WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.360 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.560 back to the Bill Gates transcript from his meeting with 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:15.279 Congress mister Bell. Good evening, mister Gates, Wesley Bell, Missouri's 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:18.440 first District. I'm going to introduce what's been labeled as 6 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.960 minority Exhibit M, which is a photo of you, mister Epstein, 7 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:28.640 Boris Nikolitch, Jess Daley, and Larry Summers. Is that correct, Gates? Yeah? Belle? 8 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:32.399 And when was this photo taken? Answer by Gates, Yeah, 9 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:34.479 I can give you the date there it is. No 10 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:37.640 you just want buy it, mister Moran. No, this is 11 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.719 a different one, Gates. This is a different one, Moran, 12 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:44.479 than the one we just than what you just gets 13 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.039 cut off by Gates. Okay, but it's on the same night. 14 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.560 I mean, there's only one night that these five people 15 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.880 are in the same location. So if you just tell 16 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:56.719 me that date question, May second, twenty eleven, Gates, this 17 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:01.880 is a dinner at Epstein's New York residence on May second, eleven. Belle, 18 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.400 I would like to go piecemeal. So this was May 19 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.840 sewid and what year Gates, twenty eleven? Bell twenty eleven, 20 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.480 And where was the photo taken? Gates? This was at 21 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:16.519 Epstein's New York residence, Belle. And this was the first gathering, 22 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.560 or a gathering of some sort, Gates. There was a 23 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.519 dinner that all five and only the five people you 24 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.040 see here had dinner together. I believe this was after 25 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:31.159 the dinner, Belle. And what was the purpose of that dinner? Gates. Yeah, 26 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.359 this is the second time that I meet Epstein, and 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.280 I'm in New York for other things, and we had dinner. 28 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.480 I would say the discussion was pretty broad ranging, with 29 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:42.760 doctor Summers talking about the economy and a variety of things, 30 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.040 jess Daley talking about a few of the economy things 31 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.959 going on. And in all of these meetings I would 32 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.400 have brought up the foundation work I was doing, Belle, Okay, 33 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:55.280 But the meeting, the dinner, the purpose of it, what 34 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.319 was the original purpose of the meeting? Gates. You know, 35 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.680 this is the same second time I meet Epstein. So 36 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.200 this idea of going after donors, that really doesn't It 37 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.080 may have been mentioned casually, but it's not until twenty 38 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.000 thirteen that there's any real engagement on that. So it 39 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:13.159 may have come up, you know, I at the time 40 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.159 thought having a chance to listen to doctor Summers and 41 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.479 mister Staley would be educational to me. And I was 42 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.120 there for other reasons and this fit into my schedule. 43 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.000 So this was the second time that I saw mister Epstein. 44 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.240 I saw one more time that year where he dropped 45 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.800 by my office, and that you know, that's the three 46 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.960 meetings in twenty eleven, and then a year goes by, 47 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.199 and in the fall of twenty thirteen there's two meetings 48 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.159 and then you have to get out into twenty thirteen 49 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:44.000 before there's any additional meetings. Bell And just to be clear, 50 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.039 other than the economy or economic discussions, what else was 51 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.879 discussed gates? You know, news of the day, where the 52 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:56.599 foundation was succeeding, what was challenging for the foundation. Doctor Summers, 53 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.680 you know, worked at the World Bank and had been 54 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.240 part of a book that was very influential to me 55 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:05.159 called the World Development a Report in ninety three which 56 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.000 went through why children under five die and it broke 57 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.960 it down and that piece of work that he was 58 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.360 the head of the project doing that had a substantial 59 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.080 impact on me. And I remember bringing it up to 60 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.080 him that he influenced my decision to devote philanthropic resources 61 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.800 to saving children's lives. Bell, So at the time, did 62 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.360 you know Jess Stay Gates? No, this is the first 63 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.800 time and the last time I ever met Jess Stay. 64 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.840 I knew of Jess as a very senior JP Morgan officer. Belle, 65 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.000 did you know Larry Summers? Gates? I know a lot 66 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.599 about Larry Summers. I'm trying to think if I had 67 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.639 met him in person before the dinner. I never had 68 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:45.719 a dinner with Larry Summers. I may have met him, 69 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.479 but this was my first extended conversation with them. Belle 70 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.159 and mister Gates. Who else was at this gathering? Mister Gates, 71 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.240 doctor Nikolic, and mister Epstein, mister Bell just the people 72 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.599 in the photo? Answer? Yeah, the dinner was with exactly 73 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.919 the five people you see in this photo. Apparently there's 74 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.639 multiple versions of the photo. Belle cuts them off. So 75 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.319 who took the photo? Gates? Good question, it's clearly not 76 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.319 a selfie, mister moron. You don't remember, Gates, I don't remember. 77 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.480 Maybe the cook, maybe an assistant, I'm not sure, Belle. 78 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:22.439 And then the last question, were there any young women 79 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:27.120 present on that occasion? Gates? None? Belle, I yield back. 80 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.480 Now it's mister submaranium. Thank you again for being here. 81 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.240 I haven't been here the whole time. Today today is 82 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.319 a busy day, so I apologize if any of the 83 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:39.279 questions I ask you have already been asked. But I'll 84 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.240 do my best. But I think earlier so you've been mentioning. 85 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.240 The purpose of knowing mister Epstein was he would introduce 86 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.759 you to folks who would contribute to the Gates Foundation. 87 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.000 And I was just wondering if you could kind of 88 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.360 rattle off some people he introduced you to. I think 89 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.240 I heard Leon Black and Josh Harris and Mord Zuckerman, 90 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.560 maybe Tom Pritzker. Is there anyone else in introduced you 91 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.560 to for the purpose of supporting the Gates Foundation? Gates, Well, 92 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.120 two things. First, the contributions of global health would not 93 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.759 have come to the Gates Foundation, Submaranium, I see Gates. 94 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.279 They would have gone to things like Global Alliance four 95 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.759 Vaccines or the Global Fund and the other endeavors to 96 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.720 help global health, but not to the Gates Foundation, Submaranium, 97 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.560 Thank you Gates. Secondly, Epstein was pretty vague about specific 98 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.279 names for a long time, and that was frustrating to me, 99 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.560 and particularly after dinner and fall of twenty thirteen, when 100 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.759 my ex wife Melinda came, she had a very negative 101 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.639 reaction to mister Epstein was saying, look, you know, either 102 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:41.879 get these donations. You know, maybe you should just cut 103 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.759 it off now showing better judgment than I showed, or 104 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.000 you know, make this concrete. And I chose to continue 105 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.759 pursuing it. But then I was very hardcore Jeffrey, Okay, 106 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.240 who are these people, Let's meet with them. And there's 107 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.240 a lot of delay, but eventually the results in September 108 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.800 twenty fourteen. Is it September twenty fourteen meeting where we're 109 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.040 finally meeting for the first time. This is Epstein showing 110 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.879 what he thinks might do this, you know, different from 111 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:12.399 this broad allusion to lots of Wall Street billionaires, lots 112 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.160 of Middle East billionaires. You know, he had me meet 113 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.319 with people who, as I said, were friendly, but didn't 114 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:22.000 fit that as they were not in any nearer term 115 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.680 going to give substantial resources to global health. Mister Summeranium, 116 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.480 I apologize. Who are these people? Gates? The people I 117 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.560 met that day were Leon Black. I don't know if 118 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.120 we were scheduled to see Josh Harris or if he 119 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.839 was just in the office there and that was impromptu, 120 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:42.040 but we saw him, Mark Zuckerberg, Tom Pritzker, and that's 121 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:46.079 all Summeranium. Did he ever bring up Les Wexner? Gates 122 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:50.759 ever bring up summaranium? Less Wexner as someone who would Gates, No, 123 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.160 that name never came up. Summeranium, Okay, And there was 124 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.000 one name one email, and I apologize I don't have 125 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.079 copies of it. I can give it to you, but 126 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.279 there's an email on September sixteenth, twenty thirteen, saying did 127 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.000 Jaye want to meet the follow up with and then 128 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.800 redacted and see if her redacted would like to come 129 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:14.120 join Jay's meeting with Brock slash Bill Gates. Gates, I 130 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.959 should take a look at that Sumerannium. Yes, I'll give 131 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.279 you a copy. Gates, I don't remember it. Submaranium. You 132 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.360 weren't on the email, I believe, But I guess I 133 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.120 want to know who Barack is because Brock seems to 134 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.639 be There are a lot of Brocks. It could be 135 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.319 Elwood Barock, it could be Barack Obama. Mister Gates, yeah, 136 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.839 I never met any Barocks in connection with Epstein. There 137 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:38.160 were no Brocks whose names were mentioned or that I 138 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.160 met with Summerannium, okay, thank you. And did he Epstein? 139 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.000 Never have you sign an NDA at any point or 140 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.279 have anyone sign an NDA? Gates? No, I never signed 141 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:52.240 anything in connection with Epstein Summaranian. And did you have 142 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.319 him sign an NDA or anyone else signed an NDA 143 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.000 at any point? Gates not, mister Epstein. I think I 144 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.720 mentioned earlier that it maybe when somebody comes into the 145 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.279 Gates Ventures employee or the foundation, they do, but I'm 146 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:10.199 not familiar with what specific practices are Submaranium. And then 147 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.279 did you do any sort of background check on him? Gates? 148 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.160 On whom Submaranium on Jeffrey Epstein? Gates, I wish I 149 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.000 had done more, but I did enough to know did 150 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:23.279 do enough to know that he had been criminally convicted 151 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.639 in two thousand and eight or two thousand and nine 152 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.920 of a sexually related offense, mister Summaranium. And since the 153 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:36.480 experience with him, do you do more thorough background checks now? Gates? Absolutely, Summeranium, Okay, 154 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:41.559 thank you, That's all I have. Mister Morphy is now 155 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.440 asking questions. Thank you, mister Gates. I'm Congressman Rajah Krishna 156 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.759 Morthy from Illinois. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever reference foreign intelligence 157 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:55.320 agencies to you? Gates? He did not question. Did you 158 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.639 ever have any evidence or see any evidence that he 159 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.080 might have been a foreign asset? Gates? I did not question, 160 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.639 did he ever make any threats to you about revealing 161 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.200 any particular piece of information about you or your family 162 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.240 or your background? Gates? Well, I viewed the attempt to 163 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.759 have me reimburse him for things he purportedly paid for 164 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:17.159 for the bridge player. I viewed that as taking a 165 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.799 step beyond the veil comments he made during doctor Nikolitch's exit. 166 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.600 You know, at that point, although it's kind of trivial, 167 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.679 some of money I thought that, you know, was moving 168 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.080 further down the line of him threatening, although you know 169 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.159 the way he phrased it, is it that this was 170 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.799 just a reimbursement for something I did, even going as 171 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.440 far as to pretend that I had somehow encouraged him 172 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.679 to do so, which is completely false, mister krishnal Morthy. 173 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.360 And how much money was that again, that he asked 174 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.919 you to pay back? Gates? I won't remember the amounts, 175 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.440 but it's you know, thousands of dollars, not tens of 176 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:55.519 thousands of dollars kryshnal Morty Okay. Besides that, did he 177 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.320 ever ask you for any other money? Gates? No, I 178 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.759 never paid him. I made it clearly he would not 179 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.159 be paid, and I never paid him. Christ No Morty Okay. 180 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.240 In your discussions with any other world leaders or any 181 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.960 other dignitaries, has anybody else referenced Jeffrey Epstein in the 182 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.200 context of him having made threats to them or comments 183 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.759 to the effect that he might be an intelligence asset? Gates. 184 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.679 No mention of Jeffrey Epstein has ever come up in 185 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.080 any discussion with the world leaders that I have met. 186 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.080 Christnal Morty Forbes, I'm sorry. Wall Street Journal reported that 187 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.360 Warren Buffett stopped giving the Gates Foundation in part because 188 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.360 of the Epstein situation, and in March of this year, 189 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.159 he told CNBC that he's going to make his decision 190 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.559 in June of this year, so this month as to 191 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.720 whether he's going to give more to the Gates Foundation, 192 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.360 based on what else he sees with the Epstein files. 193 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.679 What did he tell you gives him cause for concern 194 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:53.000 with regard to your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Gates, The 195 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.480 last time I talked to Warren directly was in January, 196 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.320 where we didn't talk about this. I think it was 197 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:00.840 prior to the release of the Epstein file. We talked 198 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.919 about my health challenges and some other things. I'm sure 199 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:05.919 you know he's looking at the press. I don't think 200 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.440 he has any knowledge other than what he's reading in 201 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:13.960 the press. Question. In an interview with Emily Kirkpatrick, your 202 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.919 wife Melinda said that when you first met Jeffrey Epstein. 203 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.759 I'm sorry, this is an interview with Gail King of 204 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.120 CBS this morning. She said, I regretted meeting Jeffrey Epstein 205 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.039 the second I walked in the door. He was abhorrent. 206 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.919 He was evil personified. What does she say to you 207 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:32.559 about the first meeting that letter to believe that he 208 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.399 was evil personified? Gates, Yeah, so I believe her only 209 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.320 meeting with Epstein was the dinner that I had described 210 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.120 that she came to, and she definitely had a very 211 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:46.440 negative impression of him. Krishna Morthy why Gates her instinct 212 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.159 about arrogant men or I'm sure what, but she certainly 213 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.279 showed better judgment than I did. Question. We have in 214 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.559 our notes that you met with Jeffrey Epstein ten times, 215 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.399 at least ten times. What's the number that you what 216 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:01.600 is the number of times that you believe that you 217 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.279 met with Jeffrey Epstein, mister Gates. You know, I think 218 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.960 it depends on whether you count skype calls or the 219 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.240 one time he dropped by my office. You know, there 220 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.000 was a dinner, a ted dinner that we both attended, 221 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.919 but I didn't talk to him. You know, I think 222 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:19.120 it's like twelve to fourteen times plus two skype calls 223 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:23.879 in total over a four year period. Mister Krishna Morty, Okay, 224 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.360 thank you very much. All right, folks, we're going to 225 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.480 wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're 226 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.799 going to pick up where we left off. All the 227 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.879 information that goes with this episode can be found in 228 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.080 the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another 229 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.720 episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going 230 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:42.759 to pick up where we left off with the Bill 231 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:47.960 Gates testimony that he gave to Congress asking the questions 232 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.799 now is miss Randall? Thank you, mister Gates. I'm Emily 233 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.360 Randall from Washington sixth I appreciate you being here and 234 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.919 answering our questions. And I want to follow up a 235 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.559 little bit on a question that ranking Member Robert Garcia 236 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.200 to begin with, about who the men were in Epstein's 237 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.440 orbit that you may have seen or engage with at 238 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.919 any of these meetings, and you said, you know that 239 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.240 you didn't see anyone engaging any illegal or I listed activities, 240 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.360 and you didn't want to cast dispersions of any of 241 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.080 these men, which I understand, but I think some of 242 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.799 what we've seen in our investigative work and in our 243 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.879 conversations and in the files is that, you know, it 244 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.240 became very easy for a lot of people to say 245 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.600 that they didn't see anything, and that's part of how 246 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.320 he continued to have such a long history of abuse. 247 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.200 And so I just want to ask you if there 248 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.360 are any other names or people that you haven't mentioned yet. 249 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.240 You mentioned doctor Nikolch, Larry Summers, Jess Daley, Leon Black, 250 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.440 Josh Harris, Mark Zuckerberg, Tom Pritzker. Were the other men 251 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.679 that were involved, maybe not necessarily men that he was 252 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.440 trying to introduce into the Global Health Network, but folks 253 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.679 in any of these meetings that we should ask follow 254 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.559 up questions on not saying that you're accusing them of 255 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.519 anything but to make sure that we're uncovering every stone 256 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.679 in this work to find transparency and justice Gates. Yeah, 257 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.039 I believe that today I mentioned the name of every 258 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.799 single individual who was in a meeting with myself and Epstein. 259 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.039 And you know, beyond that, you know, all these emails 260 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.039 released in January have other names in there. I don't 261 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.600 bring any personal knowledge to that, but you know, I'm 262 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:21.879 here to help in any way I can. I can't 263 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.600 think of anyone whose name I haven't mentioned that I 264 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.480 knew had some relationship with Epstein. Miss Randall, thank you. 265 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.960 And you know, Miss Stansbury asked about the woman young 266 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.039 women who worked for mister Epstein, and we've established that 267 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.639 some of these women who were employed by him were 268 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.039 also being trafficked and abused whether you know, though he 269 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:44.080 may not have been your knowledge at the time, I understand, 270 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.120 I do want to ask because of my conversation with 271 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.840 some survivors who were under age when they were pulled 272 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.159 into mister Epstein's world. They have relayed to us that 273 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.039 no one ever mister Epstein knew how old they were. 274 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.480 But you know, no one in the room at parties, 275 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.279 at events, at meetings ever asked how old they were. 276 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.879 They assumed they were adults because they looked like adults. 277 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.440 A seventeen year old young woman, you know, is not 278 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:11.240 always spottable as a seventeen year old young woman. Just 279 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.080 thinking about any woman who were at any of these meetings, 280 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.440 who were working at mister Epstein's home, who were engaged 281 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.879 in any coordination, can you think of, you know, any 282 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.840 young woman who we should talk to, mister Gates. No, 283 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.000 The only thing I did with Epstein that was of 284 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:30.519 casual entertainment nature was when he had David Blaine come 285 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.960 over after we had a dinner meeting. And as I've said, 286 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.360 as you've seen in the photographs, there were two of 287 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.480 the women around Epstein who were standing around during the 288 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.399 David Blaine performance. But you know, you've heard from everything 289 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.440 I know about the women around Epstein, and I'm sorry 290 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.799 to hear that some of them were victims. Randall, thank 291 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:54.240 you so much for your answers and joining us, mister Gates. 292 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.240 Next question by redacted question, mister Gates, did you ever 293 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:01.440 meet Gallaine Maxwell? Answer her? One time I was at 294 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.080 a hotel restaurant and she and Ted Waite were there, 295 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.399 and that was the one time I was introduced to her. 296 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.960 Question one was that answer? It's a good question. She 297 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.799 clearly had left time with Epstein and was with Ted Waite. 298 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.440 Ted Waite is someone I knew fairly well because he 299 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:20.000 created a company called Gateway that was in personal computer business. 300 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.279 But you know, it was just a few minutes introduction 301 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:24.840 because we happened to be in the same place. But 302 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:31.559 other than that, I never met her. Question and that 303 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.600 was simply an introduction rather than a substantative conversation. Answer, 304 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.879 not a substantative conversation. No question. And was this during 305 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:44.759 the period of your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or after? Answer? No, 306 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.639 I think it was after, but we would have to 307 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.200 dig out the date. Question. And did miss Maxwell ever 308 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:55.320 come up in conversations with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer never question? 309 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.559 Did she ever come up in conversations with Melanie Walker? 310 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:03.840 Answer never? Question? Okay, mister Gates. A few minutes ago, 311 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.400 in a response to mister Krishnil Morty's questions, you mentioned 312 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.880 there were two skype calls. Is that right? Answer to question? 313 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.039 Skype calls? Answer right question? And I think we discussed 314 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:19.599 one earlier, which occurred on February twenty seventh, twenty fourteen. 315 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:25.279 Is that right? Answer? Well, we inadvertently discussed it. Question sure, answer, 316 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.440 because there was a question about February twenty seventh, twenty 317 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:33.160 thirteen thing, and I accidentally saw February twenty seventh and said, oh, 318 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.839 that meeting was a skype call. The February twenty seventh, 319 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.359 twenty thirteen meeting is in person meeting in New York. 320 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.240 And the February twenty seventh, twenty thirteen meeting is a 321 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:50.759 skype call? Question understood? And when was the second skype call? Answer? 322 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:54.279 The second Skype call is May twenty first, twenty fourteen. 323 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.200 Question and what was the purpose of that call? Answer? 324 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.359 You know, everything in this time is focusing on who 325 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.240 are these donors? Is this going to be real? And 326 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.720 so right after the second skype call is when he 327 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.359 suggests the names of people that we would end up 328 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.240 meeting in September, which is the second to last meeting 329 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.839 I had with Epstein. Question and do you recall the 330 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.000 exact discussions of that call with mister Epstein? Answer? I 331 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.720 do not. Question was anyone else on that call? Answer? 332 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.400 Larry Cohen may have come for some part of the call. 333 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.000 They go off the record, they're back on Gates. Yeah, 334 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.440 my note chho Larry as being on the first of 335 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.759 the two Skype calls, but not on the second call. Question, 336 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:38.519 not on the second one, And I have in my notes, 337 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.119 and I could have this incorrect, but I believe you 338 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.319 testified earlier that it was the first Skype call was 339 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.400 just you and mister Epstein. That's not true. Answer. No, 340 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.079 the first Skype call Larry Cohen is part of that. 341 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:54.920 Question understood? And who was on the second Skype call? Answer? 342 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.039 It looks like just myself in Epstein question, just you 343 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:02.160 and Epstein? Okay, Why was this inducted over Skype? Answer? 344 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.519 Because we weren't in the same physical location? Question Why 345 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:09.839 the sky platform answer? Microsoft owned Skype? Question? Did you 346 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.880 suggest Skype? Answer? I mean, I'm capable of using probably Severn, 347 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.559 several different video calling platforms. I don't think there's any 348 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:20.240 unique feature of Skype that caused it to be used. 349 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.680 You know, Subsequently, I've shifted ninety percent of my use 350 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.240 to teams and perhaps ten percent to Zoom, so this 351 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.079 may have Indeed, the second meeting may have been my 352 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.079 final Skype call. Question understood, And I guess the reason 353 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.000 that I'm asking is because Jeffrey Epstein does have a 354 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:40.079 demonstrated history of using Skype, and so my question to 355 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.240 you is, did he recommend that this meeting be conducted 356 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:47.839 on Skype? Answer? I don't know. Question Okay, mister adacted, 357 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.000 we can go off record. Question, we can go back 358 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.960 on record. Mister Gates. We briefly discussed your relationship or 359 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.359 your one interaction that you recall with Glenn Maxwell during 360 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.279 the last hour. Just to be clear, that's the only 361 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.200 interaction with her that you recall. Answer, the only time 362 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.160 I ever met her. Yeah. Question, she did tell the 363 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.240 Department of Justice in an interview that she did with 364 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.559 them last summer that she met you. It sounds like 365 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.319 briefly at a TED conference. Do you have any recollection 366 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:18.960 of that? Answer? Yeah, there was a TED dinner with 367 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.799 about forty or fifty people, and she was an attendee there. 368 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:23.839 I don't know if I shook her hand, and I 369 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.559 didn't have a conversation with her. Question, but do you 370 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.880 recall that she was there? In general? Answer? I think 371 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.359 she attended a dinner around the TED conference. Yes. Question, 372 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.319 do you recall any other I'll call them interactions, but 373 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:37.400 any other times you were in the same place as 374 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.960 Glenn Maxwell, other than the meeting with Ted Waite, the 375 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:43.960 brief meeting with Ted Waite, and this very brief meeting 376 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.960 at a dinner at a Ted conference. Answer, as I 377 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.440 say on the Ted thing, I don't know that I 378 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.039 shook her hand. I'm not sure, but I didn't have 379 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.720 a conversation with her other than those two times. No, 380 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:01.119 I never met her. Mister Emer's asking questions. Now, mister Gates, 381 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.200 we're at a point in our questioning where, unfortunately I 382 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.119 do have to make you repeat yourself just to make 383 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.079 sure that the record is crystal clear. During the first hour, 384 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:11.319 I believe you had mentioned that at some point you 385 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.000 were invited to mister Epstein's island. Is that right answer? Yes, 386 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.720 several times he had issued an invitation. Question and approximately 387 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.079 when you extended those invites answer, we can dig through 388 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.559 the emails. I don't know the timing question, and he 389 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.519 himself directly invited you, Is that right answer, that's right question, 390 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:35.039 and you rejected those invites. Answer, that's correct question? Right? 391 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.240 And as far as his other properties go, you've testified 392 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:41.480 numerous times to have had dinners at his Manhattan townhouse. 393 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.079 Is that right answer? That's right question? Have you ever 394 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.480 visited his Paris apartment? Answer? Yeah, I talked about that 395 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.880 one meeting I had there. Question what about Zoro Ranch 396 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.839 in New Mexico? Answer never went there. Question how about 397 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.759 the Pombeach home? Answer never went there. Question any other 398 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:04.039 properties owned by mister Epstein? Answer no, it was, as 399 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:06.920 you said, several meetings at his New York residence and 400 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.480 the one meeting in Paris, and then the one time 401 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.519