WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:06.240 It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ Koston's Radio. Oh 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.119 thanks a lot, Buddy, Dani's off tonight. 3 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.839 It is a Friday night, and we just don't know 4 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:13.839 what's going to happen around here. 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:15.839 On WBC's Nightside, it's. 6 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:17.199 Been one of those weeks. You know, I spent a 7 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:19.000 week in Vegas. Then you just never know what's going 8 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:21.879 to go down. If any of you don't like me, 9 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:26.039 you have this man to blame. Joining me right now 10 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:37.280 is educator, politician, philosopher, Beer Drinker, softball star country music lover. 11 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:42.439 Have I forgotten anything? Jello wrestler Radio tak show host 12 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:43.679 Rich Kimball joins us. 13 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.920 The reason I am in this business? Rich, Welcome to 14 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.560 night Side, Jerry. 15 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.719 Do I have to take all the blame for them? 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:52.479 Yes you do? 17 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.119 Yes, Yes you do? And Rich listen. You can catch 18 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:01.560 him online. He does a great job. Downtown is the 19 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.159 name of the show that he does up in Vangora. 20 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.120 He and Stephen King a drinking buddies. 21 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.879 So he works at Stephen Kings Stephen King's tax right off. 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:11.040 Is that what that ready to say? Anyway? 23 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:11.159 No? 24 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.359 No, no, no, no, no, what's what's the what's the website. 25 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:15.799 If people want to check out. 26 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.719 Richie Downtown with rich Kimball dot com. 27 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:21.760 There you go. It's that simple. So he has great 28 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.719 guests on and he's a good friend of me. 29 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:25.840 It did, by the way, a great interview. We did 30 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:28.239 an hour with Dwight Evans talking about his new book 31 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:28.840 and it was great. 32 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:30.040 Oh who do you write it with? 33 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:32.439 Eric Sherman? 34 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:34.640 Okay, I don't know him, but yeah, Doe, he's one 35 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:35.159 of the best. 36 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.519 You know, he's such a gentleman and his I don't 37 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.599 want to get off topic, but well, who cares, what 38 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.000 the hell? But the thing about Evans that people I 39 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.719 think are coming to know is his off field. 40 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.920 Life was brutal. I mean, as a parent, just brutal. 41 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.599 Yeah, I mean I knew, I knew that his boys 42 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.280 had some issues, but I have no idea that you know, 43 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.319 there were nights when he would be in the hospital 44 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.200 all night and leave the hospital and go to Fenway 45 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.159 for a game that was in years of that. 46 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.359 I mean, one of my favorite Red Sox players. You know, 47 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.199 you always have those group of players which you were. 48 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.000 They're not Hall of famers, you know, they're not the 49 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.240 they're not the big stars. 50 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:13.599 They're not like the. 51 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.199 Yaz or the you know, the Clemmens if you will, 52 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.199 or those, But there's the next level guys. You know 53 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.360 Tim Wakeful who we all loved, God bless him, we 54 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.479 miss him. He was one of those guys, you know. 55 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.639 And Evans was the same thing and had perhaps probably 56 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.360 I mean you know, better than me, the greatest right arm, 57 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:33.080 the greatest arm ever in the outfield? 58 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.840 Was there any he and Clemente. 59 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.479 I would I would say in my lifetime absolutely. Yeah. 60 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:41.840 Well, Richard's here to talk about educating the youth of 61 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.039 America because he's such a great role model. And Richie 62 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:46.319 and I start to have a debate on the phone 63 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.439 the other day. We were talking about Generation gen Z 64 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.759 and you how many years as a teacher and administrator 65 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.479 up in Brewer Bruin. 66 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:56.080 Banker thirty five years? 67 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:56.639 Amazing? 68 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.120 And I remember when you were at Boys State. That's 69 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.360 when I first met you, when you were a role model. 70 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:05.719 But you have an interesting thing. 71 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.639 And not only was I role model, but you were 72 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.280 selected as a future leader of America by your school. 73 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.479 Yeah, but it was Mexico made. It wasn't It wasn't 74 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:18.039 a hard pick. It wasn't hard I believe me. If 75 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:19.960 I had lived in Rumford across the river, I wouldn't 76 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.120 have made it. So this generation, and I've been teaching 77 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.960 at Emerson, and this generation is getting a rap, a 78 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.000 bad rap in the eyes of some. You may be 79 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.919 one of not having a proper work ethic like we did. 80 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:40.080 And how do you respond to that absolute nonsense? And 81 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.759 I've told you before, I always think back on the 82 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.280 movie The Breakfast Club when the assistant principal is talking 83 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.879 to the custodian. He says, ah, the kids have changed. 84 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.039 The custodian says, the kids haven't changed, deck, You've changed. 85 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.879 You know, kids, they have different circumstances in life today. 86 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.560 Kids are the same as they have or were. And 87 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.759 you know, there are hard workers. There are kids who 88 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.479 look for shortcuts. There are kids who get others to 89 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.639 do their work for them, and then there are kids 90 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.120 who who don't do much at all. But I haven't 91 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:16.079 seen any change in the percentages of kids in each 92 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.360 of those groups. And the hardest workers, I think work 93 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:22.519 as hard as they ever did, and in some ways 94 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.759 they're a lot better at it. And technology social media 95 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.480 being one of those ways. I find that high school 96 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:35.079 age kids much more savvy about technology and social media 97 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.199 than their parents' generation is, and so they come with 98 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:39.879 a lot of skills. 99 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:43.279 Yeah, I mean when you're talking about obviously social media 100 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.439 things are expertited, quickly, information, so forth on. But when 101 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.639 you say better, in what way is there do you 102 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.959 see other things besides the social media aspects? Basically, are 103 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.360 you saying that they work smarter than we did? 104 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.319 I think so, and and I think it's because they've 105 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:06.000 spent their entire life having technology as a part of things, 106 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:11.720 and so they learn to prioritize, they learn to I think, 107 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.000 use their time more efficiently, and they also have pretty 108 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.240 good BS detectors, whether it's in terms of seeing things 109 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.199 on a social media site that they know are just ridiculous, 110 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.279 but also in terms of, and I think in a 111 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.519 good way, questioning what they're taught. I worked with a 112 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.680 teacher a number of years ago who was teaching students 113 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:36.199 in a high school class to memorize state capitals, and 114 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:40.360 I said, why why are you doing that in the 115 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.759 twenty first century? Unless they're going on Jeopardy next week? 116 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:49.319 Why are we spending time on find on their phone 117 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.199 in ten seconds? Because it's not all about we're not 118 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:56.959 supposed to be teaching rote memorization. Now there's some of 119 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.879 that that can be a building block of education, but 120 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.000 we want to teach skills that can translate into the 121 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.959 contemporary world. We want to teach them problem solving and 122 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.959 let's not bog them down with the memorization of facts 123 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.120 that they can find easily using technology. And kids saw 124 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.839 through that. Kids are like, yeah, why do I really 125 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.839 need to know that? And if I do, I can 126 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:23.439 find it pretty quickly somewhere else. 127 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.439 Well, yes, you can use that information either on Jeopardy 128 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.319 or on Thursday Nights trivia nights for free pitches of 129 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.160 beer at the Orinoco. 130 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.680 But you know that was that would come in handy. 131 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.759 But yeah, maybe that's why. Maybe that's why I'm here 132 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.759 because I was really good at that, you know, the 133 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.319 memorization of facts. Man, that was my week. 134 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.560 You were unbelievable. No, Kimball, Kimball, you were freaky. No, no, 135 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.879 you you are often No, no, no, you're scary. 136 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:50.279 I mean the. 137 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:53.240 Trivia stuff, like for people Richie and I we had 138 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:58.000 a we worked at radio stations music trivia. Dude, you 139 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.720 I don't know what planet you're from. 140 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.560 I mean, you knew everybody no. 141 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.480 And some of that stuff is stuck, which is a 142 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.120 little scary. Like I'll hear a song from the sixties 143 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.879 or seventies or the eighties, and with reasonable accuracy, I 144 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.439 can not just tell you who recorded it, but how 145 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.560 high had got on the chart. Oh yeah, and maybe 146 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:17.560 who wrote it wrote it? 147 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:18.560 Oh, that's no time. 148 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.399 But I can't find my way home at night, so maybe. 149 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.360 Yeah, Well that's trade off. There's a trade off. Rich 150 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.759 Kimbell is our guest here, educator and TAKS show host, 151 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:29.800 and yes, the reason I'm all here a guy gave 152 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.279 me a job in college talking about the youth of today. Well, 153 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:39.120 you just mentioned the BS meter, and you are one 154 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:44.000 hundred percent right, because with my kids at twenty two, 155 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:49.600 in nineteen and thirteen, I can't. I can't do it, 156 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:52.959 and that they don't. They'll sniff it out on a heartbeat, 157 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.079 especially the thirteen year old. She just knows if I'm 158 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.959 full of crap, and she'll tell me. And I don't 159 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.399 know what that is. I don't where that courage came from. 160 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.519 I don't want to call it a lack of respect, 161 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.600 but I would never at that age have said something 162 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.519 to my parents or somebody else's parents or I never 163 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:16.240 would have thought that an adult was wrong, right. 164 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.199 Yeah, And that's I think the difference. I mean, I 165 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.240 think we've always kids have always had that ability to 166 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.600 see through things, but for generations you would never say anything. 167 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.240 And I'm sure there are people who view that as 168 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.759 a sign of disrespect, and it can certainly be delivered 169 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.759 in a disrespectful way. But I think it's great to 170 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.879 have young people that question, why am I, Why am 171 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.159 I learning this? Why do I have to know this? 172 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.600 How is this going to serve me going forward? Because 173 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:51.120 particularly in education, you know how it is, We've still 174 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.159 got some people and some schools that operate the way 175 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.600 they did fifty seventy five, one hundred years ago, and 176 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.840 that doesn't work for a lot of kids today. And 177 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.759 I think it's great to have young people that advocate 178 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.799 for themselves and say, I'm not sure I need to 179 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.360 know this. Could we maybe focus on some things that 180 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.840 I can actually use in college, out in my career, 181 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:16.000 whatever it might be. 182 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:17.559 Well, we want to get into some of those things. 183 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:21.399 Rich Kimboler is our guest educator and talk show hosts 184 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.159 joining me from the great state of Maide right here 185 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.320 on wbz's Nightside Gary Tangley for Dan Ray More coming 186 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:27.799 up on WBZ right after this. 187 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:30.639 Now back to. 188 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.159 Dan ray Line from the Window World. 189 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.080 Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 190 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.000 Educator talk show hosts Rich Kimball joining us here Gary 191 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.000 Tangwing and for day tonight, Richie and you can check 192 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:44.879 him out of Downtown with Rich Kimball dot com, and 193 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.320 you really should. He's got he always has some terrific 194 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:53.080 guests on there. Uh So, let's let's develop a curriculum. You, 195 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:57.039 you and I are going to educate America. Like we 196 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:01.159 talked about how they need to learn things that they 197 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.039 can apply and education has to catch up with the youth. 198 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.200 There's no doubt. And I'll give you some of my 199 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.200 thoughts coming up. But at the high school level, what 200 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.000 do you think needs to be done? What is the 201 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.720 curriculum that needs to be in place? 202 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.480 Well, the answer is I think that it's not one curriculum, 203 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.679 that it's different for everybody. We always stay in education. 204 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.840 We need to meet the students where they are. And 205 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:27.759 then I was thinking about it during the break here 206 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.679 that you know when I said kids are doing working 207 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.799 as hard as they ever did and doing well and 208 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:39.600 smart and capable, and that's true for the high flyers certainly. 209 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.759 I had a kid who graduated last year brilliant. He 210 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.799 was at Gates Foundation scholarship winner, full boat to Stanford, 211 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.639 did the Seeds of Peace program with international students. He's 212 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.000 an actor, a singer, and a songwriter. 213 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:55.919 Doing it all sounds annoying. 214 00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:00.799 Imagine doing oh very much. He was great. But we're 215 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:04.799 also finding this, and I think it was exacerbated by COVID. 216 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:08.879 All schools are seeing this around the country. Attendances dropped, 217 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.679 We're seeing more and more students who miss more school 218 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.720 and miss school on a regular basis, and I think 219 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.480 we've got to find ways to reach those students in 220 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.320 the middle that maybe don't always have a connection, that 221 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.759 don't want to go to college, aren't looking for a 222 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.679 four year degree. I know, on our school system and 223 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.360 some others in Maine, we've taken a different approach to 224 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.039 things that we started with I think five or six 225 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.159 other schools around the state something called the Construction Academy 226 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:42.440 in the summertime, where students go off and work on 227 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.360 construction sites and work with professionals in the industry, again 228 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.919 supervised by teachers, with a regular curriculum but getting some 229 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.679 real world skills. Yeah. I had a student a couple 230 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.879 of years ago who could I think he could go 231 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.000 out in the parking lot and take a part of 232 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.799 car and put it back together again. But before he 233 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.320 could start working on vocational education, you know, he had 234 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:10.399 to struggle through the regular curriculum and learn some things 235 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.799 that a he wasn't interested in and be that he 236 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.799 would struggle with. But he was brilliant in other ways. 237 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.559 But we have an outdoor education program that I think 238 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.720 teaches some groups of students more than they would ever 239 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:29.639 learn in a classroom, being independent, planning for a trip, organizing, 240 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.600 being leaders, and so I think we've got to find 241 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:36.320 different pathways for kids if we can and get them 242 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.120 there sooner. Doesn't mean you have to decide at fourteen 243 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.000 what you want to do with your life. But I 244 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.320 think we've got a lot of young people that know, hey, 245 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.679 I want to work outdoors. I'm not interested in going 246 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.080 to get a liberal arts degree somewhere. Can we point 247 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.440 them in a direction sooner, and that's also likely to 248 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.960 keep them in school and maybe cut down on the 249 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.799 number of students that drop out or just plunk out. 250 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.879 Well, there's no doubt about because I've discussed that with 251 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:03.799 people in my town and the town that I happen 252 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.039 to live in. It's assumed, which I think this is gross, 253 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.120 that every kid is going to college. And I've said 254 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.799 this to people I go that discuss me because you're 255 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:16.840 putting pressure on kids that if they don't go to college, 256 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.399 they're failures. Where if you go to trade, if you 257 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:25.159 go to a trade school, dude, you know me, I 258 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.720 can't screw in a light bulb. I can't get a plumber. 259 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:32.759 There is a need in the trades without question. Where 260 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:35.840 you don't have the school loan right you go to 261 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.639 work right away. I mean the plumber I had forever 262 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.639 before I had to find a new one. He was 263 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.080 an accountant. He went to Bentley, did it for a year, 264 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.960 hated it, but because he'd worked as a plumber in 265 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.480 the summer, just started his own plumbing business. So there's 266 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.720 a tremendous opportunity in what I would call the non 267 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:56.519 collegiate avenue. And there's a huge void to fill because 268 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.039 on the other end, rich when you have people coming 269 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:00.120 out of college. 270 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.360 There's a glot. There's too many kids and not enough jobs. 271 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.559 Well, yeah. I remember years ago I had a student 272 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.679 make a disparaging comment about one of the kids going 273 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:15.840 to the vocational school, and I said, yeah, yeah, the 274 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:20.240 big difference between between him and those people are going 275 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.279 to go get a liberal arts degree. He's going to 276 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.559 get a job when he gets out, there's no question. 277 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.679 And some others of you will have a four year 278 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.559 degree going welcome to Walmart Man, I help. 279 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:31.840 You, there's no question. And you're going to owe two 280 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.840 hundred and fifty thousand dollars in school loans if your 281 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.039 parents weren't able to pay it, and you. 282 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.159 Know, doing it non traditionally. I was a good enough 283 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.000 student in high school. I was a terrible student when 284 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.399 I started college. I hadn't really learned how to study 285 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.399 when I was in high school, and you know, as 286 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.600 you know, I was working radio and TV a million 287 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.120 hours a week. That was fun, and they were giving 288 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.120 me money, and the classes were not so fun, and 289 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.279 I was having to give them money for it. And 290 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.960 it took me a while to figure out how to 291 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:04.120 be a good college student. And it was only when 292 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.320 I went back after several years and had to finish 293 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.519 up my degree to become a teacher at twenty nine. 294 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.360 I was a good college student at eighteen. I wasn't. 295 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.679 And it's not for everybody, and not everybody is ready 296 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:17.519 at that age. 297 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.639 Well, the value of college is always a huge debate, 298 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:25.000 and it's becoming one now because it's so damn expensive 299 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:29.120 where you have universities that are charging eighty ninety thousand 300 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:30.720 dollars a year, and I look at it even in 301 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:32.879 my own household, and I'm like, wait a minute, Wait 302 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:33.879 a minute, wait a minute. 303 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.720 Well, yeah, we always used to say, you know, being 304 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.759 having a college degree can add a million dollars to 305 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:42.720 your income over the course of your life. But if 306 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:48.399 you spend three hundred to five hundred thousand dollars on college, 307 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.679 now you go in debt, and of course your interest 308 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:53.600 is going to make it much higher than that, and 309 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:57.759 you've delayed your earning by four or five years. I'm 310 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.639 not sure who makes out better in that deal. 311 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:01.799 Yeah, No, I mean, and I've had I've had this 312 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.080 discussion with administrators because I am teaching at Emerson. When 313 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.720 I teach at Emerson, I told them, look, I'm not 314 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.879 an out of the book guy. Now I do have 315 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.000 some intro courses this semester, so it's going to be 316 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.240 a little more elementary because the kids they're freshmen and 317 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:20.000 you need that. You need a base, right. But I 318 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.600 teach based on my experience, and the kids also teach 319 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.440 me because I'll tell you rich when you go in 320 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.360 and they say, well, Gary, you've been on TV and 321 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.559 blah blah blah blah blahlah blah blah blah, and then 322 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.639 I you know, twenty five out of the twenty seven 323 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.200 students don't listen to radio. 324 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:36.879 They don't really care. 325 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.039 You know, do you have a TikTok account, mister tangwy, 326 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:42.519 I go never when don't. 327 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:42.960 Come each time? 328 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.399 There are people that don't listen to radio. What is this? 329 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:46.879 Yeah? 330 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.919 Yeah, I mean look even I mean at WBZ, I know, 331 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.559 I know I'll take crap for this, but our podcast, 332 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:53.279 I mean this. 333 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.120 I always say to build my boss. Here I go. 334 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.159 We do this show so you can upload it and 335 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.679 people can listen to when they want. 336 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.319 I mean, that's yeah, that's what we do. 337 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:06.799 That's what you do days, right. 338 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.000 I mean, that's what you do. That's what we do. 339 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.200 I mean people might be listening to me now, but 340 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.480 they're going to be also listening tomorrow when they're on 341 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.480 the treadmill or whatever. That's that's just the way of 342 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.359 the world right now. So you know, even as a teacher, 343 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.440 I have to get up to speed with it. And 344 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.480 you know, when you look at the price of college, 345 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.039 you know, it's a big debate. Man, it's a do 346 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:31.480 you go into debt? And the thing that still hasn't 347 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:35.799 changed for the networking and also if you're not a 348 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.720 trades person and you do want to do certain things, 349 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.799 you still need the college degree because you have to 350 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:43.519 prove that you. 351 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:44.720 Have the aptitude to do it. 352 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.480 I mean that that hasn't changed, correct, I mean you're 353 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.759 not walking into corporate America without a degree. 354 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.200 No. But I think we need to put more funding 355 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.440 into things like community college programs where it can be 356 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.359 affordable and where students can go for a couple of 357 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.079 years or so. Did you know, Well, I think you 358 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.400 probably did. But I know a lot of people when 359 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.640 they start college, they don't know what they want to do. 360 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.519 I think i'd change majors about four times. If you 361 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.799 can go to community college for a couple of years 362 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.200 and until you've got a bit more direction, transfer some 363 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.039 of those credits and then go to a four year school. 364 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.279 But to make it more affordable and more reasonable for people. 365 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.759 And I think, you know, particularly state universities find a 366 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:29.200 way to bring tuition back into the ballpark where where 367 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.680 middle income people can afford that and not have to 368 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:32.519 be in debt until there. 369 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.240 For you, well, it all comes down to what I've 370 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.480 experienced riches, It all comes down to it's the networking. 371 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:40.519 I've talked to parents. Now, I go, why are you 372 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.319 paying X to go to any They'll say the network. 373 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.680 You know, I've experienced somewhat with my kids in some 374 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.880 levels where their their school background. I won't get into specifics, 375 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.839 but because of where they went, there's a. 376 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:01.240 Huge there's a huge wall street like an action, you know. 377 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.000 And I'm like, do I have to pay two hundred 378 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.759 twenty fifty thousand dollars or whatever so my kid can 379 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.720 get an internship? And some will say yes, or to 380 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.240 get your foot in the door? You know that. 381 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:14.079 Well now I used to say, and maybe maybe it's 382 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:16.799 not true anymore. I used to say to students that 383 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.200 college is all about you. If you're getting a bachelor's degree, 384 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:24.039 it's what you put into it. You can get a 385 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.960 great education at a whole lot of places. A state 386 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.680 school or an IVY League school. And I don't know 387 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.079 that a lot of employers maybe they do now, I 388 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.599 don't know that a lot of employers differentiate when they 389 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.039 see those applications come in and go, oh, oh you 390 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:44.000 went you went there? Okay for a master's degree. Yes, 391 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.279 where you're really honing in on something specific that you 392 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.960 want to study, then I can see it making a difference. 393 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:55.599 Maybe that's changed. I don't honestly know if that's the 394 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:56.400 case anymore. 395 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.440 My experience as a parent of dealing with education is 396 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.960 the IVY do matter. H don't matter if you want. 397 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:03.559 To go to law school. 398 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.599 They they do still have some weight, But that's it 399 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:10.079 as far as I'm concerned. 400 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.519 Maybe some nest cat schools. 401 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:16.359