WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:03.919 All right, Hi, this William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:06.240 Investigates on Tonight Show. Have a very special guest. He 3 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:10.320 comes to us from Australia. His name is doctor Tasman Walker, 4 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.320 and he is with a website, but he also has 5 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.839 a background in the general subject of creationism. But a 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:19.079 lot of his information that I saw was on creation 7 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.960 dot com. So it's c R E A T I 8 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.920 O N dot com and we're going to talk about 9 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:30.079 his inquiry and insights into something that's much different than 10 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.240 people would think, which is the legacy of the Earth, 11 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.079 out the dates of the Earth, and maybe also contradicts 12 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.240 kind of evolutionary biology. But he can talk more about that. 13 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:42.520 So doctor tas Walker, are you there. 14 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.520 It's good to be here, Bill, It's really nice to 15 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:47.439 be on your program. 16 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.320 Great, thanks for gring to the interview for people may 17 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:52.799 not have heard your background or your name. Can you 18 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.840 talk about what led you kind of to this inquiry 19 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.320 and then what's your kind of view of creation is? 20 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.520 Is that contradicts kind of the modern scientific worldview? 21 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.519 Yeah, well, I guess you'd have to say it came 22 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.920 out of my Christian commitment when I was in my 23 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.400 early teens, I made a commitment to christ and I've 24 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.640 always been interested in how things work, pulling things apart, 25 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:22.400 putting things together, and I ended up becoming an engineer. 26 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.519 So that's really my background. So when I became a Christian, 27 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.680 I wanted to figure out how everything fitted together and 28 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.640 how it fitted in with science, and that really started 29 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.000 a journey for me, and I guess it really came 30 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.840 together when I read the book The Genesis Flood by 31 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.719 Whitcombe and Morris. I was in my twenties when I 32 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.840 read that. Before that, I really couldn't see how it 33 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:48.239 fitted together. And I connected with a group called Creation 34 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.040 Science Foundation, which was active at the time in the 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.239 city where I lived in Brisbane, Australia, and so I 36 00:01:55.280 --> 00:02:00.480 started getting their literature, creation magazine, Journal of Creation Thing 37 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.159 and I became very interested in how things worked and 38 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:08.520 how they fitted together. So yeah, so that's really my journey. 39 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.439 I worked as an engineer. I was involved with POWERstation design, 40 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.800 POWERstation operation, POWERstation planning. In the state where I live. 41 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:24.599 I was involved in the planning of a hydroelectric scheme 42 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:30.560 which over many years and as a result of that, 43 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.560 I was interested in geology, but really more as a 44 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:38.400 mechanical engineer than as a geologist. But I became interested 45 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:44.159 in well, I couldn't see how Noah's flood, which was 46 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.960 a key thing to understanding how it or everything worked, 47 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.159 I couldn't see how that fitted in with the geologic column. 48 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:57.000 So I developed a little back of the envelope model 49 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:03.560 scheme for how it worked, and through various circumstances, I 50 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.360 was prompted to write an abstract on that and submitted 51 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.919 to a creation conference which was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in 52 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.520 quite a number of years ago, and I remember showing 53 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.479 it to a fellow where I worked in the power industry. 54 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.319 He was not a Christian, but I showed it to 55 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.960 him and he was interested to read it. And when 56 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.520 he handed it back to me, he said, yeah, it's 57 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:27.719 very interesting, he said, but no one will take any 58 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.919 notice of you because you're not a geologist. You don't 59 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.680 have any geological degrees. So as a result of that, 60 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.800 it prompted me to go back as a mature student 61 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:45.680 and study geology. And I got a Bachelor of Earth Science, 62 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.840 Bachelor of Science in earth science, and we call it 63 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:54.800 an honors degree in science in earth science. And after 64 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.120 i'd done that I ended up connecting with Creation Ministries International, 65 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.560 which is where I am now as a speaker, researcher, 66 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:07.639 write editor everything. 67 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.039 There's a lot of material there, so people should go 68 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.800 check out creation dot com because we're going to kind 69 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.599 of talk about nosed flood and geology, but there's so 70 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.759 many other address there's a whole set of documentaries and 71 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.360 things like that. But so you have an academic background 72 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.240 and applied that. Now. I've had other guests where that 73 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.360 we talk about how science and creation actually people like 74 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:36.279 the early scientist Galileo guys who categorized all the animals 75 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.319 were all Christians. But that's something has happened more recently 76 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.319 within the last couple hundred years. So you are seeing 77 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.319 you're kind of a rare different than the modern scientific 78 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:51.160 tradition in that you're seeing things through a biblical worldview. 79 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.560 Correct, Yes, yeah, that's correct. All the geology started with 80 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.959 the biblical worldview, and it's mentioned in the science degree 81 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.079 in various science textbooks, but only as a throwaway line 82 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.279 and sort of can you believe they used to believe 83 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.360 the Bible, but now we understand science and that sort 84 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.160 of thing. So geology does have a Christian heritage as 85 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:21.839 one of the early pioneers of geology, Nicholas Tino. He 86 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.680 lived in the sixteen hundreds and he wrote a book 87 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.680 about geology which is used even today. His principles are 88 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.639 sort of the very first principles that you learned do 89 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:37.720 in geology. And he was a biblical creationist. He started 90 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.519 with the Bible and used that as his way of 91 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.600 interpreting the geological history of the area where he lived 92 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:51.120 in Tuscany. So that's something that modern geologists don't really 93 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.879 want to know, is that these guys that they're still 94 00:05:54.920 --> 00:06:00.480 teaching about, we're biblical creationists. And so that chain. So 95 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.319 it started out as a biblical believing the Bible, and 96 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:11.399 that changed in the late sixteen hundred and seventeen hundreds 97 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.720 with a change with the Enlightenment, so called Enlightenment, a 98 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:20.120 desire to dispense with any with the Bible and find 99 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:26.160 a sort of a secular, naturalistic way of explaining things. 100 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.399 Right, So this is it's marked the change, and you're 101 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.839 trying to bring that back. Like when you look at 102 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.600 and I know that catastrophism exists, there's all kinds of catastrophes. 103 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.720 There was like the Krakatoa exploded. There's evidence of all 104 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.639 these catastrophes. Can you talk about catastrophism in the context 105 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.560 of Noah's flood and biblical history? 106 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.759 Yeah, well, no his flood, of course was a catastrophe. 107 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:57.639 It lasted just over twelve months, and we always hear 108 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:02.680 it ran for forty days and forty nights, and the 109 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.199 waters not only came from the rain, but they came 110 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:08.480 from under the ground. And so the waters rose, rose 111 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.879 and rose, until every high mountain under the entire heavens 112 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.519 were covered. So we read about that, and for a 113 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.519 long time I couldn't figure out how it tied in 114 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.040 with science until I read the book The Genesis Flood, 115 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:26.240 and Noah's flood is the key to understanding how the 116 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.439 whole world youth hits together. And so Noah's flood the 117 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.879 modern geologist. You've got a picture up there of Nicholas Tino, 118 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.240 but there's another guy called James Hutton. He was a 119 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.319 Scottish physician and he was very interested in geology, and 120 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:48.000 he wrote a book called Theory of the Earth, and 121 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.839 he assumed, and he made the assumption that we have 122 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.879 to explain geology by what we see happening. Now. It's 123 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:02.759 interesting that geology is it's different from the sort of 124 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.439 normal the sciences of chemistry and physics and those sorts 125 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.920 of things where you actually do experiments and you measure 126 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.319 things in the present. So it's the repeatable experiment. So 127 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.439 I did that as an engineer. I was very much 128 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.759 involved in fluid dynamics, and you would set up experiments 129 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.720 and make measurements and record them, and I would try 130 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:31.120 to get my experiments to match or see how they 131 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.919 agreed with experiments which had done in the US. And 132 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:39.360 as a consequence of that, that's repeatable experiments which are 133 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.519 done in the present, which can be observed and documented. 134 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.840 And so that's the power of science which gives us 135 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.519 some modern technology. But when it comes to geology, you 136 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.240 can't go back in time to see what actually happened. 137 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.799 You have to make assumptions. So we can make the 138 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:03.360 observation in the present. We can look at the rocks 139 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.360 and see how they're related, and look at the landscapes, 140 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:08.759 and we can do all those sorts of measurements on 141 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:12.279 the fossils in the present. But the question how did 142 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.519 they get here? Is how do you do that? Well? 143 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.840 James Hutton is the guy. He lived in the sixteen hundreds. 144 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.559 He died in the late sixteen hundreds, I think it was, 145 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.720 And he is the guy that basically said, well, you 146 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.200 have to use what we can see happening now, so 147 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.639 we can see things happening now, and we assume it's 148 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.679 always been like that. So that was James Hutton's assumption. 149 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.480 It's called the principle of uniformitarianism. And as a consequence 150 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.919 of that, you end up with an earth that is untold, 151 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.399 eons of time old. It's sort of James Hutton said, 152 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:57.879 there's no vestige of a beginning, no sign of an answer. 153 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:03.200 He had an idea of an eternal cyclic called geological processes. 154 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:08.480 It's called the rock cycle. It's been adapted into So 155 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.159 that's the new philosophy that came in, and based on 156 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:16.879 that philosophy, Darwin then he was very interested in geology, 157 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:21.639 but he applied that. He applied that to the idea 158 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.960 of biology, and so he used the slow and gradual 159 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.840 changes in biology. So that's where the modern philosophies come in. 160 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:34.039 And that's basically it's really naturalism, the idea that everything 161 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:38.879 made itself by natural processes. But it came in through geology. 162 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.840 Right, So you're saying just to we state that you're 163 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.480 saying that Darwinism came out of an understanding of geology. 164 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:51.080 Correct of absolutely. Okay, So there's different interpretations of the 165 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.679 fossil record, right, So you have this different you have 166 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.440 the different strata. You show that in some of your talks, 167 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.440 but there's also kind of a different stratification of ages 168 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.600 or playsta scene or of these ages. How this is 169 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:09.279 the geologic time scale, So how is the modern science 170 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.320 interpreting this and how do you interpret this? 171 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:16.279 So basically, the geologists do a great job as far 172 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.120 as you know, making observations of the rocks, and what 173 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.000 you've got up there is a geological timescale. And so 174 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.759 that came out of the eighteen hundreds where they as 175 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.399 they started exploring things, they started naming things, and so 176 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:35.360 they give the rocks different names, like the rocks around 177 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:40.720 of Devon in England we're called the Devonian, the Chalk 178 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.919 rocks and the English Channel on the British coast were 179 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.639 called the Cretaceous. So they gave them names to document them, 180 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.919 and that's what appears in the geologic column. So you've 181 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.720 you've got the Cambrian which came out of Wales, which 182 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.480 what used to be called the Cambria, and then you've 183 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.480 got then we have things like the Devonian and the 184 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:09.679 Carboniferous where the coal deposits in England. So that's the observation. 185 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.840 So when you look at the geologic column, basically it's 186 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:18.240 a record of what's actually observed and the names are fine, 187 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.799 but the dates along the side, which they've got dates. 188 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.200 The Cambrian is sort of five hundred million years old, 189 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.159 six hundred million years old. You've got the Devonian three 190 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.600 hundred million years old. So those dates come out of 191 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:40.080 Hutton's assumption that present processes are enough to explain the rocks, 192 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.799 and so out of that assumption comes along eons of time. 193 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.720 So the eons of time were there back in the 194 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.879 early eighteen hundreds, even before that, back in the late 195 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.759 seventeen hundreds. This concept of eons of time, and it 196 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:59.639 comes from assuming that the present processes have always operated 197 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.080 the way they have, and so the eons of time 198 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:07.840 was long before radioactive dating. Radioactive radioactivity was discovered in 199 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.960 the late eighteen hundreds and that was applied to dating, 200 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.279 you know, radioactive dating in the early nineteen hundreds, and 201 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.480 it's a flood now. And people think that the long 202 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.480 Ages were discovered by radioactive dating, but it wasn't. It 203 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:27.679 comes out of an assumption. Assumption is that is that 204 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.039 the present processes have always operated the way they have 205 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:36.440 and that the global flood described in Genesis was not 206 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.639 a real event and it did not impact their globe 207 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.840 and so we can ignore it. So that's basically the assumption. 208 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.879 But there is proofs outside of the Bible that the 209 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.080 flood existed. I think, like in sixteen or eighteen. Cultures 210 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.200 have some type of myth that involves a flood. So 211 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.919 there is in human records the event of something of 212 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.559 the giant watering. And I think you even mentioned and 213 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.240 I was aware of this that even at the highest peaks, 214 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.879 and this is a statistic, is a fact, is that 215 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:09.200 there's records of water somehow being there, or are records 216 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.759 of fossils or remnants of aquatic life. 217 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.279 Right, yes, at the top of Mount Everest has got 218 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:22.080 marine fossils, it's got sea lilies, and that the buds 219 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.360 and stems of Cea lilies have been recovered from up 220 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.480 the top of Mount Everest. So the idea of fossils 221 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.159 and being on the top of mountains. Everybody knows that 222 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.639 that's the case. But that's one of the evidences that 223 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.759 what you'd expect from a global flood. The other thing 224 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:44.320 that's important is to understand the movements of the crust 225 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:48.360 of the Earth, the tectonics that occurred, so the flood 226 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:53.639 was just didn't come up. It involved a huge cataclysm 227 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.679 on the Earth where the crusts of the Earth was 228 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:04.279 fractured and it was folded, and sediments were deposited, they 229 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:07.879 were metamorphosed, and then they were folded, and just an 230 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.919 ongoing process which occurred. And I liken it to the 231 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.720 it's not a very good analogy really, but the sinking 232 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.759 of the Titanic. You know, it took about three hours, 233 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:24.000 but it was a process where there was a gash 234 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.519 in the side and then the water filled it up, 235 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.879 and then the ship listed and then it you know, 236 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.159 it broke open, and you know, so there's this ongoing 237 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.720 processes which occurred as a result of the sinking of 238 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.200 the Titanic. But it's the same thing on the Earth. 239 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:44.759 There's ongoing processes which occurred over this one year period, 240 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:50.440 enormous processes, and today you know, geologists with these long 241 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.759 age glasses try to interpret it in terms of slow 242 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:59.320 and gradual over millions of years. 243 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.759 So that worldview is what the earth is a built 244 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.960 like a billion years old or something like that. And 245 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.759 you do you have like a literal biblical worldview that's 246 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.879 like similar to the time, like how Jews date time 247 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:14.200 it started. 248 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.240 Well, when you think about the past, how do we 249 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:24.000 know the date of anything? Basically it's history. Without history, 250 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.960 it's virtually impossible to be able to put a date 251 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:31.120 on something. And I use analogies like timing of a 252 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.159 swimming race. You know, if you didn't if you didn't 253 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:39.159 observe the timepiece when the race started, you can't know 254 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.840 what the time was when the race finished, how long 255 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:48.519 it took. So I look at the Bible. Is a 256 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.639 history book, consider it to be a history book, a 257 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.360 Sherman to be a history book. There's good evidence for that, 258 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.320 and there's good reasons for that. And so assuming is 259 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:03.200 a history book, the chronological information is very clear. It's 260 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.440 about four and a half thousand years ago to the flood, 261 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.839 and before that another seven eight hundred years. That's about 262 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:18.119 six thousand years to the creation event. And so if 263 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.759 you don't have that it's really had to actually put 264 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:21.720 a date on anything. 265 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.599 Right then, so you believe in the now do you 266 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.119 also believe that the Genesis account the seven days as 267 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:32.519 literal as well? So all the events, so those are literal? 268 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.880 Then what in that? So the biblical worldview and then 269 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.400 the modern science worldview or different? So how do you 270 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.799 address the kind of view that there's these so you see, 271 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.880 you think these scales are almost like evil evolution where 272 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.599 there's really no proof, they're just putting times and dates 273 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.839 on that. How do you square the biblical worldview with 274 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.240 this modern science worldview? 275 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.480 Well, he used the word worldview, and willview is a 276 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.240 way of looking at the world. It involves beliefs, our 277 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.759 belief system. And so when you say the science worldview, 278 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:14.119 I would call that the naturalistic worldview. Right, So there's 279 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:19.000 the there's a science of naturalism where the assumption is 280 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:23.599 that everything happened by natural processes and it all made itself. 281 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:28.119 So that's our worldview assumption. And then you've got the 282 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:32.880 assumption that the Bible's recording true history, so you've got 283 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:36.480 the science that comes out of that assumption. So it's 284 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:42.279 not science versus faith it's basically it's two faiths and 285 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:47.440 the science of these two different faiths. And so as creationists, 286 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.640 we accept everything that's observed, you know, the anything that 287 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:57.119 evolutionists observe and document and measure, they're they're the facts. 288 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:01.559 It's the interpretations that we look at differently. We place 289 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.279 different interpretations on these, just the same way that the 290 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.480 people who have the naturalistic belief system they interpret it 291 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.720 within that belief system. 292 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:17.799 So how does the creationists interpret the kind of geologic 293 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:22.319 not the record, but like you know, the record of 294 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.559 animals that have been caught in you know, dirt or whatever. 295 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:31.559 That's all due to the events like the flood. Is 296 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:31.960 that right? 297 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:38.000 Yes, basically most of the most of the geologic system 298 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:43.240 was created formed during the Noah's flood. It was a 299 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:48.319 monstrous event. And what is what we see on the earth, 300 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:53.359 what we have access to is basically goes from the 301 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.000 beginning of the flood where there was a huge you know, 302 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:03.920 it was a highly energetic catastrophe beginning that occurred, and 303 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.359 that goes from the pre Cambrian you know, and there 304 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.480 would be dates on that of two billion years and 305 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.960 so that was we would say, no, it's not two 306 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.880 billion years. It was early in the flood. It was 307 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.759 the right of the very you know, very in the 308 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.720 early weeks or days and weeks, and then it goes 309 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:28.920 right through to basically to the Mesozoic, which is and 310 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:33.799 the Cenozoic, which is the very most recent rocks would 311 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.279 were formed towards the end of the flood. So not 312 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.400 a lot was formed after the flood because humans have 313 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.839 to live on the earth, and so you have the 314 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:46.240 ice age after the flood. So basically the order on 315 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.920 the geologic column. A friend of mine, a colleague, Michael Ord, 316 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.720 has written an article called, you know, the called the 317 00:20:54.799 --> 00:21:00.160 geologic column is a general order of the flood, but 318 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:05.759 it's there are exceptions to it, and so that's that's the. 319 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.440 Soul you would interpret like all of the kind of 320 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.240 wear and tear like at you know, some of these 321 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:17.960 Grand Canyon or something like that, that would all be 322 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.680 post flood where in tears that corrected. 323 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.160 Well, the Grand Canyon was laid down by the floodwaters 324 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.359 as the waters were rising. So you have these you know, 325 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:35.799 very horizontal, long thin layers a roupt these strata which 326 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.680 they extend for hundreds of kilometers. So that was the 327 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:43.559 water's washing sediments into the area, and then you have 328 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:47.119 the floid waters of Noah's flood receding when they covered 329 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.400 the whole area, that carved the flat surfaces at the top. 330 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.839 You see a lot of flat surfaces in the Grand Canyon. 331 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.400 And then the canyon itself was carved by the tail 332 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.319 end of the flood as the flood of the waters 333 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.200 were almost drained off, and it was carved the canyon itself. 334 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.160 And there's some amazing features in the canyon which point 335 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:13.359 to the fact that there was water ponded on the 336 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:18.680 top of the plateau there which which drained and formed 337 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:24.079 these side canyons and this fractal shape for the canyon. 338 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.920 So it's very fascinating and there's articles on creation dot 339 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:32.119 Com about that, about the carving of the Grand Canyon. 340 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.160 So what are the things that are on top that 341 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.640 indicate that there was water there. 342 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:43.119 Well, there's sediments which have been deposited by water that's 343 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.799 on the canyon. Plus there's fossils in the sediments which 344 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:50.279 indicate that they were you know, that these things were 345 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:53.880 buried in water. And then what else. The fact that 346 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.480 the canyons carved flat indicates that some sort of watery 347 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:04.119 process has carved it flat. Now please continue interesting with 348 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.880 the canyon. If you look at the canyon, there's we've 349 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.119 got this belief system of geologists have this belief system, 350 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:18.039 the Long Age uniformitarian geologists. They don't like that term 351 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.359 so much these days. But the people who believe that 352 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.079 everything happened by slow and gradual processes and there never 353 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.440 was a global flood, that's their belief. They see, for example, 354 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.680 there's some one of the layers in the Grand Canyon 355 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:38.200 is called the Coconino Sandstone, which looks like it's got 356 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.480 very big sand dunes in it, very large sand dunes. 357 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:50.839 And because they're so large, the Long Age geologists can't 358 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:56.039 interpret those as water laid because it would mean a 359 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:01.839 watery flood of biblical proportion. And so whenever they come 360 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.680 across something like this, they say, oh, it must have 361 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.359 formed in a desert, right, So they interpret it as 362 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.559 forming in a desert because of the large sand dunes. 363 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.599 But there's quite strong evidence that these that point to 364 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:20.039 it actually forming in water. And it indicates how these 365 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:24.880 interpretations lead us down a wrong path, you know, when 366 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:26.880 they say there was a desert and then they then 367 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:32.599 use it against against a biblical geologists they see, how 368 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.119 could you possibly have a desert in the middle of 369 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:40.000 Noah's flood, And it comes from their interpretation, not the 370 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.839 actual fact, that it's not a fact itself. 371 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.880 And what other geologic proofs are there for people who 372 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:51.119 aren't aware of Creation and Noah's flood? Can you think 373 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:52.039 any other ones talking? 374 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.319 Oh, there's lots of evidences for Noah's flood. I talked 375 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:01.039 about the flat the flat surfaces there all around the world. 376 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:04.240 You find these flat surfaces on the top of plateaus 377 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:09.000 where there's been erosion. That's an evidence of the waters 378 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:13.400 of Noah's flood covering the whole area. Another evidence is 379 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.920 as the waters, the waters of Noah's flood, they covered 380 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.960 the whole continents of North America and Asia and all 381 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.359 the places the whole of the world. When the waters 382 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:30.960 then started to drain off, the ocean basins sank gradually sank, 383 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.599 and the continents were uplifted. And mainstream geologists would say 384 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.079 that they talk about the the uplift of the continent. 385 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.920 So it's it's accepted that this happened. So creation is 386 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.400 see that as being the process as which ended the flood, 387 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.400 and as the waters flowed off, they eroded the surface, 388 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:58.960 and they eroded out lots of rocks. And there's particularly 389 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.920 one sort of very hard rock called a qurtzite, which 390 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.480 were eroded from the rocky mountains. And these were theyse 391 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:11.200 were carried by water to the west and to the east, 392 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.440 and so you have what they these court side boulders. 393 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.960 They can be up to eighteen inches across. They're rounded 394 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.640 like they're being rounded in a water in being carried 395 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.960 along by a watery river, and they cover such a 396 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.839 huge area. That's that's an evidence of enormous water flows 397 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.240 which were connected with the tail end of the flood 398 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.599 as the waters were flowing off the continents. 399 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.759 And what other Is there any other proofs other than 400 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.440 that that you would add to the proofs of Creasia. 401 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:49.000