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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the deep dive. Today we're diving into cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 1>and well more specifically the practice of vulnerability management. You've

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<v Speaker 1>all shared some fascinating stuff with us, Oh yeah, most

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<v Speaker 1>notably this book, Practical Vulnerability Management. It's by Andrew magnuson.

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<v Speaker 2>A strategic approach to managing cyber risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get ready to impress all your colleagues with your

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<v Speaker 1>cybersecurity know how after this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just knowing the lingo though, it's about the

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<v Speaker 2>strategy behind.

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<v Speaker 1>It all exactly, And well, that's what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>unpack today. Let's just start with the basics. What exactly

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<v Speaker 1>is vulnerability management?

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<v Speaker 2>Vulnerability management it's about finding and addressing proactively weaknesses in

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<v Speaker 2>your systems before attackers can exploit them. Okay, think of

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<v Speaker 2>it like a regular health checkup, you know, for your

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<v Speaker 2>digital infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just reacting to incidents as they happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. It's about getting ahead of the curve

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<v Speaker 2>and minimizing risk. Magnison. He makes a compelling argument here

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<v Speaker 2>or that vulnerability management is about asking, you know, given

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<v Speaker 2>limited resources, how can we how can we best improve

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<v Speaker 2>our security?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that it acknowledges that well, that that no

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<v Speaker 1>organization has unlimited time or money right right? Or staff? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to make strategic decisions about where to

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<v Speaker 1>focus your efforts. But how do different resource constraints actually

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<v Speaker 1>affect those decisions?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. Let's say you're you're a small

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<v Speaker 2>business and you've got a limited budget. You might prioritize

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<v Speaker 2>patching vulnerabilities that are you know, actively being exploited, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, accept some risk in areas that are

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<v Speaker 2>less likely to be targeted. So the balancing act precisely

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<v Speaker 2>a larger organization, they might they might have more resources,

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<v Speaker 2>they might take a more comprehensive approach, invest in advanced

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<v Speaker 2>security tools or dedicated staff. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. So it's not one size fits all.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's the process, like, how do you actually go

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<v Speaker 1>about managing these vulnerabilities?

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a cyclical flow to it, often referred to

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<v Speaker 2>as the vulnerability man life cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh life cycle, I love a good framework. Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 2>So it all starts with collecting data all about your systems.

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<v Speaker 2>What software are you running, what are the known vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 2>in that software? And and where are your systems located

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<v Speaker 2>on the network?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So it's taking inventory of your digital assets. But

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<v Speaker 1>where do you Where do you get all this information?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a few key sources. First you need you

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<v Speaker 2>need asset information tools like end map. It's a network

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<v Speaker 2>scanning tool. It can act like a like a digital bloodhound,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sniffing out devices and services on your network.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's creating a comprehensive map of your your digital

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<v Speaker 1>landscape exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, you need vulnerability information. Okay, that's where resources like

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<v Speaker 2>the the CVE database come in.

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<v Speaker 1>CVE remind me of that sandswear again, sense.

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<v Speaker 2>You're common vulnerabilities and exposures. It's it's this giant catalog

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<v Speaker 2>of publicly disclosed security vulnerabilities, right, each with its own

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<v Speaker 2>unique IDA, and the CVE database gives you all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of information about each vulnerability, you know, from its severity

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<v Speaker 2>to how it can be exploited.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a one stop shop for understanding what

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<v Speaker 1>weaknesses are.

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<v Speaker 2>Out Yeah, exactly, and it can be surprisingly detailed. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>remember heart bleed, Yeah, that major vulnerability back in twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's CVE page. It has over one hundred references.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a lot of information for just one vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 2>It highlights the scale of the challenge, right, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just about knowing that the vulnerabilities exist. You also

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<v Speaker 2>need to know which ones are actively being exploit right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where exploit data comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Exploit data. Okay, this is starting to sound a little scary.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be, yeah, but knowledge is power, right. The

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<v Speaker 2>exploit database another valuable resource. It's a database of publicly

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<v Speaker 2>disclosed exploits. By staying on top of exploit data, you

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<v Speaker 2>can prioritize your efforts based on real world threats.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like knowing which vulnerabilities are actually weaponized in

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<v Speaker 1>the wild precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>And beyond these core sources, you have, you know, more

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<v Speaker 2>advanced options like threat intelligence feeds, which are curated news

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<v Speaker 2>feeds from cybersecurity experts.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like having your own personal cybersecurity advisor in

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but you know they can be expensive, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>not always necessary for every organization.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got all this data from these different sources.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do with it? How does it translate

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<v Speaker 1>into action?

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<v Speaker 2>That's where vulnerability scanning comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, vulnerability scanning, I'm ready to get technical vulnerability scanning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's using automated tools to probe your systems for weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a digital health checkup. But before you start scanning,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to think about scanner placement.

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<v Speaker 1>Scanner replacement, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The location of your scanner within your network, it matters.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's on a different network segment, It's traffic might

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<v Speaker 2>get blocked by routers or firewalls.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like sending a letter. You need the right

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<v Speaker 1>address for it to get delivered exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>There are different types of scanners too. Some are dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>appliances you know you just plug in others, or software

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<v Speaker 2>applications you install on your own servers.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like choosing between a pre built computer and

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<v Speaker 1>building your own precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's there's open vas, a great open source vulnerability scanner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a popular choice for organizations with with limited budgets.

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<v Speaker 1>Free is always good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's derived from a commercial scanner called Nessus. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>even without all the bells and whistles, it's still a

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<v Speaker 2>powerful tool.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any downsides to using open vas?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it might not have as comprehensive vulnerability coverage as

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<v Speaker 2>commercial scanners, and the user interface can be a bit clunky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Magnusin he suggests that if if you have like a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars or more to spend, consider upgrading to a

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<v Speaker 2>commercial scanner like NESSUS or Qualities.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a trade off. You get what you pay for,

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless of which scanner you choose, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>configure it properly.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you need to tailor the scanner to your your

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<v Speaker 2>specific environment. Think about things like the speed of the probes,

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<v Speaker 2>the types of tests to run, and how to handle

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just a matter of pointing and clicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Not quite.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to test your configuration in a safe environment first,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, either a test network or a small portion

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<v Speaker 2>can start thinking about automation.

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<v Speaker 1>Automation. Now you're talking. I love anything that can make

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<v Speaker 1>my life easier.

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<v Speaker 2>And in vulnerability management, automation can be a real life saver,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with all this data coming in from various sources.

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<v Speaker 2>You can use scripting languages like Python or Bash to

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<v Speaker 1>Scripting that sounds a bit intimidating, it can.

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<v Speaker 2>Seem that way, but it's a powerful way to streamline

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<v Speaker 2>repetitive tasks, you know, like scanning, reporting, and even even

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<v Speaker 2>database maintenance.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've covered the vulnerability management life cycle, the

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<v Speaker 1>different sources of data, vulnerable ability scanning, and even touched

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<v Speaker 1>on automation. But let's say you've done all the hard

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<v Speaker 1>work of identifying vulnerabilities in your system. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we get into the nitty gritty of dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with vulnerabilities, and it's more nuanced than you might think.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling it's not as simple as just

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the patch everything button.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, patching is important, right, but it's not always

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<v Speaker 2>the only solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm intrigued. Let's unpack that in part two of

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<v Speaker 1>our deep dive.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've identified the vulnerabilities, now the question is what

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that patching isn't always the only answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that, Well, patching is like getting a flu shot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the best way to prevent getting sick, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes it's not feasible to patch right away.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some reasons why patching might not be immediately possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the patch hasn't been released yet, or the patch

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<v Speaker 2>could break something else in the system.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe there are just too many vulnerabilities to patch all.

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<v Speaker 2>At once exactly, have to prioritize, and that's where that's

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<v Speaker 2>where mitigation strategies come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitigation, I think I'm starting to get a grasp on

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<v Speaker 1>that concept. Yeah, but tell me more about what specific

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<v Speaker 1>mitigation strategies look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of mitigation like like wearing a mask during flu season.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's not fool proof, yeah, but it reduces

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<v Speaker 2>your chances of getting sick. Similarly, mitigation and cybersecurity is

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<v Speaker 2>about about reducing the risk of exploitation when patching isn't feasible.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great analogy. So how do you actually go

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<v Speaker 1>about mitigating these vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on the specific vulnerability, right. You could you

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<v Speaker 2>could configure firewalls to block traffic to vulnerable ports. You

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<v Speaker 2>could disable unnecessary services or implement you know, strong authentication mechanisms.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's about making it harder for attackers to get

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<v Speaker 1>in even if they even if they know about the vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about layered defense exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's where it gets really interesting. Let's say you've

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<v Speaker 2>you've identified a critical vulnerabilit and you need to take action. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you get everyone on board?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, the human element. It's one thing to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>technical side, but getting people to actually implement these security measures,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a whole other challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me. It requires understanding organizational support and navigating

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<v Speaker 2>office politics right, right, You have to communicate the risks

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<v Speaker 2>effectively and gain buy in from all the stakeholders.

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<v Speaker 1>Stakeholders give me an example.

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<v Speaker 2>Think think system administrators, application owners, even executives. They might

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<v Speaker 2>all have different priorities and.

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<v Speaker 1>Different levels of understanding when it comes to cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. System administrators they might be focused on keeping everything

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<v Speaker 2>running smoothly. Application owners might be worried about functionality, while

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<v Speaker 2>executives are focused on the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to speak your language.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to understand their perspective and their concerns and

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<v Speaker 2>address them in a way that makes sense to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Magnuson he emphasizes this in his book. You Know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not about dictating orders, it's about working together to find solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes a lot of sense. It's about collaboration, not confrontation.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and risk management it plays a crucial role in communication.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to be able to explain the risks associated

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<v Speaker 2>with not addressing a vulnerability. Magnuson actually provides a simple

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<v Speaker 2>formula for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, a formula, I'm intrigued. He says that risk likelihood

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that seems straightforward enough, But how do you apply

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<v Speaker 2>that formula in a real world scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you've discovered a vulnerability in a database server

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<v Speaker 1>that could allow attackers to steal sensitive customer data.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a nightmare scenario, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So first, we consider the likelihood, right, it's a if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a well known vulnerability with publicly available exploits, the

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<v Speaker 1>So in this scenario, both the likelihood and the cost

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<v Speaker 1>are high. Yeah, which means the risk is is very.

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<v Speaker 2>High exactly, and when you present it this way people

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<v Speaker 1>I like that visual aids can be so powerful in

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<v Speaker 1>communicating complex ideas. This is this is all incredibly helpful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes me think about the bigger picture. What's

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<v Speaker 2>Vulnerability management is a constantly evolving field and there are

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<v Speaker 1>The cloud. It seems like everything is moving to the

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<v Speaker 2>it also presents unique challenges for vulnerability management. Like what

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<v Speaker 1>Scan them, so it's like trying to hit a moving

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the issue of shared responsibility right security

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like vulnerability management in the cloud it

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Another trend is the rise of container okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>So how do containers impact vulnerability management?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, containers are often built from from pre existing images

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<v Speaker 1>So it's even more important to scan those containers for vulnerabilities, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And you also need to think about securing the container

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<v Speaker 2>orchestration platform, you know, which manages all those containers.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it containers the cloud. It seems like the future

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, and there's there's one more trend I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>Zero trust networking, What is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Traditionally, network security has been based on the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>So zero trust is about acknowledging that the bad guys

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<v Speaker 2>Zero trust assumes that every device, every user, and every

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a much more stringent approach to security.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, you know, it reduces the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>How does zero trust impact vulnerability management? Specifically?

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<v Speaker 2>It means you need a granular understanding of your assets.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to know not just what devices you have,

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a lot of information to keep track.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, but it's essential for effective vulnerability management and

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<v Speaker 2>a zero trust environment. You might even you might even

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<v Speaker 2>Google has been using a zero trust model internally for years,

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond Corp Okay, I have to look into that. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like vulnerability management is as much about adapting to

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right. The threat landscape is constantly evolving and

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerability management needs to evolve along with it. But the

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental principles they remain the same, and those are understanding

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<v Speaker 2>your assets, assessing risks, and taking action to mitigate those risks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an ongoing process, you know, a continuous cycle of assessment, mitigation,

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<v Speaker 1>So vulnerability management is a marathon, not a strength. But

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<v Speaker 1>is it, is there anything else from the book that

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<v Speaker 1>you think would be helpful for our listener to know?

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<v Speaker 2>So, Magnuson, he actually provides a really helpful blueprint okay,

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<v Speaker 2>for building a practical vulnerability management system like from scratch.

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<v Speaker 2>He walks you through like choosing the right operating system

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds a bit intimidating for someone who's not a programmer,

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<v Speaker 2>But Magnuson he explains it all in a plain English okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He even he even provides sample scripts that you can

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And the best part is once you have the system

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<v Speaker 1>Music to my ears. Yeah, but let's back up a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some of the essential tools you need for

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we we already talked about OPENVS, which is which

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<v Speaker 2>is great for vulnerability scanning, right, but you'll you'll also

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<v Speaker 2>For ex Sample is a powerful network scanning tool that

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<v Speaker 1>It's like having a direct line to that vulnerability encyclopedia

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a virtual firing range where you can

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, you can simulate real world attacks and see how

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds incredibly valuable. Yeah, but on you. Once you

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<v Speaker 1>have the tools, what's the actual process? How do you

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<v Speaker 2>Magnuson He outlines a clear six step workflow. Okay, first

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where you and that's where you put those

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Then you import that data into a into a

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<v Speaker 2>called Mango dB. It's designed too to handle large volumes

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where the that's where the data crunching begins.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the next step is to analyze the data. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you can use Mango DB's query language to to search

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<v Speaker 2>for specific vulnerabilities, identify trends, and prioritize your efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>Prioritization sounds key, You can't. You can't tackle everything at once.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Once you've once you've analyzed the data, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate your findings. Okay, that's where reporting comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Magnisin Heap provides scripts for creating both asset reports and

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<v Speaker 1>You can share your insights with the rest of the team. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and even with those stakeholders we talked.

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<v Speaker 2>About earlier exactly. And the final step is to is

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<v Speaker 2>to automate the process as much as possible. Magnuson even

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<v Speaker 1>Dot sh in the book, so you can set it

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not exactly right. You know, you still need to

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<v Speaker 2>monitor the system and make adjustments as needed, but automation

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<v Speaker 2>can can save you a lot of time and effort

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<v Speaker 1>It all seems so so manageable when you break it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that, it really is. And remember you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be a security expert to implement this. Magnesence book.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes it accessible to anyone who's who's willing to

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<v Speaker 1>It's empowering. Really, it gives me the tools to take

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of the key takeaways from our

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive today. Vulnerability management isn't just for big enterprises

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<v Speaker 2>with massive security budgets. Some thing any organization, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>It's about shifting from a from a reactive mindset to

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<v Speaker 2>One exactly, and and Magnuson's book it provides the roadmap

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<v Speaker 2>to to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been such an insightful deep dive. It has

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<v Speaker 1>We've we've covered so much ground, from from the technical

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<v Speaker 1>urging trends. To our listener, we hope you found this

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<v Speaker 1>this deep dive into practical vulnerability management informative and inspiring. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>cybersecurity is an ongoing journey, not a destination. Keep learning,

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<v Speaker 1>keep adapting, and stay vigilant.