 1: safe just because of the bad air quality, you know,
Speaker 1: because there was just so much of this crap in
Speaker 1: the air that you could see it, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're telling you, no, it's safe, you know, And I
Speaker 1: say that, you know, anybody who even you want to
Speaker 1: believe the official story, fine, whatever, but you got to
Speaker 1: admit that at the very least, our government was lying
Speaker 1: to us about this is safe, because we had government
Speaker 1: agencies and even the former governor of New Jersey working
Speaker 1: for the EPA at the time, was making public announcements
Speaker 1: that it is safe to be there, that it's safe
Speaker 1: to work in that area. And I said, at the time,
Speaker 1: nobody's sick at you know, Dmitri, nobody's even sick yet.
Speaker 1: But I said in and the other said at the time,
Speaker 1: this is a lie. They're lying to us. And what
Speaker 1: do we do. I mean, we can't not try to
Speaker 1: save people or you know, leave people behind, and this
Speaker 1: has to be dealt with. But this is not safe.
Speaker 1: There must be a safe way to deal and we
Speaker 1: were just dealing with the air quality, you understand. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, that's proof positive, no matter what
Speaker 1: story you believe, that we were lied to by our government. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that is a guarant You cannot dispute me that we
Speaker 1: were lied to regarding this. Now when it comes to
Speaker 1: nuclear you know, I'm not sure what to think of
Speaker 1: all of what you've said, you know, And I take
Speaker 1: the idea that we have the testimony from two people
Speaker 1: in a unique position to inform us about this. That's true.
Speaker 1: But again I say, there must be some independent way
Speaker 1: that somebody could just prove. Look, the only way that
Speaker 1: this or this happens too would be because of a
Speaker 1: nuclear device. And outside of these cab right, is there
Speaker 1: some other way, something else that's publicly observable that people
Speaker 1: could look at and say, you know what, that is
Speaker 1: proved positive? Right there? Of course, the only way that
Speaker 1: that happens is and I've already talked to you for
Speaker 1: quite a while tonight, so I don't want to keep
Speaker 1: you well all morning for you because it's morning time.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get this question because otherwise I
Speaker 2: might forget it to the next part. Please, I will
Speaker 2: tell you why. I will tell you what I remember
Speaker 2: and which is important, and the rest we can continue
Speaker 2: next time if you want.
Speaker 1: You got it?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you know that underground nuclear explosion of one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty kiloton, which is a huge actually it
Speaker 2: will create a kind of earthquake shaking off the ground. Okay,
Speaker 2: So before the demolition of the each of the three
Speaker 2: towers and the Building seven, that was earth shaking which
Speaker 2: correspond I mean by magnitude, that corresponded to the particularly
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty kilo on nuclear explorer.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that if we look back,
Speaker 1: we could find seismic activity in that area.
Speaker 2: No, you can find the seismic activity only by if
Speaker 2: you find a life witness who remembered that, and there
Speaker 2: are few who remember that. But if you are looking
Speaker 2: for the official seismograms, you will not find them because
Speaker 2: they are classified because the American government want to hide
Speaker 2: the truth about the nuclear demolition, so they classified all
Speaker 2: the dangerous evidence.
Speaker 1: I see, So you would need an independent source if
Speaker 1: somebody was independently recording these or a foreign government, another
Speaker 1: government might have a recording of this, shouldn't somebody else? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about that?
Speaker 2: Yes, but again again, because the American governments, using the
Speaker 2: United Nations organizations, made the like they have like a
Speaker 2: deal with the rest of the world government that no
Speaker 2: one will, no member of the United Nations will ever
Speaker 2: criticize the proceeds of the nine to eleven project, let's
Speaker 2: say crime. So you see that even the countries that
Speaker 2: are posing themselves as extremely anti American, like a Cuba
Speaker 2: or North Korea or Iran, or Russia or Brazil, will
Speaker 2: not talk about it because that was the deal with
Speaker 2: the United Nations. So that, for example, if the Russian
Speaker 2: seismograms of the Chinese saysmograms of Brazilian saysmograms showing the
Speaker 2: nuclear explosions in Manhattan available, of course they are available,
Speaker 2: but they are classified and they kept secret, so it
Speaker 2: means you can't get them. But what you can get,
Speaker 2: you can get the testimonial of life witnesses who remember
Speaker 2: the earthquake I mean of the earth wey will and
Speaker 2: in fact, they would record it, and they will officially recorded,
Speaker 2: and they have a few testimonials of the witness who
Speaker 2: remember the shaking of the ground before the collapse of
Speaker 2: the ischue of the towers, and they are officially recorded
Speaker 2: and they are published and if you want, they consent
Speaker 2: them to you.
Speaker 1: No, I'd love to see that as a look all
Speaker 1: this stuff that you said you could show me, I'd
Speaker 1: love to see it, for sure, because it's great to have,
Speaker 1: you know, more evidence to work with to evaluate this, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And the thing is, it's just amazing to
Speaker 1: me because all of these different countries that could have
Speaker 1: there are many independent scientists that could have recorded this
Speaker 1: and could come forward and say this, and yet we
Speaker 1: don't hear you know, I've heard this talked about before.
Speaker 1: But I would like to see some way somebody must
Speaker 1: have it, some way that they could present this somehow,
Speaker 1: you know, because like I said, other people keep track
Speaker 1: of earthquakes that are not I mean, most of them
Speaker 1: are government funded, but there's got to be some independent
Speaker 1: university somewhere in the world that has to have been
Speaker 1: keeping track of seismic activity. Back then that would have
Speaker 1: this somehow possibly. So I'm wondering, you know, is there
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea about how we can discover
Speaker 1: that you think? I mean, I want to.
Speaker 2: Say, I remember that soon after nine to eleven there
Speaker 2: were two published two seismogram supposedly by some university seismic
Speaker 2: station I forgot the name, but not far from New York.
Speaker 2: The problem is that they were free because instead of
Speaker 2: publishing the seismogram that shows a nuclear explosion of one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty kilot on under the three buildings Building one, two,
Speaker 2: and seven, they published two saysmograms that were showing supposedly
Speaker 2: two explosions of the mini nukes I mean, like portable
Speaker 2: nuclear devices, probably one kilot on each under the tinta,
Speaker 2: but not under the building seven. That means it's a
Speaker 2: fake at it so means you cannot trust these kind
Speaker 2: of things, because they can publish figs on the order
Speaker 2: of them of the US government, or they might publish
Speaker 2: I mean, they might hide the original one again on
Speaker 2: the orders of the US government. You just cannot believe them.
Speaker 1: Well, and let me ask you one last question and
Speaker 1: then we'll stop for tonight, because I mean this is
Speaker 1: a lot, and we could keep asking questions and going
Speaker 1: through things. I mean, there's many different ways to go here.
Speaker 1: And I hope you, uh, you know you don't find
Speaker 1: this aggravating to go through these questions with me because
Speaker 1: I'm asking.
Speaker 2: I will be very happy to answer questions. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you, if your listeners have any questions, I will
Speaker 2: answer them, no problem.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no. Look, anybody wants to write to me
Speaker 1: and give me some questions for Dmitri, I can probably
Speaker 1: invite him back and I will be more than happy
Speaker 1: to give him every question you asked. It's reasonable, guys, okay, so.
Speaker 2: Ill that I can answer questions not only about the
Speaker 2: nuclear demolition of the Twin Towers Building seven. I can
Speaker 2: explain to you, firstly the mechanics how to use the
Speaker 2: underground nuclear explosion to transform still into the still dust.
Speaker 2: I can explain that.
Speaker 1: Well, see I want to hear, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: hear about that.
Speaker 2: I can explain also why they demolished the twin towers,
Speaker 2: because to demolish them with one thing, but to explain
Speaker 2: why they demoorishes is another thing. This I also going
Speaker 2: to explain. And I can explain what happened with the
Speaker 2: Pentagon and with the planes that were shot down during
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, what happened with the flight seventy seven,
Speaker 2: for example, right, I mean, we I get I can
Speaker 2: answer many questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always felt as though the plane in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: what was left planted and you know, crashed in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I've always felt that that was shot down the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about and that's a
Speaker 1: separate issue from this thing. But the last question I
Speaker 1: want to ask you tonight, and this is it right,
Speaker 1: is Look, we knew that, Okay, you knew that there
Speaker 1: were these three devices here. Obviously, three buildings were wired
Speaker 1: to go this way? Is there any more of these
Speaker 1: in New York that you know of? I mean, is
Speaker 1: it possible?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure that after nine to eleven this
Speaker 2: kind of demolition idea was considered as a complete disaster.
Speaker 2: They just removed this every way, including Malaysia, Japan, Korea,
Speaker 2: and the United Arab Emirates, and of course in America everywhere.
Speaker 2: They removed it from the United Nations Building, they removed
Speaker 2: it from the Ciscar Tower in Chicago, and from the
Speaker 2: rest of the building's where it wasn't They just forgot
Speaker 2: it like like a nightmare. Okay, and they classified all
Speaker 2: the things that were officially available, and so you can
Speaker 2: I mean they removed everything. Now it's normal.
Speaker 1: So that means that basically what you're telling me is
Speaker 1: that they figure it failed. They removed everything. That's the
Speaker 1: end of that. But that's pretty wild because in order
Speaker 1: to do that, I mean, that had to be a
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do quietly. Number one, but number two.
Speaker 1: Remove that now it almost makes me a little bit
Speaker 1: nervous about what did they put in its place? You know,
Speaker 1: when you have one bad This is one thing I've
Speaker 1: learned about studying the American government when they do stuff
Speaker 1: like this, is that they come up with a bad idea,
Speaker 1: they try it, they find out it's a bad idea.
Speaker 1: You know what they usually do. Dimitri has come up
Speaker 1: with a worse idea and it gets worse somehow. You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: well let's try and you know, kill all of the
Speaker 1: vegetation in Vietnam. Also, we'll do this thing Silver Popeye
Speaker 1: will try to control the weather. And then it got worse.
Speaker 1: You know, well that didn't work out so well? How
Speaker 1: about Agent Orange Vietnam? I'm just talking about. So that's
Speaker 1: something you know, fifty years ago already. But still it
Speaker 1: just seems to me like one bad idea quite often
Speaker 1: leads to an even worse idea when it comes to
Speaker 1: secret projects. And obviously this would be something that had
Speaker 1: been secret because most people have never heard of this
Speaker 1: at all, and you know, and I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: what to think of it because it sounds just far out,
Speaker 1: and it's hard for me to swallow this, you know,
Speaker 1: this idea. Uh, and the micro nukes, I never believed.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just stupid. You know, that made
Speaker 1: no sense to me. This, you know, these little, these
Speaker 1: miniature thing. I'm like, come on, you're going to go
Speaker 1: through all that trouble. Why not, you know, just do
Speaker 1: what you say they did, which makes more sense. One
Speaker 1: singular device that you know is going to get the
Speaker 1: job done, as opposed to all these I mean, it
Speaker 1: just made no sense to me. But anyway, a lot
Speaker 1: of things don't make sense to me. And sometimes they
Speaker 1: are they turn out to be the real thing, and
Speaker 1: you know, other times they're somebody's crazy theory and they're
Speaker 1: not real. But even the real things end up sounding
Speaker 1: crazy to me. And that's just me, so again I
Speaker 1: want to point out guys that you can go and
Speaker 1: take a look at Dmitri's work. All the links will
Speaker 1: be with the show notes and I'm gonna drop them
Speaker 1: in the live chat room at O'Kelley dot matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it right now. But before I do,
Speaker 1: I want to remind you again in audio form that if
Speaker 1: you go to a nine one onethology, which is nine
Speaker 1: one one t H O L O g y dot com. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one website you can go to to take a
Speaker 1: look at Dmitri's work. You can also go to YouTube
Speaker 1: and at Dmitri d I M I t r I
Speaker 1: Kalizov k h A L E z O v okay
Speaker 1: at Dmitri Kalizov on YouTube. And I also have another
Speaker 1: link here which I have a short link for it,
Speaker 1: but you go to his telegram and if you're signed
Speaker 1: into telegram, uh because I just went there and tried
Speaker 1: to quick access it. But if you're signed into telegram,
Speaker 1: the short link will take you right there and you
Speaker 1: can examine dmitri stuff on telegram. And that's for These
Speaker 1: are all the English speaking channels right basically, or do
Speaker 1: they have both Russian ending.
Speaker 2: I have the ACE also, but the I said that's one.
Speaker 2: Will you have some about this in them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are all the English channels for Dmitri, so
Speaker 1: he also has channels in Russian, and UH be more
Speaker 1: than happy for him to use tonight's discussion which we
Speaker 1: have recorded on video, and you guys are getting the
Speaker 1: audio podcast the Ocell Effect audience, you're getting the audio podcast.
Speaker 1: But I've given the video to Dmitri and he can
Speaker 1: place it up on his channels and do whatever he
Speaker 1: wants with it, and hopefully he will and you guys
Speaker 1: will go there and see me on his channel soon.
Speaker 1: So again, Dmitri, I want to thank you for