WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.160 Karen. Yes, what do you get when you mix divine wisdom, 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:09.839 spiritual empowerment and a direct line to the Great Council 3 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:10.160 of Light. 4 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:12.599 Sounds like a heavenly cupcake. 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:15.080 Heavenly cupcake? 6 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.039 What you said? And I went to cooking. No, that's 7 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:17.760 a great. 8 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:19.879 That's like the way better way to describe her than 9 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:21.839 I can ever imagine. That's such a great way to 10 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.640 explain it. No, you get this week's guest, of course, 11 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:28.280 and that's Pamela Downs. Of course, a heavenly cupcake. That's perfect. 12 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.760 But she's a spiritual guide who's helping people literally live 13 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.640 their calling. Right. Pamela is going to blow our minds 14 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.960 again with her journey of channeling divine guidance, running her 15 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:44.240 spirit calling community and oh yeah, answering the big question 16 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.320 are we all destined for greatness? Or is it just 17 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:53.359 a lucky few who get that VIP pass from the universe. Plus, 18 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.960 we'll get into the real deal and what's activating our 19 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.600 inner wisdom? Actually, what that actually looks like? Hint, No, 20 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.119 it does involve a crystal ball, but it might involve 21 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.879 a couple of crystals. Okay, we'll get into that. The 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.280 episode is packed with clarity, laughs, and maybe even a 23 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.640 message straight from the Cosmo. So buckle up, skeptics and seekers, 24 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:14.760 like this ride is going intergalactic, and it's one you 25 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.959 do not want to miss because it might just be 26 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.560 the divine nudge you didn't know that you needed. The 27 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:24.640 Skeptic Metasicians starts now. My name is Will and I'm Karen, 28 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:27.439 and unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So 29 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.239 we've embarked in a journey of discovery. 30 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:31.879 We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and 31 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.799 metaphysical world. 32 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:36.120 We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even 33 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:37.560 joined a coven of witches. 34 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.079 And wait, you joined a coven yep. 35 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.840 All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will 36 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.280 prove that there's something beyond this physical. 37 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.599 Three dimensional world we all live in. 38 00:01:46.799 --> 00:02:01.599 This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey, there on, Will, and 39 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.000 our guest today is someone that you have already met 40 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.439 a long time ago, and she makes a repeat performance 41 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.800 here on the show today, and we couldn't be more excited. 42 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.000 She has dedicated her life to helping others connect with 43 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.560 her highest selves and embrace their spiritual purpose. She's not 44 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.479 just a spiritual guide, she's a channel for the Greek 45 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.159 Council of Light and a lot more in these days, 46 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.719 but we'll talk about that. She is the founder of 47 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.000 the Spirit Calling Community and the host of the wildly 48 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.080 inspiring Live the Call podcast. 49 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:29.639 Now. 50 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:34.560 Through her transformational work, she's empowered countless individuals awakened to 51 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.280 their inner wisdom, align with their true path, and live 52 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.120 life of divine clarity and purpose. Please help us welcome 53 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.240 the One, the only, Pamela Downs. Pamela. We're so thrilled 54 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.919 to have you join us today. How are you doing? 55 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:48.919 Welcome to the show. 56 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.280 What an opener, man, That was amazing. Got me so 57 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:53.560 excited about myself. 58 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:56.719 I mean, how can you not be excited about yourself, Pamela. 59 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.280 I mean, you are Pamela Downs. It's hard to have. 60 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.240 I used to perform in a David Bowie tribute band 61 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.840 and dress up in glamock costumes, you know what, thousands 62 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.120 of people, and it felt like that. I felt like 63 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.199 the moment. So I'm going to say thank you for that. 64 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.000 You had me at David Bowie sounds like. 65 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.240 So much fun. Yeah, you guys were videos. I still 66 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.840 have them. I don't know if I were the leader, 67 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:20.280 you just should on. 68 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.000 Your podcast just David Bowie out. 69 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:23.000 I should. 70 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.280 I should just do that for a surprise one episode. 71 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:26.000 That would be awesome. 72 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:27.840 That would be cool. Hey, I wonder if you could 73 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.120 channel David Bowie someday. That would be pretty cool. 74 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:31.080 Yeah, I feel like I have. 75 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.240 Actually before my channeling days, I felt an energy come in. 76 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.439 Oh good god. Yeah, we're going to talk offline because 77 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:39.680 I am a big Bowie head. 78 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.000 So I can't wait to send you my links to 79 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:44.439 my performances. 80 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:47.360 Not I can't wait to see you. Yeah. All right. So, Pamela, 81 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.159 you are an old friend of the show, so we're 82 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.120 thrilled to have you back. This is it's a homecoming, 83 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.639 it's a reunion. We're thrilled to have you. And there's 84 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.719 so many different directions that we can head in. But 85 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:02.000 I think probably for those that maybe aren't at familiar familiar, 86 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:04.960 thank you as with you as we are. I'm on 87 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.159 new medication and it's giving me the brain fog and 88 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.240 I'm forgetting the words, so please bear with me as 89 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:09.520 I go. 90 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.159 Welcome to my every day. 91 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.839 For those of the listeners and the watchers who are 92 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.279 not familiar with you, give us a low down. I 93 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.480 give you a little bit of an introduction, but you 94 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.279 do a lot more than what I just said, right, 95 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.319 So give us a thirty thousand foot view of Pamela Downs. 96 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.360 Okay, I'll try my very best. First of all, thank 97 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:32.920 you for having me back. It's awesome. 98 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:33.360 It's us. 99 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:35.560 Yeah, it's been a while. It's so great to see you, guys. 100 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.199 Let's see Pamela Down's thirty thousand foot view. I guess 101 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.680 you would say I'm a major juggling act. I'm like di, 102 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.040 I've got so many things going and juggling so many 103 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.279 different things. But I've stepped fully in the last year, 104 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:55.079 in twenty twenty four, into stepping fully into my soul's purpose, 105 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.879 going out on the grand stage and showing everyone that 106 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:00.959 I channel a great council of light and letting them 107 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:05.040 actually speak through me. And it took me. I call 108 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.279 myself like a belligerent child. Sometimes I like, no, I 109 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:08.959 don't want to do it right now. I'm not ready, 110 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.079 And you know, then spirit and universe kick me in 111 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:12.879 the boop. 112 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.439 And I really have to listen. 113 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.079 Because that's always been this path with me and this 114 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.720 work since twenty twenty it is can't turn my head 115 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.399 away from it. I have to keep moving forward with it. 116 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:29.120 And with that, everything keeps expanding, opportunities keep coming, and 117 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.920 when you're living with your soul first and your spirit 118 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.360 first and you are in alignment, that's what happens. So 119 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.439 it's really exciting. And you know, I never thought i'd 120 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.040 have a podcast. I never thought I would be out 121 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.519 on a stage, not singing David Bowie, but channeling the 122 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.720 Great Council. It wasn't something I said I wanted to 123 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.079 be when I grew up. But I'm really happy to 124 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.199 be able to do it now because I'm seeing people's 125 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.759 lives change and what is better than that. 126 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:54.480 Nothing. 127 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:56.480 Nothing, It's so incredible. 128 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.639 Yeah, it's absolutely you guys, we have a shared mission. 129 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.120 You're doing the same thing with your network and your podcasts, 130 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.879 so it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So in twenty twenty, 131 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:11.319 I was hearing things, seeing things, having visions and downloads, 132 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.439 and I heard in the middle of the night, spirit calling, 133 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.959 Spirit calling, and I got up and I wrote down 134 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.839 the name. In the morning, I bought the domain, and 135 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.480 over the course of a year, I kept hearing you 136 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:24.199 gotta build this portal. There's a portal that needs to 137 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.040 be built. There's a community that you need to create 138 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.040 for people who are starting their spiritual awakening journey. They 139 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.040 need a safe place to land, they need someone who 140 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.560 understands their journey, what they're going through. And I was like, 141 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.759 not ready yet. Like I just said, I'm not ready yet. 142 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.279 And then over the course of a year, kept hearing it, 143 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:43.079 and then I woke up in the middle of the 144 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.360 night and I saw this little icon going down onto 145 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.959 an iPhone and I saw the wings, I saw the logo, 146 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:50.959 and I put it all together on my head and 147 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.519 I knew it was time. So I built this portal 148 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.759 that I know is going to house like a millions 149 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.399 of people, and I built it with the strong foundation 150 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.000 that it will be able to do that one day, 151 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.759 and they're coming. It's like field of dreams. It's incredible. 152 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.959 It's incredible to watch. Yes, Yeah, I get goosebumps thinking 153 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:09.360 about it. 154 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:10.040 Yeah. 155 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:11.600 So what is spirit Calling? 156 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:11.759 Like? 157 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.399 Who is it for? What kind of community is it 158 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:15.680 eat It's. 159 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.560 For the scratchers, it's for the seekers. I was just 160 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.360 on a podcast recently where I really opened on my 161 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.519 heart and shared my whole journey, which involved, you know, 162 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:31.240 the recession, and being an EmPATH and energy and like 163 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.839 all kinds of stuff, and people kept sending me messages, 164 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.399 direct messages, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, info at, and like, I 165 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:40.360 understand your story. 166 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:41.480 It sounds like my story. 167 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.120 I found Abraham Hicks, I lost everything in the recession, 168 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.600 I lost my marriage. I started seeing things in the 169 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.279 night eye. And it was like this full circle moment 170 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.079 for me because it was the realization of what I heard. 171 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.920 They will see you in your story, and they're starting 172 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:03.040 to the reality that our world was built in is existing, 173 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.759 is starting to break down. There's cracks, and people start 174 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.680 looking through the crack seeing something greater with new eyes, 175 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.240 new perspective, and they're having questions and they're trying to 176 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.560 find the answers to them, and that involves, you know, 177 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.120 basically just getting information. But then you're starting your spiritual 178 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.879 awakening journey and you don't know you're doing that. So 179 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.360 it's for those people, it's for the people that are 180 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.160 starting to We had a Conscious Community Connection circle call 181 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.279 last night. Once a month we share messages from the 182 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.840 Great Council of Light, and then people just start opening 183 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.919 their hearts and saying, I'm having this experience, this is 184 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.480 happening to me, and everyone can talk and compare notes 185 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:42.679 and support each other and kind of understand where each 186 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.480 other's at, and then we're able to offer guidance and 187 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.840 support and love. It's amazing. Yeah, without judgment, without judgment 188 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:49.600 in the safe space. 189 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:50.919 That sounds amazing. 190 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:51.720 It really does. 191 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.080 And you are being so modest because the little podcast 192 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.360 you went on appens to be Alex Ferraro is right, 193 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.120 little next level soul. So this is not something huge accomplishment, right, 194 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:02.759 this is a big show that you were on. So 195 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.639 first of all, congratulations for going show. It's a big thing. 196 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:10.759 I had nothing to do with it, yes, yes, but but. 197 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:12.799 You're doing something right. To your point, If you are 198 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.960 your intentions are in the right place, and your energies 199 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.840 are in the right going in the right direction, those 200 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.759 things fall into place, and you're obviously doing something right 201 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.679 because now you were able to get onto a vehicle 202 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.759 that gave you access to so many different people that 203 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.279 you were able to hear your voice and your message, 204 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.039 and that's a wonderful thing. So congratulations, that's. 205 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.720 Really yeah, thank you, And you're right, it is a 206 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:43.360 living example of listening, pushing through fear towards love towards opportunity, 207 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.200 towards all the things that are on the other side 208 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.360 of it. And that's what you start to do. You 209 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:50.120 start to listen, you start to hot, you start to 210 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.840 push through. Only by experience can you see the evidence 211 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.240 of it on the other side, Only by experience, and 212 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.159 you have to exercise that muscle over and over and 213 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.960 over again. Then you're like, okay, yes, I understand now, 214 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.080 and then you have to say yes though on the 215 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.639 other side of an opportunity comes to you that you 216 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.399 ask for, you got to push through the fear and 217 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.519 you got to find your way to grasp it and 218 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.799 to move forward. And that was me, I mean, we're 219 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.000 all doing it until the day that we leave this planet. 220 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.240 That was me going on next level soul. It was 221 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.360 I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. 222 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:21.720 I am going to do this. 223 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.559 That's awesome. Well, if you're listening, hey, mabe, we're right, 224 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:32.440 we're here. We can talk, ready, boy, can we talk? Yeah? 225 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:34.679 We have things, we have things to say. 226 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:42.200 It's not at all spiritual but exciting. No, that's amazing. 227 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:47.240 I don't want to the conversation and you have. 228 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.480 Well no, I just wanted to ask so you said 229 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.759 that you started getting these downloads and these visions and 230 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:55.279 all this stuff. Did something happen that just sparked that, 231 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.679 Like we've spoken to people who have been in a 232 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.200 bicycle accident or they just remember dating really hard. How 233 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:01.960 did that happen? 234 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:07.519 Yeah, it happened through a series of experiences. One of 235 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.720 the first things that happen was I got invited to 236 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.440 this reiki share group. Did I tell you guys this? 237 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.360 This was so funny, Like I wouldn't ever tell anyone 238 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.600 to do this again. There were like six or seven 239 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.639 practitioners and it was at a yoga studio and you 240 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.679 had to wait. You paid for like a thirty minute session. 241 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.200 So I was the last one, thank god, or else 242 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.039 I would have scared everybody out of that room. No 243 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.840 one would have done it. And I got up on 244 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.799 the table and my girlfriend was waiting outside, and all 245 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:36.000 of these reiki practitioners started working on me at the 246 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.080 same time. Now I started having this swelling happening in 247 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:44.320 my chest whoo whoo, and my heart chakra just broke 248 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.679 open and I started howling and crying. I mean I 249 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:51.279 was howling. I had trapped emotion and energy in my 250 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:58.559 heart Chakra that got released and it just came all out, release, release, release. 251 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.879 I lost my breath, like it was incredible. And when 252 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.679 it was done, this one woman then came rushing over 253 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.159 to me and said, you're an mpath. You're an mpath 254 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:07.559 And I was like, I don't even I didn't know 255 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.840 what that was, you know, being an artist and musician 256 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.360 my whole life, I didn't know what that was. And 257 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.279 that was the beginning. Like when you have these experiences 258 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:17.960 that you can't deny there was something that you never 259 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.559 experienced before, you want to know more and you want 260 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.720 to know more. So I started with yoga. A lot 261 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.320 of people start with yoga. There you feel like it's 262 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.559 a spiritual practice. You're moving your body and there is 263 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.080 that spiritual aspect to it. And then I moved into 264 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.360 yoga nidra, which is a meditation, and I started seeing 265 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.360 these colors on the sides of my eyes. So it's 266 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.919 one thing after the next, but you're doing the next thing. 267 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.799 You're like seeking, You're wanting more. You're going to the 268 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.879 library or you know, Google, and you're looking up what 269 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:49.960 is the colors that I'm seeing or what is this 270 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:51.360 or what is that? And then you're just doing a 271 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:56.399 deep dive and trying and trying and trying. I started. 272 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.240 I found Abraham Hicks. Do you guys, I'm sure you know, yeah, 273 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.399 that was that was one of the first things. I 274 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.480 found Abraham. And I was going through a recession. I 275 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:10.080 lost everything, my husband lost this job, I was having 276 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:11.919 my own business in marketing. Was the first thing that 277 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.679 got cut. And we really had what I call my knockdown, 278 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.480 which was you need to experience something to shift everything 279 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.360 in your perspective and your reality. And that's what happened. 280 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:28.200 And I saw Abraham, and I was so captivated by 281 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.080 esther because you know, you don't know what you're looking at, 282 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.320 because she's she's walking around just like we are right now. 283 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.159 She's speaking, her eyes are open, she's animated. But she 284 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.360 is a channeler, and channels is energy of this divine, collective, 285 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.120 infinite group of beings called Abraham. And she talks about 286 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.159 the law of attraction and manifestation, and I was hooked 287 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.679 on that immediately. I didn't understand that my talk tracks, 288 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.799 my words were beating the drum of lack, and I 289 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.559 was creating more and more and more and more and 290 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.679 more of that. So I started changing my talk tracks, 291 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:04.919 I started changing my perspective. I started saying, oh, yeah, 292 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:06.879 we lost our big house, but we found this little 293 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.759 tiny house and we're all together walking my kids to 294 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.879 school every day. I get to spend time with them. 295 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.840 Oh you know, I have been able to carry my 296 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.320 business through a recession, like finding the golden nuggets, rather 297 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.600 than just beating that drum over and over again. And 298 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:25.159 things started to change, and people started coming into my life, 299 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.639 and other people started leaving my life, and I started 300 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:34.240 seeing more opportunities. And this woman who was she was 301 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.519 Forbes thirty under thirty, a sustainability expert in New York City. 302 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.080 This woman, Kelly, she was feeling called to be a 303 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.519 Reichy practitioner. She wanted to go to the mountains and 304 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.320 do ayahuasca with the indigenous people, and she wanted to 305 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.799 snort the business. And she said to me, I want 306 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:53.720 to do this business. Can you do the branding and 307 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:55.840 marketing for it? And I said, yeah, let's you know, 308 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.679 let's do trade. I know you're just starting out. And 309 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.720 I wound up going on this retreat that she created 310 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.480 on the top of this crystal quartz mountain in Costa Rica, 311 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.759 and I didn't really want to be a Reichy practitioner, 312 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:10.320 but I was being called. I don't know how to 313 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.159 explain it other than I was being called. I knew 314 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.600 I was supposed to go, and I didn't have the knowings. 315 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.720 I wasn't having the visions yet. I was just I mean, 316 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.080 the visions and stuff. But I was just being pulled. 317 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.639 The same thing that happened with the heart chakra happened 318 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.240 down in Costa Rica. I learned all about chakras, I 319 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.879 learned all about me, the mpath and my energy. I 320 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.480 suddenly had this realization about myself that I never understood before. 321 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.080 And at the end of that week, I was attuned 322 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.720 and Kelly was working on me and doing the attunement, 323 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.639 and I had a past life come through my throat 324 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:49.360 chakra and I actually experienced a hanging and I was 325 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.639 foaming at the mouth and it was incredibly scary. So 326 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.360 this is not but everyone, but it was also one 327 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.159 of those that was crazy. There's thing more like, you know, 328 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.720 I needed to keep moving forward, and so I think, 329 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:06.639 you know, ultimately now I can look back on all 330 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.519 these things like the ayahuasca, and I was on the 331 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:10.840 fast track to getting to the point where I could 332 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.840 channel because the world is shifting and my work is 333 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.519 needed again. And like you know, if you look at it, it 334 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.759 really happened over the course of I don't know, not 335 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:23.440 even ten years, you know, five, five, six years, And 336 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.600 through that I started knowing I was supposed to do ayahuasca, 337 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.919 and I started meditating and hearing my father talk to 338 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.879 me at night, and I would have I would go 339 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.559 on a walk and hear turn down the street and 340 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.120 I would run into, you know, someone who was in need. 341 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.720 I kept having the same experiences, and when I went 342 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:47.679 to Costa Rica, I mean yeah, I went to Costa 343 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.440 Rica again to do ayahuasca arrhythmia. When I saw I 344 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.960 went to rhythmia. When I was on my deep dive 345 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.440 of where did Jesus go all those years, and like 346 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.840 you know, all the things. I saw a video Gerald Powell, 347 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:05.359 He's the founder of rhythmia. I saw his story. He 348 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:10.240 was addicted to sex and gambling and alcohol and drugs 349 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:15.119 and everything, and his friend challenged him to do a 350 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.319 plant medicine. It wasn't ayahuasca was something else, and he 351 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.039 went to the jungle and he did it, and he 352 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:25.359 cured his addictions. He was revealed this experience that happened 353 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.720 when he was a little boy of being abused, and 354 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.319 all of his addictions were cured. And he was a hotelier. 355 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.480 He had big like you know, hotels and stuff that 356 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:40.000 he had launched. He took his skills. He created Rhythm, 357 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.039 a life advancement center. The moment I saw it, I 358 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.640 knew I was going there. I didn't know how, I 359 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.160 didn't know when, but I knew that I was going there. 360 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.079 And you know those people that come into your life, 361 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.119 this man came into my life. I was doing trade 362 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.079 with this business coach and she said, will you work 363 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.759 with my company? And I said sure, and I work 364 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:01.559 with the company. And she said, will you go in 365 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.279 this symposium it's down in Florida, And I said sure, 366 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.319 And I went down to the symposium and I walked 367 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.599 in and I walked up to the owner of the 368 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:11.960 company and I said, Steve, it's Pamela High. It's so 369 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:13.480 nice to meet you. And he looked at me. I 370 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.079 looked at him. We shook hands, and this energy came 371 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.279 through both of our heads, out our hearts. 372 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:19.359 And went whoooo. 373 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.200 And he looked at me and he said, do you 374 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.359 feel that? And I said, I do, and I mean 375 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.720 I didn't. I couldn't look at him like I've never. 376 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.319 Experienced anything like that either. 377 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:32.799 I sound like a crazy person, but this this is 378 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.119 my reality. And I went to the symposium and I 379 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.359 learned and it was fun and I met people. And 380 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:42.559 when I came home, I was sitting working. I was 381 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.400 on a zoom call. My phone rings. I see this 382 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.960 odd number and I look at it. I hear Steve 383 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.400 and I went back on my call. When it was done, 384 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.359 I listened to the message and he was like, Pamela, 385 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.960 this is Steve. I want to talk about what that 386 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.279 experience was. Give me a callbacks. I called him back 387 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.720 later and he said, you know, we talked about that 388 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.720 and he said, well, you know, I'm on my way. 389 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.079 I'm going on a trip. I'm going to do ayahuasca. 390 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.200 But I never I don't really ever share this with 391 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.480 people in business. It's not something I would ever say. 392 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.000 And I was like ayahuasca. I was like, I was like, 393 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.880 I'm going to do ayahuasca. I'm going to go to Rhythm, 394 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.839 a life advancement center. I'm not sure when I don't 395 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.319 know how, and he goes, Pamela, I'm going to rid 396 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:25.039 me in November. 397 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:25.759 I'm like, no, you're not. 398 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.039 Like, nobody talks about this, like nine to five business stuff. 399 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:30.119 Nobody's talking about it. 400 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.160 And we wound up becoming friends, very good friends. And 401 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.720