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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,

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episode seventeen of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Walckler

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joined by Adam Oslin. Will Opdike is in Japan doing

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who knows what right now in Japan. Hope he's having

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a great time. He will be back before the season starts.

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But the preseason has started, and we're here to talk

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about preseason game two. We're just gonna be talking some

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broad stuff. Things we want to see happened, what we

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want to see from specific guys. Also gonna rattle around

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some of those Kawhi Leonard quotes that were seemingly about

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wanting a power forward and the Clippers losing their best

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power forward. Some say in PJ Tucker no longer being

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with the team. I know, I know Adam doesn't feel

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good about that. If you're listening to us, thank you

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very much. You can find us anywhere you listen to pods.

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If you're watching us, thank you. If you'd like to

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watch you and find us on YouTube dot com slash

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at Clippers Podcast. Adam, Before we get into it, how

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are you doing on this scorching October evening in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Got my diet Doctor Pepper zero sugar cherry,

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which is a really and rare diet soda that is

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one of the best ever. I think I've talked about

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it before. Now we'll continue to because I can't live

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without these things now, so I need others to drink

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it so they keep it in supply. This was at Pavilions.

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I found it, but I guess my buddy who's like

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from Oregon talks about going to a specific store to

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get it for his uncle because it's hard to find

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and shipping it in and like, yeah, rare commodity diet

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soda that is very tasty.

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Speaker 1: Can you give up your spot where you get it?

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Are you holding? Are you keep Pavilions, pionte Go get it?

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Speaker 2: I want them to know that it is in high demand.

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We need this around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people need to buy it.

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Speaker 2: Is going the way of surge.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on. Yeah. And if you're not in an

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area with Diet Doctor whatever this is, that's too many

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things for me to remember. Adam will ship you some,

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so go ahead, die Doctor Pepper sugar free with cherry

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and some red Bull in it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, with an into it rock at the bottom. No, nothing,

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like that. It's yeah die Doctor Peppers, Zero Sugar Cherry.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Into It Rocks, shout out to the person

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who put their Into It rock in a very majestic

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looking case. We did an into It Rock giveaway when

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we first started, and someone put theres in a very

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majestic case.

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Speaker 2: It was like the case with the Rose and Beauty

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and the Beast. It's that yes, Lucky Dime.

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Speaker 1: If they buried at Rock, I think an Into It

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will grow. All right, let's get into the most serious

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thing we've talked about this whole offseason, preseason Game two

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for the Clippers. Some broad notes we got today. Terrence

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Man's gonna be starting for Chris Done tomorrow. I don't

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think that was a huge surprise to many people when

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we heard it.

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Speaker 2: Right, No, you said you'd be concerned if t Man

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didn't start the entire preseason, but just one game. Who cares,

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No big deal, and we'll see what happens now with

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him in the starting lineup. I still think it's his

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job to lose, and as long as he fires and

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doesn't turn down three pointers like he did one time

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in that game on Saturday. Now, he did turn into

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a nice reverse afterwards. So I suppose it all worked out.

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All all's well, that ends well, But yeah, Terence Man

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has to stay with his pedal to the medal when

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it comes to attempting those threes from the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm excited to see what because Norm is

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going to start next to him. We're all assuming that

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the the three is going to be the three guards

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is going to be hardened Norman Terrence, which were slowly

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kareem towards that being the opening day lineup. Again, we've

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talked about on this show, and if you watched again,

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it is preseason. If you watched Game one, the defense

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was there, there's building blocks for some really nice defensive pieces.

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The offense was rough. Uh, they couldn't really generate good looks.

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But it seems like norms in line to start the season.

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That quote from that law got from Tylo saying part

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of him figure out offense and rotations includes whether to

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get Norm out early and bring him back with Zoo.

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Speaker 2: How about that tipping his hand a little bit. I

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for one, am not surprised by this. I have thought

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the whole time that if Kawhi's out there, Norm Powell

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will likely be in the starting lineup, because as much

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as you can say, well what does that do to

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their defense? If they don't have someone else out there,

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what is that going to do to their offense? You

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still get our score points and they should still have

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three good defenders next to Norm and James. Harden and

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Orm also stressed the fact that they want him to

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get back to his defense that he played when he

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was younger. There's no reason he can't do it. He

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hasn't lost a athletic ability. He was a really good

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defender with the UCLA Bruins. He was a good defender

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with the Toronto Raptors. What has happened? He went to

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Portland and picked up some bad habits Exit Dame and CJ. McCollum.

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Speaker 1: I think probably. Yeah, he has never been on exactly

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teams that are like, we need you specifically to play

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some defense. Yeah, I'm excited to see this. It's something

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we need to see. Obviously. I think Terrence will play

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better than done in that opening lineup strictly from familiarity.

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These are three guys who know how to play with

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each other. Granted, Harden only has you know, ninety two

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percent of a season with these guys, but they know

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more of how to play with each other than Chris

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Dunn knew how to play. And this isn't a knock

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on Chris Dunn. It's just a timing thing, you know.

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Like I think we're gonna see a smoother offense opening

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this game for the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, I've talked about Chris Dunn and

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his three point shooting over his last one hundred and

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fifty games basically the last two years. He combined to

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play eighty eight games for the Utah Jazz after at

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one point looked like he could be out of the league,

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but he ended up shooting during that time over forty

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percent from three. It's just not a whole bunch of

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sample size there for you. So what's real when it

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comes to his three point shooting? He aired the one

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he took on Saturday. A lot of guys yeah, yeah,

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missing shots. It's preseason game one. There were twenty turnovers

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I think by both teams in the ballgame. It was

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sloppy basketball, to be expected. I still think his offense

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is can be a little bit underrated. He's got some

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float game to him he can create for others through

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his playmaking. He has averaged I think five assists before

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multiple times, or at least four plus assists per ball

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game multiple times. But yeah, I like tarn Man as

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the guy unless the thinking is somebody else brought this up.

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But Chris Dunn playing the Pat Bev role like we

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saw in Houston next to James Harden does make sense

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to me because Pat Bev, like Chris Dunn, could bring

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the ball up at times, absolutely could, and that could,

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you know, release some of the pressure of James Harden

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having to do it every single time and how taxing

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that's going to be if Kawhi is missing games and

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so much is on his plate. Maybe just that people

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think it's a little thing, but I don't. I think

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it accumulates.

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Speaker 1: It's like every possession, you're the guy calling everything out.

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It's not. We know that he is the system, but

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it's not and the version system. Guys.

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Speaker 2: You see him today practicing a ton of catch and

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shoot stuff, so he is trying to get It's not

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that he's not good at it, he's just not used

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to it. So he kept turning them down because it's

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just unfamiliar to him. But we know he is good

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at it when he actually takes those shots. So it

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just needs to be a little bit more natural for

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him to play off ball slightly more, as he did

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at times with the Houston Rockets playing next to CP three,

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playing next to Pat Bev. But there were other guys

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there where he wasn't always playing point guard. He was

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playing shooting guard a lot, So maybe he could just

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be more of a combo guard there at times. And

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Chris Dunn could help in that area, and so can

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Terence Man. He can bring up the ball too. We

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know that. So whether either of those guys to me

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as the starting two spot being defenders and guys who

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can play make a little bit and then spot up,

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shoot and catch and shoot from the outside, I'm comfortable

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with the guy like that next to James Harden.

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Speaker 1: I also the other part of the quote that interested me,

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and you know we're thirsty for basketball because we're breaking

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down a quote from TYLERU in preseason when he said

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the Norm thing about get Norm out early and bring

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him back with Zoo. My head goes to hearing Norm

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talk about his pick and roll playmaking abilities, wanting to

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be better at those. Maybe Norm's coming back as the

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backup one and Done is the two next to him

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or something like that. And again this is just speculation,

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but that's where my brain went when I saw that

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quote of like, well, hey, maybe Norm's gonna be the

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start as the Maybe Norm will start the game as

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the two, and then when he's brought back in with

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Zoo can be the head of the offensive, head of

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that unit for a little bit. And just I don't know,

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they have a lot of stuff to figure out, and

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it feels like that's the thing they'll try.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it makes sense. I think that would be

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a solid pairing. And that's what I like about Chris Dunn,

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the versatility. He can play the one some, he can

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play the two, he can play on ball a little bit,

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he can play off ball a little bit. So it

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lends himself to being used in more lineups. And you

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want a guy like that playing more minutes out there

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because of how good he is defensively, and he can

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help keep that mantra of this is our defensive identity,

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because when you see a guy like that out there

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playing that hard, it just reinforces the fact that this

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is how they have to win ballgames. So I think

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he's gonna be big for this team and can play

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in a lot of different lineups out there because of

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what he offers on the offensive end and what, of

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course he does defensively.

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Speaker 1: And Tyler loves those kind of guys. Look at Terrence.

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Terrence has a million rolls on this team. I think

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Chris Dunn is gonna have nine and ninety nine thousand.

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about Zoo posting more with Scoot being in the game.

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Scoot is Kevin Porter Junior's nickname, which I googled and

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granted Google has been taken over by their really bad

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AI program, apparently because I was like, why is his

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nickname Scoot? Apparently it's the nickname Scooter, which has to

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do with his Web three venture, which combined anime NFT's

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cryptocurrency and a community for fans called Sekudah. It has

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since failed, But this might be the most random. This

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is how I got this nickname? Ever, if that is true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some sas Ca Steele level stuff right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unsurprisingly it failed. If you purchased NFTs, I don't

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wrong podcast for you, bad use of your money.

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Speaker 2: I buy it for now.

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Speaker 1: I bought a Jeff Gordon phone that was fifty dollars.

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It's probably worth the same amount as your NFTs, but

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just weird. And also basketball wise, KPJ and Zoos sharing

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the floor. We saw them work a little bit together

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in Game one. Zoo set him a screen, he turned

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it into a difficult looking jumper that he did hit.

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But that's a part of his game that I think

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Tyler wants to be better. Is na just to pick

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and which is like that. The Clippers are kind of

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built up, and if KPJ can figure out how to

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run the pick and roll for your agenda, that would

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be huge for him for.

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Speaker 2: My agenda especially. But I do think he has been

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described as a poor man's James Harden. He's a lefty,

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he ISOs a lot gets into his bag. Now, a

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poor man's James Harden could be an inefficient player that

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isn't that valuable in the league. He has to turn

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into somebody who is not so much a poor man's

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James Harden, but a serviceable James Harden out there, somebody

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that can mimic what James Harden does to bridge the

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gap in their offense and continue to hold on to

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that foundation of the high pick and roll. And I

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think that's part of the reason. I believe, you know,

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at some point, whether he's in the starting backcourt or

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just playing heavy minutes. I think this is someone that

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Coach Lou wants to develop and sees the vision for

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him being a big part of this team, based upon

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his quote saying for us to have success, he's gonna

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have to have a big impact. I really believe that,

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and he has some of the tools that you were

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looking for. It needs to be fostered and it needs

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to be more developed, and we need to see where

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he's at basketball wise after not playing since April twenty

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twenty three. But I saw a lot of positives in

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that game because you see he goes one for five,

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and like three of those shots were gimmes that he

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just would you know, would make any other time, and

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probably the toughest shots the one he made. So I'm

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not overly concerned with rhythm and timing, but I want

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to see him play another twenty minutes in uh San

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Diego tomorrow night and continue to, I don't know, give

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us a glimpse maybe into the future with what we

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can hope for with KPJ and how Coach Lee wants

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to use him.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into some stuff we want to

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see from specific guys in a sack, but there was

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a lot of bad stuff that we'd like to see

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changed from the first game. I put it in the breakdown, Adam,

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if I missed anything, please let me know. I got turnovers, transition, defense,

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offensive process as a whole, with specific highlighting the three

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point attempts and the three point percentage, because we saw

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what was bad about the Clippers last year, right they

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lost the field goal They lost the field goal attempts battle,

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which I hope people are worried about because that is

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kind of one of Tyler's things. And the process. Everything

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just looked difficult. And again it's preseason. Which of those

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things do you want to see worked? Which one you

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just want to see a little better in game two?

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Speaker 2: What is your comment regarding the three point shooting in

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this area and what happened on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I mean, I didn't think they got

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enough up they got thirty five up, but I think

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I agree y towards the end, it was like, Okay,

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everyone's getting some threes out. This is cool. You're right,

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they need to be higher in the attempts, and I mean,

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I like man, I wish normally played fifteen minutes. So

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Jones Junior was in foul trouble. He only played like

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eleven minutes because he got that early foul trouble, and

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he took three threes, so I want him to take more.

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But I think it's just the amount of attempts and

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how just difficult.

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Speaker 2: They kind of looked for teams with lesser talent, and

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the Clippers kind of been ale the pack in that area,

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depending on quay as available. Then all of a sudden, No,

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it's pretty damn good duo they have at the top end,

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but they have to play the math game more. And

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the Clippers know this and they've talked about it in

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norm I think even referenced exactly how many threes they

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attempted last season on average at thirty three at media

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Day and saying how they need to get that up.

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That is an equalizer oute there for a lesser team,

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because the number is shooting thirty three percent from three

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is the equivalent of fifty percent from two. That that's

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why teams do it, That's why it's beneficial so even

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if you were shooting below league average at thirty three percent,

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League average is about thirty six percent, it can still

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help you with the volume at times. The Clippers have

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always been about taking the right type of threes, but

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I think they have to divert from that a little

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bit because they can't beggars, can't be choosers, but make.

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Speaker 1: Some stuff happen threes, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it has to be more based on volume

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than just you know, we're such a good offense before

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that they could really just pick and choose how they

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want to pick you. Apart, they have so many ways

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to beat you, so we're not going to force any

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bad three pointers. They may have to force a few more,

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Like they may need to get to like thirty I

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would say you get to thirty seven attempts per game.

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If they got up four more three pointers per game

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and that was their average thirty seven attempts, I think

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they'd be in better shape offensively. And it's usually a

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telltale sign that our offense is also humming a little

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bit because you're hoping that if you're getting that many up,

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a lot of them are going to be open threes,

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Like if a Tom is taking threes, they're usually going

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to be open threes because he's just catching shoot guys.

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They have all these catch and shoot guys that aren't

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going to just create them or try fade away threes

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or step back threes with the crab dribble like James Harden.

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They have to be in their element and shoot them

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how they're comfortable or in the way that they are comfortable.

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So I'm gonna put the number thirty seven that I'd

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like to see them get at this season. That should

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be the average three pointers attempted per game. I mean,

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even if team like the Lakers now with JJ Reddick,

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they know what they're doing with that. He said, I'm

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glad we got up forty threes. He joked about getting

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into fifty next time. But like if you aren't playing

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some of these analytic games, Like I can't stress this enough.

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The Boston Celtics, they got up I think about forty

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per game in the NBA Finals, they only shot thirty

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three percent three, and they still dismantled Dallas in five

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games even while shooting just thirty three percent from three,

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because Dallas wasn't taking enough, like they just they were

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pretty much doa like for them to win that series,

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they needed to take more three pointers. They didn't. They

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didn't have the personnel. They don't have that type of offense.

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And the Clippers, this is something they're gonna have to do.

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And James Harden knows how to get guys shots and

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knows how to get up three pointers. Mike D'Antoni kind

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of revolutionize this. So the Clippers are equipped, They have

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the right guys to do it, they have the game plan,

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they know they need to do it just needs to

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play out. So I'm with you, like they didn't take enough,

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at least when during more consequential minutes you could say.

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Speaker 1: That's what's hard too, is that it's like very happy

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Kobe Brown made half his threes. Let's put it into

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some context, you know what I mean. I hope in

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the first half we see twenty three point attempts because

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that's when the most rostery eyes are going to be

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out there. Good things to keep from the first game,

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there weren't a ton and I don't mean that again,

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it's preseason game one, so.

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Speaker 2: I think is concerned. Also, was they got out rebounded

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on offensive rebounds nineteen to nine.

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Speaker 1: Dude, did you. There was an image burning in my brain.

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I think it's Kai, and it might be Derek Jones.

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Speaker 2: I looked rough, guys. Kai looked like a guy who

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had not played basketball in a long time and also

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just didn't have much feel out there at all.

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Speaker 1: He needs to set better screens his screen time as

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the backup five, which Harden was working with him in

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training camp today. If you're getting time as the backup five,

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you I, you have to set good screens. You can't

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half after your screens. Dude, you're the only backup five

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we have right now.

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Speaker 2: He was setting like ghost screens. You had said if

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you're about to pick and pop for a three pointer, was.

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Speaker 1: Setting three screens like where it's like a guy you

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don't know set a screen.

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Speaker 2: I am rooting for Kai, and I felt like I

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was almost overly harsh post game because it was really

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tough performance from him, But I also was pushing back

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against people who you know, this was a good example

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of NBA basketball versus guy dunking and getting highlights in

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an open gym run and you think, oh, he has

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all this athleticism that means he can be the starter

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over It meets the zoobots, and some people are trying

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to tell us, like, you guys have no idea what

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it's going to be like out there.

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Speaker 1: Good, he needs to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: But he's young and he's got time. But I think

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that probably should have been a wake up call for

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the Kai Jones hive thinking that he could start or

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even be the backup right away. He's he's not from

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that one game, and I hope he looks much better

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tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: He's not that.

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Speaker 2: Close to where you want to see a backup big

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b at to play real NBA minutes. This is not

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Daniel Tice, this is Mason Plumley. Like he looked pretty

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far away from that, and you know it could come quick,

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and maybe it is just rust he hasn't played in

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a while either. Then played real minutes. But that was

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that was That was tough. That was tough to watch.

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Speaker 1: Someone who was mad at me because I did a

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little live after someone was mad at me. They're like,

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kai Jones grabbed all our rebounds, what are you talking about?

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And I was like, let's let's chill. First of all,

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Kobe Brown had the most rebounds on the team.

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Speaker 2: Second of all's boxing out was not good, guys, that's

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I think.

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Speaker 1: So there's a clip. It was like, I'm trying to

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find the tweet that I sent from at Clippers pod

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if you're not following us where it was like, I

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think it was Kai and Derek Jones Junior, who does

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not like being called DJJ. We learned that today from

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while Murray do not call Derrek Jones Junior DJJ.

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Speaker 2: I was kind of sick of it anyways, because it

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kind of was kind of weird fung twister and then

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he's thinking, PJ and Bill thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, it was Kai and Derek Jones Junior

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letting pods getting offensive rebound. I'm like, guys, this is

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this shit cannot happen. Kai is not good.

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Speaker 2: Kai looked like a guy with freakish athleticism that didn't

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have much basketball sense out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what it's no disrespect.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not like he didn't get many minutes on

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a bad Charlotte Hornets team. He has potential. He does,

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and I am rooting for him, and I think he's

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going to get that two way spot, but he does

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need to improve upon that preseason game one performance. Tomorrow night,

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he does, and that was by the way, a big

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opportunity because Obama couldn't go in that game. I don't

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know if he's playing tomorrow, so Kai ended up getting

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over twenty minutes, so I don't I don't If Obama's back,

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he may get less time that it was consequential, or

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it could be I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, you know me, I'm worried about the backup

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five spot every day of my life.

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Speaker 2: Oh it ain't March anymore.

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Speaker 1: So back well, there are seventeen games in one of

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the months uh.

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Speaker 2: So played out. I mean, come on, there's we get

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that every year now, seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: Of marsh easy good things to keep from the first game,

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Harden and Zoo being aggressive. Harden looked phenomenal. Zoobots also phenomenal.

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I have no notes on their performances except I would

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like to see James Harden hit more than one of

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four threes.

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Speaker 2: But that's just nitpicking, and that one was a four pointer.

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Speaker 1: That's true, dude. The three that Norm hit was so funny.

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I've never seen a fuck you three is the first

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basket of the game.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of like, oh, are we playing? Yeah,

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not going to guard me? Then I'll take this well.

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Speaker 1: It almost looked like everyone but him knew which basket

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they were supposed to be going to because there was

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I was watching it, I was like, did they blow

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a whistle? Why is no one next to nor.

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Speaker 2: normOn looked amazing by the way he looked so smooth

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with it. That reverse layup he had with the left hand,

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and it was nasty.

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Speaker 1: He's ready. Well, you want to see more good norm

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good heartening zoo and then Terrence's activity on the boards

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as a starter is going to be I.

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Speaker 2: Was a good call by you. I thought he was

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very good there last game.

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Speaker 1: Can he do it with the starters?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to do That's kind of been his issue.

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His boxing out was great. I thought it was obvious

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that he had an intent on getting boards and that

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was part of the messaging coming out of training camp.

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Speaker 1: What other good thing would you like to see before

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we give these listeners, not the viewers. The viewers have

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to stick with us the whole time. These listeners a

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quick audio break.

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Speaker 2: I need both Derek Jones Jr. And Chris Dunn to

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hit a three pointer. Hell yeah, keep taking him and

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I want to see both guys hit him, just to

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remind yourself get the confidence going. Derek Jones Junior is

476
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:54,599
coming off a bad final series shooting wise. Chris Don

477
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,680
we just don't know where he's at with three points

478
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,119
shooting really not enough enough sample size, So put him

479
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,559
up and do not shy away from it. Uh who else?

480
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,799
A mere Coffee look really good in game one. I'm

481
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:10,880
not even worried about him, like he.

482
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: Liked Player of the Game pick. You could tell so

483
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,079
I talked about this too. I think you mentioned this

484
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000
on your stream too. You can tell the difference between

485
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,240
someone who's played in the NBA for five seasons, even

486
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:26,920
at the role that Amir Coffee has had, and guys

487
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,000
who have not played in the NBA at all. Amir

488
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:31,160
knows how to do the job.

489
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Emir. While they were getting most of their points were

490
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,519
coming easily in transition. The Clippers' defense was really good overall.

491
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,599
When they were giving up points, it was on broken

492
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,720
plays basically where Golden State was finding the open man

493
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,359
as the defense was scattered. But outside of that, the

494
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,400
Clippers were pretty good. I do want to see Jordan

495
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,759
Miller take more shots. Yes, we only attempted three. Was

496
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:03,440
one for three. You got a little push out to

497
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,039
go in the lane, which she was doing a lot

498
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:08,079
of in the Summer League. I just need to be

499
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:09,799
more aggressive. I still like what I saw at the

500
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,119
very end. He had two deflextions on the inbounds pass

501
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:17,319
using that wingspan, but a more aggressive Jordan Miller. I'd

502
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,640
encourage that for Game two.

503
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I could not agree more. We're doing an

504
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,359
ad break. If you're listening, Sorry, sorry about the ads,

505
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,079
but we need to do that to keep the lights on.

506
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:30,160
That's how we pay for special diet sodas, and how

507
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,039
I pay for fifteen of the exact same hat so

508
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,160
I can wear them for this show. Coming up, we're

509
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,640
gonna be talking what do we want to see from

510
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,880
specific guys, and we're gonna just openly wonder if the

511
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,279
game is televised or not. So we have some radio

512
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,759
some audio ads coming up. Visually, we're still here hanging out.

513
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,519
If you want to miss out on these audio breaks,

514
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,000
you can watch us all on Clippers dot com, YouTube,

515
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dot com, slash Ad Clippers podcast maybe one day Clippers

516
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517
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audio ads coming up in three two one.

518
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: Welcome back in it's Clips and Dips season three, episode seventeen.

519
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
I'm out of Maaz and we got Chef Mockler and

520
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Will Updyke is out out and about.

521
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: He's still on the show. He's just he's gone.

522
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: He's gone.

523
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:19,559
Speaker 1: He might not come back from Japan. If I got

524
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:21,559
it in another world, if I got a text from

525
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,640
Will that was like, I'm not coming back, I'd be like, Okay,

526
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,720
I'm not try from Will. I'm sad. I'm not surprised.

527
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 2: He found his scarlet Johansson and he's out.

528
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, yeah, is this game going to be televised?

529
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,400
I don't.

530
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,599
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, selfishly, I'm just gonna say no because we're

531
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,359
gonna have it on the radio side, and I want

532
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,480
people to listen there. But I think that's also accurate,

533
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000
at least in Los Angeles. Uh, that's what I'm hearing.

534
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,519
I don't know for sure, but we'll have it on

535
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,400
the Patriot even fifty six game.

536
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: Oh, we're on the Patriot tomorrow.

537
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: Okay, Dodgers are on five seventy coour god, not for

538
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,720
much longer.

539
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 1: Get out of my face. Don't do this to me.

540
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,599
I had don't do this. Don't you're what I wore.

541
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks hat in the first round last year. You

542
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,880
guys are pissed.

543
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, rightfully so. So we just we talked about Jordan

544
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,559
Miller a little bit, and we're talking what we want

545
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:35,640
to see from specific guys. Justin Rousseau, our favorite French

546
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,279
Canadian reporter, had a tweet that Jordan Miller's I could

547
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,759
go make something happen. Guy, and the Clippers this season

548
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:47,000
are going to need people to just go make some

549
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,920
shit happen, and I want to. I agree with you.

550
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,680
I want to see Jordan Miller make some more stuff

551
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,039
happen earlier in the game. I want to see him

552
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:59,960
get some run with some guys who aren't twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

553
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,200
fifteen on the roster, or against guys that aren't twelve

554
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:05,039
or fifteen. You know.

555
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see him be challenged a little

556
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,119
bit with some first unit guys out there too. That'd

557
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:16,039
be nice to see. Carlo brought up an interesting point

558
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:21,759
because of you know, the flight back and not much time.

559
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,799
Starters may play less in this game for the Clippers,

560
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,759
and you could see more of the young guys in

561
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,559
the backups in San Diego. Okay, therefore, he might get

562
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:37,359
his shot. He's also going up against who was it

563
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:42,079
Jalen Wilson who was the MVP of the Summer League

564
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,759
when it should have been Jordan Miller. This is a

565
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,680
Jordan Miller revenge game written all over it.

566
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Yes, more Jordan Miller. We talked about

567
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,880
better screens from Kai Jones No foul Trouble from Derek

568
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,359
Jones Junior. I wanted to get your thoughts on this

569
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240
take that I had by myself. Occasionally it can be

570
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,720
bad takes that my brain comes up with. Derek Jones Jr.

571
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,119
If he's playing the four, which we're kind of assuming

572
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,400
he's going to be tomorrow night for the Clippers, he's

573
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,960
smaller than the average four, so he's gonna have to

574
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,519
use his body more when he's defending regular sized force.

575
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,359
The whistle that night really dictates how effective he's gonna

576
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,839
be able to be defending the four position, and I

577
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,559
hope that he's able to get used to that in

578
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,319
the preseason, because they let a point guard beat the

579
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,119
hell out of a center when they're guarding him, but

580
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,079
they don't let a three just you know, manhandle a

581
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:37,079
four or something like that.

582
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me think about how, you know, the playoffs,

583
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,960
they let so much go, especially to the first couple

584
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:49,839
games of that series, and overall they swallow whistle a

585
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,319
little bit more, lets you play more physical brand of basketball.

586
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440
There is hand checking at times, despite what people think

587
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,319
it is a judgment call. It happens plenty, and he

588
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,839
benefits from that with his length and the way he's

589
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:07,119
able to move his feet. Uh. Yeah, I don't want

590
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:08,839
to see him get into foul trouble. I want to

591
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,599
see him get some confidence with this shot out there.

592
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,839
As I mentioned earlier, I want to see him take

593
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
and knock down a three pointer. Saw some fluage of

594
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,119
him working on catching shoot threes earlier today at the

595
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,759
new practice facility, first time they had an official practice

596
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:25,559
there with the Clippers, which is pretty cooled into it

597
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,799
home beautiful red. Yeah, we've been out there on that

598
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,880
practice court. We got the tour, I was in.

599
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,559
Speaker 1: Some catching and shoot threes. They didn't put that on

600
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:35,240
the social media.

601
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: They set the bar too high then, guys, one of

602
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:52,640
our lankier media members. So yeah, I think if he

603
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,839
gets run, he and Chris Dodd just need to, I

604
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
don't know, find a little bit of a rhythm he

605
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,200
year and give us more of a look of how

606
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,480
they're going to play during the regular season. I just

607
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,200
want to see everybody kind of be a little bit

608
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,319
more focused out there, more crisp with their play in general.

609
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,319
Speaker 1: Yes, Crisp is a great just I want to see

610
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,759
it look like there's been a clear difference between preseason

611
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,079
game two and preseason game one, you know. And I

612
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,960
that that rotation thing is interesting because we're like, I

613
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
hope we get to see some more Cam Christy if

614
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,920
not for Cachristy's confidence, you know. And also KPJ is

615
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,200
probably gonna play What did you play last game? He

616
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,960
played fifteen? I bet given the rotation stuff, he's over twenty.

617
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Did he only play in the first half?

618
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? He only? So that was the other interesting thing.

619
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,440
There was a clear like I mean again not crazy,

620
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
like there's clearly the top law Murray true. I like

621
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,240
that top ten. No, kb J was split. He did

622
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,599
eight first half like eight second that's what stat's on

623
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,039
NBAE me I uh, But the second half was like, dude,

624
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,559
that was That's what's difficult about preseason basketball and where

625
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,160
the argument comes in in preseason vers Summer league in

626
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,240
terms of like the second half that was brutal. It

627
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,680
was not good basketball. It was a close game.

628
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Well they went Yeah, the first five minutes of the

629
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,920
third quarter, the Clippers had three points. They were having

630
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680
a hard time out there. To their credit, they call

631
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,720
it time out. JBG and Coach lou got them back

632
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,319
into some sets and some actions and I think they

633
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,559
had nineteen points in the last seven minutes, so that

634
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:42,440
it was crazy quarter. But yeah, they need to execute

635
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,039
at a higher level in this game. I know progress

636
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,039
isn't linear, but I don't think it's asking a lot

637
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,880
to see a step up from game one to gain

638
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,000
the preseason Give.

639
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: Me one standard was it four inch by four inch?

640
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,960
That's like the standard step. Give me a standard step up. Yeah,

641
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,440
we're like that lady walking into a new year. You know,

642
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,200
she's stepping on twenty twenty or walking into twenty twenty five.

643
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,760
Trying to think of what you mentioned. Tighter play like,

644
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,440
it's just really that right, better decision making, fewer turnovers,

645
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:18,199
better transition defense. You could probably clip what we just

646
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,960
talked about and play it for every loss the Clippers

647
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,639
may have if they do lose a game in the

648
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,360
upcoming season. But we're seeing, we're figuring out what needs

649
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,440
to get fixed pretty quickly.

650
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: I'll give them credit for playing hard. I think it's

651
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,440
almost working against them right now, Like there was great

652
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,360
effort and the guys were playing hard. People are just

653
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,480
out of position and out of sink and there isn't

654
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,840
that built up familiarity. And I think coach Leo has

655
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,760
talked about this during training camp after some practices, say like,

656
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,880
we're playing hard out there, we just got to play

657
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,480
a little bit smarter. There's definitely a be quick, don't

658
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,039
hurry on wooden line when it comes to this team

659
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,880
right now. Yeah, and you know you don't hate that.

660
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,199
That's not the worst place to be. Guys are definitely competing.

661
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,639
Speaker 1: It is good.

662
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're just off. They're not playing together totally.

663
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: It's not a unit yet, which again that's where I

664
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,559
think tomorrow, however long the starters are gonna play, it

665
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,960
will be nice to see the Norm harden Man guys

666
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:17,639
know each other.

667
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I almost take back that comment earlier.

668
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: No, it takes backsie, no takes the vaccine.

669
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: Not to go against Carlow, but I could see starters

670
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,840
still getting some run Terrence Man, we know is gonna

671
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,480
be the starting lineup some run at least because there's

672
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480
gonna be I think, just like in Hawaii, a little

673
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,920
bit of fan service because they're playing in San Diego,

674
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,760
they're in Ocean Side, they're at the new facility there,

675
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,199
and they want to put on a good show for

676
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,239
the fans to get them excited about the G League

677
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,199
that's gonna be there all season long. So I think

678
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,599
maybe the starters will get more run than I realized.

679
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,519
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean they need it. No disrespect

680
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:54,400
to the starters, but.

681
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true too, Like if there's a they're new

682
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,360
together too. Not everybody has five preseason games the Clippers do,

683
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,679
and I think there's a reason for that. Like great, yeah,

684
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,719
they need more time out there together. If any team does,

685
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,920
there isn't as much built up continuity because so many

686
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,440
of the pieces that are brought in are significant and

687
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,119
have to be implemented. And then also you're just missing

688
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,760
Kawhi right now, so playing more hard and ball. How

689
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,880
do we do this? I know a lot of guys

690
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:30,239
do they have They have a good idea, but it's

691
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,639
still it is one thing to uh, you know, know

692
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,480
what you need to do. It's another to actually go

693
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:36,000
out there and.

694
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Do it totally what who is your I picked him

695
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,239
your coffee for the player the Kawhi Leonard James Harden

696
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,559
Unified Player of the Game, belt will pick Chris Dunn,

697
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,159
who was not the player of the game. I don't

698
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,199
think I'm here Coffee was the player of the game either.

699
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,239
I think I norm that was the best you were

700
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,679
right then?

701
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: I know nobody's picking Zoo could have been it, but

702
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,000
that almost felt too easy, right.

703
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: That's five for sec? Okay, Yeah, he had fourteen and six.

704
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,840
I'm like, exactly what I expected. Who's your pick? Who's

705
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,840
gonna shine tomorrow night? Maybe only over the radio waves? Uh?

706
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: For the LA Clippers, Carlo Mio is gonna shine? Jordan Miller. Hell,

707
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,239
I'm going with Jordan Miller. I just three shots is

708
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
not a lot for what should have been the Summer

709
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,239
League MVP. And Jalen Wilson got another thing coming in

710
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,159
this ball game. Oh he's gonna feel it. You already

711
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,360
beat him in the Summer League had to head. His

712
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,960
individual play was better, his team went further. There was

713
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,519
absolutely no reason that Jordan Miller shouldn't have been the

714
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,360
Summer League MVP. He's gonna prove it tomorrow night. I

715
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:51,039
love it and give me a fourteen five and.

716
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,559
Speaker 3: Two performance fourteen okay, five boards to assists? Okay, cool,

717
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,840
I'm gonna go. I hope Derek Jones Junior doesn't push

718
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,920
it too hard energy wise, like you were just talking

719
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,400
about in terms of playing harder versus playing smarter, like

720
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Dilbert's boss used to say, in terms of working. I

721
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,280
hope Derek Jones Junior comes out and show like most

722
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,480
people are comfortable with him starting. I hope he shows

723
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,239
why he's starting tomorrow, you know. I hope we see

724
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,039
some good defense. I want to see him throw one down.

725
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,800
I just want to see a lob from Harden to

726
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,760
Derek Jones Junior. I think it's gonna be Derek Jones Junior. Okay,

727
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,880
And I think Will would pick Kai Jones. We're gonna

728
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,519
say Will would pick Kai Jones.

729
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,559
Speaker 1: J Yeah, okay, we were Let's talk about We'll talk

730
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,719
about PJ and then we'll talk about the Kuhi quotes.

731
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Was this the least surprising thing to happen?

732
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,159
Speaker 2: Pretty much like I had been asking everybody, so, are

733
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,840
PJ and Bones gonna be at training camp? Guys? Bones

734
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,280
was there?

735
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: PJ?

736
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: Was there? I didn't see him on the court, but

737
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,559
he was on the bench. But now he no longer is.

738
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,800
He is away from the team. And I don't know

739
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,599
you feel about it, but I mean, I have an idea.

740
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: I feel. I feel. I think I talked about this

741
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,039
when all this stuff first started coming out. I feel sad.

742
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: Taking this guy doesn't realize where he's at in his career.

743
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,199
Speaker 1: Yes, and I don't mean that disrespectfully. He's the second.

744
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,960
I will stay the oldest because I don't count Lebron

745
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,280
as the oldest player in the league because he is

746
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,920
in a whole other section of human beings and how

747
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,480
they take care of their bodies. He is forty. He

748
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,960
has a ring. That's the other part is I'm like, dude,

749
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,679
you like you have a ring. I understand wanting eleven

750
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,719
million dollars. I'm not knocking him for wanting to have

751
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,920
his eleven million dollars. I get that, but like I'm

752
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,400
not either.

753
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: I am knocking him forgetting it and then saying, now

754
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,960
trade me. Sure, it's like you could have gone wherever

755
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,480
you wanted, you could have just not opted in, right.

756
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: But that I'm just like bummed, because man, you're done.

757
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,920
And I don't mean this hate or vitul in my heart,

758
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:10,239
but you're forty.

759
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: Coach lou said at one point last season he was

760
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,599
like PJ. Tucker is seventy five years old. He was

761
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,079
joking about the situation and him wing a play and

762
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,840
put it pretty plainly.

763
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's in it. It does bum you out,

764
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,119
and it's not you know, it's different back in the

765
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,000
day when like you wouldn't really hear about some of

766
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:30,159
this stuff, but because of twenty four news cycle, social

767
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:33,320
media all that stuff, like you know what I mean,

768
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,760
you're just like, this is a bummer from a going

769
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,000
out gracefully standpoint. Not that everyone should, but talking to

770
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,400
the media now he's away from the team, it's like,

771
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,519
where do you want to go? Man? They're trying to

772
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,719
find a place to trade you. They cannot. It's not

773
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,880
like the Clippers have been like, please play for us.

774
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,599
This has been so good, dude.

775
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,039
Speaker 2: They like trying to trade you since the deadline and

776
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,599
it didn't work. They couldn't get they could wouldn't find

777
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,760
a trade partner. Like he's an expiring contract. They have

778
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:10,519
that in their favor. People have brought up Kelly Olynnok

779
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,079
to me. They have said Larry Dance Junior is like, guys,

780
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,519
they're not doing that. There's no way they're doing it. Like,

781
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,639
I don't care. They have an extra year in their contract,

782
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:25,679
they can get more, like uh, some people are bringing

783
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
up what's his name from Portland who makes thirty million

784
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,480
dollars Williams.

785
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: Robert Williams. People are there's a lot of Clippers meet

786
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,559
some Clippers media as well. I would say borderline infatuated

787
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,960
with the idea of trading bones Highland who haven't talked

788
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,920
about who did not have a very good preseason game

789
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,320
one NPJ Tucker for Robert Williams. But I'm like, I

790
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,519
don't think they would do that.

791
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,559
Speaker 2: Probably not, even though Robert Williams is hurt again and

792
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,719
I don't see the Benett. The only benefit could be

793
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,039
does he have like two more years left on the deal?

794
00:41:58,119 --> 00:41:58,679
Like I don't know.

795
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: That's the we have Robert Williams, and then it just

796
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960
we're just like, well, what do we do with Robert Williams.

797
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: Now, they're definitely if they're getting rid of him, they're

798
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,679
either going to have to package him with someone to

799
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,679
get a player of significance back, or they're also getting

800
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,760
back and expiring deal. They're not trading a guy for

801
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,840
somebody else who's not playing that has an extra year

802
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,320
on his.

803
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,079
Speaker 1: Contracce does I was going to say, yeah, it's this

804
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:23,760
year and the next er.

805
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: I don't think they're doing it unless Robert Williams they

806
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,840
believe can turn things around with his health, which unfortunately, man,

807
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,159
I love Robert Williams, Like you should have had a

808
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,480
ring with Boston, Like they could have won with him

809
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,280
and he was playing hurt during the finals. A couple

810
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,719
of years ago. I wore the Clippers for draft him.

811
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,519
I was high on that.

812
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: But but and then this is like so now it's like, now,

813
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,559
where do you want to go? PJ want to Charlotte

814
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:50,559
and play? Or like what is.

815
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,559
Speaker 2: Also want a contender? Like you also want to be

816
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,679
on a team that can compete this year. It's the

817
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,480
ultimate to me, you know what's your cake and eat

818
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:03,159
it too. Where I want the contract, I want the

819
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,000
eleven million. I also want to be traded to a

820
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,400
team I want to go to. It's like, wait a second,

821
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,039
you opt it in. You don't have no trade clause

822
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,559
wherever we can send you. At this point, we're sending

823
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,719
you That's that's how I would operate. But I think

824
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,760
the Clippers they're really trying to do right by him.

825
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,639
They're really trying to accommodate if they can, Like I don't.

826
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,079
Speaker 1: Know, cause you kind of have to too, right His.

827
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: Agent could have Yeah, other guys.

828
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: He just hid in people. Yeah, Like it's.

829
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Are other people going to understand the situation the Clippers

830
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,119
were in? This is really difficult right now, Like this

831
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,239
is not on them.

832
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: We need a four too, if like if he could play,

833
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,559
the Clippers would play PJ. Tucker. We need a four.

834
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,679
Speaker 2: I can't get over how he started a must win game.

835
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,400
I can't get over that.

836
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,559
Speaker 1: I can't get over that. And I can't get over

837
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:57,559
him saying he had the hardest adjustment of anyone in

838
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,519
the James Harden to the Clippers trade.

839
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that one.

840
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of force, how are we are you reading into

841
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,079
the Kawhi quote as much as some other people are.

842
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,480
Kawhi Leonard, when asked about his position and playing power forward,

843
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,840
who was the power forward last year? It's going to

844
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,599
be the same thing pretty much. But we got to

845
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,199
control what we can control. I probably ran the top

846
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,920
five most miles per game last year or top ten

847
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,440
all coming off with Tormaniscus, So we got to see

848
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,840
if that's beneficial for me or not.

849
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,119
Speaker 2: With the way you put it, it does seem like messaging

850
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:31,800
towards the front up.

851
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I read it a little bitually. I say, I.

852
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,159
Speaker 2: Still don't think it said he's stronger than what he

853
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,440
said last year until we get a real one.

854
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: That was pretty strong point.

855
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: So him adding on to the fact, and he's right

856
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,679
about this because Lt. Murray checked on the Clippers at

857
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,320
least he averaged the most miles ran per game. That

858
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,639
doesn't seem when we've been looking for this answer for

859
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,440
a while. What's more physical, much more taxing between playing

860
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,400
the three and the four? Apparently it is playing the four.

861
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,800
Like so in that case, I mean, I agree with him,

862
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,119
Like whatever is going to have him have to move

863
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,039
less out there is what we should want right now.

864
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,480
It's easier said than dodge. Just go get a four,

865
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,400
Like who are they giving up? Who are these fours

866
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,400
that are all available?

867
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't know to start? Yeah, starting fours?

868
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: Like could you just start Niko Batum the four?

869
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: Give him? So you give him, you give Nico the

870
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Gortat start at the four right, long time. Wow, maybe

871
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,639
not long time, but I am getting older mid to

872
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,199
longtime Clippers fans. We'll remember the Polish Hammer. Of course,

873
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
he had the gortat start like he would play like

874
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,679
seven minutes or whatever, and then Zoo would come in

875
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,719
for most of like everything else. Maybe you have Batoum

876
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,920
start at the four to set the tone defensively because

877
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,079
we know he can do that.

878
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:02,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I wonder because you want him later in

879
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,960
the game. This was something they even used to talk

880
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,880
about with Kawhi when he was first coming back from

881
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,480
the ACL But I think in general with players, because

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,360
you want him later in the game and because he's

883
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,320
only going to be playing twenty minutes or so a night,

884
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,280
is starting batoomb and then having him run cold for

885
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,199
like maybe an hour before he gets back out there

886
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,280
on the court in real time? Is that the issue?

887
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,639
You know? I don't know, but I think it should

888
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,199
be an option because he's still good at it. I

889
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,039
also don't think that's great for Bratuna to have to

890
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,760
go up against other starting fours at thirty six when

891
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,440
he's turning. In December, we.

892
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,639
Speaker 1: Talk about Kawhi being maybe not physically able to hold

893
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,280
up to the four. We all love Niko Batum, but

894
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,320
as you mentioned, and he's played a lot of basketball.

895
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,079
He had Olympics and he had euro Basket.

896
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: And she played I think the most minutes of France

897
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:03,239
guarding Shay Guardian shrewder right a badass the foe position.

898
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: Please don't send us any trade ideas yet.

899
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: I'll send a chuck guys, it's cool.

900
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Send them. It will post market one two three, Opdike Avenue, Tokyo, Japan.

901
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,360
I don't know what their zip codes are over there.

902
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,599
I assume probably efficient and make total sense.

903
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,559
Speaker 2: So what's the Weezer song across the Sea on Pinkerton?

904
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,079
You are eighteen year old Will who lives a small.

905
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if we are how Weezer feels about

906
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,679
that one? Now, all right, I think that's kind of

907
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,960
it in the Clippers verse. Until we most definitely have

908
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,320
things to talk about after game two. There may be

909
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,920
a postgame stream. It depends if I listen on to

910
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:53,960
the game. I'm gonna try and watch it. I'll do

911
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:55,639
my best to listen to it as everyone else should.

912
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:59,119
If it's only available on there, we're gonna be Are

913
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:00,280
we doing a double dyptum? Morrow.

914
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: Probably, I just there's a lot up in the air.

915
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:09,079
I'm gonna be there in San Diego. Nobody knows how

916
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,960
long they're giving us before they break stuff down. Probably

917
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,199
maybe I don't know. Maybe maybe it's on TV. Maybe

918
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:15,679
we're doing it.

919
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,559
Speaker 1: We are the podcast of maybe everybody? Are the Clippers

920
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:21,480
gonna win it all? Yes, we can give you a

921
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,480
definitive answer to that. If will and will spirit it

922
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:30,119
is our year. Oh no, yeah, now he's mad at me.

923
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,760
A full clips and dip episode will be out on

924
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Wednesday or Thursday, talking more preseason reviews. Help. If you're

925
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,239
listening to us, we do really appreciate it. You can

926
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,079
find us anywhere if you listen to podcasts. If you

927
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,119
watch us, I think you can only watch us at

928
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,880
YouTube dot com the Hot Clippers Podcast. We appreciate that

929
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,519
as well. Subscribe. We're gonna be doing probably around three

930
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,920
episodes per week during the season, unless some crazy winning

931
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,360
streak starts and then we just have to do an

932
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,840
episode every day so we don't break that Adam as

933
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,599
his tradition. Oh, if you're missing the dip segment. We

934
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,840
got yelled at a lot for not talking about dips

935
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,559
before this season. Basketball is back. We're not doing dips

936
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:15,280
anymore unless you send us one that we absolutely have

937
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,679
to try.

938
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,679
Speaker 2: This is gonna be perishable or that's.

939
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,639
Speaker 3: On them maybe is a bit.

940
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: I guess if it's tostitos, it'll be good for twenty

941
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,480
twenty six.

942
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh that that spicy fredo whatever bean dip I have

943
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,519
that's going in the old dudes day prep.

944
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Speaker 2: Kid, that'll outlive the apocalypse.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Because before we get out of here,

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adam one positive thing to send these Clippers fans out

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on this beautiful October.

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Speaker 2: Evening, I mean first game of the preseason held the

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teams in ninety one points. No, they couldn't stop them,

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getting that long three poort ago at the very end,

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and that was impressive by Waters. But the defensive identity,

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it could be underway this Clippers team. They knew the assignment,

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you could say, and I'm hoping that's gonna keep going

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against Brooklyn tomorrow night because it is meaningful preseason basketball

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training camp, building a culture, building an identity, things to

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fall back on when things get tough during the regular season.

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It all happens now, And I really like man James

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Harden is omitting a lot of leadership right now. He

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is showing off leadership skills like we've never seen before

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maybe or I don't know, at least as a Clipper,

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we're not as used to this from James Harden. He's

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only been here for a little bit, but it's cool

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to see him working with everyone. And I don't know,

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they haven't had obviously much of a vocal leader in

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the two P one to three era. James Harden certainly

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being a vocal leader right now for this Clippers team

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is good to see.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah it is. That wraps it up for us.

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Thank you for watching, thank you for listening, and as always,

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let's go clips.