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Speaker 1: I would like to.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the program Terry Donovan. She is the Republican
nominee for mayor of Charlotte. Early voting starts today, so
I'm sure she's actually pretty busy today, so I appreciate
her making time to join us.
Speaker 1: Terry, how are you welcome?
Speaker 3: Happy? I'm doing well? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right myself.
Speaker 2: So i'd imagine you got a pretty jam packed schedule,
are you like bouncing around early voting sites and such today?
Speaker 3: Yes, I've got a pretty jam packed last thirty days,
that's for sure. More so than that, then, today is
definitely a bit chaotic. And I've got an event tonight
and another event to stop by before that event. So
it's a little it's a little crazy, but I definitely
wanted to come on and say hello.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And when I reached out to you and I said, oh,
why don't you know come on? And then I was like, oh,
it's actually the first day of early voting, so she
might not be able to swing it. So I do
appreciate you coming on, so tell me, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: We want I absolutely want to. I've got a great
team of people out there for me, so I'm good.
Speaker 2: So tell people a little bit about yourself. You're a
small business owner. What's the what is that small business?
And why did you decide to dip your toes into
the political waters.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been in real estate in Charlotte since two
thousand and I've just seen, you know a lot of
owned a few different companies in my lifetime, but most recently,
you know, I'm in real estate. I'm a real estate broker,
so I've sull real estate here for years and I
just can't sit back and watch what's happening our city anymore.
It's just as awful. And I have I hear from
my clients every day and people just don't feel safe
in their neighborhoods anymore. And that was the main reason
I decided to step up and get involved. I mean,
we hear people complain and complain and complain every day,
and we've got to stop that. We've got to step
up and actually do something. So that's why I'm here.
Speaker 2: So and I did read I read the op ed
I guess that you wrote for I saw it at
the Daily Caller. And this was back in September, after
the murder of Arena Zarutska. Were you already considering a
run before that murder or did that?
Speaker 1: Did that prompt it?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, I actually filed on the very
last day on the deadline, which was July nineteenth. So
I filed on July nineteenth to run. Arena Zarutska was.
Speaker 1: Murdered on August twenty second.
Speaker 3: Second, Yeah, which was horrific. And you know, I'll be honest.
I mean after that incident, everything really escalated. I mean,
just the level of seriousness of everything in our city. Obviously,
we've got national media attention, and it's just a horrific
reason to have it, terrible reason to have all of
this negative publicity on Charlotte right now. But you know,
it is really shining a light on a lot of
things that were broken in our city, and safety being one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you attribute the brokenness to? What
broke it?
Speaker 3: Well, I think for starters, these cash list bail programs
that we've been doing here in Charlotte are just not working.
I mean, we've got people walking around on our streets
that have been arrested more than thirty times. You know,
we've got I spoke to a police officer last week
that arrested the same guy twice in one day. How
is that even possible? People hear these things and you know,
just like I did before, I would think, oh, you know,
that's just an exaggeration. There's no way that can be true.
But you know what, don't even believe me, Go find
out for yourself. Get involved. It is true and it
is absolutely happening. And right now, what's happening in our
city is it's absolutely it's just unacceptable and it has
got to stop. People do not feel safe in their neighborhoods.
People don't feel safe sending their kids to school, and
we have got to turn this city around. We can't
have what's happening in our you know, Uptown. Uptown, the
murder rate is up two hundred percent. Since I have
been involved and signed up for this, I now have
people sending me things that are happening and that they're
dealing with on a daily basis. You know, a lot
of things aren't even being reported on local media. And
what I'm hearing from them is that they can't get
to all of the stories because there's so many of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and for people who are who don't know
how media operates, like especially TV news, you get assigned
a story. If you're a reporter, you get a story.
You got to turn a story a day, and so
I mean, just do the math on that. If you've
got two or three crimes occurring every single day, you
have to make choices on what to go cover.
Speaker 3: Exactly. And unfortunately, that's what started to happen here, is
that people are almost becoming numb to it because it
happens every day now. I mean, we just had a murder, homicide,
we had a shooting, and a woman died in South Park, Yeah,
and her parking garage when she was leaving for work
that morning. And you know, I'm not you just can
hardly process one thing before you're hearing of another one
the night after that, I think it was there was
a girl on her scooter over near is it Fin
and Fino that restaurant and she is pushed off of
her scooter by a deranged homeless man, ends up, you know, injured,
and you know, where's the reporting on that? I mean,
we're living in some dangerous, dangerous times, and I know
there's a crime report that just came out. In certain stats,
they're saying that have gone down, but you know, we
need to look at our murder rate. Our murder rate
uptown is up over two hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was going over in the last hour.
Overall crime reported for the first nine months of the
year down eight percent, violent crime down twenty percent when
compared to last year first nine months. But like I
always take a longer view of it, like, well, what's
the trend from the previous five to ten years, because
just being down year over year while good, don't get
me wrong, that is good, but that's only that, that's
just one marker, you know, Like, because we saw a
massive jump in crime in twenty twenty, so are we
pre pandemic levels yet? Are were are we going back
to like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, Have we gotten back
down to those lows? But there also seems to be
sort of an acceptance. You said that we've gotten numb
to it. I completely agree. It's like there's this idea that, oh, well,
you know, if you're going to live in the city
and you know Charlotte's now, you know, top twenty market,
So therefore we just have to accept a level of
violence because that's what living in a city means. And
I don't I don't accept that. I just don't accept
that that has to be the case.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, is that what we want
is that what we want? I mean, is that how
we want our kids to grow up? Is that how
we want to you know, what kind of business can
drive in that environment? Uptown? I'm hearing some business owners
that are closing their restaurants every week. I mean, they
can't find employees to work because the employees don't feel
safe walking from their car to work. Yeah, it's unaccessible,
It's absolutely unacceptable. It's just we've got to focus on this.
We've got to clean up this city, and that is
an absolute top priority. That is the main That is
the main reason I'm decided to get involved. I just
can't sit back and watch this anymore.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you're aware.
Speaker 2: In North Carolina, Uh, the mayor is a weak position
when it comes to actually, you know, voting on things
and such. So what can a mayor do with regard
to crime. It's a council manager form of government a lot.
You know, the mayor's got virtually no real authority. You
can't you can't force the judicial branch to behave So
what exactly can you do as mayor if you win?
Speaker 3: You're exactly right. Uh, And I'm so glad you brought
that point up. And I will say this, that's why
it's never been more important, ever been more important. We
need to vote like our life depends on it. There
are eleven city council members. Nine of them right now
are Democrats, to are Republicans. We have some new candidates
running this year. Every single one of these candidates that's
running on the Republican ticket needs to win. We've got
to get them in and if we can do that,
we can turn this whole city around. We've got to
have fresh new people on city council. We've got to
have new ideas. We've just gotten There's a lot of
questionable things that have happened to as far as transparency go.
Here's what will change on day one. Immediately, attitude, attitude,
and acknowledgement. We are going to acknowledge that we have
a public safety issue. People are not safe now, Businesses
are not able to thrive. This is the heart of
our city, our entertainment district, our hospitality district. I'm hearing
from you know, panther players, I'm hearing from you Just
won't believe the number of people contacting me right now.
I mean, this city is hurting. Do not have anybody
acknowledging that we have an issue? Instead, what we have
is we keep hearing the same old, same old narrative. Oh,
the crime stats are down, and you know we do
have a mental health crisis in this country and we
really need to focus on more mental health solutions. Well,
you're right, we do have a mental health issue in
this country. Everybody needs therapy right now. I wonder why
we've got to do both. But until we figure that
side out, we can't just have deranged Olympics running around
on our streets attacking people. One of the people working
on my campaign that lives uptown very close to the stadium.
Last night was texting me around midnight he got he
almost got attacked last night by another you know person
all tweaked out on whatever drug he was on, had
a piece of glass in his hands and said he
was going to stab him. This just happened last night.
You know, there were reports and I don't even know
if you all have heard about it yet, but there
were reports last night of a man walking down Tryon
Street threatening people and trying to attack people.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you also because you touched
on something there about this, about the narratives. But I
got to take a break. Terry Donovan can hang on
a moment. I'm going to put you on hold here.
We'll bring her back. Terry Donovan the Republican nominee for
the mayor of Charlotte. She's running in the election. Early
voting starts today. By the way, her website Terryfoor Charlotte
dot com. And that's T E R R I E
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are talking with Terry Donovan. She's the Republican candidate for
Charlotte Mayer and Terry. Before the break there you mentioned
we were talking about crime. This is the focus I think, right,
the focus of your campaign seems like it.
Speaker 3: Well, is what prompted me to step up and get
involved in a you know that I had never considered before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and so, and I mean, look, it's a
topic I think that a lot of people relate to
and that personal experience with I got an email here
from Ron who is from rock Hill but says he
has been a Broadway Lights series season ticket holder for
twenty five plus years, coming into Uptown to watch the
plays and they would go and walk a couple of
blocks to get a quick drink and a snack before
or after the show. But he says the last time
they did that, they had to walk through a gauntlet
of homeless people and aggressive panhandlers. And now they just
make a b line back to the car because they
don't feel safe walking around. And this gets to this narrative.
Council Member Malcolm Graham is quoted in a Queen City
News article as saying, if you don't feel safe, you're
not safe. And too many of the citizens throughout the
city aren't feeling safe. And like this narrative that I
keep hearing from city leadership is like, oh, it's the
perception of being insecure and unsafe, as if like we
are somehow delusional in that, Oh we feel this way,
but that's not really the case.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, all I can say is that
they just chose to how tone death they are. I mean,
get out and talk to people, go walk up town
and when the last time they actually walked uptown and
walked into the businesses and spoke to business owners and
spoke to all the bar owners. People are not thriving
in their businesses anymore. Like I said, they're even having
a hard time hiring people because the employees are scared
to walk from the car to the office. I mean,
it's just it's out of control. And for them to
come out and say, oh, there's no issue here, nothing
to see here, you know, people, it's just their perception.
What a cruck wowy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: While they're unveiling their safety plans to increase police presence
in center city, right, so it's p so that's why
they're going to put more cops on the streets and such.
Did you did you see the their safety plan that
they rolled out about two weeks ago or I guess
I am.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Well? You know, first of all, I commend them for
making an effort and at least a step in the
right direction, So kudos on that, and you know, let's see.
But all I can say is, you know, I was
just uptown last Friday. I had an event there last Friday,
and I can tell you I did not see any
signs of any more police officers on the streets. I mean,
we need armed, you know, CMPD officers on the streets.
That's the only way to clean this up. We've got
to fund CMPD. They're understaffed, they're underfunded. I think they
are doing this thing now where they've got what they
call public safety awareness officers. It looks like, you know,
people wearing orange vests that say safety Awareness Officers on it.
I'm not sure if these people, you know, go around
giving hugs to people in need or what. But that's
not the answer. We need armed officers on our streets,
and that's the solution that we need right now. I mean, now,
do I believe that we need other options, that we
also need to look at root causes of all these
issues and obviously come up with other solutions there. But
in the meantime, the answer is not to let these
lunatics roam around attacking people. Like I said, Peter Classic,
that's working on my campaign at the moment. He was
attacked last night. I mean he had to call nine
to one one last night. Last time I heard from
him around midnight. It had taken the police officer. He
had waited thirty minutes before anybody even came. And that's
what we're having, you know, to deal with now when
you call the police, now you can't even get them.
And so all these people who want to push the
narrative that everything's fine, you know, and that people are
just it's their perception, you know, that's great. What are
you going to do when it's your child? What are
you going to do when it's your kid? And that's
what I want them to think about. They've got to
acknowledge that we have an issue, and they're not doing that.
There are is no longer this is no longer an
issue over Republicans or Democrats. It's not a matter of that.
It's a matter of common sense or delusion.
Speaker 2: There are other there are other issues that the city
is facing. And if you don't mind, can we keep
you for another segment? And I want to go into
some other topics with you real quick after the news. Sure, okay,
Great Terry Donovan is with me. She is the Republican
candidate for mayor of Charlotte again her website Terryford Charlotte
dot com.
Speaker 1: We'll have more with her in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Final segment here with Terry Donovan. She is the Republican
nominee for Mayor of Charlotte, running for mayor, trying to
unseat the incumbent by Liles. Her website Terry for Charlotte
dot com. So we talked about crime. I want to
ask you a couple of questions about other things that
the city is dealing with. Number One, the transit referendum,
I think is kind of tied to the crime issue,
but there's big push for people to increase the sales
tax by one cent. Are you in favor of the
sales tax referendum? Are you endorsing it or are you
opposing it?
Speaker 3: You just said transit right, transit tax.
Speaker 1: Yes, the transit reference, yeah, the referendum.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, I do not support that. How can we
propose a transit tax when people are worried about getting
murdered on our transit I don't support that yet. We
don't even need to bring that up yet. We need
to table that conversation for later after we clean up
this city and make it safe again.
Speaker 2: You talk about, and you mentioned it earlier, about transparency
as well. So how do you if you if you
win your mayor, how do you improve transparency? Are there
any concrete steps that you want to take?
Speaker 3: Well, we just can't have deals being made behind closed
doors any longer. If we're going to be doing things
like that. I mean, obviously, how can the public trust
anyone with tax pier funds it's going to make closed
door deals, you know. We can't have that. Yeah, not tolerated.
Speaker 2: So you coming from the real estate background as well,
you know, housing big problem, housing shortage, the high prices
of housing. No starter homes are getting built, it seems anymore,
by anybody anywhere. So how do you how do you
help address the affordability issue of housing in Charlotte.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing that we've heard just all talk,
all talk, all talk on for so long, you know,
affordable housing. And I know firsthand that we have an
issue with that. I mean, when we have listings that
have thirty offers in a weekend, there's a problem. So
it needs to be addressed. And we've got to collaborate
with the right people and bring the right developers to
the table. That's the good thing. I do have several
relationships with the right people to collaborate, bring them to
the table, and actually make true affordable housing happen, because
right now we do not have it. What we have
is we've created a city where people can't even afford
to buy homes. People are being forced to rent, and
so you know, people just don't have options to even
live within city limits.
Speaker 1: So how do you how does the city drive down
that price?
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, you've got to bring the right
developers to the table and make those decisions, bring creative
solutions that we haven't thought of yet. There's so many
things that we can do that just haven't been done yet.
It's a matter of collaborating with the right people. I
think there are a lot of just relationships that are
in place right now that might not be personal relationships
between city council members and so forth. Not necessarily what's
best for the public, but what's best for their pockets.
Speaker 2: Right If the issue is starter homes, right those are
it seems like that's the issue. You've got a lot
of apartments that are sort of filling that gap right
now because people can't afford the homes that are getting
built that are brand new and they're running you know,
three hundred and fifty to and above the You know,
there always used to be sort of this stock of
starter homes. Why aren't those getting built anymore? Is that
a regulatory framework? If so, do you do you know
of like what types of regulations that the city imposes
could be wound down in order to incentivize builders, because
they're like, they've got to make a profit, right, So
you can't ask them to build a bunch of homes
and then lose money on the project. So how do
you how do you address the regulatory framework.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a press for that. We've got to
make it a priority and absolutely just make that a
top priority where it hasn't been before. But like I said,
for me, going back to the public safety issue, nothing
else matters and nothing else will fall into place until
we have a safe city. We've got to fix that.
We've got to clean up this city. People don't even
want to move to certain areas right now because they
don't feel safe. Not to mention values, property values on
people's homes. What's that doing to property values right now?
You know, we've got to clean up uptown. It just
absolutely has to happen.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned in your at your website under the
category of infrastructure, you say delayed projects and bureaucratic red
tape only hold us back. So what kinds of red
tape do you think are holding us back in the
infrastructure category?
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, the mayor alone isn't going to
have the power to change things in that regard. We've
got to get the new city council members that are
running right now on there, and if we can do that,
we can accomplish a lot without that, though, my hands
are going to be somewhat tied. So we've got to
make sure early voting open today. We do have five
days of early voting only at one location, which is uptown,
the how Marshall Center. But we do need to get
our at large candidates direct you know elected. One is
me Son kim Ed Peacock District three. James Bowers absolutely
he needs to get on. He's got to win Christa
Bakari District six. And then I know the school board
members that are running as well, Wan Hill District two,
Build Fountain District one, Lisa Kline District Fine, District five,
and Justin's Chile District six. We've got to clean this
city up, and I can tell you the best chance
that we're going to stand is getting every single one
of these candidates elected this November. And now, like I said,
uptown is the only location open right now for the
first five days. But we've got to get every single
one of these people on there. We've got to shake
up what's been going on in our city, and the
only way to do that is to get these new voices,
these new people who are not career politicians on city council.
If we just continue with the status quo, which is
what we've had going on in Charlotte for years, which
is how we got here. Then the truth is is
that I'm going to be able to change very little.
So without having these new members elected, my hands are
going to be somewhat tied. We've got to have the
right city council members on city council and then we
can accomplish everything we need to accomplish.
Speaker 2: So obviously, you know the voter demographics here. Democrats have
like forty two percent of the party affiliation, unaffiliated's forty
one percent, and Republicans only seventeen percent. So how do
you overcome those demographics?
Speaker 3: Hey, look, here's the thing. We are not even talking
about Republicans versus Democrats anymore at all. I mean, for me,
I've got plenty of Democrat friends. I mean, my best
friend's a Democrat, right, her husband's are Republican votes Democrat,
and don't ask me how they live together, but they do.
And I've got several neighbors that are Democrats, and guess look,
we hang out and we can have dinner together. We
get along. Everybody wants the same thing. We've got these
people that are so far right and so far left.
But I think that the majority of us live somewhere
in the middle. Not any of us agree with everything
on the right or everything on the left. So we've
got to acknowledge that and just start bridging the gap.
It's just no longer a race about Democrats versus Republicans.
It's more about good versus evil. You know, when you
look at what's happening in our judicial system right now, especially,
you know these people who are arrested thirty plus times.
How is this even possible in our city? I mean,
is that what we want? Is that how we want
to live?
Speaker 2: Terry Donovan, thank you very much for your time today.
I appreciate it. I know you're busy. Early voting is underway.
Look for Terry out at the polling stations and such.
She'll be bouncing all around the city of Charlotte for
the early voting. And again the website Terry for Charlotte
dot com. Terry, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Could I say one thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: There is key on the end of my name for everybody,
So it's te r R I E for fo R Charlotte.
That's my website and I will be posting several events
and everything on there. I know we actually have an
event at Sycamore tonight bringing in a lot of the
younger demographics in South End. So anyway, thank you so
much for your time. Pete.
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Yeah no, I appreciate you making time
for us on this busy day. Terry Donovan, thank you,
take care, Thank you all right again. Terry for Charlotte
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Speaker 2: Let me see this is random seven oh four number
when Iso Lyle's coming on for an interview and take
some questions from Rawla. I don't think that's going to happen.
The door is open, Like the door is always open.
If any elected official ever wants to come on the show,
they are always allowed to come on the show. I
have no problem with any elected official. The problem is
a lot of Democrats don't ever want to come on
the show. So, which is weird because like I've interviewed
democrats for my entire career, I treat them respectfully. I
ask them questions, and the questions I think of are
probably a lot different than the questions that they are
used to receiving, and so a lot of them are
anxious or nervous about what those types of questions might be.
I don't ever, you know, rate or make fun of
people or anything like that. I mean, when they're with me.
I'm just kidding, no, but seriously, like I I'm perfectly
capable of having conversations with anybody of any political strength
except commies, communists, lie and so all right, another random
seven h four number. Unfortunately, Pete, not much there there.
That's a sad testament. So you ask some hard questions
that there aren't easy answers too, But there was really
nothing at all to sink your teeth into.
Speaker 1: This is from.
Speaker 2: Dan, who says he thinks she's she avoided answering questions
and redirected to public safety every time.
Speaker 1: Well, so, look, there is.
Speaker 2: There is something to be said for message discipline, which
I understand in a campaign you want to just hammer
away at the issue that is most advantageous, and crime
is the crime in public safety issue is the focal point.
Speaker 1: And it's smart. I understand it. Let me see here,
this is Alan.
Speaker 2: We need this woman for mayor, says Alan. Kimberly says,
I need her signs. I guess her yard signs. Yeah,
I'm sure we'll go reach out to the campaign on
the website. I'm sure they'll be happy to give you
some signs, some yard signs. Which, by the way, the
thing on yard signs I learned actually the former Speaker
of the House now Congressman Tim Moore told me this
years ago, which was I was chatting with them at
an event in Asheville at the time, and he was asking,
you know, what the prospects were for some of the
local candidates and that sort of thing, and I said,
I don't know, and like, I'm seeing yard signs and
this and that, and I was like, but I don't
really know if that's a good gauge, and he said
yard signs on private property are a good sign. Yard
signs in the public right of way not so much.
Because if you're just sticking yard signs, if you're a
campaign and nobody wants your signs for their own property,
means you're just trying to put them out everywhere, and
you can only do that on the public right of
way at intersections, you know, along the sidewalks, along the
roads and stuff. So if you see a lot of
yard signs for a candidate, but they're all along the
road and they're not in people's yards, then that is
not indicative of support necessarily. That's just the campaign workers.
But if you see, like if you drive through and
I've gone through a couple of neighborhoods and you see
yard signs for local candidates and it's like, you know,
the whole street is filled with these yard signs, that
means the campaign workers went to every one of these
homes probably and talked to the homeowners who all agreed
to put the yard sign in their yard. That's indicative
of support. John said, he wants to like her, but
this is a little cringe. I don't know why people
think that uh hm, I don't know. I didn't get
that at all. Appreciate your conversation about the lawlessness. While
tired of the expense of victimhood day by day, realized
my safe is my responsibility. Cameras cost me. Okay, this
is a very Angela. That's a very lengthy message. I'm
not going to be able to read it all in
the time I've got left. Thanks so much for having
Terry on. Will there be a debate? Oh that's a
good question. Probably not. Incumbents that are as secure as
vil Isles never want a debate. There's no upside for them.
And then I guess these are about the it's all
about the police. This is from Mike. I always know
who not to vote for by looking at the yard
signs in my neighbor's front yard.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. It's like a palm card for you.
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