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Speaker 1: And now Audio Theater Central.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This is the show

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that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, JD. Sutter, and this is episode two

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zero five. This is a bonus episode because next episode

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is going to be jam packed with some great reviews

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and the Jake Muller Adventures is back in production, and

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so I wanted to get this conversation out to you

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as soon as possible so you can check out this

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show if you haven't heard of it before, and if

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you did hear Unidentified the first installment, then you've got

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some stuff to be excited for and look forward to.

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So we're going to be talking with the two main

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guys behind the Jake Muller Adventures audio drama series in

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this bonus episode. But before we do that, I do

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have a few audio drama updates to share with you, know,

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So here's what I'm thinking segment or feedback segment this

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time around. But we'll get to that stuff in the

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next episode. All right, Well, let's jump into these updates.

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Speaker 3: We interr up this program to bring you a special report.

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Speaker 4: And in other news tonight.

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Speaker 5: A brief look at the headlines now.

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Speaker 3: They want exciting, fast piece news that's relevant and entertaining

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like this.

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Speaker 2: First up, quick reminder, if you have any updates regarding

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any shows that you are involved with, whether you're an actor, producer, writer,

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whatever your role, however you are involved, we want to

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share your information with this community, so let us know

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about it. Click the button in our sidebar on our

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homepage at audiotheatercentral dot com, or go directly to PFM

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dot link slash ATC news and let us know. But

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first off, I want to let you know that another

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reason I wanted to get this episode out now now

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is because World Audio Drama Day is coming up on

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October thirtieth, that is Wednesday, October thirtieth, and to celebrate,

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we're going to have an ATC community hangout. So I

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haven't decided one hundred percent yet, but I'm pretty sure.

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We're going to do it in Riverside, which is a

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platform that we use to produce this show a lot

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of times, and we're just going to hang out. It's

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going to be an informal thing just to get to

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know you a little bit more and talk with other

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ATC community members. Just hang out, listen to maybe a

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micro audio drama or two, talk about some of our

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favorite releases of the year so far, what we're looking

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forward to, that kind of stuff. Just hang out for

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an hour or so. Again, that will be on October

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thirtieth World Audio Drama Day at six pm Pacific, So

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watch our site or join our email list the ATC

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Insiders to get a link. We will send that out

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very soon, so we would love to have you join

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and just talk about great family friendly audio drama for

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a little while. Also on our website, we've just published

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the Ultimate List of Family Friendly Musical audio Dramas, and

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it's a great list. If you enjoy musicals, maybe there's

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someone there that you haven't heard of, or if you

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go through it and you see some that we're missing,

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be sure to let us know about it. So you

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can find that at audiotheatercentral dot com slash musicals. It's

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also in the navigation bar on our website there's a

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tab that says themed audio Dramas. There's all kinds of

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cool stuff in there. Besides this new one, this new

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list of musicals, We've got Westerns, Christmas themed, Easter, themed history,

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so there's all kinds of cool stuff, and for this

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particular time of the year, there is a list of

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some spooky or creepy stories that you might enjoy in

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the autumn time. Well, this next item is a very

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special one to me, and that is because I just

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released my latest micro audio drama. It's called The Broken Hearted,

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and it is free to stream at my website jdsutter

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dot me and you can find it at jdsutter dot

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me slash broken Hearted. And I would love it if

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you would go check this out and leave a comment

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there on that post. And in that post, I go

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into the behind the scenes of the creation of this

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micro audio drama, the inspiration for the script, and some

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other little tidbits that I like to share, so be

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talent that you've heard of from lots of projects, some

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of the biggest shows in this space. Bethany Baldwin, you've

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heard on Greenhorn Tales, Timetruck Chronicles, Heritage Ardeban and The

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Quest for the King. I mean, she's just been all

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lamplightder Theater, Jonathan Park, John Tuttle, IID, you've heard him

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drama Alliance. Craig Hart from LRT Media. I mean, he's

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the Daffodils, so it was great to work with him again.

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a micro audio drama. It won't take very much of

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your time, and I think it has a message that

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Jdsutter dot me slash broken Hearted. All Right, this next

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one is really really exciting. It is a brand new

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trailer for a brand new show from in Victim Digital.

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This is called Morona Grant and the Lost Tomb of Golgotha.

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This is a brand new series and the pilot episode

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is coming on Thanksgiving Day this year, November twenty eighth,

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all this content that is not on the main show.

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But anyway, let's go ahead and roll this trailer for

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Speaker 3: As I was saying, you're going to pay. It's just

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another day in the life of nineteen thirties adventurists.

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Speaker 2: Marona Grant tell me, Grant golf tones is Shoby is

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Speaker 3: It's not a tomb. O'Keefe tunes are where they keep

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the dead people. When presented with the opportunity for adventure

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and more importantly, cash, Marona takes up the offer to

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follow a coded map to hunt down Judases Scariot's thirty

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pieces of silver.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not exactly enough.

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Speaker 3: It's more of a tapping the only caveat is grown

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babysitting the expedition's financier, an elderly thrill seeking woman with

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Speaker 4: Oh, you're just how I pictured you would be.

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Speaker 3: Sweat stains and all. An adaptation of the thrilling adventure

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novel by Arthur Brino Williamson. This in Victim digital audio

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drama production will immerse you in the action as our

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ragtag team faces hales of bullets, ancient puzzles, and booby

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traps swinging blades.

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Speaker 4: Really, it's like all these places have the same.

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Speaker 3: Architect But these terrors are the least of their worries.

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Speaker 3: You're deluded if you think this ends here. With lush

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Speaker 6: The act it God Thanks join us for the pilot

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coming Thanksgiving Day November twenty eighth to your favorite podcast app.

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Speaker 3: Visit in Victimdigital dot com.

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Speaker 4: To learn more.

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amazing show gripping story and it sounds fantastic, so keep

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trailer for Jake Muller Adventures Blood. The subject of this interview. Well,

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Speaker 7: In the interview, Hello, mister Muller, Oh you, How did

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Speaker 1: You remember me?

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Speaker 3: That's odd.

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Speaker 7: I don't forget a mug like yours, Klautu.

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Speaker 4: How do you know i'd show up here again? Because

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you need assis? Doctor Pete, Honey, what do you have?

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Multiple stab wounds? Someone dumped him on the sidewalk, labored breathing.

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He's lost a lot of blood.

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Speaker 5: Open absolutely, okay, Chula, cut his shirt away, get a

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Speaker 4: I'll get the line in, Maggie.

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Speaker 5: Get two units of O NAG on the rapid infuser,

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Speaker 3: Don't look like knife and call the O R.

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Speaker 6: Tell them to get ready.

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Speaker 4: They look like do they look like those are fixed

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Speaker 3: They look like bites.

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Speaker 4: So this room was the last place and you saw

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Speaker 3: This is where we worked on him.

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Speaker 4: But he bled too much and you couldn't save.

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Speaker 3: Him pretty much. He was covered in bites, yeah, he said,

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Speaker 4: Except for the enlarged canine teeth. Whoa, who are you Relax?

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Speaker 5: Count Schock, you like, get your hands off me.

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Speaker 4: You are in no danger. You've been chosen, I said,

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doesn't sound good. I can't help what you don't understand. Well, okay,

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tell me about it. My coven explores and shares pranic energy. Coven.

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Speaker 1: Are you like witches?

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Speaker 4: Then we're vampires. You guys are so lame. I uh,

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Speaker 8: Sever's a flagling, hasn't been put of our house for

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Speaker 4: Well, he told us that you had him following a

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woman for him.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean?

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Speaker 8: I couldn't get any read on her at all. She

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Speaker 4: What do you need a psychic read on her?

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Speaker 8: For anyway, it's what I do. I'm a cy vamp

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sy vamp. I feed on psychic energy.

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Speaker 4: Psychic energy.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there is a little teaser for Jake

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Adventures Blood. Now let's move into the conversation with the

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Speaker 5: I have some very important information, and I thought i'd

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can I speak to a moment?

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Speaker 4: Oh well, there's nothing to it.

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Speaker 3: I just ask you the questions and you answered them

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Speaker 4: Here play the interview.

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Muller Adventures, and you have heard that we around here

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are big fans of the Jake Muller Adventures. So it

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is with great pleasure that I am welcoming to Audio

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Theater Central Darby Kern, the writer and director and Mike Atouchet,

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producer and sound designer of the upcoming new episodes productions.

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Whatever what are we calling these things new New Adventures

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with Jake Muller.

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Speaker 1: What We've really not settled on anything for a long

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time what we call them, but I've been saying albums lately. Okay,

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it works, Mike, Is that okay with you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've called them albums, we've called them collections of episodes,

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we've called them seasons. But I don't know this, Yeah,

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I don't know that. Probably shows is one that we

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used the most. Maybe, but yeah, because season this year

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we may have two. So is there two per season?

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Is there one per season? We didn't have any for

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several seasons.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just give JD the first exclusive. Now we're

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going to call them albums from here and out.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that works for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okay, Well, so Unidentified came out in

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twenty nineteen, which we reviewed on ATC one four, So

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if you're new around here, go back and check that

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out and uh, get your copy of that. I mean,

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it's fantastic. But we've just been so excited about this

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show because it's it's filling a different niche in this space,

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a family friendly for the older listeners, which was a

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big gap in the space for a long time. I Mean,

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there were few things here and there, but nothing that

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was really targeting an older demographic with some really great

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content that you know, was action packed and kept their attention,

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and so this is one of the first ones that

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really did that with Unidentified. And so I'm just so

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excited that we have some new stuff from Jake Muller coming.

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So Darby, can you briefly share some of the circumstances

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that allowed you guys to head back into the studio

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to record some new Jake Muller.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we had the script for Blood, the second

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album really was. It was ready to go when we

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recorded Unidentified, with just a few changes since then, but

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it was, you know, I hate to be crass about it,

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but it was basically that we didn't sell enough. We

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didn't make enough money to produce the next show at

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the level that we wanted to do it. We didn't

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want to do a show that was not going to

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sound as good as Unidentified, and we were both really

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happy with Unidentified, and we certainly were not going to

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lower the bar. We only wanted to raise it higher

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for ourselves and for the people listening. So we had

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to wait and we sold as much as we could.

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We went to different conventions to sell more and tried

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some marketing ideas to promote it, and you helped me

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with some things with the website and just other ideas

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that you know, really didn't pan out, and it was

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a difficult time for me. I think it was for

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Micah too, but I don't want to speak for him.

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But it got to a point where years had passed

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and we had a great show that not enough people

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had heard and hadn't made a big enough stir, and

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I think we just kind of put a pin in

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it and we had to say, Okay, this is this

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is not what the Lord is leading us to right now,

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which is interesting because based on that show, both Micah

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and I got other work to do, and that part

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of it worked out okay for us. But we again

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I don't want to speak for you, Micah, but we

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it was, Okay, it's it's probably not going to happen anymore.

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I got to make peace with that, and I did,

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and I was content to live my life again with

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the possibility of not doing any more Jake Muller Adventures,

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which was a hard pill to swallow, mainly because one

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we did a good show too. I made some great

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friends Micah included, and several of the actors, and it

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was just such a good time. You know. It's like

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it's like having a great experience and thinking, Okay, we're

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going to be able to do this again and again

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and again, and you never get too and so getting

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to that point was really a difficult thing for me.

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But it was in August of twenty twenty three when

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we were having a problem with the website and didn't

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even know it actually, and Mike ha sent me an

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email he said, hey, somebody ordered a CD last week,

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and we prided ourselves and getting them out quickly, you know,

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within a couple of days. And this had been a

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week and I hadn't even received a notification for it yet.

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So I went downstairs, packaged it up, printed a label,

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got it all set to go, and I put it

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on my kitchen counter to go out with me to

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the mailbox or to the post office, and then I

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forgot it there for several days actually, so it was

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almost that might have been actually a little over two

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weeks since this gentleman ordered it and I hadn't sent

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it up. I felt really bad, so I got it

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already again, put it in my car, but then I thought,

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I need I need a touch base with him and

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apologize for this taking so long. So I just sent

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him an email said I'm really sorry, just you know,

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we had a problem with the website. I'm not trying

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to make an excuse, but you know, i'm sorry. It's

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going out today. And he responded to me pretty quickly.

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He said, that's okay. One of the things that I

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thought was great. He said, that's okay. I already own it,

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he said, I bought my copy on audible, but I

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wanted to get it for a friend. So I thought, oh, well,

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this is good. We're expanding one more person. So we

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talked a little. We just chatted through emails for a

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little bit, and then he asked me, you know, I

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was just wondering, I really really like the show. Are

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you going to be doing any more of them? And

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you know, it's one of those times where you have

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to be careful what you say because you don't want

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to say, well, you know, we're broke, or you know whatever.

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You don't want to give too much information. But I

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just said, you know, the fact of the matter is

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we just didn't raise enough money selling these to be

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able to produce more. And so he asked me a

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couple more questions, you know, how much is something like

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this cost? And you know what about some of the

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financial information? And I think it was probably at that

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point I started contacting you Micah, like, oh man, this

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guy's asking these questions and you know how much? How

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much should I even say?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 1: You know? What do I want to do? You know?

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And it was funny because maybe a year and a

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half before this, Micah and I had talked and sort

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of tried to figure out a way to do just

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a really cheap, I guess way of producing these these

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next two shows that we sort of had planned out,

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and it was a model that we didn't get paid

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at all, Neither of us would get paid for doing

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the work. And we didn't love that idea, but you know,

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we kind of wanted to get it out. So I

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told his name is David. I told David that, and

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you know, kind of talked about what other other companies

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are spending based on what little I know from the

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puel that I'd worked with, and just kind of gave

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him an idea. And at one point he said, he said, well,

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maybe there's something I could do to help with the financing.

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I thought, oh, he knows people with money. Great, that

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always works out, right. So I kind of gently tried

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to talk him out of this, and he persisted. He

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was very persistent, and he was so polite too. He's

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a very nice gentleman. And finally he said that he

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was interested in possibly financing the show. And I again

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told him, well, you know, you have to be willing

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to lose all your money that you're putting into it.

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And after a while he said, well, you're not going

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to scare me off that way. And I remember it

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was Labor Day weekend of twenty twenty three on Friday,

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before I went to work, we just trading emails and

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I answered some questions and I think we're probably texting

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at this point actually, and he said, well, let me

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take the weekend and pray about this, which, by the way,

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is the best thing that I could have heard at

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that point. If somebody was going to be involved, I

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wanted them to be a praying person, a person who

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would really bring this before the Lord and be led

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by him. And so I said, okay, okay, you do that.

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And I remember Monday morning, I work at a bank.

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The bank was closed the course, because it was labor day.

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I was laying in bed, I let myself sleep in,

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so it was right around eight o'clock and I saw

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my telephone light up, and I thought, who is bothering

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me this early on a holiday Monday. And I looked

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at it and it had his name on it, and

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I remember kind of turning to my wife. I said,

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I think I'm in trouble. And I pushed the button

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and opened up the text, and he said, I've been

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praying about this all weekend and I want to do this.

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I really wanted to do that. And as we chatted

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that day, and I think I before I responded to David,

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I texted Micah and said, this guy's serious. You know,

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we we better really keep praying about this. And when

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I got back to David, I again I tried to

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talk him out of it. You know, you're gonna you're

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gonna lose all your money if you do this. I

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don't want that to happen to you. And eventually he

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just said, look, you're trying to scare me off, and

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you're not gonna And so we started having the conversation

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and before I knew it, we had studio space rented

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at Gap Digital. Todd Busteed was hired to, you know,

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help engineer. I was on the phone with everybody saying, hey,

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you guys, you're not gonna believe this, but we're doing

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it again. We're doing it again. And David insisted, insisted

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that everybody not only got paid for it, but got

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paid an appropriate rate for it, and he allowed us

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to bring in actors and actresses really from around the

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country and ultimately around the world, and everything just fell

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into place. And there was a point, I know, I

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said to Micah, I said to my wife, I said,

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this is the Lord working because there's nothing I did

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that justifies this and this level and everything going so smoothly,

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and JD that was the case from that point on

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all the way through the production, the recording sessions, and

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from what I'm hearing, from what Mike has sent me

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so far and what I've heard of the show, it

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sounds great. It's it's so much better than we could

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possibly have imagined. And there is not I was going

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to say there hasn't been a moment of hardship, but

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I was doing the scheduling and I'm not good at it,

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So there were quite a few times I was beating

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my head on the desk and I eventually ended up

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turning it over to my daughter and she got everything

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scheduled and she was my production assistant. But we had

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such a fun time. Everything went so smoothly. We got

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everything done on time, and we recorded two shows. We

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recorded Blood and we recorded Undead. And the next step

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is for everybody listening this to order it and listen

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to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic, And it seems like there were not

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only was there the financial situation that you guys were

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having to navigate, but it seemed like other things were

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working against the project too because Dugan Shirbondi, who is

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your lead character, Jake Muller, had a terrible, terrible accident

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with his daughter, and I mean it was just terrible,

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and you you thought at some point you might end

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up having to recast your lead character. You didn't know

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if he's going to be able to come back to

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the show, and thankfully he was able to do that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man was different after another. Yeah, he sacrificed

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a bit to be there. And in fact, one night

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we were the one night that he went out with us,

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we were at Geno's East and down town Wheaton and

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he had his phone out for a second and he

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showed me a picture of his daughter, who he had

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He spent the weekend at home. He lives a little

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bit further north, and just before he left, he took

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this picture of her and she gave him a smile,

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which she's her smiles are a big deal, you know,

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the response of nature there. And he showed me his

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picture and he said, this is what I had to

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leave to be here. And I felt it. I kind

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of feel it now too, but you know, it was

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it was a sacrifice for him to do it, but

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he was willing to and he had I think he

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had fun. I think he had fun, and he's amazing.

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He's just there's there's nobody else that I ever want

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to be. Jake Muller. We had an actor in mind

477
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,319
who could pick it up if they had to, but

478
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,079
we didn't have to do that. The Lord provided for

479
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,519
duging in for us so.

480
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,759
Speaker 2: Well. Talking about funny in the studio, Micha, why don't

481
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:17,720
you jump in? Tell us tell us some of the

482
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,799
fun A couple of fun anecdotes from the sessions. You

483
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,000
guys spent what was it a week there at Gap Digital?

484
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was closer to two weeks. I think, yeah,

485
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,960
I think we were there two weeks something like that.

486
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,880
Over two weeks, yeah, a little over two weeks. Then, Yeah,

487
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,680
there were there's some a lot of fun moments. I mean,

488
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,279
all the actors are just you know, fantastic talent and

489
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240
uh and just fun to be around. And one of

490
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,839
the things that happened this is I wouldn't say this

491
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,200
is fun or funny, but just kind of showing the

492
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,920
providence that that we Darby and I and the entire

493
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,559
you know, cast kind of felt during the sessions was

494
00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,519
we had an actress lined up to play a pretty

495
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,920
pivotal important role in one of the shows and she's

496
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,599
really really good, just fantastic actress, and we met her

497
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,960
and just loved her work and wanted to put her

498
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,079
in the show. So about we were out eating supper,

499
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,119
probably nine thirty or so, and Darby gets text Yeah

500
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,319
on Saturday night and she had an accident at work

501
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,440
and I had a concussion. Wasn't going to be able

502
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,839
to play the role that we had for so that

503
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,680
time I messaged someone I've worked with on some abide

504
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,920
projects that actually lived in New Zealand and kind of

505
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,759
let her into the situation, and she messaged me back

506
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,240
right away and she said, we won't believe this, but

507
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,680
I'm actually headed to the airport. I'm flying to Vio

508
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,359
Atlanta for the conference there and staying with a voiceover

509
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,039
friend and I can use their studio. And she she

510
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,920
she was on board, you know, within thirty minutes, probably

511
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,759
had it recast and and she just blew blew it

512
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,519
out the water, the role. She was fantastic in it,

513
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,079
and Darby Nowery a little bit because this is kind

514
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,680
of an important character in the show and it had

515
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,839
to be played well in it, you know, so just

516
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,359
just that that thing was pretty awesome, just the way

517
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,119
it worked out. She was able to source connect in

518
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:34,200
from her studio and yeah, it really will.

519
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 1: And to season that a little bit. We were in

520
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,839
the studio listening to her through the speakers as she

521
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,200
was sending it in. She was acting against Dugan in

522
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,839
like Mike I said, a pivotal, pivotal moment in the show.

523
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,720
And I just kind of looked around the control room.

524
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,839
Was there anybody who didn't have tears in their eyes?

525
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,359
It was I was just is almost sobbing. It was

526
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,559
so good, and the original actress would have been amazing.

527
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,519
It's been amazing, absolutely, but this was this was an

528
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,519
example of every thing that could have gone wrong led

529
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:14,319
to something better.

530
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: Mhm. And I remember when I first read this script,

531
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,279
just kind of talking about the role a little bit

532
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,119
several years ago when Darby wrote Blood. I remember reading

533
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:24,920
the script and you know, you kind of see all

534
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,359
the moments that that make the story what it is.

535
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,880
There was a line, just one line that kind of

536
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,240
maybe sums up the entire script, and it's it's it's

537
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,519
delivered by this character. Uh and to me, it just

538
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,160
it is such a key, key line. I was like,

539
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,079
it has to be perfect because all the story sort

540
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,960
of hinges on this moment. And uh so reading I

541
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
remember the first time I read it, I remember hearing

542
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,200
her when she actually delivered it, and then you know,

543
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,680
cutting it together during the voice at it and the

544
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880
sound design. It's it's like every time I hear the line,

545
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,559
it hits me the same way every time.

546
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,599
Speaker 1: It's like it it it.

547
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: Maybe one of Darby's best lines ever.

548
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: That's line too.

549
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,799
Speaker 5: It's simple, but it but it really really puts everything

550
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,640
about the story into into Yeah.

551
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: It does sort of a nutshell. JD. You're very familiar

552
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,799
with Unidentified. I know that, but there's a very different

553
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:26,240
flavor with blood and uh, it's a it's a darker

554
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,039
story too. I mean, we didn't shy away from that,

555
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,160
but I didn't realize when I wrote it and when

556
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,720
I reread it that when these actors put themselves into it,

557
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:46,039
that it was going to be emotionally gripping. I mean,

558
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,880
that's I don't typically think that way when I write,

559
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
because I'm more action oriented in a lot of ways,

560
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,559
or humor oriented. But this amazing ensemble, most of whom

561
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:02,279
you know, there's going to blow you away with different

562
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,400
just different type performances, not exactly what you're used to.

563
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it seems like I know you said the

564
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
story is darker. It for sure is. It's it is

565
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,759
a very different it's more of a psychological story than

566
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,519
Unidentified was. But with that darkness, it feels like there's

567
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:26,160
even more light that shines through this story than probably

568
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,440
the original. It's it's a different type of stories. So

569
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,759
it's yeah, it's less action driven. And surprisingly, there are

570
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,960
no guns in this story. There are other than a

571
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,759
flashback scene.

572
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but there's a lot The gospel isn't

573
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:44,880
it in a way that people will need to respond

574
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,079
for themselves and just say, Okay, I believe this or

575
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:55,240
I don't believe this, and it's my lines, which they

576
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,680
are what they are. I'm never impressed by myself, but

577
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,680
when these guys took over the characters, they made it amazing.

578
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,839
And I can only take a little bit of credit

579
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,480
for that because I got to cast him so well.

580
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,039
Speaker 2: I do want to touch a little bit more on

581
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,079
what is covered in these these two upcoming shows, but

582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,200
before we do that, you mentioned the ensemble cast, So

583
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,880
let's toss out a few names that the listener is

584
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,400
going to know. We know, we know Dugan is returning

585
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,880
as Jake, is Sky's coming back.

586
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,559
Speaker 1: Is Arianna Sky's back? Yeah? Oh man. When you hear

587
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,720
her performance in this one, it's yeah, because nothing's going

588
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:35,359
to go the way you think it is, and she's

589
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,440
got some real she's got some real, heavy duty heavy

590
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,160
lifting in it.

591
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,119
Speaker 5: So and we have a couple names that I know

592
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,119
everybody recognized. Oh yeah, I f you're familiar with Jake

593
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,759
Muller or family friend audio drama in general, Jonathan Cook

594
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,440
and Carol O'Brien. Yes, they did some heavy lifting, uh

595
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,319
in fact, Jonathan Cook, he was the way the schedule worked.

596
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,519
He was there toward the beginning of the sessions, and

597
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,359
he played opposite for some actors that weren't in the

598
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,640
booth at the time. So I kind of made a

599
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,599
joke that said, we need to do like a recut

600
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,759
of Blood where Jonathan plays all the characters because he

601
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,519
read for nearly all the characters.

602
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kara Micah mentioned covers between the two shows.

603
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:31,880
She covers a good assortment of characters and is wonderful.

604
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,599
And it's funny too because and you can hear this

605
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720
in the trailer that we put out too, when Micah

606
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440
got the voice tracks edited. There's a scene towards the

607
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,839
beginning where Kara is in conversation with Kara and if

608
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,880
I hadn't told that, I don't. I don't know that

609
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,960
most people would even notice because she's she's just so

610
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,359
good and the characters are so different, but yeah, she's

611
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,839
she's wonderful. Jake Phillips. Phillips came up from Mississippi, Uh

612
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,359
brought great stuff to the characters.

613
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's playing yeah with Christian Gil and Yeah and

614
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,639
Uh Duke and Shamani the kind of the three Musketeers. Yeah,

615
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,559
yea of noble Security.

616
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And I'm just just terrific. I mean,

617
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,760
everybody was so good. You know. We got some of

618
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,400
the guys who came in and and just recorded for

619
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,800
a day and Unidentified it came back. David Shui was

620
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
one who I just like his voice and he's just

621
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,199
a fun guy to be around. He played one of

622
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,400
the men in Black and Unidentified, and he's playing a

623
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,559
couple of characters in this one. Jonathan Burke again is back.

624
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 5: Charles. Ah, that's right, that's right.

625
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: He is in every episode or every bit of Unidentified

626
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,480
and so many different characters, and we use him quite

627
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,880
a bit in this one. Andy Harvey, Oh my goodness.

628
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,559
When you hear Andy Harvey in these two episodes are

629
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,480
these two albums, I should say he does quite a

630
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:15,239
few of the voices, but he plays some main characters

631
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,880
too in each of them that you're not gonna be like, oh,

632
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,360
there's Andy Harvey and that's Andy Harvey. He's just these

633
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,559
guys are so good. John Fornoff, we got Don Fornoff

634
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,960
into the studio with us to play a character that

635
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,519
I got to write kind of rewrite for him once

636
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,199
once I cast him, and you know, now he's living

637
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,119
in Georgia, and I thought he's not going to want

638
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,000
to come up to Chicago for a handful of lines.

639
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,159
And when I talked to him about it, he right

640
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,079
away he's like, yeah, absolutely, I want to be there

641
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,320
in the studio. So you know, John came up the

642
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,519
gap and we just had a great time. He stayed

643
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,320
for a couple of days and it just added so

644
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,280
much great value to the show. Just fantastic performances. But

645
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,239
you know, Mike have backed me up on this that

646
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,159
the fun was just being with these people.

647
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

648
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: Do we have any cameos from our director and producer?

649
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,559
Speaker 5: So in Blood, I don't think Darby makes an appearance

650
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,599
other than in the Walla Sessions. You will hear him

651
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:24,280
a lot in the Walla Sessions. He plays vampire one, two, three, four,

652
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:24,679
and five.

653
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:34,039
Speaker 1: How appropriate our producer did did?

654
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 5: I played a small character in Blood? What was his name?

655
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,239
It was the cop, Chicago cop. He's not named in

656
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,639
the show, but he had a name of the script.

657
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:48,400
I think Ben Wall Yeah, I think we opposite Lieutenant Burkele, Yeah,

658
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,960
who was played.

659
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,119
Speaker 1: By Jeremy Anderson. Yeah, who's another.

660
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, identified we may have mentioned him, yeah, yeah

661
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:57,639
as well.

662
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't mention him before, and I should have

663
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,400
because he's he's terrific and he was in the watch

664
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,159
with us as well.

665
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 5: And also Phil Waller returned as Pastor Brian Omack.

666
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Yep, oh good good.

667
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh, playing opposite him.

668
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we we We're not going to out the

669
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,840
actor right now, but you know, she's got a very

670
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,280
distinctive voice, which we've been hearing for many, many years,

671
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,880
but she doesn't sound like we're used to hearing her.

672
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,199
She gives us some different flavor. So I'm really there's

673
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,639
other Easter eggs in there to that.

674
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 5: Randy Strew Jonathan Yeah, we.

675
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Forget these guys.

676
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he is actually in Blood too, is the Aura.

677
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Papa yep.

678
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he returns as Agent be Yeah.

679
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,079
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Bullock.

680
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: Jonathan Bullock fantastic, so good, he's he's fantastic.

681
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,039
Speaker 1: Josh Murray, Josh Murray is.

682
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 5: Just so good, it's so good. Plays the main villain.

683
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna nail your heart to the wall.

684
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 5: Goodness.

685
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,039
Speaker 2: And a lot of these names the listeners are gonna

686
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,119
be familiar with from like projects like Jonathan Park or

687
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:16,960
The Adventum. A lot of these people have worked on

688
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:21,119
those projects too, and so yeah, this is a This

689
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,840
is a huge cast, a lot of a lot of talent.

690
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,480
I can't imagine how much fun you guys had. Now,

691
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,159
you guys have both alluded to this being a little

692
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,760
bit darker. You've talked about zombies, and we know that

693
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,559
unidentified dealt with the idea of UFOs from a biblical

694
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,280
Christian perspective. So what are we tackling with blood and

695
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,119
with undead.

696
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the idea of vampires. It's a little

697
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:49,599
bit different because unlike UFOs, which you know, people see

698
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,400
unidentified flying objects every day, there's fifty reported sightings every day.

699
00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:01,599
Vampires you don't have fifty sightings every because, you know,

700
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,079
to just spoil a little bit, there's no such thing

701
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:13,159
as vampires. But there is an active vampire subculture, and

702
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,800
I know there's in Chicago, Mike I said New Orleans.

703
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 5: I was a little surprised myself how big this was.

704
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,119
As I did research for some design and stuff, I

705
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,440
was like, wow, this is I know Darby had to

706
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,039
research it previously when he wrote the script, but yeah,

707
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:28,199
it's quite a big thing.

708
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out there, and it is I'm gonna say

709
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,360
it's demonic. A lot of it is. I mean some people,

710
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,280
you know, you think they're just out there role playing,

711
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,239
but then there's some people who are really into something

712
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,480
that is much deeper and darker, and that's We have

713
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,239
both kinds of those people in the show, and one

714
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:57,320
of them, Josh Murray's character, is absolutely demon possessed, manipulated

715
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:04,639
by demons. And there is scene fifty two, which we've

716
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,960
all wrestled with with this show, and Micah more than

717
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,079
any of us probably, but it is it is going

718
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:15,800
to be a powerful, powerful scene and really going to

719
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,639
show that, you know, display the power of God. I

720
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,519
don't want to say in a realistic way because I've

721
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,119
never been in a situation where this type of thing happened.

722
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,920
I've never witnessed it. But there is the name of

723
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Jesus is going to carry a lot of weight in

724
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,519
this and there's gonna be a lot of surprises in

725
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:35,199
that scene.

726
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,199
Speaker 8: Wow.

727
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,679
Speaker 1: And a lot of seeds for future episodes too, by

728
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,880
the way, So nice nice albums albums, thank you. Sorry.

729
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:50,880
So that's Blood. What about undid Undead? Is we after Blood?

730
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,719
We want to do something. The idea right away when

731
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,199
Mike and I started talking about it was to do

732
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,119
it a little bit, a little bit lighter, a little

733
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,320
more fun. But then as he and I talked about it,

734
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,719
and Michael was a co writer on this, absolutely co writer,

735
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,360
we went a little darker than we planned.

736
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was supposed to be a little bit

737
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,320
of a palette cleanser after blood, you know, kind of

738
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,719
keep it from being too monotone, too dark, too dreadful.

739
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,039
It does have some dark moments, but it's a lot

740
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,519
more action driven. It's much more action driven.

741
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it takes place in Louisiana, so we had

742
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,039
to hire the same dialect coach that we got for

743
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,440
Unidentified to work on several actors in this one. Yeah.

744
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:45,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually hired six seven I think native So

745
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,960
it happens in Louisiana, but it happens in a specific

746
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,760
region of Louisiana which is known as Cajun Country, which

747
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,280
is more of a south part of Louisiana, and the

748
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,400
accent there is distinctly different than just Southern accent in general.

749
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,679
So we hired natives to that were from that area

750
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,519
to do the The majority of the Cajun lines, so

751
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,920
and you know, the sound design two has been for

752
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,719
that region has been recorded on location as well.

753
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's gonna be fun.

754
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: Specific like the ambiences and stuff.

755
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to compare this series to Indiana Jones,

756
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:26,840
but there's kind of an element of that where the

757
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,119
first one is fun and action driven and and all

758
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,159
that second one is darker, and then the third one

759
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,400
is is lighter than the last one, but you know,

760
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,119
also action driven, serious at times, and deals with some

761
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:46,280
serious topics. Again, you know, we're talking about zombies. There's

762
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:53,079
no such thing as zombies, but there are there are

763
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,639
things that may make somebody appear like a zombie. And

764
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,639
it's funny because when we were doing this, Mike ha

765
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,199
sent sent us to me. I'd seen it already, but

766
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,320
he sent it to me where you know, there's a

767
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,159
drug that people are using, I think it was in

768
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:11,519
Philadelphia where they just kind of start acting like zombies there.

769
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,880
Whatever this drug does to them, it just takes away

770
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,719
all their I don't know. There's spars, yeah, yeah, yeah,

771
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,360
and there's kind of wander around. Well, there's there's a

772
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,719
kind of a deeper story here about some some people

773
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,400
who have been subjected to experiments and uh, and how

774
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,440
all that comes out. There's a purpose for it that

775
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,039
is definitely coming into the next well two of the

776
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:44,519
next three stories after this, And yeah, we have a

777
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,039
lot of that sort of in our heads already, but

778
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:52,320
there's there's something going on and it's just a fun

779
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,440
it's it's a fun story. It's the kind of story

780
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,960
I don't want to listen to. And trust me, I'm

781
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,639
the last person that's going to watch an episode of

782
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:04,039
The Walk Dead. You know, any of the old zombie

783
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,840
movies that were so popular in the eighties As I

784
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,760
was coming of age, I couldn't care less about any

785
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,000
of those. But this is a story that's really fun

786
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,519
that kind of talks about zombies and you know what,

787
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,840
with blood we talk about what does you know, what

788
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,960
does blood and what does blood sacrifice mean to a Christian?

789
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:22,719
Why why do we need to be aware of this

790
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,440
kind of thing? And then in undead what does death

791
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,360
mean to a Christian? You know what does what does

792
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,840
the Bible say about death? And what does it lead to?

793
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,199
And and you know what kind of deaths are there?

794
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,760
You know, we have a physical death, there's a spiritual

795
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,360
death too. That's every bit is real and it's it's eternal,

796
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,280
So start thinking about it because you know it's going

797
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,239
to happen when you know, eventually one of those is

798
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,119
going to happen to you.

799
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: So why did you feel like it was so important

800
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,000
to tackle these sorts of issues through this medium of

801
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:55,719
audio drama?

802
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: My thought was always what are the things that kids

803
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,400
are into? Not just kids, but like the older kids.

804
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,519
And I was I was a big X Files fan, so,

805
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,760
you know, the first one, before I really even planned

806
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,920
a series of anything, I was kind of working out

807
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,519
a story about you know, what what should a Christian

808
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,559
think about UFOs? You know, it's it's out there. What

809
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,039
should we think about it? And it's popular in you know,

810
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,679
pop culture, so what should we be thinking about it?

811
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,599
Speaker 2: Just look at Roswell, New Mexico. They've made an industry

812
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:30,000
out of that.

813
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,639
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah yeah, and not just not just there,

814
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,360
there are plenty of other places. But yeah, you're right,

815
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,280
you're right. And then when when I wrote Blood, it

816
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,440
may have been more in your face then, but you know,

817
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,320
like Twilight was a big deal, A bunch of vampire

818
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,960
shows on on HBO and some other pay channels, but

819
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,960
vampires were kind of a thing, and it got me thinking, Okay, what,

820
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,800
you know, what should a Christian think about vampires? Should

821
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,159
we you know, do we do we look in to

822
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,880
this uh sub genre of literature or entertainment, and if

823
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,440
we do, what should we come away with it? You know?

824
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,440
And that that brought the idea to me of blood

825
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,400
and what should a Christian? What does a Christian think

826
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,519
about blood sacrifice? What does it mean to us? And

827
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:19,679
then after we were you know, blood Blood was already written,

828
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,599
but Mike and I started talking about the next one,

829
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,880
and I think this actually helped rope him into the series.

830
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:30,320
Actually was the idea of undead you know, zombies in

831
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Louisiana in his neighborhood, and you know, and and that was,

832
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,639
like I said, it was. It was in pop culture

833
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,599
at the time in a big way, and it's still

834
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:44,199
around walking dead and other stuff. But you know, what

835
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,679
do you think about it? What does it mean? So

836
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,519
so it just gave us opportunities to talk about that,

837
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,920
and we don't we don't you know, beat anyone over

838
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,599
the head with with the message. But it's there if

839
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,639
if you want to hear, there's going to be an

840
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:58,400
answer there for you.

841
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I appreciate, ain't that because it's again, we're

842
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,000
going after a different demographic than Adventures Nadyssey or something

843
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,559
like that. For so long, the majority of content in

844
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,360
the family friendly audio drama space was aimed at that

845
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,639
same demographic or younger, and so I think it's perfectly

846
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:22,400
appropriate and expected to address these different issues that these

847
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,840
other shows can't really tackle. It's not in their their scope,

848
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,400
their realm.

849
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,519
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, right, And I know Darby and I are

850
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:35,719
both huge fans of the Father Gilbert series from Paul McCusker,

851
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,239
and you know, love the show and love the way

852
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,679
they tackle some some of the similar issues, not trying

853
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,159
to just bring it down Okay, this is what it

854
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,519
is and this is what you should believe about it,

855
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:52,440
but kind of presenting some information and giving you some

856
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,679
relevant biblical viewpoints on it so you can kind of

857
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,360
you can come to the conclusion without them having to say, Okay,

858
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,159
this is point A, this is point B you should

859
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,280
arrive at see. And that's kind of I guess in

860
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,039
some ways way Jake Muller approaches that, you know, to

861
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,440
kind of more or less start the conversation and not

862
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,880
necessarily tied up in a bow and say, you know,

863
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,840
here it is for you.

864
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always You know, it's funny because I'm at

865
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,360
our church. We're studying revelation right now and I'm listening

866
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,559
to a book about revelation as well. And one of

867
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:30,400
the things that you really need to to remember as

868
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,320
you're reading prophetic books, the apocalyptic Christian books, biblical books,

869
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,840
is that we don't have all the information. God doesn't

870
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,679
tell us everything. And that's okay, you know, he doesn't

871
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,679
tell us something that we don't need to know. To

872
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,760
circle back a little bit, it's funny because you know,

873
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:52,280
you mentioned that the other shows aren't interested in covering

874
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,119
these things. I talked to somebody years ago about possibly

875
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,360
picking up the Jake Muller Adventures, somebody, somebody big in

876
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,280
the space, somebody we know. And the last time that

877
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,440
we talked, he said, you know, I just I'm not

878
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:14,480
sure how I can sell vampires and zombies to my audience,

879
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:18,320
to the people who are buying my other material. And

880
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,119
I said, you don't you create a new audience or

881
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,079
a broader audience. And maybe that was just me mouth

882
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,639
and off, but I think that's true, and it certainly

883
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,480
didn't move anything forward as far as you know him

884
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,159
picking up the Jake Muller Adventures and right now, I'm

885
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:41,320
really happy about that. But it is different from the

886
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,599
other shows, intentionally different. And it also you know, has

887
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,840
has more of a focus on on action. We you know,

888
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,840
with with MICA's sound design so good, it's it's more

889
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,760
of a cinematic adventure in a lot of ways, and

890
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,599
that's that's what we wanted to do. We really wanted

891
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:06,159
to just kind of be obnoxious and blow the doors

892
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:11,199
off Christian audio drama or any audio drama. Yeah.

893
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we haven't even mentioned yet that Jared Deepes

894
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,840
squal is coming back to score these again. So he

895
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,280
did a fantastic job with Unidentified, So I expect nothing

896
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,079
less than amazing on these. But if you want to

897
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,440
touch on that, we we can circle back to that.

898
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,599
But I want to turn a little bit of a

899
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,679
corner here, Micah, because you know you're doing all the

900
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,360
graphics and things like that for this series as well,

901
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,840
and as a graphic designer web developer, what are some

902
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,440
key elements of good cover art design in your opinion,

903
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,440
because this is something that I've talked about here on

904
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,480
the show. Before, and I know that we're making audio drama, right,

905
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:56,920
but the packaging that it comes in has a huge

906
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,920
influence on whether somebody's going to pick it up or

907
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,280
whether they're even going to take a glance. So what

908
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:04,000
are your thoughts on good cover art?

909
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, so kind of understanding what the story is about

910
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,360
and the genre it that it represents, and simplicity of design.

911
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,360
So when I say simplicity, I don't mean necessarily that

912
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,639
there's not a lot of elements, but that they work

913
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,599
in such a way that the overall idea and the

914
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,760
concept remains simple. So it can be a lot of

915
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,039
moving parts, it can be telling a lot of it

916
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:32,719
can be saying a lot of things, but it says

917
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,559
it in a very unified, cohesive way. Some ways to

918
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,000
kind of express that technically would be like a minimal

919
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,920
amount of fonts, so not like five different fonts for

920
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:49,039
the design, like everything being a different font. That's the

921
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,159
way that you kind of keep a cohesive message. You know,

922
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:56,800
you may use different weights, you may have two complimenting fonts,

923
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,320
but you know, sometimes they'll see designs that one parts

924
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,599
in script and others in a serif and this one's

925
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:05,199
in a slab and this one's in some wispy font

926
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,199
that can't be read at all at any size, making

927
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,880
sure that you know it's it's readable because you know,

928
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,920
on a mobile devices and stuff, the title is in

929
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,719
some super curly script defont and it's in your library.

930
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,559
You it's probably gonna just like a blob. So something

931
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:29,000
that's kind of you know, and that will work with

932
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:31,360
the title too. You know, lung titles can be a

933
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,079
little bit tougher.

934
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:37,119
Speaker 1: We haven't had any of those yet, but yeah, So.

935
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 5: This is in sound design and writing acting. A lot

936
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,880
of times less is more. Don't try to do more

937
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,079
than your skill level. So if you can do everything

938
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,840
that up to your skill level, do it well. You're

939
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,000
better off than doing something you really aren't capable maybe yet.

940
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,119
And and that that's for I'm like with music, So

941
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,519
I'm a musician as well, and I know when I

942
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,360
was young, I was always trying to do more than

943
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,199
I really had in my arsenal. So I would overplay,

944
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,480
I would didn't understand dynamics very well, you know when

945
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:17,239
to pull back, when to play a little more. And

946
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,679
I was talking to a musician a couple of days ago,

947
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,760
and we were saying how you know, young guitar players

948
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,880
tend to do that. They you know, first verse, they've

949
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,119
already showed every lick they have and so by the

950
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,920
time you get to the second song, that's the third bridge,

951
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:34,440
there's nothing left in their repertoire. So, you know, hold

952
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,400
a little bit something back, and that could go for acting,

953
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,400
the sound design, whatever. Don't push it to a level

954
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,679
that you haven't really mastered or even grasped. Maybe you

955
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,400
know it's you need to push yourself to do better,

956
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,719
But that shouldn't be the stuff you're showing. That's stuff

957
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,960
you keep on your refrigerator maybe, like for example, like singing,

958
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,159
maybe maybe try out some new stuff in the shower

959
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,440
before you get a microphone in.

960
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: Front of people, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: But the same thing with the design. You can't go

962
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,599
wrong by keeping it simple. If you do something simple

963
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:10,039
well Darby and I've talked about this with writing. I

964
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,440
prefer stories that have a simple concept and are well executed.

965
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:19,639
Then a high concept, fancy, super cool idea that's poorly produced.

966
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,199
It's it's never going to be as good as something

967
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,800
that was just expertly produced, even though it may be

968
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:28,039
a simple at home in Midford story you.

969
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: Know, m Yeah, well, kind of building on that again,

970
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,119
because of your graphic design background, you understand visual aesthetics

971
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:41,519
and you know witch colors, shades or imagery or fonts

972
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,039
compliment each other. So how has that skill and sensibility

973
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,840
affected your creativity when working with an audio palette as

974
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,599
a sound designer or even as a voice actor. Has

975
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,880
has any of those skills crossed over for you?

976
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:59,159
Speaker 5: For sure? Yeah? So I've noticed as I've grown as

977
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,760
a musician and and the different things that I do, uh,

978
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:07,639
that the less is more. There's a a sound designer

979
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:10,920
that works in Hollywood full time and I kind of

980
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,320
I follow a lot of his stuff to kind of

981
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,360
he's a he's a really good teacher. And one thing

982
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,840
he says and I was like he had the the

983
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,440
issue where he felt like he always had the latest

984
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,960
and greatest plug ins and you know, he spent lots

985
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,119
of he caught it, I think the plug and Dragon

986
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,800
or whatever, and then you realized he was spending so

987
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,679
much time learning these plug ins and realizing that they

988
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,920
weren't really making his work better. So he essentially doesn't

989
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,400
use anything that's not stock. He has a couple of

990
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,000
plugins that he uses that aren't available at stock, but

991
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:46,239
like his eqes and compressors and reverbs just super simple.

992
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,199
He's like, these tools work and they're simple, and if

993
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,159
I know them, I can do better work than someone

994
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,519
who has nicer tools but don't even really know how

995
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:58,400
to use them, because there's there's so much if you

996
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,239
know your tool then and there's not a barrier between

997
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,920
the creativity and the technical as much as there is

998
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,000
when you have a tool that maybe have more bells

999
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,159
and whistles more. There's sliders for everything, there's perimeters for everything,

1000
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,239
but you don't know what you know eighty percent of

1001
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,800
them do, and so you aren't able to get the

1002
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,760
result that that is in your mind onto the paper

1003
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,679
or onto the speaker or the screen because there's that

1004
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,679
Barrier's kind of like a language barrier. It'd be sort

1005
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,159
of like trying to, I guess, tell a story to

1006
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,639
someone that you barely know the language to and then

1007
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,559
someone you know the language really well. If you're trying

1008
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,679
to tell this really detailed story in a language you

1009
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:44,239
don't really know that well, it's not going to translate

1010
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,880
as well if you just keep it simple. And I'm

1011
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,440
not sure if that's I'm not sure if I'm quite

1012
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,039
expressing like like he has said, you know, just knowing

1013
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,320
your tools allows the technology to be a lot more seamless.

1014
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,320
So yeah, with sound design, this show is by far

1015
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,320
much much better than Unidentified in probably every measure as

1016
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,800
far as from a sound design perspective. You know, I

1017
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,960
feel like it's a lot more layered, a lot more textured,

1018
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:21,960
but yet there's probably being a it's less of an

1019
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,480
action driven show. There's not going to be like a

1020
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:26,960
lot of you know, there's no spaceship stacking off and

1021
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:31,760
all these elaborate sort of scenes, but the emotion is

1022
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,960
a lot higher. The quality of the sound design that

1023
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,400
you know works with the dialogue has a lot more

1024
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,639
emotion to it. So you know, the folio and the

1025
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:41,840
sound design is going to be more of a cohesive

1026
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,800
unit where it's just story. It's not like, oh that's

1027
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,400
a cool sound design. Oh that's great folio, Oh this

1028
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,760
is you know whatever. I feel like the show has

1029
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,400
has been sound designed in a way that really supports

1030
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,840
the story, the dialogue, the words that there Arby has written,

1031
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:03,000
and it's more of a unit where it's it's not

1032
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:07,519
going to be maybe as much as you notice these

1033
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,079
super cool moments where in a way kind of pulls

1034
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:12,960
you out of the story because it's so cool or

1035
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,239
so unusual. So I think that probably, I know, my

1036
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,360
sound design has matured in a way. I don't try

1037
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,519
to do things that don't really support the story at

1038
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:27,159
one time. You know, it's like, oh, I have a this,

1039
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,039
this is a super cool sound effect. Where can I

1040
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,840
put it? This is a super cool revert preset? How

1041
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,880
can what? Where can I put it in? What scene

1042
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,199
can I put it in? It's less about that and

1043
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,920
just you know, more about what tip best tells the story.

1044
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,400
One thing Darby and I have talked about, like I know,

1045
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,719
when we first you know, did Unidentified, there was a

1046
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:49,039
lot of conversations about how it should sound, how it

1047
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:53,079
should feel, and we use references like the other audio

1048
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:57,719
dramas or movies. And Darby is always talking about a hyperrealism.

1049
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,360
That was kind of his word. And then you know,

1050
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,039
so that kind of is where we are to some

1051
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:04,840
degree with Jack Muller. But I guess a word that

1052
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,000
I like better for sound design is believability. So for example,

1053
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,079
like if you're in space, there's no sound, so it's

1054
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:16,119
not realistic, it's not hyper realistics. It's none of those.

1055
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,239
It's not in any way realistic. And for the most part,

1056
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880
sound design is never realistic, just like dialogue is not realistic.

1057
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,760
And we don't hear background, we don't hear Jared's great

1058
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,159
music as we walk around in our everyday life. So

1059
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:33,320
there's none of this is really realistic. But to me,

1060
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,280
the keyword is believability. Is you know, the folly may

1061
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,400
not be really, but is it believable? Does it tell

1062
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,599
the story? You know, this car door probably doesn't sound

1063
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:45,400
realistic because it's made up of a couple of other

1064
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,000
components that aren't even related to cars, But does it

1065
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,000
tell the story? Is it believable for that story? And

1066
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:56,719
so that's kind of how I approach the sound design process.

1067
00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:59,760
Does it tell the story in a believable way?

1068
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,119
Speaker 1: Well, and that's I agree with you one hundred percent

1069
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,440
on that, And that's I think. I don't know about you,

1070
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,760
but I got that from Todd Busteed. You know, that's

1071
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,760
his baseline for that is believability. Does it support the story?

1072
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,079
If want, I just to clarify when I say something

1073
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:20,039
hyper realistic, what I mean is it's not real life

1074
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,920
exactly because for most of us. Real life is really

1075
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,400
a tedious grind of boredom from you know, one minute

1076
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,039
to the next. That does not make good drama. So

1077
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,559
even from a writing stage, coming up with an idea

1078
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:39,400
that is it's it's got to be realistic. It's got

1079
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,159
to have at least one foot and a couple of

1080
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,159
toes in the real world. But everything, as Mike is saying,

1081
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:49,840
everything needs to support it. And that's that's why I

1082
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,920
think he's one of the best people out there to

1083
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,920
be working with and absolutely the guy I want to

1084
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,400
be doing this with because he knows you don't need

1085
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,559
every foot step on the floor. He knows that you know,

1086
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,920
like you said, less is more. But I don't get

1087
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,320
pulled out of any scene because I think, oh, this

1088
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,360
needed that or it didn't need that. I think his

1089
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,079
balance is perfect.

1090
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:18,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're using the sounds to it may not be

1091
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,880
an exact replication of what you would experience in real life,

1092
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,119
but it's just conveying the idea for the listener to

1093
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,400
help them picture what's happening in the scene. That's all

1094
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,920
you really need to do, right for sure?

1095
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, for example, sometimes I use door

1096
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,679
closing some effects, So sometimes they're just utilitarian, you know,

1097
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,199
they're just door closing in the background. But most of

1098
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:46,239
the time, you know, the scriptwriter will have a specific

1099
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,679
reason for there being a door. You know, is how

1100
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,800
the door's closed, how loud is it to the point

1101
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,599
of view? Is there anger behind the door? Is there

1102
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,760
stealth behind the door? Is there something creepy on the

1103
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,880
other side where we need extra creaks in the door?

1104
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,280
You know, what is this the door saying? Because sometimes

1105
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,880
you know, it's not super important to the story, but

1106
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,639
most of the time it is part of the story.

1107
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:11,199
So it's kind of a character in itself. And it's

1108
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:13,800
easy just to go to you know, free sound out

1109
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,800
organ type and door opening and just you know, find

1110
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,719
one that doesn't have hiss and and sometimes that works.

1111
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,239
But most of the time the door is kind of

1112
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,880
is setting you up for the next line. What is

1113
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,119
what is the next line? What is the intent behind

1114
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,400
the door? You know, how is it being opened? And

1115
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,679
so that all changes the speed and the amount of

1116
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,920
creaks in the door, the weight of the handle. There's

1117
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,440
there's a lot of things that you think about when

1118
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,920
you're thinking, how does this door opening or closing move

1119
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:43,840
the story forward?

1120
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,199
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of doors opening and closing in Blood,

1121
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,519
there's a lot there is, But you know, we've been

1122
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:56,360
talking about Blood, but Undead really is gonna is going

1123
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,639
to have a really broad pet of sound design, which

1124
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:06,880
I haven't heard what Micah's got lined ups yet, but

1125
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,480
I know I'm gonna like it. I know it's going

1126
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,159
to be great, so I'm really looking forward to it.

1127
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,639
Speaker 2: Well, well, speaking of that, here we are mid October,

1128
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,239
can you give us a progress report? Where are we

1129
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:25,719
with Blood and with Undead and when can we expect

1130
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:28,480
to hear these and what are we looking for here?

1131
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 5: I believe probably have the airing of this podcast, that

1132
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,320
Blood will probably be ready for download at Jakemuller dot com.

1133
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,000
So the plan is, once it's ready for release, we'll

1134
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:46,480
have an exclusive distribution from Jake Mullardventures dot com and

1135
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,880
you'll be able to download the story from there. Then

1136
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,360
probably about thirty days later, we'll have it on all

1137
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,360
I think maybe thirty five thirty seven different distribution channels,

1138
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,400
including Audible, Spotify, Bornsannoble dot com. There are some others

1139
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,639
that I'm not thinking of right now, but pretty much

1140
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:05,760
anywhere you can find audio books, you'll be able to

1141
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,360
download Jake Muller Adventures Blood.

1142
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,159
Speaker 2: All right, man, that's something to be excited about. So

1143
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,199
as you're listening to this, head over to Jake Mullerdventures

1144
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:17,960
dot com. If it's not available right now, it will

1145
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,159
be very shortly. If it's not available at the moment,

1146
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,159
go ahead and hit the pre order and you can

1147
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:25,119
get it and be one of the first to get

1148
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,559
your copy. And then we have Undead coming, which will

1149
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,960
be early twenty five. Is that what we're looking at.

1150
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,559
Speaker 5: We're still hoping for the end of this year, but

1151
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,840
we'll see. If it's not available this year, should be

1152
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,920
very early next year. And yeah, so we'll probably have

1153
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,960
a trailer for that maybe a month or so hopefully.

1154
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:47,679
And they can also find us on all the social

1155
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:53,280
media platforms Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and x formulally known as Twitter.

1156
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:58,159
Speaker 2: Man, oh man, I am so excited about these shows.

1157
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: That's not all.

1158
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,519
Speaker 2: You've already got the couple of them planned out or

1159
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,039
I don't know how far you are in the scripting.

1160
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,519
But Derby tell us a little bit. It give us

1161
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,519
a little teaser about Engineered and Shroud.

1162
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:12,559
Speaker 1: All right. Engineered is a story that we decided to

1163
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,519
drop in earlier this year. I just Shroud is something

1164
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:22,679
that's been stewing for many, many years, and it's a

1165
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:24,840
big story. It's a story that's going to answer a

1166
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,199
lot of questions and it might even bring up a

1167
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:31,360
few more, but don't worry about that. But I wanted

1168
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,800
to kind of build up to Shroud a little bit better.

1169
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,719
And there's an element of things that are going on

1170
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,400
in society right now that I thought really needed to

1171
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,480
be addressed in a big way. And I'm so thankful

1172
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,239
that the Lord put that on my heart because it's

1173
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,199
happening more and more and more now. And Engineered is

1174
01:05:55,159 --> 01:06:02,599
about how we are manipulated as a society. We're manipulated

1175
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:07,599
and our thoughts are engineered by really a small group

1176
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:12,079
of people. And you know in the Jake Muller Adventures

1177
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,440
that there's a we just referred to them as a

1178
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,960
cabal of people who are they have a plan. You're

1179
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,639
going to find out more about that in the next

1180
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,960
few episodes, next few albums, sorry, and you're going to

1181
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,639
see where all that's, you know, building up to. And

1182
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,840
those people in that story are the ones who are

1183
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,320
engineering our thoughts for society. In the world of Jake Muller,

1184
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,719
it wouldn't surprise me of something very similar as happening

1185
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:46,559
in the real world here. But I think about how

1186
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,960
we are manipulated to buy certain products. We're emotionally manipulated

1187
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,639
by movies and songs and the.

1188
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,159
Speaker 5: News, social media influencers.

1189
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, all these things are out there. And you know what,

1190
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:05,960
I say this a lot. The world hates us, the

1191
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,079
world hates Christians, and the world hates our children. But

1192
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,199
they are targeting them to put the thoughts in their head,

1193
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:18,960
to engineer their thinking. And that's what this story is

1194
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,920
about in a broad sense. There's there's a narrower focus

1195
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,199
within it that I don't want to talk too much

1196
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:29,400
about right now. I am about the stories are are

1197
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,039
worked out for both of them. The script for Engineered

1198
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,199
is about half done, and Mike is going to have

1199
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:40,239
a hard time believing this because we both loved Undead,

1200
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:43,960
but this is this is my favorite. Right now he's

1201
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,639
read the pages. I hope he I hope he feels

1202
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:49,480
the same. But it's got action, it's got a lot

1203
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:52,679
of humor. You know, we were talking about the cast before.

1204
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:57,039
I have Dugan Scherbandi, Christian Gill and Jake Phillips playing

1205
01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:02,840
the employees of Noble Security, Jake's business, and and Engineered.

1206
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,400
So far, i've been able to write for those three

1207
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,519
together when I wrote Undead, and there's a lot of

1208
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:12,760
the three of them and Undead, I didn't know that

1209
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,920
Jake was gonna be playing Kevin O'Hare at that time,

1210
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,800
but you know, we cast someone great like him, and

1211
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,600
and then the three of them together is just a

1212
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,079
great dynamic. So I am. I'm going all in on

1213
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,399
these three guys in this story, and I think you're

1214
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,159
gonna love it. And I'm adding another character that so far,

1215
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,800
I love what he's gonna bring. His name's Avi, and

1216
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:37,399
that'll give you a little bit of a clue about him.

1217
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,039
But he's gonna he's gonna add so much, and he's

1218
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:43,000
gonna he's gonna be in Shroud as well. So to me,

1219
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:46,000
so far, it's it's the perfect Jake Muller story and

1220
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,079
it's up to me to mess it up to ruin

1221
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:50,199
that and I'm not gonna do it, and Michael won't

1222
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,119
let me, and that's the best part. But I'm writing

1223
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:55,840
this stuff and I'm just thinking, oh, this is gonna

1224
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,880
be awesome to be in a studio with these guys,

1225
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,720
and you know, I don't I don't think we've really

1226
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,039
put this out there anywhere. We have a studio date

1227
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:09,560
set for March second and that week, so obviously I

1228
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,399
needed to get a lot of writing done. But we're

1229
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:17,159
all in on this. We're full speed ahead, and we're

1230
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,359
determined to make it the absolute best we can. Micah

1231
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,560
right now is probably up over his head and a

1232
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,079
Jake Muller sense. Jake Muller is always in over his head.

1233
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:28,880
But Mike has got so much work to do on

1234
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,479
these first two, but he's also helping steer me through

1235
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,119
these next two. And we're going to have some great

1236
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:41,520
storytelling and just fair warning, they might go over the

1237
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,520
twenty four minute, fifty five second episode length, so and

1238
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,039
we're okay with that because we're not writing for the radio.

1239
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,359
You know, no radio station is going to pick up

1240
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:55,239
this show. We're writing for the fans, and this is

1241
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:57,520
going to sound a little bit weird, JD. There are

1242
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,439
times that I'm writing and I just think JD is

1243
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,079
gonna like this, So I'm writing for you some of

1244
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:05,680
the time too. I love that.

1245
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: That's a very high compliment.

1246
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,119
Speaker 1: Well, you've earned it. You're the superman. We love that.

1247
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,399
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, i am. I'm so excited to hear these

1248
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,920
and so a shroud, I'm I'm assuming we're going to

1249
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,439
be touching on sacred relics or something along those lines.

1250
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: Well, there, there's there's a certain sacred relic which is

1251
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,720
which plays a part in this. Micah stopped me before

1252
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,119
I say too much, because there's there's there's.

1253
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,039
Speaker 2: More than hold on, let me mute Michael real quick.

1254
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,399
Speaker 1: It is it's it's like the ultimate Jake Mullerstone.

1255
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 5: So shroud means more than one thing in this story.

1256
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it does. There's multiple meanings for that, but

1257
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:49,279
it's also you know, there's there's questions and things people

1258
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:51,560
have been saying, Oh wait a minute, what did that mean?

1259
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,880
And unidentified Where are they going with that? Well, this

1260
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,760
one is going to show where a lot of things

1261
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,079
are going. There's there's things that are going to tie up,

1262
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,520
but there's also plenty that is still ahead for Jake

1263
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,319
Muller after that and surprises. Oh, we've got surprises. And

1264
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,760
Jake is still learning, he's still growing, he still makes

1265
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:23,680
mistakes both in his faith and his relationship and relationships

1266
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,560
I should say, but you're going to see you'll be

1267
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,600
able to as you go through. And this is a

1268
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,119
big part of what I wanted to do with the

1269
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,840
show is I want to chart his growth as a

1270
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:38,399
person as essentially a new believer, because he probably would

1271
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,960
tell you that he wasn't a believer before, but you know,

1272
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:46,560
his crisis of faith that he faced in Unidentified and

1273
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:51,439
much more in Blood have really pushed him very very

1274
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:56,880
far into depending on God and like fully investing in

1275
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,760
his relationship with Christ. And that's all going to be

1276
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,319
building up. And he's, like everybody, he's gonna he's gonna

1277
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:07,800
make mistakes. I still make plenty of mistakes. I'd say

1278
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,359
dumb stuff and and uh say hurtful things to people.

1279
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:16,600
I haven't made my daughters cry lately, but it happens sometimes.

1280
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,000
But Jake is going to struggle with the same same

1281
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:22,560
things that we all do. So and he's going to

1282
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,600
learn too, as he's always got a teacher. We we've

1283
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,479
we've been very careful to have mentor characters for him,

1284
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,399
and Phil Loler has been great as Pastor Omack. For sure,

1285
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:35,399
He's he's going to have more than just Pastor Omac

1286
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,079
in some of these So because Jake is going international.

1287
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Shroud and Engineered are very much multi national.

1288
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah for the most part. Yeah, oh man. And you

1289
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,560
can see that if if you go to the Jake

1290
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,600
Muller Adventures Facebook page. I'm pretty sure we have it

1291
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,359
on our on the Jake Muller Adventures dot com too.

1292
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,239
But there's artwork for all four of them, and and

1293
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,279
you can you can look at the artwork and uh

1294
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,760
get a tease. You're not going to get a whole

1295
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,039
story out of it, but you're going to get a

1296
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:10,079
tease for what what you.

1297
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 5: Very specific locations. Yeah, and they are you know what

1298
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:15,079
to look for.

1299
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:19,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super excited about it. And you know, it's

1300
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,159
just a testament to the grace and goodness of God

1301
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,560
and uh him bringing David into our lives and uh

1302
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,319
in such a great ways. He's he's really a full

1303
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:32,399
partner on all of this. You know, he's he's become

1304
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,760
a good friend and I'm very grateful to him. He's

1305
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:42,239
he's a quiet guy who wants to just stay in

1306
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:48,079
the background, and uh, he trusts us. But he's he's

1307
01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:50,560
been very good to us and to the Jake Muller Adventures.

1308
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,079
Mike and I think he's an angel. We're not sure.

1309
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:58,119
We haven't met him yet face to face, so who

1310
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,439
knows this This guy might be a messenger.

1311
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure that he's he's listening to this

1312
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,840
episode right now. So I want to say, personally from me, David,

1313
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:12,760
thank you for stepping up and helping make this next

1314
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,680
season of the Jake Muller Adventures. And I don't mean

1315
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,520
season as in an album. I mean this season of

1316
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,439
this this show and this part of Darby and Mike's life.

1317
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,479
I mean this. You guys have put so many hours

1318
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,399
into this project. And I know, Darby, this is your baby.

1319
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,439
I mean you've you've had these just living in your

1320
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,800
mind and on your whiteboards behind you there for years

1321
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,000
and years, and so I'm just I'm just thrilled. And

1322
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:42,119
so from me personally, David, thank you. Oh he's got Yeah,

1323
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,600
there's the whiteboard. Yeah, too bad, you can't see it, listener.

1324
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: This is the outline for Shroud. You got it? Okay?

1325
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:58,159
Speaker 2: That that is some very small writing, and it's full.

1326
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 1: The board is full. So but yeah, yeah, I'm I'm great.

1327
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,119
My heart is full. And you know, Jad, we had

1328
01:15:07,159 --> 01:15:13,399
an experience together last November at Soniccon. Mike was there too,

1329
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,039
and there was a night that we all First we

1330
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:19,319
went out for Mexican food, which we do each time,

1331
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,800
and the crowd that goes to this restaurant, we picked

1332
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,720
the same restaurant that crowd has grown and it was wonderful.

1333
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,319
I think they were about thirty of us there. And

1334
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:33,560
then we went for ice cream. And this ice cream

1335
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,079
shop is small, but we were all there and we

1336
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:40,000
have pictures of it on our Facebook page. And we

1337
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,560
had so much fun because these are our people. They say,

1338
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,119
these are our tribe. This is our tribe. Yeah. And

1339
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,800
this ice cream place closed. It was nine o'clock or

1340
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,239
something like that, and we all went outside because they

1341
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,279
wanted to clean up inside. They were so sweet to us.

1342
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:59,600
There's great. But we went out on the sidewalk and

1343
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,399
we still there in November, and we all talked for

1344
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:07,520
about an hour or so and people just started drifting away,

1345
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,680
and and then some of us were staying at the

1346
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,840
same hotel. You and I were staying at the same hotel,

1347
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:15,800
and we went back there and for the people that

1348
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,479
were staying there, that same conversation kept going and it

1349
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,960
was such a great feeling. It's you know, some people

1350
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,840
said it was like going to summer camp and you

1351
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,680
get to the end of it and you don't want

1352
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,720
to leave. And that experience that we had in November

1353
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:35,880
was very much like that, because these are our people.

1354
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:38,920
These you know, I feel closer to a lot of

1355
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,920
those people that I see every two years then you know,

1356
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,359
some people that I work with or some people that

1357
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:49,520
I you know, see often here and we had we

1358
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:55,439
had something very remarkably similar with the Jake Muller recordings,

1359
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:00,720
and you know, we're really excited to to get together

1360
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,319
again to do it. Everybody's like, yeah, just tell me when,

1361
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,039
tell me when. So we got the date set early

1362
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:12,640
and people hopefully are asking off work or making plans already.

1363
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:16,319
I just I love I love our community, and I

1364
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:19,840
want to do the best show I can do for them.

1365
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,119
So I'm committed.

1366
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: Well, you guys, you guys did not disappoint with with

1367
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,960
Unidentified and I'm just super thrilled about this. And you know, Michael,

1368
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:32,920
I know you've got a whole lot of other things

1369
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,880
on your plate right now. You've got new Birth Audio productions,

1370
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,840
You've got a bunch of projects that'll be coming soon.

1371
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,199
So we're going to have to have you come back.

1372
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,800
We'll talk about those programs. Yes, so much coming that

1373
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,720
I'm excited to hear. I've actually had you on my

1374
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,520
list to have you on the show for a long

1375
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,479
time and so this was just like the perfect opportunity

1376
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,880
to have you on. And we definitely want to have

1377
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:54,399
you come.

1378
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 5: Back on and talk about a new birth.

1379
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,319
Speaker 2: And you know, I know that aside from you guys

1380
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:03,279
being creators in the space, we're all just big fans

1381
01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:06,760
of audio drama in general. So anytime we get together,

1382
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:10,119
there's you know, there's the conversation. She could just go

1383
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:10,640
on and on.

1384
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: They could, and it will. But you see how important

1385
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,239
Micah is to me. Besides is incredible talent and skills

1386
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:22,760
at this, he's he's a good friend of mine and

1387
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,760
and I just appreciate the hard work he puts into us,

1388
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,199
which in the end, you know, I think about it.

1389
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,239
I write this stuff, I direct the stuff, and uh,

1390
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,760
and then he takes it for about a year and

1391
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,760
works on it and do does more on it than

1392
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,520
I did. So yeah, it's I appreciate it.

1393
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate your ear, you know, your belief in me,

1394
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,159
in me and giving me the opportunity for sure.

1395
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,079
Speaker 2: It's a huge team effort. I mean every single one

1396
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:55,439
of these components. We talk about that here all the time.

1397
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:01,119
Great audio drama is the coming together, the urging, the melding,

1398
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,479
the meshing of all of these elements in a beautifully

1399
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,920
cohesive way. And that's what makes great audio drama. And

1400
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:12,279
so it takes everybody, and you guys, you guys do

1401
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:16,000
it with every project guy's working on. So thank you

1402
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:18,640
so much. I did not intend to take this much

1403
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,720
of your time, but thank you for being so generous

1404
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,960
and sharing with the community. And one more time, give

1405
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,119
give the website, tell the listener where to go get

1406
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:29,399
these shows.

1407
01:19:29,359 --> 01:19:35,359
Speaker 5: Jakemuller Adventures dot com and also on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook,

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Instagram and yeah so you can you can follow us

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in there keep up with the updates. The downloads will

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be available at jakemulleradventures dot com and then also on Audible,

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Spotifybornsandnoble dot com and about thirty five other audiobook distribution channels.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Thank you guys, Thank.

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Speaker 5: You so much.

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Speaker 1: D D, thank you, appreciate you brother well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Darby and Mike. If are coming on

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the show. As you heard, these albums are coming very

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soon with blood possibly even ready for you right now,

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So head over to Jakemulleradventures dot com and either pre

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order or go ahead and order it, whatever the status

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is at the time of this release, and support this

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high quality audio drama that's made for adults. And you

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know you've heard me talk about that over the years.

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I'm very excited that there are people focusing on the

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older age demographic in family friendly audio drama. So this

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may not be one for the very small children, but

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that's okay. There's plenty of content out there for the

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little kids. So again Jakemulleradventures dot com and you can

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find out a lot more about this series. Well, we

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would love to stay in touch with you, and one

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of those ways you can do that is to join

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our mailing list, the ATC Insiders, and we'll email you

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about everything that we're up to. It's very, very infrequently,

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but it is nice to be able to have a

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direct connection to you in between episodes and posts on

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the website. So there's a link right on our homepage

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at Audio Theatercentral dot com to join, and of course

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all the ways to get in touch with us are

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listed at Audio Theatercentral dot com slash contact would love

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to hear from you. Keep that feedback coming in always,

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always a pleasure to hear from the ATC community, and

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of course show notes with links to everything we talked

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about at Audiotheatercentral dot com slash two zero five. There's

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also some fun photos there of our guests today, so

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be sure to check that out. I'll see you next time,

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and hopefully I'll see you on World Audio Drama Day,

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October thirtieth. Thanks for listening. Audio Theater Central is a

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production of Portlite Family Media. Our theme music was composed

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by Sam Avandanio. The show is produced and edited by

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Yours truly JD. Sutter, and our website is Audio Theatercentral

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dot com.

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Speaker 3: Sporchlight Familymedia your source for family centered content. Scorchlightfamilymedia dot

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com