Speaker 1: It was in August two thousand and eight that one
Speaker 1: of the greatest mysteries on disappearing people happened in this
Speaker 1: very spot.
Speaker 2: I picked up on a person because I was getting
Speaker 2: the missing person data and I a missing person. So
Speaker 2: I do what we do in remote remote viewing is
Speaker 2: called deep micro.
Speaker 3: And kill these things.
Speaker 2: What things?
Speaker 4: Do you think his body is still in that area?
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to need to get a team together.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 6: This episode, I got a very exciting returning guest, somebody
Speaker 6: I was actually lucky enough to meet in person and
Speaker 6: is totally animated and just as crazy and as right
Speaker 6: in person as they are on the podcast. But before
Speaker 6: we get to Natalie, let me introduce the other people
Speaker 6: I got joining us today.
Speaker 5: Have we got my man the Headless Giant? What is
Speaker 5: going on?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 5: How are you are you doing?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Alchemy mondays today. They're still not giving me the half
Speaker 4: inch tubing that I ordered three weeks ago, but we'll
Speaker 4: have it next week. So Alchemy Monday's coming back next
Speaker 4: week tomorrow. I've got seven seven seven, and we've got
Speaker 4: a special guest coming back. I forget his name, Libor
Speaker 4: told Joy p Y we are talking DMT and on
Speaker 4: Thursdays we've got the mail bag, So get your occult, paranormal,
Speaker 4: cryptid experiences and send them to Headless Giant Podcast at
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Speaker 4: also on Sunday we have the Trialogus with Ethan Indigo
Speaker 4: and Ricardo. Last week's trialog was amazing, guys, go check
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Speaker 5: Thank you, awesome, Thank you very much. And Bennett sir,
Speaker 5: please people, we don't know what you want. Yes, of course.
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Speaker 5: Very nice, easy enough, awesome.
Speaker 6: And finally to the guest Natalie, thank you very much
Speaker 6: for coming on. Like I said, I got to meet
Speaker 6: her at Charlie's Beyond Belief. She's an awesome woman, funny
Speaker 6: as hell. Kem three very entertained.
Speaker 5: Why I was there, just a great person to be around.
Speaker 6: You know, it was very fun and it was great
Speaker 6: to have you come back on again, and because I
Speaker 6: know you were toling us about it while we were
Speaker 6: there about this you know, investigation you were going on,
Speaker 6: so we get to.
Speaker 5: Hear a little bit about it. Now I understand.
Speaker 6: It's also coming out like it's a this is a
Speaker 6: film thing, like you have a teaser and everything for work.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's it's a film. And for
Speaker 3: anybody that doesn't know, I'm Natalie Smearman. I am with
Speaker 3: Relic Films and we do documentaries about all different kinds
Speaker 3: of things from high strangeness to missing person to cryptids
Speaker 3: and paranormals. So we were talking Nick and I were
Speaker 3: talking about this great investigation that we're going to do
Speaker 3: and that we're filming in Land between the Lakes and Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And this area is one hundred and seventy thousand acres
Speaker 3: of land, massive, massive area of land, and originally it
Speaker 3: was rivers. They dammed up the rivers and flooded areas
Speaker 3: of where people had lived and there are graveyards under
Speaker 3: the water, which there are really not a lot of
Speaker 3: people that even live around there, just on the outskirts
Speaker 3: and all of that area you could go in and investigate,
Speaker 3: and especially at night, it gets crazy, absolutely insane. And
Speaker 3: I was so happy because Greg Ogeles, who's the producer
Speaker 3: and director of Relic Films, I had come to him
Speaker 3: with a ton of ideas like hey, let's do this experiment,
Speaker 3: do this, let's do this, and he's like, yeah, let's
Speaker 3: do it, let's do it. And there was one I'm going,
Speaker 3: are you sure you want me to do this because
Speaker 3: this could be pretty dangerous. He's like do it, do it.
Speaker 3: He's like, let's do it, and I'm like boo yah.
Speaker 3: I was so excited because, you know, working with him
Speaker 3: and the Relic team, there's no boundaries.
Speaker 2: You could just just.
Speaker 3: Go for it and we'll find out what happens. Either
Speaker 3: it works or it doesn't work. If it doesn't work,
Speaker 3: we mark that off and we move on to the
Speaker 3: next one. And I have to say, every one of
Speaker 3: my experiments worked.
Speaker 2: It was crazy crazy.
Speaker 3: So we we rusted camped in the Colson family area.
Speaker 2: It was a it was a campground and so there.
Speaker 3: Were no no showers to be found anywhere. There was
Speaker 3: a hole in a in with a little oile at seat,
Speaker 3: and that was pretty much it in a building and
Speaker 3: that was it.
Speaker 2: That's all we had.
Speaker 3: And so when I say rustic, it was just a
Speaker 3: tent for a week.
Speaker 2: And who we were.
Speaker 3: Right after the seven days because you were out investigating.
Speaker 2: We're in the woods, you.
Speaker 3: Know, for baby wipes, right, Yeah, so we all got
Speaker 3: to know each other pretty well.
Speaker 2: And thank god it was cold, because.
Speaker 5: Horrible.
Speaker 3: Oh, we would have been just marinating in our own goo.
Speaker 3: So it was like, oh, thank god, you know, I have.
Speaker 5: To tell you something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember what happened during our interview.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was crazy.
Speaker 5: The door just popped open again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it hasn't happened since there hasn't happened since they
Speaker 7: talked to you.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying for sure, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 7: door and I fixed it too, that's the thing. And
Speaker 7: it just clicked and popped open.
Speaker 5: Wow, hell us, you're you're on mute, dude, Sorry about that.
Speaker 4: Bet you've got a ghost that is a stalking Natalie's.
Speaker 7: Thanks for doing absolutely Wild.
Speaker 4: Is known for the dog man? So is that is that?
Speaker 4: What's going on? Here? Are we seeing dog mans these
Speaker 4: around these lakes?
Speaker 2: And uh so there's dog Man, Bigfoot. We had a
Speaker 2: portal open up, we had.
Speaker 3: Orbs, fairy lights, and we had crawlers.
Speaker 2: What we realized later.
Speaker 3: After doing some investigating, after we saw these crawlers, we
Speaker 3: just after looking at everything, We're like, these have to
Speaker 3: be rakes.
Speaker 2: They have to be ranks. That's the only thing that
Speaker 2: they can be.
Speaker 4: Like the Anaheim calers. Just the two legs.
Speaker 3: No, not the two legs, not the Anaheim was. These
Speaker 3: are all four legs and they're just it was crazy. Now,
Speaker 3: we did a series of experiments in this area, and
Speaker 3: we tried to stay in one area so we could
Speaker 3: concentrate on these experiments of how to go in, set
Speaker 3: a baseline, what worked, what didn't work, and then so
Speaker 3: we're not like traveling all over. We wanted just a
Speaker 3: concentrated area and we did it within our campground because
Speaker 3: Greg was like, I want Bigfoot to come in here,
Speaker 3: I want Kryptis to come in here.
Speaker 2: And I said, all right, I.
Speaker 4: Got an idea.
Speaker 3: You know, you hear about these male and female pheromones,
Speaker 3: still get some. I went to the mall got Obsession
Speaker 3: for men, and went to Victoria's Secret and got the
Speaker 3: tea spray that has pheromones in it, and I went
Speaker 3: and got some cheap that musk that jo Van musky.
Speaker 3: So I went around to a few areas up around
Speaker 3: because there were some hills, and we started spraying some
Speaker 3: brightly colored dog toys that we hung on trees, so
Speaker 3: made them really bright. They could smell it, they could
Speaker 3: see it. There were some cool textures to it, and
Speaker 3: we saturated them in all three colognes. So now it's
Speaker 3: just permeating the area. And within twenty four hours we
Speaker 3: had massive footsteps walking right past my tent. We had
Speaker 3: a big bin of water that we tried to use
Speaker 3: for bathing, and in the middle of the night, one
Speaker 3: of them decided to play in the water. Splash, splash, splash,
Speaker 3: I mean, just going to town having the best time.
Speaker 3: We heard whoops, whistles, knocks, rocks being thrown in the water,
Speaker 3: rocks clanking together, walking through the brush. And then which
Speaker 3: this is another really cool thing that we documented, is
Speaker 3: that all of the tents that were there, none of
Speaker 3: the tents got messed with, none of us got messed with.
Speaker 3: Anybody in a camper they got messed with, really, so
Speaker 3: they would walk past these campers, the campers and go
Speaker 3: and push them like do a check, and all of
Speaker 3: them got it, not one, all of them. And it
Speaker 3: was so cool because I'm like, they're not messing with
Speaker 3: me in a little tent, They're messing with you. And
Speaker 3: then one night they thought that there was a plastic
Speaker 3: or like a big cooler and it had some textures
Speaker 3: to it, and one of them starts scratching, like feeling
Speaker 3: the texture of the cooler. And I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 3: you know, just for a split second, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: kids do that.
Speaker 2: It's splashing water.
Speaker 3: Kids, you know, play with textures and do things and
Speaker 3: throw rocks and whatever. And our last night there we
Speaker 3: were investigating and I walked over to the waterline and
Speaker 3: there were footprints in the sand dirt area that were
Speaker 3: a little bit bigger than my foot. Now I'm size six,
Speaker 3: so I have a very small foot. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: it is thirty some degrees.
Speaker 2: There is no.
Speaker 3: Hippie child out here or hippie petite woman out here that.
Speaker 2: Roaming alone. There's not walking barefoot.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, there was a juvenile having a
Speaker 3: good time, just playing, just being what a kid does
Speaker 3: is play and investigate. We did have a couple of
Speaker 3: nights where when we were out investigating, somebody stayed behind
Speaker 3: to run security on our campsite, and every time the
Speaker 3: adults came in, these squatches came in very aggressively, and
Speaker 3: Martin Groves was on was working security one night and
Speaker 3: he had to pull his gun and was yelling and
Speaker 3: screaming to get them out of the camp because they
Speaker 3: were like, you know, growling and snarling and then trying
Speaker 3: to get our food, and Martin chased them off. The
Speaker 3: next night, Jim Powell was working security and the same
Speaker 3: thing happened. He had to growl and chase them off
Speaker 3: and get really aggressive. This time they weren't backing down.
Speaker 4: Natalie, I got to put something out real quick. We've
Speaker 4: been talking about how these sort of DMT type creatures
Speaker 4: will match the energy of the person going into the experience.
Speaker 4: When you guys are there and you're investigating, you've got
Speaker 4: this childlike curiosity. They're coming in and acting like children
Speaker 4: with the securities they're protecting the place. They're matching that energy.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy you pointed that out because we did
Speaker 3: an experiment on the first night where we had we
Speaker 3: had us as relic, we had seekers the Seekers group
Speaker 3: ASOG and big men, big men with guns and military
Speaker 3: as everything. We had the NCI team there too, and
Speaker 3: they all had weapons. We decided to go into this
Speaker 3: one hot spot area. There was myself, Martin Groves, Adam Davis,
Speaker 3: Greg Ogles, and Melissa Adair. We went in first in
Speaker 3: one vehicle. The second vehicle was security. They were coming
Speaker 3: in ten minutes behind us. They were going to come
Speaker 3: in with long guns, military outfits because where we were
Speaker 3: going was a hot spot where there were aggressive attacks
Speaker 3: on other people. And we're like, okay, here we are
Speaker 3: sitting ducks, what's going to happen? So we had them
Speaker 3: stay behind. We pulled around to the one road in.
Speaker 3: We sat there for a few minutes, just kind of
Speaker 3: like taking in the energy, and there was a lot
Speaker 3: of energy. And I rolled down the window and I
Speaker 3: looked at Martin. I'm like, are you getting are you
Speaker 3: feeling that? I'm like, I'm feeling energy, like right here,
Speaker 3: he goes, They're right there, he goes, I can feel
Speaker 3: a dog man and a squatch right over in this area.
Speaker 3: And we're kind of just sitting there, just being as
Speaker 3: still and quiet in the vehicle, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I see a massive bipedal creature stand up
Speaker 3: with ears on top of its head walk into the forest.
Speaker 5: And I'm going.
Speaker 2: I looked at Martin. I said, did did you just
Speaker 2: see that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm thinking in myself, I'm seeing things.
Speaker 2: There's no way that could have happened.
Speaker 3: And i was really beside myself and I'm like, did
Speaker 3: you see He's like, yeah, I just saw that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, let's go in. We're ready. They know
Speaker 2: we're here.
Speaker 3: So we drive down this tiny little dirt road, like
Speaker 3: a dirt road where nightmares and horror films are made, okay, and.
Speaker 2: We crossed this bridge, this tiny little bridge.
Speaker 3: Now I have a Santa Cruz, a Hondai Santa Cruz truck,
Speaker 3: little tiny thing. We go across this bridge. Both all
Speaker 3: this foliage has grown way over. It's touching the side
Speaker 3: of my vehicle. But before we hit the bridge, my
Speaker 3: lights caught a face on the side of the bridge
Speaker 3: in the foliage and it ducked down, and I'm going.
Speaker 3: I looked at him. I said, did you see that?
Speaker 3: He goes, Yep, he goes, that's a century. That's a century.
Speaker 3: They know we're here.
Speaker 2: They're running back. They're telling the others we're here. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So we get to the graveyard and we turn around,
Speaker 3: and what we did was made sure that if anything
Speaker 3: went down and went bad, our windows were down.
Speaker 2: These were in the vehicle. Get just jump in and go.
Speaker 3: So we get to the area, we start making our
Speaker 3: way up the hill and we're getting movement around us
Speaker 3: and this energy of anxiety and stress and we're like,
Speaker 3: what is happening? And Martin goes up a little bit
Speaker 3: further to this one little area of when and.
Speaker 2: Where he can see down the hill.
Speaker 3: He goes, we have a crawler. We have a crawler
Speaker 3: moving through the field. We have a crawler. And we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, we're good. Let's just stick together because I mean,
Speaker 3: you can just feel the stress and anxiety coming from
Speaker 3: the forest like coming in and you can hear movement,
Speaker 3: but you can't see anything on the firm So we're
Speaker 3: inching our way up. We're making some house, making some calls.
Speaker 3: They're you know, they're kind of leery, look you know,
Speaker 3: you know that they're there. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: our security team comes in. Adam goes, get up here.
Speaker 2: Move up, Move up.
Speaker 3: They come running in with long guns and military outfits
Speaker 3: and every.
Speaker 2: Thing stops the movement. Nothing is happening. Now, we still
Speaker 2: feel the energy.
Speaker 3: So Martin tells us something crazy because just myself and
Speaker 3: Melissa are the only two females in the group at
Speaker 3: this time. He goes, walk up the hill in a
Speaker 3: graveyard in the dark with no flashlights, and we've got
Speaker 3: nearly a full moon, walk up the hill and start
Speaker 3: humming or singing. We're looking at him like you want
Speaker 3: me and her to walk up the hill alone, and okay,
Speaker 3: so we do. We walk up the hill and you
Speaker 3: could just feel like the anxiety and like, what is this?
Speaker 3: What is this.
Speaker 2: Coming at us? Well? Me being me?
Speaker 3: The only nice pretty song that I know is you
Speaker 3: are My Sunshine. I start singing you are My Sunshine,
Speaker 3: and the anxiety, stress, and the energy of the forest
Speaker 3: just went. And I'm going, what just happened? Like there's
Speaker 3: nothing coming from the forest. It's so calm, it's so
Speaker 3: just peaceful, and we just kept going and not like nothing.
Speaker 3: It was just like, oh, okay, they're okay, they're okay.
Speaker 3: Martin goes, they've never seen a female out here, and
Speaker 3: you're the first female investigators we have brought here. They
Speaker 3: have never seen anything, and you're coming up and singing.
Speaker 3: It's like a maternal kind of energy and calm them
Speaker 3: right down. So we turn around and Craig is sitting
Speaker 3: down on a tree stop and I'm like, Greg, are
Speaker 3: you okay? He's like mm hmmm yeah, Like so nothing
Speaker 3: else is happening. Greg's sitting there very quiet. We get
Speaker 3: I mean literally, nothing is going on. Nothing else, darm nothing.
Speaker 3: We started singing and went dead. So we decided let's
Speaker 3: get back in the truck.
Speaker 2: We'll go back to.
Speaker 3: Base camp regroup. Turns out Greg got sick. Whatever that
Speaker 3: was their targeted Greg. He got dizzy, lightheaded, migrain nausea, and.
Speaker 2: He didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 3: We get back to base camp, he has to lie
Speaker 3: down and just like for an hour and a half
Speaker 3: he is decompressing and finally emerges and going okay, I
Speaker 3: feel better. I'm like, I said, okay, Greg, I said,
Speaker 3: here's my theory on this. We're not going to get
Speaker 3: any activity with a bunch of big men with giant
Speaker 3: guns running into the forest. I'm like, I know that,
Speaker 3: you know, I get the fact that they want to
Speaker 3: be you know, protect us, but it's really not.
Speaker 2: It's not working.
Speaker 3: We want to make contact, that's why we're here. So
Speaker 3: we go to a different graveyard, different site. We're kind
Speaker 3: of scoping everything out the next day and this is
Speaker 3: when the NCI guys came and Tim Dills was standing
Speaker 3: there and he was investigating because he's not a paranormal
Speaker 3: investigator at all, he's a cryptid investigator. And we're all
Speaker 3: kind of standing there and not a whole lot's happening,
Speaker 3: but we do see a black blob move through the
Speaker 3: forest and we're trying to talk to it. We're trying
Speaker 3: to see it's firm, anything, nothing, And so we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go down here. And we're kind of spread
Speaker 3: out just a little bit on this road and Tim goes,
Speaker 3: what in the heck? And we're like, what's going on now?
Speaker 3: Tim is like six two sixty three, he's a big guy.
Speaker 3: He goes, somebody just yanked on the back of my
Speaker 3: shirt my hoodie twice, like grabbed his hood and yank twice.
Speaker 3: And we're like, well, we're in a graveyard, you know
Speaker 3: there're gonna be paranormal activity. We just saw a black
Speaker 3: blob move through. So okay, but we're still in an
Speaker 3: area with big guys in there. We're a very large
Speaker 3: group of people, so again we regroup. That didn't work,
Speaker 3: so I said, we had a few more ladies arrive.
Speaker 2: I said, here's our chance.
Speaker 3: We go in there to our original place where we
Speaker 3: saw that figure and that face on the bridge.
Speaker 2: We go in there.
Speaker 3: We go in vulnerable, have a female team investigating, two
Speaker 3: cameraman cameraman. Nobody is armed except for Greg and Jim
Speaker 3: with little pistols tucked away, and I have bear spray.
Speaker 3: And I said, no security, no not that. Greg's like
Speaker 3: absolutely not, no security, no nothing. We're going in vulnerable.
Speaker 2: So we regroup right before we go.
Speaker 3: In, and he goes, we need to go in and
Speaker 3: we need to get them to come out, and the
Speaker 3: only way.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it is pick a fight. Let's go
Speaker 2: in and pick a fight with them. Now, earlier that week, I.
Speaker 3: Had to I walked to the to the little toilet thing,
Speaker 3: which was a ways away, and it was at night,
Speaker 3: and I got growled at from the forest, and at
Speaker 3: that point in.
Speaker 2: Time, I'm like, all right, okay.
Speaker 3: I've got to go to the bathroom. We already know
Speaker 3: you're here, you've been here. But it was a growl,
Speaker 3: like not aggressive, but it was like we're here, and
Speaker 3: you stay there.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I've got to grab my tortoise. My tortoise
Speaker 2: is making all kinds of u uh.
Speaker 5: Is that what that noise was walking off the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in his terrarium. He wanted out, so.
Speaker 3: He So We're like, okay, we're gonna go in and
Speaker 3: pick a fight. I heard this growl, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mimic that growl.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: It three times, and let's just see what happens, and
Speaker 3: then we'll do somehows and we'll do this, and we'll
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: We have two women with therms.
Speaker 3: The rest of us are just using our eyesight and
Speaker 3: our own feelings, and we're like, let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: So then we go in. We start moving up the hill.
Speaker 3: We get halfway up the hill and I looked at Greg.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, let's let let's let's go. Let's we're ready.
Speaker 3: I let out three of those growls, and out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: all hell broke broke loose from the top of the ridge.
Speaker 3: You hear, oh, boom, and now the ground is shaking like.
Speaker 2: An earthquake under us. I'm like, my got it. They're here,
Speaker 2: they're angry. I'm gonna do it again. I do it again.
Speaker 3: Now we got a movement from all sides coming in
Speaker 3: where you hear boom, boom, and the ground is shaking,
Speaker 3: and I'm going, Okay, now we're getting it. We're getting it.
Speaker 3: So we're looking around with therms, we're hearing movement. You're
Speaker 3: getting this energy coming in. And I look at the
Speaker 3: top of the hill and I'm going to the I
Speaker 3: went to Amy. Amy's sitting beside me or standing beside me,
Speaker 3: and I said, do you see that light at the
Speaker 3: top of the hill behind that tree. I said, it's
Speaker 3: a bluish white light behind that tree, illuminating outwards. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, she goes, yeah, I see that. I'm like,
Speaker 3: we need to keep an eye on that. Like I
Speaker 3: don't know what that is yet, but we need to
Speaker 3: keep an eye on that. So Melissa makes a howl
Speaker 3: sound and we're getting more movement, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: she goes, I don't feel good. I'm nauseous and I'm lightheaded.
Speaker 3: I said, get behind me, because for whatever reason, it
Speaker 3: doesn't bother me. So she gets behind me.
Speaker 2: I block her.
Speaker 3: So we're making all kinds of noise. We're still getting
Speaker 3: more and more movement. Now we're getting a weird dog
Speaker 3: in the field behind us barking. We're getting more of
Speaker 3: these pounds and booms, and it's more rhythmic at this point,
Speaker 3: very bizarre. And now this light at the top of
Speaker 3: the hill looks like an oval, and I'm going, okay.
Speaker 3: I looked at Amy, I said, do you see that.
Speaker 3: That's more prominent, it's like an oval. Now she goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I see it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Then Melissa goes, I'm feeling better, and then Jamie goes,
Speaker 3: I'm really sick. I don't feel good, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: get behind me. So they're targeting whoever that they can target.
Speaker 3: So Jim and Greg are filming. We have therms all
Speaker 3: around us. We start to move up a little bit
Speaker 3: more and so Greg does this growl, this long growl.
Speaker 3: I look up at the top of the hill and
Speaker 3: out of this oval with the light comes a crawler
Speaker 3: out of it. And I said, I have a crawler
Speaker 3: at my twelve o'clock And I'm like, I'm like, y'all
Speaker 3: seeing this, They're like, yeah, what is it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know yet. I'm like, just we have to
Speaker 3: keep an eye on this. And so I said, I
Speaker 3: have two crawlers at my twelve o'clock another one crawled out,
Speaker 3: and then a third one crawled out, and they're on
Speaker 3: all fours moving watching us. I'm like, we have to
Speaker 3: keep an eye on that. We have movement all around,
Speaker 3: we have a weird dog barking.
Speaker 2: In the background. There's booms, the ground shaking.
Speaker 3: It's now rhythmic, and I mean it like everything is
Speaker 3: happening now.
Speaker 2: So we start to just make a little bit more noise.
Speaker 3: We're just observing, and then I hear I look away
Speaker 3: for a split second. Greg goes ah and he takes
Speaker 3: the camera from one hand to the other. I look
Speaker 3: up and one of these crawlers is charging us.
Speaker 2: I mean like a.
Speaker 3: Gallop crawl, gnarly, long lanky arms and fingers and just
Speaker 3: like I mean, coming at us. He went to grab
Speaker 3: for his gun and I'm like, nope, I grab.
Speaker 2: My bear spray.
Speaker 3: I lunged forward, sprayed it and it did stop and
Speaker 3: retreat it And I'm going now, we had to retreat too,
Speaker 3: because I just sprayed bear spray. It's now lingering around,
Speaker 3: so we're now moving back. They moved back, but we
Speaker 3: are still having a ton of activity around us.
Speaker 2: I said, let's move back. Let's keep going back all
Speaker 2: the way down the hill to where.
Speaker 3: The trucks were. And as soon as we get to
Speaker 3: where the trucks were, we hear a woman's scream from
Speaker 3: the field behind us. There's a giant field behind us,
Speaker 3: a just past like a little strip of trees. Kristen
Speaker 3: turns around with her thermal and she goes, I have
Speaker 3: a large bipedal creature standing in the field watching us.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're completely surrounded. I'm like, we have crawlers
Speaker 3: up there, we have movement closing in on us on
Speaker 3: the tree line. Then all of a sudden, our batteries died.
Speaker 2: Our backup batteries.
Speaker 3: Are regular batteries, all dead, all dead. The only thing
Speaker 3: that was working was Christen's therm and somebody's phone.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: I look to the left where my truck is, and
Speaker 3: I see these large red orbs in front of my truck.
Speaker 3: I look to the right and I see large red
Speaker 3: orbs behind the other truck.
Speaker 2: Now in my experience.
Speaker 3: Red orbs are not really good.
Speaker 4: They are if I can pop in here real quick,
Speaker 4: do you see the pattern that's happening over and over again?
Speaker 4: These the people around you get drained, and then more
Speaker 4: manifestations start showing up. Yep, your batteries on all this
Speaker 4: equipment get drained, and then more manifestations show up. Whatever
Speaker 4: it is, I think it could be some kind of
Speaker 4: like bio energetic plasma.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's cranky.
Speaker 4: It's using you guys to manifest itself into read.
Speaker 3: Because they targeted Jamie and they targeted Melissa, they got
Speaker 3: really really sick, really sick.
Speaker 2: Then they start targeting.
Speaker 3: Our batteries and so they're moving in closer and then
Speaker 3: finally we're.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, let's moving close.
Speaker 3: Don't allow anything to just come in and grab or whatever.
Speaker 3: So we stay close. And so Greg goes, listen, we
Speaker 3: came here to film. We did not come here.
Speaker 2: To you know, get hurt or injured or die. He goes,
Speaker 2: I'm going to call it, you know.
Speaker 3: And he goes, I we're going to regroup and then
Speaker 3: we're going to leave.
Speaker 2: As soon as he said that, I look to my
Speaker 2: left and.
Speaker 3: There is a giant bigfoot walking behind my truck and
Speaker 3: disappears into thin air, gone, massive thing. Massive thing had
Speaker 3: to be like nine feet tall, just giant. Just let
Speaker 3: I mean, it was insane how big this thing was.
Speaker 3: And it just disappeared, gone in the thin air. And
Speaker 3: I'm going, like, what is happening right now? Because at first,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: You think to yourself, am I seeing this? Am I
Speaker 2: am I imagining?
Speaker 3: This? Is my eyes playing tricks on me. No, I'm
Speaker 3: like confirming with people, did you see this?
Speaker 2: Did you see this? Did you see this? Are you
Speaker 2: hearing this?
Speaker 3: It was insane and the thing was, we walked in vulnerable.
Speaker 2: We picked a fight. They knew we did not have
Speaker 2: any long guns or security.
Speaker 3: And we're all women except for two. And it was
Speaker 3: just insane. So we got in our vehicles and within
Speaker 3: the time, no sooner do we sit down, all of
Speaker 3: us had something happen in the vehicle. Melissa was sick,
Speaker 3: Jamie was sick. I feel like my throat's closing in
Speaker 3: on me. I'm having pressure in my chest. I'm hardly breathing,
Speaker 3: and I'm going, we got to get out of here.
Speaker 3: They're pushing us out, They're pushing us out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: just go, We're just going to go. I get to
Speaker 3: the top of the hill and make a left onto
Speaker 3: the other dirt road that we've got to get out
Speaker 3: on as soon.
Speaker 2: As I turn on that road.
Speaker 4: But we were all fine.
Speaker 3: So that was intense, intense, and so we came there
Speaker 3: to make contact and we did. Didn't think it was
Speaker 3: going to be to that level. We made contact and
Speaker 3: to have that experience, I mean, you only hear people
Speaker 3: like once in a lifetime experience of one thing or another.
Speaker 2: And we go to LBL and we walk in and
Speaker 2: very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: And pick a fight, which I don't suggest that anybody does,
Speaker 3: because it was a very dangerous, dangerous situation that.
Speaker 4: We put ourselves in. Where's the documentary.
Speaker 3: At It's going to be coming out at the end
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six. It's called Return to Land Between
Speaker 3: the Lakes Making Contact.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The teaser is on Relic Films Media social media page
Speaker 3: on Facebook.
Speaker 4: And it's really cool.
Speaker 2: It's really cool.
Speaker 3: And we had a lot of great people there, very knowledgeable,
Speaker 3: very you know, they have we all have.
Speaker 2: Experience in some way, and it was insane.
Speaker 3: We even and one night I got to do the
Speaker 3: God helmet got oh wanted experience that was and we
Speaker 3: made sure that we I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: do it before we go out and investigate, to open
Speaker 3: myself up to have a better experience, to kind of
Speaker 3: draw them in.
Speaker 2: And it did.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. And if you ever get.
Speaker 3: A chance to do the God's Helmet, I strongly suggest
Speaker 3: you do it.
Speaker 2: Go in with an open mind. I did. I meditated,
Speaker 2: I prayed, and I just it was. You know, it's
Speaker 2: closely monitored.
Speaker 3: Somebody who is knowledgeable in it and really knows what
Speaker 3: they're doing has to monitor you while.
Speaker 2: You're while you're under under and then you just experience
Speaker 2: whatever you experience. That's dose you want to hear about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So you're under for forty minutes and
Speaker 3: I'm like forty minutes, good Lord. And so basically, you
Speaker 3: don't you put on a little helmet with electrodes and
Speaker 3: your eyes are covered, and then you put little ear
Speaker 3: earbots in and you just lay there in a chair
Speaker 3: and you just relax.
Speaker 2: That's all you have to do.
Speaker 3: I prayed and meditated before and just to kind of
Speaker 3: get my mindset.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: They start the session and I see these lights and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I've heard this happening with the God's helmet.
Speaker 2: You see lights.
Speaker 3: Well, within a few minutes, I'm in the future in
Speaker 3: an apartment building and somebody is behind me pushing me
Speaker 3: towards the window. The sky goes from blue to red,
Speaker 3: and then they turn me around.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, I'm in a city with.
Speaker 3: Very strange older architecture, and I'm like, okay, this is crazy,
Speaker 3: and i just keep looking at different shapes and different things.
Speaker 2: And then I'm on a road in.
Speaker 3: A green pasture, and then all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 3: back in the chair where I was in camp, and
Speaker 3: I'm hearing these bigfoot sounds coming off to the right
Speaker 3: of me in the forest. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I'm back on a road somewhere. And then I started
Speaker 3: time hopping. I went back to nineteen twenties and there
Speaker 3: was this couple all dressed up and they're having a
Speaker 3: party and drinking champagne and laughing. Then I'm in the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies and these kids are outside playing in their
Speaker 3: driveway near the big Bonneville car. Then I'm in the
Speaker 3: nineteen forties and someone's house where they're all sitting around
Speaker 3: the big radio listening to the radio station whatever program's
Speaker 3: on there. And then I'm in the eighties and I
Speaker 3: keep popping, just with little glimpses, and then I'm back
Speaker 3: in the chair again and I'm hearing more noises in
Speaker 3: the forest, and then all of a sudden, I'm at
Speaker 3: the water's edge at the campground and I'm standing there
Speaker 3: in the dark, and in front of me. Is this
Speaker 3: the only way I can describe it, is this regal,
Speaker 3: petite moth woman. That's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 3: She is standing there as beautiful as she could be,
Speaker 3: just looking so peaceful and just so just so poised,
Speaker 3: and i can see the design on her wings, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, she.
Speaker 2: Is just so beautiful.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking to myself, my god, she's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: And then all of a.
Speaker 3: Sudden, I'm back on a road, driving, driving around.
Speaker 2: In some just green pasture.
Speaker 3: And then I'm back in my chair again, and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there and I hear somebody walking towards me and
Speaker 3: I can feel their energy and they keep walking closer
Speaker 3: and closer and closer and.
Speaker 2: Bump my chair and I mean it bumped my chair,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, somebody playing around with me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to continue this. I'll talk to
Speaker 3: them later. I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: So then I go back and I'm looking at more architecture,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, I'm in a car
Speaker 3: and falling spa, West Virginia on Route twenty two with
Speaker 3: a woman and she has this beautiful auburn hair. She's
Speaker 3: just so pretty and she looks at me and she
Speaker 3: goes too fast, too fast, too fast. I said, what's
Speaker 3: too fast? She went hmhm, But I said.
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 3: She was, And then all of a sudden, I'm back
Speaker 3: somewhere else and I'm like, how do I get back
Speaker 3: to that woman? I want to know what's too fast?
Speaker 3: What me?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: But she had this message that I mean, that was
Speaker 3: the only thing that happened where someone spoke to me.
Speaker 3: And then I'm back looking at architecture and just just
Speaker 3: it was a beautiful, beautiful, amazing experience. And then I
Speaker 3: get tapped on the shoulder and Trey Hudson is the
Speaker 3: one conducting the observation and the God's helmet, and I said,
Speaker 3: he goes you're done, since it's only been ten minutes.
Speaker 3: And he goes, it's been forty minutes. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I've been here ten minutes. That's legit it I know that.
Speaker 3: And Adam Davis is standing right, he was standing with
Speaker 3: Trey observing me. He was net, it's been forty minutes.
Speaker 3: We timed you, And I'm going, what And so we
Speaker 3: take the gods helmet off. We just I'm like trying
Speaker 3: to like figure out what just happened to me. I'm
Speaker 3: telling people and kind of reiterating, this is what happened.
Speaker 3: This is what happened, which really makes you like more
Speaker 3: open to what's going.
Speaker 2: On around you. And then we go out and.
Speaker 3: Do an investigation and we had another really amazing experience.
Speaker 3: This time we went in to where Tim got his
Speaker 3: his hoodie yank, and we got into two teams and
Speaker 3: each team had six people in it, and we went
Speaker 3: to the graveyard. But you go past the graveyard, there's
Speaker 3: a road that branches off and goes to into a big,
Speaker 3: big circle and there was a killing where two people
Speaker 3: were killed murdered in that area and they were shredded
Speaker 3: and partially consumed. This was many years ago, but we
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that we go and investigate that
Speaker 3: area to see what's there. My crew goes to the right,
Speaker 3: and so there was myself, three other ladies and Sean
Speaker 3: and Mark, and Mark was behind, Sean was leading, and
Speaker 3: so Jamie is very very sensitive when it comes to
Speaker 3: the paranormal and DIDs. She can feel them a mile away.
Speaker 3: She knows they're there. We go walking and we come
Speaker 3: to a power the power lines. She goes, stop, something's here.
Speaker 3: I said, are you getting energy off the power lines?
Speaker 3: Or are you getting energy in the forest? She goes,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Amy was there, her sister, and she
Speaker 3: and I said, you've got the therm.
Speaker 7: Check.
Speaker 2: So she's checking around. She goes, I have a hit
Speaker 2: on the therm.
Speaker 3: I have a bipedal creature standing behind a tree peeking
Speaker 3: out at us. So we're standing there. I catch it
Speaker 3: on thermb as well. I got her thermb. I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's right there. It's watching us, and it's not being aggressive,
Speaker 3: it's just observing. It's just curious. I'm like, okay, we're
Speaker 3: not gonna do anything. Well, Sean goes, let me walk
Speaker 3: up ahead. Everybody will else stay you here. He walks
Speaker 3: up ahead, and this creature starts him, so he walks back,
Speaker 3: and so I said, we're going to move forward, and
Speaker 3: so Sean was like, yeah, let's move forward. So we're
Speaker 3: starting to move forward. This thing starts growling at us
Speaker 3: and then starts to walk away and parallel us as
Speaker 3: we're walking along the road. So we're like, okay, we
Speaker 3: can hear it. It's far enough away that we're okay again.
Speaker 3: Brought my bear spray and so okay.
Speaker 2: We get to this tiny little service road that goes down.
Speaker 3: A hill and I look down the hill way down
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the hill is a little fire
Speaker 3: and a truck, and I'm like, this bipedal creature hiding
Speaker 3: behind a tree growling at us is not a camper.
Speaker 3: We know that it's too big, And I said, and
Speaker 3: we seem to think that this creature was watching this
Speaker 3: camp maybe to see okay, once they go to sleep,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there's some food.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're gonna leave food.
Speaker 3: Behind, maybe I can get something, and sees us as
Speaker 3: a threat moving in on their food source. Well, we
Speaker 3: walked past that service road and kept going and it
Speaker 3: didn't follow us. So we're like, yeah, he was watching
Speaker 3: the camper. He just wanted something to eat. So we
Speaker 3: kept going and we're hearing all kinds of all kinds
Speaker 3: of you know, movement in the forest, walking, and we're
Speaker 3: just like, okay, let's just keep an eye out.
Speaker 2: It could be dear, it could be anything. We don't know.
Speaker 3: Let's just keep our eyes and ears out in the
Speaker 3: FRM because we don't have any flashlights out because this
Speaker 3: week the moon was so bright we didn't need flashlights.
Speaker 3: So right before we get to our halfway point, Amy
Speaker 3: has her FRM and she's looking into the forest and
Speaker 3: she goes, Guys, I have something really bizarre, but I
Speaker 3: just caught on the firm and I'm looking for it
Speaker 3: again and I'm not finding it, and we're like, what
Speaker 3: is it? She goes, the only way I can describe it,
Speaker 3: it was a hat, a witch's hat, floating on the
Speaker 3: ground and moving away.
Speaker 2: What she goes, I haven't recorded.
Speaker 3: When we get back to camp, we'll take a look,
Speaker 3: she goes, but there's no other way of me describing this.
Speaker 2: So we're like, okay.
Speaker 3: So we meet up with the other team, we exchange
Speaker 3: information as to what we experienced, We move on ahead
Speaker 3: and we loop back around. We don't see anything up ahead,
Speaker 3: and we get back to where we parked. Then we
Speaker 3: decided to move into groups of two with chairs and
Speaker 3: just sit in little like pods in locations like we
Speaker 3: could see each other, but we're far enough away just
Speaker 3: to see what we can experience. No flashlights, just sitting
Speaker 3: there in silence. And so one team saw an orb.
Speaker 3: Another team was here and growling. Sean and I saw
Speaker 3: this woman apparition appear in white floating and just then
Speaker 3: just disappears. We're seeing these little tiny orbs, not big orbs,
Speaker 3: tiny ones like little like fairy lights, and sometimes they
Speaker 3: would get a little bigger. But that was really it.
Speaker 3: There was no other activity other than that.
Speaker 2: Now. We stayed out there until about two two thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning, so we get back to base camp.
Speaker 4: If anybody was drained in that time period, and was
Speaker 4: anybody drained, yeah, are they they started having the nausea
Speaker 4: or all the rest of these other symptoms.
Speaker 2: There was nothing, no we nobody did.
Speaker 3: The only thing Jamie is very very sensitive, was getting
Speaker 3: that sensitivity, like that anxiety like there's something here, and
Speaker 3: like a little not in her stomach. She goes, there's
Speaker 3: something here, there's something here, and that's when we saw
Speaker 3: that creature behind the tree on the firm After that,
Speaker 3: she didn't feel anything, so we were just kind of
Speaker 3: observing and we're like, okay, that was another good night.
Speaker 2: So we get back to base camp.
Speaker 3: We have a fire going because we're all kind of
Speaker 3: like that was really cool, you know, you know, hyped up.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, we start hearing movement around
Speaker 3: the camp. But we're like, and there was enough of
Speaker 3: us there that nothing came in, but we had our
Speaker 3: therms out and all we saw were deer, but we
Speaker 3: knew that there was something else out there making these
Speaker 3: large noises, and it was like, those aren't deer, We're
Speaker 3: hearing something else. So it was it was an amazing,
Speaker 3: amazing experience. And I mean we also had some paranormal
Speaker 3: activity out there too. We had we went up there
Speaker 3: was a graveyard at the top of the hill right
Speaker 3: above base camp, and it was the Coulson family graveyard,
Speaker 3: and so we get up there and I immediately get
Speaker 3: overwhelmed with this feeling like there's somebody watching us, and
Speaker 3: I kind of just meditate a little bit and with
Speaker 3: my mind's eye, I see this woman standing in the
Speaker 3: forest with this long skirt on and this white wrap
Speaker 3: shirt and her hair was in a braid and she's
Speaker 3: looking at me like what are you doing, like just
Speaker 3: like confused. And I tried to talk to her and
Speaker 3: she wouldn't talk to me. The next day we take
Speaker 3: the dowsing rods up there, and I said, and we
Speaker 3: started talking to like we did I see you? And
Speaker 3: we got a solid yes. I said, were you scared?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I said were you confused?
Speaker 3: And she goes yes, like my apologies, like we're here
Speaker 3: just observing, just to say hello. Didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 3: It was more or less that kind of thing. As
Speaker 3: soon as we got done with the dallasing rods, because
Speaker 3: Greg was up there, he immediately got sick, dizzy.
Speaker 2: Lightheaded, just nauseous.
Speaker 3: We had to grab him, get him in the truck
Speaker 3: and drive him down the hill to base camp. And
Speaker 3: then he's like, Okay, I feel better. I feel better.
Speaker 3: Our last day there, myself, Melissa and Janie went back
Speaker 3: up on that hill.
Speaker 2: And I said, I want to go where that lady was.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: We go back there, and again it was like I
Speaker 3: got punched at the stomach. It hit me so hard,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, so I just sat there and I
Speaker 3: just closed my eyes and I with my mind's eye.
Speaker 3: She was standing there and her husband was there too,
Speaker 3: and he had and I'm going to use an old term,
Speaker 3: these dungarees that like farmers and field men wore. He
Speaker 3: had this big hat that was very worn and a
Speaker 3: shirt and he was rather dirty. And she was standing
Speaker 3: there kind of scared, like looking at him and looking
Speaker 3: at me like, oh, this isn't good.
Speaker 2: And he's looking at me angry.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is mad, and I'm like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're just here to say hello. We're gonna
Speaker 3: be respectful, and he's looking at me and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, and I tried to introduce myself and he
Speaker 3: turned away when like I don't have time for this.
Speaker 2: Crap, and he walked away. I'm going that was the
Speaker 2: first for me.
Speaker 3: They were like I make care and she's still looking
Speaker 3: terrified because she thought he was going to do so,
Speaker 3: and like, oh my god, I can't believe you're here
Speaker 3: and he's here and he's gonna be angry, and oh
Speaker 3: my god, oh my god. I'm like I'm gonna leave now.
Speaker 2: So I walks.
Speaker 3: Away and I was like I'm so sorry. It was Yeah,
Speaker 3: they they are still residing there, hanging out on the
Speaker 3: Colson family area.
Speaker 2: It was really cool.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. It seems like all of this phenomena is
Speaker 4: sort of based around this spiritual concept, right, Yes, very much.
Speaker 4: There's there's this connection to maybe alternate dimensions or's some
Speaker 4: kind of dimensionality to it.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. That's what we fully believe is the
Speaker 3: multi dimensional where you have these portals opening, entities are
Speaker 3: coming out, and we almost got the feeling. And of
Speaker 3: course we're going to have to do a lot more
Speaker 3: research to look into this, but it was like Bigfoot
Speaker 3: is there, but they are more observant. You know, they'll
Speaker 3: come in when there's a small group of people, but
Speaker 3: if you're being aggressive, it's almost like that's when the
Speaker 3: portal's open and the rakes come out and dog mags
Speaker 3: comes out, and that's what's protecting them. And that's the
Speaker 3: kind of feeling we got. Now I can't say that
Speaker 3: for sure, but that was just a feeling we all
Speaker 3: had like bigfoots in the background, almost like a person
Speaker 3: up on their porch with the dogs in the front yard.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the way that it's happening is you
Speaker 4: guys are are getting drained, and then more stuff is
Speaker 4: coming through using your energy to do it. So the
Speaker 4: more they scare you, the more the manifestations happen, and
Speaker 4: the more all of the stuff raps up. That's, you know,
Speaker 4: sort of like a constant theme is they're using your
Speaker 4: energy to have more stuff happen, very much, very much.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm pretty good about, you.
Speaker 3: Know, meditating and using my mind's eye and just kind
Speaker 3: of being in silence and looking around.
Speaker 4: And then I.
Speaker 2: Could not see this one patch of forest in our campground.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see it. It was white it out, completely
Speaker 3: white it out. No matter what I did, no matter
Speaker 3: how hard I meditated, it was completely it was a
Speaker 3: white out, like there's something there protecting it.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: It was. It was probably one of the best experiences.
Speaker 3: I've ever had, and it helped me have a better
Speaker 3: understanding of cryptids and paranormal and what experiments work and
Speaker 3: what lures them in and you know, behaviors and energy.
Speaker 2: You know, if you go in.
Speaker 3: And you're going to scare them with long guns and
Speaker 3: military esque you know formations, they're not going to come out.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna they're not going to face that. They
Speaker 3: know that that's a threat. But if they think that
Speaker 3: they can take you, they will.
Speaker 5: That's a crazy crazy stories.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, yeah that's what I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, some people crochet or you know, go shopping.
Speaker 3: I go in the forest and you know, look for
Speaker 3: cryptis and paranormalists.
Speaker 5: Yeah it sounds a lot more fun.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what I do is a lot more fun.
Speaker 5: That's interesting to think about the whole.
Speaker 6: Uh well, I mean I agree also with the portal stuff.
Speaker 6: I really do think there's something to do with that
Speaker 6: and all this shit, because like you're even saying before
Speaker 6: they think disappeared behind your car. Yeah, maybe it's like
Speaker 6: some sort of like I don't know, like portal or
Speaker 6: some vibration change.
Speaker 3: And you know, you hear about reports of bigfoot cloaking.
Speaker 3: That's a cloaking thing, and I don't know much about it,
Speaker 3: and they're saying that they can completely disappear, and there
Speaker 3: have been studies shown that. You know, but with the
Speaker 3: physical eye you cannot see something. But either you see
Speaker 3: a shadow move or you see some an anomaly on
Speaker 3: some sort of equipment that you use, and it is there,
Speaker 3: but you can't see it, you know, it did something
Speaker 3: like that happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I truly do not know. I couldn't
Speaker 2: even tell you.
Speaker 3: And I'm still trying to process what has happened to
Speaker 3: us and really trying to understand, you know, the concept
Speaker 3: of everything that happened that night. It was intense because
Speaker 3: it was happening all around us and everything was different
Speaker 3: and you know, barking and screaming and you know, movement
Speaker 3: and things charging at you, and it was like, what's
Speaker 3: happening and people getting sick?
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was intense and I would do it all over again,
Speaker 3: fifteen times over.
Speaker 2: I do it again.
Speaker 4: Is there a plan to go back?
Speaker 2: I would love to go back. As of right now,
Speaker 2: we are not. We don't have any plans right now.
Speaker 2: We have a.
Speaker 3: Film coming out in January January thirty first, called The
Speaker 3: Vanished where it's a documentary movie about two missing persons
Speaker 3: in the Smoking Mountains that were never solved and it
Speaker 3: was completely unexplained and we investigated the Smoking Mountains for
Speaker 3: a week and had paranormal activity happen every single day. Wow,
Speaker 3: I have never seen activity like that in my life.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I even looked at them, I said, is
Speaker 3: this normal. They're like, no, no, this is not normal.
Speaker 3: We saw orbs every night. We're hearing metal clanging in
Speaker 3: the forest. We're getting flashes of light, like blinding flashing
Speaker 3: of light in darkness, and disembodied voices and just an
Speaker 3: overwhelming feeling of dread and knocking. We were hearing knocking
Speaker 3: as well. And I had interviewed a lady whose family
Speaker 3: had been there for three generations, and she said, yeah,
Speaker 3: my grandfather was brought in to help build the roads
Speaker 3: in the National Forest. And she goes, he was, you know,
Speaker 3: they had to dig a lot of stuff up to
Speaker 3: put the roads in, to go to Cade's.
Speaker 2: Cove and other things.
Speaker 3: And she goes, they found one unmarked grave after another
Speaker 3: after another, and she goes, the horrific part was is
Speaker 3: some of these boxes, they didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: They opened up the boxes and there's a dead body.
Speaker 3: But when they looked at the top of the box,
Speaker 3: there were scratch marks. So a lot of people were
Speaker 3: buried alive or they were murdered.
Speaker 2: And here these.
Speaker 3: Men are digging up these unmarked graves, unleashing this negative
Speaker 3: energy that had been buried.
Speaker 2: And so now you've.
Speaker 3: Got a plethora of paranormal activity. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's why, that's why we're experiencing this all over.
Speaker 2: It's not just one area, it was all over.
Speaker 3: And I was very happy that we were getting this activity.
Speaker 3: But on the flip side, it was like you felt
Speaker 3: horrible because you're like, my god, these entities are still here,
Speaker 3: these spirits are still here.
Speaker 2: They're lingering because of such.
Speaker 3: Tragic endings and events, and it was horrific and terror
Speaker 3: and pain, and You're like, this.
Speaker 2: Is what they experienced at the very end. It was
Speaker 2: really really intense.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: Something I wanted to ask you earlier that I forgot
Speaker 6: to ask. Uh, you guys carrying I would assume you
Speaker 6: guys carry a compass with you? Correctly, do we carry
Speaker 6: on what accompass?
Speaker 2: A conference?
Speaker 5: A compass?
Speaker 2: Oh? A compass?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we carry Yes, we do, but we don't
Speaker 3: navigate through it unless we have to. So do we
Speaker 3: look at it and see if it's spinning around?
Speaker 2: No, we don't normally look at it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I would wonder when people are getting sick to check
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we did experience a spike.
Speaker 3: We were looking at some uh, one of the guys
Speaker 3: the NCI guys had a something that he was measuring
Speaker 3: and its spiked really really high, and I don't really.
Speaker 2: Remember what that was.
Speaker 3: And at the same time that that spiked is when
Speaker 3: Greg was on the top of that hill with us
Speaker 3: and he got sick. I'm like, well, that makes sense,
Speaker 3: so that we have that all documented.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The only reason why I'm even thinking like something to
Speaker 6: do with maybe like the electro magnetic field, Like like,
Speaker 6: if it's taking the energy, something's got to be sucking
Speaker 6: that energy, right, So I would think there's got to
Speaker 6: be a magnetic field in the same area pulling that energy.
Speaker 3: And this whole area is just filled with tragedy and
Speaker 3: you know, the lbl is, you know, I don't really
Speaker 3: remember when they dammed up the rivers, but they pushed
Speaker 3: everybody out of their own land, and people had homes
Speaker 3: and had lived there and buried their family members there,
Speaker 3: and then they just flooded so much and then it's
Speaker 3: just it's it was awful.
Speaker 5: You have any yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Actually you really
Speaker 5: got to me thinking, I really, you know, what the
Speaker 5: stories that or your experiences. I don't want to say
Speaker 5: stories that sounds.
Speaker 8: Like you no, you know, I don't want it to
Speaker 8: with with what you say that was going on, Like
Speaker 8: I really I really wonder about this area just being
Speaker 8: like like something magical is going on.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's something going on there.
Speaker 3: And of course there's a ton of people that live
Speaker 3: around in that area that come in on a regular
Speaker 3: basis and do investigations. Like Martin Groves, he goes in
Speaker 3: there all the time. He has experiences all the time.
Speaker 3: But he goes in again vulnerable. He doesn't carry a weapon.
Speaker 3: He has his walking stick and a lantern.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: So he goes in very peacefully and you know, makes
Speaker 3: contact and is just and leave some some gifts, not food,
Speaker 3: but just gifts, and goes in very mindfully and respectfully.
Speaker 3: I think if I had lived or if I live
Speaker 3: around that area, I would do the same thing. I
Speaker 3: would go in very respectfully, mindfully and just make sure
Speaker 3: that they understand that we are, you.
Speaker 2: Know, going in, not going to be aggressive, but just
Speaker 2: to go in and.
Speaker 4: You knows where they have, right. I think there's the difference.
Speaker 4: There has to be sort of an attitude of reverence
Speaker 4: for there not to be a bunch of trouble. I
Speaker 4: think that's one of the main factors. And they are
Speaker 4: shape shifters, so there's a strange element of that in
Speaker 4: there as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a very very creepy environment, especially at night.
Speaker 2: It's very very creepy.
Speaker 3: You go in and you feel that energy, you feel
Speaker 3: that that anxiety, and then you start to feel I mean,
Speaker 3: I know, I felt knots in my stomach, heaviness in
Speaker 3: my chest, throat, feeling like it's going to close up
Speaker 3: just from them just pushing their energy. I never got sick,
Speaker 3: but others did. Yeah, it was, it was, It was insane.
Speaker 3: So we got to experience a lot of that and
Speaker 3: got to you know, spend some time with NCI guys,
Speaker 3: with the seekers with ASOG, and then we also got
Speaker 3: to film a few episodes of Beyond the Ordinary, which
Speaker 3: is a top show I started with Relic Films and
Speaker 3: so that's aired.
Speaker 2: On YouTube on the Relic Films.
Speaker 4: Channel.
Speaker 2: So we got to really dive in.
Speaker 3: Deep with some really cool guests and talk to them
Speaker 3: about their extreme experiences.
Speaker 4: Well, I'd love to do experiments with this stuff, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Right, because that is the perfect way.
Speaker 5: Fucking weird's going on in those woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so that is the perfect environment to
Speaker 3: do it because it is. I mean, you can go
Speaker 3: into the same space and keep doing experience because it's
Speaker 3: just so vast and you can just target one whole
Speaker 3: area and then move on to the next area when
Speaker 3: you're ready.
Speaker 5: You think you could go in there and do like
Speaker 5: invocations and actually get the chit going.
Speaker 2: I don't recommend again if you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: If you don't know what you're.
Speaker 6: Doing, well, I mean I know the formula, what's gonna
Speaker 6: happen afterwards, I can't really tell you.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, there's because we were, you know, near the
Speaker 3: south area of it on the Tennessee Kentucky border, and
Speaker 3: so we were in that whole area.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have to say, honestly, even with the big.
Speaker 4: What's that that sounds like a job, Let's get out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean it is.
Speaker 3: I mean you could spend a month there and just
Speaker 3: really have the best time and just experience everything and
Speaker 3: move around and just kind of get a just a
Speaker 3: set up camp and just observe.
Speaker 2: I don't think a week was long enough, right, I.
Speaker 5: Could see that You're like, oh, I was just getting
Speaker 5: great and then he had to go home.
Speaker 2: Right, I know.
Speaker 3: It was like you know, had I had a shower,
Speaker 3: I think I could have stayed longer.
Speaker 5: You know. Oh yeah, that could make a huge difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made a huge difference.
Speaker 3: And you know it was a little It rained twice
Speaker 3: and of course the last night it rained, and then
Speaker 3: the next morning we had to break camp and in
Speaker 3: the mud, I.
Speaker 5: Think it was. That was great stuff. And Natalie, I
Speaker 5: think I think we could kind of wrap it up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was actually a lot like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you should a lot hold us a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wasn't expected that much as considering this a movie
Speaker 6: coming out, So yeah, I appreciate how much you told
Speaker 6: us already.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's some.
Speaker 6: Uh definitely, it definitely got me wanting to see I
Speaker 6: got to watch this ship now.
Speaker 3: That Oh yeah, so that'll come out the end of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, but definitely go see The Vanished. January
Speaker 3: thirty first is the premiere in Gardendale, Alabama. We're also
Speaker 3: having a para con. They're a small para con where
Speaker 3: we're going to have speakers and vendors and some really
Speaker 3: cool things going on in contests and I'll be speaking there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So Gardendale, Alabama, and that's where tickets are on sale
Speaker 3: now and there's vendor spots open.
Speaker 5: Oh really, I was just going to ask you if
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's vendor spots open.
Speaker 6: Might do I might do that actually yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: let me know about that after the show. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I'll obviously I'll be since I do follow you on
Speaker 6: Instagram when this stuff comes out, and we'll be like
Speaker 6: sharing it and people will know that the show's out,
Speaker 6: see how posting about it. But yeah, yeah, definitely keep
Speaker 6: an eye off for all that stuff. Like I said,
Speaker 6: this already sounds fucking wild just from her toms, So
Speaker 6: I'm really looking forward to this.
Speaker 5: And he definitely got me interested. You know.
Speaker 6: The one thing I just wanted to say too, I
Speaker 6: guess before we end it like not even so much
Speaker 6: uh with the bigfoot stuff itself. It's everything else that
Speaker 6: comes along with the looking for him that really gets
Speaker 6: me interested. To tell you the truth, you know.
Speaker 5: It's just so yeah of like just high strangeness.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It's very because you've got you know, and then it
Speaker 3: overlaps into paranormal and then you orbs ufo you know,
Speaker 3: orbs ufo activity, and then it all somehow is all connected.
Speaker 3: And once you get into one you you're going to
Speaker 3: get into the other stuff as well.
Speaker 2: It's inevitable.
Speaker 6: So it seems like lately when you hear people's investigations
Speaker 6: it's got like everything, Oh yeah, nice, great stuff. Well, Natalie,
Speaker 6: let everybody know where they can find all your stuff
Speaker 6: again or whatever you want to advertise.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I am on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok under
Speaker 3: Natalie Sneerman. You can also find me on Relic Films
Speaker 3: Media on Facebook and Relic Films YouTube channel, and All
Speaker 3: Beyond the Ordinary is on the fourth episode right now,
Speaker 3: the fifth episodes coming out on Sunday. Definitely check that
Speaker 3: out because we have a ton of fun talking to
Speaker 3: these folks and it's a really cool vibe. Definitely go
Speaker 3: check that out. And then the Vanish just coming out
Speaker 3: January thirty first, and be sure to look out for
Speaker 3: returning to land between the links making contact. And then
Speaker 3: of course you could find me on Blondes and Booze
Speaker 3: and Paranormal among us podcasts.
Speaker 6: Nice, nice, awesome, And if anybody wants to see what
Speaker 6: it's like to see Natalie speak at an event, you
Speaker 6: can check out the thing I did film for her
Speaker 6: when she was at Charlie's beyond belief that is up
Speaker 6: on the occult Rejects did a very good job. You know,
Speaker 6: she'll definitely keep your attention for the time that she's talking,
Speaker 6: thank you. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, yeah, so yeah. And
Speaker 6: the reason I'm saying that if people are thinking, like, oh,
Speaker 6: maybe I should go check out this thing in Alabama,
Speaker 6: go check out you know what she did in the past,
Speaker 6: and I'm sure she'll be doing something better than that
Speaker 6: in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be doing a little something a little
Speaker 2: different than yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I can imagine from that, you know,
Speaker 6: from the stuff I've even known you've done already since then,
Speaker 6: You've already had tons of experiences. I didn't you even have,
Speaker 6: like some wild shit happened to you. Why I was
Speaker 6: there when you went out. You went out investigating. Remember
Speaker 6: you're like you got smamp boots and I.
Speaker 8: Was like, fuck, no, I don't, Oh my gosh, yeah,
Speaker 8: you even tell me crazy shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, five of us went out
Speaker 3: to investigate. So it was myself, Marie, Marie Dumont from
Speaker 3: mid Florida Bigfoot researchers, Cheryl Bob and when Lynn goes,
Speaker 3: I have this place, I'm gonna take you guys.
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, all right, she goes there's there could
Speaker 2: be big foot.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be UFOs. We're like, let's go. I always
Speaker 3: carry bear spray, folks. I'm a huge advocate from.
Speaker 5: The bear spray.
Speaker 2: There's a reason.
Speaker 3: So we go out and we're walking along this little
Speaker 3: dirt road you can't get a car down by no means.
Speaker 3: And we're walking and there's a really tall grass and
Speaker 3: there's trees and brush all around us, and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, there could be.
Speaker 3: Something literally right on the other side, and we wouldn't
Speaker 3: know because you can't see it's so thick.
Speaker 2: So we keep.
Speaker 3: Walking and walking, and we hear a growl like okay,
Speaker 3: we just stopped staying very still nothing on the firm.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well, maybe it could have been a
Speaker 3: bear or something, and you know, hey, So we keep going,
Speaker 3: and so Bob and Lynn turn around to go back
Speaker 3: because Bob forgot to lock his jeep, which left me
Speaker 3: and Cheryl. We're like, not a big deal, we got
Speaker 3: plenty of stuff to do. We're gonna just kind of
Speaker 3: mosey around. So we're like just doing our thing, just
Speaker 3: relaxing and enjoying. And then Marie goes, there's something right here,
Speaker 3: and me with my therm turn around, going where and
Speaker 3: I start to walk towards her, and something very large
Speaker 3: gets up in the tall grass. Now it's on four legs.
Speaker 3: We know it's not a bigfoot, we know it's not
Speaker 3: anything else, but it's something big. I'm going, oh lord.
Speaker 3: So Marie grabs Cheryl. She goes, we need to get
Speaker 3: out of here now. And I have my walking stick,
Speaker 3: I got my bear spray, and I'm walking kind of
Speaker 3: backwards and sideways. I'm keeping my eye on this thing
Speaker 3: that's now paralleling us out in the tall grass. Marie
Speaker 3: and Cheryl are like behind me, but walking. They're like
Speaker 3: go and Marie's like, come on, Cheryl, we gotta go.
Speaker 2: We gotta go.
Speaker 3: And this thing is now just all fours, just like ah,
Speaker 3: you know, and we are clearly not walking fast enough.
Speaker 3: And this thing comes and charges us, and it was
Speaker 3: a panther. I shoot a little bit of bear spray
Speaker 3: just to scare it and stop it, because I don't
Speaker 3: want to hurt it. But I'm like, this thing could
Speaker 3: kill us, but I you know, it's like all in
Speaker 3: my head at the split second. Yeah, I shoot. When
Speaker 3: I shoot the bear spray, it makes, of course a
Speaker 3: loud noise. Marie and Cheryl scream. Bob and Lynn hear
Speaker 3: them scream and come hauling ass back. I'm like, just
Speaker 3: go go, and I am like trying to run backwards
Speaker 3: out of the forest and this thing is not following us,
Speaker 3: but I'm like if it back around somewhere and cuts
Speaker 3: us off, We're like, I'm gonna have to shoot this
Speaker 3: thing again with bear spray. And then finally we meet
Speaker 3: up with Bob and Lynn. Bob comes around, like what's
Speaker 3: going on. I'm like, just go, just go, just go,
Speaker 3: and we finally get out of there, and then at
Speaker 3: that point, the adrenaline is going and now we start
Speaker 3: laughing because it was so insane that a Florida panther
Speaker 3: had charged us, and Lynn goes, you know, Lynn was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we found out later that it was a Florida panther
Speaker 3: refuge area that we walked into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you just took us in here?
Speaker 5: It is spray because I walked into his house.
Speaker 2: Here, I am.
Speaker 9: Walking into their house like here you and they like
Speaker 9: trying to push us out and it was insane.
Speaker 4: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: Hey, Cryptic, how you doing that?
Speaker 5: Was fair? I remember you telling me something. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I need a new can bear sprays.
Speaker 2: One that went out at the l B L.
Speaker 5: At least at least it's coming in handy, right.
Speaker 2: So I told everybody, I said, this is a good
Speaker 2: lesson because think about it.
Speaker 3: You have some crawler which is a generic term, charging you.
Speaker 3: You don't know what it is, and you pull a
Speaker 3: gun and try to shoot it.
Speaker 2: Are you really going to hit that thing?
Speaker 3: Or are you just going to make it mad? Me
Speaker 3: with my bear spray. Yeah, we had to retreat, but
Speaker 3: it stopped it.
Speaker 2: So I have a firm believer on bear spray.
Speaker 5: I think definitely.
Speaker 4: Well that's what you're going to be known for from
Speaker 4: now on. Is going to be like.
Speaker 2: That's right, just come to me.
Speaker 3: And then somebody goes, you know, you should be a
Speaker 3: spokesperson for that bear spray.
Speaker 5: Sponsoring you, right.
Speaker 3: You should start sponsoring me with bear spray.
Speaker 6: Listen, all right, Headless, let everybody know where they can
Speaker 6: find your stuff at.
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter and on YouTube Headless
Speaker 4: Giant and on Instagram, so check it out.
Speaker 5: Thank you, of course.
Speaker 6: No, thank you for coming on and again, Natalie, that
Speaker 6: was an awesome time.
Speaker 5: I knew it was gonna be like usual.
Speaker 6: But hopefully we'll talk to you again in the future,
Speaker 6: maybe even see you at this event.
Speaker 5: That you were talking about. I'm hopefully. Yeah, I'll see
Speaker 5: if I can get the information from you after the show. Yeah,
Speaker 5: whatever happened? Real quick?
Speaker 6: What was Wasn't there one that was in Tennessee near
Speaker 6: Nashville or something like that?
Speaker 5: You remember, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: We we're going to be doing another investigation like around
Speaker 3: the Nashville area for paranormal We're gonna be doing that
Speaker 3: as another film.
Speaker 6: Okay, awesome, awesome, all right, all right, yeah it's over.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. I appreciate you coming on, Italie,
Speaker 6: everybody in the chat, thank you so much for jumping
Speaker 6: in and commenting, uh in Cryptical Crossroads. Thank you for
Speaker 6: showing up. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what's up. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, and again thank you for everybody for checking
Speaker 5: out the live. That's why we go live, and there's
Speaker 5: a lot of people here from the beginning to the end.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And then that's what's up, and that's why I do it.
Speaker 6: And until the next one, everybody be well later.
Speaker 2: Thank you.