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<v Speaker 1>All right, we have an ongoing situation in the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Camradi is live with us for the next hour

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<v Speaker 2>as he has wont to do from time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>and my dog, Duke has taken a real liking to Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to try to keep Duke over here.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you want to see Chris dodge Duke try

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<v Speaker 2>to hump him on camera, go to our YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 2>because Chris is wearing shorts and Duke is a sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>cuddly dog, but he has some claws that might hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna be okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, are you going to take care of your child?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Duke, come on over. I mean I can't really do much.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can't how Duke sit? Duke sit and stay?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it working?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't think so if he humps he would

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<v Speaker 2>you stop it? We'll put him in the producer's room

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<v Speaker 2>with porter. If he starts to hump, because for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason he's taking a real liking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke, no humping.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he's good.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to see Chris on camera, try

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid being humped by my four year old dog.

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<v Speaker 2>A sentence I ever thought i'd say, log on our

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel, correct, how are you, Chris, I'm good. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot say the same for local basketball fans har our market.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe folks don't really understand how a lottery works. I

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<v Speaker 2>find it intellectually embarrassing that whether it's okay, your guy

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<v Speaker 2>didn't win an election, so let's cry foul, let's say

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<v Speaker 2>it was stolen, or your team didn't win the lottery,

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<v Speaker 2>something's amiss. I almost don't want to spend any oxygen

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why you're disappointed, and I even get some

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<v Speaker 2>of the dynamics that don't land well with people that

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<v Speaker 2>think basketball scripted anyway, But how have you digested the

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<v Speaker 2>meltdown in our market over the past forty eight out well,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hours or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a very thick sense of irony across the board here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always go back to kind of the idiom

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<v Speaker 3>of like when you were a kid, your parents taught you,

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<v Speaker 3>let's hope, and I feel like most of the previous

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<v Speaker 3>generations were taught how to lose. You have to learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to take a now, wear it, figure out a

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<v Speaker 3>way to move forward, and you know, press on. But lately,

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<v Speaker 3>man It is a very fascinating kind of development we

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<v Speaker 3>have culturally where we refuse to do that, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>in our personal lives, in our you know, political lives,

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<v Speaker 3>even in sports now. And it used to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it used to be your annoying uncle

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<v Speaker 3>or your annoying older brother's friend, who would be like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all, it's all. It's all part of this timeline, man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the powers that be in you know, big Brother, big Brother,

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<v Speaker 3>all of the illuminati. That's what I was looking for, illuminati.

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<v Speaker 3>And now it's like I think Blarson said that like

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five percent of his poll said it's rigged.

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<v Speaker 2>With like two thousand votes, I don't like three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when I checked, it was too get up to three.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it is a societal failure to understand

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<v Speaker 3>that life is hard and at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>this is an entertainment business. This should be viewed as

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<v Speaker 3>professional wrestling light That's how I would put it to people.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a product that you have to pay a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of money for to see in person or either

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<v Speaker 3>on your tablet, your laptop or your TV. Now it's

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<v Speaker 3>not scripted to that level.

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<v Speaker 4>But at the end of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Day, it is still entertainment. So you have to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out a way to compartmentalize how you want to prioritize

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<v Speaker 3>this level of potential stress in your life. Because if

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<v Speaker 3>you have a bunch of adults out there who are

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<v Speaker 3>huffing and puffing and just want to go sit out

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<v Speaker 3>in the rain and scream into the void like they're

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<v Speaker 3>on Garden State and trash bags.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we have a pretty big problem with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, and again, you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the great things about fans in our state. They

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<v Speaker 2>feel very strongly about the teams they support, and whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Jazz or college football and RSL or Utah

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<v Speaker 2>Hockey Club, I feel like the fans in our state

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<v Speaker 2>are very passionate about the teams they support, and in

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<v Speaker 2>a way feel like those teams represents something to the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the world that maybe, you know, can shield

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<v Speaker 2>the oddities that our state entails. And so maybe if

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<v Speaker 2>the Jazz are good, then we're okay. Maybe if b

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<v Speaker 2>YU football wins were not weird.

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<v Speaker 4>A billion percent.

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<v Speaker 3>That is why I think when the Donnovan Mitchell Show

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<v Speaker 3>exploded onto the scene here, that's why he resonated with

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<v Speaker 3>people at a level that really no other professional athlete.

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<v Speaker 4>Really ever has before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the inferiority complex, which we've talked about ad

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<v Speaker 3>nauseum on your show the last few years, is on

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<v Speaker 3>full display in the wake of this. You know, of

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<v Speaker 3>these lottery results, and we're talking about historically a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>pervasive culture that is a US versus them mentality. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we want to get into the anthropological

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<v Speaker 3>levels of that on the Drive on Wednesday on a

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<v Speaker 3>rainy Wednesday, but it is easy for a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>folks here to cry foul when they believe that schemes

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<v Speaker 3>are at play. Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's so difficult to talk about this with

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of nuance without sounding like you're being insensitive

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<v Speaker 2>to a fan base right now that feels like they've

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<v Speaker 2>been screwed, because I get it where it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>a one off. It's ten times in the lottery without

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<v Speaker 2>ever moving up with it's ten times in a lottery

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<v Speaker 2>without getting that magic ticket. But for every piece of

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote proof for evidence, you feel like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to indicate that the fixes in I can throw twenty

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<v Speaker 2>pieces at you to indicate that it very much is

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<v Speaker 2>not like. The team that by far at this point

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<v Speaker 2>has benefited most from the lottery is the San Antonio

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<v Speaker 2>Spurs historically speaking, and also my favorite city there. You go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's if San Antonio is for you, then San

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<v Speaker 2>Antonio is for you. Chris, I've probably been there six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven times. It's very much not for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very much not for most of the people in

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<v Speaker 2>pro basketball. You could make an argument that San Antonio

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst market in the NBA, not even kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's quantify worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, it's boring, it's not very big, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You can only eat nachos and walk around the river

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<v Speaker 2>walk so many times. It has excellent Mexican food, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of culture, and most NBA players have

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<v Speaker 2>never really chosen to land there via free agency. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not really unlike us when it comes to the view

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<v Speaker 2>of the city across the landscape of pro basketball, Antonio's

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<v Speaker 2>benefited from the lottery.

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<v Speaker 1>More than anyone. I don't think it's a debate.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to throw some other teams in there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Cleveland, which is also on the short list of Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really want to live there. It's the New

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<v Speaker 2>Orleans Pelicans, New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>I like New Orleans. I'm not, you know, here to

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<v Speaker 1>knock on every city.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is, Minnesota's got the number one pick

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<v Speaker 3>twice in the last decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando is another one.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, folks around here probably here Orlando and

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<v Speaker 2>they think, oh Disney, No, Central Florida, much different thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact of the matter is it hasn't been the Lakers,

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been the Heat, it hasn't been the Knicks.

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<v Speaker 2>When Zion was available to be drafted number one. Overall,

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks had the best chance to get the number

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<v Speaker 2>one pick. It goes to the Pelicans. The majority of

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<v Speaker 2>the teams that have benefited most from the lottery system

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<v Speaker 2>are not big market destination cities. So the whole like

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<v Speaker 2>it's fixed, it's rigged to what end to benefit the

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<v Speaker 2>Spurs and the Calves, Like, give me a break.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, how often have the Jazz been in the drive

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<v Speaker 3>ever seat to even get a top pick in.

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<v Speaker 4>The last forty years?

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<v Speaker 3>Not often, less than five, not often. Yeah, it's got

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<v Speaker 3>to be less than a handful. Yeah, the Darren year did.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't they move up to get Darren.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they moved up five to three to three okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Canter moved up to two. Okay. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think Canter was three okay, moved up to three okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But those were those were two times where like the

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<v Speaker 3>jazz weren't supposed to So the one time that it's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to go their way and it doesn't, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go to these lengths. Let's be honest, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>And this this goes into the point that I've been

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<v Speaker 3>making for a long time, is you've existed in that

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<v Speaker 3>mushy middle. You've existed in the forty to fifty five

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<v Speaker 3>win range for thirty years off and on. Now that's

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why you're not in the mix. And the

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<v Speaker 3>one year you've decided to get in the mix, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't go your way.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. But I think the one thing, and

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<v Speaker 4>I did my homework, man, I did my notes.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you did.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing that we haven't talked about or I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>heard people talk about, is you can be frustrated that

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<v Speaker 3>the jazz didn't get the number one overall pick. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a jazz fan, you should probably be more

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<v Speaker 3>frustrated of the recent lottery picks that clearly are not

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<v Speaker 3>panning out.

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<v Speaker 1>That the Jazz made.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct if you're talking about Cody Williams tenth last year, who,

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<v Speaker 3>according to a lot of people, could have potentially gone

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<v Speaker 3>number one in a in a in a very weak draft,

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<v Speaker 3>barely could play last year, I think Hollinger or somebody

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<v Speaker 3>had him rated as like the worst peer stat nerd

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<v Speaker 3>thing in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, one of the worst in the history as far

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<v Speaker 1>as rookies go.

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<v Speaker 3>Keante George fringe lottery guy. I think he was like

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<v Speaker 3>the fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteenth, kay something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mid first round. You know has talent, but clearly

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a top tier guy. The Taylor Hendricks one is

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to judge because of the injury, but the year

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<v Speaker 3>before he got hurt, he was pretty much playing with

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<v Speaker 3>the stars. So and my point is, while I did

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<v Speaker 3>my notes, I looked at the teams that are remaining

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<v Speaker 3>in the NBA playoffs, and there are a multitude of

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<v Speaker 3>players that were drafted not in the top five that

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<v Speaker 3>are leading their teams right now. Steph Curry seventh overall.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know who the second highest remaining player who

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<v Speaker 3>was drafted highest outside of the Celtics, So to eliminate

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<v Speaker 3>the Celtics, Ant not number one, So you can't do Cat.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't do ANT, and you no ANT. Okay, no Cat,

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<v Speaker 3>no ANT, no Celtics.

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<v Speaker 4>Jamal Murray j seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall, then you have Halliburton twelfth, Sga eleventh, Mikal Bridges tenth,

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Williams twelfth, Jimmy Butler thirtieth, Pascal Siakam twenty seventh. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these guys have gotten to various points of

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<v Speaker 3>their careers by playing generally on bad teams, and then

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<v Speaker 3>considered to be can't miss prospects, and here they are.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Pacers, for crying out loud, have Halliburton,

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<v Speaker 3>who was drafted by the Kings and was a fringe

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<v Speaker 3>left Myles Turner for dead once upon a time as

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<v Speaker 3>like a potential star player, and Siakam had a great

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<v Speaker 3>run in Toronto they acquired him via trade. My point

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<v Speaker 3>built since dealing Darren and or dealing Donovan and Rudy.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, Jalen Brunson thirty three, Nicola Jokic forty one, and.

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<v Speaker 4>The Raymond a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Point because now the issue with where the Jazz find

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<v Speaker 2>themselves because of what you just pointed out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the inability so far.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the Walker Kestler.

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<v Speaker 2>Was was a twenty two and he was in the

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<v Speaker 2>go bet trade, Larry marketing and the Mitchell trade. And

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<v Speaker 2>I keep saying this, those are the only two where

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Larry and Walker. Okay, we've got those two.

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<v Speaker 4>But but it's it's still kind of a maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think those two have have you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they've established that they're good.

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<v Speaker 4>They are, but are they going to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>But where the Jazz find themselves kind of up a

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<v Speaker 2>creek without a paddle because of even Isaiah Collier, I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly don't know that I'm ready to say Isaiah Callier

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<v Speaker 2>is a rotational NBA player for a team that's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to win. I think he showed some things Keyante leaves

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions. We'll see what happens with Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>when he gets healthy. H Cody has a marathon to go.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with the failures so far of building up

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<v Speaker 2>an infrastructure that is appealing to other teams is that

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<v Speaker 2>there are conversations about Phoenix blowing up. There are conversations

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<v Speaker 2>about Giannis being willing to be traded if Austin loses

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<v Speaker 2>tonight with the Tatum injury. They have a new ownership

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<v Speaker 2>group that will have a luxury tax bill of over

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred million dollars next year just for the right

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<v Speaker 2>to have the team. Okay, so what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>on the open market this year? Is there a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good players are going to be available. The Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>don't have anything to offer outside of draft capital. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're Milwaukee, you can talk to Oklahoma City about

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<v Speaker 2>their bevy of draft picks, and also chet Holmgrin and

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Williams, like you can get two really good young

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<v Speaker 2>players from OKC, San Antonio or Houston in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the same draft capital the Jazz have. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>you're Milwaukee, the Jazz just don't have anything.

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<v Speaker 4>To offer for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest they don't have anything to offer for Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>or Kevin Durant.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they don't have anything to offer anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to be in the mix, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it just continues to be this slow build. The question

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<v Speaker 2>now becomes Chris and Tim Bontemps from ESPN wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>good piece where he quoted a couple of front office

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<v Speaker 2>people in the NBA. They were celebrated the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the Jazz and the Wizard specifically did not get the

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<v Speaker 2>number one overall pick because they don't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>intentional losing rewarded. So twenty nineteen, Adam Silver flattens the

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<v Speaker 2>lottery odd Since then, the worst team in the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>has not sniffed the number one overall pick one time.

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<v Speaker 2>What do the Jazz do now? Do they try to

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<v Speaker 2>change the ethos to actually put their best foot forward?

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<v Speaker 2>And what does that even look like with this roster?

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<v Speaker 3>Well one, well, let's let's touch on what you were

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<v Speaker 3>just saying. I don't think they can they have a

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<v Speaker 3>because they're not good enough. They have a bleep ton

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<v Speaker 3>of cap room, But I don't know who are you

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<v Speaker 3>going to convince to take a bunch of projects off

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<v Speaker 3>your hands? Now the picks, you know, like you know

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<v Speaker 3>the MJ meme FM picks, you know, like or that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it wasn't name to somebody else, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It was MJJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I think at the time it was bleeped

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<v Speaker 2>those kids, that's right, which no, but that's what it means,

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<v Speaker 2>say thank you. I'm not advocating that.

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<v Speaker 3>What they have to offer, they don't. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of projects and an one time All Star.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know people think that Walker Kessler is the

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<v Speaker 3>second coming of Mark Eaton, but he's not. Like he's

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<v Speaker 3>a He's a decent big man who can play defense

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<v Speaker 3>in the modern MBA where basically nobody plays defense. But

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<v Speaker 3>does that make a difference when you want to become

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<v Speaker 3>a deep postseason team, I honestly don't know, Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Thinking of the teams that are left, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how many of them have the profile of a player

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<v Speaker 3>that Walker Kessler represents. Anyways, that's that's that's a different story.

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<v Speaker 3>My point is we talk about player development with this organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at Okay, see man, those players played on really really,

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<v Speaker 3>really bad teams for a long time, and these are

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<v Speaker 3>outside of CHET who was a byproduct of being really

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<v Speaker 3>bad for a long time. These were guys that were

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<v Speaker 3>drafted late lottery. I don't even know where loud do

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<v Speaker 3>Or was drafted, but he developed into a player. I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're talking about the Jalens, Sga, lou Dort, and

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<v Speaker 3>then there there circuses undrafted see exactly, and their circus

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<v Speaker 3>of very talented role players, all of guys who were not,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, big time lottery players. The Jazz haven't shown

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<v Speaker 3>the ability to develop players even in bad seasons. Sga,

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<v Speaker 3>I think will always be will be an exception because

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was considered the gem of that Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Dial wait once upon a time, but he was

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<v Speaker 3>still no guarantee. So is there a player on the

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<v Speaker 3>this Jazz roster that has can sniff even remotely the

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<v Speaker 3>potential of anybody, let's say, And maybe this is unfair

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<v Speaker 3>to compare them to where okay, C was four or

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<v Speaker 3>five years ago, but it's kind of the closest comp

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<v Speaker 3>And is there anybody on this roster that has the

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<v Speaker 3>ceiling that some of these guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the answer is no, And it's not unfair to

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<v Speaker 2>compare the Jazz to where Oklahoma City was, or where

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit was, or where Orlando was, because the Jazz find

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<v Speaker 2>themselves in the spot now where those teams were when

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying to get back to respectability. But the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is those teams were showing signs. When you started

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<v Speaker 2>to see what Shay could be as the primary guy,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, all right, they've got something there. When Caid

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<v Speaker 2>got healthy, You're like, they've got something there. When Pollo

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<v Speaker 2>showed that he should have been the number one pick

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<v Speaker 2>and Notchabar, You're like, they've got something there. All these

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<v Speaker 2>teams that I use as an example of them being

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<v Speaker 2>where the Jazz are at three four years ago, had

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<v Speaker 2>signs of improvement and hope that this team does not

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<v Speaker 2>have for the fan base. So if we're in lockstep

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<v Speaker 2>about the inability to acquire a real game changer via

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<v Speaker 2>trade just based off of what you have on the roster,

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<v Speaker 2>so what does it look like next year if you

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<v Speaker 2>add five and maybe twenty one. They have the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>first pick as well. But what you don't do is

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally lose games by faking injuries with players or having

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<v Speaker 2>your seven foot or shoot seven threes. An What you

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<v Speaker 2>do do is put your best foot forward based off

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<v Speaker 2>of what you have here?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that look like?

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not gonna if you're not gonna intentionally lose

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<v Speaker 2>games like they clearly did this year, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>inventing injuries for marketing, and you're not inventing injuries for

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<v Speaker 2>Clarkson and Sexton and Collins, and you're playing walker and

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually trying to win because you've now done your

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<v Speaker 2>calculation that tanking does no good, so we might as

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<v Speaker 2>well do our fan base as service and actually show

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<v Speaker 2>up for work.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that look like with this team? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>It's best case scenario. It's a thirty two win team, which,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're talking historically, means they might have a better

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<v Speaker 3>chance of what I'm saying. And you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I grind on a lot of time. You do podcasts,

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<v Speaker 3>and I did a big one for you this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to this Zach lowpodcast. You listen to Zach

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<v Speaker 3>And the fascinating thing that I took away from that

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<v Speaker 3>was teams voted twenty nine to one to flatten the curve.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes they did.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know the one team who did not?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the Jazz? No Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, see okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Presty said the only way for a market like

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<v Speaker 3>ours to get game changing talent is through the lottery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the Jazz voted for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it just leads you to wonder whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they're going to change their viewpoint and they'll get

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<v Speaker 2>a good player at five.

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<v Speaker 3>But they have to get the right I mean, like

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<v Speaker 3>they just have to get good players. Yeah, so simple,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sounds very like U reductive. There you go,

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<v Speaker 3>but like they just simply I don't know who's in

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<v Speaker 3>the scouting department, the front office. I know everyone was

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<v Speaker 3>obsessed with Danny Ainge's ability to draft players because he

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<v Speaker 3>chose Tatum and Brown, but it hasn't Pandam out so far.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just don't know if any of these players

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<v Speaker 3>on the roster are going to make a leap in

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<v Speaker 3>the next two to three years. I mean, the most

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<v Speaker 3>disheartening thing is that you feel like now, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>being three to five years away, they could potentially be

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<v Speaker 2>And as I've talked to you about and other guests

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, the reality is a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 2>have gone through five, seven, eight, nine years. Detroit hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>won a home playoff game since two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Charlotte's gone twenty one years without a playoff win.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota just barely won playoff series in back to back

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<v Speaker 2>years for the first time in twenty five years. That happen, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? So, like what the reality is of the

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<v Speaker 2>current situation? And look, I am not here for the

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<v Speaker 2>whole Like, hey, it took three years to break down,

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<v Speaker 2>now we're rebuilt.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so insulting that they would even have the nerve

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<v Speaker 2>to propagate that message. The reality is we are three

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<v Speaker 2>years into a project that might take eight or nine years.

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<v Speaker 2>It might okay, now, there are lightning and bottle situations

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<v Speaker 2>that happen all the time. And to your point about

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<v Speaker 2>the list you read, it doesn't have to happen at one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more likely to happen at one. It's more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to happen to the top three. But based off of

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<v Speaker 2>the history of this market, our best players being mid lottery,

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<v Speaker 2>late first round, some of the second Paul millsapp and others,

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<v Speaker 2>and other examples as well, you can find diamonds in

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<v Speaker 2>the rough. The best player in the world was the

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<v Speaker 2>second round pick, but at this point they have not

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<v Speaker 2>shown the ability to draft and develop well at least

427
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<v Speaker 2>this iteration of the jazz final question for this segment

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<v Speaker 2>it was posed to me earlier on a show I did.

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<v Speaker 1>How long will the fans ride? How long do the

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<v Speaker 1>fans ride?

431
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<v Speaker 2>In this market where we went from John and Carl

432
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<v Speaker 2>to Darren and Booze, from Darren and Booze to Hayward

433
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<v Speaker 2>and Favors, from Hayward and Favors to Rudy and Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those teams are very competitive. Whether you

435
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<v Speaker 2>think they were championship teams are not. I didn't, but

436
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<v Speaker 2>they were least competitive. We are now potentially in for

437
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<v Speaker 2>the first time that this will take longer than two

438
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<v Speaker 2>or three years.

439
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<v Speaker 1>It's already been three. How long did jazz fans ride?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you could break it down into several tiers.

441
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<v Speaker 3>First off, it would behoove the powers that be to

442
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<v Speaker 3>be clear and concise about what they want to do,

443
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<v Speaker 3>and like say it into a microphone and probably avoid

444
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<v Speaker 3>the phrase big game, hunting.

445
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<v Speaker 2>At all costs, at all costs. And then signed Drew

446
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<v Speaker 2>you Banks, it's not gonna work.

447
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, he got traded. He did he didn't have he

448
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<v Speaker 3>didn't have what it takes to take.

449
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<v Speaker 2>But that was their first signing after the Big Game hunting.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It was true, you bank, that's right.

451
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<v Speaker 3>I'm fascinated to see what tickets cost, to see if

452
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<v Speaker 3>any of that is more massage to be logical for

453
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<v Speaker 3>the product that you're selling to a fan base that

454
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<v Speaker 3>is doesn't suffer fools and understands what good basketball is.

455
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<v Speaker 3>It's a big off season, man, I mean, like you

456
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<v Speaker 3>can you can make an argument that this is the

457
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<v Speaker 3>biggest off season twenty years since post John and Carl.

458
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<v Speaker 3>But even post John and Carl, you had Jerry.

459
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<v Speaker 1>At Jerry little ak Bridge.

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<v Speaker 4>You had a little ak Bridge. Yeah on the.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Curl played football, right bowler.

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<v Speaker 4>I just it.

463
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<v Speaker 3>It behooves everybody to be transparent about what they want

464
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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And when when.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Your guy, your guy, which one the guy.

467
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<v Speaker 4>Who screamed into the who screamed yea.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, my guy went on on a run, on a

469
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<v Speaker 2>run the sun was rising over the.

470
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<v Speaker 3>The goal doesn't change, I would say, I would ask

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<v Speaker 3>to say what what that goal is? And if you say,

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<v Speaker 3>build a championship contender in Utah, then you have to

473
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<v Speaker 3>say then how right?

474
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<v Speaker 1>Porter revealed to us that he makes that run every morning.

475
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<v Speaker 2>He runs and then as soon as the sun rises

476
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<v Speaker 2>over the Wasatch he lets out an audible.

477
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<v Speaker 4>Porter, Well, well, I know that. I know Porter well, but.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Ry did once. But that's a daily routine for our guy.

479
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I told you, maybe not, it's at sunrise. I

480
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<v Speaker 4>might be I might be fast asleep.

481
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<v Speaker 1>At that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing would have made me more full of joy if

483
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<v Speaker 2>I was on a walk with Duke in the morning

484
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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly my guy comes running along just.

485
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<v Speaker 1>Screaming, shirtless or no, you think he's wearing the shirt.

486
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's wearing the shirt out, long sleeve hat backwards,

487
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<v Speaker 3>long sleeve, long sleeve hat backwards.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, just sprinting along the Wasatch Mountain, sunrising, audible

489
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<v Speaker 2>and like viral yell coming from the bottom.

490
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<v Speaker 4>Of the garden. Garden State, Ye, garden State.

491
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<v Speaker 1>I like it. What was your reaction when were you

492
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<v Speaker 1>watching the Lottery Life?

493
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I started laughing and Amanda was like, why are you laughing?

494
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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, man, I feel for my

495
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<v Speaker 3>friends and our friends who work over there. Sure, sure,

496
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<v Speaker 3>because I think the messaging was a little off. You know,

497
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<v Speaker 3>the the Instagram posts of we like our odds where

498
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 3>it's like, you shouldn't because you have fourteen percent, Like

499
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<v Speaker 3>you have an eighty six percent chance of not getting

500
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<v Speaker 3>the number one pixel.

501
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<v Speaker 4>What are you doing?

502
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<v Speaker 1>We like our odds that are not good.

503
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<v Speaker 3>But my reaction was, I feel bad for some friends

504
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<v Speaker 3>that work over there. And then it immediately was a

505
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<v Speaker 3>tailspin of embarrassment from a lot of local media members.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that was my favorite part.

507
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<v Speaker 3>Everybody was and I'll say it, and I'm not going

508
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<v Speaker 3>to swear, but it's a swear that I can say

509
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<v Speaker 3>on air.

510
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<v Speaker 4>Everybody was showing their ass. Oh for sure, everybody was.

511
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<v Speaker 3>And it was the encapsulation of all the bad stereotypes

512
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<v Speaker 3>about Utah in a couple hours.

513
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the local media meltdown may have been my favorite part.

514
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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you this. I felt so bad for Ashley.

515
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.839
<v Speaker 2>I felt so bad for Ryan's like, I don't I

516
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm not trying to tell another man what

517
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<v Speaker 2>to do about a family situation. I don't know that

518
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.160
<v Speaker 2>you want to send Ashley in that scenario. Like I

519
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted to reach the TV and give her a hug.

520
00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I felt so bad for her.

521
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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, they'll be there next year and she's.

522
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Gonna be okay. I mean, look as Ryan on his

523
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<v Speaker 2>run with the visceral yell, realize.

524
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<v Speaker 4>We'll see. We'll see who represents them next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, go ahead, if the Jazz

526
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:18.559
<v Speaker 2>so Xanik gave the media the interviews after the Jazz

527
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<v Speaker 2>got five, if the Jazz got one, who does media?

528
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<v Speaker 4>I would say, Justin and Ryan.

529
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<v Speaker 2>You know our guys up there, Oh yeah, and no

530
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<v Speaker 2>visceral yell needed after that.

531
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe a different type of visceral yell. Maybe a holler.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Bring that swag, sap, we'll catch a break coming up

533
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<v Speaker 2>next b y U as a new athletic director. The

534
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<v Speaker 2>Big Twelve has their Vegas odds released for over under.

535
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 2>We're going to go through the University of Utah football schedule.

536
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Chris is gonna tell us win or loss for every

537
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<v Speaker 2>single game. Let's go some college football coming up on

538
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the other side with Ck live in studio.

539
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Keep it right here on ESPN seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 5>Download the ESPN seven hundred app for free, and take

541
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.240
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542
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543
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544
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for another big segment. By the way, thanks for

546
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.079
<v Speaker 2>leaving your house on a rainy day. We usually only

547
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>get you when the sun is shining.

548
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Correct.

549
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's we can't win them all. We were winning

550
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>them a lot in the end of April early May. Yep,

551
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.319
<v Speaker 3>but I'll take it. It's not snow.

552
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 2>The light at the end of the tunnel is already

553
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 2>coming gone. We're good. I mean, I definitely woke up

554
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>to walk the dog today in thirty eight degree weather

555
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>and rain at seven am, and I wasn't thrilled about that.

556
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 3>But it's like it's a tolerable thirty eight degrees sure,

557
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. You know, like in this

558
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.240
<v Speaker 3>you get the fresh the crispness of the air, and

559
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I think May is the best month of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with that weatherwise. How many code of packs

561
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<v Speaker 2>of jackets do you have?

562
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 4>So many?

563
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I need to get at least one because every time

564
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 2>you wear one in I'm more of a patagony, you guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, North Face, Okay, East Coast. You know the deal.

566
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<v Speaker 4>My brother in law, legend Ben, what up? Ben?

567
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<v Speaker 3>He used to be one of the head designers there.

568
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 3>So you got hook hookup on the He's a black diamond. Oh,

569
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 3>very very talented kid.

570
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Ben sounds like a guy I need to get to

571
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>know you. Should So what do you hook you up on?

572
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Deals with jackets?

573
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know what do you think?

574
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<v Speaker 1>I mean like back in the day, would he Yes?

575
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 1>But not anymore?

576
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Friends and family discount?

577
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Can I get that?

578
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.079
<v Speaker 4>Are you friends?

579
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<v Speaker 1>I'm friends with the family.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you got to know Ben. I gotta introduce you

581
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<v Speaker 4>to Ben.

582
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know Amanda, I know Leo.

583
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Can I be a friend of the family.

585
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>You can thank you Ben, if you're listening, hook me

586
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>up with a discount code. Actually, you know what, don't

587
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<v Speaker 2>Is there a Ben checkets? There is my little brother Ben.

588
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 2>He's the creative director at Round.

589
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 4>Must be something.

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00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 2>You're also welcome to a family friends discount it ron

591
00:28:57.920 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>go to round dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

593
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I send that ask because it's one of the things

594
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't like about our market, where everyone wants everything

595
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>for free favor. No one will ever pay for tickets.

596
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 2>You gotta know someone. No one's ever gonna buy a jacket.

597
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>You need twenty five percent off, So you know what

598
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 2>I am going to buy a Cota Paxi jacket without

599
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 2>a disc.

600
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm gonna buy something from Rome. You already have

601
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<v Speaker 3>a hat, No? Oh, I do my white one?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the one.

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<v Speaker 2>I only wear a golfing so once a year. Correct,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, give me a quick hot take. RSL is

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<v Speaker 2>in action tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I know nothing about Portland other than they're good this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know anything about them?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 3>My hot take my hot take is that, basically it's

612
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<v Speaker 3>the same thing that I said last week. RSL does

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<v Speaker 3>one thing. Okay, sometimes they diego Luna. Well, sometimes he's

614
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 3>so good man. Other than that, they don't do anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you know how many former RSL strikers scored

617
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<v Speaker 3>on Saturday?

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<v Speaker 2>Chi Cho okay, Anderson Yep, the Moose, The moose is

619
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<v Speaker 2>freaking loose, dude, shout out John Paul. I know the

620
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<v Speaker 2>mooseky one. The reason I know the Moose gout one

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<v Speaker 2>is I was playing golf with Elliott yep, and he

622
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<v Speaker 2>was celebrating all of his former players playing well yep.

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<v Speaker 3>And then former Academy Monarch product Milan Aloski scored for

624
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<v Speaker 3>Saint Louis. He's still around well, he was in Europe,

625
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 3>came back, Saint Louis signed him. He was like san Diego, Sorry,

626
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 3>san Diego signed him.

627
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>He was like a good young player.

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<v Speaker 3>So four okay, four former RSLs. Well, I guess, and

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<v Speaker 3>we can count if we're counting former players. Albert scored two.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to count out.

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<v Speaker 3>So five former RSL players scored and first start for

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<v Speaker 3>your for your.

633
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Guy big Willie goals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he is my guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Did it?

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<v Speaker 4>How did it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't go well? A couple of yells guys out tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Russell available for selection this evening. I believe, big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a big deal. I think they win tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no, they lose two one Diego scores.

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<v Speaker 4>They lose.

642
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll go, I'll do that. I mean he has

643
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 3>goals and then and everyone out. I think the second

644
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 3>leading scorer on the team is a bunch of guys

645
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 3>tied for one.

646
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>That is correct, including our guys Sam Junka, who's the

647
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 2>backup left back.

648
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Yep, and and I and I get that they are

649
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>in dire straits on the back line. I think Gladys

650
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 3>suspended or somebody's one defender suspended because of yellow card accumulation.

651
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 3>Then a bunch of other dudes are out. I don't

652
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know. I haven't heard, but Vera

653
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 3>gotta be out for a while, dude. And that was

654
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 3>a tough knock.

655
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 4>I know. I bring it up every week. But shit, shoot,

656
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 4>I bad. We did it. We did it, shooting bad.

657
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>It's only taken four years.

658
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 4>That's right, it's all good. You can send me the

659
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 4>bill now.

660
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>You realize Amy Donaldson swears every time she's on the show,

661
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>so you're in good company.

662
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>But so, yeah, big, we did it.

663
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 4>Big, big willy goals. At least it wasn't the other one.

664
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, And you know, we really should operate

665
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>with a dumb button, but you know we I guess

666
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>that's not the budget.

667
00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 4>So you're gonna go to one Portland.

668
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll go you won Portland. Diego scores in the ring.

669
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Is Diego already better than you thought he could ever be?

670
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah?

671
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>But like you saw what he was capable of when

672
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 3>he played with Chiico and Gomez last year, because he

673
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.680
<v Speaker 3>was scoring goals and assisting. I think at one point,

674
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 3>like he like I think at this time last year

675
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 3>he already had like ten assists. I think he has

676
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>zero assists this year. I think he has seven goals

677
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and zero assists. Let's see, which is kind of emblematic

678
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 3>of the the metaphor of carrying a team on your shoulders.

679
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Let's see you falling up the stats. Well, just you know,

680
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 2>pulling up the stats. Computers running a little slow today. Yeah,

681
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>seven goals and you know every goal he scores is

682
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like a wonder strike. You know, they're not just like

683
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>tap ins or whatever. Like who was the was it

684
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Euromovsisian who just seemed like every game he would just

685
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of that's a great pull or tapping seven goals

686
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>to assists for ass Okay, Uh, does Diego suck?

687
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Is he just not good?

688
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh? He doesn't suck, because if he sucked, he wouldn't

689
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 3>be a professional on one of the better lower level

690
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 3>teams in Europe. I think you have to be somewhat

691
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>of an alpha if you want to come in as

692
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 3>an attacking player in MLS at the DP spot. And

693
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't even need to be like ambiance. You just

694
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 3>have to deliver, like I think of Albert. Like when

695
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Albert came, he was Hobby's replacement. He had huge shoes

696
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 3>to fill and it was an impossible job.

697
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 4>But if you look at.

698
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 3>His stat record during his time here, like six or

699
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 3>seven years, the dude scored a lot of goals and

700
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 3>like really really good. I mean like really good. And

701
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>if that's going to be kind of how you carry

702
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 3>yourself on the field. You don't need to be the

703
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 3>loudest person in the locker room. You don't need to

704
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 3>be you know, your guy KB five, You don't need

705
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>to be throwing your weight around. But if you're an

706
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 3>attacking player, man, you got a pretty and I think

707
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 3>I think we said we talked about this last week,

708
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 3>but the summer transfer windows signings from last summer are

709
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 3>no bueno right now?

710
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yeah, Diego's the bright spot, a mecca

711
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 2>shout out on a bench and uh oh hato.

712
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Those two central holding mids are good.

713
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:17.960
<v Speaker 4>They're good.

714
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>There's just nothing up top and there's no answer on

715
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 2>the roster. I mean, I try to wax positive about

716
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the club. I just it's hard to right now.

717
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 4>Do you think I'm gonna flip the script on you?

718
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

719
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Do you think the Millers are going to splash the

720
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 3>cash this summer for a high profile player?

721
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>I do?

722
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Now the question that I keep coming back to is

723
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>whether or not, and it might be too late. It

724
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>might be too late because the academy has developed and

725
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the ethos that developed. I just wonder because I know

726
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Steve starts, Steve's Eve wants to win.

727
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>He's a competitive dude.

728
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>He you know, Like, I think there's probably I don't

729
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>know this for sure, but I wonder how the Millers

730
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>would articulate the way Ryan is running the Jazz and

731
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>their decision to lose on purpose. The Millers never wanted

732
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 2>to do that. They always wanted to try to put

733
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 2>a competitive team on the floor. And I know there

734
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 2>are Jazz fans listening that will probably say, well, they

735
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>never play luxury tax, and I understand that, but whenever

736
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I hear the whole like, well, the Millers aren't going

737
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 2>to invest in soccer because they wouldn't pay luxury tax

738
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA. Luxury tax in the NBA is one

739
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty million dollars. Spend twenty or thirty on

740
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the club. I think they'll do that, Yeah, But I

741
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.159
<v Speaker 2>wonder if at some point anybody will say out loud, like,

742
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe we don't lean in only to developing young players,

743
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and then moving them on. Maybe we want some good

744
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>players here, that's my hope.

745
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, And to your point, they bought a franchise

746
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 3>that is one of the worst in the Western Conference

747
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 3>right now in a NWSL. They have the worst team

748
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.800
<v Speaker 3>in the NWSL right now. Sooner or later, the rubber

749
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 3>is going to have to meet the road and you're

750
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 3>going to have to see some infusion of fiscal means

751
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 3>to upgrade the roster.

752
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 1>There's no other way right there that it's.

753
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>It like, yes, keep the academy going there will They

754
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.519
<v Speaker 3>will churn out some players every once in a while,

755
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't work at the level that it does

756
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.760
<v Speaker 3>in Europe, and you have to be able to convince

757
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 3>your fan base that you give a damn about him.

758
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Are you watching so welcome to Wrexham. Do you watch that?

759
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 4>I do not? You do not?

760
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Are you anti Ryan Reynolds and the other dude or

761
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Rob whatever his name is.

762
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not that I'm anti. I just don't have a

763
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of bandwidth for it right now.

764
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I just watched more depressing stuff.

765
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you all caught up on Gem Sounds? Oh?

766
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we finished it.

767
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 3>I still have the finale. Okay, I was out of

768
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Town last week. Are we saying finale or finale finale

769
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 3>okay or I don't know? Sounds sounds sophisticated.

770
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 2>The final iteration, did you watch Goggins on SNL?

771
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 4>We did?

772
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, that's pretty funny.

773
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I love Goggins, Baby Billy will Be. I think one

774
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 3>of the top characters in TV history. I like him

775
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 3>in Fallout, and that's probably not really up up your avenue,

776
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 3>but it's a it's a video game show, post apocalyptic,

777
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.840
<v Speaker 3>pretty good, okay, plays a dude with out a face

778
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 3>and know, but yeah, I love Goggins.

779
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no principles.

780
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, I did catch a little SNL Goggins, But I

781
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 2>got I got to finish the I have to finish

782
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 2>the final episode of Gemstones, and I have two left

783
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>of severance.

784
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 1>What I had I didn't finish. I had not intentionally.

785
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I just had some traveling and I got behind and

786
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I had to watch like four straight two weeks ago.

787
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And I've got two more left, so I'll get that done.

788
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>B YU as a new athletic director. His name is

789
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Brian Santiago. I don't know Brian well, I've met him

790
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. I played in a group behind

791
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 2>him at Steve Young's charity golf tournament name drop flex

792
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>b YU fans.

793
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 4>What up, how's the swing?

794
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Good player?

795
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

796
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Good player.

797
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I have been surprised to both hear from privately BYU

798
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>fans and then and read online BYU fans not react

799
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>positively to this hire. But from what I can ascertain,

800
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>the feel is like I was at the Wilkin line

801
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>for chocolate milk and Santiago did not say hi to me.

802
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I was waiting in line for cougartail Lavelle Edwards. I

803
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>saw Santiago. I tried to say hello, and he kept walking.

804
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 4>He handed me the razor and said go shave correctly.

805
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the feel I get.

806
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anything like this won't work because he's

807
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 2>not good at his job, or this won't work because

808
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have good relationships. It's the feel of church

809
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.159
<v Speaker 2>ran over and he left without saying hello to our family,

810
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Like it's weird personal interaction, Like he doesn't seem to

811
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>have the reputation of a very nice guy. Okay, And

812
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. It doesn't matter, No, it doesn't, and

813
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 2>we do. That's another thing that we do here that

814
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 2>drives me crazy. Like if you had one interaction at

815
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Jay Doggs in Provo where he took your barbecue sauce

816
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and you had to for more. It doesn't mean he's

817
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>not going to be good at his job. That's the

818
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 2>feel I get that. That's kind of the the take

819
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 2>on the higher What he is my understanding is very

820
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 2>good friends with Ryan Smith and Danny Inge. And that's

821
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 2>fine because this really is a relationship business. And if

822
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be an ad at a P four

823
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 2>institution in the current landscape of collegiate athletics, your number

824
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>one qualification is are you friends with rich people? And

825
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>without Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge, Kevin Young's not the

826
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 2>head coach at BYU, And in one year, Kevin Young

827
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>has turned that thing into something that, if it keeps ticking,

828
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>is going to be really, really good. So I don't

829
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.639
<v Speaker 2>know if you could add any context of this whole situation,

830
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>but that's kind of my understanding of where we're at

831
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 2>with this new hire.

832
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know Brian at all, and that I did

833
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 3>not know that there is a undercurrent of frustration, can

834
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 3>we say, or dissatisfaction. Dissatisfaction, Yeah, well, I'll go on

835
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 3>a tangent for you. Once upon a time somebody did

836
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 3>hand me a razor at BYU and said, you have

837
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.519
<v Speaker 3>to go shave or else can't be allowed into this dance.

838
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 4>Wow, guess what I did?

839
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Are you snuck in?

840
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

841
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a boy because you weren't a student down there.

842
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Come on, they were like, here's this, here's this ninety

843
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 3>nine cent razor that will slice your skin off. No,

844
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:18.559
<v Speaker 3>no shaving cream.

845
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Did you have the thick sea cake?

846
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:20.880
<v Speaker 4>So thick?

847
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 3>But it was thick enough like yours where it was

848
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 3>like it was gonna hurt. So I just went into

849
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 3>the bathroom, faked it, came around, came out and snuck in.

850
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Anyways, was it a linger?

851
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Longer?

852
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 4>It was a linger?

853
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:32.280
<v Speaker 1>It was okay.

854
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Important context, Brian Santiago has very big shoes to fill,

855
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 3>and maybe there is a portion of the fan base

856
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 3>that is nervous that he.

857
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.360
<v Speaker 4>May not be able to live up to.

858
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Uh, the expectations and the types of hires. I mean,

859
00:40:53.719 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 3>Tom Holmo, the guy really oversaw tumultuous Chaine, good and

860
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 3>bad for the amount of time he was there. Like

861
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.440
<v Speaker 3>going through the Route of Independence, which was much maligned

862
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 3>by a lot of folks, here locally. You know BYU

863
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 3>fans in my life still are angry about it, But

864
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 3>the dude made hires, and when you make hires generally

865
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 3>things work out. So to your point, Brian Santiago's number

866
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>one thing on his list has to be maintain relationships

867
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 3>with those heavy hitters, the guys who open up their checkbooks.

868
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 3>And when the time comes, you have to figure out

869
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 3>who's going to be, you know, leading your profitable programs,

870
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>because if you have the right people in place, you're

871
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 3>going to be okay more often than not.

872
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think one of the frustrations that's been shared

873
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to me with people who are close to BYU athletics

874
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 2>and who it's very close to their hearts and b

875
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 2>WHYU fans are very passionate, they love their teams. I

876
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>think one of the things that they were expecting based

877
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 2>off of I think it's Shane rees excuse me, see

878
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Shane rees Se period.

879
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Shane president of BYU.

880
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Three months ago, when Tom announced his retirement, he said, okay,

881
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>national search, we are interviewing big hitters, heavy hitters across

882
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the country. And you know, whether it's Scott O'Neill who

883
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>was with the Sixers and now is the CEO of

884
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Live or The name I threw out was Brian Rolap,

885
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>who is Roger Goodell's like right hand man. I don't

886
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 2>know how realistic that is. Brian lives in Darien, Connecticut.

887
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>He's in my family's stake, and so we know the

888
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>rowlapse and the feeling is when Goodell has done. Brian

889
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Rolap could be the commissioner of the NFL, but he's

890
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>a Mormon dude, b YU guy lds excuse me. And

891
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>I think they were expecting I think BYU fans were

892
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 2>expecting some big, heavy hitter from somewhere else in the

893
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>country that has run pro teams that has like Scott

894
00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 2>O'Neil would have been a great call, but I think

895
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 2>is comfortable where he's at, and Scott is a dynamic

896
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 2>sports professional who's a really good dude.

897
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Would have been a great hire.

898
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 2>But there may have been like an over expectation of

899
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>what the athletic director BYU means. And you're not going

900
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 2>to leave your job is the number two at the

901
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>NFL to go run BYU Athletics.

902
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You're just not. So it's like everything else we talk about.

903
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I think the expectation was up here and I think

904
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the Santiago news kind of caught people in an underwhelming fashion.

905
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Do you think the precedent of them being able to

906
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 3>steal the hire of Kevin Young maybe set their mind

907
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 3>in motion. Maybe where their point If we can get

908
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 3>the guy who is going to be the next big

909
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 3>NBA head coach, why can't we get the guy who

910
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 3>is a GM of a major sports franchise to run

911
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 3>our athletic department.

912
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 4>Maybe?

913
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it seemed like conventional wisdom always pointed to Santiago.

914
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 3>In this day and age, I think it would be

915
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 3>very difficult for somebody who has not been in the

916
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 3>room on a day to day basis during this insane

917
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 3>amount of change to come in and be like, Yeah,

918
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:03.079
<v Speaker 3>let me learn about this ongoing house settlement versus the

919
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 3>NCAA that is changing at every basic turn every single day.

920
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 3>Tell me about nil, tell me about this and that

921
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.199
<v Speaker 3>Brian Santiago has been in all those meetings for ad

922
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 3>nauseum forever, so he knows.

923
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Twenty seven years ago came to BYU as a member

924
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 2>of Steve Cleveland's staff.

925
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>On the basketball side.

926
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>I believe you can hear Steve Cleveland breaking down basketball

927
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in the market somewhere mornings and then twenty years ago,

928
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Tom hires Brian. I don't know how long he was

929
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the associate AD, but I do know he was one

930
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of Tom's right hand men for twenty years. Yeah, and

931
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 2>to your point, to watch Tom traverse the space and

932
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>learn from him on the job, my guests would be

933
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Tom probably lobbied for it to have Santiago get the gig.

934
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 2>There's this narrative out there that Brian Santiago is like

935
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 2>their sixth or seventh choice. I can't speak to that.

936
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But the position of athletic director I don't think is

937
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 2>as appealing of a job as most people fully believe.

938
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Why would it be, I don't actually And especially listen man,

939
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 3>you have to understand what you're getting into at a

940
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 3>school like b YU for for the good and for

941
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 3>the difficulty. Well, right, like the fact that they've been

942
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 3>able to write the ship, so to speak, with Kilane

943
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Higher and bringing Kevin Ky, your being able to bring

944
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 3>them on, but just the entire landscape of what you're facing.

945
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 3>You have to understand what you're going to have to

946
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 3>do on a day to day basis. Bringing in somebody

947
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 3>who Scott O'Neill's where's he at Sixers or Flyers?

948
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Scot O'Neil, now I believe is the CEO of Live Golf,

949
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Live Golf, but he was running, yeah, the Flyers and

950
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the Sixers. Okay, so he's got that Saudi money now,

951
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 2>like he's say what you want about it? We can

952
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and we have, but I don't think Scott's leaving that

953
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 2>to be the ad of by.

954
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and I don't.

955
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 3>We can't Grandma or Foyer request what these guys are

956
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 3>being paid because they are at a private institution. My

957
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 3>guess would be it would be a step down for

958
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of folks who are in the professional realm,

959
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 3>especially if he's getting that live money. So it just

960
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 3>made sense for the guy to follow Tom as somebody

961
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 3>who has basically been with him for the last several years.

962
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Do you recall And I'm honestly asking to ask, because

963
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this when I was getting these

964
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 2>texts from BYU fans like, hey, you're going to talk

965
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>about the Santiago stuff. Well, yeah, he's the idea at BYU. Okay,

966
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>well he's not very nice, he's this or that or whatever.

967
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And then some of the online stuff where there are

968
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>people that are very outward about like how mad they are.

969
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That this was the deal.

970
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 4>I did not know this.

971
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I got to dive in, Yeah, dive in, and you know,

972
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 2>just the position of athletic director. I don't know how

973
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 2>much context or color I've douted the conversation nationwide, but

974
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>there have been a lot of youth fans that have

975
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 2>soured on Mark. A lot of youth fans have soured

976
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>on Mark Carlin. And I'll continue to say Mark personally

977
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 2>has always been good to me. Comes on the show,

978
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 2>he answers questions, all that stuff. The whole post game

979
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>pressure after the BYU Utah football game was just a

980
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 2>really odd choice that did not land well with anybody,

981
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>including you fans, and it left him open for a

982
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 2>ton of criticism from BYU fans. I still would have

983
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>loved to be a fly on the wall when Brett

984
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.039
<v Speaker 2>or Mark woke up and said, what are you kidding?

985
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Like?

986
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I actually think Mark got off pretty easy based off.

987
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Of what he had to say.

988
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>So do you do you feel like there has been

989
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a change of a feel in

990
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>the community about Mark Carlon at all?

991
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Is that landed all with you?

992
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's the ad just being

993
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>an easy target for people because sports fans are so.

994
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Crazy, anybody who's in charge is going to bear the

995
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 3>brunt of a lot of grief that that folks have.

996
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I think it's hard to say, it's hard to distill

997
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 3>down to the corners of the very sad existence of

998
00:47:53.960 --> 00:48:00.760
<v Speaker 3>sports internet as well. But listen, I think Utah fans

999
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 3>wanted the running utes to be resurrected for a long time,

1000
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.119
<v Speaker 3>and they got. They got pretty much everybody wanted to

1001
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 3>be hired was Alex Jensen. Kyle Whittingham's just gonna keep

1002
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 3>doing it until he decides to ride his motorcycle forever.

1003
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>And they've been they've been raising money for for you know,

1004
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 3>facilities and all that stuff.

1005
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1006
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 3>One I think you can say a a misstep is

1007
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 3>I think the collective got off to a slower start

1008
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 3>when it when nil really took off. So I'm interested

1009
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 3>to see how that goes and see how Utah handles when,

1010
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 3>if and when the house settlement gets finalized and everybody's

1011
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 3>allotted that twenty point five million, how Mark and his

1012
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 3>staff decide to really break that down to various teams

1013
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 3>and players on their athletic rosters.

1014
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I do think there's another thing, and I

1015
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's as and we've kind of discussed this.

1016
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's as prevalent with the University of

1017
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Utah as it is with BYU, because even I listened

1018
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 2>to the introductory press conference earlier today where President Reese

1019
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and Brian Santiago addressed the media and addressed the contingent,

1020
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and it really is steeped in we needed a BYU guy,

1021
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.320
<v Speaker 2>We needed a BYU blue guy. And even the religious

1022
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>dogmatic language is used like we need somebody who loves Jesus,

1023
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>like they talk like that. So we need a BYU

1024
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 2>guy who's going to further the message of Jesus, who's

1025
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.280
<v Speaker 2>going to foster a community of disciple graduates who move

1026
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 2>on and make a difference in the world. So I

1027
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>know that's more unique to forty five miles down south

1028
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and isn't as prevalent here in Salt Lake. But is

1029
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 2>there a little bit of a feel you think that

1030
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Mark isn't necessarily a guy that is a Utah guy.

1031
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I saw it guy. I mean doctor Hill wasn't either.

1032
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:03.760
<v Speaker 4>That was gonna be my point.

1033
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>But I was, But also I wanted to ask you,

1034
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall it. I was in the I was

1035
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>in the media when Doctor Hill was the ad because

1036
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I can remember when he and Monson had their thing

1037
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 2>right and which time, well right, right, But I was

1038
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 2>doing radio part of the time when Doctor Hill came

1039
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 2>out and said Gordon wrote a piece criticizing because I

1040
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know that doctor Hill really ever wanted to play

1041
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>BYU and anything. I'm not speaking for him. I just

1042
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.519
<v Speaker 2>don't think he was a big fan of that dynamic. Yeah,

1043
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Monson writes this huge piece like doctor Hill's wrong here,

1044
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Chris comes out with a whole like self serving media.

1045
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>After a while, Chris agreed to come on our show

1046
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and it was really frosty, and that was doing radio

1047
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 2>with Gordon, which made it a lot of fun. Did

1048
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Hill seem to have the same sort of criticism

1049
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 2>levied his way from the community or maybe social media

1050
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>gives people voices.

1051
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 4>Social media gives people voices.

1052
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Once upon a time there was a very public back

1053
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 3>and forth between Chris and Kyle during some contract stuff.

1054
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 3>And are you know my colleagues, some of my closest friends,

1055
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Matt Piper and Kyle Goon were on the beat then,

1056
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 3>and it got pretty frosty and contentious publicly between those two.

1057
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 3>But one thing I would say about Chris is that,

1058
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.679
<v Speaker 3>like he understood that things could get sideways, but like

1059
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 3>it helps everybody out to like sit down and talk

1060
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.679
<v Speaker 3>it out as adults in private and on the record.

1061
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 3>And there's a reason why he was so good at

1062
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 3>what he did for such a long time is because

1063
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.800
<v Speaker 3>when you have a working relationship that is as unique

1064
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<v Speaker 3>as the media that's covering an institution and the guy

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<v Speaker 3>in charge of calling the shots of a multi million

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<v Speaker 3>dollar athletic department, it's not always going to be roses.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think one thing that's been kind of missed

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<v Speaker 3>here is that because a store, a story may come

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<v Speaker 3>out that's not portraying your university or your team in

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<v Speaker 3>a very glowing light, is not a personal thing. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>facts can be facts. But I think unfortunately, and especially

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<v Speaker 3>in this market, we've we've had this kind of shift

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<v Speaker 3>towards media members who are always going to put a

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<v Speaker 3>spin on it that makes the people or the team

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<v Speaker 3>or the institution that they're covering seem like they can

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<v Speaker 3>do no wrong, and that is not the right way

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<v Speaker 3>of doing the job you have.

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<v Speaker 4>But that is where that is. That is for the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Checkpot where you and I are on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I've kept you too long, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to get home to watch the well

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<v Speaker 2>and you also want to watch the Knicks advance to

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<v Speaker 2>the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Question before I go, what do you got? What is

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Santiago's first Halloween costume.

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<v Speaker 1>It won't be near as good as Tom's, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that much. It will not get to see as

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<v Speaker 1>he can.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks man,