Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: I either this whole statement here was this comes down
to Marvel and Figgy and it shows that they have
lost a step and they're planning skills and their creative
skills are not good, or they're completely lying to us.
When Kevin Faggi in this interview here revealed, well, you
know what with Kang, even before Yea, even before Man three,
we were thinking about replacing him. I was already talking
to Downey and we're thinking about you know, you know,
he could come back doctor Joomier Man. So here's the thing,
this is why it doesn't track me. I just think
it's bs. You know what. You could just say, hey,
we we did it. That's one thing. I think he
did kind of cough to some stuff, but he never,
of course just said like yeah we did that just
didn't work. I think it's easy to say, hey, we
were doing Kang. I suppose, right, that's a Hogan level life.
You'll don't know a whole Cogan notorious liar. He'll literally
be like, yeah, I wrestled this guy in Japan, that Cogan.
You weren't even Japan that year, Like what are you
talking about? Like just say hey, we were doing the Craatestuf,
we did ant Man, we did low Key, and then
we're seeing where we're going. We thought, ah, the story
just wasn't what we hoped, and then the real life
situation happened and we thought, let's just go a different route.
He never actually says the word Jonathan Majors. He refers
to him as the Kang actor or Kang. He never
undertow word Jonathan Majors any of these interviews.
Speaker 3: Pro he's a pro.
Speaker 2: He is a pro. But at the same time, his
proneness has made him look dumb because so you're telling
me if me and Curricle are making ant Man, and
I don't believe this right, but let's say I'm all
for Kang and who knows where I am. I'm giving
Foggy whatever conversation starts in kurklings my second command or
he's foggy regardless, and we're just feeling like, you know what,
we've seen the cut of ant Man, and which is
weird because ant Man three did not get reviewed well.
But everybody was like, man Majors, you know, take out
all this stuff that happened real, what's up? Just art?
Everyone's like, Man Majors is fucking awesome and we can't
wait to see more of them. Same thing with Loki.
In that finale, he was like, man, Major's delivered. So
it's like, I find that hard to believe that when
he was getting praise us. But that's okay. Fine, Let's
say even then they saw his reports, but are they
Gang's not working? Two things. One, the end credit of
the movie is millions of Kangs together on the planet.
If you have any inkling in your fucking gut, you're
not gonna go with Kang. You'd be like, you know what,
one Anacret's fine, Let's just go to that because I
think the other I think the two nd credits, wasn't
it like the thousands of Kanks? And wasn't it low
key back in time seeing Victor timely? Right? Yeah, so
just keep at that and say, hey, you know what,
I don't know about that. But they're already filming Loki
season two, right, So it's like that's a good enough
set up. He's getting me in season two he can
be like maybe a big bad we can decide, let's
keep the Loki one in. That's fine. This one where
it's showing an army of Kangs you know what, let's
cut that we would have never known. It just would
have been a rumor. One end, multiple multiple m sumies
only have one credit scene. It would not have felt
weird to just some of them won't have any So
what if not felt any of all? We just thought, Okay,
Kang's back in Loki season two, and guess what in
Loki season two they beat King and the end of
the story and you can go, oh, and then you
can say, well, we're doing doom and this is the
plan the whole time. But the problem is you put
the end cret in there, and you know what the
biggest problem is as well, you released a whole slate
and what was the first Avengers movie called Kang Dynasty.
It wasn't hey, we're doing the Avengers, you know, uh,
they's just say it was Avengers Secret Wars and Kings Villain.
And then you could said, you know what, we're writing
the story and we just felt doom work better. Here
you called the movie King Dynasty. That's where for me
this was like, that's where some of the white flag waving.
I started to question some of the other things he said,
because it's like, there's no way you're telling me before
am and three, you're ever questioning King was gonna switch up?
Like that's fine, switch it up, but don't just like
just say like yeah that real life stuff. Some of
the story stuff. We just wanted to pivot. We love
doctor Doom, we love Downy, we thought let's go this way.
It just that just it feels like you're trying to
be clear, you're trying to out Smartnest, but we're all
it feels like a kid lie when it's like oh yeah,
it was always it's yeah, I just the BS meter
was through the roof on this one when I read well,
we were already thinking about getting rid of Kang.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, this was uh, this one got me chuckling.
It's funny. It was especially in the list of notes
you sent me, like just above, this was something else
I thought. I was just like, yeah, okay, okay, tough talker, okay,
mister Kevin Foggy. And then he follows on with the
Kang was going to be replaced by Dum even before
the major's controversy.
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: As if like, for all the reasons that you just listed,
like you literally had your first big Avengers title called
Kang Dynasty, Like, come on, don't don't bullshit a bullshitter,
Kevin Paggy, You're.
Speaker 3: Not winning that battle. I get it. He kind of
has to say that to Actually, I don't even think
he has to say that everyone.
Speaker 2: Understood the guy who knows what happened, But the guy
got at least a couple counts guilty of assaulting a woman,
assaulting some of me was dating. You can understand why
Disney the family brand might want to go, well, let's
not do that. And granted this other people. I bring up,
people bring up other people, but this is fresh. It's
not like Brolin, which you know, I feel eever you
want to, but Brolin had similar things in his past,
but that was like a decade plus ago, and then
you can do the whole wall I've changed, and so
that whether it's true or not, for it to still
be happening at that time, it's very like they had
an out. They they the out is there, Uh you know,
and I guess you could say why didn't you recast?
But then you could have just said, hey, while that
was happening, we were talking about what are some other ideas?
And someone had a great pitch for Doom and we
decided to go that route. That's what you just say.
You say, Hey, the kank stuff we had was great,
but someone pitched something that was even better. And that's
you go all like there's so many ways to say
instead of like, well, you know what, this was always
the plan we were thinking about, so like same thing.
Let's say now that happens, right, let's say nothing happens
with Majors. He's just doom. This is a real story.
He's acting his ass off, and Kevin fig can come
here behind the scenes say you know what we should
pitch him Like it's.
Speaker 3: Just not good enough?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Like sets, it's just like
like are you lying or is there big trouble over there?
Are you? Were you? Because let's say that was a plan.
You're really just gonna midway through be like yeah, let's
not do King Dynasty. Yeah what like it you know
dumb or bullshitting? Which is it? I?
Speaker 3: And like it's the type of stemn that like it
doesn't really change a lot, Like it's not like by
him saying this, like it changes my height for Doom
at all, Like like if anything, like still worried, I
feel like in his mind by pitching this, maybe he's
just putting more attention on Doom and like, well, if
you thought Kang was good, it's kind of what you
said without actually saying what you said of like you
think Kang was good, Well we've got something even better
with uh, with Downey and Doom. That's like best case
for him saying that. Maybe he's just trying to come
off as uh like super transparent to gain some respect
in that sense, because as you've already listed multiple times,
like every like many things in this interview is very
on Kevin Figs, at least comparing it to the past.
But yeah, that that one had me shake on my
head for sure. And Yeah, as we've already kind of
talked about, just seemed an unnecessary lie. It's like it's
like you're sneaking out with a friend or something. It's like,
get back, Oh, where were you guys out? Okay, It's like,
oh and we were at the gas station with with Timmy.
It's like, okay, you didn't ask, but what And then
you just keep going and going. It's like why are you, Like,
what are you doing here? You're backing yourself into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is at Timmy's place. So I called
Timmy's parents and it's like, oh different, Timmy, and it's
like no, no, just that when you're caught, you know,
it's like it just like it makes it a bigger
deal him saying that stuff. You know. But I digress.
But yeah, you preferred this earlier where yeah, they have
a new seven year plan. I don't know why the number,
but I'm guessing that's like seven years is twenty twenty eight,
so I bet that's like, you know, Doomsday, Serial Wars
and X Men and then like whatever the next era is. Fuck.
You did say he only has two years left on
that contract, So I still think he's gonna stick around.
Like I said before, if there's some fatal errors, if
there's something like one of these Avengers movies is real bad,
or something happens, maybe there's a change in the guard
I don't know. Uh. And then we did forget to
do this, Maddie asked, which I did. I tried, and
I didn't have enough telling Maddy, So I thought. We
talked about me and Kirkland, but he is something I'm
gonna rank. Hissby says top three choices to recast Captain
America and iron Man. We will for sure. Don't worry.
We'll eventually do like a fantasy draft where we just
recast the entire MU. So that's coming in an official form,
but that's so me. We'll probably wait till you know
Doomsday's secret war time. But yeah, well, let me hear
some of your picks, because I I was looking and
I couldn't find. It's tough, Like I think CAP's easier
to recast because I think Chris Sppins is a good actor,
but there's better actors. I think Stark's really tough because
I think you don't wanna you gotta have someone with
that charisma. But you also just don't want to go
a Downy clone because then they just seem lesser than
like I. I feel like they got to make him
a bit more darker. My only pitch with iron Man
was I would say you go younger, because I would
differentiate them a little bit than what down he was,
because he was like already like an older hero. I'd say,
you do young Tony Stark, you know, late twenties, early thirties,
and maybe CAP's the one that's in his like fifty forties,
because it doesn't matter. He's a super soldier seer, right,
so he can be fifty but still be kicking ass.
So but yeah, what are his choices you got, KURKLM.
Speaker 3: I did say I had choices, but they're not eight here.
I was just a lot of news were I got
a couple of fantasy realms, ones that will never happen
for different reasons, the first one being you're talking about
young Tony Stark, who better than Timothy Shallomey. Come on, now,
you know if he if he breaks his code of
actually going over to comic book films, what a casting
Come on, Paula Trades says Tony Stark Trades.
Speaker 2: You think he You think that is.
Speaker 3: Young, that's got the charisma. I feel like, I, hey,
the star chrisma. I think so. I think I think
he's just he's like water. He can just mold to
any thing.
Speaker 2: That's true. And there's sometimes when he's on those colleges,
I could see, yeah, I could see some of that. Yeah,
it's not the worst, Okay, I can walk with you.
Speaker 3: Not the best, not the best. Okay, We're we're staying
in the fantasy realm here. You know, this was a
little bit more melancholy, you know, shuts up the great
powerful Eric Dane battle in als, but in a different world,
Eric Dane as Tony Stark, come us. He could be both,
he could be both. Actually, shuts up.
Speaker 2: Eric, You probably shuts of Eric Dane. You've frow up
with the suit like the Supman draft as well. Remember
it's like he should have played like and who did
he end up playing? Fucking multiple Man. You know, these
guys had a fucking a star hero right here and
it didn't happen, you know, So okay, I Eric Dane
definitely could have I could see some fun there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brought up tonight in a different cast. But the
Great Tom Cruise also was just on my list. Is
someone to throw there for Iron Man do?
Speaker 2: To me, I think you get Tom Cruise in a
multiverse situation. If you are folks and recar in the MCU,
you can't throw that counter, no power can.
Speaker 3: This is like, this is like we went to this
multiverse for an adventure, not necessarily. This is the whole
the whole new recasting.
Speaker 2: To me, if five you were to like get let Go,
then I would see some other executive be like, yeah,
let's get Tom. That's where something happens and then like
Tom Cruise gets the power, like the same way Rock
Out with Black Adam. Like I could see something like
that where it's like, oh, we've we took a step
too far, we made some mistakes, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and the last one I'll throw for iron
Man kind of just came to mind on a different
cast that we're doing. But Paul mescal let's go, let's
get him in there. I feel like he's charismatic enough,
he's handsome. I don't like he talks very differently than
how a Robert Downey would talk, but yeah, that's Robert
Downey for you. So I I feel like I would
need like an audition tape to really be sold on it,
but as of right now, I don't know, just to
just to throw a name in the hut. Yeah, and
then I initially wrote Aaron Eckhart here, but I honestly,
I'm like, man, I wanted more for for the cap role.
Speaker 2: I think so he was he was my pick back
in the day. I don't know if the rumors were
that he Dark Knight yeah after that, because but there
were rumors he was up for it, but I don't
know if it was just back then setier rumors or
if he was actually in the realm let me see.
But I that was always my pick for Cap because
to me, Cap, when I grew up and in my
animated stuff, he always like obviously CAP's always older because like,
you know, he's hundred years old, but I mean, like
I always picture him like a little older. Uh. And
the Aaron at Cart was perfect. But I don't feel
like that was just a made up rumor or not.
Speaker 3: I feel like Cap doesn't really have like the boyish charm.
It's like man like, manly, you know, chisel jaw, Like
he's looking like a masculine figure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm down for both.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look at some of these rumors back in two thousand
and eight. Matthew mcconnie's Captain America rumor in two those
eight Marvel wants Leo as Captain America has to be
somewhere and here Ryan Warner Bros. Meeting for Ryan Gossamer
Green Lantern. Okay, maybe I will find the airneck art thing.
Let's see if I can find the hit me with
some new other ones while searching.
Speaker 3: For Captain America. Glenn Powell, of course, just the name.
Speaker 2: That was already. Yeah, I would have that too. It's
an easy, easy one. He just kind of breathes America
right now, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, give give cap like a Texas accident. Let's go.
Also had Alan Richson, which is that's going to pick
another draft pick again? Just fucking manly man. I wrote
down Chris Carmack. I don't even know who the fuck
this is. So I wrote it down a while ago.
Let's pull this guy. Let's pull this cup. See what
he looks like. I like, I haven't even seen this
guy anything. I don't know why I picked him. Okay,
I'm taking that out the list. Chris Carmack, You're gone.
Speaker 2: He didn't pass the smell test there.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's handsome, but.
Speaker 2: What who is Zach Penn? Oh this is a quote
from a writer in two thousand and so who wrote
some stuff. But man, just think about how far we
call two thousand and seven marvels Avengers movie with Ironman
Hulk coming eventually, Like that's a scoop back then. It's
just like, man, where we are in there? So yeah,
I know, like I said, we'll do more official Fantasy
draft in the future and have some time to think
about it. Because I that was a tough one man
to throat just on me to be like I like to,
you know, get some good ones and try and think
about it. But no one's sprung the mind. Kirkling had
some good picks there, but it's not like I feel
like a lot of X men. I'd be like, oh,
I can made like three people for gamm, but I
can aime you threw up a rogue cap and Tony
I'm like, no, I don't even there's anything that I'm like, oh,
this is the perfect one. Or maybe if somebody I
haven't seen yet, right, it could be someone in the
next few years.
Speaker 3: It's gonna you know, like back before we had Downy,
you probably wouldn't have picked Downy as Tony Stark.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not have the trolls Dan Stevens as iron Man.
I love Dan Stevens. That is a different it's a
different energy. Like I'm not opposed. I'd like to see
him read and be in the room. It's definitely different,
different energy. But like I said, I think you need
to do that with Downey. You don't want to do
like start or with Tony. You don't want to do
Downy light because then right away people go, oh, this
guy sucks. We want the old guy backing. So Dan
Stevens and Badly as.
Speaker 3: What Tony definitely not cap cap No.
Speaker 2: I think they missed I'm not saying they missed the
band wagon, but I think unless there's an x men,
I think Reid was. You know, I'm gonna wait to
hold it to Pedro. I think Pedro still I'm down.
I know lots of people still poo poo on the
idea I do. The Penn was like a a perfect
casting for Reid, but I think Patri gonna do Let's
just do a quick let's see fancast. Let's do a
quick Google and just see what this is out there
right now and the the Google images, because that's always
some fun stuff there, and then we'll move on to
the next thing. But madam giving your questions, sometime last
of them are always like from the eighties, like Harrison
Ford as Tony fuck man, I'll bring that up. That
would have that would have had the young Harrison is
Tony Stark. Let's go. I've seen this a couple of times.
Josh Hartnett as Tony Stark. I don't I'm more in
the camp of Josh Hartnett for the DCU Batman than
I am for this. There's just something about this that
I don't it doesn't vibe with me. What's your vibe
test here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a no.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain it, just just a
nob Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jens and Eccles, is that no? Like I Jens Eckles
is Batman this? No, I don't think so. Matt Baum.
I like Matt Balmer, but same thing. We missed the
mand Wagon. He should have been Superman in the JJ
Abrams movie and it didn't happen. These designs of Tom
Cruise as Iron for Reynolds in the seventies, Oh there
you go. You threw out there Penn with his lips. Yeah,
else we got here, anyone else? Current, lots of lots
of support for Matt Balmer. I did, don't meme on me.
They have him as cap I did think about Evans
for Tony.
Speaker 3: Evans.
Speaker 2: How's that fine with you? Or? Sorryron? Sorry?
Speaker 3: Ephron Zach as Tony as Tony Yep.
Speaker 2: I don't see it, don't see it.
Speaker 3: I just see him as like the neighbor. Is that
what it's called the neighbors?
Speaker 2: Neighbors?
Speaker 3: Yeah, neighbors or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, people really are obsessed with Tom Cruise. You know what,
I think this man can do anything can happen. Ye,
you know what.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he would like a more unhinged Tony.
Speaker 2: He's for high and how old is Robert Downey Just
fifty something sixty, so he's got that ears on him.
I I would not be opposed to uh Colin Farrell
as Tony Star. I always liked Colin Farrell being younger.
But seven cycle pass Banshee's air Sharon Penguin, I'm so
fucking excited for Big Bull beautiful journey like he is.
He's one of those he's to be like Leo where
he's better. He's like you can say one gets better,
but I really think, like you, the back half of
Colin's career is way better than the beginning. Oh yes, Phoe, absolutely,
you know what I'm not This was not bad either,
Luke Evans, he is a luck I like that. I
can I'm vibing with that one. Oh god, what's this
danger something about to pull? No, we're not doing X men.
That's a different time. Nathan fillyon, get out of here.
These are not doing that. He's already got Gardner anything else?
Speaker 3: Who's who is that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: This is like an.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Bill, No, we're not doing that? Uh? Anyone else?
Good here? No, I think we've reached the good. That
was a flash though, Yeah, which no, he's yeah, no kid, No,
I loved revolta that he couldn't even done. What about
this g L he should have given? Yeah, it's all
for doom. I'm like, is someone pitching.
Speaker 3: H Man John Hamm as Tony? Absolutely? Yeah, I see
him like more as Tony than the guy in the suit.
Speaker 2: But absolutely. But he's got a good voice though, right,
he could do that. So we'll go to captain second,
I'll get Alexander Scars. He was something that was for
sure rumored back in the day as well. I'm the
opposite I even though Northman he played that, he to
me is similarly to her Johnson, where I prefer him
in weird stuff. I feel like when he's the series
just like Tarzan lead or drama lead, it doesn't work.
I think when he's playing a loser character or a
psychopath like the north Mint, or a weirdo in uh
in Findney Pool Like, I think he's better as a
weird guy. So same thing as there, try Johnson. I
like him better when he's uh, when he's a weird guy.
So let's see Captain.
Speaker 3: I will go see Rogers just to be Sarto Johnson
as iron Man.
Speaker 2: No, not fucking Echoes. It's like, what is people's obsession
with fucking Jensen Echo?
Speaker 3: There's people that are upset? What's that show? Super So
it's a supernatural fans I think coming out, I think
he's like.
Speaker 2: Fine, but what is this here? Venders also have Pedro as. Yeah,
look Chris or that's gone pow clean shaven, definitely has
that look. Patro he could have h Taylor definitely made
this one though. I just saw. I don't know if
you saw it there. Scott Eastwood as like Captain America.
Zero charisma there, Richardson's baby Richardson so tiny. Yeah, he
looked like he ate Richardson more ecchos. Yeah, I just
because tons of people want Echos as Batman, and I
just I can see him more as Captain America than this.
But Glenn pal Erto Johnson, no, who did this Harrison
forst Captain America? That the Tony Pick that's that's a
wired one. This one no not good. It was Captain America.
We're not getting on any hammer. That's not happening, big.
Speaker 3: Comeback, stir not getting k We're not getting on.
Speaker 2: Wait, No, I don't like. I don't see that. I
think it's Cap was a variant in this photo, but
still like any caps, like, I don't know, I just
I don't see that they're not stopping the rock when
we're not getting.
Speaker 4: There's Chris Pine next, SOI too Chris Pine in another world.
Speaker 2: Christmas Iron for sure. Yeah, I think that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even Cap. I could see him as Cap also.
Speaker 2: Yeah I could. I definitely more prefer Chris Pine as Yeah,
there's a lot of less so you know what I'm
gonna say is a call about no name you do
for her for to have? Or is not only Chris
Evans who was a name but not a big one,
but Superman, Mike su Jens and Enchles could have had
a great career, but Supernatural took all his time away.
I always saw him as a good daredevil.
Speaker 3: He mist it got paid well though for Superman. Was
that like ten seasons?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly? So yeah, I I like him. I just
feel like I've seen him have limitations, but there I
wouldn't find Actually, no, Mike, I can't get with you
on that one. I think there's some emotional stuff. I
don't know if he could get to.
Speaker 3: But fifteen seasons, by the way, fifteen ninety three percent
run tomatoes. That's impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only seen like the first two episodes.
Speaker 3: But okay, we have so much questions, but they'll be seen.
It seen a couple episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take an not.
Speaker 3: My bag baby, sir, he has twenty one Let's take
an at break.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Why do we not have that
dropt We're gonna get the Austin Powers. That's not my
bag baby. We've quoted that for like two years. I'm
gonna go watch Austin Powers. A great scene. It's twenty
beats your four. Okay, let's quickly go. Let's do some
of these ye every table. Kay. We talked about Blade.
Yeah but no, no, no, I move some stuff the thing.
Don't don't worry. I'll do Blade now.