WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:02.720 This seven twenty nine on a Wednesday, and a happy 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:05.480 one to you. It's time we could talk to Donovan 3 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:10.119 Andeil Americans for Prosperities donov An Aneil, Welcome back, Donovan. 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:11.560 It's always a pleasure speaking with you on the fifty 5 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:12.679 five Case Morning Show. 6 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:14.119 Brian. 7 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:16.239 Always good to start my morning with you. Let's talk 8 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:19.960 veto overrides. They didn't override all of the ones related 9 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.800 to property taxes, but we did get something accomplished the 10 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:26.079 other day. I know AFP was behind the effort to 11 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.039 restore those provisions in the budget that allowed for a 12 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.479 small measure a potential property tax relief. Got to qualify 13 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:35.439 all of it because it wasn't going to immediately result 14 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:38.920 in our property taxes drafting, but it would have provided 15 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.840 some measure of flexibility going in that direction. For whatever reason, 16 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:45.840 Governor de Wines struck those provisions from the tax bill, 17 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.679 claiming that they needed to be looked into more, which 18 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:54.479 is crazy considering our elected officials have been looking at 19 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.479 this for a solid year and that's how they came 20 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.159 up with a list of potential property tax relief provisions, 21 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.399 some of which were ultimately incorporated into the incorporated into 22 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.040 the budget. So where are we on this right now, 23 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:05.760 Donovan and Neil? 24 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.719 Yeah, I mean I think I think folks are a 25 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:13.560 little deflated after that result. But you know, the reality 26 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:17.040 is we we've over in one of those four provisions, 27 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.359 and it's an important one. It's the Truth and Taxation provisions. 28 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.359 And so what that's what that'll do when that goes 29 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.640 into effect after the Senate passes it, the senateslots to 30 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.680 vote on it, it'll allow it'll remove some of these 31 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.000 inflamed language like emergency levees, and it'll remove some of 32 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.040 the confusing language like replacement levees. 33 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:36.680 And so it's an. 34 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.079 Important piece in the transparency side of the equation. But 35 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.280 on the relief side of the equation, we still need 36 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.760 things to get done. Their studies have been completed, the 37 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:51.920 testimonies all filed and delivered, but the governor, as you 38 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.359 pointed out, had vetoed some of the other provisions that 39 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:56.480 would resolve this. And now I think we're sort of 40 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:58.079 in a bit of a limbo over the next few 41 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:58.680 weeks till we. 42 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.480 Come back in the the fall. 43 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:03.959 Have you seen any further statement from Governor de Wyne's 44 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.879 office about his reasons for getting rid of the all 45 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.120 three of those property tax proposals again because they had 46 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.039 been what I understand is thoroughly discussed and thoroughly studied 47 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.400 in advance, and out he comes striking those provisions and saying, 48 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.280 when you to look at him further, it just doesn't 49 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.240 seem to make sense or add up. Donovan. 50 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.080 Yeah, No, I mean the you know, the committee, the 51 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.680 select working group of eleven members has been named. They're 52 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.759 going to meet for the first time tomorrow afternoon at 53 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.039 two o'clock, and they've got a charge to come up 54 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:40.319 with a list of working solutions, workable solutions by September thirtieth, 55 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:43.680 you know. But the thing is, I think what it 56 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.240 ultimately is is because this working group has made up 57 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.919 of these folks, the thirty nine hundred political subdivisions across the. 58 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:51.599 State of Ohio. 59 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.520 The schools, the libraries, the cities, the townships, the villages, 60 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:59.719 the counties don't want to have to make tough decisions 61 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.000 with their funding, with their spending. They don't want to 62 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.840 have to go back to the voters when they need 63 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:06.800 money and make the case for why they need money 64 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.159 and how they're spending it. And so they ask the 65 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.759 governor to veto these things, he vetoed them on their behalf, 66 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.960 and now they have an opportunity, you know, to kill 67 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.360 more time without any relief insight for homeowners. 68 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.560 And so they didn't want to do their own damn job, 69 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.960 A miss I think so. 70 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:29.240 I honestly, looking back at testimony, looking at comments that 71 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.000 they've made, and the composition of this work of this 72 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:34.800 governor's working group, I think they just don't want to 73 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.280 have to actually do their job. They're afraid they have 74 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.360 to go back to the voters. They are sitting on 75 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.159 large cash balances because they keep taking money from the 76 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.639 taxpayer without providing any relief or having any mechanism of accountability. 77 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:54.439 And their solution, their solution is to shift that tax burden. 78 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.840 By expanding the homestead exemption. 79 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.319 Is the solution that the Democrats and many of the 80 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.840 local government officials have put forward. We're just we want 81 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:05.840 to take it out of the state General Revenue Fund 82 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.360 and we want to use that to provide relief. It's 83 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.560 masking the problem, it's not solving the spikes that occur, 84 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.159 and it's squeezing the middle class working families here in 85 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.720 the state of Ohio when we could actually deliver some 86 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.480 real solutions that smooth the problem out, begin to address 87 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.879 the issue in the long run, and give people some 88 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:25.199 immediate relief. 89 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.160 Well, I suppose what of this working group that Governor 90 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.560 de Wint's putting together. I mean, isn't it certainly plausible 91 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:34.680 that they come up with the same answers and same 92 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.040 suggestions as the working group that led to these three 93 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.759 provisions being in the budget in the first place. In 94 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:42.920 other words, the securitest route to back to where we 95 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:43.480 were before. 96 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.639 Given So if I laughed, because that's what I actually 97 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.399 pointed that out to a reporter I was speaking with 98 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:53.920 yesterday on this issue. I said, look, you know, this 99 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.079 is an issue that has been discussed and debated and 100 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.040 evaluated for the last two and hos half years. Right, 101 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.879 we have to select working group of legislators folks who 102 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.720 can actually do something on it. Right, compared to this 103 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.240 working grip that can just issue recommendations. They identified twenty 104 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.680 one recommendations, an eight hundred page report, hundreds of hours 105 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.199 of public testimony from everybody around the state who has 106 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.600 an opinion on it. We've shown a light like every 107 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:22.079 corner of this issue has been identified, every possible solution 108 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.639 I think has really been vetted and identified. Now, maybe 109 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.959 these folks have something that hasn't been brought to the table. 110 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.519 But many of these folks, Brian, have been in the 111 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.199 ways and means committee rooms testifying or providing opinions on this, 112 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:38.079 and most of their opinions, Brian, have been they don't 113 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.519 like the ideas that the legislature is saying they need 114 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:42.759 to do that would actually solve the. 115 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.439 Problem, well, not liking them, and coming up with an 116 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.319 alternative that accomplishes what we are looking for, which is 117 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.519 some sort of property tax relief. I mean, I mean, 118 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:54.800 it's one thing to say I reject that because here's 119 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.160 the reasons why that won't work out. But here's a 120 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.600 better idea. We're missing that sort of ladder component in 121 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:02.319 this discussion. 122 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.360 Well they have there. So their better idea is the 123 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.920 state should pay for this the state. We should shift 124 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.480 the money that the state collects and income and sales 125 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.959 tax and gross receipts tax, and the state should cover 126 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.199 that for the school districts who keep raising their taxes. 127 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:21.680 All right. 128 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.079 That the devil on that one is in the details. 129 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.879 When the money goes out of Columbus out into the world, though, 130 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.800 isn't it. 131 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.360 It is, well, and again, it's just shifting that burden. Right, 132 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.560 We're not actually addressing the spending problem. We're not actually 133 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.079 addressing the unvoted tax increased problem that these local governments 134 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.079 are able to impose upon their citizens without a vote 135 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.639 of the people. We're just saying, hey, we're going to 136 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.279 actually take Columbus's money and we're gonna we're gonna redistribute 137 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.399 it out to inefficient governments around the state of Ohio. 138 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:53.279 That's lunoicrous. 139 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.680 We you know, I shouldn't be paying for poor decision 140 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.519 making in Cincinnati, right, I agree. If the Democrats and 141 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.160 the Blues of Cincinnati and Hamilton County aren't able to 142 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.000 get it done, why should me here in Richland. 143 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.639 County have to pay for that? Oh? 144 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:10.480 That's and that's what this That's what their proposal essentially 145 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.240 is is we're gonna shift that burden. We're gonna have 146 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.759 the state carryer water, and we'll just keep going along 147 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:16.839 until the next crisis. 148 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:17.240 Pops. 149 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.360 Should solve the crisis now and solve it for the 150 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.439 next fifty to one hundred years. 151 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.279 All right, Well, I know America's prosperity always has action plans, 152 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.279 and plans. 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On twenty eight 206 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.919 at Smith Chuck Ingram on fifty five KRC the talk station. 207 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.559 If you have KCD talk station right, Thomas was don 208 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.480 on and of for Americans were prosperity talking about the 209 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.440 veto override singular two of them did not get over 210 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.559 ridden related to the property taxes and the budget bill. 211 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.240 Were the votes even close on the two that didn't 212 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.799 get over ridden? Donovan, Well, so it's a bit of 213 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.200 a procedural thing. They didn't even bring those two of vote. 214 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.879 They tabled them because if they had brought them for 215 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.279 a vote and they failed, they would not be able 216 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.320 to go at it again. So you only kind of 217 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.120 get one bite out of veto override Apple. So there's 218 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.840 they're working still to come back. They'll be They always 219 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.120 come back for session days in September October, I think 220 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.720 that's when they planned to bring those up and address them. 221 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:50.159 There you had members who were out of town, members 222 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.360 who chose not to come back into town, and I 223 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.000 think just still some more discussion with members about what 224 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:59.039 we're trying to do here in the state of Ohio 225 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.399 to resolve this property tax crisis. 226 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.919 All right now, as for this working group that Dwine's 227 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:10.519 putting together, that presumably will result in some legislative changes, 228 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.200 I mean, this was all in the budget bills they 229 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.679 had to pass that like any legislation. So if they 230 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.399 come up with some different proposals or even the same ones, 231 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.919 that's going to have to be incorporated into legislation that'll 232 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.600 have to be voted on in the normal process right well, And. 233 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.919 Unlike the General Assembly, they don't they don't have the 234 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.840 ability so this working group can can make recommendations till 235 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.720 they're blue in the face. Ultimately, it takes the legislature 236 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:34.919 introducing that as legislation. So you're right, it would have 237 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:37.519 to go through that whole process, multiple hearings, which is fine, 238 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.960 you can move those things along fairly fast. But the 239 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.159 reality is that working group won't have you know, isn't 240 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.799 charged to bring recommendations back until September thirtieth. 241 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.919 Okay, so we're not done with veto override votes that 242 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.039 you've established. We know that they can come back, and 243 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.120 they just chose three property ones to go for this time, 244 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:02.159 only one got voted on five. Doesn't this present a 245 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.519 problem if there's a movement out there to have what 246 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.120 a constitutional amendment here in the state of Ohio circulating 247 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.320 petitions to get this on the ballot that will let 248 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.279 us vote whether to eradicate them across the board, this 249 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:18.200 might fuel that effort. This delay and this working group 250 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.039 and this idea of going through the legislative process with 251 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:25.799 whatever future fixes they come up with. I mean, that's 252 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:27.480 still a woman in the background, though, isn't it thought 253 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:27.639 of it? 254 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:29.000 Oh? 255 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:29.720 Absolutely? 256 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:31.639 And I mean you're talking to the guy in the 257 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.600 organization right, that's working every day to eliminate Ohio's income tax. 258 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:37.720 So yeah, you'll find you don't going to find me 259 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.080 defending keeping. 260 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.159 Taxes on the books, especially taxes that can kick people 261 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:44.720 out of their homes if they're failed to be if 262 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.559 they fail to pay them, right, which is what happens 263 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:48.559 if you fail to pay your property taxes even after 264 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.080 paying off your mortgage. And their ballot initiative is there. 265 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.320 It's a very it's very simple language. It's not like 266 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.120 what was that one from last year that was all 267 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.440 the last couple of years that's been all convoluted. It's 268 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.200 four lines, Brian, It's four lines that says in a 269 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.639 constitution property tax essentially you can't put a property tax 270 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:08.240 on any homeowner property owner in the. 271 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:08.799 State of Ohio. 272 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.440 And so it's not a complicated ballot initiative. It's a 273 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.039 very simple message. And those folks are doing great work. 274 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:15.799 They're chugging along, they're getting signatures. 275 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.360 We've you know, we we've seen many of them at 276 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.559 the events that will do and I think you know, 277 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.879 if you're a local, if you're a political subdivision, right, 278 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.639 who's trying to wait up the clock and just slow 279 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:28.960 walk a process. 280 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:30.879 Or reform that is long overdue. 281 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.559 This is the sort of damocles hanging over the head, 282 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.879 and it's the nuclear option that I think a lot 283 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.320 of citizens here in the state of Ohio are eager 284 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.720 to push the red button on. 285 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.519 If you will well, and I mean, I guess one's 286 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.120 left with the perplexing question, the complex question of what 287 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.240 reaction will there be if that actually passes. I mean, 288 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.120 they're going to have a huge load of work on 289 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.000 their plates and Columbus trying to figure out how they're 290 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.320 going to cover the missing now missing property taxes since 291 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.600 so much of how you know, various entities are funded 292 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.519 are predicated on property taxes, and these levies, I mean, 293 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.919 you're going have to start from scratch with the taxation system. 294 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.279 Yeah, yeah, because you know most I think, what is it, 295 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:13.600 twenty eight billion dollars. 296 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.279 I believe I might be off a little bit there, 297 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.720 but is what is collected I believe in property taxes 298 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.519 across the state of Ohio. Between income and sales tax 299 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:23.440 here in the state of Ohio, I think that that 300 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.120 number comes in at about twenty three twenty four billion 301 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.000 and some change and so, and these property taxes don't 302 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:31.200 ever go through Columbus. 303 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.000 Right, That's something important here. None of this money is 304 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:35.480 actually managed by Columbus. 305 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.559 It is all levied and authorized by the local political 306 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.360 subdivisions across the state of Ohio. And so when you 307 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.480 end that, you're ending I mean fifty to at least 308 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:47.879 fifty or more percent of. 309 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:49.720 Funding to local public schools. 310 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.000 You're ending significant amount of money that go to your 311 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.080 townships where most ohiglands live, to pay for police and 312 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:59.960 fire services. Our roads will be fine because Governor Dwinjai 313 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.759 up our gas taxes in his first tournament office. 314 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.159 But you know the other kinds. 315 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.000 Of services that you that most people have come to 316 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.320 expect and depend on, those are in jeopardy. And I 317 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:14.360 think this game of chicken that's being played by political subdivisions, 318 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:18.240 where we could provide people with some relief is ultimately 319 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.240 could result in just an outright elimination of it. And 320 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:25.200 what we do, because again, we won't just stop having 321 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.000 police and fire in schools, right, Brian, because those are 322 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.559 things most people to civilized society count on. We're just 323 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.600 going to put that burden on somebody else. That tax 324 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.639 shifts somewhere else. I think the real solution is Sorry. 325 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.720 The real solution I think here is we have too 326 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.799 gang much government here in the state of Ohio. We 327 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.879 really needed to start to contract, consolidate, and that would begin, 328 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.879 I think, to solve many, many, many of the problems, 329 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:53.039 not just on the property tax issue, but the problems 330 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:54.919 that put our state in the bottom half of the 331 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.320 rankings across the country. 332 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.159 Yeah. I just them to think the confounding mess that 333 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.600 would have to come about as after the elimination of 334 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.120 party tacks, because your local political subdivision is the one 335 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.440 that lives at the local schools and parks and everybody 336 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.200 are then going to have to go to Columbus and 337 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.639 lobby the elected officials there for their slice of whatever 338 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.639 allocation is coming out of Columbus under whatever formula they 339 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.879 come up with, maybe the raise sales tax to cover 340 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.399 the missing twenty eight billion dollars we're talking about. I 341 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.840 don't know, but they're gonna have to justify themselves to 342 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.919 people in Columbus, as opposed to justifying themselves the local 343 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.120 community members in the form of lobbying for or against 344 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.559 a levee. You think local control would better manage the 345 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.039 finances and people in the community would say no, no, no, 346 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.120 you've got too much money school district. We're not going 347 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.279 to renew your levee or or you know, vote for 348 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.879 this emergency levee or whatever. But I just I just 349 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.639 can't imagine how complicated it would be if the money 350 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.240 just resides in Columbus then has to be doled out. 351 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.200 Well, and that's the ironic thing here, rights those and 352 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.159 you think the folks in Columbus, the legislators in Columbus, 353 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.360 are going to want to do any favors for the 354 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.639 very people who been lobbying against the dozens of solutions they've. 355 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.079 Been putting forward. 356 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.079 This is the thing, right, this is this is where 357 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.839 being you know, looking at this every day, both working 358 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.640 when in the grassroots or at events around the state 359 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.920 with our team at AFP, and being at the State 360 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.359 House and seeing the lobbyists and legislators engaging on this issue. 361 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:23.119 The solutions here, the solutions have been presented. The legislatures 362 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.359 put forward some very common sense ones that both provide 363 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:30.519 immediate relief and resolve the spikes and triggers that cause 364 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.160 crises like we've been experiencing for the last few years. 365 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.400 The problem is the local government lobbyists and it's this 366 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.319 township trustees, the school board officials, the superintendents, the teachers' 367 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.559 unions and the rest of them have been lobbying against 368 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.480 any common sense solution for the last two and a 369 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:47.240 half years. 370 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.920 And maybe they're going to get every. 371 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.319 Little bit they deserve if the property taxes elimined out 372 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.319 right in the state of Ohio. 373 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.319 Certainly is possible. Donovan and Neil, Americans for prosperity. Any 374 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.759 call to action for my listeners you typically do, I 375 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:01.839 mean maybe that one small step kind of thing. 376 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.359 Well, yeah, I always go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com. 377 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.559 Buckeye blueprint dot com. You see and get plugged in, 378 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:09.480 check out all. We don't just work on this issue. 379 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.359 We work on a lot of different issues. Learn our message, 380 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:14.240 learn our mission, and if you want to get involved 381 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.279 in it, sign up and we'll reach out and bring 382 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.240 into the fold. 383 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.319 I can't encourage my listeners enough to do just that. 384 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.880 Donald van Neil, thanks for all the work that you 385 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.359 and AFP do throughout the week and the year, and 386 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.720 I'll look forward to another discussion with. 387 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:26.359 You next week. 388 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.880 Always appreciate you sharing your megaphone. Take care of my brother. 389 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:31.640 It's seven to fifty right now if you have care 390 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:33.799 seeing detalk station after the top of the hour news 391 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.759 ort to hear from Michael Sturbiche or Marcel Sturbage running 392 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:39.240 for a House Secretary of State. 393 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:39.759 Be in studio. 394 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:41.680 Can't wait for that. I hope you can stick around 395 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.000 in the meantime, I strong encouragement recommendation for you to 396 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.599 do something that won't obligate you to do anything, will 397 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.960 not cost you a dollar, but could put yourself in 398 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.160 a much better place in terms of your medical coverage. 399 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.599 It's always a good time to call Cover Sincy. 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