WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:12.919 Special operations. Cobert asked me and the Team House with 2 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.559 your hosts Jack Murphy and David Park. 3 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:25.879 Hey, everyone, welcome to episode one and fifty six of 4 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.079 The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with Dave Park. 5 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.399 We got deproducing and we have a special guest tonight, 6 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.920 Drew Mullins, and I want to apologize first off, to 7 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.079 Drew for wasting some of his time last night, and 8 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:41.679 also everyone else who tuned in. We take a lot 9 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.000 of pride in doing a consistent, well produced show every 10 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:49.399 Friday eight pm. Were there, and last night we screwed up. 11 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.640 It's not Drew's fault, it's totally us. We had some 12 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.920 we moved into a new studio, we have some technical 13 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.960 issues to iron out, but I'm really glad that we did. 14 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:58.920 We did a lot of work today, got a lot. 15 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.240 Of things accomplished, and I'm just glad we're all here, 16 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.719 and I'm really glad that Drew is here with us. 17 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:08.159 Drew is a former Navy seal. He went through BUDS 18 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.680 Class one hundred and fifty six, which coincides with this episode. 19 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.760 You'd see that back there and his helmet back there 20 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.640 in his office, and Drew went on to serve in 21 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.200 a Jaysox special mission. Unit did some of the AFO 22 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.680 mission over in Iraq in two thousand and three with 23 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.959 some other previous guests of the show, so. 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.200 We're really excited to have you here today. Drew. Thank 25 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.159 you so much for taking some time out of your Saturday. 26 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.319 Hey, hey, guys, thanks, thanks for having me man. 27 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.079 I appreciate it absolutely, Man, and thank you for joining us. 28 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.560 Even after we consistently blamed you for all of our 29 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:46.120 problems last night, it turned. 30 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.599 Out to be us. I thought it was me, I did. 31 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.359 I thought, you know, what a shit show I was, 32 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:55.079 you know, representing you know, like you said repeatedly, this 33 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.920 has never happened before, so I felt good. 34 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:02.599 Thanks, thanks, Yeah, sorry, man, no it has. We've never 35 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.400 had to reschedule a show like that before. But hey, 36 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:10.199 Drew jumped through. It was so many, it was it 37 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:14.520 was it was definitely not on Drew's head. So Drew, 38 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.080 to kick off the show, I'm going to ask you 39 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.479 kick kick to you the same question we asked really 40 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.800 most of our guests, is about your origin story. If 41 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.479 you can tell us a little bit about your upbringing, 42 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.759 how you grew up, and sort of what that path 43 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.439 was that took you towards military service. 44 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.520 Okay, So, having listened to some of the other guests, 45 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.639 I won't go through the whole retirement speech version of 46 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.759 what got me here. But I grew up in California, 47 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.080 on the beach in California, and I was born and 48 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.280 raised there. My dad was in the Navy in the 49 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.639 sixties for about eight years, so I was born on 50 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.400 a on a Navy base, as were three of my 51 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.400 other brothers and sister, and I just had a kind 52 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.520 of a normal wildhood, I guess. But then my parents 53 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.319 got divorced and so there was four of us, and 54 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.919 just as you know, life would have it, we kind 55 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.919 of had to just fend for ourselfs but great, great upbringing. 56 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.879 Played A lot of sports and worked in the oil 57 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:24.159 fields for a while. And in the mid to mid eighties, 58 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.360 I was a young man and kind of drifting. I 59 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.120 was playing rugby with uh. I started playing rugby after 60 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.759 college and had had a lot of fun. I met 61 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.479 some some of the guys on our team just happened 62 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.719 to be Vietnam Era seals. So and I didn't really 63 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.199 know what a frog man was. I mean, back then, 64 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.400 you didn't know anything about it. You did tea or 65 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.439 any of that stuff unless you knew someone, and except 66 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:49.560 for that book Men with Green Faces or whatever it was. 67 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.159 And I was kind of I was had gotten into 68 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:56.919 an early marriage, I had a son, kind of out 69 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.800 of wedlock. I was feeling pretty much like a dead 70 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.319 bee dad kind of thing, and was trying to figure 71 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:05.719 out how to how to navigate the waters as a 72 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.199 as a young man. And one of the one of 73 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.360 the games we had, we were down in San Diego 74 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.919 and this my mentor, the guy who saved my life, basically, 75 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.759 Eddie Farmer, shout out to Eddie Farmer. He'd get together 76 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:21.800 when we play the other team, and there'd be other 77 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.160 guys he knew from Vietnam, and they start telling these 78 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:26.720 stories and I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? 79 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:33.519 You know, you know, like crashed helos with oga stuff 80 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.040 in it that they had to get out, and ambushes 81 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:37.639 and all those kind of things, and you know, they 82 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.399 tell all these stories and I thought, wow, tell me 83 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:41.800 more about that. Well, it was what it was, and 84 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.759 I and I thought, that's that's pretty cool. And then 85 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.759 one day Ed pulled me aside and he kind of 86 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.759 had the father talk with me because I didn't really 87 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:55.360 have a strong father figure at the time, and I 88 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.079 didn't want to repeat some of the same mistakes that 89 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.800 happened to me when my parents broke up. So I figured, 90 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.720 at least if I joined the Navy, I could take 91 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:09.000 care of my son, you know, ay a child support 92 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:10.759 and all that kind of stuff. So I went to 93 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.480 the recruiter and I was a little bit older. It 94 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.360 was twenty four, I think, and he starts, you know, 95 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.160 going down the list. Hey, so tell me about you know, 96 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.439 what education you have, what do you do, what kind 97 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.519 of jobs you have, And he gets to the part 98 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.120 where it's it's like, did you ever do any drugs? 99 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:34.279 I'm like, I looked at him, like pretty serious and 100 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:36.040 and and he said, yeah, I mean, you know, did 101 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:39.720 you just I had to choose a rate at the time, 102 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.439 you know, it wasn't the pipeline is now. So before 103 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.560 that I'd asked him, well, what do the Seals need, 104 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.079 and he said they need corman really bad, and they 105 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.600 need radio right now. So I said, oh, I'll be 106 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.040 a Corman. I get hurt. I can take care of myself. 107 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:56.720 But then when he got to the drug screening parties, 108 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.680 He's like, he asked me that question, and I said, uh, 109 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.360 And then he said, wait, wait, wait, stop before you 110 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:10.120 answer that, if you've experimented with anything more than five times, 111 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:15.879 you might not be eligible for the program. Ah okay, thanks, Yeah, 112 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.800 I experimented with pot five times whatever and anything else. 113 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.600 I'm like, come on, dude, really he's And I said, okay, no, anyway, 114 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.720 I joined I made it through that, but I was, 115 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.399 let me just say that, you know, it was the 116 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.519 eighties and I was kind of sweating the Hiss test 117 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.480 when I went through MEPs. But I mean, and I 118 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.480 made a deal with myself. Hey self, but you're not 119 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:46.240 gonna do that shit anymore. Yeah, your career, yeh for 120 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:47.839 that kind of stuff. And and it wasn't a big deal. 121 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.040 It was just kind of like the usual West Coast stuff. 122 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.199 But I went to Buds, or actually I went to 123 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.680 corn At school and then went to BUDS. Classed up 124 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:03.560 in uh the winter of eighty eight with class one 125 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.879 fifty three. That was my whole week. Class had one 126 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:08.800 hundred you know, the typical numbers, one hundred and sixty 127 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.680 something sixty six, I think, guys, and I think forty 128 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:16.439 made it through Hell week or something like that. And uh, 129 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.120 talk more about it later about like you know, some 130 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.480 of the bud stuff. But made it through Hell week. 131 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.519 I got rolled back because I got it. I got hurt, 132 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:29.199 but ended up graduating with class one fifty six and 133 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.399 then uh, you know, started the pipeline. Went to Airborne 134 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:39.040 school and I had a funny stories. I was only 135 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:44.079 Corman to graduate from my class. And when orders came out. 136 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.040 You know, you probably do the same thing in the army. 137 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.720 You feel out a dream sheet, like where do you 138 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.759 want to go? Right? And I had this girlfriend at 139 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.319 the time. I was trying to, you know, put distance 140 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.439 between and a nice person. I just just wanted to 141 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.079 be free. So I put down every West East Coast 142 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.560 team SIL team I could on my dream sheet, and 143 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.519 of course I didn't get orders to the East Coast. 144 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.319 I got orders to the West Coast, but uh the 145 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.720 orders were weird because it wasn't like SIL Team three, 146 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.319 Silteam one, SUL Team five. It was like some weird name, 147 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:26.160 and uh, you know, the instructors are looking at me like, hmm, 148 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.360 how did you get those orders? I'm like, dude, I 149 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.840 only even know what this is. And so I went 150 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.480 and talked to the Phase master chief and he said, hey, uh, 151 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.879 that's uh, that's the cover name for Red Cell, right, 152 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:42.320 So I don't know if you know what red Cell is, 153 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.679 but that was the second Marsenko command that he created, 154 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.799 and they were basically the real world kind of up 155 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.120 a red team for security, for defenses and things like 156 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.840 that for bases, and that kind of went sideways a 157 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.200 little bit right after that. But so they sat me down, 158 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.200 they said, hey, this is these are pretty awesome orders, 159 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:09.759 but if you want my advice, I mean, you'll you'll 160 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.200 have a lot of fun. You'll get a lot of 161 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.639 really high speed schools, and you'll get a lot of 162 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.039 calls and a bunch of things that you'll really enjoy, 163 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:23.519 but you won't get the opportunity to learn how to 164 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:27.279 be a good frogman. Ah okay, good seal Because you know, 165 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.159 the pipeline was STT, which is now SQT. I mean 166 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:32.879 back then most of us, as you probably know, would 167 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.360 go to our team. He'd be on probation for six 168 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.679 months or a year and a year sometimes longer depending 169 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:44.759 and you went through advanced training seal tactical training, and 170 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.879 you're evaluated by your peers basically. So it was it 171 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.279 was one of those kind of things, which I think 172 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.960 is a really good way of doing it. But anyways, 173 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:53.919 they said, yeah, if you do that, you know you're 174 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.000 not going to get the opportunity to really cut your 175 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.000 teeth in the traditional way. And back then the teams 176 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:07.720 were kind of geographically specialized. So I said, okay, sounds 177 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:12.039 like good advice. But then when I talked to the detailer, 178 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:13.440 He's like, yeah, you're going to stil Team five. And 179 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.440 I'm like, it's like right next door, right, you know. 180 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.960 And in Coronado and uh, seal teammate had just come 181 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.279 on board. They just commissioned it and they needed corman. 182 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.120 So I swapped with a guy and went out to 183 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:33.960 seal teammate, drove my Volkswagen bus all the way across 184 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.320 the United States with everything I owned, straight to Airborne 185 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:42.679 School and subsequently to Virginia Beach. 186 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.639 And create the distance with the girlfriend that you needed 187 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:47.200 at the time. 188 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.120 Yeah, yeah, I think you did. I don't know how 189 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.360 much further I kind of went. And to be to 190 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.039 be quite honest with that, she was a great person. 191 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.039 I just wasn't you know how women? Sure? Young? You 192 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.360 were young? You were young? Yeah? And hot? 193 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:01.879 Right? 194 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.720 Muscular? Yeah, yeah, definitely. 195 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.600 You're like a lot of like a lot of women 196 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.720 deserve all this, Like I can't be selfish and just 197 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.600 deprived of this little slice of heaven exactly. 198 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:19.039 Yeah, there was there was a lot to conquer still, 199 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:23.039 but it was it was good. Yeah, there's along the way, 200 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.000 I had some pretty cool adventures just uh was one. 201 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:32.240 Getting from getting from there to Virginia Beach was another, 202 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.639 and et cetera. So that nothing real outstanding. 203 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.559 I guess, well that's that's okay. 204 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.600 I mean, let's let's hear a little bit more about 205 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.799 what it was like at steal teammate. I mean, you 206 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.159 said you were one of the plant owners of that team, 207 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.159 since they were just standing it up when you got there. 208 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.000 Yeah, and that's something I didn't really realize at the 209 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.080 time because I always thought plant owners were like the 210 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.879 people that were on the roster when they actually broke 211 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.559 the champagne bottle of ship. Right. But but technically, if 212 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.960 you're one of the first people to go there within 213 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.200 a I guess it's within a year, first year or whatever, 214 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.600 you know, where they're filling out the roster. The billets 215 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.759 Yere Plank Conner show. I haven't really pursued that, like 216 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:15.559 I'd like to get, you know, some certificate or piece 217 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.519 of wood or something. But yeah, so I show up 218 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.879 at Virginia Beach and you know, back then, I don't 219 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.960 know if you've ever been to Naval Amphibious Space a 220 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:27.159 little creek, but it's changed a lot, of course, But 221 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.080 it was just Seal Team four, Team two and STB 222 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.600 two were there. Teammate was brand new, and I remember 223 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.159 going through the gate and asking someone, Hey, where's Seal teammate? 224 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.159 And the guard said, go down here and make a 225 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.840 left all the way to the end. Make another right. 226 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.320 You'll be right there. Turn the corner and I see 227 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.240 the signs and I see the compound on the left 228 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.240 and it's the right it's the teams, but on the 229 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.320 right it's a bunch of like a chain link fence 230 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.279 and a bunch of trailers trailer park, and that was 231 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:06.440 teammate went in and checked in, and it was it 232 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.960 was an interesting time back in eighty nine ninety because 233 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.200 a bunch of the guys who were there were had 234 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.519 just come back from Persian golf, so they did Iran 235 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:23.159 a jar and you know those ops that that a 236 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.759 certain guy named Malcolm says he did, but he didn't. 237 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.480 Uh yeah. So we had this really kind of a 238 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.080 unique mix of folks there some basically it was known 239 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.039 as Dump eight at the time, right, so that's where 240 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.480 you kind of like cast off all your you know, 241 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.960 free agents that that you want to get rid of 242 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.879 your problem kids. At the same time, there was a 243 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.320 bunch of guys who were really solid who volunteered to 244 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:51.279 go because they wanted to be part of creating a dug. 245 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:57.200 So we had this really eclectic mix of folks. And 246 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.519 to give you an example of what I mean by colectic, 247 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.279 we're in we're at ranks for quarters one morning and 248 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.279 Exo's up there doing give them the plan of the day, 249 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.320 and all of a sudden you hear some of these 250 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.279 guys like yelling, and all of a sudden, whack. I 251 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.799 look down the line. There's these guys are in a fistfight, right, 252 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.000 you know, like at the end of the line, just 253 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.200 beating each other up. And you know it's over a woman, 254 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.240 of course, you know, that's how it works. And I'm like, oh, wow, 255 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.240 this is awesome. What do I get myself into? But 256 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.960 you know, over time, you know, being in the first 257 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.639 platoons was it was fun, you know, it was really 258 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:40.080 cool to learn from some really great talented guys and 259 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.320 started to point. 260 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.039 Yeah, what were the deployments like back then? 261 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.039 I mean, like some of the I mean you're talking 262 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.919 about nineteen nineties now, late eighties, early nineties. 263 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.960 And that's when Charlie Sheen was the Sealed nineteen nineties. 264 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:54.919 Some of the guys a little bit before that would 265 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.279 say that, you know, back back in those days, the 266 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.639 Seal teams were basically, you know, a mask, pair of fins, 267 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:02.919 a snorkel, a weight belt, and a k bar knife 268 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:05.759 and not not a whole lot else. But what was 269 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.960 your experience like when when you started to playing with 270 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:08.799 seal teammate? 271 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:15.039 Yeah, it actually my first platoon was h was a 272 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.960 marg so we actually got spun up to go to 273 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:23.559 Desert Storm, Desert Shield, Dessert Storm, So that was what 274 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:29.000 ninety ninety one, right, ninety was Desert Shield. Yeah, And meanwhile, 275 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.840 at the same time was the invasion of Panama, so 276 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.279 some of the other teams were you know, silking Ford 277 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.399 was was doing that and we had some some guys 278 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.559 get killed down there. My roommate at the time, uh 279 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.240 was a sixty gunner and one of the squads that 280 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:51.919 took the tier airfield. He took around. Luckiest guy in 281 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.519 the world. I mean, he took around like imagine you're 282 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.279 running and you got your your legs hot up in 283 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.360 the air and the round went onunderneath his thigh, missed 284 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.399 his balls by an inch and came out the other 285 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.840 end of his his ass. And when he came back, 286 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.600 of course I like to tell him the story because 287 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.000 I had to like change his dressings all the time 288 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.919 so I can stick and his ass the whole time 289 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.679 changing it. Uh but uh yeah, so we were we 290 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.799 thought we missed our chance to go to war, because 291 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.480 that's what the mindset was back then. It's like, dang, 292 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:25.720 are we ever going to go? You know that kind 293 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:31.600 of thing, like everyone and we scrambled. We deployed to 294 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:37.480 go to Turkey and the they started the shock and aw, 295 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.879 I guess it was, you know, the air war part. 296 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.720 And by the time we get to inter Lick, it 297 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.559 was over right. So it was like we're handing out 298 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.559 MRI's to courage and not trying to step on mines 299 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.279 and stuff like that. Pretty uneventful, but we had a 300 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.000 fun time in the med for the rest of the 301 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.639 six months. So you're basically on a marg you're with 302 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:04.000 a mew breen Uh expeditionary unit. And we got off 303 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.240 the ship a lot because we had things bilats and 304 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.200 j sets and training set up. So we had a 305 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.079 lot of fun which we trained a lot with other counterparts, 306 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.359 the French, Spanish, the Turks. We did Bright Star in Egypt. 307 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.680 What a shit show that is? Man on the Yeah, yeah, 308 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.119 it's funny. There's a We did a jump, you know, 309 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:30.279 one of the one of the things to do is 310 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.880 that kind of combined thing where you do parachute jumps 311 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.759 static line jumps in the desert. And this might have 312 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.519 been in another platoon, but I remember we were in 313 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.359 a see one thirty and the Egyptians must have just 314 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:49.400 like said on their base said, hey go get a parachute, 315 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.200 you're going to jump with these guys, right, And so 316 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.680 we get up there. Everybody snaps in because it wasn't 317 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.160 prey fall, it's just a static line and you could 318 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.640 tell none of them had ever jumped before and were 319 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.640 literally kicking them out the back of the point, right. 320 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:04.079 It was hilarious, right, And of course we went out 321 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.119 to and yeah, so we had you know, that was 322 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.960 kind of Shenanigan's but it was it was good. That's 323 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.200 when you back then you felt like a sailor, which 324 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.119 I think is kind of cool. Yeah, it's a lost 325 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.039 art these days. You know. You we didn't have internet. 326 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.559 You know, the you know mail call was a big deal. Yeah, 327 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:27.400 uh perfume and other things inside, yeah, packages and you 328 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:31.319 and selling Copenhagen for twenty dollars a can to ships board, 329 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:32.799 stuff like that. 330 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.880 Getting a big package of rum cake, you know that 331 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.759 it's like dowst and rum yeah yeh. 332 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.119 Or like my sister would send me Listerine. Yeah, Jim 333 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.200 Beam in it. So it was lister Beam right, you 334 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.480 know that kind of stuff. So, I mean, you know, 335 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.559 typical Shenanigans, but uh got it, got to experience part 336 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.440 of the part of the world and uh maybe a 337 00:18:58.440 --> 00:18:59.880 story of to a pop into my head from then 338 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.720 I just felt, you know. 339 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.480 It was it was yeah, you're living a life. Yeah. 340 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.799 That was my first deployment. So and then uh spun 341 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.680 right back around and got ready to do another one. 342 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:19.039 And so the second platoon was a strike platoon at 343 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.000 the time, it was uh which was was based on 344 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:29.240 a carrier instead of with the Marines, and so we 345 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.680 all got free fall called we all. I was a 346 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.240 bunch of high speed guys. I mean it was stacked 347 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.559 platoon of you know, the airlready had two three four 348 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:42.680 deployments and we were on the John F. Kennedy deployed 349 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.200 on that and the probably don't remember this, but the 350 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:50.960 Saratoga was the this carrier we were leaving and they 351 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.079 were off station off of Interlick I believe no, Yeah, 352 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.599 they were off Turkey and they were doing some kind 353 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.839 of exercise. And this is when someone on the Saratoga, 354 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.039 like fire control guys, shot a missile and hit a 355 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:10.319 Turkish ship, you know, killed some dudes. 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There you go, I gotcha 411 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.319 getting to use this use to this board here. Well, first, 412 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:15.759 maybe maybe I should tell you my Navy Seals story first. Okay, 413 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.799 go for it, because that was you know, let's be 414 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:23.519 chronologically accurate. So I'm a new guy, mccormyan a lot 415 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.960 to learn and paid for it dearly. A lot of 416 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:31.319 the things I did wrong during STT. I don't know 417 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.359 if you're allowed to say hazing, but that was you 418 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.279 writes of passage. 419 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.960 Maybe you know the physical correction. 420 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:45.039 Yes, exactly. So I was cocky to say the least. 421 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.440 I had a jeep c J shaven, you know, lifted 422 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.720 and everything, and I thought i'd be cool to like 423 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.000 get a personalized license plate, you know, real real smart 424 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:01.640 move five and as a for a thing. So I 425 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:08.599 got this played that said sealed doc right, and I 426 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.759 co driving into through work one day and didn't last long. 427 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:20.759 I we're like eighty monsf we go, let's have a talk, right, So, 428 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.480 about an hour and a half after being in the 429 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:29.240 dip tank riggers taped up breathing through a snorkel kind 430 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.279 of thing, got the message. I don't know if you've 431 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.119 ever seen that or not. But yeah, you know, you 432 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.640 can dip your rig and a dip tank and see 433 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.519 if it's see if it's leaking air. It also works 434 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.160 you can put a guy into there and you just 435 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:48.680 rigor tape a snorkel to his mouth so you can breathe. Yeah, 436 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.599 so I got rid of that. But so it's what 437 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.519 this would be in I'm going back a little bit. 438 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.440 This will be eighty nine. This was I was. I 439 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:58.400 was in this bar watching the World Series as the 440 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:01.279 A's and the Yankees, I think, and I'm sitting at 441 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.480 the bar just paying attention to the game, and I 442 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.359 looked down at the end and I'm like, fuck, I 443 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.440 know that guy from some place right, And it turns 444 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:13.400 out it was trying to wrap my brains who he 445 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.799 was at the time, but it was Michael Bean. 446 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.240 If you know him or not, Yeah he was. He 447 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.279 played the ceiling like, yeah, he was Corporal Hicks. And 448 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.160 I come, yeah, so Michael Bean's down there and. 449 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.400 I don't know, We're only like two stools away and 450 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.640 we're talking about the game and whatnot, and he says, hey, 451 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.279 so what do you do? And I go, I'm the Navy, 452 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.000 and he goes, really, what are you doing. Yeah, I'm 453 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.880 I'm in the teams or really And I said, yeah, 454 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.200 what do you doing? I said him a corman? And 455 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:48.319 he goes, really, he introduced himself and he said, you know, 456 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.759 we're talking more. And I just finished like the short 457 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.200 course eighteen delta, right, so I know I was stick 458 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:59.799 things and you know, the goat the gold labor because 459 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:01.559 back and we didn't have the pipeline, so it was. 460 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.720 Like the traumas the trauma. 461 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.279 Here's the trauma met Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so you know 462 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:09.640 you're carrying around this awesome you know, bed bag and 463 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:11.920 just hoping people have car crashes in front of you 464 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.000 so you so you can cry them exactly. Yeah. Yeah, 465 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:26.000 you were in two large varieties whatever. Yeah. So he says, 466 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.839 you know, after we talked for a while, he says, hey, 467 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.519 would you mind like like meeting us over at our 468 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.160 hotel coming days. I want you to look at the 469 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.079 script we're doing. We're doing a film, a movie, and 470 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.039 it's just they lost their director or changed their writers 471 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.319 or something like that. So it was I said, sure, 472 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.119 you know, to do local, you know, real reality kind 473 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.759 of check on because what's his name? Rick Rossovich was 474 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:55.599 playing played the corman remember Rick with from Top Gun, right, yeah, 475 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:01.960 and uh he was Iceman's Iceman's yeah. Yeah. So I 476 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.960 go there and remember reading the script and I'm like 477 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.519 it was just cheesy, like this is when the chief 478 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.559 gets shot or somebody gets shot, and they you know, 479 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.160 they do some bullshit stuff and then they close his eyes. 480 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.880 He's going all kind of stuff like, well, that's not 481 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.559 exactly how we do it, right, we do this, this 482 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.680 and this, And I kind of demonstrated you know, full 483 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.720 sweep and air away and all that kind of stuff, 484 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.240 and made some they made some script changes and and 485 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.079 then you know, that kind of comes out later on 486 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.480 in the in the film to a degree. I mean 487 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.640 some of it got cut, but but uh, prior to that, 488 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.720 back to the bar, incomes Charlie Sheen. That's right, I 489 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.599 forgot this part. Incomes Charlie Sheen with his freaking entourage 490 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:45.200 with people, and uh, they're you know, women and stuff, 491 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.079 and I'm like, yeah, hey, what's up? You know, you know, 492 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.359 typical like, yeah, who are you? I don't care, right, 493 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:55.039 you know, And it was I think because I didn't care. 494 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.440 I mean, I knew who he was, but you know, 495 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.880 you kind of hit it off and and one thing. 496 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.759 Let to know that. Then I went the next a 497 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.759 couple of days, went over to their thing and we wrote, 498 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.480 helping me write some of the scenes in the script. 499 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:13.559 And uh so that's that's, that's my contribution to Navy seals. 500 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.079 I didn't you know, ah, when there's a gun running, 501 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.759 gun battle and a couple of guys get killed, you know, 502 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.960 Rick at least tries to do the right thing, right, 503 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.160 he used the right verbiage and all that kind of stuff. 504 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.119 So so there's that. And I never told anybody about 505 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.119 that because I was already in kind of on the 506 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:35.240 on the fence anyways with thee my own Yeah, yeah, 507 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:41.000 I was giving enough trouble, you know, them home on 508 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.240 accident and my roommates like, what the fuck is this? 509 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:49.480 And you know, sorry for the language. 510 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.640 Yeah, it's an adult show, so don't hold back. 511 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.720 Okay, I just got to my lips. 512 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.599 What are you drinking tonight there, Drew. 513 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:03.640 Well, I didn't plan on drink can sasaac, but okay, 514 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.400 I was gonna do one of those other ones back there. 515 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.000 You have a nice collation back there. That's that's a 516 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.799 tip of the iceberg, bro. I mean, this is this 517 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.519 is this is my wife's office. Okay, I had to 518 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.319 like throw ship into props in here like to so 519 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.000 you wouldn't see all the World Bank development. 520 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.160 Going on here, all the new World Orders stuff. 521 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.680 Yeah, to be honest with you, she's she's a rock 522 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.960 star at the world back and I probably wouldn't say 523 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.000 because now whatever kill you. 524 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.559 But she's an expert in frog and corruption, anti money laundering, 525 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:45.680 lives an exciting life. 526 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.079 I bet. 527 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:53.440 Yeah. So back to that actually happened before Second Deployment 528 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.160 I think. And then coming back to the Second deployment, 529 00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.119 g I Jane, that movie came out, I think it 530 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:05.160 was early nineties. Yeah, and we knew that they were 531 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.920 shooting some scenes in Virginia Beach, a couple of them. 532 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:14.000 And so every year the Sealed Community, Naval Special Warfare, 533 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.640 including you know, Swick and everybody who supports them, they 534 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.640 do a reunion on both coasts different times. But it's 535 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.240 at Little It's and it's like starts on the meetinghouse 536 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.000 on Friday, you know, you it's a Chiefs club. That's 537 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.519 wherever he meets, and you know there's a whole lot 538 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.480 of good times there drinking and then Saturdays, you know, 539 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.799 various events like uh, there's a demonstration, there's a run, 540 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.680 there's a swim you know where kids and everybody can 541 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.079 run in that different classes and then categories. Saturday night 542 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.759 is a oh and we do a KPEX kind of demonstration, 543 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.039 you know where I did a bunch of those where 544 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.200 bass rope in and snipers come out of the water 545 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.359 and you know, things like that for the for the families. 546 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:02.880 And then in the evening on Saturday is the beach party. 547 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.880 So it's at the Officers Beach. I think I don't 548 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:07.279 know if it's still his anymore. I think it's in 549 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.079 forts story now, so it might be different. But and 550 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.000 we'd heard rumors that that she was going to come. 551 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.000 What's her name, DEMI mere me to me, to me 552 00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.799 more to me, it's like Kamala, I can't say it 553 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:29.519 right whatever to me mour was coming. And so sure enough, 554 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.200 you know, at midnight or eleven thirty or whatever, we're 555 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.279 all kind of like hammered. Anyways, she ends up showing up, 556 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.720 and she's got like four older frogmen, retired dudes who 557 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.839 are escort and around kind of their bodyguard escort kind 558 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.519 of thing, so she can navigate the you know the environment, 559 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.839 and let's just say. It wasn't real popular, right, I mean, 560 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:58.640 people weren't real excited, yah, yeah to see her. And uh, 561 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.400 you know, so I remember looking ours with some guys 562 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.599 and I said, I'm gonna go get her a beer. 563 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.480 So I went over and got a beer red solo cup, 564 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.519 brought it over to her. I said hey to me, 565 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.079 and I was smoking cigar or something. You're gonna be 566 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.599 a if you're you're gonna be a seal. Here, here, 567 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.720 have a beer, you know, drink a beer with me. 568 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.279 And she's like, oh, I don't. I don't drink, and uh, 569 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.160 I was like, oh really, So I just had it 570 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.119 and I wanted it at her and I just turned 571 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.480 it upside down and dumped it on her feet and 572 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.759 just dropped the solo cup and wopped away right now. 573 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.799 I mean, I don't think I meant to drop it one. 574 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.400 I meant to just pour it out there, but I 575 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.279 was kind of wobbly, and uh walked back to my 576 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.599 guys and uh, you know, that was it. And then 577 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.759 later on, you know, kind of came back years later, 578 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.519 a couple of years ago where other guys were talking 579 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.519 about that, and he said, you know, yea, I heard 580 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.680 about that I know if it's true, and yeah, that 581 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.240 was true, but you know, nothing happened. I an't get 582 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.559 in trouble or anything. But I just feel like that's 583 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.000 you know, they're going to be you want to be 584 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.240 a team guy or team gal or what you gotta 585 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:19.599 you gotta play the part man. 586 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.319 Right, Yeah, so you tell that like her not drinking 587 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.079 was was more was more unbelievable. It was more unbelievable 588 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:28.720 than her being a woman. 589 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:36.440 Frog. I wish I could remember more. There was more 590 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.480 to it, but I think I might have even been 591 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.079 I'm probably being kinder now and retelling the story. 592 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.799 And kind of yeah about kind of yourself you mean 593 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.160 or to her? 594 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because there was more dialogue but. 595 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.599 You know, some slur language going back and forth. 596 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.359 Well, I mean it was respectful, but you know, still, 597 00:33:58.680 --> 00:33:59.640 you know what it was. 598 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.920 What what did you think of the feature film, Drew? 599 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.400 You know, I don't remember if I watched the whole 600 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.280 thing or not, because it was so I mean, at 601 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.239 least Sheen and Bean's navy seal. There was there was 602 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.960 things that were accurate, right right. The thing about that 603 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:25.719 movie that's it's generally accurate is we pride ourselves on 604 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.440 the East coast. Let's just put it this way. The 605 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.079 West coast seals right, and there's a lot of they're 606 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.679 all great, everybody's the same, but they like to surf. 607 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:41.239 You talk about hairjel you know that's them. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, 608 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.119 they're you know, they're they like to do all that 609 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.000 kind of stuff. And they even put out a calendar. 610 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:51.920 This was hilarious back in the like early nineties, this calendar, 611 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.239 and it had all these beefcake shots of these guys, right, 612 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.599 and we just never let them live live it down right, 613 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.679 because it was like a fundraiser of deal and a 614 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:03.000 bunch of guys. I went through buds with it, and 615 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.079 of course we made find like hey, if you're on 616 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.599 the East Coast, our calendar would be picture of a 617 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.360 guy jumping out of a second story bedroom window because 618 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.760 the you know, the boyfriend came home or you know, 619 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.000 up against the wall getting arrested by the cops or 620 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.920 pulled over for d u I or something like that. 621 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.119 That's that would be like more of the East Coast stuff. 622 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:32.039 And yeah, so that I forgot what I was going 623 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.760 to say about that. 624 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.599 You know, you're a question that that that the Navy 625 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:40.360 Seals Seals Yeah, ok, yeah, Seal Team or the Navy 626 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:40.920 Seal movies. 627 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.920 So you know they do a fairly because that was 628 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.639 written by Chuck Farr, I think, you know so who 629 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.760 used to be in the teams. Yeah, because he also. 630 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.639 Did d he wrote a bunch of he did. 631 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.400 He did yeah, And and it's it's not his fault 632 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.000 that the movie turned out the way it did, because 633 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.440 you know, it's always budget, it's always director, it's always 634 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.000 you know, a bunch of other people can can influence things. 635 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.280 But there was some things that were you know, I 636 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.159 don't think and little little you know, clip claven worthless 637 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.599 bit of information. The scene where Charlie jumps out of 638 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.679 the back of the CG seven going across the bridge 639 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.280 to Portsmuth into the water. If you if you watch 640 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.519 that again you can see it. The stuntman kind of 641 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.559 didn't enter the water the right way and end up 642 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.679 getting hurt pretty good. Really. Yeah, there's back or something 643 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.000 like that, but you know, it just kind of like 644 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.559 and then the golf course stuff is classic and all that, 645 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.519 but G I. Jane just seemed to be just way 646 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.079 too contrived. I mean, they couldn't even simulate buds, right, yeah, 647 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.639 you know it was. 648 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.119 It was terrible, crazy and if Ego Mortensen in that movie, yeah, 649 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.159 confronting to me in the showers. 650 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.880 Yeah yeah, it's like, yeah, you know that. That's so 651 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.920 you've seen the movie. I have seen the feature film. Yes, 652 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.920 there's a whole seer school scene in there. Yeah, but 653 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.639 I digress, I digress. Let's get back. 654 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.840 So we want to hear this stuff. 655 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.760 Let's get back to Drew. Drew, what was what was 656 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.920 deployment number three? Like, are we getting towards the point 657 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.199 where the Balkans are starting to come up on your radar? 658 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.039 Yeah, so let's see second platoon the Balkans. Yes, it 659 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.320 was the early nineties, so that was a full scale 660 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.159 war going on. We actually did the G and C. 661 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.679 The carrier did sorties into the war zone at the time, 662 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.159 right into the Balkans while they were still fighting, and 663 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.960 we did, you know, a couple of little vanilla kind 664 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.840 of recon things, but they were just there were nothing 665 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.760 to speak of thinking. But mostly we were there for trap, 666 00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:00.000 you know, like if playing with down, we were supposed 667 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.800 going to be the crew to go help get the pilot, 668 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.599 and uh, there was a pilot shot down but the 669 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.039 Marines did that that mission from US uh oh what's 670 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.000 it called there? Right? The Air Force base? 671 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:14.239 Uh? 672 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:15.840 Was that was? 673 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.039 That? 674 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.119 Was that when Scott O. Grady got shot down? 675 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.480 Yeah, yeah, yep. And so we didn't get to do that, 676 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:27.719 but but that was like, as your partner can attest 677 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.840 to you, that was a suitcase full of cash kind 678 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.239 of exchange. You know, the movies say, you know, do 679 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:42.039 have one version but the oh really yeah, I mean yeah, 680 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.920 there's more of a more of a greed kind of thing. 681 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.039 But you know, prior to that actually taking place, there 682 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.440 was some you know, real world stuff going on, people 683 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.159 looking for him and everything. So that second deployment on 684 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.119 the carrier, we didn't uh, we did a lot of that. 685 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.880 But so Balkans was on my radar. Yugoslavia came back 686 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:10.280 then that was still teammate. I screened for dam Neck 687 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:16.400 at the time and got selected, but I was also 688 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.719 let's see, how make sure we get this right. Yeah, 689 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.320 so I didn't know what I was going to get. 690 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.719 And the orders came out to go to Gray Green, 691 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:34.480 which would have been the boats, but I was on deployment, 692 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.880 so it was on the carrier and they had a 693 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.199 policy at the command not to take guys off mid 694 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.639 deployment to come, you know, so that you know, just 695 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.000 lucky to draw at that point. So I got back, 696 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.960 re screened and got a positive screening. But at the 697 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.480 time I was at E six Corman, they had just 698 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:03.000 kind of retooled the whole pipe line for becoming a chief. 699 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.760 You know, I had to have eighteen Delta qualification or 700 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.679 or Navy I d C school independ to do the 701 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.280 Corma school. So I went out to actually I went 702 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.679 out to dl I first, that's right, and I came 703 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.920 back and screened. But so I went out to dl 704 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:19.559 I learned French Ish. 705 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:24.679 How amazing is dl I when you're an enlisted specofs. 706 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.840 Guy, dude. I tried every way to extend out there. 707 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.800 I could, right, you know, it's like, oh, can I 708 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.360 take intermediate French or no, can I take advance or whatever? 709 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.519 Can I break my foot or whatever? But I learned 710 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.320 a golf out there, and it's just it's so beautiful. Yeah, 711 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.480 you know, it's monitoring Carmel or just Pacific grower, which 712 00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:51.960 is awesome. Yeah. That came back and that's when I 713 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.079 guess that's when Haiti happened ninety four, right, went to 714 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.519 Seal Team five. All right, I'm sorry stil Team too. 715 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.800 So I went from teammates and in the in the process, 716 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.039 in the meantime, teammate had they had a proper compound built, 717 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.400 you know, we we'd be you know, we were normal 718 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.519 by then, you know, by the by the end of 719 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:19.159 our deployments, my deployments there had proper compound, establishing a reputation. 720 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.920 It was all good. Checked into Team two and that 721 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.079 was like, I'm really in the teams now, you know. 722 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:34.480 It was awesome. The uh it's just Rudy Bosh was 723 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.800 the command master chief, you know, and it was like, 724 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.920 you know, you'd walk around and be like, uh, check 725 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:42.800 the watch built, you know, because if your hair wasn't 726 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.480 cut right, you're you're on weekend duty and stuff like that. 727 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.159 I mean, it didn't matter where you came from. Even 728 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.360 in even a regular team guy. I mean, they were gentle, 729 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.320 gentler in welcoming you than than a brand new guy. 730 00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:57.760 You know. 731 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.920 With that was always fun orders to see a new 732 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.239 guy check in and truss blues and it's like the 733 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.599 command master chief and the exo would be like, say, hey, 734 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.800 so and so walk up here and introduce yourself and 735 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.639 they say I'm seeing it. They shut up, you know 736 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.039 that kind of thing, and then they walk away. And 737 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.679 it was a scheme one welcome, welcome, and mean them 738 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.159 to the command. But yeah, Team two was to this 739 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.960 day I it's it was the lore and uh you 740 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.760 know one of the original two teams. They have a 741 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:33.719 great Vietnam history. And I was just just stellar performers. 742 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.559 It was like the Triple A Club for for Damn 743 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.119 Neck basically, you know, so you know, they were recruited 744 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.599 out of there heavily, and they had like a pipeline 745 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:48.119 going so guys would rotate from from Damn Neck you know, 746 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:54.679 to training and platoons and then passing knowledge on. But 747 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.880 my first platoon there, let's see in between between that 748 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:06.639 platoon and after d L I, I didn't j c 749 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.400 O mission in the Balkans. I don't know if you 750 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:15.519 know what that is, jack Joint Commission Observer. So they 751 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:21.159 had just declared the ceasefire okay in in Yugoslavia, Cirpska 752 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.960 and all that. So NATO or SPUR was going into 753 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.239 you know, carve it up and they had the British 754 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.559 sector of tie sector for yeah, I think these. Yeah, 755 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.239 so it was true. It was really an s F 756 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.599 eighteen mission, right, but they didn't have enough guys, so 757 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.360 they would, you know, let us play. So one or 758 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:44.039 two of us per house would would pair up and 759 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:51.199 go living on in a house in the different sectors Bonya, Luca, everywhere, Tusla, 760 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.320 you know, all the all the different places, and the 761 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.360 s F guys did their s F you know, i 762 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:02.119 W stuff and what was cool about it While everybody 763 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.639 else in the whole AO was in full battle rattle 764 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.079 and kevlar and helmets and body arm and all that. 765 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.519 We were driving around thin skin vehicles with turps, just 766 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:19.079 wearing cameis with no idea on them and maybe a pistol, 767 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.320 and we go anywhere we want, We blew past every 768 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.079 checkpoint in the country, just did whatever we wanted to do. 769 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.320 And then they did their collection and stuff and it 770 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:32.639 was it was basically the mission was, you know, collect 771 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:37.000 information that might be intel and established relationships, you know, 772 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.199 kind of figure out stuff and then you know, the 773 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:46.960 precursor to some stuff that our cousins were already doing. 774 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.119 We you know, kind of in the open helped them 775 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.320 out with that. But it was a great time. Tenth group. Again, 776 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:55.440 that was my first exposure to those guys. I wish 777 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.760 I could remember their names, but we were in the 778 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.079 Sarajevo house, which was actually on the ser side. So 779 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.360 I don't know how familiar you are with the with 780 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.840 the conflict or not. But what was telling What was 781 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.000 really amazing about Sarajevo when I went there's uh that 782 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.599 it was they still had snipers and they still had 783 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.760 the occasional stuff going on, but you could really tell 784 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.519 who had the most arms by the condition of what 785 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.400 side of town you were in because it was just 786 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.119 destroyed and being on the Serbian side, you know, they 787 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.639 did what the what the Serbs did is they displaced 788 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.440 a lot of people. They just basically came and said, hey, 789 00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.880 we're taking your house. You can go live in Croatia. 790 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.599 Beat it, you know, that kind of thing, and some 791 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.840 family would take it over. But uh, it was it 792 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.400 was a really interesting time, you know, just driving around 793 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.280 with those guys and working with them, and at the 794 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.880 same time we you know, got to move around doing 795 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.400 other things. So that was a that was a fun time. 796 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.840 The j c O Mission. Sometimes I forget about that, uh, 797 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.880 but that really kind of opened me, opened my eyes 798 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.599 to kind of what was really going on, the ethnic cleansing, 799 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:18.400 and then you know the post Tito world and you 800 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.480 know the influence of this, you know the Soviet Union 801 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.920 once the Soviet Union fallen, just how how that affected 802 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:30.480 different uh parts of the world. So let's see. So 803 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.679 back to Team too, did a deployment there went We 804 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:39.000 actually left early for that. This is when Momboto Seiko okay, 805 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.920 he was the leader of what used to be called 806 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:47.400 zaiir H. There was a civil war going on and 807 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:56.280 the embassy and uh serially no in capital of u Zaire. 808 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.480 Oh yeah, why can't I think of that? I think 809 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.480 a Sasarak moment right now. Anyway, we had to go 810 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.519 early because there was that going on, it was unstable, 811 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.119 they're thinking about doing the neo. And then also Serial 812 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.199 Leon was was a shit show too, So I mean 813 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.559 that's just like everybody who's been an s F guy 814 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.039 or a Team guy in the in the nineties has 815 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.679 been to either Seria Leone or Liberia, right, you know, 816 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.000 because they kept collapsing. So we went early. We got 817 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.760 on the USS care starge, my squad with six eight 818 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.840 other seven other guys and the and the LT. So 819 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.840 the way they broke up a sealed platoon is sixteen guys. 820 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.920 You have an AOI O I see who's usually a 821 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.960 tenant uh three, and then an ao I C he's 822 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.239 going to be an O two or you know usually 823 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.440 or a hard charge in O one. And then you 824 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:57.559 have a chief and uh leading petty officer. So I 825 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.079 was leading petty officer, which which is he six? Help ill? 826 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.440 So I pair up with the lieutenant my squad, Alpha squad, 827 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.440 and then Bravo squad. It was you know, they paired 828 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.280 up with the chief, the chief and and the AOS. 829 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.719 So my squad leaves two weeks early. We get on 830 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.360 the care Sarage and steam full speed over to West 831 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:27.280 Africa to Zaire and uh we wait for you know 832 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.639 what we're going to do. We did an intel mission, 833 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.719 which is kind of training, but no one knew where 834 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.440 the guy was. Right, he had left the country because 835 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:41.000 he's you know, was wanted by the Hague and everybody else. 836 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.079 But but things were going south. The Marines were planning 837 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.960 a non combatant evacuation operation across the river in Brazzaville, 838 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:55.119 in Cootevar, and the we were wondering what we were 839 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.719 going to do. So remember divots for divots, the sat 840 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.400 com thing where you could go take photos and then 841 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:03.760 blast them back over. 842 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.440 It was like it was like a very early form 843 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.199 of yeah yeah, yeah. 844 00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.239 So we just had to get off the ship. So 845 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:16.440 we we just convinced. We convinced the pops officer a look, 846 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.199 you know, let's go do this thing and in in 847 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.880 uh point in Noir. It's just like this little town 848 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.039 right on the Atlantic to this airfield and we go 849 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.119 there and land. You know, we get some some marine 850 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.559 heels bring us to this place and drop us off. 851 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:37.239 We're taking pictures all these old megs like make fifteens, 852 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.000 make seventeens or you know, just rotten away on this airfield. 853 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.920 And we were bored, bored. F aug Man's a dangerous thing. 854 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.719 So we my leathermen. I broke into one of those 855 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:55.760 cockpits and took a bunch of gyroscopes and instruments out 856 00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.639 of there souvenirs. But while we're sitting, you know, okay, 857 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.840 we're gonna do our training, we take some pictures or 858 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.679 Intel specialists guy on the team, he's got his big 859 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.639 camera out and this seven O seven I think or 860 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.119 seven sixty so I don't know what it was. Some 861 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.239 big plane lands on the other side of the airfield 862 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.519 and he's looking through hist his camera and he sees 863 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.599 they opened the door and it's like all this gold 864 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:28.639 stuff's inside there, like gold handles and you know, really ornate. Well, 865 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:33.039 it just turns out that that was the president of 866 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:37.519 the country, the dictator about to Hasey Sayclo's plane, and 867 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.480 we accidentally found where he was because he you know, 868 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:42.679 he's leaving the country and they were getting fuel or whatever. 869 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.920 We sent it back and and so it's happenstance. But 870 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:50.320 that was the extent of what we did there. Marines 871 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.920 actually did more. But in the meantime stuff started going 872 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.840 sideways and I always get him mixed up. I apologize, 873 00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.679 library are serial leone. So we had to zoom up 874 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.880 there and evacuate the embassy and brought a bunch of 875 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.039 people off the neo there. But the fun part, the 876 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.199 interesting part of this whole thing is right, so the 877 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:16.159 MAGTAF the new commander is a Marine. He's six and 878 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.039 the Navy guy who's running the ship is uh, you 879 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:24.079 know obviously in six to two as well. So in 880 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.199 the Navy, if you're at sea for more than thirty days, 881 00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.480 you get a beer ration, right, and we were at 882 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:33.760 sea for sixty five days. We only people to get 883 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.840 off the ship by the time we did get off, 884 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.480 where before that was our squad and the Marines that 885 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:46.280 actually went to the embassy and we crossed the If 886 00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.760 you cross the equator in the Navy, you're what's known 887 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.960 as a shellback. If you heard of that ceremony, yeah 888 00:51:52.960 --> 00:52:00.000 that okay, Well we crossed the equator at the primary 889 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.599 so we crossed at zero zero zero zero, which makes 890 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.239 you the most unique shell back in the world. Right, 891 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:13.719 so you have a special neptune, you have a special ceremony, 892 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:22.719 and uh that's you know, another fun time. But for 893 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.079 whatever reason, they didn't want to give us a beer ration. 894 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.719 So now we're like, hey, we're two and a half. 895 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.840 What the what the f? You know, we do all 896 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.320 our work. Ship cruises north. The first place we're going 897 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:41.559 to pull into port is the Canary Islands. So it's 898 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.559 like the way they do it in the in the Navy. Right. 899 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.679 You they set I don't know if you guys ever 900 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:48.840 been on ship, but they set what's called seeing anchor detail. 901 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.960 So that's you know, you have the cruise divided up 902 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.559 into two or three ships and see an anchor. Those 903 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.320 are the guys who manned the ship and and take 904 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.119 care of when it comes into port, getting it all 905 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.159 tied up. And then they do you know, they have 906 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.119 to have certain manning on the ship and then embarked company. 907 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.519 Can they get liberty call? And I thought, ah, you know, 908 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.599 my my squad was like, yeah, we're gonna go out. 909 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.000 I'm like, I'm gonna stick around. Me and a couple 910 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.840 of guys are just gonna stick around. We'll go. We'll 911 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:24.280 go in the next liberty. So the Canaries are are 912 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.119 just like sick you know, that's where everybody goes. You know, 913 00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.320 that's where all the reality kind of shows are film 914 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.480 from England, you know, the all that stuff, real destination place. 915 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:39.119 And so I thought, I'm gonna go down to the 916 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.000 Sick Bay and work with the junior Corman down there 917 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.639 because I had already finished Independent Duty Cormer School, which 918 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:47.960 is a year long basically your pas so to speak. 919 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.840 Yeah, it's of course that people don't know about that much, 920 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.559 but it's they don't like it's it's it's like the 921 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:59.920 eighteen Delta course, only it's geared more for like civilized 922 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.039 medicine and not so much like what you might encounter 923 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.159 in the village. But it's very comprehensive. 924 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.840 Yeah to that point. It's so i'd done the at 925 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:11.800 the time. We didn't know in the teams, we didn't know. 926 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.480 You know, it's all it's all fixed. 927 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:13.639 Now. 928 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.039 You go to JFK, you know, you go to the schoolhouse, 929 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.360 you know, you get the same training. But we went 930 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.920 they sent us to ninety one Bravo right early because 931 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.679 they didn't know it, and it was like basically going 932 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.519 to Cormany school all over time. So I'm in San 933 00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.760 Antonio for that as a young guy with three other 934 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.920 two other frog men, junior guys, and I don't even 935 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.480 know if I had my trident at that time or 936 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:40.599 not yet maybe I did. Anyway, San Antonio is the 937 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.679 wrong place to send you young seals who you know, 938 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.960 who already know this stuff. Right. 939 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:53.880 It's a medical campus, right, but it's also just the 940 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.079 most target rich environment in the world, because it's that's 941 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:56.480 what I mean. 942 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.440 It's like everything from med school to every mos that 943 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.280 teaches any kind of medicine, and the Air Force and 944 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.559 then and the Army is there, right and while we 945 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.119 were there. It's I remember, you know, the first couple 946 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.840 of formations, you know how that you know how they 947 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:15.079 have that formation for a formation in the morning. 948 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:15.920 Mm hmm. 949 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.400 It's like you like you wake up and you're there 950 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.199 and you're like, what's what's going on. They're like, they're 951 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.440 just going to tell us when the next formation is 952 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.440 and we'll go to child. I'm like, what the fuck 953 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.440 do we get up for if you just tell us 954 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:27.920 what time to be ready to go? Really that kind 955 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.960 of thing. And then one day it's like we're we 956 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.000 look outside, it's rain and so we put on our 957 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.679 cortex jackets, go outside and it's raining, and everybody else 958 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.559 is like, doesn't have anything on? Why don't you have 959 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.119 rain gear on? There? Like because no one told us 960 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:44.360 to put our punchos on. And I'm like, what do 961 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:45.880 you mean no one told you to put your punch on? 962 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.360 It's raining, you know, It's like did people have to 963 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.559 tell you that? You know, it's a lot of junior guys. 964 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.639 So it was just kind of like our our introduction 965 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.119 to it. So essentially it was like at that point 966 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.079 we figured out, okay, this is how we get around this. 967 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.880 We went to the first sergeant of our company. I 968 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:11.840 guess it is Dave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 969 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:12.519 Crazy. 970 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.760 It was because it was basically you were going you 971 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:16.800 were already a corman. 972 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.559 Yeah, so you were going to basically the A I. 973 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:24.159 T Or A School of the army for their medics 974 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.440 and you're like, what what is going on here? 975 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:30.280 Right? Like you're not teaching me anything, right, right? So 976 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:36.599 they had this pool, its outdoor pool there and it 977 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.159 was like the wintertime so it wasn't open. So we 978 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.079 convinced that first sergeant, hey, we have to maintain our 979 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:48.960 swim or swim calls. And uh he's like, well okay, yeah, 980 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:50.960 I see he was, so, well, we'll just uh what 981 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:55.559 we're gonna do is you know, every morning or we're 982 00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.119 going to go swim in the pool and then we'll 983 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:03.159 just meet the company at the chow hall, right, which 984 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.119 meant we would just could stay out later and then 985 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.880 just you know, take a shower and go to chow 986 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.159 hall like that, you know, normal civilized hour. We actually tried, 987 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.679 we actually tried to do it actually for real, but 988 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.559 it was so damn cold, Like we were like, yeah, 989 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:25.679 now we're just gonna just milk this thing and the 990 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.159 other thing. I remember that that I can speak about 991 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:33.480 openly is well, the one thing about the army back 992 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:39.199 then is there's a lot of smokers, right, and so 993 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:40.800 whenever they we take a break, you know, these guys 994 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.079 would rush outside and start smoking, and we're like bored. 995 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.199 You know, what, are we gonna do push ups? You 996 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:51.239 know whatever. So one weekend we're like, okay, let's let's 997 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.360 go build some pull up bars outside the place, right, 998 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:56.400 So we went to home depot and bought four by 999 00:57:56.440 --> 00:58:01.000 fours and some cement and some keep or some pipe 1000 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:07.079 doug holes and put two different height pull up pull 1001 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.840 up bars right outside. And it was like remember that 1002 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.119 scene in Planet of the Apes when when the monkeys 1003 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.920 see the the apes see the monolith. Oh that's two 1004 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:20.760 thousand and one one. Yeah, yeah, sorry, uh, two thousand 1005 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.239 and one where they're like looking at it like what 1006 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:26.519 the you know they're touching. And it was like Monday, 1007 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.360 and people were like looking at these pull up bars 1008 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:31.360 like they where those come from? And so we, you know, 1009 00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:33.519 on breaks, we go out and do pull ups. You know, 1010 00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.920 we're young, young guys, still like in the best shape 1011 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:41.079 of our lives, just out of buds and everything. But yeah, 1012 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:43.159 that was that was. That was a fun time. Ended 1013 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.320 up getting out of there and then anyway, getting back 1014 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.880 to back to the story, I'm in the Canaries and 1015 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.480 I'm an id c and in these quad zeros. You know, 1016 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.599 that's just that's just a corman in the Navy who 1017 00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:01.320 doesn't have any particular specialty like rady, like radiology tech 1018 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.079 or respiratory therapist or whatever. And I swear to god, 1019 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.360 we set seeing Anchor. We were at the Brow. The 1020 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.639 gangway went down at like two o'clock, between two and three. 1021 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:22.000 By six o'clock, sure patrol was bringing drunk marines and sils. Okay, 1022 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.239 because we've been at sea for sixty five days, right, 1023 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.159 and people just were like, I'm getting hammered, right, So 1024 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:30.960 people were coming back and they were passing out. So 1025 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.400 we just were like bringing in a sick bay. And 1026 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.840 I was teaching teaching these young guys. Okay, what's the 1027 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.679 unconscious protocol? God't know what that is, right, because you 1028 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.639 don't know what's wrong with this guy, and he could 1029 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:43.840 be a diabetic. You could you know, you could be 1030 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.639 on drugs whatever. So I'm gonna teach you the unconscious protocol, 1031 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.639 which basically was I'm going to teach the patient not 1032 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:56.039 to do that again. Right, So two large bore ivs 1033 00:59:56.280 --> 01:00:02.880 nisel aharyngeal uh you're wreath uh cather you know you're 1034 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:03.440 wreath the cather. 1035 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:09.039 Well it starts with that sternal rub right, oh yes, yeah, right, right, 1036 01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:09.920 you do that. 1037 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:12.840 You know, sess uh whatnot? And you know, of course 1038 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.960 they're going to throw up whatever. Right, So the captain 1039 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.199 the surgeon comes in. This six Naval medical Navy officers 1040 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:24.039 doctor comes in. He's like, hey, h what are you doing. 1041 01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:26.480 I go, hey, we're just doing some training, sir, what 1042 01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:28.679 do you mean training? Yeah, well, you know these guys 1043 01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.639 are coming back and they're unconscious and you know, they're 1044 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.920 drunk and whatever. I'm teaching the young guys how to 1045 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:39.000 do ivs and you know, how to do catheters and 1046 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:41.320 nasal fare and airways and you know, blah blah blah. 1047 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:45.360 And he goes, you can't do that. You can't, you can't, 1048 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.360 you can't do invasive. You know this is what you 1049 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.239 do in the teams, right, you do it to each 1050 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.119 other right all the time. But uh, I mean I 1051 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.039 didn't get in trouble or anything. But he's like, yeah, good, 1052 01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:00.559 good initiative. Bad maybe not quite the best judgment. 1053 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:01.280 Yeah. 1054 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.039 So anyway, that story goes to where like, okay, it's 1055 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.039 like you had to be back depending on your rank 1056 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.519 at a certain time on the ship. You know, if 1057 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.519 you're a chief. The chiefs went out seven, so they 1058 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.119 went out and rented hotel room. So you know, they 1059 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:18.079 had they had a base of operation out there. They 1060 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:20.599 did it right. Chiefs mass always did it right. Everybody 1061 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:22.559 else had to be like for E six, you had 1062 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:24.880 to be back by two or something like that. And 1063 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.920 the next day, of course, you have to submit a 1064 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:33.719 mustard mustard report for your guys. So you know, I 1065 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:37.400 wake up and like four of the racks, four or 1066 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.880 five of the racks were empty, Like my guys didn't 1067 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.719 come back. I'm like, fuck, you know, but I ran 1068 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.000 into some chiefs and at breakfast and they're. 1069 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.599 Like, hey man, we ran into your guys. You know 1070 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.440 the awesome We partied with them all night. You know, 1071 01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.800 they're blah blah blah. And I'm like, okay, you know, 1072 01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:59.719 so I knew they were alive. But I had this dilemma, Right, 1073 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:05.159 do I fill out the the muster report right that 1074 01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:08.480 you know the guys are here president or not? 1075 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:15.000 Right? Right, Yeah, I thought, yeah, all present account for 1076 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:18.320 handed it in, you know, because they you know, otherwise 1077 01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.840 balloons start going up and everything. And I this guy 1078 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.480 is friend of mine, Paul, who ended up going to 1079 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.039 the command and doing like fifteen years there. Paul, let's 1080 01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:33.559 go do those guys, and uh went out in town 1081 01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.000 and found them, you know, they were still drinking and everything, 1082 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:41.440 and they could see me coming from from away down 1083 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:50.159 the street and they're like, oh, Andy's pissed, and like, motherfuckers, Man, 1084 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.400 I had a false fire muscle report. And you're you're 1085 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.639 lucky you're alive, because it wouldn't be if I, you know, 1086 01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.599 And I said, here's the deal. You're my bitches for 1087 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.440 the rest of the deployment, right, That's how it's going 1088 01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.800 to work. And uh, you know, it was all good 1089 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.320 after that, and they were I mean, you know. 1090 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.199 I mean to get us some context. 1091 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.599 It puts you in a predicament because you know, you 1092 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.000 don't you don't want to rat your dudes out for 1093 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.440 just being out drinking all night. But if one if 1094 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.519 one of them got seriously hurt or had gone missing, 1095 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:29.000 and you say, yeah, he's president and accounted for, and 1096 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.440 then all of a sudden he ends up like dead 1097 01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.400 and some ali you know, then it comes back on you. 1098 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.800 So what's uh, Drew? I want to ask you. 1099 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.280 You're making your way through the seal teams here, Yeah, 1100 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.559 you kind of you kind of I don't want to 1101 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.159 say got screwed over, but I mean as far as 1102 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.000 like where you were at in your career, it was 1103 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.599 very difficult for you to make that transition over to 1104 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.280 damn Neck without really getting kind of screwed over. 1105 01:03:57.840 --> 01:03:59.519 So you kind of missed that opportunity. 1106 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.079 What when did this thought come into your mind or 1107 01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:06.320 this realization that like, hey, there's this entire other endeavor 1108 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.519 out there in special operations that I could potentially go 1109 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:10.360 and assess for. 1110 01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:16.440 Yeah, I'm glad you riled me in Jack. It's that's 1111 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.519 a good point because I don't want to sound like 1112 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.719 someone guy who's making people jump off the channel right now. 1113 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:26.400 But when that happened, I had some good, good senior 1114 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.239 guys at the command at the team who had been 1115 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:34.559 over over to tow or to dam Nick and they said, hey, 1116 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.400 you know there's other places you can go, So just 1117 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.719 to give context and then I'll move I'll jump into that. 1118 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.360 Sure my second time after this deployment I'm talking about 1119 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:51.079 right now. This is my fourth deployment. Fifth. Actually, when 1120 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.159 I got back, it was like, hey, I went back 1121 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.840 to the command and they're like, yeah, you're in E six, 1122 01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:01.119 you're a korman. But here's the thing. If you go 1123 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.159 through Green Team, we're not going to cut you loose 1124 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:05.320 to go to eighteen delta because even though I was 1125 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:08.920 an id C, to get advanced, you know, you had 1126 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:10.960 to check the other blocks because you're competing against every 1127 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:14.480 other corman in this in this society, and said, we're 1128 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:18.760 gonna need our two years of of use before we 1129 01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:20.760 can you know, and they might put you off cycle 1130 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:23.400 for chief, right And and that's kind of like when 1131 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.039 I'm like, ah, you know, and they were, you know, 1132 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.400 they were like, you know, it's one thing to and 1133 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.159 you know how it is they like to grow their 1134 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.440 own h enlisted dudes before they become chief, because then 1135 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.119 you're a boat crew leader, you know, and if you've 1136 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:39.599 not cut your teeth on you know, a bunch of 1137 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:45.480 deployments as as a team got team member you know, 1138 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.880 a unit or a squad remember or troop troop member, 1139 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.840 then you know you're kind of like not you don't 1140 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.519 have the corporate knowledge to be troop chief. 1141 01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.639 So just out of curiosity, I don't mean to derail you, 1142 01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:05.239 but I'm curious, how did uh damnet deal with corman 1143 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:09.400 then at that time, because it's really hard to grow 1144 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:12.280 your own corman, especially since you can't really it's tough 1145 01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:15.199 to make East seven as a corman without I D 1146 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:17.159 C or whatever like, So how did they do that? 1147 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.360 How did they manage that? 1148 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:20.920 That's a good question, you know, And a lot of 1149 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:22.960 guys didn't care, you know. Some guys are like, hey, 1150 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.280 I want to be Assaulter, you know, So it didn't 1151 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:27.400 it didn't matter, so they. 1152 01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.079 Wouldn't compete for promotion in order to go damnac. 1153 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:35.400 Basically, I think I think you definitely got looked at 1154 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:40.000 differently by the because Navy. Why back then it was 1155 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.679 it was in the Navy chiefs, senior master chiefs, whatnot 1156 01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:51.400 who who picked people and for advancement to chief It 1157 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.719 still is, but but now we have our own special 1158 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.960 Operations Special Operator mls. So but so those guys, some 1159 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.480 of them would be like, yeah, it's going to be 1160 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.760 assalter I don't care. And then at some point someone 1161 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:04.280 would say, hey, you're you know you've been in a 1162 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:06.719 six too long. You need to go to Punch's ticket 1163 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:08.920 and get it. And you can, you know, because we 1164 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:10.440 want you to be a chief. We want you to 1165 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.920 be a leader. But back then it was just kind 1166 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.920 of it was in between the scene, kind of seams 1167 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.039 of advancement, so it was, you know, you had to 1168 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:23.159 kind of make your own decision on that. And yeah, 1169 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:25.559 I talked to some guys who told me about this 1170 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.360 unit back that time. It was called torn Victor that 1171 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.960 was its diagraph name or whatever you call it. And 1172 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:36.239 you know, they go back the union goes back to 1173 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:40.039 the uh what do. 1174 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.960 You call it, nineteen eighty operation eagle Claw? 1175 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:48.119 Eagle Claw exactly right, and uh even you know, some 1176 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:52.639 make the case back to the USS. So they told 1177 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.599 me about that, and up until that point they said, yeah, 1178 01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:57.360 if you go, because these are guys who were at 1179 01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.199 damn Neck and they knew about it because they worked 1180 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.480 with them. They said, you'd be you'd be a good 1181 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.280 fit up there. Blah blah blah. So I've made chief 1182 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:08.840 that year ninety eight, I went to soacon Or to 1183 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:14.239 soccer as a j thirty three chief ciliers on up there, 1184 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.079 and then found out and then I applied. I applied before, 1185 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:24.840 filled out a package for that for that smooth and UH. 1186 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:26.039 I thought I was going to come back to the 1187 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:29.720 team and be a platoon chief whatever, and they they 1188 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:36.279 selected me to go to assessment selection. So I went 1189 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.600 in ninety nine, early ninety nine, so March went out 1190 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:47.039 to UH went out to to Nevada and did the 1191 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:52.640 long walk and stuff and UH had a real good 1192 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.520 assessment selection got picked up by the By that at 1193 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.319 that time, there had only been one other seal who 1194 01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.399 was there before me. There was there'd been a couple 1195 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.199 of other guys, but they were of like liaison guys 1196 01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:09.319 or you know whatnot. So yeah, so ninety nine went 1197 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:13.159 to the went to the unit and did a year 1198 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:17.640 worth of what we call c Q c q T. 1199 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:24.079 You know, it's been called a bunch of different acronyms, 1200 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.720 but it's basically the you know, a year long trade 1201 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:32.880 craft slash stuff. So you it was a really I 1202 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:36.039 must say to this day, I love Buds. I loved 1203 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.720 everything about it. It was the hardest thing ever did 1204 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:46.359 at the time, but the assessment selection aspect of screening 1205 01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:51.920 for the for the unit was the most rewarding thing 1206 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:58.319 I've ever done, because you don't get any feedback on 1207 01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.279 any decision you make, you know, and a lot of 1208 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:04.239 people try to g to it, and you can tell 1209 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:06.479 g to it because I late years later, I ended 1210 01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.399 up being Cadre. Right, So you're you're that Wizard of 1211 01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:13.720 Oz guy behind the screen, right, you know how it 1212 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:18.560 all works, right, and then you you're able to see, 1213 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:22.000 you know, how people try to game it. You know 1214 01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.319 when they're when they are not. But yeah, it was, 1215 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:27.760 it was awesome. 1216 01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.960 Now, did you say that you were the first. 1217 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:35.960 This second seal, because they also know around that time 1218 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.920 that they started taking like rangers and they hadn't in 1219 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.399 the past. It was at the time had been sort 1220 01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.560 of kind of an SF pipeline or whatever pipeline. Do 1221 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.880 you know, did you ever get any insight into why 1222 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:53.680 this particular lesson you decided to like broaden the the 1223 01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:54.800 recruiting pool. 1224 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.880 That's a good question as to why they did. I 1225 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.720 think they realized that, you know, the Tenth Group Mafia 1226 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:09.199 was strong in UH in that unit for good reason. 1227 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.800 But but they also realized that they were having a 1228 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.880 hard time finding the right candidates just in the army, right, 1229 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.880 so they opened it up to the sister services and 1230 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.159 and you know, of course the leaps and bounds after 1231 01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.560 Desert Storm took off, I mean after UH nine to eleven, 1232 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:32.319 just you know a lot of Marines and and but rangers, yeah, 1233 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.760 they you know, and some of the best guys I 1234 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.560 worked with were former rangers or rangers still you know, 1235 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.359 at the unit whatnot. You could see the pedigree in 1236 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:47.760 the senior n CEO guys were rangers, so as Yeah, 1237 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.199 I'm gonna speculate on that, but I but I believe 1238 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.479 it was just kind of like Manning issue. They wanted 1239 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.640 to grow more more troops in the squadron they had, 1240 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:02.479 you know, they have various levels of capability, you know, 1241 01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:03.640 you know, and. 1242 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.319 It's it's interesting because we've also heard of another Army 1243 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:12.560 SMU that you know, used to recruit uh or like 1244 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:16.199 uh R D for instance, or RC that used to 1245 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.239 only recruit rangers and then started then made it like 1246 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.319 Army wide in the sense of, you know, sometimes the 1247 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:25.279 best people can come from places that we don't necessarily 1248 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.479 expect them to come from. 1249 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:32.680 Yeah, I think so, especially when you you know, you're 1250 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:37.359 dealing with frogmen, because we're pretty non plussed about a 1251 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:39.119 lot of things sometimes, you know what I mean, like, 1252 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.800 uh yeah, whatever, you know that kind of attitude and 1253 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.239 that could be misread, you know, like you don't care 1254 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:49.199 and uh right. 1255 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.199 I wanted I wanted to ask you about that, Drew, Like, 1256 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:54.800 what was it like for you coming from being a 1257 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.159 frogman to suddenly Leord and all this different types of 1258 01:12:57.239 --> 01:12:58.920 trade craft. I mean, it sounds like you had a 1259 01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.800 little bit of exposure to to Clint DestinE operations, but 1260 01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.840 moving into that and also moving from seal culture to 1261 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.199 Jason culture, was that sort of difficult or interesting to 1262 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:11.079 try to navigate that? 1263 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:17.079 Yeah, so that's a great question. I felt like, you know, 1264 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.880 I was always this is the story of my life. 1265 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.399 I'm always the older guy, the guy who comes in late, 1266 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.239 the guy who learns things differently. But I've also have 1267 01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:32.680 a different level of life experience. So you know that 1268 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:34.960 that is a plus and a minus. A lot of 1269 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:39.560 times from a perception point of view, it can be 1270 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.720 being negative because people think you just you know, you 1271 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:44.680 come across as and know it all. But but I 1272 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.760 was also a criminal at heart, right, I mean a 1273 01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.159 lot of the things I did before I joined the 1274 01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:52.479 Navy were survival mode stuff, right, you know, just getting 1275 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:57.600 getting by. So when I got to the unit, it 1276 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:01.720 was still it wasn't a JAS unit or jsuck smooth. 1277 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:06.760 Then it became one shortly thereafter for a number of reasons. 1278 01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:12.039 But definitely had to adapt to a strong army culture. 1279 01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:14.279 But this is a very unique army culture right right, 1280 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.560 and a long history of things that the country doesn't 1281 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.000 even know about what they did, and the you know, 1282 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.399 great men and women. I mean, I'm not talking about 1283 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:31.760 just men. There's some awesome, stellar operator women who've gone 1284 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.920 through that whole pipeline who've done amazing things. But to 1285 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:39.800 your question, I guess I did have to adapt to that. 1286 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:44.319 And then when you realize that, suddenly you were an 1287 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:48.279 asset and everybody wanted your opinion except for the fact 1288 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:52.680 it was an army manned unit. When it came to advancement, 1289 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.199 like I many times was the de facto troop chief 1290 01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:03.199 or troop sergeant major, uh for for whatever reason. But 1291 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:05.079 I'm never going to get selected to be the troop 1292 01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:07.840 Stargeant major because it's an eighteen series billet. It's an 1293 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.800 eighteen X ray billet. Oh wow, right, okay, yeah, now 1294 01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:15.319 that might have changed for our years, and I imagine 1295 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.560 it has, but you know, that's kind of one of 1296 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:21.079 the things you have to wrestle with. But the good 1297 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.840 side of the the upside to it was to go there, 1298 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:32.640 you go to your actually covered under a different place 1299 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:37.000 in the Navy. Right, So when it came to advancement, 1300 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:39.560 I was one of one all the time, and all 1301 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:43.119 my oe R s or fit reps were signed by Cno. 1302 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.319 I mean almost, I want, I almost busted them out 1303 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.159 because it's hilarious to read him. You know, you know, 1304 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:53.840 Admiral Mullen, Admiral this admiral that you know, promote this guy, 1305 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.520 you know, blah blah blah, make him an officer, all 1306 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:58.039 this kind of stuff. So, you know, was the time 1307 01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.319 I was a chief that I made senior chief there eight. 1308 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.239 So on the inside baseball part, I didn't have any 1309 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:10.800 problem for advancement. It's just, you know, you kind of 1310 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.279 discount that because it doesn't really matter when you're when 1311 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.800 you're at a tier one element, a tier one organization, 1312 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.920 it's about performing, right, you know. It's it's not like 1313 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:22.960 I need to bank rank too, so I can you know, 1314 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:26.960 teach people how to blost their freaking pants or something 1315 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.279 like that. It's it's you just want to operate, right, okay. 1316 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:34.600 And the thing is is that, honestly, like getting getting 1317 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:35.800 it promoted. 1318 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:39.560 Is almost like a detriment to that because it has 1319 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.720 the possibility of taking you out of that operational status. 1320 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.239 Absolutely and and the the army guys in particular had to. 1321 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:48.640 Deal with that, right because of the upper out type 1322 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:49.880 of stuff and everything else. 1323 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:54.399 Yeah, now what what you know they fixed that for 1324 01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:57.279 those guys because they would rotate out puns their ticket 1325 01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:01.000 as a fifth group, you know, sergeant major come back, 1326 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:06.399 you know, be the S three or Army in the whatever. Yeah, yeah, 1327 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:10.439 so you're you know, you're cycling that you're you're taking 1328 01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:14.520 care of your troops. Well uh yeah, so the army guys, 1329 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:15.760 you know, they had to deal with that. But but 1330 01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.560 once you're in, you're in. You know, you you just 1331 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:22.920 come back. And and interestingly, if I were to name 1332 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:29.039 names in the Army right now, uh, all the key 1333 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:33.760 leader g os or a big handful of them or 1334 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.239 guys that I worked with, right I went through CTQC 1335 01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:44.079 with or or deploy with, you know, and uh, there's 1336 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.000 a reason why those guys are leading you know, two 1337 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.079 stars and three stars. 1338 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:50.840 So you you assessed the ninety nine. 1339 01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:55.840 I go through your training pipeline for a year plus, 1340 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:59.880 and I would like to ask you the question that 1341 01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:04.039 I mean, I think so many people went through. I 1342 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:06.840 assume you were probably focused on the Bulkans again even 1343 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:07.840 though you were in Jaysack. 1344 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.279 You correct me if I'm wrong. 1345 01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:11.720 I was wondering if you could talk a little bit 1346 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:15.479 about that and then how things changed when nine to 1347 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:19.399 eleven happened, how that changed the as far as what 1348 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.159 you can say about operations, and also the culture, the 1349 01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:24.079 orientation of the unit. 1350 01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.199 And how that changed after September eleventh. 1351 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.279 You know, first of all, I want to say, Jack, 1352 01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:33.439 you're awesome. You recognize I got a d D and 1353 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.520 OCD at some time, so I appreciate you been doing 1354 01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:41.640 this for a while. Again on track here, but yeah, okay, 1355 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:46.560 great question. And so again to be fair, to be accurate, 1356 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.600 prior to nine to eleven, we weren't we were still 1357 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:58.680 an army smooth okay, sap. I mean it's I'm not 1358 01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:03.359 going to say any more than that. But the riding 1359 01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:09.319 was on the wall, okay. And I'm trying to remember 1360 01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:14.000 the the order, whether the other commands created their own 1361 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:16.800 counterpart to what we were doing, you know, I'm talking 1362 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:21.680 to the other squadrons. Yeah, each each particular Tier one 1363 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:22.640 unit created. 1364 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:28.279 Their own everybody. Everybody said yeah, and that's the thing. 1365 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.119 Everybody said they could do it. And I remember going 1366 01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.800 down to damn neck me and and and the other 1367 01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:36.880 guy who's you know, senior to me. They were steal 1368 01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:40.840 and we're like, hey, and Mike, you know the master 1369 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:43.920 a chief for that squadron. You know, he was my 1370 01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:49.520 honor man and in my Budds class, and was saying, look, dude, 1371 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.279 we can tell you how to do this so you 1372 01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:54.239 don't make the same mistakes, you know when it comes 1373 01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:58.000 to all these other things you got to do, approvals, docs, covers, 1374 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.279 all that kind of stuff, you know, in typical fashion 1375 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:03.800 like yeah, we got it, but don't your help. Yeah, 1376 01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.119 even though they were receptive, it was what it was. 1377 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:08.920 But so it was an army unit manned by jointly 1378 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:12.600 manned and as far as the Balkans go. So I 1379 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.720 get out of our advance, our our pipeline training. And 1380 01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.039 this is this is an interesting little side note. So 1381 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:22.039 we started out with twenty two dudes, twenty two people 1382 01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:25.920 because they weren't all dudes and at the end there 1383 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:30.039 was ten. We go to the board. I'd had a 1384 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.680 really good final exercise, I thought, and you probably know 1385 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.239 what I'm talking about. We do real world stuff. I mean, 1386 01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.399 just the best training in the world, the best exercises, 1387 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.319 the most realistic stuff. And I went to the board 1388 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:51.079 and they cut They murdered five people right there at 1389 01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:55.479 the boards. And I would have been number six because 1390 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:57.479 I go into the in the room and they're all like, yeah, 1391 01:20:57.560 --> 01:20:59.520 they did run down the list of stuff and we 1392 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.319 we just don't think and you did this and that 1393 01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:04.680 good and blah blah blah. And see right before that, 1394 01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:06.560 my fact was telling me like to hey, you just 1395 01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:08.720 keep doing what you're doing. You're great, You're fine, Everything's 1396 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.720 be fine. So I'm like, okay, I got one little 1397 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:17.800 exercise left, you know, chill. Go to the board and 1398 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.359 uh They're like yeah, but we're just not sure that 1399 01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:26.600 you're suitable for the Okay, I got it, walked out 1400 01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.960 and uh so I would have been number six. But 1401 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:32.079 then the uh command start, a major comes out and 1402 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.199 he goes I for a bit and he said like, hey, 1403 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:36.960 they just don't they think you, you know, they don't 1404 01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:42.880 understand your meant you know your affect. They think you're like, 1405 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:44.680 like you don't give a fuck, like I don't give 1406 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.439 a fuck exactly. In fact, at one point they said, 1407 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:52.920 at some point during the actual course, it's like, hey, man, 1408 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:55.279 if you if you don't like it here, we can 1409 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.479 just send you back to seal teams. I'm like, dude, 1410 01:21:58.039 --> 01:21:59.760 send me the funk back to the seal teams. I 1411 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.079 did for fourteen years. I loved every fucking day I 1412 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:04.079 went to work. It didn't matter how hungover I was. 1413 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:08.560 I loved my job. Okay, go right ahead, you feel froggy, jump, 1414 01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:11.279 send me back. I don't care. But you know, you 1415 01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:12.800 know it was a little more frank than that. But 1416 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.600 uh yeah, so it was like, oh, threaten me with 1417 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.159 sending me back to something I like to do right right, 1418 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:20.760 But you know, he said, hey, you know I'm gonna 1419 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:23.600 you know anyway, long story short, Uh, you know, he 1420 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:29.000 basically had the overriding the vote, and I'm glad he did. 1421 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:30.319 You know, if I said his name, you probably know 1422 01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:31.520 who it was. I just don't want to do it. 1423 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:36.079 Sure he ended up being Jason Sorry major. 1424 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:37.880 But that's interesting that he kind of saw through that, 1425 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.119 like this is just a super laid back guy, but 1426 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:42.199 he has his ship under control. 1427 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.159 Yeah, there's this one. There's this one exercise they do 1428 01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:48.319 all the time when you're out out west and you're 1429 01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:49.920 you know, they bring into this room, you sit in 1430 01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:55.319 a chair and then you know, they gotta you shoe 1431 01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.920 what do you call it? Horseshoe shaped layout of everybody 1432 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:03.079 and they ask you, hey, go rank these five priorities, 1433 01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:07.279 you know, family, God, country, unit, whatever, right, and you 1434 01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:12.640 do it and then they tear India about what your 1435 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.079 priorities were, and it's there's no right answer, right, It's 1436 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.399 like how much you believe what you're what you believe, 1437 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.560 you know. And that was the same kind of carried 1438 01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:24.079 over to the end, you know, the board, the final thing. 1439 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:26.359 But but I but I knew my work was good. 1440 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:28.920 So anyway, I don't want to sound like a bragging 1441 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:34.439 but fortunately for me, he was there, uh and and 1442 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:39.199 and it all worked out. Now that's ninety nine and 1443 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:44.039 we're full board, going looking for you know, Jaysock, Blue 1444 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:48.760 and Green are and O g A are over in 1445 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:53.319 the Balkans hunting person's indicted for war crimes. You know, 1446 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:58.279 Karate and Melisavich and all their minions and so we 1447 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.399 immediately started deploying over there, and I did, like I 1448 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:04.640 think I did four deployments over there from varying degrees 1449 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.279 of sixty days, ninety days, you know, ninety nine, two thousand, 1450 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.399 and that was awesome. I mean, that was just like 1451 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:18.439 the most fun stuff. You know, you're running around doing 1452 01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:27.000 tech stuff, doing surveillance. Just I'm sure your partner can 1453 01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:29.439 talk more about that, if he knows more about that. 1454 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:30.680 Well. 1455 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:32.239 I mean, we've had a number of people on the 1456 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.760 show who've been over to the Balkans hunting war criminals 1457 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:38.760 at this point, and yeah, it's fascinating. 1458 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.199 Sounds like you were living the life Drew. 1459 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:43.239 Yeah, it was, it was It was cool. I mean, 1460 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:44.800 I wish I could go into like kind of details. 1461 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:49.439 I mean, I will say this one this one day, 1462 01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:54.399 so some of the guys that I were at my 1463 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.119 team and Team two that were my counterparts, went over 1464 01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.880 to Damn Neck and one of them was uh Neil Roberts, 1465 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:10.079 you know Roberts Ridge and Operation and Anaconda, and I'm 1466 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.720 I'm over there with the unit doing doing stuff and 1467 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:22.079 and uh uh a bunch of guys from Red Red 1468 01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.920 Squadron came over and they had just come back from there, 1469 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:31.720 and they were the the unit, the team that was 1470 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.960 going to like do the hits, you know, go round 1471 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:38.600 up dudes. And one of them was Goodie, you know, 1472 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:48.359 Goodie Kay Yeah, I mean I know you yeah, Okay. Anyway, 1473 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.279 those guys, you know, were awesome. So it was getting 1474 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:53.760 ready time for me to rotate out. And we had 1475 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.560 a bunch of cars and we just got this new 1476 01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:01.439 Audi A eight and right, and I was like, oh, 1477 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:03.760 I wanted to drive that thing. So I said, hey, 1478 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:05.640 I'm gonna I'm gonna take the AA out. I'm gonna 1479 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:07.760 see if I can set the record to whatever that 1480 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:12.640 town was in Cerbska, and I did zoom, you know, 1481 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.880 full full speed, blowing through checkpoints and everything, get there 1482 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:18.119 in like fifty five minutes. It's normally an hour and 1483 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.960 forty five minute drive or whatever it was, right, And 1484 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.520 I remember driving through town, cruising through town, past the 1485 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.439 Italians or or the Dutch or whoever they were, and 1486 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:28.239 I look over the right and I see this car 1487 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:31.359 as BMW, a red BMW, sitting in a driveway and 1488 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:37.279 there's someone out there barbecuing. And I called back, I said, hey, 1489 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:42.199 you know, you know, texting is uh you know what 1490 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:46.119 kind of car does Joe drive? He drives a red 1491 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.800 I said, you know, oh, okay, is it you know, 1492 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:54.119 license plate blah blah blah. It turns out I accidentally 1493 01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:59.239 found this one guy. Yeah, that was they we were 1494 01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:03.880 looking for and passed it on p I d D them. 1495 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:06.279 They came, we came back, I came back. And then 1496 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:08.560 it turned out that those guys ended up going and 1497 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.479 getting them. And it's kind of one of those Oh yeah, 1498 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:14.640 they set up with you know, they had a set 1499 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.199 up a place and you know, it's it's a classic 1500 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:20.079 story where they wait for it because he washed his 1501 01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:24.439 car every Sunday right in his driveway and and so 1502 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:26.279 they just rolled up one day and with a van 1503 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:28.920 and and did the did the thing, you know, punch 1504 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:31.600 some punch some in mouth through in the van. Black 1505 01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:33.560 hood over the head. Yeah, I don't even know if 1506 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:35.119 there's a black hood. I don't think they even gave them. 1507 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:36.319 You know, they didn't even give the ship. You know, 1508 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:39.439 like the disrupted this family barbecue and took this guy 1509 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:43.199 off the street. And I always thought that was pretty satisfying. Yeah, 1510 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:47.039 just like again, luck, total total luck, right, But that 1511 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:50.119 we did a lot of really fun cool things that that, 1512 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.560 you know, we we performed instead of having surrogates to 1513 01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:59.279 it or whatever. Very satisfying. I went out after that. 1514 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:01.800 I went out to the Bundle of course, Tanne Bundle 1515 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:05.800 course out and out West and Tucson and Mariana and 1516 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:07.119 well that. 1517 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:08.640 Must have been a gas of a time. I mean 1518 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.920 it's like a six hundred pounds bundle, right. 1519 01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:15.399 Yeah, yeah, we were jumping. They were doing everything. Motorcycles, 1520 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:20.079 cruise boxes, you know, sono tubes, you know those things 1521 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.159 full of like you see, full of kit. You know 1522 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:25.640 they've gotten it, they made it, you know. You so 1523 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.399 you're a tandem monder muster when you get out. But 1524 01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.439 but here's here's the cool thing about nine to eleven 1525 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:35.960 if you want to know, so me and a buddy 1526 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.199 back up to ninety. This is gonna be the year 1527 01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:44.119 two thousand. We go down to this course and we 1528 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.359 got invited by our cousins to say, hey, if you 1529 01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:48.880 want to go to this course where we got, uh, 1530 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:50.720 where you can learn all these boats, different kind of 1531 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:57.119 boats and different kinds of diving, and you can come 1532 01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:00.199 down here and and uh take this course. It was 1533 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.359 a month long, so we learned all kinds of different 1534 01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:08.000 similar vessel driving and and whatnot. And and then you 1535 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:10.239 mix trade crafting with that, so you're using you know, 1536 01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:12.159 you're learning how to do that. And and then we 1537 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.520 did mixed gas diving. Get her little certificate. You know, 1538 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.880 I made a little diver card so we you know, 1539 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:23.039 we could do any kind of mixed gas diving and whatnot. 1540 01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:25.279 And so I made friends with these guys that were 1541 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:27.520 down there, and later on there they invited me up 1542 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:33.520 to this barbecue up and up in Arlington and we're 1543 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.560 sitting outside. You know, you know if I said their names, 1544 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:40.119 I mean, I know you know them. But one thing 1545 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:44.680 led to another, and Mick, who's there at the time, yeah, 1546 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:51.880 Mo as well as Thomas is the last n Anyway, 1547 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.600 they're like, hey, we're getting ready to go do this thing, 1548 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:03.640 this thing called the Nile right in Iraq, and we're 1549 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:07.760 gonna we're taking these Tenth Group guys and Pilot team dudes, 1550 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:12.880 and we got we got extra slots. You know, what 1551 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:14.640 do you think you want to come? You want to 1552 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.199 do it for us? I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that 1553 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:19.359 sounds good. You know what's his name? Who's the famous 1554 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:25.159 CIA guy who wrote the books uh, before that about 1555 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:28.600 that they made Curproco not Curproco. 1556 01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:34.439 Anyway, you talked about like like like Bob Bear, Bob Bear, 1557 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:39.560 Bob Beart was like one of the legacy guys who 1558 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:41.239 rotated in and did that stuff priory. 1559 01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.680 But it kind of I don't know the actual you know, 1560 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.920 timeline of of whatnot. But but by this time it 1561 01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:54.640 was after nine to eleven, it was game on. You know, 1562 01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:57.640 things were going to happen. So you know, I kind 1563 01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.039 of skip past nine eleven because I don't even to 1564 01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:06.239 talk about there if you know, but sure the just 1565 01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:09.880 realize I need to plug in power here if you can, 1566 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.960 we take a real short break as. 1567 01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.720 Absolutely, Hey, everybody, please shook out our Patreon. It's listed 1568 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:20.079 in the link or underneath the thing. We just moved 1569 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.640 into new studio. We still drink a lot, and we 1570 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:25.399 could really use your money to to pay the rent. 1571 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:29.600 And I'll just take that segue to say that we 1572 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:33.239 really appreciate all of you who support the channel in 1573 01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:37.159 various different ways, and we have to, like Dave said, 1574 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:38.680 we just moved into this new studio. 1575 01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:40.279 We got really big plans for it. 1576 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:43.760 We're in a much better place here and it's because 1577 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:46.640 of you guys. Literally, it's a safe space. It's a 1578 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:49.479 safe space sa for Brose to drink some scotch. 1579 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:54.600 And even if you know you don't contribute to our Patreon, 1580 01:31:54.640 --> 01:32:00.680 please subscribe to our channel YouTube channel like the video 1581 01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.800 and get your LARTs and share our videos when you can. 1582 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.279 It really helps us out. We have just hit fifty 1583 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:10.000 thousand subscribers, which is really a milestone for us. 1584 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:14.079 And if you subscribe to the patreon, you get access 1585 01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:17.199 to bonus episodes that we do, and also you'll get 1586 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:20.039 access to all these episodes ad free. So like if 1587 01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:22.560 you listen to the podcast or you watch this on YouTube, 1588 01:32:22.600 --> 01:32:25.920 you will see some ads. If you're subscribing to the Patreon, 1589 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.439 you'll get the episodes completely at of free. 1590 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:33.079 So when we're at ten thousand subcribers, we actually shaved 1591 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:36.920 Jack's head during an episode. We said it fifty thousand 1592 01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:40.079 my COVID bullet. We would do costplays. 1593 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:43.079 Now we realize at this point that doing cosplay during 1594 01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:47.000 an episode would kind of be insulting to our actual guests. 1595 01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:50.800 But I don't know, man, I mean maybe we gonna 1596 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:54.199 be talked into like getting done up for a bonus 1597 01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.239 episode on the Patreon and only if your Patreon subscriber, 1598 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.720 can you see Jack and I cosplay. 1599 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:02.479 Maybe that'll happen. I don't know. 1600 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:05.720 Well, Comic Con is coming up in October, right, it 1601 01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:10.479 is Comic Con every year October. Yeah. We I took 1602 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.920 Jack to his first comic con. Shit, yeah, my first 1603 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.680 New York Comic Con. First New York Comic Con. That 1604 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:21.600 was a fun time. So anyway, and welcome. 1605 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:25.560 Back next next I'll also tease next episode if you 1606 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:28.119 want to grab that book behind you there, Dave Chris 1607 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:32.399 Cox fire Force. Chris served in the Rhodesian Light Infantry 1608 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:34.319 and he wrote this book fire Force. He's going to 1609 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:37.159 be on next week's episode. I've read a lot of 1610 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.680 war memoirs. This is one of the better ones. It's 1611 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:47.479 incredibly well written in just horrific and terrifying account of war. 1612 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:50.720 If you haven't read this book, I highly suggest you 1613 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.039 guys go and check it out. So we'll have Chris 1614 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:57.600 on next week's episode. So Chris Cox, fire Force, One 1615 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.840 Man's War in the Rhodesion Light Infantry. Suggest you guys 1616 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:01.920 go and check this book out? 1617 01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:04.720 True? How are we looking? 1618 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:07.920 Can you guys here them? Yeah? 1619 01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:08.680 Yeah, we hear you. 1620 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.479 Okay, technical difficulty on my end. Can you see me? 1621 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:15.239 Yea, yeah, we got you a lot and clear. 1622 01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:23.359 Okay, Lima, Charlie, you got here. Okay. 1623 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.840 Before we go any further, I just want to say 1624 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.680 that I was a Navy corman. I was a dive medtech. 1625 01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:34.199 So I was a corman in the dive community. I 1626 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:38.279 feel your pain when it came to promotions in in 1627 01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:42.039 a in a specialized field with when you had to 1628 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.479 compete against corman worldwide. I feel your pain. 1629 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.000 Well, that makes you feel a lot better, to be 1630 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:53.920 honest with you, So I think by having I'm having 1631 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:55.439 an issue with zoom on my end. 1632 01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:58.520 We see you like, yeah, yeah, it's all good on 1633 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:02.600 our end. D did you do something break yourself? 1634 01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:08.359 Hang on? That's a little attractive, isn't it. 1635 01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:14.159 Uh well, yeah, what what what's the issue? Because it 1636 01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:15.600 all looks good on our end here. 1637 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:20.560 Yeah, it's it's I plugged into power and and uh 1638 01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:24.079 I think I'm okay, okay, can we continue? I might 1639 01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.720 I just see the split screen anymore because I might 1640 01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:30.399 have just connected from my version of the zoom. 1641 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:33.359 So okay, oh well, we see you, we hear you. 1642 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:37.399 So let's uh, well, if you could jump back into it. 1643 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.960 Pick up, pick up, pick up your story. 1644 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:42.439 Yeah, I fixed it. 1645 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:44.079 Okay, great, I'm not. 1646 01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:47.439 All apped up. Thanks for thanks for coming from me. 1647 01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:48.159 Yeah, no worries. 1648 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.439 All right? Where were you? What am I? 1649 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:54.479 You were talking about? After nine to eleven? You were 1650 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.239 talking to Mulroy. He was saying that there's this thing 1651 01:35:57.319 --> 01:35:58.000 popping off? 1652 01:35:58.079 --> 01:35:59.840 Do you want to get in on that? 1653 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:08.319 Well, because we had a really good relationship with with 1654 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:12.279 our cousins, our unit died, we were re all tight. 1655 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:17.840 He told me about it. They gave me the details, 1656 01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:19.319 They told me who to talk and everything. So I 1657 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:21.960 ended up scribbling it down like a piece of paper, 1658 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.479 some numbers and names, and I remember going. I went 1659 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.840 back to the to the to the command, to the unit, 1660 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:34.840 and a friend of mine who's now in charge of 1661 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:44.560 the Death Star. He was one of my h teammates, 1662 01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:47.199 but he was also the squadron commander at the time, 1663 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:53.039 and I said, hey, sir, here you think of this? 1664 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:54.920 I want to do this. They they're asking us if 1665 01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:57.359 we want to do it. We want to be part 1666 01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:01.279 of this going in before war the War one in 1667 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:06.399 two thousand and two, Right and long story, short phone 1668 01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:12.119 calls were made relationship. You know, things were vetted and 1669 01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:19.279 that's the reason why our unit got into ah, the 1670 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:24.560 AFO mission, into the into the the deal before. You know, 1671 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:26.800 we are part of the Nole team. We went in 1672 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:31.439 in October of two thousand and two and it started 1673 01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:36.279 doing Ope AFO whatever you want to call it, and uh, 1674 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:41.920 it was just again you know, God loves freaking progament 1675 01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:48.399 and Lucky right place, right time. Uh. The rest is 1676 01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:52.000 kind of history is so that's how we actually got 1677 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.399 into the whole war before. 1678 01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:57.840 And your your story intersects with some of our previous guests. 1679 01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:01.880 You brought up Nick March with tenth Group was out there. 1680 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:06.439 Who else have we interviewed? Uh, Sam Fattis was out there. 1681 01:38:06.920 --> 01:38:08.800 I think we've interviewed a number of people who are 1682 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:12.920 who are out on that that initial uh you know OPE. 1683 01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:14.239 Mission into northern Iraq. 1684 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:17.039 Could you tell us about how that went from your 1685 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.119 point of view as far as like infiltration and then 1686 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.239 what the operation, what what the mission was like? 1687 01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:29.800 Yeah, sorry, I'm getting myself on Yeah, no worries. Yeah. 1688 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:36.560 So so we had a really interesting journey over there 1689 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:40.399 to Turkey and then into the and our whole thought 1690 01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.159 process was we're going to be the the gateway for 1691 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:46.039 the Northern front. We're going to set the conditions to 1692 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.920 the collection f O O P for fourth I D 1693 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:55.479 I was gonna come in through the north. Of course, 1694 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:57.479 we know that we got the heismand they got the 1695 01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:02.039 heismand from Turkey they didn't happen. It ended up being 1696 01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:04.239 that it was us, you know, us and the Kurds 1697 01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:09.119 and Tenth Group, which you know had a role in 1698 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:14.439 the initial invasion anyways, but they ended up taking a 1699 01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:16.880 bigger piece of the pie because that was it, you know. 1700 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:18.680 And then of course we all know about Viking Hammer, 1701 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:22.119 which what those guys did, we did actually planned it. 1702 01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.359 It was uncle Uncle Andy and some other nick and 1703 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:29.039 some other guys along with you know, and then the 1704 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.239 Tenth Group guys came in and fine tuned to their 1705 01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:37.199 order of battle. But it just, uh, it was It 1706 01:39:37.239 --> 01:39:39.239 was a good time because for three months we were 1707 01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:43.800 let's see November, December, October and nover in December of 1708 01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:45.479 two thousand and two, we were in there by ourself 1709 01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:49.359 running around doing ricons. I mean I ended up lasing 1710 01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:52.680 sixty two dimpies for that wow, not just myself, but. 1711 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:57.680 You know, sure it was you know, but like Layson 1712 01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:02.239 to get grids or laser for air strikes for uh, tomahawks. 1713 01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:02.600 Yeah. 1714 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.199 Yeah, oh so when they when they fired those cruise missiles. 1715 01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:08.239 Mark talked about that when we had him on here. 1716 01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:10.119 It was like what they fired like one hundred and 1717 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:11.359 twenty tomahawks that night. 1718 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:19.880 Yeah, so the twenty eighth or whatever it was. Yeah, 1719 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:27.479 so there was sixty two tomahawks fired at least sixty 1720 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:31.840 something like two three four whatever. They were launched from subs, 1721 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:35.960 ships and whatnot. And it was just it was just 1722 01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:38.279 most awesome because we were at this ford little place 1723 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:41.039 that Mark point talks talks about too. I can't remember 1724 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:43.800 the name of it, but and it was like this 1725 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:48.760 light show. You get jets flying over, but they weren't jets, 1726 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:52.439 they were you know, tomahawks. And then we just watch 1727 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:57.039 him hit and and just waylaid all these all these targets. 1728 01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.760 And then then within a day or two after that, 1729 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:06.520 we let's see, the tenth group might have already been in. Yeah, 1730 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:09.720 they were, they were already in, and we had planned 1731 01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:13.479 the four prongs for Biking Hammer and then we launched 1732 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.960 that assault afterwards. But prior to that, we also had 1733 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:24.239 this CCT guy. The true hero of the whole Viking 1734 01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:29.880 Hammer thing was was the Air Force CCT slash come 1735 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:36.399 back controller guys. They just were like composers of an orchestra. 1736 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:39.960 Was amazing. Like when we did our assault on Viking Hammer, 1737 01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:47.760 we'll call this guy Jack. He he had aircraft stacked 1738 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:53.199 up like loss like la x yeah from you prior 1739 01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:56.800 heard the story and it was poetry emotion. 1740 01:41:57.279 --> 01:42:01.079 We we have talked about the talent of j tax 1741 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:06.920 As CCT guys before and how they are operating at 1742 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:10.840 a level that most of us can't possibly understand, controlling 1743 01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:14.000 so many different assets at a time and being able 1744 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:19.800 to guide them on like calmly, coolly collectively just. 1745 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:24.640 Like rolling in asset like. It's just amazing to see 1746 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:25.199 them in action. 1747 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.640 So for folks out there who haven't watched those previous 1748 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:31.880 episodes we've done, I hope they will. But Viking Hammer 1749 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.920 was an operation between US Special ops and the Kurdish 1750 01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:40.680 Peeshmerga to go and fight Onsar Islam in northern Iraq 1751 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:43.680 in two thousand and three. There are Islamic terrorist organization. 1752 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:47.439 The fear was that this terrorist organization could kind of 1753 01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.680 bog down our invasion of Iraq, so we had to 1754 01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.920 have kind of a northern front in that conflict during 1755 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:59.800 the invasion, Drew, could you tell us a little bit 1756 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:01.720 of out what you did. You sent me some pretty 1757 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:04.119 cool pictures actually of you out there in the field 1758 01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:06.359 with the peshe Murga. Can you tell us a little 1759 01:43:06.359 --> 01:43:08.159 bit about what your role was and what you were 1760 01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:10.079 helping facilitate at that time. 1761 01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:15.159 Yeah, So it was broken up by I wish I 1762 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:18.680 knew the actual order battle for tenth group, so I 1763 01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:21.560 don't want to misrepresent that, but it was evenly divided 1764 01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:25.840 amongst the was it one O three or one or 1765 01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:31.359 two Toto's battalion and the s F guys and then 1766 01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:37.479 various levels of Peshmerga and myself like a counterpart of 1767 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:40.640 mine and a combat controller. And I was paired up 1768 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:44.640 with UH, with Baffel no No, with jelal No. 1769 01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:49.039 Uh. 1770 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:55.000 There there was uh Palant Talabani Talabani horror. 1771 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:56.840 Well sure, yeah. 1772 01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:01.479 Yeah, he he became the intelligence chief, I believe. 1773 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:04.159 Yeah, yeah, So I was spreed up with him UH 1774 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:08.560 and Jack and I and we were on the yellow 1775 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:10.800 or green prong. I forgot, but we ended up being 1776 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:13.279 with the guys the snipers from tenth group that were 1777 01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:16.720 taking out. They did some great stuff with the with 1778 01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:17.560 the Bearents. 1779 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.279 What's that with the fifty cows. 1780 01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:24.119 Yeah, with the Barts. Yeah. In fact, I think one 1781 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.479 of the pictures I essentially that was taken from that 1782 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:32.800 was that day that both of those were. But yeah, 1783 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:35.560 so we we fought our way uphill through you know, 1784 01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:38.680 we had we had pulverized a bunch of positions with 1785 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:41.960 AC went thirties the night before h fought our way uphill. 1786 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:45.159 We're taking effective fire. And and the thing that struck 1787 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:49.119 me about that whole thing was these s R s 1788 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:55.079 lam were clearly not just some forgive my terminology, raghead, 1789 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:58.439 you know, just amateurs. These people were they were trained, right, Yeah, 1790 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:03.560 they actually had defense and Depth center. So as they 1791 01:45:03.960 --> 01:45:06.359 they knew, you know, gradually, you know, obviously we're going 1792 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:08.399 to buy out our way uphill. So they would just 1793 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:13.640 leap brought back to fortified positions where they had weapons, and. 1794 01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:16.079 It was suspected they had a chemical weapons facility in 1795 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:17.239 that valley, right. 1796 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:23.319 Yeah, exactly. So kerml H was a suspected weapons chemical 1797 01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:26.680 weapons facility, and that just we just pummeled that with 1798 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.479 twenty or thirty freaking tom hawks. But I'll leave that 1799 01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:33.920 up to historians to decide what it was interesting things 1800 01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:37.720 found me, let's put it down. Yeah, as we fought 1801 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.720 our way uphill, these guys lead brought back and then 1802 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:42.760 they would rain down scuning on us, and and uh 1803 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:46.560 we had to call in closer our support. And I 1804 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:51.520 distinctly remember this one episode where we had navy pilots 1805 01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:55.479 off of Roosevelt or something. There was a female and 1806 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:58.720 Jack's talking to her and she dropped her bombs and 1807 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:01.640 then He's like, I need you to do some straping 1808 01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:04.720 runs along this ridge line. And so the ridge line 1809 01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:07.399 essentially on the other side of it was I ran right. 1810 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.920 So she came in and just freaking lights gun in 1811 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:14.880 on him, took out some machine gun positions, and we 1812 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:19.079 were able to advance forward. Yeah, but it was interesting 1813 01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:20.800 to get shot at all day long? 1814 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.359 And what was it like working amongst like not everybody 1815 01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:30.920 had the same You work with different elements, and not 1816 01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:35.199 everybody had the same sort of actions on type of maneuver, right, 1817 01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:38.479 not everybody had this some sort of TTPs when it 1818 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.399 came to maneuver and fire. What was it like working 1819 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:43.920 with a disparate group in an actual firefight when you're 1820 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:46.039 moving towards target and trying to like. 1821 01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:48.239 Coordinate that. 1822 01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:54.359 Yeah, I got this great picture of Lahore, I know, 1823 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:55.359 butcher in his name. 1824 01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:58.920 Yeah, I'm sorry, I probably did too. Was sure. 1825 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:06.439 Buffs brother basically, And and so it's like, hey, you 1826 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:08.680 know it was a bomb rush with the Kurds but 1827 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:11.239 the SF guys and I don't know how it worked out, 1828 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:13.119 but it just it just worked. You know, we just 1829 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:17.039 you know, we passed the past the you know, we 1830 01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:21.279 leap frog up to you know, some some cover and 1831 01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:25.560 and you know, those guys were charged up, the Curds 1832 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:32.399 were charged up, and commands were passed and but but 1833 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:36.680 the game changers were the air cover and the tests. 1834 01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:39.640 I mean, I was I was so frustrated that day 1835 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.239 because I decided because I had brought my SR twenty 1836 01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:45.399 five with me, and I was like, I want to 1837 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:50.760 hope this fucking apples and uh, all these these magazines 1838 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:53.279 and whatnot, or I'll just take my end for right, 1839 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.079 And I regretted it to this day. It's like, because 1840 01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:59.479 that was shoot, I was like lobbing shots at these 1841 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:03.039 guys four hundred and five hundred meters away, right, having 1842 01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:10.239 it like you know, Kentucky. Yeah, yeah, and and of 1843 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:12.680 course we're fighting uphill. So it's like at some point 1844 01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:15.039 I was like carrying a bunch of shit. So I 1845 01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:18.039 took my rear played out and just you know, toss 1846 01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:22.520 it on the ground and get it later. So but yeah, 1847 01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:25.720 to this day, I was like, never go anywhere without 1848 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:27.760 a seven six two rifle in the open. 1849 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:30.399 You know, it's funny because we were just talking about 1850 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:32.439 the sr AT lunch to that. We were just talking 1851 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:35.159 about it today and like my experience of it in 1852 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.199 the late nineties, it didn't have a ford Assistan at 1853 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:39.600 the time. I don't know if that changed, and I 1854 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:41.079 fucking hated it because of that. 1855 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.520 You know, I'll be honest with you. I you know, 1856 01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:47.600 like everybody else, I knew it was a sniper. I wasn't, 1857 01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:50.159 but I was. I'm a real good shot, or was 1858 01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:53.560 back then. And I let me put this, I got 1859 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:57.199 a Jerry Barnhardt sure hat oh kice. 1860 01:48:57.520 --> 01:49:00.319 Which Jerry Barnhart was like one of the know, He's 1861 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.720 an amazing shooter and one of the principal teachers for 1862 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:04.840 a lot of the soft units. 1863 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:08.439 And you had to shoot first in his class. Did 1864 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:10.439 you have to shoot him or you just had to 1865 01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.079 you just had to be the best of the to 1866 01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:14.560 be in the best of the group to get the hat. 1867 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:14.880 Right. 1868 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:18.560 Yeah, you know I probably should warning that so far 1869 01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.760 from what you experienced out there that day. I mean, 1870 01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:24.399 I reflect back on what j. R. Seeger said when 1871 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:28.640 we had him on thought, the combination of US Special Forces, 1872 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:32.560 c I A paramilitary and American air power was just 1873 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:34.159 a very deadly combination. 1874 01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:39.279 Absolutely it was. It was I just remember, like I said, 1875 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:43.800 you know, it was like it was a spectator half 1876 01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:47.960 the time, right, other than rounds, you know, and the 1877 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:50.079 thing that the interesting party and I want to sound 1878 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:52.720 like there wasn't you know, me deep and grenade pins, 1879 01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:54.560 but you know, they were shooting at us and the 1880 01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:57.199 rounds were hidden. But they were also shooting from paraway too, 1881 01:49:57.279 --> 01:50:00.880 so you know, it wasn't like you know when it 1882 01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:04.079 wasn't like Blue Jar or Maddy or anything like that. 1883 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:08.840 But I remember this one occurred taking around the chest 1884 01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:10.760 right Bot right next to me and kind of in 1885 01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.920 between me and Jack and uh, and I went to 1886 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:19.279 him and pulled open all of his you know, they 1887 01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:21.920 had layers of clothes on, right, because it's like march 1888 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:26.079 right a rack of snow on the mountains, right, it 1889 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:29.600 was cold, and I pulled all these layers of clothes 1890 01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:31.600 out and the round, the seven sixth two round was 1891 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:33.680 like sticking out of his chest. It wasn't even like 1892 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.680 it hardly even penetrated because. 1893 01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:38.920 It's so it bled off so much velocity. 1894 01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:43.399 Yeah, exactly right. You know, I shouldn't made it more dramatic. 1895 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:47.560 You know, it was just it was just kind of funny. 1896 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.439 But yeah, it's you know, we did that. I ended 1897 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:53.159 up clearing some caves and then getting some guys that 1898 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:55.920 were hiding some caves, a couple of couple of cards, 1899 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.520 and and I remember leaving that. At the end of 1900 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:02.920 the day, I'm like, ash, am I gonna I need 1901 01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:05.199 to write a report on this. Am I going to get? 1902 01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:08.880 You know, it was like the dilemma. No, I'm not 1903 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.479 gonna tell because I don't I don't want to do 1904 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:15.560 the paperwork, right, you know, so I'm gonna like, you know, 1905 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:17.520 back then it was like, you know, we're gonna get 1906 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:17.840 in trouble. 1907 01:51:18.199 --> 01:51:21.640 Why were you put yourself in harm's way kind of thing. Well, 1908 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:22.479 it wasn't that. 1909 01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:26.000 It was more like you just didn't know everything was new, 1910 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:30.840 right unless you rush Afghanistan, you were you know, Afghanistan 1911 01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:33.800 was was ahead of us by year, right, right, half 1912 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:39.920 a year so for a year or more. Yeah, yeah, 1913 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:41.800 So that was that was that was a really good time. 1914 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:44.760 That was only the beginning too, because then we did 1915 01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:46.680 other things Kirk Cook, you know, we had to take 1916 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:51.359 Kirk Cook with the Kurds. Uh. It just kept going 1917 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:57.239 and it was a real good time with with ten 1918 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:02.359 group and looking forward to the reunion, you know, I 1919 01:52:02.359 --> 01:52:05.960 think they're going to do a twenty year anniversary of 1920 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:10.199 that Viking Hammer coming up here next year, early early 1921 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:12.079 early next twenty three. 1922 01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:16.520 Were there, you know you said that Afghanistan was a 1923 01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:19.600 year ahead of you at this point in time. Have 1924 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:25.600 there been? Were there were there visible changes at your 1925 01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:30.119 particular unit as a result of nine to eleven? Did 1926 01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:33.279 things change? Did they morph evolve? 1927 01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:41.039 Yeah? I mean they did, of course, you know nine 1928 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:44.239 to eleven changed everyone's life. I mean, for me example, 1929 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.359 I was on a on a my This one trip 1930 01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:49.920 I did after doing a bunch of balking trips was 1931 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:56.079 to a country to Georgia, excellent, and I remember taking off. 1932 01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:59.960 I just why I'd just gotten married at the time, 1933 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:05.359 to to I just got married, just leave it that way. 1934 01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:11.439 The a few weeks before and it was getting ready 1935 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:16.680 to leave on September ninth. And so September ninth, I 1936 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.119 get on the plane, fly to fly out there to 1937 01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:25.439 the Caucasus and land, you know, because you lose a 1938 01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:31.760 day when you're flying that way. Right, So check into 1939 01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:34.359 our place, turn on the TV. I'm with another another 1940 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:38.560 teammate and they were watching CNN and he's like, hey, man, 1941 01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:40.960 check out the TV. There's like a plane just crashed 1942 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.680 one of the towers. Like, oh okay, think of you know, 1943 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:46.000 World War two, when that be twenty five at the 1944 01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:49.800 Empire State Building or whatever. And you know, I'm watching it. 1945 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:52.560 And then we like everybody in America has the story, 1946 01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:56.960 same story. We watched the second plane the time. So 1947 01:53:57.359 --> 01:54:02.039 at that point it was like, holy shit, war with someone, right, 1948 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.840 So you know, we're on the horn, we're talking to 1949 01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:09.239 the chief at the base at the station, and next 1950 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:13.359 thing you know, we're we're doing stuff. So from that 1951 01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:17.520 point on, it was everything was like laser focused. It 1952 01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:22.239 was awesome, great times to be alive. You know, we 1953 01:54:22.359 --> 01:54:26.399 just got everything we needed. Uh, we did a lot 1954 01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:30.479 of great stuff. I just feel like it was you know, 1955 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:36.880 a bleusts time to be an American. Yeah, so. 1956 01:54:38.560 --> 01:54:41.600 What came for you then? After after Viking Hammer. 1957 01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:43.600 That whole two thousand and three invasion, what was the 1958 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:47.159 next step for for you in the now now in 1959 01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:48.720 your army career, so to speak. 1960 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.640 Yeah, so Viking Hammer happened, and you know, it was 1961 01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:54.359 kind of like the you know, you didn't really think 1962 01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:57.560 of it as Viking Hammer. It was like it was like, okay, work, 1963 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:02.079 another deployment did to s. You know, we we went 1964 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:04.640 to all these different places and and that the stuff 1965 01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:08.000 we pulled off of all these different little villages. And 1966 01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:11.680 I mean you took this this one particular. I should 1967 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:12.520 have sent you the picture. 1968 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:12.760 Man. 1969 01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:15.920 It's a it's a kind of famous picture actually sitting 1970 01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:19.600 in sitting in a conference room up at another office. 1971 01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:26.159 It's with myself, Nick, all the guys from our team 1972 01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:29.920 after we just took this little town and me and 1973 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:31.439 Mick are holding an American flag up. 1974 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:33.560 Oh I think I've seen that one. 1975 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:36.199 Yeah, you probably have. It's it's actually in all the 1976 01:55:36.319 --> 01:55:38.279 Viking if you go to Wikipedia and all that kind 1977 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:39.720 of stuff, you can see it. You know, all the 1978 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:44.680 bikes you're you're wearing Oakley's and most of them. Exactly. Yeah, you're. 1979 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:50.520 Understand, but that I said, you're a seal, so we understand, 1980 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:51.760 but I'm I'm honest kid. 1981 01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:57.039 Yeah, cool dude always. 1982 01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:58.239 And and for your for our viewers, you don't know. 1983 01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:02.079 S SC is sensitive site exploitation and it's it's the 1984 01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:06.399 phase after an assault where you basically search for search 1985 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.039 for evidence, but like search like like the FBI looking 1986 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:12.479 for like you searched like I would. 1987 01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:15.479 I wouldn't quite call it what the FBI does on 1988 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:16.319 a crime scene. 1989 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:19.239 It's more like it's a it's what a ranger does 1990 01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:20.159 on a crime scene. 1991 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:23.039 Well, I mean, it's not like you're not wearing gloves 1992 01:56:23.079 --> 01:56:27.000 and dusting for prints, but you're ripping pop everything. You're 1993 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:30.960 looking for everything you can. And yeah, and you find 1994 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:35.359 all their porn, you know, all all the udal indeed. 1995 01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:39.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So we did that s 1996 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.399 S stuff. I went to to the Fromal place and 1997 01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:46.920 it was just devastated, and then some other folks came 1998 01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:51.359 in and we just shifted focus to to the the 1999 01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:57.199 Iraqi Republican Guard uh InCor cook and taking that place 2000 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:03.560 with groups again. So that I ended up getting the 2001 01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:08.680 third Republican Iraqi Republican Guard Division flag took it down 2002 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:13.199 from whatever that base was there. And what's funny is 2003 01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:16.840 like you could see these guys as they left their base. 2004 01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:19.359 They were like literally taking their clothes off and throwing 2005 01:57:19.399 --> 01:57:22.600 them off, you know, in the street, their uniforms and knowing, 2006 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:27.560 you know, soveying close. And this flag was it had 2007 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.600 to be twenty feet long or something like that. I 2008 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:32.560 ended up giving it to someone in some general and 2009 01:57:34.359 --> 01:57:37.800 com But yeah, we found a bunch of really interesting 2010 01:57:37.840 --> 01:57:44.600 things there, missiles and things that more interesting. But to 2011 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:47.880 put it, wow, But it's just it's too bad that 2012 01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:51.560 the political narrative is what it is as far as 2013 01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:55.039 the level of evidence. But you know, there's cases to 2014 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:59.199 be made on both sides of WMD. You know, finding 2015 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:02.960 Sarah is one thing. Finding effective Sarah rounds is another thing, 2016 01:58:03.319 --> 01:58:07.079 right right, right, I would say, there's yeah. 2017 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:11.520 Right, and and you know sort of and again, you know, 2018 01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:15.319 if the premise is yellow cake, then w m d 2019 01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:23.439 S may not fit that definition. But finding you know uxo, Yeah, yeah, 2020 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:28.199 finding finding toxic gases or finding what you know, chemical 2021 01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:35.920 weapons does get downplayed in in you know, in certain narratives. 2022 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:39.159 For sure, yeah. I mean there was enough evidence prior 2023 01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:44.359 to that of you know, makes being buried in the desert, 2024 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.159 and you know we were we were played to by 2025 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:52.479 by a lot of shakes, right right, that's that's out 2026 01:58:52.479 --> 01:58:54.119 of my pay. Yeah. 2027 01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:56.640 What what what came after that deployment though? What was 2028 01:58:56.680 --> 01:58:57.279 the next step? 2029 01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:05.760 Okay, so it came back from that. Well, before I left, 2030 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:10.720 I had to go down so we were we were 2031 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:13.039 also planning how we're going to get into buy it, 2032 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:16.760 get into back dead first, just conditions for the guys 2033 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:19.800 who were you know, first I D and one math 2034 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:26.680 and third id H and Uh. I ended up going 2035 01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:29.760 down there with a group of guys that Mark was 2036 01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:38.239 running and linking up at Baghdad International Seeing Airport it 2037 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:42.560 was called, and doing a little bit of stuff in 2038 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:45.600 Baghdad before I got shipped up. By that point, i'd 2039 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:53.800 been there like six plus months. So I left came 2040 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:56.760 back home. That's two thousand and three. 2041 01:59:58.119 --> 02:00:03.720 H And at what point in your career how many 2042 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:06.720 years did you have in the military at two thousand 2043 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:07.279 and three. 2044 02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:12.760 See, that would have been I listened in eighty seven, 2045 02:00:12.880 --> 02:00:16.760 So what do the math for fifteen? 2046 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:18.119 Right? Right? 2047 02:00:18.760 --> 02:00:21.840 Sixteen sixteen years? So I ended up coming back to 2048 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:26.880 the unit and taking U. Oh okay, so I'm a 2049 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.920 senior chief, right, So here's the here's the row, the 2050 02:00:30.960 --> 02:00:37.239 interesting part of Iraq. I'm up for master chief and 2051 02:00:37.600 --> 02:00:39.199 at the same time I was married, So I'm thinking 2052 02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:44.479 about yeah, master chief E nine retirement after twenty years, 2053 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:48.520 twenty five years, thirty years, as opposed to like putting 2054 02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:52.039 in a commissioning package. Right, it's a big pay difference, 2055 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:54.439 free time, Yeah, any difference, right, So I put in 2056 02:00:54.479 --> 02:00:56.520 this one. I put it in a package for commission, 2057 02:00:56.680 --> 02:00:59.079 a Mustang commission, and you get to you can check 2058 02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:02.039 a block for war an officer or just line officer, right, 2059 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:06.039 Nothing wrong with foreign officers. They're awesome, right, but they 2060 02:01:06.039 --> 02:01:09.720 don't want to run a training stuff, right. So I 2061 02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:12.720 just thought, yeah, I'll just roll the dice line officer. 2062 02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:15.760 So the message comes out, I'm on, I'm on an 2063 02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:21.680 objective overnight. It's you know, December of two thousand and two, 2064 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:27.760 and I'm selected for master chief, right, pretty nice. Then 2065 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:29.920 I might have the order backwards. But I also got 2066 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:35.800 selected for ld O for for commission. So I come 2067 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:38.279 back and I have to make a decision, and I 2068 02:01:38.319 --> 02:01:41.560 went to the boss to the CEO, and I said, hey, man, 2069 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:45.199 if I sirt and say, man, sir, if I take 2070 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:47.600 this commission, can I stay at the unit. You're like, 2071 02:01:48.520 --> 02:01:51.399 I don't see why not right, because typically if you 2072 02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:54.479 get commissioned, they send you off to freaking another side 2073 02:01:54.520 --> 02:01:56.960 of the world, right, one of those who you are, 2074 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:00.520 so you show up as this boot and send or officer. 2075 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:06.199 And uh so one day I'm I'm selected to so 2076 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:08.279 many things at the you know, I'm gonna be a nine. 2077 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:10.159 And then next thing, I'm like, well, I'm manbe you 2078 02:02:10.199 --> 02:02:14.840 know one, right, you know, we do this ceremony. Uh 2079 02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:18.760 and uh I get uh, you know, go from E 2080 02:02:18.920 --> 02:02:26.359 nine to or E eight promotable two one. And it 2081 02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:28.760 was like people are looking at well, what do we 2082 02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:32.079 call you now? I mean, yeah, you call me Drew. Right. 2083 02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:37.720 So I stayed there for another five years, ended up 2084 02:02:37.880 --> 02:02:40.319 taking one of the other troops, a different kind of 2085 02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:46.520 troops that did different, uh atypical a stuff. 2086 02:02:46.720 --> 02:02:50.239 Did some stuff in some places, say again, did some 2087 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:51.640 stuff in some places? 2088 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:54.319 Yeah, it just it was it had a different flavor 2089 02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:57.000 to it. And it was the XO for that for 2090 02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:03.199 a while. And then I did the m for to 2091 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:08.479 have kind of uh yeah, stuff where you know, I 2092 02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:12.279 had like punch tickets, oh three, I mean S three 2093 02:03:12.760 --> 02:03:16.119 I was a len o for or whatnot. But that 2094 02:03:16.159 --> 02:03:18.560 wasn't the end of my you know, utility. I actually 2095 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:22.880 dim other stuff that was with other folks for their agencies. 2096 02:03:23.319 --> 02:03:26.439 So but you you're still deploying in support of the 2097 02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:30.199 war on Terror, uh, doing your thing there. And and 2098 02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:33.119 you said eventually you became catre for the selection for US, right, 2099 02:03:33.119 --> 02:03:34.279 you kind of came full circle. 2100 02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:38.560 Yeah, So, I mean what happens is, you know, whether 2101 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:40.399 it's once a year or twice a year, it depends 2102 02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:43.520 on you know, the year and the time. Typically it's 2103 02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:46.319 twice a year. They're doing an assessment selection. They're bringing 2104 02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:51.560 candidates from the military. They do you know, you do screening, 2105 02:03:52.039 --> 02:03:54.760 uh assess them, and then you put them through a 2106 02:03:54.800 --> 02:04:01.520 pipeline of uh of tasks and you know, they pull 2107 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:09.079 from whoever's available within the squadron squadrons to becaudant. And 2108 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:12.439 so I was very actually that was very rewarding, you know, 2109 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:18.199 to to do that, to teach people tasks and assess 2110 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:20.640 them and that now you're one of the guys in 2111 02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:22.840 that horseshoe formation around the candidates. 2112 02:04:22.880 --> 02:04:25.399 That come in and yeah, actually. 2113 02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:30.319 I never got to that point. I don't think I was, 2114 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:34.000 you know, I'm I'm not that it was. It was senior, 2115 02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:37.000 senior folks who do that. But yeah, yeah, I had 2116 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:41.000 feedback green sheets or pink sheets are there called had 2117 02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:45.039 to fill out. But in this time frame after I 2118 02:04:45.079 --> 02:04:48.560 came back from Iraq, that's when I went down to 2119 02:04:48.600 --> 02:04:54.279 this special finishing school that day probably and I became 2120 02:04:54.319 --> 02:05:02.880 a certified operations officer. So that after that, that's when 2121 02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:10.680 I started doing you know, CEO stuff and other places. 2122 02:05:10.840 --> 02:05:13.920 So that's when I got to, you know, really do 2123 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:19.359 the things that I thought was really my strategic intelligence. Yeah, 2124 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:24.720 run sources and you know that was a dicey sorry, 2125 02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:28.880 dicey time, uh in the history of Somalia and the 2126 02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:31.439 Horn of Africa, but very rewarding. 2127 02:05:31.680 --> 02:05:34.399 And Samalia you actually you mentioned good early and that 2128 02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:35.880 was Somalia, right. 2129 02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:41.119 Yes, that's regrettably, that's I mean, I just got to 2130 02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:46.199 tell you there are very I love my brothers, but 2131 02:05:46.640 --> 02:05:48.359 of all the people in the world that I know 2132 02:05:49.760 --> 02:05:53.479 who are just true superstar rock star heroes who've been 2133 02:05:53.640 --> 02:05:57.159 everywhere at the right time, that's just one guy that. 2134 02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:05.119 Uh was he was he the Bancroft guy that was 2135 02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:06.039 killed over there? 2136 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.640 He was, Okay, I'm thinking of somewhat different. 2137 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:19.680 It was, yeah, yeah, but just yeah, you know, yeah 2138 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:21.840 he he you know, he was one of the ops 2139 02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:27.880 in uh Anaconda and everything. Everything, everywhere he went, things 2140 02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:32.640 happened so and regrettably, I don't think he had any 2141 02:06:32.640 --> 02:06:35.640 family or any children, but but him and his wife 2142 02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:44.199 were very involved in in other you know, mentoring, uh 2143 02:06:45.560 --> 02:06:49.399 just you know, just children that had didn't have parents. 2144 02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:55.119 Or m hm, yeah, that's incredible. Well, I hope his 2145 02:06:55.199 --> 02:06:57.800 story can be told in further details some day. Sounds 2146 02:06:57.840 --> 02:06:59.560 like a pretty amazing dude. 2147 02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:04.000 Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean it's I feel like 2148 02:07:04.319 --> 02:07:06.760 I had like an average career, you know. I mean, 2149 02:07:06.880 --> 02:07:08.560 you know, you kind of rack yourself, you kind of 2150 02:07:08.560 --> 02:07:12.039 compare yourself to your peers, and that's just the wrong 2151 02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:14.199 thing to do because it ends up setting me up 2152 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:19.560 for problems later on, you know, right, question, could you've 2153 02:07:19.600 --> 02:07:21.319 done things differently or whatnot? Right? 2154 02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:25.359 And yeah, that's that's a trap because you you you 2155 02:07:25.399 --> 02:07:26.800 are comparing your. 2156 02:07:28.359 --> 02:07:30.560 You know, it's sort of like the whole Groucho Mars thing. 2157 02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:32.199 I would never be a member of any club that 2158 02:07:32.239 --> 02:07:34.640 would have me as a member, right, Like, like we 2159 02:07:34.680 --> 02:07:38.079 see ourselves in a different light than we see everybody 2160 02:07:38.119 --> 02:07:41.119 around us, And so many times you're like, how am 2161 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:44.479 I here because of what you know? And it's even 2162 02:07:44.520 --> 02:07:46.479 like on this show, we have people who come on 2163 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:51.199 who have done incredible phenomenal things and they say, I 2164 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:53.479 don't know if I can be on your show because 2165 02:07:53.600 --> 02:07:54.600 like you've had. 2166 02:07:54.479 --> 02:07:58.560 Such it's like your legend too, you. 2167 02:07:58.439 --> 02:08:03.319 Know, it's it's you know, and I think especially and 2168 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:08.720 and special Operations, which is an area of you know, 2169 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:12.279 high achievers, people who set goals and achieve those goals. 2170 02:08:12.880 --> 02:08:17.640 And if you're consistently comparing yourself to the people around you, 2171 02:08:17.680 --> 02:08:21.720 we tend to diminish our achievements and and see and 2172 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:26.520 go oh man, then I could have like, like look 2173 02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:27.279 at what they did. 2174 02:08:27.960 --> 02:08:31.239 I want to ask Drew about his about post retirement 2175 02:08:31.399 --> 02:08:36.760 and or post army or post military and some of 2176 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:39.720 the things you did. Let's get into the viewer questions 2177 02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:41.319 before we go there. 2178 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:44.520 Let me jump people. 2179 02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:49.199 People very much care that actually people they actually give 2180 02:08:49.479 --> 02:08:51.680 us money to ask you questions. 2181 02:08:51.720 --> 02:08:57.239 So you know, how do I get tap into that stream? Man? 2182 02:08:57.640 --> 02:09:02.479 You actually we'll talk, Yeah, and you're gonna you're gonna 2183 02:09:02.479 --> 02:09:10.279 tell us about your upcoming stuff. You tap into that. 2184 02:09:10.279 --> 02:09:10.760 That's right. 2185 02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:13.960 Let's talk about see what your what's your what your 2186 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:14.600 group wants to know? 2187 02:09:14.640 --> 02:09:15.680 Yeah, let's see what they got. 2188 02:09:16.560 --> 02:09:17.760 Yeah, so. 2189 02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:26.039 Let me do my broadcast voice here. John Pierre, who 2190 02:09:26.239 --> 02:09:29.960 just donated, thank you very much. Darren Jones donated also, 2191 02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:31.319 both very generous. 2192 02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:35.199 We really appreciate. Jacob wall Drew is like the mirror 2193 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:39.319 image of Dale Comstock, yet equally if not more imposing. 2194 02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:45.039 So what he said that you are like the mirror 2195 02:09:45.079 --> 02:09:50.079 image of Dale Comstock, another guest of ours. Uh uh, 2196 02:09:50.279 --> 02:09:53.600 yet equally if not more imposing. And I think what 2197 02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:59.039 what he is saying is that, uh like Dale is 2198 02:09:59.039 --> 02:10:02.640 is very much a large life figure, and you know 2199 02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:04.800 in the way he carries ol of with itself and 2200 02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:08.359 and deservedly so, like he's you know, been there, done that, 2201 02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:12.039 and while and you are humble and yet you are 2202 02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:15.880 also equally if not more imposting. Is when are when? 2203 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:19.560 Well, that's that's very flattering and and thank you for 2204 02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:25.800 you know, I feel like, and this is gonna sound corny, 2205 02:10:25.960 --> 02:10:28.479 but I really do believe that I was blessed the 2206 02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:30.640 fact that I came in when I did, and I 2207 02:10:30.880 --> 02:10:37.119 was had the fortune to walk amongst folks that were 2208 02:10:37.159 --> 02:10:43.119 just like me who did amazing things. You know, It's 2209 02:10:45.479 --> 02:10:47.680 sometimes you just wake up one day and you realize 2210 02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:51.600 I belong here. Yeah, whether you're a Major League baseball 2211 02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:56.039 player or an actor or pro football player, whatever it is, 2212 02:10:56.119 --> 02:10:58.720 you just wake up and go, I belong here. This 2213 02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:01.880 is this is where I live. I can do this. 2214 02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:06.000 I can't perform I I can. And it doesn't mean 2215 02:11:06.039 --> 02:11:10.880 I'm any more Superman. I'm not a Marvel character. It's 2216 02:11:10.920 --> 02:11:14.520 just that you just realize you know your craftsmen, your 2217 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:21.359 you know what you're doing right, and there's you know 2218 02:11:21.399 --> 02:11:22.920 when you when you get to that point where you 2219 02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:27.920 trust your inner self. I think that's what I learned 2220 02:11:28.119 --> 02:11:30.840 going to the unit. It's like, this is why I've 2221 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:33.800 made this decision because I think it's the right decision. 2222 02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:36.239 And here's why I think it's the right decision. This 2223 02:11:36.359 --> 02:11:38.119 is why I set the l Z up this way. 2224 02:11:38.439 --> 02:11:41.479 This is why I aborted this mission. This is why 2225 02:11:41.479 --> 02:11:45.119 I did this thing. And you're right because it turns 2226 02:11:45.159 --> 02:11:48.640 out right. And so when you're when you're fortunate enough 2227 02:11:48.680 --> 02:11:54.279 to be in that position to repeatedly over years. UH 2228 02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:59.319 make good decisions or decisions that are productive or you 2229 02:11:59.319 --> 02:12:01.960 know sometimes the just and where you walk away, right, 2230 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:05.319 you know what, right a good feeling about this. 2231 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:10.279 And it takes it takes a mature military unit, which 2232 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:15.159 which isn't always there to support you. Like some units 2233 02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:19.560 will make your decision decision a zero or hero decision. 2234 02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:23.239 But if the unit trusts you, then they give you 2235 02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:26.840 the leeway to make a decision and don't like like 2236 02:12:27.039 --> 02:12:28.479 hammer you afterwards. 2237 02:12:29.079 --> 02:12:32.399 Yeah, to that point. I remember being in Somalia and 2238 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:33.960 you know, we had this certain coup of mission we 2239 02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:42.399 were working with with uh proxies or whatever, and uh 2240 02:12:42.680 --> 02:12:46.479 I had this uh certain O six who I love, 2241 02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:49.920 love them to death. He's like, where the fuck is mine? 2242 02:12:51.039 --> 02:12:55.439 You know, Commando force? Oh I need to know because 2243 02:12:55.640 --> 02:13:02.399 he's answering to geos and whatnot. Sir, you can't make 2244 02:13:02.439 --> 02:13:04.960 some allies and it just doesn't have an open into 2245 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:07.640 command right right. They don't even know how to read 2246 02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:12.680 a map, right, you know, And and uh so you 2247 02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:16.840 have that those kinds of challenges to deal with, but 2248 02:13:19.159 --> 02:13:20.520 at the end of the day, they trust you and 2249 02:13:20.560 --> 02:13:25.239 they let you kind of drive the try the train yeah, no. 2250 02:13:25.279 --> 02:13:28.359 That's important. Hey, just to add to what he said 2251 02:13:28.399 --> 02:13:30.119 work for in the ninth three Life, Hey, if you 2252 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:34.359 haven't liked this video, please please get us Yeah wrong, Yeah, 2253 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:34.800 you're wrong. 2254 02:13:35.800 --> 02:13:37.359 You're wrong, straight up. 2255 02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:45.039 And then uh, Adam White, one of our beloved guests, thank. 2256 02:13:44.840 --> 02:13:46.960 You for the donation. He said, great interview. We're all 2257 02:13:47.039 --> 02:13:48.279 very lucky to have you, Drew. 2258 02:13:49.119 --> 02:13:52.920 We uh and keep making up funky and keeping it 2259 02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:57.680 up spicy, y'all, go team go, Yeah, Drew, we are 2260 02:13:57.760 --> 02:13:58.520 very lucky to have you. 2261 02:13:58.560 --> 02:13:59.880 We deeply appreciate you coming on. 2262 02:14:01.279 --> 02:14:04.359 Well, it's been my pleasure. I wish I could be 2263 02:14:04.479 --> 02:14:08.359 more captivating and told you some better stories next time. 2264 02:14:08.439 --> 02:14:10.560 Next time you come here in studio in New York 2265 02:14:10.840 --> 02:14:12.760 and we'll sit down, we'll have some stokes, and. 2266 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:14.319 You told us some great stories. 2267 02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:18.079 And look like, thank God for Jack because Jack, because 2268 02:14:18.199 --> 02:14:20.279 you and I are we're both sort of the A 2269 02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:23.199 D D. Like we go off and I would have 2270 02:14:23.279 --> 02:14:25.760 talked to you about like naval sea stories for. 2271 02:14:25.760 --> 02:14:29.119 Fucking you know, two hours. You're having a really bad day. 2272 02:14:29.159 --> 02:14:31.159 If you need me to keep you on the rails. 2273 02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:36.159 I have a bad day every Friday, yeah or Saturday. Yeah. 2274 02:14:36.520 --> 02:14:40.199 See how bad my day is there there? 2275 02:14:41.000 --> 02:14:42.880 Does anybody have a pointy question they want to ask? 2276 02:14:42.960 --> 02:14:47.439 Or yeah, so and a totally Vaskovich thank you very much. 2277 02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:50.119 Did you guys spend a lot of time on shooting 2278 02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:51.439 and weapons and CQT? 2279 02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:56.159 Was it a good shooting program shooting weapons win. 2280 02:14:56.760 --> 02:14:59.359 During c QT, like during your training. 2281 02:14:59.439 --> 02:15:02.760 For the some of you, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2282 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:08.680 I mean yes. But but part of the part of 2283 02:15:08.720 --> 02:15:13.800 the selection, Terry was like what you brought to the team, right, 2284 02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:16.000 So they're not going to teach you what you already 2285 02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:21.000 know how to do. You're gonna get plenty of opportunity 2286 02:15:21.239 --> 02:15:25.359 like to work with work with guys like Jerry Barnhardt 2287 02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:31.279 or Pat Pat McNamara or or other folks. But that's 2288 02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:34.199 just so you can just tweak and fine tune your skills, 2289 02:15:34.359 --> 02:15:40.439 right mostly you get Yeah, so we did a lot 2290 02:15:40.439 --> 02:15:48.479 of foreign weapons stuff and so, but maintaining our calls 2291 02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:50.199 was never an issue. We wanted to set up a 2292 02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:52.920 shooting course with some expert We did it whenever we 2293 02:15:53.000 --> 02:15:55.760 needed to. How was it we wanted to also wanted 2294 02:15:55.800 --> 02:15:59.920 to maintain What I've left out is that we work 2295 02:16:00.600 --> 02:16:04.640 oftentimes integrated as part of a combined team with our 2296 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:08.159 brothers and sisters in Blue and Green. So you know, 2297 02:16:08.199 --> 02:16:10.159 we needed to be able to not be. 2298 02:16:10.159 --> 02:16:14.199 A live building us right and out of curiosity, like, 2299 02:16:14.359 --> 02:16:17.760 how was that different? Because in the sealed teams, just 2300 02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:21.600 like in the Rangers or most spec Ops units, you 2301 02:16:21.680 --> 02:16:25.720 were learning to do things as a team. And while 2302 02:16:25.760 --> 02:16:27.279 you need to be able to do things as a 2303 02:16:27.319 --> 02:16:30.560 team and integrate, there are also times when you have 2304 02:16:30.680 --> 02:16:34.639 to do something as a singleton or as a payer, 2305 02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:38.479 and that's not really something that is so often focused 2306 02:16:38.520 --> 02:16:41.479 on in these other units. So how did you train 2307 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:42.120 up for that? 2308 02:16:44.319 --> 02:16:48.200 Yeah, so that kind of details into my one of 2309 02:16:48.200 --> 02:16:52.000 my last jobs, where we had a special group that 2310 02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:57.079 did kind of those types of things we travel around, 2311 02:16:58.639 --> 02:17:07.239 be about yourself and notably, for example, we had a 2312 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:13.879 particular rock star who went on a trip and as 2313 02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:17.920 soon as he landed, he his spotty senses went off 2314 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:21.639 and he realized that, hey, he thinks he's might have 2315 02:17:21.760 --> 02:17:27.760 coverage and sure enough, you know it could have been criminal. 2316 02:17:27.959 --> 02:17:30.360 I mean, that's one of the things you neglect were 2317 02:17:30.479 --> 02:17:33.440 we always want to look at things from the standpoint 2318 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:37.799 of it, you know, as a voice or foreign intelligence. 2319 02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:40.399 Like espionage, right right, right, right, but a lot of 2320 02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:42.920 times it's just criminal, like too right, because you're an 2321 02:17:42.959 --> 02:17:46.840 American in a country that's not Yeah, the lights tourists. 2322 02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:50.920 Yeah, And regardless of what it was, you know, he 2323 02:17:51.719 --> 02:17:56.360 had the awareness, situational awareness to recognize the situation. And 2324 02:17:56.799 --> 02:17:59.799 sure enough, the van pulls up, guys jump out, so 2325 02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:01.559 I'm put sticks a gun in his chest, and he 2326 02:18:01.600 --> 02:18:04.879 does the freaking swim move, takes a gun away, takes 2327 02:18:04.920 --> 02:18:10.399 around it, takes the gun away, shoots back at the guys, 2328 02:18:10.719 --> 02:18:13.200 hits a couple of them, and they speed off. And 2329 02:18:13.319 --> 02:18:17.200 he's got to do the Jason Bourne ship right, you know. 2330 02:18:17.479 --> 02:18:20.559 And he right, and he can have he could have 2331 02:18:20.879 --> 02:18:24.159 like the embassy x X for him, but then he 2332 02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:27.719 would blow everything. So instead he decides to make his 2333 02:18:27.760 --> 02:18:28.239 own way. 2334 02:18:28.760 --> 02:18:31.600 He just he does Jason Bourne as it goes to 2335 02:18:31.639 --> 02:18:35.600 the you know, gets his supplies from, you know, some 2336 02:18:36.120 --> 02:18:39.079 pharmacy where takes care of himself, does the right thing, 2337 02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:42.600 notifies you know, we got a procedure, and and to 2338 02:18:42.680 --> 02:18:45.600 that to your point, you know, that's what happened. So 2339 02:18:45.799 --> 02:18:48.079 but it was completely below the radar. Did the right 2340 02:18:48.079 --> 02:18:51.360 thing wells the level of stuff that really does happen, 2341 02:18:51.559 --> 02:18:56.000 and you're proud of when your guys your gallop. 2342 02:18:56.799 --> 02:18:57.840 That's super hardcore. 2343 02:18:57.959 --> 02:19:00.479 Like the way that accounts published in the book is 2344 02:19:00.520 --> 02:19:04.520 that that guy was, uh, you know, mugged in a 2345 02:19:04.600 --> 02:19:06.639 gas station essentially by crooks. 2346 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:08.440 But what you're laying out is like a kind of 2347 02:19:08.479 --> 02:19:09.680 a pretty different situation. 2348 02:19:10.399 --> 02:19:12.840 No, it wasn't a gas station. It was you know, 2349 02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:15.559 he's on his way too from the airport. 2350 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:18.000 And these are not criminals. These are people who know 2351 02:19:18.040 --> 02:19:19.959 who this dude is and they want to bag him up. 2352 02:19:20.680 --> 02:19:23.879 Yeah, one can. One could definitely make that assumption. 2353 02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:28.319 Yeah, yeah, right, it gets off airpl at that moment. 2354 02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:31.799 He doesn't know that he's just responding to the situation 2355 02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:33.319 exactly right. 2356 02:19:33.319 --> 02:19:37.120 And that's the that's where the Crucible and Killy McCann 2357 02:19:37.239 --> 02:19:41.000 and and all that training, all the cold, every freaking 2358 02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:43.520 day of the week, three times a week or whatever 2359 02:19:43.559 --> 02:19:48.799 it was, you know, pays off. Yeah, it's it's muscle memory, 2360 02:19:48.840 --> 02:19:52.000 it's it's it's all that stuff. It's you know, you 2361 02:19:52.040 --> 02:19:57.000 fight like you train, and h question becomes part of 2362 02:19:57.000 --> 02:19:59.079 who you are. And then you know the downside of 2363 02:19:59.079 --> 02:20:01.079 that is affectulator, you know what I mean? 2364 02:20:01.280 --> 02:20:04.520 Yeah, yeah, post post. 2365 02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:10.840 Retirement, you know you got to Facier, Fasher Demons or Facier. 2366 02:20:12.319 --> 02:20:15.680 Right, right, And we've talked to you know, we've talked 2367 02:20:15.680 --> 02:20:20.120 to a number of other people who have you know, 2368 02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:26.639 talked about you know, that challenge of of what comes 2369 02:20:26.719 --> 02:20:30.520 up after because it's easy to sort of subsume or 2370 02:20:30.559 --> 02:20:34.000 push down or ignore that stuff when you're still going, 2371 02:20:34.719 --> 02:20:37.200 you know, one hundred miles an hour. But then when 2372 02:20:37.239 --> 02:20:42.479 it all stops, all of it, then what are you 2373 02:20:42.600 --> 02:20:46.200 left with and what comes up? And did you That's 2374 02:20:46.280 --> 02:20:48.280 kind of it with the question did you did you 2375 02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:50.000 have to deal? 2376 02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:50.879 Like? 2377 02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:54.959 Were there things for you like working through afterwards? 2378 02:20:55.600 --> 02:20:59.280 Yeah? I mean, honestly, where I'm at in my life 2379 02:20:59.360 --> 02:21:01.319 right now, these are the things that I really feel 2380 02:21:01.319 --> 02:21:07.159 are important. And it surprised me, but yes I did, 2381 02:21:08.360 --> 02:21:13.200 because when I got out, PTSD was a stigma. It 2382 02:21:13.239 --> 02:21:16.719 was it was something you didn't of course you could. 2383 02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:18.159 You thought only. 2384 02:21:18.440 --> 02:21:23.280 Other people have convention of right, right, Yeah, exactly, And 2385 02:21:26.040 --> 02:21:29.600 but you know the assimilation part of society. You know, 2386 02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:32.000 everybody has to go through some sort of well I 2387 02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:37.159 shouldn't say everybody, but many of us high performers, I 2388 02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:40.200 want to say, you know, like we always joke about it. 2389 02:21:40.520 --> 02:21:46.360 It's a performance league, right you You you know, you 2390 02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:48.319 either have a good batting average, you drive in runs 2391 02:21:49.520 --> 02:21:53.000 you don't, you know so uh and you constantly measure 2392 02:21:53.040 --> 02:21:56.639 yourself based on your peers. You get out and you 2393 02:21:56.680 --> 02:22:01.360 have to struggle with uh. You struggle with relevancy. 2394 02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:05.319 Like I used to always joke about my my fresh 2395 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:11.280 my cell by date my. You know, when you get 2396 02:22:11.319 --> 02:22:15.520 out and you cut away, you've got an amount of 2397 02:22:16.239 --> 02:22:20.879 relevancy in the community that unless you strap hang on 2398 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:24.239 to another organization is going to keep irrelevant. You're gonna 2399 02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:27.120 you know, things are going to move past you. And 2400 02:22:28.280 --> 02:22:30.000 fortunately for me, I was able to do that. I 2401 02:22:30.079 --> 02:22:32.479 ended up working with Mick and some other guys for 2402 02:22:32.479 --> 02:22:37.680 a little while, and although it wasn't a real long time, 2403 02:22:37.840 --> 02:22:42.239 I made a personal decision not to, it did keep 2404 02:22:42.280 --> 02:22:45.200 me relevant. I did get to go do some things 2405 02:22:45.239 --> 02:22:47.159 that I didn't get to do in the military that 2406 02:22:47.399 --> 02:22:50.760 were just awesome. You know, I got more trigger time 2407 02:22:51.079 --> 02:22:58.959 afterwards than I did cumulatively you know later. But it's 2408 02:22:59.000 --> 02:23:00.280 just what it was, what it was. 2409 02:23:00.319 --> 02:23:03.959 But there, once you leave, you're gone, right, Like the 2410 02:23:04.120 --> 02:23:07.479 gates closed and you might still have friends, but you're 2411 02:23:07.639 --> 02:23:08.440 closed off. 2412 02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:12.079 Yeah, and you know what it is you think, you 2413 02:23:12.159 --> 02:23:14.639 think it's you. You don't know how to make you 2414 02:23:14.639 --> 02:23:17.079 don't know how to navigate the watch you find yourself. 2415 02:23:19.159 --> 02:23:21.920 For many of us, we wall ourselves off because we 2416 02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:23.840 feel like, I don't want to call. I don't want 2417 02:23:23.840 --> 02:23:25.319 to talk my buddies. I want, you know, I want 2418 02:23:25.319 --> 02:23:27.639 to sound like I'm gonna say something that sounds dated. 2419 02:23:29.559 --> 02:23:32.280 I don't want to bother them. And you stay, you 2420 02:23:32.360 --> 02:23:34.399 try to stay in touch, but but at the same time, 2421 02:23:34.479 --> 02:23:36.440 you re ut recognize they're still running one hundred miles 2422 02:23:36.440 --> 02:23:41.840 an hour and and you're not so you know, it 2423 02:23:41.840 --> 02:23:44.200 can take a toll and and and uh, for me, 2424 02:23:44.280 --> 02:23:47.120 it did. Uh, it's it's snuck up on me. And 2425 02:23:49.479 --> 02:23:52.239 there when I made the decision to kind of come 2426 02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:55.520 off the you know, come off the field and and 2427 02:23:55.879 --> 02:24:03.479 focus on a new marriage and having kids. You know, 2428 02:24:03.479 --> 02:24:07.479 it was a deliberate decision, and uh, but it also 2429 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:10.440 forced me to face some things that you know, what 2430 02:24:10.559 --> 02:24:13.280 was going to happen in the future, and at some 2431 02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:16.520 point you're real For I feel fortunate that I recognized 2432 02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:20.479 that I couldn't fix it myself, and I reached out. 2433 02:24:20.840 --> 02:24:24.920 It just turned out it was this weird thing. I 2434 02:24:24.920 --> 02:24:27.879 I got to say. I was walking into Wegman's one 2435 02:24:27.959 --> 02:24:34.680 day and I hadn't seen Rod Gonzo. This one guy Intel, 2436 02:24:34.719 --> 02:24:38.360 a guy in a few years and he said, Hey, 2437 02:24:38.440 --> 02:24:41.639 what's up, Drew, And we're shooting the ship in the 2438 02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:43.559 parking lot and maybe you could just see it. He 2439 02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:47.319 must have been written over my face. And he's like, uh, hey, 2440 02:24:47.360 --> 02:24:50.920 you're her headstrong, you know, And yeah, they got a 2441 02:24:50.920 --> 02:24:55.040 lot of money. They they're helping, helping guys. And give 2442 02:24:55.120 --> 02:24:58.239 him a call and I looked them up, ended up 2443 02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:02.760 calling him, having this inject with someone's you know, and 2444 02:25:02.840 --> 02:25:05.040 just kind of explaining things that I just didn't understand 2445 02:25:05.079 --> 02:25:08.440 what was going through my head. I never thought about 2446 02:25:08.719 --> 02:25:12.639 doing anything, you know, drastic some people with twenty two 2447 02:25:12.719 --> 02:25:17.000 and suicide and all that I said. But but I 2448 02:25:17.040 --> 02:25:21.120 realized I just after twenty five years or twenty seven 2449 02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:23.280 years of doing whatever I was doing, I suddenly I 2450 02:25:23.319 --> 02:25:28.760 found myselven waters. I couldn't control right somebody else, you know, 2451 02:25:29.239 --> 02:25:30.680 And so I reached out and talked to this guy. 2452 02:25:31.520 --> 02:25:35.239 Did an inject next a guy. Now I'm like talking 2453 02:25:35.280 --> 02:25:37.680 to a psychiatrist. Next thing I know, I'm talking to 2454 02:25:38.280 --> 02:25:40.959 you know, getting help and Headstrong was started by a 2455 02:25:41.000 --> 02:25:47.280 marine captain or major who a bunch of his major, 2456 02:25:47.559 --> 02:25:53.200 a bunch of his platoon members. After Ramadi and Flujah, 2457 02:25:53.440 --> 02:25:57.079 young guys were killing themselves suicide because they came back 2458 02:25:57.159 --> 02:26:00.239 to the world and they were you know, they had 2459 02:26:00.360 --> 02:26:04.920 issues when they were young, young kids. But you know, 2460 02:26:04.959 --> 02:26:06.959 the VA just hand them a bag of pills and 2461 02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:14.000 right and uh So, the stigma of PTSD was this, 2462 02:26:14.280 --> 02:26:17.879 you know, before Nika and Nico was formed for the 2463 02:26:17.920 --> 02:26:20.239 guys that that Tier one units. Now where you you 2464 02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:23.479 actually you know, get the proper treatment, the proper trend 2465 02:26:23.600 --> 02:26:33.440 uh uh transition, an assessment like what Mark talks about. Anyway, 2466 02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:35.440 that was before that. I was worried about my T S, 2467 02:26:35.440 --> 02:26:38.040 s C, I t K down all that kind of stuff, right, 2468 02:26:38.120 --> 02:26:39.479 you know I was. I was worried about, like, well, 2469 02:26:39.559 --> 02:26:42.680 somebody finds out I got you know, issues, I won't 2470 02:26:42.879 --> 02:26:48.000 be a case officer or whatever. So this was completely 2471 02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:51.399 anonymous they kept. You know, it was all done by big, big, 2472 02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:54.680 deep pocket boat donors. You got the help you needed 2473 02:26:54.920 --> 02:27:00.000 without any kind of stigma and had strong Save save basically, 2474 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:05.760 and that's why you know I'm where I'm at today. 2475 02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:08.319 Not that not that things that have necessarily been. 2476 02:27:10.120 --> 02:27:15.559 You know, negative, but but right, I can't do it 2477 02:27:16.440 --> 02:27:19.079 right right, And and again I get what you're saying 2478 02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:22.399 that you're you're not you're not saying that maybe there 2479 02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:24.760 were thoughts of self harm, but it becomes sort of 2480 02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:27.760 an isolation and sort of a downward spiral inside of 2481 02:27:27.760 --> 02:27:31.159 that isolation that just that just like. 2482 02:27:32.799 --> 02:27:39.479 It's not necessarily leading to a path that is physically detrimental, 2483 02:27:39.920 --> 02:27:44.000 but it's a path where you just sort of isolate 2484 02:27:44.159 --> 02:27:49.000 and keep you know, push away family friends, whatever. 2485 02:27:50.000 --> 02:27:55.040 Yeah, when when you when you're when your spouse says 2486 02:27:55.079 --> 02:27:59.239 something innocent and you cook off right along as entire rade, right, 2487 02:27:59.239 --> 02:28:02.200 and you're like, you know, you're just like you have 2488 02:28:02.280 --> 02:28:05.920 this out of body experience where like you don't get it. 2489 02:28:05.959 --> 02:28:11.639 And then you realize they don't get why should they 2490 02:28:11.680 --> 02:28:12.280 get it right? 2491 02:28:14.200 --> 02:28:15.760 And thank god they don't get it right. 2492 02:28:15.879 --> 02:28:21.239 I mean, yeah, we realize, Wow, okay, I'm gonna try 2493 02:28:21.559 --> 02:28:25.639 all these different things alcohol, I'll try this. Yeah, you know, 2494 02:28:26.280 --> 02:28:28.399 you do, you do you go about down all the 2495 02:28:28.440 --> 02:28:31.559 different rabbit holes and you realize, okay, you know, this 2496 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:34.239 is just an area where I need a subject matter 2497 02:28:34.319 --> 02:28:36.719 expert you know, I need somebody else who you know 2498 02:28:36.799 --> 02:28:39.719 I need to I need. I don't know what I need, 2499 02:28:39.760 --> 02:28:42.520 but but I need something else, right, And it's good, 2500 02:28:42.760 --> 02:28:44.559 you know. I mean, there's there's a lot more we've 2501 02:28:44.600 --> 02:28:46.840 We've really progressed a lot since I went through that, 2502 02:28:47.079 --> 02:28:51.520 So I, yeah, definitely. 2503 02:28:51.879 --> 02:28:53.040 I want to ask you something. 2504 02:28:53.079 --> 02:28:56.639 And maybe this is somewhat selfish of me, but I'll 2505 02:28:56.639 --> 02:28:58.879 go ahead and ask anyway. And I don't want to 2506 02:28:58.920 --> 02:29:01.479 say more than you maybe want to talk about publicly. 2507 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:04.200 But you have told something to me that like it 2508 02:29:04.280 --> 02:29:07.120 kind of resonated and I can relate to it on 2509 02:29:07.159 --> 02:29:09.959 a personal level. Like there's a time in your life, 2510 02:29:10.040 --> 02:29:14.959 like you decide to set aside this life as an 2511 02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:18.120 operator or a soldier or a sale or a bad 2512 02:29:18.159 --> 02:29:21.040 ass or whatever it is, and like choose to be 2513 02:29:21.319 --> 02:29:24.479 a father and a husband and and like play this 2514 02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:26.879 sort of other role in life. And I was wondering 2515 02:29:26.920 --> 02:29:28.520 if you would be willing to like talk a little 2516 02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:30.920 bit about like the very like kind of conscious decision 2517 02:29:31.000 --> 02:29:34.319 you made to move from one life to another, because 2518 02:29:34.360 --> 02:29:36.760 like that's something that just it really clicked with me 2519 02:29:36.840 --> 02:29:37.440 at least. 2520 02:29:38.319 --> 02:29:42.040 Yeah, great question. It's like and we all have these 2521 02:29:42.040 --> 02:29:44.799 preconceived ideas of what our life's gonna be. Like I'm 2522 02:29:44.799 --> 02:29:47.440 gonna get out, I'm gonna work with CIA, I'm gonna 2523 02:29:47.440 --> 02:29:50.520 be a parent military contractor. I'm gonna buy land in Montana. 2524 02:29:51.159 --> 02:29:54.239 I'm gonna do this, this and this. I'm gonna get 2525 02:29:54.239 --> 02:29:56.840 my past license, blah blah blah blah, you know whatever, 2526 02:29:57.680 --> 02:30:03.879 and uh and then you know, life throws you a 2527 02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:06.319 a a softball. You think it's a curve, but softball, 2528 02:30:06.680 --> 02:30:09.799 and you swim a miss and if you just like 2529 02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:11.559 paid attention to it and hit it the right way, 2530 02:30:11.600 --> 02:30:14.159 it would have been the best thing. So you you 2531 02:30:14.239 --> 02:30:19.040 have it. Like for me, I felt like a mhm. 2532 02:30:19.719 --> 02:30:30.239 I met my wife and at the time and we 2533 02:30:30.239 --> 02:30:33.000 were going to go down this path that from Dave's 2534 02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:38.120 old place, and I realized that wasn't the right fit 2535 02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:48.040 for me because the organization was saying, your spouse has 2536 02:30:48.200 --> 02:30:53.399 to basically stop her career. I'm gonna be blunt about 2537 02:30:53.399 --> 02:30:57.479 it because it needs to be said. She's you know, 2538 02:30:57.639 --> 02:31:00.200 I look at my you know, she's a rising rock 2539 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:05.680 star in her field global right, and you know, within 2540 02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:08.920 the the organization was saying, yeah, you know, but but 2541 02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:13.719 she has contacts and I thought I put myself in her. 2542 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:15.440 She was like, what if somebody said that to me 2543 02:31:15.719 --> 02:31:17.520 when I was in the beginning of my seill career, 2544 02:31:19.040 --> 02:31:23.719 I what I have today if I had given all that, 2545 02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:29.879 all of what I've experienced, right, And I felt like, 2546 02:31:30.239 --> 02:31:33.200 that's not fair. I got to live my career. I 2547 02:31:33.239 --> 02:31:35.520 got to do exactly what I chose to do, and 2548 02:31:35.680 --> 02:31:42.319 I had. I had a great career, and I wouldn't 2549 02:31:42.319 --> 02:31:44.879 want to put that on anybody else. So I decided, hey, 2550 02:31:44.959 --> 02:31:49.639 you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna decouple. I'm not 2551 02:31:49.639 --> 02:31:55.079 going to impose that restriction on my significant other and 2552 02:31:55.159 --> 02:31:58.600 be a support element in the meantime. So I started 2553 02:31:58.600 --> 02:32:02.799 doing you know, I see training people doing whatever. And 2554 02:32:02.879 --> 02:32:05.360 it was hard. It was really hard. It was really 2555 02:32:05.360 --> 02:32:08.399 hard because you know we're talking things were still very kinetic, 2556 02:32:08.600 --> 02:32:10.719 very going on, and we've being a coin advisor in 2557 02:32:10.719 --> 02:32:13.360 Afghanistan for a year and that was very rewarding, work 2558 02:32:13.440 --> 02:32:17.120 with Marines and working from my Crystal and betray us. 2559 02:32:17.639 --> 02:32:20.079 We didn't even talk about that. That's another podcast probably, 2560 02:32:20.120 --> 02:32:26.239 but you know, you have to like some at some point, 2561 02:32:26.280 --> 02:32:31.159 you just got to make the decision to pull the cutaway. Pillow. Yeah, right, 2562 02:32:32.120 --> 02:32:36.879 and hope you reserve opens you pull that preserve pillow 2563 02:32:37.159 --> 02:32:41.440 and thank god the rigor packed it right. I saved 2564 02:32:41.440 --> 02:32:43.959 my life, right, you know, and then you have to 2565 02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:50.360 deal with everything after that. And the transition was or 2566 02:32:50.399 --> 02:32:53.680 a challenge, but I've embraced it. And now we have 2567 02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:57.840 two wonderful children that I just adore and I my 2568 02:32:57.959 --> 02:33:02.120 wife is h a rock star and I'm just glad 2569 02:33:02.159 --> 02:33:05.000 to be her EXO and support structure. 2570 02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:10.120 And you know, we've kind of talked about that before that, 2571 02:33:10.959 --> 02:33:15.680 you know, especially for special operations, right, it's a volunteer service. 2572 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:19.840 Nobody is drafted then inspec ops like then you're volunteering 2573 02:33:20.239 --> 02:33:24.440 two times or three times and people can say thank 2574 02:33:24.479 --> 02:33:26.239 you for your service. But at the end of the day, 2575 02:33:26.280 --> 02:33:28.959 we are all doing what we love and we are living, 2576 02:33:29.399 --> 02:33:34.000 in a way, a pretty selfish life. We are. We 2577 02:33:34.040 --> 02:33:38.840 are living our dream and you know, and what gets 2578 02:33:38.959 --> 02:33:42.879 left behind are the wives and the children when we're 2579 02:33:42.920 --> 02:33:47.360 doing that, And you know, they're the ones who, you know, 2580 02:33:47.440 --> 02:33:50.200 the spouses are the ones who wonder, like what's going 2581 02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:52.399 on when we haven't been able to contact them for 2582 02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:54.760 two or three weeks at a time, right, or whatever, 2583 02:33:55.520 --> 02:33:59.799 one more question, okay, And and for you to make 2584 02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:04.559 such a I don't want to say mature because obviously 2585 02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:09.280 you're a grown man. But but what's it's a mature 2586 02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:12.559 decision to say, like, I've been living my dream and 2587 02:34:12.600 --> 02:34:15.120 now if I like, if I want to keep living 2588 02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:17.479 this thing that I've been living, then I have to 2589 02:34:17.520 --> 02:34:21.280 sort of ask my wife to stop living her dream. 2590 02:34:22.440 --> 02:34:27.840 Right, And yeah, that was a non starter. But but 2591 02:34:27.920 --> 02:34:35.159 that it's it's a uh, it's a complex thing, right. 2592 02:34:35.360 --> 02:34:38.440 I don't think I made it with the clarity I'm 2593 02:34:39.639 --> 02:34:41.959 relaying it to you, Okay, it was it was a 2594 02:34:41.959 --> 02:34:47.959 lot of unknowns. Sure, right is intuition, it's more like instinct. 2595 02:34:48.159 --> 02:34:52.040 It's like I need help, right, And I didn't even 2596 02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:54.120 know why because I was like, I know, guys who 2597 02:34:54.120 --> 02:34:58.159 did three hundred hits lost guys in their arms. You know, 2598 02:34:58.600 --> 02:35:01.840 people died in their arms. I mean I didn't have 2599 02:35:01.879 --> 02:35:06.760 that kind of had a lot of very interesting experiences, 2600 02:35:06.840 --> 02:35:09.319 I mean stuff I can't talk about right now, but 2601 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:12.600 but they weren't traumatic. So so when it came time 2602 02:35:12.639 --> 02:35:15.239 for me to deal with traumatic the aspect of like 2603 02:35:15.319 --> 02:35:17.159 I don't I mean, you know, when I'm asking people 2604 02:35:17.360 --> 02:35:20.479 when when the Sykes asked me the question, so what happened? 2605 02:35:20.559 --> 02:35:22.200 You know, what was a traumatic episode? I'm like, I 2606 02:35:22.239 --> 02:35:25.120 don't know. You know, how many people did you kill? 2607 02:35:25.159 --> 02:35:28.079 I give them a number? Right, yeah, but that doesn't 2608 02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:31.719 bother me. It's I guess I don't have you know. 2609 02:35:31.799 --> 02:35:33.520 But at the end of the day, it's like, how 2610 02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:37.280 many people did I have disappeared because of what I did? 2611 02:35:37.440 --> 02:35:40.280 Or how many people? You know? And that's the thing 2612 02:35:40.719 --> 02:35:43.920 I don't even I don't even care about that aspect. 2613 02:35:44.239 --> 02:35:47.680 The point is we end up at a point, at 2614 02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:50.319 a crossroads, and whether we understand how we got there 2615 02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.959 or not is not important. What's important is what you 2616 02:35:53.000 --> 02:35:55.079 do when you get to that why in the road 2617 02:35:55.200 --> 02:36:01.520 the crosswas and you recognize I'm lost, okay, right, and 2618 02:36:01.520 --> 02:36:03.799 and I need you know, this is the point where 2619 02:36:03.840 --> 02:36:05.760 you know, I got to ask for directions or I 2620 02:36:05.760 --> 02:36:08.200 got to ask for it, right, And you don't know 2621 02:36:08.200 --> 02:36:10.399 what that helpens, but you got to at least ask. 2622 02:36:11.440 --> 02:36:16.040 And yeah, now we get that. I mean I think that, 2623 02:36:16.200 --> 02:36:18.559 and that's been a common threat to that, like people 2624 02:36:18.600 --> 02:36:20.680 want to think that, like whether it's a poached to 2625 02:36:20.680 --> 02:36:25.479 my stress or or whatever it is that there's supposed 2626 02:36:25.479 --> 02:36:28.239 to be this big moment when your best friend died 2627 02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:31.840 in your arms or whatever, and there's not always that moment, 2628 02:36:32.040 --> 02:36:34.040 like it could be a cumulative it. 2629 02:36:33.959 --> 02:36:37.159 Can be exactly you know, it can be going from 2630 02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:40.280 one hundred miles an hour, always on the go, always 2631 02:36:40.319 --> 02:36:42.719 like living on the edge, to nothing and all of 2632 02:36:42.760 --> 02:36:46.319 a sudden like there are these like shockwaves and reverberations 2633 02:36:46.399 --> 02:36:49.920 that follow that that there's there's not a singular event. 2634 02:36:51.239 --> 02:36:56.520 What so to that point, what happens is this, this 2635 02:36:56.600 --> 02:37:01.920 is this is why I'm a big fan of and 2636 02:37:01.959 --> 02:37:06.680 You're Human some other folks podcasts. There's a chemical change 2637 02:37:06.680 --> 02:37:10.120 that happens in your body when you're constantly used to 2638 02:37:10.319 --> 02:37:14.120 being in a high, high stress environment and performing at 2639 02:37:14.120 --> 02:37:18.200 a high level. Your body changes. Your body chemistry changes. Okay, 2640 02:37:18.799 --> 02:37:22.639 your quarter's all level changes. You're you know, you're you're hurt. 2641 02:37:23.159 --> 02:37:24.760 There's so many things, I mean, and you used to 2642 02:37:24.760 --> 02:37:27.200 find at night and sleeping there in the day, you're 2643 02:37:27.840 --> 02:37:30.879 taking an ambient you're you know, you're doing amphetamines to 2644 02:37:30.920 --> 02:37:34.159 do whatever or whatever on occasion. But at the end 2645 02:37:34.159 --> 02:37:37.280 of the day, you just used to a different body chemistry. 2646 02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:41.879 Your body chemistry physical actually changes and then you come 2647 02:37:41.920 --> 02:37:48.360 back to to a normal life, so to speak, and 2648 02:37:48.440 --> 02:37:51.959 you're challenged by that because now all of a sudden, 2649 02:37:52.079 --> 02:37:54.360 everything about you. You know, you look across the street, 2650 02:37:54.680 --> 02:37:57.680 different activity, You walk into a grocery store, you're checking 2651 02:37:57.680 --> 02:38:01.719 your corners, you know, where's the exits? Okay, what's this 2652 02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:04.559 driver going to do? You know, all these things that 2653 02:38:04.680 --> 02:38:09.600 happened that it's it's part of a chemistry thing. And uh, 2654 02:38:11.799 --> 02:38:13.920 you know we all we all have to deal with 2655 02:38:13.959 --> 02:38:17.680 that in some way or another, oh to some another. 2656 02:38:17.760 --> 02:38:21.079 And you don't you think that you're can complete control 2657 02:38:21.159 --> 02:38:24.520 or command of yourself. And and then you're faced with 2658 02:38:24.600 --> 02:38:26.840 these and you realize one day that you know, you're 2659 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:29.719 barking at your wife, you're you know, you're doing all 2660 02:38:29.760 --> 02:38:35.159 this weird ship, you're hyper vigilant, whatever it is. 2661 02:38:34.239 --> 02:38:36.879 Alcohol, pulling people out of their cars on the road. 2662 02:38:37.079 --> 02:38:39.399 You know, yeah, whatever happens. 2663 02:38:39.799 --> 02:38:42.600 I mean, you know you're getting angry folks, or you're 2664 02:38:42.600 --> 02:38:47.959 just thinking. You know, I could go on, But the 2665 02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:51.120 point is it's not you're fucked up. It's that you've 2666 02:38:51.120 --> 02:38:53.959 also been If you know, over twenty five years, you've 2667 02:38:54.000 --> 02:38:58.920 been conditioned your body chemistry has changed your neurological aspect 2668 02:38:58.959 --> 02:39:02.040 of your life. You know, you can't want you know, 2669 02:39:02.399 --> 02:39:05.399 the guys that took down took down captain you know, 2670 02:39:05.799 --> 02:39:09.399 rescued Captain Phillips. You know, forty eight hours later they're 2671 02:39:09.479 --> 02:39:13.920 driving through you know the drive through it at talk about. 2672 02:39:13.799 --> 02:39:16.399 Right, right, right, it's right. 2673 02:39:16.440 --> 02:39:19.120 You just shot some guy in the face and forty 2674 02:39:19.120 --> 02:39:20.600 hours later, you're. 2675 02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:24.399 Right in a world that doesn't I mean, thankfully I'm 2676 02:39:24.440 --> 02:39:26.639 not like putting civilians down for that, but but have 2677 02:39:26.879 --> 02:39:29.559 no concept of that. You want you went from bagdad 2678 02:39:29.600 --> 02:39:32.799 to your living room right right, or or the Hooters 2679 02:39:32.920 --> 02:39:36.280 or or the you know, you know, scissor or whatever. Yeah, 2680 02:39:36.399 --> 02:39:40.319 exactly what's what's the last question here? The last question? 2681 02:39:40.399 --> 02:39:42.520 Thank you for Laurence Us for both the donations. Is 2682 02:39:42.559 --> 02:39:46.280 there any credibility to the rumors of the Kandahar Giant 2683 02:39:47.040 --> 02:39:50.399 and the Taliban fighters needing eight to nine bullets to 2684 02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:58.479 go down due to captive goon or other substances beats? 2685 02:39:58.799 --> 02:40:02.360 Yeah, even know how to answer that. I will tell 2686 02:40:02.360 --> 02:40:11.200 you this that as far as Afghanistan goes, when a 2687 02:40:11.280 --> 02:40:17.959 year ago, when things were going sideways in Afghanistan, I 2688 02:40:18.000 --> 02:40:29.000 felt very betrayed as a US service member who watched 2689 02:40:29.040 --> 02:40:33.280 a lot of h who knows of I mean, I've 2690 02:40:33.280 --> 02:40:37.559 been to too many funerals, right, And when that happened, 2691 02:40:37.600 --> 02:40:42.360 I jumped on the the veproo bandwagon to help get 2692 02:40:42.559 --> 02:40:53.559 get folks out and to speak to the the issues 2693 02:40:53.600 --> 02:41:01.680 of of PTSD. I feel like betrayal is something that 2694 02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:06.280 people need to understand, need to check out. You know, 2695 02:41:06.319 --> 02:41:10.680 when when you're when you sign up your defend the constitution, 2696 02:41:11.079 --> 02:41:13.319 carry out the orders of the day, you know, blah 2697 02:41:13.319 --> 02:41:16.840 blah blah, and you want to do your job. You 2698 02:41:16.920 --> 02:41:20.280 kind of don't care, but you don't want what you 2699 02:41:20.319 --> 02:41:26.920 do to be completely meaningless discountant, right, you know, it's worthless. 2700 02:41:27.000 --> 02:41:32.520 And as far as that you know, mean type of 2701 02:41:32.600 --> 02:41:47.600 question goes, people should recognize that when young Americans, I 2702 02:41:47.600 --> 02:41:52.079 mean the thirteen Marines and and all, I share something 2703 02:41:52.120 --> 02:41:55.600 in common with the fifteen Marines that died in Okay HK. 2704 02:41:57.799 --> 02:42:01.079 They did that because they're looking at they believe in 2705 02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:03.200 what they're doing, they believed in their brotherhood, they believe 2706 02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:09.120 in you know, and and represent the United States as 2707 02:42:10.040 --> 02:42:18.559 a true speaking of hope, and every now and then 2708 02:42:18.600 --> 02:42:23.920 we need to take a reset and recognize that. But 2709 02:42:24.159 --> 02:42:26.360 if we don't, we don't have those values anymore. You 2710 02:42:26.399 --> 02:42:29.559 know what's going to pull that boy right? 2711 02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:33.200 And you know, it's interesting because our veterans have always 2712 02:42:33.239 --> 02:42:36.440 sort of led the charging that from Vietnam, like bringing 2713 02:42:36.479 --> 02:42:42.479 home the Vietnamese, bringing Jim Morris, the Vietnamese, the mountain 2714 02:42:42.600 --> 02:42:46.520 yards and nuns that that sacrifice so much to work 2715 02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:51.040 with us, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, like the Kurds during 2716 02:42:51.079 --> 02:42:54.600 the first Gold four we we completely left them to 2717 02:42:54.680 --> 02:42:57.760 their own devices after they trusted us so much. It 2718 02:42:59.399 --> 02:43:07.360 you know, it's easy to blame Au a politician for 2719 02:43:07.440 --> 02:43:11.000 those issues, but it seems to be a trend of 2720 02:43:11.000 --> 02:43:15.000 of of the American government, like in generally it takes 2721 02:43:15.280 --> 02:43:21.200 the veterans that worked with with those indigenous forces to 2722 02:43:21.200 --> 02:43:25.319 to like lead the charge on getting them sanctuary. 2723 02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:28.600 Uh, Drew, could could you talk to us a little 2724 02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:32.200 bit about what you're doing now, some of the things 2725 02:43:32.239 --> 02:43:33.680 you have planned for the future. 2726 02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:37.280 What what what what's the next step? What's the next 2727 02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:37.799 move for you? 2728 02:43:39.120 --> 02:43:46.360 Yeah? Thanks Jack for again just being a maestrom. Yeah, 2729 02:43:46.399 --> 02:43:48.600 so I've I've kind of like tried to, oh say, 2730 02:43:48.639 --> 02:43:56.600 I got out as an impost a lieutenant right to 2731 02:43:56.719 --> 02:44:00.680 be a commissioned officer in the Navy U as a 2732 02:44:00.680 --> 02:44:05.559 well as a mustang. To retire as an officer, you 2733 02:44:05.559 --> 02:44:10.399 have to do ten years as in service. Right now. 2734 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:12.840 I was. I was. I was pretty banged up. By 2735 02:44:12.840 --> 02:44:16.520 the time I got out. I'd had like four shoulder surgeries, 2736 02:44:16.559 --> 02:44:22.159 a couple of knee surgeries, uh, ankle plates, a bunch 2737 02:44:22.200 --> 02:44:25.159 of other stuff. And when it came time to retire, 2738 02:44:25.200 --> 02:44:27.239 I was like, I was all thinking about, Hey, I'm 2739 02:44:27.239 --> 02:44:30.719 gonna go and uh work for Wexford, work for AWG, 2740 02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:33.399 do this and that. You know, you gotta make money. 2741 02:44:34.959 --> 02:44:37.719 And when it came time to retire, I was doing 2742 02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:42.319 my out physical and I was pretty pretty apped up. 2743 02:44:42.520 --> 02:44:46.319 And my squadron surgeon, to his credit, said, hey, you know, 2744 02:44:46.440 --> 02:44:49.600 you ever thought about a medical retirement, Like, well, that's 2745 02:44:49.639 --> 02:44:53.799 for guys that got blown up or whatever. That's not 2746 02:44:53.879 --> 02:44:57.959 for me, because now you're you know, the definition is 2747 02:44:58.120 --> 02:45:00.399 can you do your job right? So any one thing 2748 02:45:00.520 --> 02:45:04.639 went another. So he helped me do a med board 2749 02:45:04.879 --> 02:45:08.000 medical retirement board, and it just didn't turn out that 2750 02:45:08.079 --> 02:45:09.799 I was. I was pretty apped up. 2751 02:45:09.840 --> 02:45:15.239 I was yeah, I mean granted, yeah, yeah. 2752 02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:19.559 Steroids and and motrin and and p RP injections. 2753 02:45:19.799 --> 02:45:25.559 Yeah, one to another and right, what's that little vitamin 2754 02:45:25.920 --> 02:45:27.520 M to get you through your day? 2755 02:45:27.920 --> 02:45:32.639 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I was living on. So I did 2756 02:45:32.719 --> 02:45:36.520 a med board and I, you know, the medical board said, yeah, 2757 02:45:36.559 --> 02:45:40.399 you're you're pretty fucked up, dude, We're gonna medically retire. Well, 2758 02:45:40.440 --> 02:45:43.920 I got twenty two plus years of servicing. How's that 2759 02:45:44.000 --> 02:45:47.639 going to work? So what I thought was going to 2760 02:45:47.719 --> 02:45:49.639 happen is because I wasn't going to do the ten 2761 02:45:49.719 --> 02:45:51.600 years as an officer, I was going to have to 2762 02:45:51.680 --> 02:45:55.799 revert back to master chief. Right, So the poor unit, 2763 02:45:55.840 --> 02:45:58.479 they're like thinking, they're planning my retirement as a master chief. 2764 02:45:58.680 --> 02:46:00.399 I had to buy the uniform, the whole thing. And 2765 02:46:00.479 --> 02:46:03.440 then you know, bum Ed comes back and says, oh, no, 2766 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:06.280 we're going to retire. When you get medically retired, you 2767 02:46:06.440 --> 02:46:09.680 retire at the highest pay grade or the highest frank yet. 2768 02:46:11.239 --> 02:46:14.000 So for like nine months I was at E nine 2769 02:46:15.200 --> 02:46:17.079 and then all of a sudden, it was back to three. 2770 02:46:17.959 --> 02:46:24.559 So I retired as a three. That was the best 2771 02:46:24.600 --> 02:46:28.680 thing that could happen. So I retired with one hundred 2772 02:46:28.680 --> 02:46:33.520 percent of disability for a number of reasons, not the 2773 02:46:33.600 --> 02:46:35.920 least of which was the things we've been talking about, 2774 02:46:36.760 --> 02:46:39.920 amongst the physical subject. But I went back to school, 2775 02:46:40.520 --> 02:46:45.200 got used my gibil, got got my degree in history, 2776 02:46:45.520 --> 02:46:47.719 abassadors into history, and then I got to master's in 2777 02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:53.079 International affairs, and you know, turn my life for round. 2778 02:46:53.319 --> 02:46:56.280 So I'm not sure if I I'm on track for 2779 02:46:56.559 --> 02:46:59.639 answering your question, Jack, refreshment my memory. 2780 02:46:59.399 --> 02:47:06.079 But you're on track and taking care of your kids, uh, 2781 02:47:06.559 --> 02:47:09.319 being a family man. And you told me that you 2782 02:47:09.360 --> 02:47:11.000 want to start a podcast. 2783 02:47:10.680 --> 02:47:14.399 Right yeah, show show is in. The next step was like, 2784 02:47:14.479 --> 02:47:15.799 what am I going to do with myself? How do 2785 02:47:15.879 --> 02:47:18.959 I reinvent myself? And I struggled with the whole you know, 2786 02:47:19.360 --> 02:47:23.520 ICEE World, Paramilitary, World, Case Officer World, all that kind 2787 02:47:23.520 --> 02:47:26.719 of stuff, and uh, you know, meanwhile, these I have 2788 02:47:26.840 --> 02:47:30.239 these two great kids. You know, I'm I'm blessed by 2789 02:47:30.360 --> 02:47:37.440 God to you know, meet this woman who's so intelligent, 2790 02:47:38.639 --> 02:47:42.239 I mean, uh, and and we have two wonderful children. 2791 02:47:42.360 --> 02:47:45.360 And then suddenly I realized I had this wonderful opportunity 2792 02:47:45.440 --> 02:47:50.840 to to raise kids and be present. I know so 2793 02:47:51.079 --> 02:47:57.319 many friends on both sides army and maybe who in 2794 02:47:57.399 --> 02:48:01.280 their in their weren't presentn't able to be present because 2795 02:48:01.280 --> 02:48:05.680 they had career conflicts and then you know, their families 2796 02:48:06.600 --> 02:48:08.719 were challenged by that. And if it wasn't for their 2797 02:48:09.000 --> 02:48:12.680 you know, real strong spouse or or whatnot, you know, 2798 02:48:12.920 --> 02:48:16.959 that was that determined the success. But back to you know, 2799 02:48:17.079 --> 02:48:22.120 now I've got this opportunity, and very recently I realized 2800 02:48:22.159 --> 02:48:26.319 that I think what I I would like to pursue 2801 02:48:26.680 --> 02:48:30.280 is you know, the kind of the vet TV version 2802 02:48:30.399 --> 02:48:36.840 of what we've all learned from being in special operations 2803 02:48:37.000 --> 02:48:41.879 and having families, you know, how the lessons learned, the 2804 02:48:42.360 --> 02:48:44.319 pros and cons, the funny stuff. 2805 02:48:45.360 --> 02:48:45.719 And so. 2806 02:48:47.840 --> 02:48:51.840 I'm going to do some of what I call combat 2807 02:48:51.920 --> 02:48:56.520 Dad basically come you know, podcasts, and it's it's to 2808 02:48:56.600 --> 02:48:58.559 talk to vets. They don't have to be a combat 2809 02:48:58.639 --> 02:49:01.520 vetteror necessarily, but what do you you know, how do 2810 02:49:01.639 --> 02:49:04.040 you deal with family issues? How do you deal with 2811 02:49:04.360 --> 02:49:08.879 you know, the challenges of raising children, Like my kids 2812 02:49:08.959 --> 02:49:14.280 don't know nothing about my past. Like they're they're eight 2813 02:49:14.440 --> 02:49:17.719 and six years old, right, old man, but you know, 2814 02:49:17.879 --> 02:49:19.879 and and and they I might as well be a 2815 02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:24.440 World War two veteran, right right, yeah, But but now 2816 02:49:24.559 --> 02:49:28.120 they're asking questions, you know, yeah, And and I realized 2817 02:49:28.319 --> 02:49:30.600 all the mistakes I made, all the things I learned, 2818 02:49:31.360 --> 02:49:33.479 all the things that had I been a good dad 2819 02:49:33.680 --> 02:49:36.000 before or in the military, I would have been a 2820 02:49:36.079 --> 02:49:36.959 better leader. 2821 02:49:37.079 --> 02:49:40.000 Right right, And and how does it feel as a 2822 02:49:40.200 --> 02:49:43.760 dad when when your kids just won't follow the chain 2823 02:49:43.840 --> 02:49:44.319 of command? 2824 02:49:45.040 --> 02:49:50.239 Oh jeez, when you when when you realize this, this 2825 02:49:50.399 --> 02:49:52.840 is part of the back next story to you headstrong 2826 02:49:52.959 --> 02:49:56.000 and getting help, right when you get in the grill. 2827 02:49:56.600 --> 02:49:59.840 You're getting your kids grill and you're like blah blah 2828 02:49:59.840 --> 02:50:02.120 bla right, and they're like. 2829 02:50:03.959 --> 02:50:08.280 Crying, And did I not lay out my task conditions 2830 02:50:08.319 --> 02:50:09.719 and standards for this task? 2831 02:50:10.319 --> 02:50:14.079 What is the problem? Here's the commander's intent here. You're 2832 02:50:14.159 --> 02:50:17.360 left the right limits, get the get the fuck done. 2833 02:50:17.920 --> 02:50:20.639 And you try everything right, like, okay, if you make 2834 02:50:20.680 --> 02:50:22.360 your bed, you get to put the green check mark 2835 02:50:22.440 --> 02:50:25.520 on the magnetic board. If you do at the end 2836 02:50:25.520 --> 02:50:27.239 of the week, we tell you all that ship up 2837 02:50:27.280 --> 02:50:30.360 and get you get to have you know, if you 2838 02:50:30.559 --> 02:50:33.680 if you met the standard, you get to have moving in. Well, 2839 02:50:34.920 --> 02:50:38.680 that sounds great, right, but it doesn't work right And 2840 02:50:38.760 --> 02:50:45.399 then you realize is a matter of me not trying 2841 02:50:45.440 --> 02:50:48.120 to overanalyze it, but just sitting there grabbing my kid 2842 02:50:48.360 --> 02:50:49.639 and put my arm around him. 2843 02:50:51.000 --> 02:50:56.799 But Drew, have you tried the the the dunk test? 2844 02:50:56.920 --> 02:50:59.840 I mean you have you tried them? And the start 2845 02:51:01.040 --> 02:51:06.000 the test with that round? Are taking the circle? Like 2846 02:51:06.440 --> 02:51:07.760 maybe that'll get them in line? 2847 02:51:09.719 --> 02:51:13.040 The pubm is it's not them, it's me, right, I 2848 02:51:13.159 --> 02:51:18.120 don't Yeah, it's it's uh. You realize it's like you know, 2849 02:51:19.760 --> 02:51:22.639 garbage and garbage out and and when you think you're 2850 02:51:22.680 --> 02:51:27.440 they're not paying attention, they are, you know. So I 2851 02:51:27.799 --> 02:51:30.319 just I just want to just say I'm blessed to 2852 02:51:30.399 --> 02:51:33.680 have the opportunity to be president. Fact the fact that 2853 02:51:33.799 --> 02:51:38.319 I can I get to be mister mom. Yeah, yeah, 2854 02:51:39.000 --> 02:51:39.600 I'm blessed. 2855 02:51:39.719 --> 02:51:39.879 Man. 2856 02:51:40.040 --> 02:51:42.479 I just I can't tell you I learned more from 2857 02:51:42.479 --> 02:51:46.520 my kids than than than anything. So I have no complaints. 2858 02:51:49.399 --> 02:51:52.399 Dad is coming the podcast? Do you do you have 2859 02:51:52.600 --> 02:51:53.639 a channel for that? 2860 02:51:53.799 --> 02:51:55.799 Because we want to like we want to like hook 2861 02:51:55.879 --> 02:51:58.239 you up like like we want to we want our 2862 02:51:58.319 --> 02:52:02.000 viewers to raid your very first podcast and and make 2863 02:52:02.120 --> 02:52:05.600 you like, you know, unlike us with our first with 2864 02:52:05.760 --> 02:52:09.200 our ten viewers on our first podcast, us getting drunk 2865 02:52:09.239 --> 02:52:12.319 and and whatnot, like how can we help you make 2866 02:52:12.399 --> 02:52:12.840 it happen? 2867 02:52:14.920 --> 02:52:19.559 I wish i'd had the combat dads is coming. Uh, 2868 02:52:20.479 --> 02:52:22.760 you know, maybe we can do a like a shorty 2869 02:52:23.280 --> 02:52:27.799 in the future, Okay, and I'll give you the links. Also, 2870 02:52:28.000 --> 02:52:32.200 Ajax Shrugged on Locals is going to be a link 2871 02:52:32.239 --> 02:52:34.399 you can post. That's where I'm gonna talk about more 2872 02:52:34.399 --> 02:52:34.959 serious stuff. 2873 02:52:35.360 --> 02:52:38.000 Great, Yeah, let me let us know where the podcast 2874 02:52:38.079 --> 02:52:40.399 comes at. And I would love to direct people. We 2875 02:52:40.760 --> 02:52:43.280 will plug the hell out of you. We love you 2876 02:52:43.399 --> 02:52:45.520 and we you know, we wish you all the success 2877 02:52:45.879 --> 02:52:47.000 and it's an important topic. 2878 02:52:47.280 --> 02:52:50.280 And Drew, I know, I know, we kind of just 2879 02:52:50.399 --> 02:52:53.399 sort of like hit like the wave tops of your 2880 02:52:53.559 --> 02:52:56.440 career here and there's so much more to talk about. 2881 02:52:56.879 --> 02:52:59.079 But we've kept you for like three hours here at 2882 02:52:59.120 --> 02:53:01.959 this point, and I really appreciate you being so patient 2883 02:53:02.040 --> 02:53:04.520 with us and coming back on a Saturday to do 2884 02:53:04.639 --> 02:53:05.000 the show. 2885 02:53:06.280 --> 02:53:09.360 It's been great. It's been a great conversation. Man, my pleasure. 2886 02:53:09.440 --> 02:53:09.600 Dude. 2887 02:53:11.239 --> 02:53:15.399 We have one last question that came in and it's 2888 02:53:15.440 --> 02:53:16.959 from love start and thank you very much. 2889 02:53:17.040 --> 02:53:20.200 And guys, please, we're not accepting anymore, like we don't 2890 02:53:20.200 --> 02:53:22.440 want you to like give us what will take you money, 2891 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:24.239 but we won't be able to ask you more questions. 2892 02:53:24.239 --> 02:53:29.559 As for this, many new school labor unions are using 2893 02:53:30.319 --> 02:53:33.879 uw unconvincial warfare tactics to conduct collective bargaining. 2894 02:53:34.959 --> 02:53:40.200 How do you feel about homegrown submersion? Homegrown subversus challenge 2895 02:53:40.479 --> 02:53:46.520 authority with an asymmetrical mindset, Sorry late questions, and that 2896 02:53:46.639 --> 02:53:55.319 could be like any from from any angle and homegrown subverses, 2897 02:53:55.399 --> 02:53:59.879 but also challenging authority, which you know, so go ahead please, okay. 2898 02:54:00.079 --> 02:54:05.360 So one of the things I learned, Yeah, you know 2899 02:54:05.399 --> 02:54:07.239 all we all come into the military, we all have 2900 02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:14.239 our preconceived ideas of what we want to accomplish, and 2901 02:54:14.319 --> 02:54:18.920 then reality sets in over time. I did fourteen deployments, right, 2902 02:54:20.600 --> 02:54:23.719 not every one of them was combat, but but hm 2903 02:54:24.120 --> 02:54:26.879 at least you know, many of them. Ten of them 2904 02:54:26.920 --> 02:54:33.239 were you know, high threat slash, you know whatever. What 2905 02:54:33.440 --> 02:54:36.680 you What you learned from that kind of repetition is 2906 02:54:37.639 --> 02:54:40.360 to recognize not what you think, but what you see. 2907 02:54:40.799 --> 02:54:44.959 You know, get to give the ground truth, and sometimes 2908 02:54:45.000 --> 02:54:51.040 the ground truth doesn't dovetail with the commanders intent. So 2909 02:54:53.399 --> 02:54:59.920 I would say maybe to answer this question, you got 2910 02:55:00.079 --> 02:55:04.879 to dig deeper than the surface level of you know. 2911 02:55:04.959 --> 02:55:09.440 How that applies to domestic aspects I'm I'm inferring. I'm 2912 02:55:09.479 --> 02:55:13.440 assuming that's what's we're talking about, right, I don't even 2913 02:55:13.479 --> 02:55:13.639 know that. 2914 02:55:13.840 --> 02:55:20.680 Yeah, I'm assuming that because it's homegrowns versus I'm assuming 2915 02:55:20.719 --> 02:55:21.959 we're speaking domestically. 2916 02:55:22.559 --> 02:55:26.799 Yeah. So, having seen what an insurgency is, having seen 2917 02:55:26.959 --> 02:55:29.760 what counter you know, what terrorists cells of like having 2918 02:55:29.799 --> 02:55:32.200 to sell this stuff, we're not seeing any of that 2919 02:55:32.760 --> 02:55:37.840 level of stuff in the United States. I'm confidently I 2920 02:55:37.879 --> 02:55:42.520 can tell you there is not that level of concern 2921 02:55:42.959 --> 02:55:46.920 in the United States. There are people that are disgruntled, 2922 02:55:47.280 --> 02:55:51.360 they're upset, and you know, they're making their their note. 2923 02:55:51.799 --> 02:55:55.319 But but the actual scale or scope of folks that 2924 02:55:55.440 --> 02:55:58.120 need to be dealt with on the on you know, 2925 02:55:58.239 --> 02:55:59.399 that are being compared to. 2926 02:56:01.000 --> 02:56:03.600 You know, other uh. 2927 02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:10.600 Other elements is incorrect, right, And it's it's unfortunate that 2928 02:56:10.920 --> 02:56:16.639 that narrative is being, in my opinion, being promoted. It's 2929 02:56:16.680 --> 02:56:21.639 a it's a propaganda slash political type disinformation. As far 2930 02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:25.200 as I'm concerned, now, are the people that that have 2931 02:56:25.399 --> 02:56:29.040 those intents? Are those thoughts absolutely right? Is it? But 2932 02:56:29.280 --> 02:56:34.079 is it wide scale enough to be considered prevalent to 2933 02:56:34.159 --> 02:56:39.719 be considered you know, an insurgency or or something to 2934 02:56:39.760 --> 02:56:43.120 be concerned about. I ya, it's not. It's not like a. 2935 02:56:45.120 --> 02:56:47.840 Right and I mean I was a coin. 2936 02:56:47.719 --> 02:56:50.399 Advisor in Afghanistan, right, And at the end of the day, 2937 02:56:50.479 --> 02:56:55.360 it's like, I know counterinsurgency stuff like you know, as 2938 02:56:55.440 --> 02:56:57.159 well as I know how to kill that guys. 2939 02:56:57.200 --> 02:57:00.000 So right, and coin and coin is counter in certain 2940 02:57:00.280 --> 02:57:03.760 for for our people who may not know and and 2941 02:57:03.959 --> 02:57:08.239 so like what people may see whether their their you know, 2942 02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:10.680 whether their viewpoint is from the left or the right, 2943 02:57:10.840 --> 02:57:12.799 like they see the far right, they see the far left, 2944 02:57:12.840 --> 02:57:15.840 and they see sort of this propaganda and this information 2945 02:57:16.040 --> 02:57:21.239 that is sort of being put out there. But but 2946 02:57:21.440 --> 02:57:24.360 what you're saying, is it that's more of an information 2947 02:57:24.719 --> 02:57:28.520 war that it's not that the effort or or the 2948 02:57:28.639 --> 02:57:32.200 ground gained is not similar to what you would actually 2949 02:57:32.319 --> 02:57:35.200 see an accounter uncertainty from either side. 2950 02:57:35.840 --> 02:57:40.200 Yeah, is that fair the mass? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean, 2951 02:57:40.399 --> 02:57:43.879 I mean there's this We could do a whole podcast 2952 02:57:44.040 --> 02:57:50.360 on counter uncertainty aspects. But at the end of the day, 2953 02:57:50.520 --> 02:57:54.319 this is garbage and garbage out. If someone's telling you 2954 02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:58.360 something and you choose to believe it without without challenging 2955 02:57:58.440 --> 02:58:04.239 the source or or doing your own due diligence, then 2956 02:58:04.280 --> 02:58:07.680 you're just you're just you know, sheep at the end. 2957 02:58:07.799 --> 02:58:11.760 You know, in my opinion, are we at a difficult 2958 02:58:11.760 --> 02:58:16.520 time in our country. Absolutely, we're polarized. We need to 2959 02:58:16.600 --> 02:58:19.799 go back to civility. We need to work hard on, 2960 02:58:20.280 --> 02:58:24.239 you know, taking care of our neighbors, our neighborhood, our 2961 02:58:24.360 --> 02:58:28.959 cities right, our counties, right, and finding common ground because 2962 02:58:29.000 --> 02:58:31.760 we all share ninety percent of the same common grounds. 2963 02:58:32.040 --> 02:58:35.760 Right, So most people are just trying to put putting 2964 02:58:35.760 --> 02:58:38.200 there table, make sure the kids are saved in schools, 2965 02:58:38.280 --> 02:58:41.799 like like they're trying to live a normal life, while 2966 02:58:42.680 --> 02:58:45.079 a small minority on each side is sort of controlling 2967 02:58:45.600 --> 02:58:47.319 the dialogue in a way. 2968 02:58:48.079 --> 02:58:51.680 Right. Yeah, you know I want to you know, be 2969 02:58:51.840 --> 02:58:56.040 fair to your audience to so you know I could 2970 02:58:56.079 --> 02:58:58.159 I could tell war stories all day, right, you know 2971 02:58:58.920 --> 02:59:01.920 there was and maybe that's man, that's better. But but 2972 02:59:03.440 --> 02:59:06.399 we're all Americans and we need to like look for 2973 02:59:06.520 --> 02:59:09.920 common ground and take care of your neighbors, you know, 2974 02:59:10.319 --> 02:59:12.680 pay attention to who lives next door to you, you know, 2975 02:59:13.440 --> 02:59:16.600 you know what what's going on, and just be a 2976 02:59:16.639 --> 02:59:17.120 good person. 2977 02:59:17.600 --> 02:59:22.239 Yeah, Drew, I really appreciate your time tonight. Yeah, And 2978 02:59:22.840 --> 02:59:24.920 I hope we can do this again sometime. I hope 2979 02:59:24.959 --> 02:59:28.440 we can talk you into joining us in Brooklyn sometime, 2980 02:59:28.719 --> 02:59:30.719 if you care, if you if you care to join 2981 02:59:30.799 --> 02:59:32.239 the evil Empire. 2982 02:59:32.440 --> 02:59:33.840 Yea, at some point. 2983 02:59:34.719 --> 02:59:37.799 My wife, my wife just took my son. She's taking 2984 02:59:37.879 --> 02:59:40.120 my daughter, my son up to New York twice now. 2985 02:59:40.280 --> 02:59:43.959 She she does these getaways, right, yeah, yeah, one on one. 2986 02:59:44.600 --> 02:59:46.520 Let us let us know, Drew, we'll talk. 2987 02:59:47.360 --> 02:59:50.799 Yeah. And I keep saying I don't want to go 2988 02:59:50.840 --> 02:59:51.639 to Manhattan again. 2989 02:59:52.479 --> 02:59:54.360 You don't have to, You don't have to. That's the 2990 02:59:54.399 --> 02:59:54.920 beauty of it. 2991 02:59:55.280 --> 02:59:56.680 Yeah, yeah, I don't. 2992 02:59:56.840 --> 02:59:59.840 My heart broken into yeah you know. Yeah, Well we'll 2993 02:59:59.840 --> 03:00:03.000 get you an uber. Yeah yeah, leave your leave your 2994 03:00:03.079 --> 03:00:06.079 car and a secure garage. We'll get you an uber 2995 03:00:06.680 --> 03:00:08.440 and uh yeah so folks. 2996 03:00:08.719 --> 03:00:12.239 Next next Friday, Chris Cox, author of fire Force uh 2997 03:00:12.360 --> 03:00:13.959 served the Rhodesian Light Infantry. 2998 03:00:14.120 --> 03:00:16.680 We'll have him on the show. Drew, thank you so much, 2999 03:00:17.319 --> 03:00:20.879 Thank you everyone for we deeply deeply appreciate you coming on. 3000 03:00:21.000 --> 03:00:24.360 Everybody will we'll keep it a lookout for combat dads 3001 03:00:24.600 --> 03:00:28.319 and and Atlas not stro shrug a jack. 3002 03:00:28.799 --> 03:00:31.879 All right, Well, hey, thanks guys, it's been my pleasure 3003 03:00:31.920 --> 03:00:35.200 and we'll see you next Friday, all right, brother, Thanks 3004 03:00:35.239 --> 03:00:35.600 everybody 3005 03:01:00.319 --> 03:01:00.360 A