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Forward 12 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.240 slash the Big for Society and now let's get on 13 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.640 with the show. All right, Big for Society. I've got 14 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.679 the privilege talking to Lance today. This is going to 15 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.600 be a very unique interview that I've been looking forward 16 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.600 to for quite a while. Eric from the Willow Creek, 17 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.880 China Flat Museum and Bigfoot Collection reached out to me 18 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:57.479 and said, Hey, I have this individual I just talked 19 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:01.320 to and I would love to try to make a 20 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:06.439 connection with yourself at Bigfoot Society because if you can 21 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.280 talk to this guy, it would be incredible. And now 22 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.359 I was like, I'm immediately interested because I've heard of 23 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:16.239 Eric from Cliff Berrickman's podcast and he sounds like he 24 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.760 really knows his stuff. So thank you to Eric for 25 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.159 help setting up this interview. And also make sure, guys 26 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.640 that if you're in the Willow Creek area, check out 27 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.239 the China Flat Museum. There's a lot of great Bigfoot 28 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.120 artifacts over there. You will not want to miss it. 29 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:37.079 But Lance, welcome to the show. I'm excited to have 30 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.239 you on here, as as I had said, but you know, 31 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.040 I'm going to go ahead and hand things right over 32 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.640 to you, sir. It take us back back to nineteen 33 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:51.400 sixty seven, to what you experienced back then, and we'll 34 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:52.000 take you from there. 35 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:59.040 You know, she'll get goosebumps the story. It was like 36 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:00.959 he took your show when I was about nine and 37 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.879 a half years old and my family, on my father's side, 38 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.400 a one hundred and so years ago, I had established 39 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:16.199 a mining claim up on the north fork of the 40 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:21.120 Trinity River there in northern California, and all his lovely 41 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.960 property big ponderas of pines and Douglas furs I guess 42 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:31.240 for Douglas and the river great for fishing and swimming. 43 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:32.120 Have you. 44 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:38.159 And you know, I've never seen any bears up close 45 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.120 up there, but I know there was plenty. 46 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:43.680 But this comes into this story. 47 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.960 My dad was going up to the property to do 48 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.759 the assayer work on the property and everything else, and 49 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.319 I got to go up with him. My mom and 50 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.680 dad had been divorced for several years, and so seeing 51 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.560 my dad and hanging out with it was a big deal. 52 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:02.080 I was excited. 53 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.000 So we went up there from southern California where we lived, 54 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:11.080 and long drives, but yeah, we got up there late 55 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.520 at night and spent the night. The next morning, this 56 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.039 mid morning or show, a couple of dogs came wandering 57 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.280 up to the cabins, highly unusual, and they were bear dogs, 58 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.919 bear hunting dogs, and the antennas on. 59 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:27.680 The call her. 60 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.879 Named an address phone number, and we called the guy 61 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.039 owned the dogs, and he said, oh, come down that 62 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.639 evening and get them cool. I'm just doing the little 63 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.759 nine and a half year old stuff, you know, walking 64 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.080 around with us stick and hitting stuff and digging bugs 65 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.159 and catching the garter shakes by the river. And I 66 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.080 was in front of the cabin hanging out and I 67 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:59.400 dogs started barking this crazy barket and they're looking west. 68 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.560 The cabin kind of sits off the east side of 69 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.080 the road between the river and the road, and I 70 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.520 can see this the dog sparking in that direction. I 71 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:13.639 look over and I can see a big, dark black 72 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.480 things coming down the cutaway. 73 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.079 On the other side of the road. 74 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.639 And crossing the road. By the time he hit the road, 75 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:28.319 I call out, Dad, what is that? He looks at 76 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:33.480 it and said, get in the house right now, getting 77 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:33.800 a cab. 78 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.680 So I get got into. 79 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.199 The porch is covered by screen and one by the protection, 80 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:43.439 and he grabbed his deer rifle and shoot out front. 81 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:47.879 This thing came closer closer the roads, about one hundred 82 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.759 and fifty feet away. And this thing came, oh, I 83 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.439 don't know, came right towards us. And then I noticed 84 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:57.800 the sunshine and on it was kind of a little 85 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.720 reddish in there in that coloring, and I was just 86 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:07.560 an a mouth open, what is that? And it came 87 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:12.399 closer and closer and didn't really pay any attention to us. 88 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.079 It seemed like the contention was over towards the left. 89 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.759 And there's been a dredger down there dredging for gold 90 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:25.399 all morning, wow wow, and sucking the gold off the 91 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:29.199 bottom big gas cartage. It was going on all morning 92 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.399 since just fact the first light, and it was very bothershing. 93 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:34.800 We could probably hear this thing for a mile the more, 94 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:37.040 and it came towards us. 95 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:37.839 Got with him. 96 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.759 Oh, I don't know, thirty forty feet of my dad 97 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:47.600 with that rifle point matter, and just he turned left 98 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:52.439 and he's making me sounds, just growling and drunting, and 99 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.000 I couldn't make him mouth because it's been too long. 100 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:02.399 For fifty three years this happened, and I started heading 101 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:04.480 over towards the dread well. 102 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.480 Down up the river where this road kind of turns. 103 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.199 It's kind of a trail deep road across the river 104 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:16.519 and goes on up above the cabin to the actual 105 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.079 mine site on the side of the mountain. We call 106 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.120 it Montgomery Road. Montgomery's lived down the road just a 107 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:27.160 mile and they they had the last remaining water cannon 108 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:31.360 sluice box gold Vine operating in the United States and 109 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:37.639 west of the Missouri at that time. Anyway, this thing 110 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:42.439 disappears into the willows right along the creek bed. Suddenly 111 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.800 we hear this tractor, his tractor start out and take 112 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.560 off up that road as fast as that old tractor 113 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.480 can go. It just it just went. And I never 114 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.480 saw the creature again. I never met the old man 115 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.519 on the tractor. But my dad comes back in the 116 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.079 cabin and I get, what was that? Oh, that was 117 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.519 a bear. It was just a bear. 118 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.319 Land Well, I was. 119 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.600 A young nine and a half naive, and I'm very 120 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:16.279 confused now because this bear walks on four leg. This 121 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.120 thing was on two. I'd never got a good look 122 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:22.079 at his face, but I'm pretty sure it was mostly 123 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:27.720 fur covered, probably six and a half seven foot Maybe. 124 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:29.519 It took long. 125 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:34.160 It covered the two hundred feet from the other side 126 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:38.040 of the road to the cabin so fast. It probably 127 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.680 walked as fast as I could crop row fast. 128 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.399 You know, it's crazy. Just it didn't even look at us. 129 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.120 Had two dogs, a rifle, and some man standing out 130 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.319 in front of it, and just it was out in 131 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.160 the open and the broad sunlight. 132 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.959 I thought it was hot day year. It was one 133 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.800 hundred degrees and there's no trees in the way. 134 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.920 Right, So my up and me open fifty feet on 135 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:08.240 each side, and I saw this thing up close and personal, 136 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.600 and you know, pubb it be for many years? 137 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:12.399 What is anyway? 138 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.399 It was until I heard the turn bigfoot, and I 139 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:23.120 saw the video of one taking up fluff greet and 140 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:28.399 that's it. That's what I saw and didn't day. Like 141 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:35.919 I said, I still get goose bumps telling his story. Yeah, 142 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.200 the dogs wanted a piece of it really bad. 143 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:39.639 I wanted to know what. 144 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.120 The heck it was. But the funny thing is that 145 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.039 it was a bear. My dad would have shot it 146 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.960 as it was coming towards us. He shot one before 147 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:54.159 when he was younger. He was the forest ranger all 148 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.720 over northern California in Washington and he had one come 149 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.440 up and when I attacked him, he ended up shooting 150 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.399 it with a thirty forty Craig right gone barrel. 151 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.759 This is a It was a thirty calipery lance. 152 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.879 Sorry, a bear? Sorry, did you say the park ranger 153 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.000 shot a bear or a bigfoot? 154 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.039 No? A bear? He was young, Yeah, he was young. 155 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:20.799 He had a job. 156 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:25.639 And I'm sorry, I get going too fast, you're taking 157 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:26.960 out hey. 158 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.279 But that was the experience. 159 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:37.080 It was about oh fifteen seconds of pure wonder and 160 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:43.320 its lasted me fifty three years. And I'm getting older 161 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.200 and my health isn't good anymore, and I wanted to 162 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.960 get this story out to somebody who may not or 163 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:51.559 may believe. 164 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:52.720 I'm glad you did. 165 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.399 I saw. Yeah. Good. 166 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.080 I have definitely a few questions for you. It's know, 167 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.440 this area that you were in, how close to Willow 168 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:06.600 Creek would you say you were? 169 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:14.080 Probably as a crow flies, probably fifteen miles maybe fifteen 170 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:15.240 miles okay? 171 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.639 And is that north or it would have. 172 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:23.120 Been fifteen miles east? Yeah, east, a little bit to north. 173 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:24.080 Gotcha? 174 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.320 When you were watching it walk across, did it turn 175 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.080 its head at all? 176 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:31.840 Gouh. 177 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.440 You know, it's hard to remember that long ago, but 178 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:39.320 sure not much because I really don't remember too much 179 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.480 of the face. Remember if I did see fingers and 180 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:52.639 the skin was kind of cam very dark cam tanned feet, 181 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.519 I couldn't see much black hair brown and dark dark 182 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:57.799 black brown hair. 183 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:59.240 Do you remember anything? 184 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.799 Yeah? Go ahead, Oh no, no, go ahead. 185 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.200 Do you remember anything out of the ordinary about the 186 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.639 fingers on the hand, they. 187 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:13.519 Were long and thick, and fingernails like people. I saw 188 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.120 the fingernails. That's that's stuck with me. 189 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:17.600 Claw. 190 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.080 That's really interesting. So you're saying it looked like the 191 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.440 fingernails of that a human would. 192 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:28.960 Have exactly fit longer consult if you're regularly right. 193 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.080 And I don't know whether it was a male or female. 194 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:31.600 I don't know. 195 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.960 You know, you mentioned that you had seen that video 196 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:40.720 Patterson Gimmlin film. Thinking back to that video and what 197 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.000 you saw that day as well, were there any things 198 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.759 you noticed that were similar or different or anything like that? 199 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.240 Just uh, the way it walked. 200 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.480 This hair seemed a little bit longer, but I really yeah, 201 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.759 it was pretty shaggy. 202 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:05.679 The differences, no similarities. Yeah, the walk. 203 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.440 So long strides? How how long would you estimate that 204 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:12.480 its stride was? 205 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.600 That would be hard to say. I grew up to 206 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:21.519 about six foot two, and if I took a leap 207 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.919 probably I could probably go five feet if I tried 208 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.200 real hard. But yeah, this is taking big strides fourty five. 209 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.679 Sure. Did you do you remember any details about how 210 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.639 long its arms were or its arms in general? 211 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:42.639 Well that's what led these look at the fingers because 212 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:48.240 they were slinging. The hands were slinging pretty good, and yeah, 213 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.279 I guess arms are long. I didn't notice at the 214 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.840 time that I guess, yeah. And it was kind of 215 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.879 slumped over, so the hands were down pretty low. 216 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.399 Did it seem to have a neck all nor were 217 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.919 you able to see any muscles underneath the hair as 218 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:08.440 it walked. 219 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.919 It seemed like up around as I pictured in my mind. 220 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.600 It's not as rigid as it used to be as 221 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:20.080 long time ago. But uh, trice, that area and the 222 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.000 calves I noticed pretty muscular. 223 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:25.559 I noticed that because. 224 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.000 I just comparing it to the size of my dad 225 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.440 and seeing this in the same site picture. It was 226 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.600 much bulk here and my dad. My dad was six 227 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.240 feet and slim. This thing was massively across the shoulders. 228 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:44.720 How how wide across those show shoulders would you estimate? 229 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.960 Oh? I couldn't say. I really couldn't say. It's been 230 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:48.440 too long. 231 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.320 Yeah, oh gotcha, definitely. 232 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.360 Well, dad was average average width, so it was much 233 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:56.840 wider than my dad. 234 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:58.679 So that's all I could not say. 235 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:04.159 Okay, so you've already mentioned the details about the fingernails 236 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:09.840 on the hands, which is a very unique detail. Were 237 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:14.039 there any other details you remember seeing that. Maybe when 238 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.879 you realize that, you're like, wow, that is really it 239 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.120 doesn't really make sense. It's kind of a little unique 240 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.320 and it's just kind of weird. 241 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.320 Yeah, it's awesome. Like I said, I wasn't I wasn't 242 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.639 all that frightened because I was so intrigued by what 243 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.240 the heck that well, as a as a very inquisitive boy, 244 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.399 I was always digging up things and looking up things 245 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.000 in books about nature and so forth. 246 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.360 Yeah, so I was just enthralled by this thing. 247 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.600 Did you have any neighbors around that cabin area at all? 248 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.759 No, The narrow Snogger was who I mentioned before. It 249 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.720 was from Montgomery, three quarters of a mile or so 250 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.679 down the road, and they stayed up there in the 251 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.919 summers during their minding. 252 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.000 That's about the only ones up there in that area. Gotcha. 253 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.279 Did you ever hear of any other encounters or sightings 254 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:14.799 in that general area where you. 255 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.559 Were at No, I was I was only nine and 256 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:18.039 a half. 257 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.320 True, Yeah, that's true. 258 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.919 Yeah, yeah, I was just a little kid. 259 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.960 Yeah I could when you grew up. Did you have 260 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.960 any discussions with your father about what happened that day? 261 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.279 No, No, we never talked about it. I got it 262 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:41.120 up once to his sister, my aunt and their two kids. 263 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.360 It's all else. That was just a bear. Your dad 264 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:47.720 told us all about it. 265 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.799 I said, well, you weren't there, and I got into 266 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:53.240 a little bit of a discussion. 267 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.759 Not much. Yeah, he never mentioned it. He never talked 268 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:57.240 about it. 269 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.879 Dad was hardly ever, and so I didn't get to 270 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.360 talk to him all that my team, so I was 271 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.120 kind of stuck inside. 272 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.000 Growing up. I had shared the story a few. 273 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:15.840 Times, and I've never got good reactions. 274 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.399 I didn't. You know, no one believers. They didn't believe, 275 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.320 you know, or they it'd be hard. 276 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.559 To believe if you've never been Say, if you're not 277 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:30.519 a woodsy person and you've never been out there in 278 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.639 the woods in a wild see the creatures and. 279 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.080 How they act. And now listen, if you. 280 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.759 Couldn't believe it, as you mentioned that, you heard it 281 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:45.200 make growling and grunting sounds. Have you heard any sounds 282 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.840 since then that come close to what you heard that day? 283 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.519 Certainly not a bear. 284 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.840 It growled and grumbled as if it had sometimes almost 285 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.120 as if I was talking like a darned some of 286 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.519 the good loud thing. I gotta shut that loud thing down, 287 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.839 you know, like the tensor for uh dragon m and 288 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:15.640 nothing else except for maybe a girl is about as 289 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.759 close as I could get sure. 290 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.200 So it kind of sounds like, and this is just 291 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:28.000 my interpretation, it almost was trying to say something, But 292 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.680 you really couldn't make out maybe what it was saying. 293 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:37.000 Yeah, kind of like luck I raw or like it 294 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:38.799 was almost talking that. 295 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.960 Right, he's so mad at that noise, no whistles really, 296 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.279 but yeah, it's mad. 297 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:54.599 That's very interesting. It's it's a it's something that comes 298 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:58.400 has come out in other encounters to where you'll find 299 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.359 that these you know, these big foot will will get 300 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:10.400 kind of really mad at very loud machinery or generators, 301 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.519 and we'll just go over and try to take him out. 302 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:15.960 Sometimes they will take him out, you know, and just 303 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.640 get it quiet again, which I don't blame him really. 304 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:25.200 But now when you heard them making that those weird 305 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:31.359 sounds where it maybe kind of saying something but not really, 306 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:38.200 did that remind you of any other maybe language or 307 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.279 way of talking you've heard over the years. 308 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:46.880 Oh this is different. Yeah, okay, I gotta. 309 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:52.960 Say that that Dredge Graham and Ram until the gas 310 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.880 an out, that guy was never not coming back down 311 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:56.880 out there, I'm sure. 312 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.000 Oh he just was like I'm out of here. 313 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.920 Yeah, wow, yeah, I'm out here. He didn't come back 314 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.000 then to shut that thing off. It just ran and around, 315 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.519 ran out of gas. My dad said, oh, we can't 316 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.119 stay the weekend. We have to go now, I said, Oh, 317 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.039 we've got I got business in town. 318 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.079 We gotta go. And so we left that day. We're 319 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.920 going to stay two or three days. 320 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.920 Speaking of weird Speaking of weird sounds, would you ever 321 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:30.759 hear anything in the woods that was just hard to explain? 322 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:31.599 Uh? 323 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:35.960 Maybe things like whoops or something knocking on a tree, 324 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:41.359 or maybe even like weird metallic noises. Is that anything 325 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:42.599 you ever remember hearing? 326 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:48.720 Yeah, I've heard a whoop once, and I think I 327 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.440 was in the Sierra Nevadas. 328 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:52.880 Way up. 329 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:58.240 We hiked up ten miles up King's Canyon state overnight 330 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:02.400 and I I was trying to picture what kind of 331 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.720 animal whoop in the woods? 332 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.519 You know. I never came up with it, and they 333 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.519 couldn't figure it out. Wow? 334 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:12.000 Is that also? 335 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:12.759 Well? 336 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:14.759 There? I want to make sure I get this question. 337 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:20.039 And about the cabin area, do you remember going out 338 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.319 maybe in the days afterwards, and looking around where it 339 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.200 had walked? Did you remember seeing any tracks or anything 340 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:26.640 like that? 341 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.920 You know, I didn't go out and look for track Okay, Yeah, 342 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.039 we had to just get busy and get. 343 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:35.599 Ready to go. 344 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:36.799 That's true. 345 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:38.359 Yeah, you're you're getting. 346 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.200 I wanted to stay and see it again, and I've 347 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.720 been intrigued ever since. Just everything bigfoot. 348 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:47.200 Well, that's that's really. 349 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:48.559 Some of the videos. 350 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.640 It makes you a little easier to pick out the 351 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.279 fakes on videos. 352 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:53.119 You know. 353 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.640 That's that's actually a great point. I mean, if you've 354 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.519 seen a bigfoot, you can pick out the fakes pretty good. 355 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:03.480 Is there anything a big foot? 356 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:04.519 Yeah? 357 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.640 You were right there. Is there anything you've seen over 358 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:10.960 the years that even comes close to what you saw 359 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:11.359 that day? 360 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.440 Seen personally or well. 361 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.400 You know, like there's so many videos out there and 362 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:22.119 different things on shows and movies besides the Patterson Gimlin film. 363 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.519 Is there anything else out there you've seen that is 364 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:27.599 supposed to be a bigfoot that you're like, Okay, that's 365 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:28.759 kind of close to what I saw. 366 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.240 Yeah, So I've seen a few and it's just bos 367 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:35.680 that's the real thing. 368 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.799 That's a fake. I can pick it out pretty easy. 369 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.079 There's a few of them out there that are okay, 370 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:47.759 good good videos. I don't I can't remember exactly which ones. 371 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:54.359 No, that's no problem. So you mentioned that seeing this 372 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:58.039 as a nine and a half year old really affected you, 373 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:03.720 and in what way did you become interested in Bigfoot 374 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:08.400 as you grew up into an adult after this, I think. 375 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.799 It shades Bigfoot. It just opened my mind up to 376 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:19.559 what is really possible, and I've kind of follow all 377 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.640 my life. Hey, it's bigfoots around anything that's possible, and 378 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:25.599 that's been my. 379 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.359 Belief for a long time. 380 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.559 It really did open my mind up to what people say, 381 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:35.960 it's impossible, you know, and I could argue the point 382 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.599 it is possible, it's not. 383 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.519 So. Yeah. It really did affect my life as a 384 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:43.960 whole through. 385 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.240 This day was going to the China Flat Museum. The 386 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.599 first time then that you had gone to a place 387 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.079 that would have had, you know, Bigfoot type artifacts or 388 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:56.880 tracks in it to look at them. 389 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.039 It would have been if I went there but a 390 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:00.640 little bit there. 391 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.240 Oh yeah, I got a whole lot of the museum 392 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:06.160 on the phone. 393 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:11.640 Oh I'm I am so sorry. I totally missed that 394 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.039 part of the correspondence. Okay, well that's even more interesting. 395 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.279 Do you ever have any desire to go to a 396 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.519 place that might have Bigfoot tracks to look at like 397 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.559 that museum or there's actually a few others around the 398 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:25.839 Pacific Northwest as well. 399 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:27.440 Exceedingly interested? 400 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:34.200 Yeah, I would really recommend. There's there's so Eric's museum 401 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:37.440