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<v Speaker 1>It's eight oh seven. Stick around time for a Friday

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<v Speaker 1>night edition of Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm Nicole Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>WBZ Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody, welcome and welcome on into a Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night edition. As Nicole has just told you, it is

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the week, but we have four hours

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<v Speaker 2>to go. We'll take you all the way until Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>April twelfth. And before we get started tonight, I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make note. Oftentimes you don't hear these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of things, but Nicole is going to be moving her

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<v Speaker 2>time slot here at WBZ from her regularly well her

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<v Speaker 2>currently scheduled time, which is working with us at night

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<v Speaker 2>and in the hours before at Nightside. But Nicole, you

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<v Speaker 2>were staying with the station. You're moving to the midday.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I am, Well, we've just had some some moves here

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<v Speaker 1>at the station in recent weeks, and this is just

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<v Speaker 1>what's next for me. I suppose in the in the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got to get used to getting up at

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<v Speaker 1>five thirty in the morning. That's kind be new. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done that in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But five thirty is not bad. Let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>five thirty is not bad. I used to get up

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<v Speaker 2>at quarter three.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it didn't we all when we were working morning drive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean I have not miss that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can not do that. But yeah, look, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to miss you. I don't get into the station much,

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<v Speaker 2>but please let us keep in touch with one because

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<v Speaker 2>I always enjoyed a little back and forth here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm kind of sad tonight, I too.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been really upset about it. I'm like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm really excited for whatever comes next. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we have a special connection. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>night side listeners. It's been I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>many years at this point, it's been.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of fun while a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you just for everything while I've been here on

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<v Speaker 1>the show with you doing our thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right back at you, and I know that we

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<v Speaker 2>share a love for the Boston sports teams and we

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<v Speaker 2>kid a kid back and forth with it. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is one that I'm really quite serious about. I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to do a great job and thank in

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<v Speaker 2>your new assignment. And the great part about this is

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<v Speaker 2>that you still be here at WBZ and be listening

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<v Speaker 2>to you maybe during I would be listening at a

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<v Speaker 2>different time during the day, but we will keep in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to say thanks for all of

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<v Speaker 2>your help over the years. Oh you been y. You

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<v Speaker 2>have tipped me off on stories that go on. You

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<v Speaker 2>have gone above and beyond. I'm sitting here doing a

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<v Speaker 2>show when all of a sudden, some big news story happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have always kept me in the loop. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't tell you much. I appreciated that you

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<v Speaker 2>were truly a news person.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, No, I appreciate you. And you know I

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<v Speaker 1>love the show. I listen all the time. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for expanding my mind on a lot of things, having

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<v Speaker 1>great conversations, letting me talk to your guests from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time. Well, you know, it's it's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun and I've learned a lot from you. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll just be listening to you as I

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<v Speaker 1>put the dinner dishes away. Now it's a little bit different,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's okay. We'll go get lunch sometime.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be great, all right. Thanks Thanks to gold the

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate News pro and it's a pleasure to have worked

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<v Speaker 2>with you, and we will continue to be in touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going anywhere. Don't worry else.

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<v Speaker 2>You excellent, excellent. Listen, gentlemen, that's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a tuget the hot strings from me here tonight. You

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<v Speaker 2>develop friendships and relationships with your on air colleagues, and

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<v Speaker 2>but life, life does go on, as of course, Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>goes on. My name is Dan Ray, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to steal any more time from my first guest,

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<v Speaker 2>a very distinguished guest, the doctor Marshall Rungi. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>dean of the Medican School at the University of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Dean Rungy, Welcome to Nightside. How are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great, Dan, nice, Nice to be on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>As a big sports guy, I have to ask this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Any relation to a former Major League umpire named Ed

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<v Speaker 2>Rungy from the nineteen fifties and sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my father claimed we were related. He couldn't exactly

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<v Speaker 3>explain it, but Ed was an upstanding guy and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>happy to be related to him in whatever way.

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<v Speaker 2>How many talk show hosts in America who you would

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<v Speaker 2>talk to would be able to pull the name Ed

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<v Speaker 2>Rungy out of the year. Not many, not many, you're

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<v Speaker 2>the first. I'll bet, I'll bet. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about technological advances, of course, which we have all seen,

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<v Speaker 2>policy changes and emerging business models fundamentally transforming America healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you mean by that. It is very

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<v Speaker 2>tough here in New England, at least in the Greater

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<v Speaker 2>Boston area right now, to get a new primary care physician.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lunch the other day with a former

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<v Speaker 2>PCP of mine who retired. He was telling me that

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<v Speaker 2>a retired PCP that he knows woman cannot find a

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<v Speaker 2>PCP for herself. So this is maybe not what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about. But things are changing, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily changing in a good direction as far I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about the changes from the perspective of the

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<v Speaker 2>perspective that you have out of ann Arbor.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Dan, what you're talking about in terms of access

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<v Speaker 3>to primary care is a national problem. It's one that

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<v Speaker 3>we really need to change the way we're training primary

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<v Speaker 3>care physicians encourage people to go into primary care. There

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<v Speaker 3>are lots of levers that we could use, that we

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<v Speaker 3>need to use, and I think it's possible for us

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<v Speaker 3>to really improve access to primary care and the reason

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<v Speaker 3>I feel so passionately about it too reasons. One is

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe that if we can improve access to

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<v Speaker 3>primary care, that means we can improve access to preventive care.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody complains about how much health care costs, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the best lists for that is to make

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<v Speaker 3>people to help them become more healthy. The second is,

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<v Speaker 3>if you compare us to our peer countries, advanced countries,

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<v Speaker 3>and look at the percent of our physicians who are

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<v Speaker 3>primary care physicians, it's very low compared to our peers,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that is reflected sometimes. We're definitely reflected

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<v Speaker 3>in the difficulty of finding a new internist or family

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<v Speaker 3>medicine physician or whatever you prefer for primary care.

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<v Speaker 2>My friends in the field tell me that the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of paperwork that PCPs or interness to whatever are required,

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<v Speaker 2>they spend more time doing paperwork than interacting with patients.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a complaint you hear out there?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? And I have an interness and he is fantastic,

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<v Speaker 3>and up until very recently, when i'd go see him,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd have his back turn to me. We'd be talking,

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<v Speaker 3>but he'd be type of things to his computer. So

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<v Speaker 3>one technology advance, I'd like to just mention to you

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<v Speaker 3>there's an advance called ambient AI and I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if you're familiar with that term. I wasn't familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>it until recently. But we always ask, and I'm mac

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<v Speaker 3>cardialgist will ask our patients. Says, okay, if we use

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<v Speaker 3>ambient AAI and we explain it to them, what's involves

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<v Speaker 3>is basically a microphone and a computer taking accepting all

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<v Speaker 3>the interchange between the person and their position. And not

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<v Speaker 3>only that, it's not a transcript producers, it produces a

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<v Speaker 3>high quality medical note and our faculty, our physicians who

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<v Speaker 3>are using this now say that this has decreased the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time they have to spend with just chart

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<v Speaker 3>work by up to two hours a day. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>I had a guest on last night who writes political

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<v Speaker 2>and economic issues. Guest he graduated from Carnegie Mellon, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is probably the toughest school in the country

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<v Speaker 2>to get into account to graduate, and he writes for

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<v Speaker 2>a platform called substack. He could take a thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred word essay and he can load it on to

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<v Speaker 2>an AI in three minutes and what comes what comes

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<v Speaker 2>out is basically two separate voice is discussing and in

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<v Speaker 2>effect regurgitating what he has written. Not in a verbatim form,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have the audio of two people speaking and saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Tatsu wrote this interesting article, and what did

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<v Speaker 2>you think about it? And they get right into the article.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing process. So yeah, that's that is. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a great development.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, and I think it's one of many examples

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<v Speaker 3>where our advancing technology, including AI and other advances, is

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<v Speaker 3>going to make it better for physicians, all health care providers,

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<v Speaker 3>and better for those who are patients.

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<v Speaker 2>But can I ask you one other question? As the

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<v Speaker 2>DNA of a medical school, why do we not have

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<v Speaker 2>more medical schools in the United States of America. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of bright young men and women coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>college these days are going offshore to medical schools, many

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<v Speaker 2>of them in the Caribbean. It seems to me that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a million law schools. I'm a lawyer by training,

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer by practice, and a journalist by practice. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a whole bunch of law schools. The more

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<v Speaker 2>law schools than we probably need. There aren't enough medical schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't we get more medical schools opened in this

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, I completely agree with you with about the our

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<v Speaker 3>paucity of medical schools. I think that and I think

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<v Speaker 3>there are two parts of it. One is how many

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<v Speaker 3>medical schools. The other is how many students per class. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and let me just say, and I am not casting

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<v Speaker 3>as persons at anybody, but this is such a in

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, the over regulated process in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone knows we need more doctors, and we can train

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<v Speaker 3>I am pushing hard for is for us to do

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<v Speaker 3>just what you suggested and to have larger medical school classes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can train people using new technology and

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<v Speaker 3>ways that their training will be just as good, if

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<v Speaker 3>not better, and we'll be able to provide many more

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<v Speaker 3>physicians in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Runky, what I would love to do with you

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<v Speaker 2>if possible, because we're limited in this format. We do

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<v Speaker 2>four interviews during this eight o'clock hour, but I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>the ear from eight to midnight Monday through Friday. Could

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<v Speaker 2>I convince you to come back with us somenight do

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<v Speaker 2>an hour maybe a little later in the evening, and

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<v Speaker 2>be able to entertain questions from callers and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this very subject. I know that, for example, the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Massachusetts Medical School here in Worcester, Massachusetts, it only

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<v Speaker 2>has room for about one hundred and twenty medical students

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<v Speaker 2>every year, and it seems to me that we need more.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are one of the first people in position

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<v Speaker 2>of authority as the dean of a medical school who

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<v Speaker 2>I think are on the same page with me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of doing this as a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a project or a campaign to

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<v Speaker 2>make people more aware of this. Would you be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to come back some night and spend an hour talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this and incorporate phone calls from across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Dan, I would love to do that. I'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to hear what people are thinking and their questions and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so at all. I can tell that

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<v Speaker 2>connect on. And I thank you so much. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>we will we will set this up in the not

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds great, Dan, I'll look forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Doctor Marshall Rungey, somehow a relative

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<v Speaker 2>of a famous Major League umpire, but more importantly the

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<v Speaker 2>dean of the University of Michigan Medical School, Doctor Ruggie,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to our next conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Dan, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we're going to change topics. We're

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<v Speaker 5>All right, Well, there's a lot going on around New

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<v Speaker 5>you should be out at Gillette Stadium tomorrow, April twelfth

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<v Speaker 5>with Me's Colch Stevens, one of the drivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Cold, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go on, man, I'm glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is this your first trip to Jewett or to

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, We've been out on tour for a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>this year. But this is actually my second time here

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<v Speaker 4>at Jellete Stadium. I came back I believe in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>seventeen driving the Zombie Monster Jam truck. But this is

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<v Speaker 4>I'm super excited. I always have a great time. I

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely love Jellette Stadium. I was looking at the track earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>looking good. Cannot wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope the weather gets a little better for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>The forecast is a little what they call inclement the

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<v Speaker 2>weather guys. But how much dirt is brought in for

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<v Speaker 2>the Monster Jams, my mind is dating. It's quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, there's no doubt of it. There's around four

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<v Speaker 4>hundred loads of dirt that come in. It's amazing to

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<v Speaker 4>watch the dirt crew and how they can transform a

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<v Speaker 4>football field or a stadium like that. Bring the dirt in.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll do an event completely awesome, big hills, jumps, cars,

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<v Speaker 4>everything out there. Then they'll completely remove everything within a

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<v Speaker 4>day and it looked like we were never even there.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's pretty cool. Yeah, we have a lot of dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume they must put some sort of a tarp underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not just putting it down on the field, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>They actually have some videos on Monster Jam's website showing

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<v Speaker 4>how they do it at some of the stadiums, but

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of times it's a couple layers of actual

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<v Speaker 4>plywood that go down and then yeah, tarp as well,

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<v Speaker 4>so and it cleans up really nicely.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent. Excellent. So now you guys are on tour. What

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<v Speaker 2>months of the year does this basically take up your existence?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Master dam does go year round, but our tour

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<v Speaker 4>really goes all the way into world Finals. This year

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<v Speaker 4>world finals is July fourth and it's in Salt Lake City,

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<v Speaker 4>So we're going from January all the way until July,

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<v Speaker 4>and each weekend is a point series. This tour is

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<v Speaker 4>all together. There's five tours all around the country going on,

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<v Speaker 4>but this is East Stadium Tour and we're all trying

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<v Speaker 4>to get as many points as possible to make it

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<v Speaker 4>the world Finals. Because only the guy that gets the

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<v Speaker 4>most points on this tour and wins the tour is

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<v Speaker 4>guaranteed to bid the world Finals, and that's what we're

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, Cold, let me ask you how do you

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<v Speaker 2>become a monk? Tell me how you became a monster

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<v Speaker 2>jam driver. I'm sure when you were, you know, ten

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<v Speaker 2>years twelve years old, you might have been thinking about driving,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean you probably were not thinking about the

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<v Speaker 2>vehicles that you're driving. Explain to people who may not

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<v Speaker 2>have seen it, how high you are up off the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and what you were trying to achieve to pile

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<v Speaker 2>up those points.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, multiple things. So, first off, I'm a second

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<v Speaker 4>generation driver, so this is part of my lifestyle group

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<v Speaker 4>around it. I absolutely love it. It's monster jam has

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<v Speaker 4>been a part of my life. But then these trucks

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<v Speaker 4>are twelve foot tall. So we're sitting in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>of these trucks. It's a full tube, Chassie, twelve dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>thousand pounds. We're on sixty sixteen saw tires and we're

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<v Speaker 4>pushing about fifteen hundred horsepower. So it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wild and crazy and as far as what to expect,

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<v Speaker 4>expect the unexpected. We're out there in these trucks. I

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<v Speaker 4>just said they're twelve thousand pounds, but imagine this. They're

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<v Speaker 4>flying thirty forty feet in the air. We're doing backflips,

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing crazy Ballerina moves if you will, up on

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<v Speaker 4>the front two tires, doing moonwalks, we're doing sidewalls, We're

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<v Speaker 4>driving bicycles down the side of the lanes. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's crazy what we can do in these trucks. You

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<v Speaker 4>have to see it in person to actually get a

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<v Speaker 4>grasp on it. And the biggest thing is you want

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<v Speaker 4>to come to the pit party. You want to come

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<v Speaker 4>see what these trucks look like up close to personally.

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<v Speaker 4>You can watch it on YouTube. You can watch it

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<v Speaker 4>on TV or whatever you see. But until you actually

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<v Speaker 4>see these trucks up close and see how big they

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<v Speaker 4>are and how big the jumps are that we're hitting,

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<v Speaker 4>you really can't grasp it. And I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 4>you definitely need to check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully a lot of my listeners will check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at you let tomorrow. I assume that they can

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<v Speaker 2>get tickets. They can probably go on to a waite,

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<v Speaker 2>but they probably also can show up and buy them

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<v Speaker 2>at the gate.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that true, Yeah, sir, But go to monster jam

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<v Speaker 4>dot com. You can check it out. You can get

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<v Speaker 4>all the information all the times. I do know that

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<v Speaker 4>the event starts at five o'clock. Now you can come

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<v Speaker 4>to the pit party general emissions at twelve thirty, and

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<v Speaker 4>then we also have an early access where you can

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<v Speaker 4>really skip all the lines and everything that starts at

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<v Speaker 4>eleven thirty. But check it out. Monster jam dot com

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<v Speaker 4>has you dialed in, you'll be able to get all

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<v Speaker 4>the information you need.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's perfect monsterjam dot com. And I suspect that

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<v Speaker 2>this is an event that all ages, kids as well

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<v Speaker 2>as adults, grandparents and regular parents. I assume it spans

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<v Speaker 4>There's no doubt about it. We always laugh about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's one hundred percent true. Bring everybody from the

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<v Speaker 4>littlest kid all the way up to your grandma. They're

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<v Speaker 4>all gonna have a fantastic time. It's so much fun

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<v Speaker 4>for the entire family. And we got that brand new

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<v Speaker 4>thunder Roars truck that I'm driving this weekend. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to miss it. Bring the roar. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Cold, let me Cold. Let me just say, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, love your passion, love your enthusiasm. You represent

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<v Speaker 2>the sport very very well. Thanks for what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay safe and best of luck this weekend. Out at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let sounds to me like you're not going to need

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<v Speaker 2>any luck. You may need a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>of an umbrella, but that's that's okay, that's that'll that'll

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<v Speaker 2>make it only much more fun. Thank you so much, Cold,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy talking with you, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I thank you very much. Can't wait to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't miss it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll be there, We'll be there. Okay, when we

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<v Speaker 2>got we got a break here for the news at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the Air with Nicole Davis. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>the Lowell Multi Day Celebration of Music and Art. This

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<v Speaker 2>one you can put in your calendar and plan for

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<v Speaker 2>it the weekend of April twenty four to the twenty sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>the break. My name's Dan Ray. This is Night's Side.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everybody, Thank you, Nicole. Going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with Chris Porter. Chris is the festival f owner

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<v Speaker 2>of Lowell, Massachusetts, multi day celebration of music and art.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Town and the City Festival, running from

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing great, Dan, Thanks so much for having me

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, I think we might have done this

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<v Speaker 2>year ago, and I'm not sure if you were here,

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, sure, I've been on busy before. I appreciate all

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<v Speaker 6>the support and interest. Yeah, this is the sixth year

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<v Speaker 6>of a venue hopping experience. While people could purchase tickets

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<v Speaker 6>for an individual show, we really encourage people to get

422
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<v Speaker 6>day passes so that which is put they give a

423
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.079
<v Speaker 6>little wristband and you can kind of bop around a

424
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<v Speaker 6>different venues and experiences as much as you want. We

425
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<v Speaker 6>have twelve participating venues throughout downtown Lowell, over sixty performances

426
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<v Speaker 6>over those three days. The Thursday night, it's one kickoff

427
00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.799
<v Speaker 6>show that we're doing. A couple of nationally known acts,

428
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<v Speaker 6>Lady Lamb and Ezra Firman are playing that evening. And

429
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<v Speaker 6>then on Friday the twenty fifth and Saturday the twenty sixth,

430
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<v Speaker 6>we have a multitude of things happening, mostly music, but

431
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<v Speaker 6>we do have some comedy and some spoken word poetry

432
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<v Speaker 6>events as well. We have Friday evening it's going on,

433
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<v Speaker 6>and then Saturday afternoon and Saturday evening a lot of

434
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<v Speaker 6>different things are going on.

435
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a little confused. I know Lowell's a city,

436
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<v Speaker 2>why is it called the Town and the City Festival.

437
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:07.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not a town?

438
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well yeah, although some people who live there, and

439
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.319
<v Speaker 6>I grew up in Lowell, so it's sort of like

440
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<v Speaker 6>a town and kind of like a city, but it's

441
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<v Speaker 6>not the reason why we call it that. That is

442
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<v Speaker 6>a that is a nod to Jack Kirewuac, one of

443
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<v Speaker 6>our most famous UH people from who grew up in Lowell.

444
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<v Speaker 6>His very first book was called The Town and the City.

445
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<v Speaker 6>It was largely about although he used the fictional name,

446
00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.799
<v Speaker 6>it was largely about Lowell. And this isn't meant to

447
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<v Speaker 6>be a Jack. When I started this, I didn't want

448
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<v Speaker 6>to necessarily do a Jack Herewuack scened event Uh. There

449
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.319
<v Speaker 6>already is another one that goes on there. But I

450
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<v Speaker 6>wanted to celebrate the spirit of Jack as far as

451
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<v Speaker 6>you know, things he wrote about about discovery and UH

452
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.319
<v Speaker 6>and love of life and all that. And we do

453
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<v Speaker 6>have some Cure Wuac esque sort of programming, Like I said,

454
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<v Speaker 6>this poetry, we've had some literary programming here and there.

455
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<v Speaker 6>There have been mus tributes and actually there's one band

456
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<v Speaker 6>that is doing a music tribute to to Get Here

457
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<v Speaker 6>at Waka on the on the Saturday. So I mean

458
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<v Speaker 6>we have you know, So that's the kind of the

459
00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.519
<v Speaker 6>element is. But it's mostly meant to be a celebration

460
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<v Speaker 6>of Lowell of a lot of the local music. And

461
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<v Speaker 6>we we have nationally touring artists as part of this,

462
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<v Speaker 6>but I like to fly the local flag, so to speak.

463
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<v Speaker 6>And there are a lot of Lol based performers and

464
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<v Speaker 6>Boston based performers playing at it as well. But there's

465
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<v Speaker 6>a Jack here whack underlying team with it and so

466
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<v Speaker 6>hence the name.

467
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<v Speaker 2>So how's Lowell doing these days? If I'm not mistaken.

468
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<v Speaker 2>You have, of course good Good College up there, University

469
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<v Speaker 2>of Lowell at hockey Good Hockey College hockey at the

470
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Saugus Arena. Is that also used as a venue for

471
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<v Speaker 2>for the Fleet, the women's National Hockey League team.

472
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<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, the Boston Fleet play there, That's right. I

473
00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 6>wish I wish my festival was a little bigger, that

474
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<v Speaker 6>I could put some conscience on there quite at that

475
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<v Speaker 6>point yet, but it's it's another exciting aspect of role

476
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<v Speaker 6>for sure.

477
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<v Speaker 2>So but the city seems to be doing a little better.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a you know, it's a city that

479
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<v Speaker 2>has a tremendous history. Anybody who's ever been to Loll

480
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<v Speaker 2>knows the history of Loll and what an important city

481
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<v Speaker 2>it was, and it still is. But there's a history

482
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<v Speaker 2>as well as again, you know, areas that are being

483
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<v Speaker 2>developed on is it is it? Is it getting better

484
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<v Speaker 2>in Lowll? It seems to me every time I go there,

485
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 2>it looks better, it feels better. But I'm not there

486
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<v Speaker 2>every day of the week. Tell me, tell me how's

487
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<v Speaker 2>the city doing.

488
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<v Speaker 6>I think it's doing great. I mean it's going through

489
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.039
<v Speaker 6>a little change right now. We unfortunately lost a great

490
00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 6>marketplace called Mill number five had.

491
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<v Speaker 4>To close, although a lot.

492
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<v Speaker 6>Of those vendors are going to another building fortunately, but

493
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.759
<v Speaker 6>that was, you know, one of a number of examples

494
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.119
<v Speaker 6>of repurposed mills there that are becoming you know, whether

495
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.720
<v Speaker 6>they're becoming some summer conc wasn't a apartments. Some have

496
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.119
<v Speaker 6>been for companies, but some have been for marketplaces also,

497
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.079
<v Speaker 6>like for instance, one of the venues we used taff

498
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<v Speaker 6>at a music hall that is housed at Western av Studios,

499
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 6>which has been around for a few years. But it's

500
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<v Speaker 6>this an enormous sort of artist colony it's something like

501
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:20.119
<v Speaker 6>three hundred visual artists have their studios and or they

502
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 6>live there, and there's a brewery there and a coffee

503
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.079
<v Speaker 6>shop and and this music venue. And you know, when

504
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.759
<v Speaker 6>I was growing up in Lowll it's stuff like that,

505
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 6>it felt like nothing like that would have happened, you know,

506
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<v Speaker 6>And so I look at Lowell as is really with

507
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<v Speaker 6>different eye over the last in my opinion, the last

508
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 6>ten years, it's become a much more interesting place there's

509
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<v Speaker 6>been as far as culture is concerned. It's been place

510
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<v Speaker 6>for visual art for many years. There are a lot

511
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.839
<v Speaker 6>of galleries and and things for for visual artists, but

512
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 6>the music thing has kind of gone up and down

513
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.599
<v Speaker 6>over the years. But right now there you know, when

514
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 6>the town and the city festival is not happening, I mean,

515
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.200
<v Speaker 6>they're a handful event music venues that are going on,

516
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, every night of the week, or most nights

517
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<v Speaker 6>of the week. When I was growing up, I mean

518
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 6>sometimes there would be one, but lots of times we

519
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 6>had no music venue unless it was somebody big playing

520
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 6>at the Lowe Memorial Auditorium. So it's I I And

521
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 6>also it's a place that well, you know, every place

522
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.200
<v Speaker 6>can be expensive relatively speaking, But relatively speaking, it's much

523
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 6>more less expensive to live there than Boston, Cambridge, some

524
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 6>of all that whole you know, general, the big city area.

525
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<v Speaker 6>And so I know so many creatives that have been

526
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 6>moving up to Lowell in recent years. I had a

527
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.559
<v Speaker 6>number of friends who just get priced out of the

528
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 6>Boston area gone up there and they do their music

529
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 6>or art or whatever they work on up there, and

530
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.759
<v Speaker 6>so it's it's it's been really inspiring. I've seen I'm

531
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<v Speaker 6>very bullish on what's going on in a lot of

532
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.720
<v Speaker 6>small cities all over the country. One of my inspirations

533
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.559
<v Speaker 6>for the town the city is a festival in Boise,

534
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 6>the Idaho called tree Fort Music Fest, which is bigger

535
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 6>than what we do, but it's along the same lines.

536
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<v Speaker 6>And I went to it once. You know, we can

537
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 6>do something like this in Lowell, you know, why not?

538
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 6>You know, And I've seen it in that as a

539
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 6>similar festival in Knoxville, Tennessee. And and I can put

540
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<v Speaker 6>to other cities of the same same size, and you

541
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 6>would think to you know, think that, you know, so

542
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.240
<v Speaker 6>it's really cool. Stuff doesn't have to happen in Boston

543
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 6>or Cambridge. You know, you can you can find it

544
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 6>in places like Lowell and Portsmouth, and I can name

545
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.000
<v Speaker 6>other places as well.

546
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>But well, questioning, well, yeah, well, I got to tell

547
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 2>you I'm so happy to hear that, because I'm a

548
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>big advocate of that. You hear the stories that you know,

549
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 2>well someone can't find uh an inexpensive apartment on Beacon Hill.

550
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Well there's probably a reason for that, you know. It's

551
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of what we call supply and demand economics.

552
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 2>But you can go to any of these great cities

553
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>in the greater Boston area. Uh, A lot of people

554
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>are now able to work remotely. That's that's a new opportunity.

555
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And there's also businesses and and employment opportunities. Everybody feels, well,

556
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I got to live in Soho in New York City

557
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>or you know, or worse, in the village. And if

558
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't live in I have to live in the

559
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Back Bay or Beacon Hill or maybe the South End.

560
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll slum it and go to the South End. And

561
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>those are all high end places that you've got to

562
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>spend five thousand dollars a month just to live. And

563
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a point of reality here, I mean where you

564
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>got to say to yourself, look, at some of these

565
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>other cities. And that's why I'm excited to have you.

566
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to celebrate the town and the City Festival

567
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and in a lot of and I hope a lot

568
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 2>of people take advantage of this. It's two weekends, well

569
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it's really one weekend from now. When you think of it,

570
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not this weekend, it's the it's the following weekend.

571
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And get up there and experience the city. You might

572
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>find a better place to work and a better place

573
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>to live, which is not going to cost you an

574
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 2>arm and a lake Lowell, Massachusetts. So Chris, I'm big

575
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.720
<v Speaker 2>on Lowell and I'm thrilled to hear your enthusiasm because

576
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.319
<v Speaker 2>that's what that's what Lowell needs, people like you who

577
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>stick with it and make this city. Let it come back,

578
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>let it keep on coming back. And I just want

579
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 2>to say thanks very much for what you do. Well.

580
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<v Speaker 6>I really really appreciate that, Dan, it's a sweet words

581
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 6>and I appreciate your interest in support. And I hope

582
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 6>everybody can check out the Town and the City Festival

583
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 6>for more information. Just go to the Town in the

584
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 6>City Festival dot com, give them links to tickets there

585
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 6>and learn about all the different performers and bands. Like

586
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.880
<v Speaker 6>I said, there's some nationally recognize that, there's some locals,

587
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 6>and there's a lot of stuff in a big discovery

588
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 6>thing too. Don't just go and see your favorites, you know,

589
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 6>find your new favorite band at the Town and the

590
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 6>City festival.

591
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<v Speaker 2>I like to say, I think what you need is

592
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 2>a slogan and get some bumper strips up there. It's

593
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>happening in Lowell something like that. That market, that city.

594
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 2>It is a great city. It's got great restaurants. I'm

595
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Bullish and low and so you're always welcome here. Chris,

596
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you so much. We'll talk soon. Okay,

597
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 2>all right, thanks, all right, thanks again. Well we get back.

598
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<v Speaker 2>Caution you. We're going to talk with doctor Fami Farhar.

599
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>He's a cardiologist, and he tells us he's gonna tell

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<v Speaker 2>us that skipping meals may actually increase the risk of

601
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<v Speaker 2>heart attack. You'll want to listen up. And then, as

602
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<v Speaker 2>I said, beginning at nine o'clock to I'm going to

603
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<v Speaker 2>be talking with former Superior Court judger in Massachusetts, Christopher J.

604
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Muse Justice under God. He was the attorney. He and

605
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>his dad were the attorney for Bobby Joe Leister, which

606
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>was one of the It was a herculean battle in

607
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>which they fought for this man's freedom, unjustly convicted for

608
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<v Speaker 2>crime that he had nothing to do with. I know

609
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about that concept. But Chris Muse is

610
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<v Speaker 2>going to be a great guest. I have just read

611
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<v Speaker 2>the book today. It is a great book. We'll talk

612
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<v Speaker 2>with him and then we're going to talk later on

613
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>tonight with a home remodeler. I think if you're interested,

614
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<v Speaker 2>you may find that one very interesting. And then at

615
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<v Speaker 2>eleven tonight, Yeah, you're brushed with celebrity. Let's have fun

616
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 2>in that final hour time and we'll get you to

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. Back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, one or to welcome to our program, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Fami Farha, doctor Farhran, Welcome to Nightside.

621
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<v Speaker 4>How are you, sir, find Jane.

622
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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's great to be back on your show.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Fami. I did not realize that you were a female.

624
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I apologize for that. I have never seen the name

625
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<v Speaker 2>Fami before. Welcome to our show. Thank you very much.

626
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<v Speaker 2>And you're a cardiologist and you have a warning for

627
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>my listeners, and that is that skipping meals, which a

628
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<v Speaker 2>lot of people do, could complicate their lives with a

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<v Speaker 2>greater likelihood of heart attacks. Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, you know, meals are very important, especially certain meals

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<v Speaker 7>such as breakfast, just because what we eat in the

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<v Speaker 7>morning when we first wake up, that kind of sets

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<v Speaker 7>the stage for the rest of the day in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of our hormone regulation. It's an important hormone regulation. For example,

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<v Speaker 7>your insulin, which is the main hormone that kind of

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<v Speaker 7>determines It's called a storage hormone, like how your calories

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<v Speaker 7>are going to be taken care of for the rest

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<v Speaker 7>of the day. And so eating a good, healthy breakfast

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<v Speaker 7>is very important for your overall health and particularly your

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<v Speaker 7>heart health.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand that, and I do the same breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>every morning, which is I have a cereal that I

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<v Speaker 2>eat and I put fruit, bananas, blueberry, strawberries, and coffee

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<v Speaker 2>and that gets me through most of the day. I

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<v Speaker 2>will have a piece of fruit or something like that

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<v Speaker 2>at lunch. So I'm not a heavy eater. I lost

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five pounds a few years ago, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>have a regular dinner. Tonight, I had fish and some vegetables.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I in dangering myself? I'm not somebody who sits

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<v Speaker 2>and has a lunch with you know whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a burger and fries or something like that. Are people

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<v Speaker 2>like me who are kind of cutting back on their

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<v Speaker 2>caloric intake? Are they the people you're worried about or

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<v Speaker 2>or not? I mean, I'm just I am concerned whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to a doctor and I think to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>am I doing something here that is not helping me?

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, I think what you're doing is more along

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<v Speaker 7>the side of being healthy. So I'm not worried about

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<v Speaker 7>the group of folks who are cutting back on their calories. It's,

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<v Speaker 7>in fact the opposite. You know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>information out there nowadays, especially on social media things like TikTok.

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<v Speaker 7>Anyone can post a lot of information out there. Whether

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<v Speaker 7>that's true or not, it's questionable. So getting your source,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, like what tours you're getting information from, is

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<v Speaker 7>very important. And so you know, like, like the topic

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<v Speaker 7>we're discussing is so important. I don't think that decreasing

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<v Speaker 7>calorie intake and eating a healthy, balanced, nutritious meals is

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<v Speaker 7>that that's what we want you to do. So that's

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<v Speaker 7>not the group of people that we worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm not sure if this is a fair question.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this should be the question for a nutrition it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a cardiologist. But I remember many years ago when

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<v Speaker 2>they sort of flipped the food pyramid on its head.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we were told that these were the things

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<v Speaker 2>that were good, and these were the things that weren't good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, the new food myriamid

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<v Speaker 2>came out and things that were good weren't so good,

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<v Speaker 2>and things that had been bad actually were pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You sound as if you're a lot

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<v Speaker 2>younger than I am. You may not remember when the

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<v Speaker 2>food pyramid got a very different configuration. And and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I ask you that question is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people kind of said, oh, that's good, meat was good

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<v Speaker 2>for you and all of this, and then it became

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<v Speaker 2>just the opposite. Now, again, you're the cardiologists. You deal

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<v Speaker 2>with people who who need to be concerned about their heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it that we can't figure out, meaning the

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<v Speaker 2>medical community at large can't figure out exactly what is

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<v Speaker 2>good and what is bad, because that did lead to

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<v Speaker 2>some confusion. If you you probably don't remember it, but

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<v Speaker 2>you certainly know of what I speak.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope, I am.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I'm aware of the change in the food pyramid.

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<v Speaker 7>But to clarify, the medical community has figured out what's

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<v Speaker 7>good and you know, like, yes, there was some confusion

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<v Speaker 7>with the food pyramid turning upside down, but that is

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<v Speaker 7>you know, like too much meat is not good for you.

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<v Speaker 7>So we do have plenty of research done and we

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<v Speaker 7>do know now what's good for us. We know that

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<v Speaker 7>plant based diet is excellent for us, like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>that actually is the way to go. And the new

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<v Speaker 7>guidelines per American he Association, you will see there's a

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<v Speaker 7>big push towards plant based dies. What we don't want

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<v Speaker 7>people to do things that are high in cholesterol, things

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<v Speaker 7>that are processed, things that have high sodium content. Those

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<v Speaker 7>are proven to be wrong and there's no confusion about it.

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<v Speaker 7>The things that have high cholesterol, fatty items, things that

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<v Speaker 7>are high in preservatives, high in sodium, those are bad

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<v Speaker 7>for us, bad for our overall health and certainly for

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<v Speaker 7>our cardiovascular health. And things that are like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>more fruits and vegetables, particularly vegetables, We know those are

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<v Speaker 7>good for us. And there's nothing wrong with taking those.

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<v Speaker 7>So there's no confusion about that part.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Now I got to ask you about two things.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a cardiologist who's a great friend, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said to me, there's nothing wrong with a little dark

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<v Speaker 2>chocolate every day. I hope that that still holds, that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is correct.

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<v Speaker 4>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I completely agree with that. So dark chocolate is

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<v Speaker 7>healthy for you and for your heart health. Of course,

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<v Speaker 7>it needs to be done in moderation. And it's not

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<v Speaker 7>the chocolate that we worry about, it's what the chocolate

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<v Speaker 7>is prepared with. So you know, candy is where we

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<v Speaker 7>typically find the chocolate, and candy can have a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of sugar, and you know, fat and cholesterol content could

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<v Speaker 7>be high as a result, and so we need to

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<v Speaker 7>be cautious of that. Like, it's not that chocolate itself

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<v Speaker 7>that's bad, it's everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Else in it. Okay. And then the other question, which

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<v Speaker 2>is important to ask red wine. Please tell me red

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<v Speaker 2>wine is okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I get asked this question quite a bit. I know, yes,

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<v Speaker 7>so it's it's it's a I hate to be the

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<v Speaker 7>very bad news for you. But a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 7>we had a large that came was an international study

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<v Speaker 7>that looked at a couple of million people actually, and

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<v Speaker 7>we now have proof that any amount of alcohol is

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<v Speaker 7>not good for us. Alcohol is considered a toxin for

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<v Speaker 7>the heart, health and overall body, and red wine is

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<v Speaker 7>no different. The reason I think there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>of confusion, and for a long time, you're right, red

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<v Speaker 7>wine was it got this reputation of being good and

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<v Speaker 7>healthy for you because it has a component that has

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<v Speaker 7>like you know, antioxidant and things like that. But that's

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<v Speaker 7>aside from the alcohol component in it. And so the

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<v Speaker 7>content of alcohol being in it, the little benefit it

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<v Speaker 7>has is totally offset by the harmful effects it has.

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<v Speaker 7>So we don't promote drinking any alcohol at all anymore,

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<v Speaker 7>not even red wine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, okay, I'm one for two, I'm bat in

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred. I'm okay with that, Doctor Fami far Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much, Cardiology Board Certified invasive cardiologists. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I always like to thank doctors, and I mean this honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the profession you've chosen, and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for what you do for all of us. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>it so much, and thanks for being with us tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a great sport thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>It was my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. When we get back, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with a former Massachusetts Superior Court judge. Chris Muse has

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<v Speaker 2>written a book about the biggest case of his career,

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<v Speaker 2>in a case that most of us will remember, the

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<v Speaker 2>case of Bobby Joe Lisa Lisa, an innocent man who

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<v Speaker 2>spent nearly ten years in jail for a crime he

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<v Speaker 2>did not commit. We'll be talking with Chris Muse and

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<v Speaker 2>Justice under God right after the nine o'clock news
