Speaker 1: All right, we have an ongoing situation in the studio.
Speaker 2: Chris Camradi is live with us for the next hour
Speaker 2: as he has wont to do from time to time,
Speaker 2: and my dog, Duke has taken a real liking to Chris,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to try to keep Duke over here.
Speaker 2: But if you want to see Chris dodge Duke try
Speaker 2: to hump him on camera, go to our YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: because Chris is wearing shorts and Duke is a sweet,
Speaker 2: cuddly dog, but he has some claws that might hurt.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be okay?
Speaker 3: Well, are you going to take care of your child?
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 2: Duke, come on over. I mean I can't really do much.
Speaker 2: I mean you can't how Duke sit? Duke sit and stay?
Speaker 2: Is it working?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think so if he humps he would
Speaker 2: you stop it? We'll put him in the producer's room
Speaker 2: with porter. If he starts to hump, because for some
Speaker 2: reason he's taking a real liking to you.
Speaker 1: Duke, no humping.
Speaker 4: No, he's good.
Speaker 2: So if you want to see Chris on camera, try
Speaker 2: to avoid being humped by my four year old dog.
Speaker 2: A sentence I ever thought i'd say, log on our
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, correct, how are you, Chris, I'm good. I
Speaker 2: cannot say the same for local basketball fans har our market.
Speaker 2: Maybe folks don't really understand how a lottery works. I
Speaker 2: find it intellectually embarrassing that whether it's okay, your guy
Speaker 2: didn't win an election, so let's cry foul, let's say
Speaker 2: it was stolen, or your team didn't win the lottery,
Speaker 2: something's amiss. I almost don't want to spend any oxygen
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I understand why you're disappointed, and I even get some
Speaker 2: of the dynamics that don't land well with people that
Speaker 2: think basketball scripted anyway, But how have you digested the
Speaker 2: meltdown in our market over the past forty eight out well,
Speaker 2: thirty six hours or whatever.
Speaker 3: There's a very thick sense of irony across the board here.
Speaker 3: And I always go back to kind of the idiom
Speaker 3: of like when you were a kid, your parents taught you,
Speaker 3: let's hope, and I feel like most of the previous
Speaker 3: generations were taught how to lose. You have to learn
Speaker 3: how to take a now, wear it, figure out a
Speaker 3: way to move forward, and you know, press on. But lately,
Speaker 3: man It is a very fascinating kind of development we
Speaker 3: have culturally where we refuse to do that, whether it's
Speaker 3: in our personal lives, in our you know, political lives,
Speaker 3: even in sports now. And it used to be like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it used to be your annoying uncle
Speaker 3: or your annoying older brother's friend, who would be like, dude,
Speaker 3: it's all, it's all. It's all part of this timeline, man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the powers that be in you know, big Brother, big Brother,
Speaker 3: all of the illuminati. That's what I was looking for, illuminati.
Speaker 3: And now it's like I think Blarson said that like
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of his poll said it's rigged.
Speaker 2: With like two thousand votes, I don't like three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I checked, it was too get up to three.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: So I think it is a societal failure to understand
Speaker 3: that life is hard and at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: this is an entertainment business. This should be viewed as
Speaker 3: professional wrestling light That's how I would put it to people.
Speaker 3: It is a product that you have to pay a
Speaker 3: lot of money for to see in person or either
Speaker 3: on your tablet, your laptop or your TV. Now it's
Speaker 3: not scripted to that level.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Day, it is still entertainment. So you have to figure
Speaker 3: out a way to compartmentalize how you want to prioritize
Speaker 3: this level of potential stress in your life. Because if
Speaker 3: you have a bunch of adults out there who are
Speaker 3: huffing and puffing and just want to go sit out
Speaker 3: in the rain and scream into the void like they're
Speaker 3: on Garden State and trash bags.
Speaker 4: I think we have a pretty big problem with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, and again, you know, it's one
Speaker 2: of the great things about fans in our state. They
Speaker 2: feel very strongly about the teams they support, and whether
Speaker 2: it's the Jazz or college football and RSL or Utah
Speaker 2: Hockey Club, I feel like the fans in our state
Speaker 2: are very passionate about the teams they support, and in
Speaker 2: a way feel like those teams represents something to the
Speaker 2: rest of the world that maybe, you know, can shield
Speaker 2: the oddities that our state entails. And so maybe if
Speaker 2: the Jazz are good, then we're okay. Maybe if b
Speaker 2: YU football wins were not weird.
Speaker 4: A billion percent.
Speaker 3: That is why I think when the Donnovan Mitchell Show
Speaker 3: exploded onto the scene here, that's why he resonated with
Speaker 3: people at a level that really no other professional athlete.
Speaker 4: Really ever has before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the inferiority complex, which we've talked about ad
Speaker 3: nauseum on your show the last few years, is on
Speaker 3: full display in the wake of this. You know, of
Speaker 3: these lottery results, and we're talking about historically a pretty
Speaker 3: pervasive culture that is a US versus them mentality. And
Speaker 3: I don't think we want to get into the anthropological
Speaker 3: levels of that on the Drive on Wednesday on a
Speaker 3: rainy Wednesday, but it is easy for a lot of
Speaker 3: folks here to cry foul when they believe that schemes
Speaker 3: are at play. Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so difficult to talk about this with
Speaker 2: any sort of nuance without sounding like you're being insensitive
Speaker 2: to a fan base right now that feels like they've
Speaker 2: been screwed, because I get it where it's not just
Speaker 2: a one off. It's ten times in the lottery without
Speaker 2: ever moving up with it's ten times in a lottery
Speaker 2: without getting that magic ticket. But for every piece of
Speaker 2: quote unquote proof for evidence, you feel like you have
Speaker 2: to indicate that the fixes in I can throw twenty
Speaker 2: pieces at you to indicate that it very much is
Speaker 2: not like. The team that by far at this point
Speaker 2: has benefited most from the lottery is the San Antonio
Speaker 2: Spurs historically speaking, and also my favorite city there. You go, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's if San Antonio is for you, then San
Speaker 2: Antonio is for you. Chris, I've probably been there six
Speaker 2: or seven times. It's very much not for me, and
Speaker 2: it's very much not for most of the people in
Speaker 2: pro basketball. You could make an argument that San Antonio
Speaker 2: is the worst market in the NBA, not even kidding.
Speaker 4: Let's quantify worst.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's boring, it's not very big, it's not
Speaker 2: very fun.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot to do.
Speaker 2: You can only eat nachos and walk around the river
Speaker 2: walk so many times. It has excellent Mexican food, doesn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of culture, and most NBA players have
Speaker 2: never really chosen to land there via free agency. It's
Speaker 2: not really unlike us when it comes to the view
Speaker 2: of the city across the landscape of pro basketball, Antonio's
Speaker 2: benefited from the lottery.
Speaker 1: More than anyone. I don't think it's a debate.
Speaker 2: If you want to throw some other teams in there,
Speaker 2: it's Cleveland, which is also on the short list of Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't really want to live there. It's the New
Speaker 2: Orleans Pelicans, New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I like New Orleans. I'm not, you know, here to
Speaker 1: knock on every city.
Speaker 3: But the point is, Minnesota's got the number one pick
Speaker 3: twice in the last decade.
Speaker 1: Orlando is another one.
Speaker 2: And you know, folks around here probably here Orlando and
Speaker 2: they think, oh Disney, No, Central Florida, much different thing.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is it hasn't been the Lakers,
Speaker 2: it hasn't been the Heat, it hasn't been the Knicks.
Speaker 2: When Zion was available to be drafted number one. Overall,
Speaker 2: the Knicks had the best chance to get the number
Speaker 2: one pick. It goes to the Pelicans. The majority of
Speaker 2: the teams that have benefited most from the lottery system
Speaker 2: are not big market destination cities. So the whole like
Speaker 2: it's fixed, it's rigged to what end to benefit the
Speaker 2: Spurs and the Calves, Like, give me a break.
Speaker 3: Well, how often have the Jazz been in the drive
Speaker 3: ever seat to even get a top pick in.
Speaker 4: The last forty years?
Speaker 3: Not often, less than five, not often. Yeah, it's got
Speaker 3: to be less than a handful. Yeah, the Darren year did.
Speaker 4: They didn't they move up to get Darren.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they moved up five to three to three okay,
Speaker 3: and then Canter moved up to two. Okay. I think
Speaker 3: I think Canter was three okay, moved up to three okay.
Speaker 3: But those were those were two times where like the
Speaker 3: jazz weren't supposed to So the one time that it's
Speaker 3: supposed to go their way and it doesn't, we're gonna
Speaker 3: we're gonna go to these lengths. Let's be honest, guys.
Speaker 3: And this this goes into the point that I've been
Speaker 3: making for a long time, is you've existed in that
Speaker 3: mushy middle. You've existed in the forty to fifty five
Speaker 3: win range for thirty years off and on. Now that's
Speaker 3: the reason why you're not in the mix. And the
Speaker 3: one year you've decided to get in the mix, it
Speaker 3: doesn't go your way.
Speaker 4: I get it. But I think the one thing, and
Speaker 4: I did my homework, man, I did my notes.
Speaker 1: I know you did.
Speaker 3: One thing that we haven't talked about or I haven't
Speaker 3: heard people talk about, is you can be frustrated that
Speaker 3: the jazz didn't get the number one overall pick. But
Speaker 3: if you're a jazz fan, you should probably be more
Speaker 3: frustrated of the recent lottery picks that clearly are not
Speaker 3: panning out.
Speaker 1: That the Jazz made.
Speaker 3: Correct if you're talking about Cody Williams tenth last year, who,
Speaker 3: according to a lot of people, could have potentially gone
Speaker 3: number one in a in a in a very weak draft,
Speaker 3: barely could play last year, I think Hollinger or somebody
Speaker 3: had him rated as like the worst peer stat nerd
Speaker 3: thing in the league.
Speaker 1: Yep, one of the worst in the history as far
Speaker 1: as rookies go.
Speaker 3: Keante George fringe lottery guy. I think he was like
Speaker 3: the fourteenth.
Speaker 1: Fifteenth, kay something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mid first round. You know has talent, but clearly
Speaker 3: isn't a top tier guy. The Taylor Hendricks one is
Speaker 3: difficult to judge because of the injury, but the year
Speaker 3: before he got hurt, he was pretty much playing with
Speaker 3: the stars. So and my point is, while I did
Speaker 3: my notes, I looked at the teams that are remaining
Speaker 3: in the NBA playoffs, and there are a multitude of
Speaker 3: players that were drafted not in the top five that
Speaker 3: are leading their teams right now. Steph Curry seventh overall.
Speaker 3: Do you know who the second highest remaining player who
Speaker 3: was drafted highest outside of the Celtics, So to eliminate
Speaker 3: the Celtics, Ant not number one, So you can't do Cat.
Speaker 3: You can't do ANT, and you no ANT. Okay, no Cat,
Speaker 3: no ANT, no Celtics.
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray j seventh.
Speaker 3: Overall, then you have Halliburton twelfth, Sga eleventh, Mikal Bridges tenth,
Speaker 3: Jalen Williams twelfth, Jimmy Butler thirtieth, Pascal Siakam twenty seventh. Like,
Speaker 3: all of these guys have gotten to various points of
Speaker 3: their careers by playing generally on bad teams, and then
Speaker 3: you know, as as the story goes, you eventually get
Speaker 3: to move up. But these are not guys that were
Speaker 3: considered to be can't miss prospects, and here they are.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Pacers, for crying out loud, have Halliburton,
Speaker 3: who was drafted by the Kings and was a fringe
Speaker 3: lottery guy. I think a lot of people kind of
Speaker 3: left Myles Turner for dead once upon a time as
Speaker 3: like a potential star player, and Siakam had a great
Speaker 3: run in Toronto they acquired him via trade. My point
Speaker 3: is is that the infrastructure, the Jazz just simply haven't
Speaker 3: built since dealing Darren and or dealing Donovan and Rudy.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, Jalen Brunson thirty three, Nicola Jokic forty one, and.
Speaker 4: The Raymond a second.
Speaker 1: It's a really good.
Speaker 2: Point because now the issue with where the Jazz find
Speaker 2: themselves because of what you just pointed out, you know,
Speaker 2: the inability so far.
Speaker 1: You know, the Walker Kestler.
Speaker 2: Was was a twenty two and he was in the
Speaker 2: go bet trade, Larry marketing and the Mitchell trade. And
Speaker 2: I keep saying this, those are the only two where
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Larry and Walker. Okay, we've got those two.
Speaker 4: But but it's it's still kind of a maybe.
Speaker 2: I think those two have have you know, I think
Speaker 2: they've established that they're good.
Speaker 4: They are, but are they going to be part of
Speaker 4: the next good jest?
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: But where the Jazz find themselves kind of up a
Speaker 2: creek without a paddle because of even Isaiah Collier, I
Speaker 2: honestly don't know that I'm ready to say Isaiah Callier
Speaker 2: is a rotational NBA player for a team that's trying
Speaker 2: to win. I think he showed some things Keyante leaves
Speaker 2: a lot of questions. We'll see what happens with Taylor
Speaker 2: when he gets healthy. H Cody has a marathon to go.
Speaker 2: The problem with the failures so far of building up
Speaker 2: an infrastructure that is appealing to other teams is that
Speaker 2: there are conversations about Phoenix blowing up. There are conversations
Speaker 2: about Giannis being willing to be traded if Austin loses
Speaker 2: tonight with the Tatum injury. They have a new ownership
Speaker 2: group that will have a luxury tax bill of over
Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars next year just for the right
Speaker 2: to have the team. Okay, so what's going to happen
Speaker 2: on the open market this year? Is there a lot
Speaker 2: of good players are going to be available. The Jazz
Speaker 2: don't have anything to offer outside of draft capital. And
Speaker 2: if you're Milwaukee, you can talk to Oklahoma City about
Speaker 2: their bevy of draft picks, and also chet Holmgrin and
Speaker 2: Jalen Williams, like you can get two really good young
Speaker 2: players from OKC, San Antonio or Houston in addition to
Speaker 2: the same draft capital the Jazz have. And so if
Speaker 2: you're Milwaukee, the Jazz just don't have anything.
Speaker 4: To offer for you.
Speaker 2: Honest they don't have anything to offer for Jalen Brown
Speaker 2: or Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4: Like they don't have anything to offer anybody.
Speaker 2: They're not going to be in the mix, and so
Speaker 2: it just continues to be this slow build. The question
Speaker 2: now becomes Chris and Tim Bontemps from ESPN wrote a
Speaker 2: good piece where he quoted a couple of front office
Speaker 2: people in the NBA. They were celebrated the fact that
Speaker 2: the Jazz and the Wizard specifically did not get the
Speaker 2: number one overall pick because they don't want to see
Speaker 2: intentional losing rewarded. So twenty nineteen, Adam Silver flattens the
Speaker 2: lottery odd Since then, the worst team in the NBA
Speaker 2: has not sniffed the number one overall pick one time.
Speaker 2: What do the Jazz do now? Do they try to
Speaker 2: change the ethos to actually put their best foot forward?
Speaker 2: And what does that even look like with this roster?
Speaker 3: Well one, well, let's let's touch on what you were
Speaker 3: just saying. I don't think they can they have a
Speaker 3: because they're not good enough. They have a bleep ton
Speaker 3: of cap room, But I don't know who are you
Speaker 3: going to convince to take a bunch of projects off
Speaker 3: your hands? Now the picks, you know, like you know
Speaker 3: the MJ meme FM picks, you know, like or that
Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't name to somebody else, but.
Speaker 4: It was MJJ.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I think at the time it was bleeped
Speaker 2: those kids, that's right, which no, but that's what it means,
Speaker 2: say thank you. I'm not advocating that.
Speaker 3: What they have to offer, they don't. You're talking about
Speaker 3: a bunch of projects and an one time All Star.
Speaker 3: And I know people think that Walker Kessler is the
Speaker 3: second coming of Mark Eaton, but he's not. Like he's
Speaker 3: a He's a decent big man who can play defense
Speaker 3: in the modern MBA where basically nobody plays defense. But
Speaker 3: does that make a difference when you want to become
Speaker 3: a deep postseason team, I honestly don't know, Like I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Thinking of the teams that are left, I don't know
Speaker 3: how many of them have the profile of a player
Speaker 3: that Walker Kessler represents. Anyways, that's that's that's a different story.
Speaker 3: My point is we talk about player development with this organization.
Speaker 3: Look at Okay, see man, those players played on really really,
Speaker 3: really bad teams for a long time, and these are
Speaker 3: outside of CHET who was a byproduct of being really
Speaker 3: bad for a long time. These were guys that were
Speaker 3: drafted late lottery. I don't even know where loud do
Speaker 3: Or was drafted, but he developed into a player. I mean, okay,
Speaker 3: so you're talking about the Jalens, Sga, lou Dort, and
Speaker 3: then there there circuses undrafted see exactly, and their circus
Speaker 3: of very talented role players, all of guys who were not,
Speaker 3: you know, big time lottery players. The Jazz haven't shown
Speaker 3: the ability to develop players even in bad seasons. Sga,
Speaker 3: I think will always be will be an exception because
Speaker 3: I think he was considered the gem of that Chris
Speaker 3: Paul Dial wait once upon a time, but he was
Speaker 3: still no guarantee. So is there a player on the
Speaker 3: this Jazz roster that has can sniff even remotely the
Speaker 3: potential of anybody, let's say, And maybe this is unfair
Speaker 3: to compare them to where okay, C was four or
Speaker 3: five years ago, but it's kind of the closest comp
Speaker 3: And is there anybody on this roster that has the
Speaker 3: ceiling that some of these guys have.
Speaker 2: No, the answer is no, And it's not unfair to
Speaker 2: compare the Jazz to where Oklahoma City was, or where
Speaker 2: Detroit was, or where Orlando was, because the Jazz find
Speaker 2: themselves in the spot now where those teams were when
Speaker 2: they were trying to get back to respectability. But the
Speaker 2: problem is those teams were showing signs. When you started
Speaker 2: to see what Shay could be as the primary guy,
Speaker 2: You're like, all right, they've got something there. When Caid
Speaker 2: got healthy, You're like, they've got something there. When Pollo
Speaker 2: showed that he should have been the number one pick
Speaker 2: and Notchabar, You're like, they've got something there. All these
Speaker 2: teams that I use as an example of them being
Speaker 2: where the Jazz are at three four years ago, had
Speaker 2: signs of improvement and hope that this team does not
Speaker 2: have for the fan base. So if we're in lockstep
Speaker 2: about the inability to acquire a real game changer via
Speaker 2: trade just based off of what you have on the roster,
Speaker 2: so what does it look like next year if you
Speaker 2: add five and maybe twenty one. They have the twenty
Speaker 2: first pick as well. But what you don't do is
Speaker 2: intentionally lose games by faking injuries with players or having
Speaker 2: your seven foot or shoot seven threes. An What you
Speaker 2: do do is put your best foot forward based off
Speaker 2: of what you have here?
Speaker 1: What does that look like?
Speaker 2: If you're not gonna if you're not gonna intentionally lose
Speaker 2: games like they clearly did this year, and you're not
Speaker 2: inventing injuries for marketing, and you're not inventing injuries for
Speaker 2: Clarkson and Sexton and Collins, and you're playing walker and
Speaker 2: you're actually trying to win because you've now done your
Speaker 2: calculation that tanking does no good, so we might as
Speaker 2: well do our fan base as service and actually show
Speaker 2: up for work.
Speaker 1: What does that look like with this team? I don't
Speaker 1: think it's great.
Speaker 3: It's best case scenario. It's a thirty two win team, which,
Speaker 3: if we're talking historically, means they might have a better
Speaker 3: chance of what I'm saying. And you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I grind on a lot of time. You do podcasts,
Speaker 3: and I did a big one for you this week.
Speaker 3: I listened to this Zach lowpodcast. You listen to Zach
Speaker 3: And the fascinating thing that I took away from that
Speaker 3: was teams voted twenty nine to one to flatten the curve.
Speaker 1: Yes they did.
Speaker 4: Do you know the one team who did not?
Speaker 1: Is it the Jazz? No Washington.
Speaker 4: Okay, see okay.
Speaker 3: Sam Presty said the only way for a market like
Speaker 3: ours to get game changing talent is through the lottery. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Jazz voted for that.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it just leads you to wonder whether or
Speaker 2: not they're going to change their viewpoint and they'll get
Speaker 2: a good player at five.
Speaker 3: But they have to get the right I mean, like
Speaker 3: they just have to get good players. Yeah, so simple,
Speaker 3: and it sounds very like U reductive. There you go,
Speaker 3: but like they just simply I don't know who's in
Speaker 3: the scouting department, the front office. I know everyone was
Speaker 3: obsessed with Danny Ainge's ability to draft players because he
Speaker 3: chose Tatum and Brown, but it hasn't Pandam out so far.
Speaker 3: And I just don't know if any of these players
Speaker 3: on the roster are going to make a leap in
Speaker 3: the next two to three years. I mean, the most
Speaker 3: disheartening thing is that you feel like now, rather than
Speaker 3: being three to five years away, they could potentially be
Speaker 3: five to seven years away.
Speaker 2: And as I've talked to you about and other guests
Speaker 2: on this show, the reality is a lot of teams
Speaker 2: have gone through five, seven, eight, nine years. Detroit hasn't
Speaker 2: won a home playoff game since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: I think Charlotte's gone twenty one years without a playoff win.
Speaker 1: Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Minnesota just barely won playoff series in back to back
Speaker 2: years for the first time in twenty five years. That happen, right,
Speaker 2: I mean? So, like what the reality is of the
Speaker 2: current situation? And look, I am not here for the
Speaker 2: whole Like, hey, it took three years to break down,
Speaker 2: now we're rebuilt.
Speaker 1: Shut up.
Speaker 2: It's so insulting that they would even have the nerve
Speaker 2: to propagate that message. The reality is we are three
Speaker 2: years into a project that might take eight or nine years.
Speaker 2: It might okay, now, there are lightning and bottle situations
Speaker 2: that happen all the time. And to your point about
Speaker 2: the list you read, it doesn't have to happen at one.
Speaker 2: It's more likely to happen at one. It's more likely
Speaker 2: to happen to the top three. But based off of
Speaker 2: the history of this market, our best players being mid lottery,
Speaker 2: late first round, some of the second Paul millsapp and others,
Speaker 2: and other examples as well, you can find diamonds in
Speaker 2: the rough. The best player in the world was the
Speaker 2: second round pick, but at this point they have not
Speaker 2: shown the ability to draft and develop well at least
Speaker 2: this iteration of the jazz final question for this segment
Speaker 2: it was posed to me earlier on a show I did.
Speaker 1: How long will the fans ride? How long do the
Speaker 1: fans ride?
Speaker 2: In this market where we went from John and Carl
Speaker 2: to Darren and Booze, from Darren and Booze to Hayward
Speaker 2: and Favors, from Hayward and Favors to Rudy and Mitchell,
Speaker 2: and all of those teams are very competitive. Whether you
Speaker 2: think they were championship teams are not. I didn't, but
Speaker 2: they were least competitive. We are now potentially in for
Speaker 2: the first time that this will take longer than two
Speaker 2: or three years.
Speaker 1: It's already been three. How long did jazz fans ride?
Speaker 3: I think you could break it down into several tiers.
Speaker 3: First off, it would behoove the powers that be to
Speaker 3: be clear and concise about what they want to do,
Speaker 3: and like say it into a microphone and probably avoid
Speaker 3: the phrase big game, hunting.
Speaker 2: At all costs, at all costs. And then signed Drew
Speaker 2: you Banks, it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: Hey, he got traded. He did he didn't have he
Speaker 3: didn't have what it takes to take.
Speaker 2: But that was their first signing after the Big Game hunting.
Speaker 2: It was true, you bank, that's right.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to see what tickets cost, to see if
Speaker 3: any of that is more massage to be logical for
Speaker 3: the product that you're selling to a fan base that
Speaker 3: is doesn't suffer fools and understands what good basketball is.
Speaker 3: It's a big off season, man, I mean, like you
Speaker 3: can you can make an argument that this is the
Speaker 3: biggest off season twenty years since post John and Carl.
Speaker 3: But even post John and Carl, you had Jerry.
Speaker 1: At Jerry little ak Bridge.
Speaker 4: You had a little ak Bridge. Yeah on the.
Speaker 1: Curl played football, right bowler.
Speaker 4: I just it.
Speaker 3: It behooves everybody to be transparent about what they want
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 4: And when when.
Speaker 1: Your guy, your guy, which one the guy.
Speaker 4: Who screamed into the who screamed yea.
Speaker 2: Hey, my guy went on on a run, on a
Speaker 2: run the sun was rising over the.
Speaker 3: The goal doesn't change, I would say, I would ask
Speaker 3: to say what what that goal is? And if you say,
Speaker 3: build a championship contender in Utah, then you have to
Speaker 3: say then how right?
Speaker 1: Porter revealed to us that he makes that run every morning.
Speaker 2: He runs and then as soon as the sun rises
Speaker 2: over the Wasatch he lets out an audible.
Speaker 4: Porter, Well, well, I know that. I know Porter well, but.
Speaker 1: Ry did once. But that's a daily routine for our guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told you, maybe not, it's at sunrise. I
Speaker 4: might be I might be fast asleep.
Speaker 1: At that point.
Speaker 2: Nothing would have made me more full of joy if
Speaker 2: I was on a walk with Duke in the morning
Speaker 2: and suddenly my guy comes running along just.
Speaker 1: Screaming, shirtless or no, you think he's wearing the shirt.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's wearing the shirt out, long sleeve hat backwards,
Speaker 3: long sleeve, long sleeve hat backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, just sprinting along the Wasatch Mountain, sunrising, audible
Speaker 2: and like viral yell coming from the bottom.
Speaker 4: Of the garden. Garden State, Ye, garden State.
Speaker 1: I like it. What was your reaction when were you
Speaker 1: watching the Lottery Life?
Speaker 3: I started laughing and Amanda was like, why are you laughing?
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, man, I feel for my
Speaker 3: friends and our friends who work over there. Sure, sure,
Speaker 3: because I think the messaging was a little off. You know,
Speaker 3: the the Instagram posts of we like our odds where
Speaker 3: it's like, you shouldn't because you have fourteen percent, Like
Speaker 3: you have an eighty six percent chance of not getting
Speaker 3: the number one pixel.
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: We like our odds that are not good.
Speaker 3: But my reaction was, I feel bad for some friends
Speaker 3: that work over there. And then it immediately was a
Speaker 3: tailspin of embarrassment from a lot of local media members.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was my favorite part.
Speaker 3: Everybody was and I'll say it, and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to swear, but it's a swear that I can say
Speaker 3: on air.
Speaker 4: Everybody was showing their ass. Oh for sure, everybody was.
Speaker 3: And it was the encapsulation of all the bad stereotypes
Speaker 3: about Utah in a couple hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the local media meltdown may have been my favorite part.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. I felt so bad for Ashley.
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for Ryan's like, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not trying to tell another man what
Speaker 2: to do about a family situation. I don't know that
Speaker 2: you want to send Ashley in that scenario. Like I
Speaker 2: wanted to reach the TV and give her a hug.
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for her.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they'll be there next year and she's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be okay. I mean, look as Ryan on his
Speaker 2: run with the visceral yell, realize.
Speaker 4: We'll see. We'll see who represents them next year.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, go ahead, if the Jazz
Speaker 2: so Xanik gave the media the interviews after the Jazz
Speaker 2: got five, if the Jazz got one, who does media?
Speaker 4: I would say, Justin and Ryan.
Speaker 2: You know our guys up there, Oh yeah, and no
Speaker 2: visceral yell needed after that.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe a different type of visceral yell. Maybe a holler.
Speaker 2: Bring that swag, sap, we'll catch a break coming up
Speaker 2: next b y U as a new athletic director. The
Speaker 2: Big Twelve has their Vegas odds released for over under.
Speaker 2: We're going to go through the University of Utah football schedule.
Speaker 2: Chris is gonna tell us win or loss for every
Speaker 2: single game. Let's go some college football coming up on
Speaker 2: the other side with Ck live in studio.
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Speaker 2: Yeah for another big segment. By the way, thanks for
Speaker 2: leaving your house on a rainy day. We usually only
Speaker 2: get you when the sun is shining.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we can't win them all. We were winning
Speaker 3: them a lot in the end of April early May. Yep,
Speaker 3: but I'll take it. It's not snow.
Speaker 2: The light at the end of the tunnel is already
Speaker 2: coming gone. We're good. I mean, I definitely woke up
Speaker 2: to walk the dog today in thirty eight degree weather
Speaker 2: and rain at seven am, and I wasn't thrilled about that.
Speaker 3: But it's like it's a tolerable thirty eight degrees sure,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You know, like in this
Speaker 3: you get the fresh the crispness of the air, and
Speaker 3: I think May is the best month of the year.
Speaker 2: I agree with that weatherwise. How many code of packs
Speaker 2: of jackets do you have?
Speaker 4: So many?
Speaker 2: I need to get at least one because every time
Speaker 2: you wear one in I'm more of a patagony, you guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, North Face, Okay, East Coast. You know the deal.
Speaker 4: My brother in law, legend Ben, what up? Ben?
Speaker 3: He used to be one of the head designers there.
Speaker 3: So you got hook hookup on the He's a black diamond. Oh,
Speaker 3: very very talented kid.
Speaker 2: Ben sounds like a guy I need to get to
Speaker 2: know you. Should So what do you hook you up on?
Speaker 2: Deals with jackets?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean like back in the day, would he Yes?
Speaker 1: But not anymore?
Speaker 4: Friends and family discount?
Speaker 1: Can I get that?
Speaker 4: Are you friends?
Speaker 1: I'm friends with the family.
Speaker 4: Well, you got to know Ben. I gotta introduce you
Speaker 4: to Ben.
Speaker 1: Well, I know Amanda, I know Leo.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I be a friend of the family.
Speaker 2: You can thank you Ben, if you're listening, hook me
Speaker 2: up with a discount code. Actually, you know what, don't
Speaker 2: Is there a Ben checkets? There is my little brother Ben.
Speaker 2: He's the creative director at Round.
Speaker 4: Must be something.
Speaker 2: You're also welcome to a family friends discount it ron
Speaker 2: go to round dot com.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: I send that ask because it's one of the things
Speaker 2: I don't like about our market, where everyone wants everything
Speaker 2: for free favor. No one will ever pay for tickets.
Speaker 2: You gotta know someone. No one's ever gonna buy a jacket.
Speaker 2: You need twenty five percent off, So you know what
Speaker 2: I am going to buy a Cota Paxi jacket without
Speaker 2: a disc.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna buy something from Rome. You already have
Speaker 3: a hat, No? Oh, I do my white one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one.
Speaker 2: I only wear a golfing so once a year. Correct,
Speaker 2: All right, give me a quick hot take. RSL is
Speaker 2: in action tonight.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I know nothing about Portland other than they're good this year.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about them?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: My hot take my hot take is that, basically it's
Speaker 3: the same thing that I said last week. RSL does
Speaker 3: one thing. Okay, sometimes they diego Luna. Well, sometimes he's
Speaker 3: so good man. Other than that, they don't do anything.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know how many former RSL strikers scored
Speaker 3: on Saturday?
Speaker 2: Chi Cho okay, Anderson Yep, the Moose, The moose is
Speaker 2: freaking loose, dude, shout out John Paul. I know the
Speaker 2: mooseky one. The reason I know the Moose gout one
Speaker 2: is I was playing golf with Elliott yep, and he
Speaker 2: was celebrating all of his former players playing well yep.
Speaker 3: And then former Academy Monarch product Milan Aloski scored for
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. He's still around well, he was in Europe,
Speaker 3: came back, Saint Louis signed him. He was like san Diego, Sorry,
Speaker 3: san Diego signed him.
Speaker 1: He was like a good young player.
Speaker 3: So four okay, four former RSLs. Well, I guess, and
Speaker 3: we can count if we're counting former players. Albert scored two.
Speaker 1: We got to count out.
Speaker 3: So five former RSL players scored and first start for
Speaker 3: your for your.
Speaker 4: Guy big Willie goals.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is my guy.
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 4: How did it go?
Speaker 2: Didn't go well? A couple of yells guys out tonight.
Speaker 2: Johnny Russell available for selection this evening. I believe, big deal.
Speaker 2: That is a big deal. I think they win tonight.
Speaker 2: Uh no, they lose two one Diego scores.
Speaker 4: They lose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go, I'll do that. I mean he has
Speaker 3: goals and then and everyone out. I think the second
Speaker 3: leading scorer on the team is a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: tied for one.
Speaker 2: That is correct, including our guys Sam Junka, who's the
Speaker 2: backup left back.
Speaker 3: Yep, and and I and I get that they are
Speaker 3: in dire straits on the back line. I think Gladys
Speaker 3: suspended or somebody's one defender suspended because of yellow card accumulation.
Speaker 3: Then a bunch of other dudes are out. I don't
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I haven't heard, but Vera
Speaker 3: gotta be out for a while, dude. And that was
Speaker 3: a tough knock.
Speaker 4: I know. I bring it up every week. But shit, shoot,
Speaker 4: I bad. We did it. We did it, shooting bad.
Speaker 1: It's only taken four years.
Speaker 4: That's right, it's all good. You can send me the
Speaker 4: bill now.
Speaker 2: You realize Amy Donaldson swears every time she's on the show,
Speaker 2: so you're in good company.
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, big, we did it.
Speaker 4: Big, big willy goals. At least it wasn't the other one.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And you know, we really should operate
Speaker 2: with a dumb button, but you know we I guess
Speaker 2: that's not the budget.
Speaker 4: So you're gonna go to one Portland.
Speaker 1: I'll go you won Portland. Diego scores in the ring.
Speaker 1: Is Diego already better than you thought he could ever be?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah?
Speaker 3: But like you saw what he was capable of when
Speaker 3: he played with Chiico and Gomez last year, because he
Speaker 3: was scoring goals and assisting. I think at one point,
Speaker 3: like he like I think at this time last year
Speaker 3: he already had like ten assists. I think he has
Speaker 3: zero assists this year. I think he has seven goals
Speaker 3: and zero assists. Let's see, which is kind of emblematic
Speaker 3: of the the metaphor of carrying a team on your shoulders.
Speaker 2: Let's see you falling up the stats. Well, just you know,
Speaker 2: pulling up the stats. Computers running a little slow today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: seven goals and you know every goal he scores is
Speaker 2: like a wonder strike. You know, they're not just like
Speaker 2: tap ins or whatever. Like who was the was it
Speaker 2: Euromovsisian who just seemed like every game he would just
Speaker 2: kind of that's a great pull or tapping seven goals
Speaker 2: to assists for ass Okay, Uh, does Diego suck?
Speaker 1: Is he just not good?
Speaker 3: Uh? He doesn't suck, because if he sucked, he wouldn't
Speaker 3: be a professional on one of the better lower level
Speaker 3: teams in Europe. I think you have to be somewhat
Speaker 3: of an alpha if you want to come in as
Speaker 3: an attacking player in MLS at the DP spot. And
Speaker 3: it doesn't even need to be like ambiance. You just
Speaker 3: have to deliver, like I think of Albert. Like when
Speaker 3: Albert came, he was Hobby's replacement. He had huge shoes
Speaker 3: to fill and it was an impossible job.
Speaker 4: But if you look at.
Speaker 3: His stat record during his time here, like six or
Speaker 3: seven years, the dude scored a lot of goals and
Speaker 3: like really really good. I mean like really good. And
Speaker 3: if that's going to be kind of how you carry
Speaker 3: yourself on the field. You don't need to be the
Speaker 3: loudest person in the locker room. You don't need to
Speaker 3: be you know, your guy KB five, You don't need
Speaker 3: to be throwing your weight around. But if you're an
Speaker 3: attacking player, man, you got a pretty and I think
Speaker 3: I think we said we talked about this last week,
Speaker 3: but the summer transfer windows signings from last summer are
Speaker 3: no bueno right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, Diego's the bright spot, a mecca
Speaker 2: shout out on a bench and uh oh hato.
Speaker 1: Those two central holding mids are good.
Speaker 4: They're good.
Speaker 2: There's just nothing up top and there's no answer on
Speaker 2: the roster. I mean, I try to wax positive about
Speaker 2: the club. I just it's hard to right now.
Speaker 4: Do you think I'm gonna flip the script on you?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: Do you think the Millers are going to splash the
Speaker 3: cash this summer for a high profile player?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: Now the question that I keep coming back to is
Speaker 2: whether or not, and it might be too late. It
Speaker 2: might be too late because the academy has developed and
Speaker 2: the ethos that developed. I just wonder because I know
Speaker 2: Steve starts, Steve's Eve wants to win.
Speaker 1: He's a competitive dude.
Speaker 2: He you know, Like, I think there's probably I don't
Speaker 2: know this for sure, but I wonder how the Millers
Speaker 2: would articulate the way Ryan is running the Jazz and
Speaker 2: their decision to lose on purpose. The Millers never wanted
Speaker 2: to do that. They always wanted to try to put
Speaker 2: a competitive team on the floor. And I know there
Speaker 2: are Jazz fans listening that will probably say, well, they
Speaker 2: never play luxury tax, and I understand that, but whenever
Speaker 2: I hear the whole like, well, the Millers aren't going
Speaker 2: to invest in soccer because they wouldn't pay luxury tax
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Luxury tax in the NBA is one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million dollars. Spend twenty or thirty on
Speaker 2: the club. I think they'll do that, Yeah, But I
Speaker 2: wonder if at some point anybody will say out loud, like,
Speaker 2: maybe we don't lean in only to developing young players,
Speaker 2: and then moving them on. Maybe we want some good
Speaker 2: players here, that's my hope.
Speaker 3: I yeah, And to your point, they bought a franchise
Speaker 3: that is one of the worst in the Western Conference
Speaker 3: right now in a NWSL. They have the worst team
Speaker 3: in the NWSL right now. Sooner or later, the rubber
Speaker 3: is going to have to meet the road and you're
Speaker 3: going to have to see some infusion of fiscal means
Speaker 3: to upgrade the roster.
Speaker 1: There's no other way right there that it's.
Speaker 3: It like, yes, keep the academy going there will They
Speaker 3: will churn out some players every once in a while,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't work at the level that it does
Speaker 3: in Europe, and you have to be able to convince
Speaker 3: your fan base that you give a damn about him.
Speaker 1: Are you watching so welcome to Wrexham. Do you watch that?
Speaker 4: I do not? You do not?
Speaker 1: Are you anti Ryan Reynolds and the other dude or
Speaker 1: Rob whatever his name is.
Speaker 3: It's not that I'm anti. I just don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of bandwidth for it right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just watched more depressing stuff.
Speaker 1: Are you all caught up on Gem Sounds? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we finished it.
Speaker 3: I still have the finale. Okay, I was out of
Speaker 3: Town last week. Are we saying finale or finale finale
Speaker 3: okay or I don't know? Sounds sounds sophisticated.
Speaker 2: The final iteration, did you watch Goggins on SNL?
Speaker 4: We did?
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: I love Goggins, Baby Billy will Be. I think one
Speaker 3: of the top characters in TV history. I like him
Speaker 3: in Fallout, and that's probably not really up up your avenue,
Speaker 3: but it's a it's a video game show, post apocalyptic,
Speaker 3: pretty good, okay, plays a dude with out a face
Speaker 3: and know, but yeah, I love Goggins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no principles.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I did catch a little SNL Goggins, But I
Speaker 2: got I got to finish the I have to finish
Speaker 2: the final episode of Gemstones, and I have two left
Speaker 2: of severance.
Speaker 1: What I had I didn't finish. I had not intentionally.
Speaker 2: I just had some traveling and I got behind and
Speaker 2: I had to watch like four straight two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: And I've got two more left, so I'll get that done.
Speaker 2: B YU as a new athletic director. His name is
Speaker 2: Brian Santiago. I don't know Brian well, I've met him
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I played in a group behind
Speaker 2: him at Steve Young's charity golf tournament name drop flex
Speaker 2: b YU fans.
Speaker 4: What up, how's the swing?
Speaker 1: Good player?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good player.
Speaker 2: I have been surprised to both hear from privately BYU
Speaker 2: fans and then and read online BYU fans not react
Speaker 2: positively to this hire. But from what I can ascertain,
Speaker 2: the feel is like I was at the Wilkin line
Speaker 2: for chocolate milk and Santiago did not say hi to me.
Speaker 2: I was waiting in line for cougartail Lavelle Edwards. I
Speaker 2: saw Santiago. I tried to say hello, and he kept walking.
Speaker 4: He handed me the razor and said go shave correctly.
Speaker 1: That's the feel I get.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything like this won't work because he's
Speaker 2: not good at his job, or this won't work because
Speaker 2: he doesn't have good relationships. It's the feel of church
Speaker 2: ran over and he left without saying hello to our family,
Speaker 2: Like it's weird personal interaction, Like he doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: have the reputation of a very nice guy. Okay, And
Speaker 2: here's the thing. It doesn't matter, No, it doesn't, and
Speaker 2: we do. That's another thing that we do here that
Speaker 2: drives me crazy. Like if you had one interaction at
Speaker 2: Jay Doggs in Provo where he took your barbecue sauce
Speaker 2: and you had to for more. It doesn't mean he's
Speaker 2: not going to be good at his job. That's the
Speaker 2: feel I get that. That's kind of the the take
Speaker 2: on the higher What he is my understanding is very
Speaker 2: good friends with Ryan Smith and Danny Inge. And that's
Speaker 2: fine because this really is a relationship business. And if
Speaker 2: you're going to be an ad at a P four
Speaker 2: institution in the current landscape of collegiate athletics, your number
Speaker 2: one qualification is are you friends with rich people? And
Speaker 2: without Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge, Kevin Young's not the
Speaker 2: head coach at BYU, And in one year, Kevin Young
Speaker 2: has turned that thing into something that, if it keeps ticking,
Speaker 2: is going to be really, really good. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if you could add any context of this whole situation,
Speaker 2: but that's kind of my understanding of where we're at
Speaker 2: with this new hire.
Speaker 3: I don't know Brian at all, and that I did
Speaker 3: not know that there is a undercurrent of frustration, can
Speaker 3: we say, or dissatisfaction. Dissatisfaction, Yeah, well, I'll go on
Speaker 3: a tangent for you. Once upon a time somebody did
Speaker 3: hand me a razor at BYU and said, you have
Speaker 3: to go shave or else can't be allowed into this dance.
Speaker 4: Wow, guess what I did?
Speaker 1: Are you snuck in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a boy because you weren't a student down there.
Speaker 3: Come on, they were like, here's this, here's this ninety
Speaker 3: nine cent razor that will slice your skin off. No,
Speaker 3: no shaving cream.
Speaker 1: Did you have the thick sea cake?
Speaker 4: So thick?
Speaker 3: But it was thick enough like yours where it was
Speaker 3: like it was gonna hurt. So I just went into
Speaker 3: the bathroom, faked it, came around, came out and snuck in.
Speaker 4: Anyways, was it a linger?
Speaker 1: Longer?
Speaker 4: It was a linger?
Speaker 1: It was okay.
Speaker 3: Important context, Brian Santiago has very big shoes to fill,
Speaker 3: and maybe there is a portion of the fan base
Speaker 3: that is nervous that he.
Speaker 4: May not be able to live up to.
Speaker 3: Uh, the expectations and the types of hires. I mean,
Speaker 3: Tom Holmo, the guy really oversaw tumultuous Chaine, good and
Speaker 3: bad for the amount of time he was there. Like
Speaker 3: going through the Route of Independence, which was much maligned
Speaker 3: by a lot of folks, here locally. You know BYU
Speaker 3: fans in my life still are angry about it, But
Speaker 3: the dude made hires, and when you make hires generally
Speaker 3: things work out. So to your point, Brian Santiago's number
Speaker 3: one thing on his list has to be maintain relationships
Speaker 3: with those heavy hitters, the guys who open up their checkbooks.
Speaker 3: And when the time comes, you have to figure out
Speaker 3: who's going to be, you know, leading your profitable programs,
Speaker 3: because if you have the right people in place, you're
Speaker 3: going to be okay more often than not.
Speaker 2: And I think one of the frustrations that's been shared
Speaker 2: to me with people who are close to BYU athletics
Speaker 2: and who it's very close to their hearts and b
Speaker 2: WHYU fans are very passionate, they love their teams. I
Speaker 2: think one of the things that they were expecting based
Speaker 2: off of I think it's Shane rees excuse me, see
Speaker 2: Shane rees Se period.
Speaker 1: Shane president of BYU.
Speaker 2: Three months ago, when Tom announced his retirement, he said, okay,
Speaker 2: national search, we are interviewing big hitters, heavy hitters across
Speaker 2: the country. And you know, whether it's Scott O'Neill who
Speaker 2: was with the Sixers and now is the CEO of
Speaker 2: Live or The name I threw out was Brian Rolap,
Speaker 2: who is Roger Goodell's like right hand man. I don't
Speaker 2: know how realistic that is. Brian lives in Darien, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: He's in my family's stake, and so we know the
Speaker 2: rowlapse and the feeling is when Goodell has done. Brian
Speaker 2: Rolap could be the commissioner of the NFL, but he's
Speaker 2: a Mormon dude, b YU guy lds excuse me. And
Speaker 2: I think they were expecting I think BYU fans were
Speaker 2: expecting some big, heavy hitter from somewhere else in the
Speaker 2: country that has run pro teams that has like Scott
Speaker 2: O'Neil would have been a great call, but I think
Speaker 2: is comfortable where he's at, and Scott is a dynamic
Speaker 2: sports professional who's a really good dude.
Speaker 1: Would have been a great hire.
Speaker 2: But there may have been like an over expectation of
Speaker 2: what the athletic director BYU means. And you're not going
Speaker 2: to leave your job is the number two at the
Speaker 2: NFL to go run BYU Athletics.
Speaker 1: You're just not. So it's like everything else we talk about.
Speaker 2: I think the expectation was up here and I think
Speaker 2: the Santiago news kind of caught people in an underwhelming fashion.
Speaker 3: Do you think the precedent of them being able to
Speaker 3: steal the hire of Kevin Young maybe set their mind
Speaker 3: in motion. Maybe where their point If we can get
Speaker 3: the guy who is going to be the next big
Speaker 3: NBA head coach, why can't we get the guy who
Speaker 3: is a GM of a major sports franchise to run
Speaker 3: our athletic department.
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 3: I mean, it seemed like conventional wisdom always pointed to Santiago.
Speaker 3: In this day and age, I think it would be
Speaker 3: very difficult for somebody who has not been in the
Speaker 3: room on a day to day basis during this insane
Speaker 3: amount of change to come in and be like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let me learn about this ongoing house settlement versus the
Speaker 3: NCAA that is changing at every basic turn every single day.
Speaker 3: Tell me about nil, tell me about this and that
Speaker 3: Brian Santiago has been in all those meetings for ad
Speaker 3: nauseum forever, so he knows.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven years ago came to BYU as a member
Speaker 2: of Steve Cleveland's staff.
Speaker 1: On the basketball side.
Speaker 2: I believe you can hear Steve Cleveland breaking down basketball
Speaker 2: in the market somewhere mornings and then twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: Tom hires Brian. I don't know how long he was
Speaker 2: the associate AD, but I do know he was one
Speaker 2: of Tom's right hand men for twenty years. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: to your point, to watch Tom traverse the space and
Speaker 2: learn from him on the job, my guests would be
Speaker 2: Tom probably lobbied for it to have Santiago get the gig.
Speaker 2: There's this narrative out there that Brian Santiago is like
Speaker 2: their sixth or seventh choice. I can't speak to that.
Speaker 2: But the position of athletic director I don't think is
Speaker 2: as appealing of a job as most people fully believe.
Speaker 3: Why would it be, I don't actually And especially listen man,
Speaker 3: you have to understand what you're getting into at a
Speaker 3: school like b YU for for the good and for
Speaker 3: the difficulty. Well, right, like the fact that they've been
Speaker 3: able to write the ship, so to speak, with Kilane
Speaker 3: Higher and bringing Kevin Ky, your being able to bring
Speaker 3: them on, but just the entire landscape of what you're facing.
Speaker 3: You have to understand what you're going to have to
Speaker 3: do on a day to day basis. Bringing in somebody
Speaker 3: who Scott O'Neill's where's he at Sixers or Flyers?
Speaker 2: Scot O'Neil, now I believe is the CEO of Live Golf,
Speaker 2: Live Golf, but he was running, yeah, the Flyers and
Speaker 2: the Sixers. Okay, so he's got that Saudi money now,
Speaker 2: like he's say what you want about it? We can
Speaker 2: and we have, but I don't think Scott's leaving that
Speaker 2: to be the ad of by.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I don't.
Speaker 3: We can't Grandma or Foyer request what these guys are
Speaker 3: being paid because they are at a private institution. My
Speaker 3: guess would be it would be a step down for
Speaker 3: a lot of folks who are in the professional realm,
Speaker 3: especially if he's getting that live money. So it just
Speaker 3: made sense for the guy to follow Tom as somebody
Speaker 3: who has basically been with him for the last several years.
Speaker 2: Do you recall And I'm honestly asking to ask, because
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this when I was getting these
Speaker 2: texts from BYU fans like, hey, you're going to talk
Speaker 2: about the Santiago stuff. Well, yeah, he's the idea at BYU. Okay,
Speaker 2: well he's not very nice, he's this or that or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then some of the online stuff where there are
Speaker 2: people that are very outward about like how mad they are.
Speaker 1: That this was the deal.
Speaker 4: I did not know this.
Speaker 2: I got to dive in, Yeah, dive in, and you know,
Speaker 2: just the position of athletic director. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much context or color I've douted the conversation nationwide, but
Speaker 2: there have been a lot of youth fans that have
Speaker 2: soured on Mark. A lot of youth fans have soured
Speaker 2: on Mark Carlin. And I'll continue to say Mark personally
Speaker 2: has always been good to me. Comes on the show,
Speaker 2: he answers questions, all that stuff. The whole post game
Speaker 2: pressure after the BYU Utah football game was just a
Speaker 2: really odd choice that did not land well with anybody,
Speaker 2: including you fans, and it left him open for a
Speaker 2: ton of criticism from BYU fans. I still would have
Speaker 2: loved to be a fly on the wall when Brett
Speaker 2: or Mark woke up and said, what are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I actually think Mark got off pretty easy based off.
Speaker 1: Of what he had to say.
Speaker 2: So do you do you feel like there has been
Speaker 2: a little bit of a change of a feel in
Speaker 2: the community about Mark Carlon at all?
Speaker 1: Is that landed all with you?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's the ad just being
Speaker 2: an easy target for people because sports fans are so.
Speaker 3: Crazy, anybody who's in charge is going to bear the
Speaker 3: brunt of a lot of grief that that folks have.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to say, it's hard to distill
Speaker 3: down to the corners of the very sad existence of
Speaker 3: sports internet as well. But listen, I think Utah fans
Speaker 3: wanted the running utes to be resurrected for a long time,
Speaker 3: and they got. They got pretty much everybody wanted to
Speaker 3: be hired was Alex Jensen. Kyle Whittingham's just gonna keep
Speaker 3: doing it until he decides to ride his motorcycle forever.
Speaker 3: And they've been they've been raising money for for you know,
Speaker 3: facilities and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: One I think you can say a a misstep is
Speaker 3: I think the collective got off to a slower start
Speaker 3: when it when nil really took off. So I'm interested
Speaker 3: to see how that goes and see how Utah handles when,
Speaker 3: if and when the house settlement gets finalized and everybody's
Speaker 3: allotted that twenty point five million, how Mark and his
Speaker 3: staff decide to really break that down to various teams
Speaker 3: and players on their athletic rosters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think there's another thing, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's as and we've kind of discussed this.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as prevalent with the University of
Speaker 2: Utah as it is with BYU, because even I listened
Speaker 2: to the introductory press conference earlier today where President Reese
Speaker 2: and Brian Santiago addressed the media and addressed the contingent,
Speaker 2: and it really is steeped in we needed a BYU guy,
Speaker 2: We needed a BYU blue guy. And even the religious
Speaker 2: dogmatic language is used like we need somebody who loves Jesus,
Speaker 2: like they talk like that. So we need a BYU
Speaker 2: guy who's going to further the message of Jesus, who's
Speaker 2: going to foster a community of disciple graduates who move
Speaker 2: on and make a difference in the world. So I
Speaker 2: know that's more unique to forty five miles down south
Speaker 2: and isn't as prevalent here in Salt Lake. But is
Speaker 2: there a little bit of a feel you think that
Speaker 2: Mark isn't necessarily a guy that is a Utah guy.
Speaker 1: I saw it guy. I mean doctor Hill wasn't either.
Speaker 4: That was gonna be my point.
Speaker 2: But I was, But also I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 2: I don't recall it. I was in the I was
Speaker 2: in the media when Doctor Hill was the ad because
Speaker 2: I can remember when he and Monson had their thing
Speaker 2: right and which time, well right, right, But I was
Speaker 2: doing radio part of the time when Doctor Hill came
Speaker 2: out and said Gordon wrote a piece criticizing because I
Speaker 2: don't know that doctor Hill really ever wanted to play
Speaker 2: BYU and anything. I'm not speaking for him. I just
Speaker 2: don't think he was a big fan of that dynamic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Monson writes this huge piece like doctor Hill's wrong here,
Speaker 2: Chris comes out with a whole like self serving media.
Speaker 2: After a while, Chris agreed to come on our show
Speaker 2: and it was really frosty, and that was doing radio
Speaker 2: with Gordon, which made it a lot of fun. Did
Speaker 2: Doctor Hill seem to have the same sort of criticism
Speaker 2: levied his way from the community or maybe social media
Speaker 2: gives people voices.
Speaker 4: Social media gives people voices.
Speaker 3: Once upon a time there was a very public back
Speaker 3: and forth between Chris and Kyle during some contract stuff.
Speaker 3: And are you know my colleagues, some of my closest friends,
Speaker 3: Matt Piper and Kyle Goon were on the beat then,
Speaker 3: and it got pretty frosty and contentious publicly between those two.
Speaker 3: But one thing I would say about Chris is that,
Speaker 3: like he understood that things could get sideways, but like
Speaker 3: it helps everybody out to like sit down and talk
Speaker 3: it out as adults in private and on the record.
Speaker 3: And there's a reason why he was so good at
Speaker 3: what he did for such a long time is because
Speaker 3: when you have a working relationship that is as unique
Speaker 3: as the media that's covering an institution and the guy
Speaker 3: in charge of calling the shots of a multi million
Speaker 3: dollar athletic department, it's not always going to be roses.
Speaker 3: And I think one thing that's been kind of missed
Speaker 3: here is that because a store, a story may come
Speaker 3: out that's not portraying your university or your team in
Speaker 3: a very glowing light, is not a personal thing. Sometimes
Speaker 3: facts can be facts. But I think unfortunately, and especially
Speaker 3: in this market, we've we've had this kind of shift
Speaker 3: towards media members who are always going to put a
Speaker 3: spin on it that makes the people or the team
Speaker 3: or the institution that they're covering seem like they can
Speaker 3: do no wrong, and that is not the right way
Speaker 3: of doing the job you have.
Speaker 4: But that is where that is. That is for the reality.
Speaker 1: Checkpot where you and I are on the same page.
Speaker 2: All right, I've kept you too long, and I know
Speaker 2: that you need to get home to watch the well
Speaker 2: and you also want to watch the Knicks advance to
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in twenty
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 3: Question before I go, what do you got? What is
Speaker 3: Brian Santiago's first Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: It won't be near as good as Tom's, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that much. It will not get to see as
Speaker 1: he can.
Speaker 4: Thanks man,