Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,
episode seventeen of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Walckler
joined by Adam Oslin. Will Opdike is in Japan doing
who knows what right now in Japan. Hope he's having
a great time. He will be back before the season starts.
But the preseason has started, and we're here to talk
about preseason game two. We're just gonna be talking some
broad stuff. Things we want to see happened, what we
want to see from specific guys. Also gonna rattle around
some of those Kawhi Leonard quotes that were seemingly about
wanting a power forward and the Clippers losing their best
power forward. Some say in PJ Tucker no longer being
with the team. I know, I know Adam doesn't feel
good about that. If you're listening to us, thank you
very much. You can find us anywhere you listen to pods.
If you're watching us, thank you. If you'd like to
watch you and find us on YouTube dot com slash
at Clippers Podcast. Adam, Before we get into it, how
are you doing on this scorching October evening in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Got my diet Doctor Pepper zero sugar cherry,
which is a really and rare diet soda that is
one of the best ever. I think I've talked about
it before. Now we'll continue to because I can't live
without these things now, so I need others to drink
it so they keep it in supply. This was at Pavilions.
I found it, but I guess my buddy who's like
from Oregon talks about going to a specific store to
get it for his uncle because it's hard to find
and shipping it in and like, yeah, rare commodity diet
soda that is very tasty.
Speaker 1: Can you give up your spot where you get it?
Are you holding? Are you keep Pavilions, pionte Go get it?
Speaker 2: I want them to know that it is in high demand.
We need this around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people need to buy it.
Speaker 2: Is going the way of surge.
Speaker 1: Oh come on. Yeah. And if you're not in an
area with Diet Doctor whatever this is, that's too many
things for me to remember. Adam will ship you some,
so go ahead, die Doctor Pepper sugar free with cherry
and some red Bull in it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, with an into it rock at the bottom. No, nothing,
like that. It's yeah die Doctor Peppers, Zero Sugar Cherry.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Into It Rocks, shout out to the person
who put their Into It rock in a very majestic
looking case. We did an into It Rock giveaway when
we first started, and someone put theres in a very
majestic case.
Speaker 2: It was like the case with the Rose and Beauty
and the Beast. It's that yes, Lucky Dime.
Speaker 1: If they buried at Rock, I think an Into It
will grow. All right, let's get into the most serious
thing we've talked about this whole offseason, preseason Game two
for the Clippers. Some broad notes we got today. Terrence
Man's gonna be starting for Chris Done tomorrow. I don't
think that was a huge surprise to many people when
we heard it.
Speaker 2: Right, No, you said you'd be concerned if t Man
didn't start the entire preseason, but just one game. Who cares,
No big deal, and we'll see what happens now with
him in the starting lineup. I still think it's his
job to lose, and as long as he fires and
doesn't turn down three pointers like he did one time
in that game on Saturday. Now, he did turn into
a nice reverse afterwards. So I suppose it all worked out.
All all's well, that ends well, But yeah, Terence Man
has to stay with his pedal to the medal when
it comes to attempting those threes from the outside.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm excited to see what because Norm is
going to start next to him. We're all assuming that
the the three is going to be the three guards
is going to be hardened Norman Terrence, which were slowly
kareem towards that being the opening day lineup. Again, we've
talked about on this show, and if you watched again,
it is preseason. If you watched Game one, the defense
was there, there's building blocks for some really nice defensive pieces.
The offense was rough. Uh, they couldn't really generate good looks.
But it seems like norms in line to start the season.
That quote from that law got from Tylo saying part
of him figure out offense and rotations includes whether to
get Norm out early and bring him back with Zoo.
Speaker 2: How about that tipping his hand a little bit. I
for one, am not surprised by this. I have thought
the whole time that if Kawhi's out there, Norm Powell
will likely be in the starting lineup, because as much
as you can say, well what does that do to
their defense? If they don't have someone else out there,
what is that going to do to their offense? You
still get our score points and they should still have
three good defenders next to Norm and James. Harden and
Orm also stressed the fact that they want him to
get back to his defense that he played when he
was younger. There's no reason he can't do it. He
hasn't lost a athletic ability. He was a really good
defender with the UCLA Bruins. He was a good defender
with the Toronto Raptors. What has happened? He went to
Portland and picked up some bad habits Exit Dame and CJ. McCollum.
Speaker 1: I think probably. Yeah, he has never been on exactly
teams that are like, we need you specifically to play
some defense. Yeah, I'm excited to see this. It's something
we need to see. Obviously. I think Terrence will play
better than done in that opening lineup strictly from familiarity.
These are three guys who know how to play with
each other. Granted, Harden only has you know, ninety two
percent of a season with these guys, but they know
more of how to play with each other than Chris
Dunn knew how to play. And this isn't a knock
on Chris Dunn. It's just a timing thing, you know.
Like I think we're gonna see a smoother offense opening
this game for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, I've talked about Chris Dunn and
his three point shooting over his last one hundred and
fifty games basically the last two years. He combined to
play eighty eight games for the Utah Jazz after at
one point looked like he could be out of the league,
but he ended up shooting during that time over forty
percent from three. It's just not a whole bunch of
sample size there for you. So what's real when it
comes to his three point shooting? He aired the one
he took on Saturday. A lot of guys yeah, yeah,
missing shots. It's preseason game one. There were twenty turnovers
I think by both teams in the ballgame. It was
sloppy basketball, to be expected. I still think his offense
is can be a little bit underrated. He's got some
float game to him he can create for others through
his playmaking. He has averaged I think five assists before
multiple times, or at least four plus assists per ball
game multiple times. But yeah, I like tarn Man as
the guy unless the thinking is somebody else brought this up.
But Chris Dunn playing the Pat Bev role like we
saw in Houston next to James Harden does make sense
to me because Pat Bev, like Chris Dunn, could bring
the ball up at times, absolutely could, and that could,
you know, release some of the pressure of James Harden
having to do it every single time and how taxing
that's going to be if Kawhi is missing games and
so much is on his plate. Maybe just that people
think it's a little thing, but I don't. I think
it accumulates.
Speaker 1: It's like every possession, you're the guy calling everything out.
It's not. We know that he is the system, but
it's not and the version system. Guys.
Speaker 2: You see him today practicing a ton of catch and
shoot stuff, so he is trying to get It's not
that he's not good at it, he's just not used
to it. So he kept turning them down because it's
just unfamiliar to him. But we know he is good
at it when he actually takes those shots. So it
just needs to be a little bit more natural for
him to play off ball slightly more, as he did
at times with the Houston Rockets playing next to CP three,
playing next to Pat Bev. But there were other guys
there where he wasn't always playing point guard. He was
playing shooting guard a lot, So maybe he could just
be more of a combo guard there at times. And
Chris Dunn could help in that area, and so can
Terence Man. He can bring up the ball too. We
know that. So whether either of those guys to me
as the starting two spot being defenders and guys who
can play make a little bit and then spot up,
shoot and catch and shoot from the outside, I'm comfortable
with the guy like that next to James Harden.
Speaker 1: I also the other part of the quote that interested me,
and you know we're thirsty for basketball because we're breaking
down a quote from TYLERU in preseason when he said
the Norm thing about get Norm out early and bring
him back with Zoo. My head goes to hearing Norm
talk about his pick and roll playmaking abilities, wanting to
be better at those. Maybe Norm's coming back as the
backup one and Done is the two next to him
or something like that. And again this is just speculation,
but that's where my brain went when I saw that
quote of like, well, hey, maybe Norm's gonna be the
start as the Maybe Norm will start the game as
the two, and then when he's brought back in with
Zoo can be the head of the offensive, head of
that unit for a little bit. And just I don't know,
they have a lot of stuff to figure out, and
it feels like that's the thing they'll try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it makes sense. I think that would be
a solid pairing. And that's what I like about Chris Dunn,
the versatility. He can play the one some, he can
play the two, he can play on ball a little bit,
he can play off ball a little bit. So it
lends himself to being used in more lineups. And you
want a guy like that playing more minutes out there
because of how good he is defensively, and he can
help keep that mantra of this is our defensive identity,
because when you see a guy like that out there
playing that hard, it just reinforces the fact that this
is how they have to win ballgames. So I think
he's gonna be big for this team and can play
in a lot of different lineups out there because of
what he offers on the offensive end and what, of
course he does defensively.
Speaker 1: And Tyler loves those kind of guys. Look at Terrence.
Terrence has a million rolls on this team. I think
Chris Dunn is gonna have nine and ninety nine thousand.
Interesting nugget picked up from another quote Tyler was talking
about Zoo posting more with Scoot being in the game.
Scoot is Kevin Porter Junior's nickname, which I googled and
granted Google has been taken over by their really bad
AI program, apparently because I was like, why is his
nickname Scoot? Apparently it's the nickname Scooter, which has to
do with his Web three venture, which combined anime NFT's
cryptocurrency and a community for fans called Sekudah. It has
since failed, But this might be the most random. This
is how I got this nickname? Ever, if that is true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some sas Ca Steele level stuff right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unsurprisingly it failed. If you purchased NFTs, I don't
wrong podcast for you, bad use of your money.
Speaker 2: I buy it for now.
Speaker 1: I bought a Jeff Gordon phone that was fifty dollars.
It's probably worth the same amount as your NFTs, but
just weird. And also basketball wise, KPJ and Zoos sharing
the floor. We saw them work a little bit together
in Game one. Zoo set him a screen, he turned
it into a difficult looking jumper that he did hit.
But that's a part of his game that I think
Tyler wants to be better. Is na just to pick
and which is like that. The Clippers are kind of
built up, and if KPJ can figure out how to
run the pick and roll for your agenda, that would
be huge for him for.
Speaker 2: My agenda especially. But I do think he has been
described as a poor man's James Harden. He's a lefty,
he ISOs a lot gets into his bag. Now, a
poor man's James Harden could be an inefficient player that
isn't that valuable in the league. He has to turn
into somebody who is not so much a poor man's
James Harden, but a serviceable James Harden out there, somebody
that can mimic what James Harden does to bridge the
gap in their offense and continue to hold on to
that foundation of the high pick and roll. And I
think that's part of the reason. I believe, you know,
at some point, whether he's in the starting backcourt or
just playing heavy minutes. I think this is someone that
Coach Lou wants to develop and sees the vision for
him being a big part of this team, based upon
his quote saying for us to have success, he's gonna
have to have a big impact. I really believe that,
and he has some of the tools that you were
looking for. It needs to be fostered and it needs
to be more developed, and we need to see where
he's at basketball wise after not playing since April twenty
twenty three. But I saw a lot of positives in
that game because you see he goes one for five,
and like three of those shots were gimmes that he
just would you know, would make any other time, and
probably the toughest shots the one he made. So I'm
not overly concerned with rhythm and timing, but I want
to see him play another twenty minutes in uh San
Diego tomorrow night and continue to, I don't know, give
us a glimpse maybe into the future with what we
can hope for with KPJ and how Coach Lee wants
to use him.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into some stuff we want to
see from specific guys in a sack, but there was
a lot of bad stuff that we'd like to see
changed from the first game. I put it in the breakdown, Adam,
if I missed anything, please let me know. I got turnovers, transition, defense,
offensive process as a whole, with specific highlighting the three
point attempts and the three point percentage, because we saw
what was bad about the Clippers last year, right they
lost the field goal They lost the field goal attempts battle,
which I hope people are worried about because that is
kind of one of Tyler's things. And the process. Everything
just looked difficult. And again it's preseason. Which of those
things do you want to see worked? Which one you
just want to see a little better in game two?
Speaker 2: What is your comment regarding the three point shooting in
this area and what happened on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I mean, I didn't think they got
enough up they got thirty five up, but I think
I agree y towards the end, it was like, Okay,
everyone's getting some threes out. This is cool. You're right,
they need to be higher in the attempts, and I mean,
I like man, I wish normally played fifteen minutes. So
I think part of this, maybe too, is because Derek
Jones Junior was in foul trouble. He only played like
eleven minutes because he got that early foul trouble, and
he took three threes, so I want him to take more.
But I think it's just the amount of attempts and
how just difficult.
Speaker 2: They kind of looked for teams with lesser talent, and
the Clippers kind of been ale the pack in that area,
depending on quay as available. Then all of a sudden, No,
it's pretty damn good duo they have at the top end,
but they have to play the math game more. And
the Clippers know this and they've talked about it in
norm I think even referenced exactly how many threes they
attempted last season on average at thirty three at media
Day and saying how they need to get that up.
That is an equalizer oute there for a lesser team,
because the number is shooting thirty three percent from three
is the equivalent of fifty percent from two. That that's
why teams do it, That's why it's beneficial so even
if you were shooting below league average at thirty three percent,
League average is about thirty six percent, it can still
help you with the volume at times. The Clippers have
always been about taking the right type of threes, but
I think they have to divert from that a little
bit because they can't beggars, can't be choosers, but make.
Speaker 1: Some stuff happen threes, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it has to be more based on volume
than just you know, we're such a good offense before
that they could really just pick and choose how they
want to pick you. Apart, they have so many ways
to beat you, so we're not going to force any
bad three pointers. They may have to force a few more,
Like they may need to get to like thirty I
would say you get to thirty seven attempts per game.
If they got up four more three pointers per game
and that was their average thirty seven attempts, I think
they'd be in better shape offensively. And it's usually a
telltale sign that our offense is also humming a little
bit because you're hoping that if you're getting that many up,
a lot of them are going to be open threes,
Like if a Tom is taking threes, they're usually going
to be open threes because he's just catching shoot guys.
They have all these catch and shoot guys that aren't
going to just create them or try fade away threes
or step back threes with the crab dribble like James Harden.
They have to be in their element and shoot them
how they're comfortable or in the way that they are comfortable.
So I'm gonna put the number thirty seven that I'd
like to see them get at this season. That should
be the average three pointers attempted per game. I mean,
even if team like the Lakers now with JJ Reddick,
they know what they're doing with that. He said, I'm
glad we got up forty threes. He joked about getting
into fifty next time. But like if you aren't playing
some of these analytic games, Like I can't stress this enough.
The Boston Celtics, they got up I think about forty
per game in the NBA Finals, they only shot thirty
three percent three, and they still dismantled Dallas in five
games even while shooting just thirty three percent from three,
because Dallas wasn't taking enough, like they just they were
pretty much doa like for them to win that series,
they needed to take more three pointers. They didn't. They
didn't have the personnel. They don't have that type of offense.
And the Clippers, this is something they're gonna have to do.
And James Harden knows how to get guys shots and
knows how to get up three pointers. Mike D'Antoni kind
of revolutionize this. So the Clippers are equipped, They have
the right guys to do it, they have the game plan,
they know they need to do it just needs to
play out. So I'm with you, like they didn't take enough,
at least when during more consequential minutes you could say.
Speaker 1: That's what's hard too, is that it's like very happy
Kobe Brown made half his threes. Let's put it into
some context, you know what I mean. I hope in
the first half we see twenty three point attempts because
that's when the most rostery eyes are going to be
out there. Good things to keep from the first game,
there weren't a ton and I don't mean that again,
it's preseason game one, so.
Speaker 2: I think is concerned. Also, was they got out rebounded
on offensive rebounds nineteen to nine.
Speaker 1: Dude, did you. There was an image burning in my brain.
I think it's Kai, and it might be Derek Jones.
Speaker 2: I looked rough, guys. Kai looked like a guy who
had not played basketball in a long time and also
just didn't have much feel out there at all.
Speaker 1: He needs to set better screens his screen time as
the backup five, which Harden was working with him in
training camp today. If you're getting time as the backup five,
you I, you have to set good screens. You can't
half after your screens. Dude, you're the only backup five
we have right now.
Speaker 2: He was setting like ghost screens. You had said if
you're about to pick and pop for a three pointer, was.
Speaker 1: Setting three screens like where it's like a guy you
don't know set a screen.
Speaker 2: I am rooting for Kai, and I felt like I
was almost overly harsh post game because it was really
tough performance from him, But I also was pushing back
against people who you know, this was a good example
of NBA basketball versus guy dunking and getting highlights in
an open gym run and you think, oh, he has
all this athleticism that means he can be the starter
over It meets the zoobots, and some people are trying
to tell us, like, you guys have no idea what
it's going to be like out there.
Speaker 1: Good, he needs to figure it out.
Speaker 2: But he's young and he's got time. But I think
that probably should have been a wake up call for
the Kai Jones hive thinking that he could start or
even be the backup right away. He's he's not from
that one game, and I hope he looks much better
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: He's not that.
Speaker 2: Close to where you want to see a backup big
b at to play real NBA minutes. This is not
Daniel Tice, this is Mason Plumley. Like he looked pretty
far away from that, and you know it could come quick,
and maybe it is just rust he hasn't played in
a while either. Then played real minutes. But that was
that was That was tough. That was tough to watch.
Speaker 1: Someone who was mad at me because I did a
little live after someone was mad at me. They're like,
kai Jones grabbed all our rebounds, what are you talking about?
And I was like, let's let's chill. First of all,
Kobe Brown had the most rebounds on the team.
Speaker 2: Second of all's boxing out was not good, guys, that's
I think.
Speaker 1: So there's a clip. It was like, I'm trying to
find the tweet that I sent from at Clippers pod
if you're not following us where it was like, I
think it was Kai and Derek Jones Junior, who does
not like being called DJJ. We learned that today from
while Murray do not call Derrek Jones Junior DJJ.
Speaker 2: I was kind of sick of it anyways, because it
kind of was kind of weird fung twister and then
he's thinking, PJ and Bill thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, it was Kai and Derek Jones Junior
letting pods getting offensive rebound. I'm like, guys, this is
this shit cannot happen. Kai is not good.
Speaker 2: Kai looked like a guy with freakish athleticism that didn't
have much basketball sense out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what it's no disrespect.
Speaker 2: No, it's not like he didn't get many minutes on
a bad Charlotte Hornets team. He has potential. He does,
and I am rooting for him, and I think he's
going to get that two way spot, but he does
need to improve upon that preseason game one performance. Tomorrow night,
he does, and that was by the way, a big
opportunity because Obama couldn't go in that game. I don't
know if he's playing tomorrow, so Kai ended up getting
over twenty minutes, so I don't I don't If Obama's back,
he may get less time that it was consequential, or
it could be I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, you know me, I'm worried about the backup
five spot every day of my life.
Speaker 2: Oh it ain't March anymore.
Speaker 1: So back well, there are seventeen games in one of
the months uh.
Speaker 2: So played out. I mean, come on, there's we get
that every year now, seventeen games.
Speaker 1: Of marsh easy good things to keep from the first game,
Harden and Zoo being aggressive. Harden looked phenomenal. Zoobots also phenomenal.
I have no notes on their performances except I would
like to see James Harden hit more than one of
four threes.
Speaker 2: But that's just nitpicking, and that one was a four pointer.
Speaker 1: That's true, dude. The three that Norm hit was so funny.
I've never seen a fuck you three is the first
basket of the game.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like, oh, are we playing? Yeah,
not going to guard me? Then I'll take this well.
Speaker 1: It almost looked like everyone but him knew which basket
they were supposed to be going to because there was
I was watching it, I was like, did they blow
a whistle? Why is no one next to nor.
Speaker 2: normOn looked amazing by the way he looked so smooth
with it. That reverse layup he had with the left hand,
and it was nasty.
Speaker 1: He's ready. Well, you want to see more good norm
good heartening zoo and then Terrence's activity on the boards
as a starter is going to be I.
Speaker 2: Was a good call by you. I thought he was
very good there last game.
Speaker 1: Can he do it with the starters?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to do That's kind of been his issue.
His boxing out was great. I thought it was obvious
that he had an intent on getting boards and that
was part of the messaging coming out of training camp.
Speaker 1: What other good thing would you like to see before
we give these listeners, not the viewers. The viewers have
to stick with us the whole time. These listeners a
quick audio break.
Speaker 2: I need both Derek Jones Jr. And Chris Dunn to
hit a three pointer. Hell yeah, keep taking him and
I want to see both guys hit him, just to
remind yourself get the confidence going. Derek Jones Junior is
coming off a bad final series shooting wise. Chris Don
we just don't know where he's at with three points
shooting really not enough enough sample size, So put him
up and do not shy away from it. Uh who else?
A mere Coffee look really good in game one. I'm
not even worried about him, like he.
Speaker 1: Liked Player of the Game pick. You could tell so
I talked about this too. I think you mentioned this
on your stream too. You can tell the difference between
someone who's played in the NBA for five seasons, even
at the role that Amir Coffee has had, and guys
who have not played in the NBA at all. Amir
knows how to do the job.
Speaker 2: Emir. While they were getting most of their points were
coming easily in transition. The Clippers' defense was really good overall.
When they were giving up points, it was on broken
plays basically where Golden State was finding the open man
as the defense was scattered. But outside of that, the
Clippers were pretty good. I do want to see Jordan
Miller take more shots. Yes, we only attempted three. Was
one for three. You got a little push out to
go in the lane, which she was doing a lot
of in the Summer League. I just need to be
more aggressive. I still like what I saw at the
very end. He had two deflextions on the inbounds pass
using that wingspan, but a more aggressive Jordan Miller. I'd
encourage that for Game two.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I could not agree more. We're doing an
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in it's Clips and Dips season three, episode seventeen.
I'm out of Maaz and we got Chef Mockler and
Will Updyke is out out and about.
Speaker 1: He's still on the show. He's just he's gone.
Speaker 2: He's gone.
Speaker 1: He might not come back from Japan. If I got
it in another world, if I got a text from
Will that was like, I'm not coming back, I'd be like, Okay,
I'm not try from Will. I'm sad. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: He found his scarlet Johansson and he's out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, yeah, is this game going to be televised?
I don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, selfishly, I'm just gonna say no because we're
gonna have it on the radio side, and I want
people to listen there. But I think that's also accurate,
at least in Los Angeles. Uh, that's what I'm hearing.
I don't know for sure, but we'll have it on
the Patriot even fifty six game.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're on the Patriot tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Okay, Dodgers are on five seventy coour god, not for
much longer.
Speaker 1: Get out of my face. Don't do this to me.
I had don't do this. Don't you're what I wore.
Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks hat in the first round last year. You
guys are pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rightfully so. So we just we talked about Jordan
Miller a little bit, and we're talking what we want
to see from specific guys. Justin Rousseau, our favorite French
Canadian reporter, had a tweet that Jordan Miller's I could
go make something happen. Guy, and the Clippers this season
are going to need people to just go make some
shit happen, and I want to. I agree with you.
I want to see Jordan Miller make some more stuff
happen earlier in the game. I want to see him
get some run with some guys who aren't twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen on the roster, or against guys that aren't twelve
or fifteen. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see him be challenged a little
bit with some first unit guys out there too. That'd
be nice to see. Carlo brought up an interesting point
because of you know, the flight back and not much time.
Starters may play less in this game for the Clippers,
and you could see more of the young guys in
the backups in San Diego. Okay, therefore, he might get
his shot. He's also going up against who was it
Jalen Wilson who was the MVP of the Summer League
when it should have been Jordan Miller. This is a
Jordan Miller revenge game written all over it.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Yes, more Jordan Miller. We talked about
better screens from Kai Jones No foul Trouble from Derek
Jones Junior. I wanted to get your thoughts on this
take that I had by myself. Occasionally it can be
bad takes that my brain comes up with. Derek Jones Jr.
If he's playing the four, which we're kind of assuming
he's going to be tomorrow night for the Clippers, he's
smaller than the average four, so he's gonna have to
use his body more when he's defending regular sized force.
The whistle that night really dictates how effective he's gonna
be able to be defending the four position, and I
hope that he's able to get used to that in
the preseason, because they let a point guard beat the
hell out of a center when they're guarding him, but
they don't let a three just you know, manhandle a
four or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me think about how, you know, the playoffs,
they let so much go, especially to the first couple
games of that series, and overall they swallow whistle a
little bit more, lets you play more physical brand of basketball.
There is hand checking at times, despite what people think
it is a judgment call. It happens plenty, and he
benefits from that with his length and the way he's
able to move his feet. Uh. Yeah, I don't want
to see him get into foul trouble. I want to
see him get some confidence with this shot out there.
As I mentioned earlier, I want to see him take
and knock down a three pointer. Saw some fluage of
him working on catching shoot threes earlier today at the
new practice facility, first time they had an official practice
there with the Clippers, which is pretty cooled into it
home beautiful red. Yeah, we've been out there on that
practice court. We got the tour, I was in.
Speaker 1: Some catching and shoot threes. They didn't put that on
the social media.
Speaker 2: They set the bar too high then, guys, one of
our lankier media members. So yeah, I think if he
gets run, he and Chris Dodd just need to, I
don't know, find a little bit of a rhythm he
year and give us more of a look of how
they're going to play during the regular season. I just
want to see everybody kind of be a little bit
more focused out there, more crisp with their play in general.
Speaker 1: Yes, Crisp is a great just I want to see
it look like there's been a clear difference between preseason
game two and preseason game one, you know. And I
that that rotation thing is interesting because we're like, I
hope we get to see some more Cam Christy if
not for Cachristy's confidence, you know. And also KPJ is
probably gonna play What did you play last game? He
played fifteen? I bet given the rotation stuff, he's over twenty.
Speaker 2: Did he only play in the first half?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He only? So that was the other interesting thing.
There was a clear like I mean again not crazy,
like there's clearly the top law Murray true. I like
that top ten. No, kb J was split. He did
eight first half like eight second that's what stat's on
NBAE me I uh, But the second half was like, dude,
that was That's what's difficult about preseason basketball and where
the argument comes in in preseason vers Summer league in
terms of like the second half that was brutal. It
was not good basketball. It was a close game.
Speaker 2: Well they went Yeah, the first five minutes of the
third quarter, the Clippers had three points. They were having
a hard time out there. To their credit, they call
it time out. JBG and Coach lou got them back
into some sets and some actions and I think they
had nineteen points in the last seven minutes, so that
it was crazy quarter. But yeah, they need to execute
at a higher level in this game. I know progress
isn't linear, but I don't think it's asking a lot
to see a step up from game one to gain
the preseason Give.
Speaker 1: Me one standard was it four inch by four inch?
That's like the standard step. Give me a standard step up. Yeah,
we're like that lady walking into a new year. You know,
she's stepping on twenty twenty or walking into twenty twenty five.
Trying to think of what you mentioned. Tighter play like,
it's just really that right, better decision making, fewer turnovers,
better transition defense. You could probably clip what we just
talked about and play it for every loss the Clippers
may have if they do lose a game in the
upcoming season. But we're seeing, we're figuring out what needs
to get fixed pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: I'll give them credit for playing hard. I think it's
almost working against them right now, Like there was great
effort and the guys were playing hard. People are just
out of position and out of sink and there isn't
that built up familiarity. And I think coach Leo has
talked about this during training camp after some practices, say like,
we're playing hard out there, we just got to play
a little bit smarter. There's definitely a be quick, don't
hurry on wooden line when it comes to this team
right now. Yeah, and you know you don't hate that.
That's not the worst place to be. Guys are definitely competing.
Speaker 1: It is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're just off. They're not playing together totally.
Speaker 1: It's not a unit yet, which again that's where I
think tomorrow, however long the starters are gonna play, it
will be nice to see the Norm harden Man guys
know each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I almost take back that comment earlier.
Speaker 1: No, it takes backsie, no takes the vaccine.
Speaker 2: Not to go against Carlow, but I could see starters
still getting some run Terrence Man, we know is gonna
be the starting lineup some run at least because there's
gonna be I think, just like in Hawaii, a little
bit of fan service because they're playing in San Diego,
they're in Ocean Side, they're at the new facility there,
and they want to put on a good show for
the fans to get them excited about the G League
that's gonna be there all season long. So I think
maybe the starters will get more run than I realized.
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean they need it. No disrespect
to the starters, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true too, Like if there's a they're new
together too. Not everybody has five preseason games the Clippers do,
and I think there's a reason for that. Like great, yeah,
they need more time out there together. If any team does,
there isn't as much built up continuity because so many
of the pieces that are brought in are significant and
have to be implemented. And then also you're just missing
Kawhi right now, so playing more hard and ball. How
do we do this? I know a lot of guys
do they have They have a good idea, but it's
still it is one thing to uh, you know, know
what you need to do. It's another to actually go
out there and.
Speaker 1: Do it totally what who is your I picked him
your coffee for the player the Kawhi Leonard James Harden
Unified Player of the Game, belt will pick Chris Dunn,
who was not the player of the game. I don't
think I'm here Coffee was the player of the game either.
I think I norm that was the best you were
right then?
Speaker 2: I know nobody's picking Zoo could have been it, but
that almost felt too easy, right.
Speaker 1: That's five for sec? Okay, Yeah, he had fourteen and six.
I'm like, exactly what I expected. Who's your pick? Who's
gonna shine tomorrow night? Maybe only over the radio waves? Uh?
Speaker 2: For the LA Clippers, Carlo Mio is gonna shine? Jordan Miller. Hell,
I'm going with Jordan Miller. I just three shots is
not a lot for what should have been the Summer
League MVP. And Jalen Wilson got another thing coming in
this ball game. Oh he's gonna feel it. You already
beat him in the Summer League had to head. His
individual play was better, his team went further. There was
absolutely no reason that Jordan Miller shouldn't have been the
Summer League MVP. He's gonna prove it tomorrow night. I
love it and give me a fourteen five and.
Speaker 3: Two performance fourteen okay, five boards to assists? Okay, cool,
I'm gonna go. I hope Derek Jones Junior doesn't push
it too hard energy wise, like you were just talking
about in terms of playing harder versus playing smarter, like
Dilbert's boss used to say, in terms of working. I
hope Derek Jones Junior comes out and show like most
people are comfortable with him starting. I hope he shows
why he's starting tomorrow, you know. I hope we see
some good defense. I want to see him throw one down.
I just want to see a lob from Harden to
Derek Jones Junior. I think it's gonna be Derek Jones Junior. Okay,
And I think Will would pick Kai Jones. We're gonna
say Will would pick Kai Jones.
Speaker 1: J Yeah, okay, we were Let's talk about We'll talk
about PJ and then we'll talk about the Kuhi quotes.
Was this the least surprising thing to happen?
Speaker 2: Pretty much like I had been asking everybody, so, are
PJ and Bones gonna be at training camp? Guys? Bones
was there?
Speaker 1: PJ?
Speaker 2: Was there? I didn't see him on the court, but
he was on the bench. But now he no longer is.
He is away from the team. And I don't know
you feel about it, but I mean, I have an idea.
Speaker 1: I feel. I feel. I think I talked about this
when all this stuff first started coming out. I feel sad.
Speaker 2: Taking this guy doesn't realize where he's at in his career.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I don't mean that disrespectfully. He's the second.
I will stay the oldest because I don't count Lebron
as the oldest player in the league because he is
in a whole other section of human beings and how
they take care of their bodies. He is forty. He
has a ring. That's the other part is I'm like, dude,
you like you have a ring. I understand wanting eleven
million dollars. I'm not knocking him for wanting to have
his eleven million dollars. I get that, but like I'm
not either.
Speaker 2: I am knocking him forgetting it and then saying, now
trade me. Sure, it's like you could have gone wherever
you wanted, you could have just not opted in, right.
Speaker 1: But that I'm just like bummed, because man, you're done.
And I don't mean this hate or vitul in my heart,
but you're forty.
Speaker 2: Coach lou said at one point last season he was
like PJ. Tucker is seventy five years old. He was
joking about the situation and him wing a play and
put it pretty plainly.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's in it. It does bum you out,
and it's not you know, it's different back in the
day when like you wouldn't really hear about some of
this stuff, but because of twenty four news cycle, social
media all that stuff, like you know what I mean,
you're just like, this is a bummer from a going
out gracefully standpoint. Not that everyone should, but talking to
the media now he's away from the team, it's like,
where do you want to go? Man? They're trying to
find a place to trade you. They cannot. It's not
like the Clippers have been like, please play for us.
This has been so good, dude.
Speaker 2: They like trying to trade you since the deadline and
it didn't work. They couldn't get they could wouldn't find
a trade partner. Like he's an expiring contract. They have
that in their favor. People have brought up Kelly Olynnok
to me. They have said Larry Dance Junior is like, guys,
they're not doing that. There's no way they're doing it. Like,
I don't care. They have an extra year in their contract,
they can get more, like uh, some people are bringing
up what's his name from Portland who makes thirty million
dollars Williams.
Speaker 1: Robert Williams. People are there's a lot of Clippers meet
some Clippers media as well. I would say borderline infatuated
with the idea of trading bones Highland who haven't talked
about who did not have a very good preseason game
one NPJ Tucker for Robert Williams. But I'm like, I
don't think they would do that.
Speaker 2: Probably not, even though Robert Williams is hurt again and
I don't see the Benett. The only benefit could be
does he have like two more years left on the deal?
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the we have Robert Williams, and then it just
we're just like, well, what do we do with Robert Williams.
Speaker 2: Now, they're definitely if they're getting rid of him, they're
either going to have to package him with someone to
get a player of significance back, or they're also getting
back and expiring deal. They're not trading a guy for
somebody else who's not playing that has an extra year
on his.
Speaker 1: Contracce does I was going to say, yeah, it's this
year and the next er.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're doing it unless Robert Williams they
believe can turn things around with his health, which unfortunately, man,
I love Robert Williams, Like you should have had a
ring with Boston, Like they could have won with him
and he was playing hurt during the finals. A couple
of years ago. I wore the Clippers for draft him.
I was high on that.
Speaker 1: But but and then this is like so now it's like, now,
where do you want to go? PJ want to Charlotte
and play? Or like what is.
Speaker 2: Also want a contender? Like you also want to be
on a team that can compete this year. It's the
ultimate to me, you know what's your cake and eat
it too. Where I want the contract, I want the
eleven million. I also want to be traded to a
team I want to go to. It's like, wait a second,
you opt it in. You don't have no trade clause
wherever we can send you. At this point, we're sending
you That's that's how I would operate. But I think
the Clippers they're really trying to do right by him.
They're really trying to accommodate if they can, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, cause you kind of have to too, right His.
Speaker 2: Agent could have Yeah, other guys.
Speaker 1: He just hid in people. Yeah, Like it's.
Speaker 2: Are other people going to understand the situation the Clippers
were in? This is really difficult right now, Like this
is not on them.
Speaker 1: We need a four too, if like if he could play,
the Clippers would play PJ. Tucker. We need a four.
Speaker 2: I can't get over how he started a must win game.
I can't get over that.
Speaker 1: I can't get over that. And I can't get over
him saying he had the hardest adjustment of anyone in
the James Harden to the Clippers trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: Speaking of force, how are we are you reading into
the Kawhi quote as much as some other people are.
Kawhi Leonard, when asked about his position and playing power forward,
who was the power forward last year? It's going to
be the same thing pretty much. But we got to
control what we can control. I probably ran the top
five most miles per game last year or top ten
all coming off with Tormaniscus, So we got to see
if that's beneficial for me or not.
Speaker 2: With the way you put it, it does seem like messaging
towards the front up.
Speaker 1: I read it a little bitually. I say, I.
Speaker 2: Still don't think it said he's stronger than what he
said last year until we get a real one.
Speaker 1: That was pretty strong point.
Speaker 2: So him adding on to the fact, and he's right
about this because Lt. Murray checked on the Clippers at
least he averaged the most miles ran per game. That
doesn't seem when we've been looking for this answer for
a while. What's more physical, much more taxing between playing
the three and the four? Apparently it is playing the four.
Like so in that case, I mean, I agree with him,
Like whatever is going to have him have to move
less out there is what we should want right now.
It's easier said than dodge. Just go get a four,
Like who are they giving up? Who are these fours
that are all available?
Speaker 1: I don't know to start? Yeah, starting fours?
Speaker 2: Like could you just start Niko Batum the four?
Speaker 1: Give him? So you give him, you give Nico the
Gortat start at the four right, long time. Wow, maybe
not long time, but I am getting older mid to
longtime Clippers fans. We'll remember the Polish Hammer. Of course,
he had the gortat start like he would play like
seven minutes or whatever, and then Zoo would come in
for most of like everything else. Maybe you have Batoum
start at the four to set the tone defensively because
we know he can do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I wonder because you want him later in
the game. This was something they even used to talk
about with Kawhi when he was first coming back from
the ACL But I think in general with players, because
you want him later in the game and because he's
only going to be playing twenty minutes or so a night,
is starting batoomb and then having him run cold for
like maybe an hour before he gets back out there
on the court in real time? Is that the issue?
You know? I don't know, but I think it should
be an option because he's still good at it. I
also don't think that's great for Bratuna to have to
go up against other starting fours at thirty six when
he's turning. In December, we.
Speaker 1: Talk about Kawhi being maybe not physically able to hold
up to the four. We all love Niko Batum, but
as you mentioned, and he's played a lot of basketball.
He had Olympics and he had euro Basket.
Speaker 2: And she played I think the most minutes of France
guarding Shay Guardian shrewder right a badass the foe position.
Speaker 1: Please don't send us any trade ideas yet.
Speaker 2: I'll send a chuck guys, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Send them. It will post market one two three, Opdike Avenue, Tokyo, Japan.
I don't know what their zip codes are over there.
I assume probably efficient and make total sense.
Speaker 2: So what's the Weezer song across the Sea on Pinkerton?
You are eighteen year old Will who lives a small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if we are how Weezer feels about
that one? Now, all right, I think that's kind of
it in the Clippers verse. Until we most definitely have
things to talk about after game two. There may be
a postgame stream. It depends if I listen on to
the game. I'm gonna try and watch it. I'll do
my best to listen to it as everyone else should.
If it's only available on there, we're gonna be Are
we doing a double dyptum? Morrow.
Speaker 2: Probably, I just there's a lot up in the air.
I'm gonna be there in San Diego. Nobody knows how
long they're giving us before they break stuff down. Probably
maybe I don't know. Maybe maybe it's on TV. Maybe
we're doing it.
Speaker 1: We are the podcast of maybe everybody? Are the Clippers
gonna win it all? Yes, we can give you a
definitive answer to that. If will and will spirit it
is our year. Oh no, yeah, now he's mad at me.
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Speaker 2: This is gonna be perishable or that's.
Speaker 3: On them maybe is a bit.
Speaker 2: I guess if it's tostitos, it'll be good for twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1: Oh that that spicy fredo whatever bean dip I have
that's going in the old dudes day prep.
Speaker 2: Kid, that'll outlive the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Because before we get out of here,
adam one positive thing to send these Clippers fans out
on this beautiful October.
Speaker 2: Evening, I mean first game of the preseason held the
teams in ninety one points. No, they couldn't stop them,
getting that long three poort ago at the very end,
and that was impressive by Waters. But the defensive identity,
it could be underway this Clippers team. They knew the assignment,
you could say, and I'm hoping that's gonna keep going
against Brooklyn tomorrow night because it is meaningful preseason basketball
training camp, building a culture, building an identity, things to
fall back on when things get tough during the regular season.
It all happens now, And I really like man James
Harden is omitting a lot of leadership right now. He
is showing off leadership skills like we've never seen before
maybe or I don't know, at least as a Clipper,
we're not as used to this from James Harden. He's
only been here for a little bit, but it's cool
to see him working with everyone. And I don't know,
they haven't had obviously much of a vocal leader in
the two P one to three era. James Harden certainly
being a vocal leader right now for this Clippers team
is good to see.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah it is. That wraps it up for us.
Thank you for watching, thank you for listening, and as always,
let's go clips.