1 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:39,399 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:43,039 going to bring you this week's episode of drag Net. 4 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:45,799 But first I do want to encourage you, if you 5 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,600 are enjoying the podcast, to please follow us using your 6 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:54,799 favorite podcast software. And today's program is brought you in 7 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,759 part by the financial support of our listeners. 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A sixty four 18 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,079 year old shopkeeper is found murdered, beaten to death in 19 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:03,840 the back room of his store. The body bears the 20 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:06,959 marks of a savage attack. There's no trace of the killer. 21 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:19,319 Speaker 3: Your job get him. 22 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,199 Speaker 4: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For 23 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,199 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 24 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,319 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 25 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,000 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 26 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:36,560 official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment, 27 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,719 Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. 28 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: It was Wednesday, February nineteenth, was cloudy in Los Angeles. 29 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:51,800 We were working to night watch out a homicide detail. 30 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:55,360 My partner's Ben Romero. The boss's Thad Brown, Chief of Detectives. 31 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,520 My name is Friday. We're on the way out from 32 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,560 the office and it was ten fifty six pm when 33 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,319 we got to ten sixteen South Twelfth Street, the apex 34 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:03,919 Man's Shop. 35 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 6: Yes, Sir Friday and Romero, Central Homicide High de Cord. 36 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,199 Speaker 7: Oh, yes, I've been waiting for you. My partner's upstairs 37 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,080 in the back talking. 38 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 5: To victim's wife. You answered the call. Dig Yeah, that's right. 39 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 7: Miles and Kiva, Unit sixteen are who are you? 40 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:21,719 Speaker 5: Miles? 41 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,759 Speaker 7: Kiva's talking to Missus Wilford, victim's wife. She found the body. 42 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,479 Speaker 6: What's that up a blouve? How's that music up for somewhere? 43 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,360 Sounds like a party? 44 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well that's a dance place. 45 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 5: Takes a hole up the floor of the building. 46 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 6: Wonderland Dance Hall. 47 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: I think that's it. 48 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: When was the body find, Miles? You know? 49 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,639 Speaker 7: Well, the wife wasn't very definite about it. She told 50 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:41,960 her she came in the shop here about ten o'clock tonight. 51 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,639 The place was wide open, nobody behind the counter said. 52 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,840 She looked around a while, finally found her husband's body 53 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,599 in the storeroom. Back there for a week's stomach's pretty brutal. 54 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:52,240 What else do you have to say? 55 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 5: Oh, not too much. 56 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:54,199 Speaker 6: She's pretty close mouthed. 57 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,599 Speaker 7: Probably the shock of finding her husband like that. 58 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 8: I don't know. 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,919 Speaker 5: Do you want to show us where he is, Miles, Yeah, 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,199 it's straight back this way. 61 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 7: The victim's name is Joseph Wilford. Owned the store around 62 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:08,520 it himself. My wife says he's had the business here 63 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,000 for twenty three years. It's a typical men's shop. And 64 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:17,160 you can see that that's around the left in here. Okay, 65 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,319 go ahead, he used this for a storeroom. 66 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:28,079 Speaker 6: I guess that's it. As far as we know the 67 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:29,160 body hasn't be touched. 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, sure took a terrible being the elderly man. 69 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 7: My wife said he was sixty four last birthday. She 70 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,480 couldn't think of any enemies he has. Anybody want to 71 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:38,720 do this? 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,079 Speaker 6: Where'd he keep his cash? Did she tell you that? 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,720 No cashratister? 74 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 7: I guess can't be sure the lighton Prince gets here? 75 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: Yeah? Did you call the crime lab yet? I wait 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,240 for you, Fellows. I want to call him now, would 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,519 you min sure? Sor say you might as well call 78 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,240 the coroner while you're at it. Tell him it's no 79 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:52,680 big rush. 80 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:54,439 Speaker 10: Yeah right. 81 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,319 Speaker 6: Take a look around here, Jill. It's like a tornado 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:04:59,920 ripped through. 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, chair overturned, flows all over the floor. Yeah, however, 84 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,399 man look at the body. Yeah, his arms tied behind 85 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:11,839 his back. 86 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 6: Ordinary clothesline? Row? What's that cloth k nodding around his neck? 87 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. Looks like it could be a woman's slip, 88 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:19,519 isn't it. 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 9: Whoever it was, they weren't taking any chances he lived 90 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:23,600 through it. 91 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 5: The wounds on. 92 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 6: The head here and the next thing, Yeah, looks like 93 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:31,199 he was stamped on by boots something like that. Maybe 94 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,800 a narrow heel show brutal. 95 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 5: He doesn't look too much like a robbery motive, not 96 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,920 from the beating he took, anyway, looks. 97 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:42,879 Speaker 6: Like he might have had a taste for art all 98 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,279 over the wall here pin up girls, fancy counter the 99 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:46,920 crime lab. 100 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 7: On a way off? 101 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: Oh thanks Madams notified deputy corner. 102 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 6: Anything else I can do for you? 103 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: Yeah? Would you mind getting a wife down here? Miss 104 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,920 Wilford would like to talk to her? Sure, right away, 105 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:56,279 thank you. 106 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 6: How's she feeling any hysterics? 107 00:05:58,199 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 5: No, she's pretty quiet. 108 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 7: She went upstairs to rest a couple of housekeeping rooms 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,160 up there. 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,079 Speaker 5: I guess that's where she and her husband live. What'll 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,959 tell her she doesn't feel too well? We could come 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 up there and talk to her. 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 6: Right, what do you think? 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 5: I don't know. We'll see what the crime lab can 115 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,279 come up with. We can start checking around the neighborhood 116 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:15,160 after we talk to the wife. 117 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 6: Take a look here. 118 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 5: What's that there? 119 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,079 Speaker 6: It's funny. Not much place in a habitash raet for 120 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:28,959 things like this. Look a woman's nightgown, black lace packed 121 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:30,720 in a gift? Is that a card there? 122 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 5: Yeah? See if we can read it without touching? It 123 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,519 says to a beautiful girl, you've been away too long, 124 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:40,800 hoping we'll never be parted again, Signed Joseph Wilford. 125 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 6: Seems a little funny. Huh, maybe his wife's been on 126 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,519 a trip. He's going to give it to hers a bread. 127 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 9: When's the last time you gave your wife a black 128 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:49,519 lace nightgown? 129 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 5: Eleven o five pm. The two officers who'd answered the call, 130 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,040 Miles and Keever, brought the victims way. Missus Agnes Wilford downstairs, 131 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,360 and Ben and I questioned her. She was a small, 132 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:07,480 slight woman, dark haired, dark brown eyes, and sharp nose 133 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,040 and chin. She looked to be in her early fifties. 134 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:12,480 She said that both she and her husband had emigrated 135 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,079 to America from northern Germany twenty five years before. We 136 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,319 asked her how her married life with mister Wilfrid had been, 137 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,040 but you kept dodging the question. We asked her how 138 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,519 she happened to find the body. 139 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 6: The bodies just as you found it, Missus Wilford. You 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,879 didn't disturb anything. 141 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:27,399 Speaker 5: No. 142 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 11: I just came back from her friends and looked, and 143 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:31,079 I saw him and he was dead. 144 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,879 Speaker 10: Somebody killed Joseph. 145 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: And you're pretty sure that your husband wasn't having any 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,639 trouble with anybody. 147 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,439 Speaker 10: No, m No, he didn't have any enemies. Not to 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:38,839 do this. 149 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 6: Here's Ma'amma. You lived upstairs in the back of the 150 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:42,920 store with mister Wilfrid, Is that rightman? 151 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 11: For a long time? Yes, we lived upstairs in the rooms. 152 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,519 It was nice, saved money for rend. 153 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:50,319 Speaker 5: Well. Do you have any idea at all why her 154 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:52,319 husband's dead, Why somebody'd want to kill him? 155 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:55,519 Speaker 11: There was money in the store they'd kill for there, 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,279 you policemen, people killed for money, you know that. 157 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,079 Speaker 9: Do you know where mister Wilfrid kept his money, ma'am? 158 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 11: There was a wooden drawer on the table in the 159 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:08,160 back roomy would keep the money there. But I looked 160 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:09,959 when I came in first, it was empty. 161 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: Was there any money in that drawer tonight? You know that? 162 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,279 Speaker 10: Oh? 163 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 11: Yes, three four hundred dollars? Anyway, Joseph always kept it 164 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,279 in there a terrible place up above the music all 165 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,399 the time, the noise. 166 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,959 Speaker 10: You should make them be quiet. The dance halls have 167 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 been up there for a year tonight, anyway, this should 168 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:29,759 be quietes, ma'am. 169 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,039 Speaker 6: About the money mister Wilfrid had in this. 170 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:36,399 Speaker 11: Store, maybe one thousand dollars seven eight hundred, maybe that anyway. 171 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 10: And then his wristwatch he had on that's gone too. 172 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 6: Can you give us a description of the watch, Missus Wilford? 173 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:42,960 What make it was? 174 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,519 Speaker 5: What look like? 175 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:45,159 Speaker 10: Yes, I can give that to you. 176 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 11: It's white gold, expensive riding on the back, Agnes Joseph 177 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:54,879 one birthday I gave it to him. 178 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:57,159 Speaker 5: Have you been away from your husband recently, ma'am? I 179 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,679 mean on a trip or anything like that. 180 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 10: No, I haven't been way. 181 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 5: Why well, we don't mean to upset you at a 182 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,200 time like this, but would you know if your husband 183 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,679 had any women friends? Ms? 184 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 10: Wolf, if you have a cigarette, I'd like one. 185 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:14,919 Speaker 6: Oh yes, ma'am. 186 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 10: Here we are, thank you very much. 187 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 5: Thank you for your liking. Thank you. 188 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 10: Do we have to talk about it? 189 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 6: I'm afraid some man, most. 190 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 10: Of them, I know, for ten years it's been like this. 191 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 11: There were many of them, young women. Joseph didn't try 192 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,480 to hide it from me. I knew all about it. 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 5: And you continued to live with your husband all this time. 194 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:47,039 Speaker 6: Man, I did. 195 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:49,919 Speaker 10: He'd bring the girls to the shop here. 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 11: Sometimes when they'd come, I'd go away for a while. 197 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,879 After they were gone, I'd come back Joseph and I 198 00:09:57,919 --> 00:09:59,080 would never talk about it. 199 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 9: You mean you never had any arguments with your husband 200 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,159 about the women. 201 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,159 Speaker 11: No, he never lied to me about the girls he 202 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,120 had them, that's all. This was something he expected me 203 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:10,840 to understand. 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 6: I see you say you knew several of these women 205 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:15,840 your husband went out with. Could you give us their names? 206 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 5: Please? 207 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,799 Speaker 11: Yes, there's an address book upstairs in Joseph's desk. 208 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:19,799 Speaker 10: The names are in there. 209 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 5: I see. 210 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 9: Would you mind joining us that address book now? 211 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 5: Please? 212 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 10: Yes, we can go upstairs. I'll get it for you. 213 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 6: There's one question I'd like to ask you, Missus Wilfrid, 214 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:31,919 about your husband. 215 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 12: Ma'am. 216 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 11: I don't know, hurt very much at first, and then 217 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,039 by and by didn't hurt so much. 218 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 10: Time, I guess. Beg your pardon if you want. 219 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 11: To get used to anything, Yes, ma'am, even a man 220 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:54,679 who doesn't love you anymore. 221 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 5: We went upstairs to the housekeeping rooms, where Missus Wilfrid 222 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,279 gave us her husband's personal address book. She also gave 223 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,480 us a description of his wristwatch, which had been removed 224 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,159 from the body, along with the name of the jeweler 225 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:13,080 who'd sold her the watch. It was a Hamilton with 226 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,080 a diamond studded dial. The crime lab crew arrived downstairs 227 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,120 and began their routine investigation. We finished questioning the victim's wife, 228 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,879 and then we started checking the neighborhood. Only a few 229 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:26,240 of the stores in the area were still open. We 230 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:29,480 found only one possible witness, a newsboy who told us 231 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,799 that he'd seen an attractive, dark haired woman enter the 232 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,039 store earlier in the night, at about eight thirty p m. 233 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,840 His description of her was only sketchy. Another hour of 234 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:39,919 checking the neighborhood and we went back to the store. 235 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,039 Lieutenant Lee Jones and the crime lab crew finished checking 236 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:45,480 over the entire layout. They went back downtown to give 237 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,039 a thorough examination to what physical evidence that they'd found. 238 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:51,879 The deputy coroner arrived and removed the body. Together with 239 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:54,600 hubcun Forbes from Homicide, Ben and I spent most of 240 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:56,720 the next day checking with store owners in the immediate 241 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,639 neighborhood of Wilfrid's Haberdashery. They could tell us nothing we 242 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,519 had already found out. We got the description and serial 243 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,879 numbers of the victim's missing wristwatch, notified the pawn shop detail, 244 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:09,080 and got out a broadcast on it. Three forty five pm. 245 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:10,200 We checked with the office. 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,399 Speaker 6: We've got a slow enough start on this thing. Huh. 247 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,080 Everybody tells it's the same story. 248 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, seems to be pretty common know age. He had 249 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,600 a lot of girlfriends. I guess we better start checking 250 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,720 out the names of that address book. Huh. 251 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, her beats all doesn't in jail? 252 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:26,879 Speaker 5: What's that? 253 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 6: Missus will for ten years? Her husband's dating other women 254 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,440 right in front of her isn't normal? And see why 255 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,799 she didn't just pack up and leave. 256 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to figure that maybe she was 257 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:38,360 still in love with him. Wonder how Forbes and Hubco 258 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:38,720 made out. 259 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 6: I checked the books. If we got a call? 260 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, see, no, no word from her? 261 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 6: No? Lee Jones called from the crime lab wants us 262 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,200 to check with him. I call him two six six 263 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:54,879 seventh please, that's right. 264 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 5: I guess we better check with the morgue too. Huh. 265 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,159 See if they got the body posted yet? 266 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 6: Yeah? I leave from maryl Oh, what was did you 267 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:08,000 get the name? I see? All right, I'm buy what 268 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,879 do you have? Lee talked to the corner already. Wilfred 269 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:13,399 died about nine o'clock because of death with strangulation. 270 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 9: How about those wounds in the head and on the neck. 271 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,759 Speaker 6: That didn't do it. The cloth died around his neck 272 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,200 was a woman's slip for her? 273 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 9: Or did you pick up anything off at any laundry marks? 274 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 6: And he did better than that. Yeah, we got the 275 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,159 name of the laundry. 276 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 5: After checking for all stains and markings on the woman's slip, 277 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,120 which had been found knotted around the murder victim's neck, 278 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,840 Lee Jones had examined it under a special fluorescent light. 279 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,279 He found a type of marking used by only one 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,840 large laundry service in the city. We checked with the 281 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,080 managers of the laundry company and found that the slip 282 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,440 had been cleaned by them for a miss Elised Dressler. 283 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,840 She had a North Hudson Street address. We started checking 284 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:49,320 on her. The first lead came from the dead man's 285 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,440 personal address book. We found the name of Elisee Dressler 286 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:55,200 listed along with her address and telephone number. There was 287 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,960 a single word scribbled beside her name and enclosed with parentheses. 288 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,039 It said Max. That was all five forty two pm. 289 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,919 We drove out to the address, a Spanish style apartment 290 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:08,440 house on North Hudson. We rang but there was no answer. 291 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:11,080 The apartment manager told us Miss Dresler worked as a 292 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,679 dancer at the nightclub on West Seventh Street. Ben and 293 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,080 I drove to the club, a high price theater restaurant, 294 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,559 which was newly opened. We were told the least dressler 295 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,080 wasn't due there until nine pm. We had a couple 296 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,960 of ham and cheese sandwhich isn't some coffee at a 297 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:24,919 lunch cotter, and we checked back at the club a 298 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,320 few minutes past nine. The show was already started. We 299 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,480 located the dressler girl in her room backstage. She was 300 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,720 a tall, fairly attractive blonde. We started questioning. 301 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,639 Speaker 6: Her, Can you tell us where you were last night? Miss? 302 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 12: Yeah? 303 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 13: All right here I work every night at Monday. 304 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: We closed in What time did you get here last night? 305 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 13: Just about eight o'clock. I had something to eat and 306 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,559 a change in my costume, went to work. 307 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:47,279 Speaker 6: Do you know if mister and Wilfrid had any enemies? No, 308 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,200 maybe somebody was having trouble with No. 309 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,799 Speaker 13: Oh, maybe that wife of his. Is none of my business. 310 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:52,320 I wouldn't know. 311 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: You can't think of anybody at all or might want 312 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:54,759 him out of the way. 313 00:14:55,159 --> 00:14:57,039 Speaker 14: No, I don't think so. He and Max Hollins had 314 00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:58,960 some arguments. But that's only time I saw Joe mad 315 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,919 at anybody. This Max Hollins, he's the man who arranged 316 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:03,120 for me to come out from New York. 317 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,639 Speaker 13: Joe Max been friends for a long time. 318 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:07,039 Speaker 6: What were the arguments about Miss Tresler? Do you remember? 319 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:07,519 Speaker 1: Yeah? 320 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 13: About me? 321 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 14: You see, Max brought me out here, and I suppose 322 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:11,679 at first he thought he owned me. He think I 323 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:13,279 should go out with any other men but him. 324 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 13: Max's Steven sometimes was so my I like Wilford, so 325 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,320 I went out with him. I went out with Max too. 326 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,519 Speaker 5: Well, these arguments they had about you, would you say 327 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,519 that they were pretty mad at each other? Max and 328 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:23,480 this mister Wilfrid. 329 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:25,879 Speaker 14: Well, last week Max was very angry with Joe, but 330 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 I think he got over it. 331 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 13: Could we talk together later. It's almost time for me 332 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:29,639 to go on. 333 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 10: I'm been to get outside. 334 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,919 Speaker 5: Oh sure, excuse me, I'll get it. We'll wait backstage 335 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:36,679 here for you, Miss Tresler. Is that all right? 336 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 10: Yeah? 337 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,519 Speaker 13: Fine? Oh that's all right. I still have a few minutes. 338 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 5: Well, how about the last time you were in Wilfrid's store, 339 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,240 Miss Tresler? Can you remember that? 340 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 14: Not exactly at least six months ago? I hardly ever 341 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,799 went to see Joe there. 342 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:50,159 Speaker 6: Did you ever have any occasion to leave any clothing 343 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,120 with Wilfrid and his store? Maybe for cleaning alteration? 344 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:55,799 Speaker 13: No, I never left him. Maybe it's possible they could 345 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:56,159 be there. 346 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:56,879 Speaker 5: What do you mean? 347 00:15:57,399 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 13: I have some nice slips? 348 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:58,519 Speaker 10: You know? 349 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 14: First I sent him out, but Joe saying you're a 350 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:02,519 very nice French laundry to do him? He come to 351 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:03,759 my place to pick him up and then take him 352 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:05,360 to the laundry. Maybe he could have left him in 353 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,080 his shop one day. 354 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 5: Well, would anybody besides yourself have access to the clothes 355 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:10,600 in your apartment? Maybe a roommate? 356 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 13: No, I live by myself. 357 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:14,519 Speaker 14: I have the only key to the door except Max Hollands, 358 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:15,279 he's got one. 359 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,039 Speaker 13: It is my apartment house see upstairs floor. Nobody else 360 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,519 had the key. 361 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 6: Could you send any clothing to the French laundry with 362 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:21,919 mister Wilfrid recently? 363 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,879 Speaker 14: Yesterday I did two nice slips of mine. But Joe 364 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:26,639 Wilford didn't call him. I send him over with Max. 365 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: How'd that happen? 366 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,039 Speaker 14: Max said he might as well take him. He was 367 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,840 going down that neighborhood by the habitash room and I 368 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,600 want to see Wilford anyway, Max that he wanted to 369 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,600 fix up their argument. 370 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:42,039 Speaker 5: We continued questioning the Dressler girl after she finished her 371 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,440 first act at the theater restaurant. She told us that 372 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,159 she hadn't seen Max Hollands since early the day before. 373 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,679 She was taken downtown, where she gave us a full statement. 374 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:52,919 Further questioning got us the information that the argument between 375 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,759 the two men, Joseph Wilfrid and Max Hollins over the 376 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,200 affections of Elice Dressler, was far from settled. At their 377 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,159 last meeting. The girl admitted that it was a serious 378 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,200 argument and that it ended up in a fistfight between 379 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,640 the two men. She said Max Hollins was out of 380 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,559 town for the night, but that he'd return early the 381 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:10,440 next evening for work. He was employed as manager of 382 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,640 a room service department at a large downtown hotel. Eleven 383 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:16,960 thirty pm, Ben and I drove back to the apartment 384 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,279 house on North Hudson, and together with a building manager, 385 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,799 we checked Max Holland's apartment. We found nothing. The manager 386 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,279 told us Holland's car was parked in the apartment garage, 387 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,079 so we went down and gave it a routine check 388 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,640 under the front seat, we found a paper bag with 389 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,799 a pair of gloves in it. There were bloodstains on 390 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,440 both gloves. We dropped him off at the crime lab 391 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,559 for examination. At six o'clock the following night, Ben and 392 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:39,640 I went to the room service department of the Downtown 393 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,400 hotel where Hollins was employed. 394 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,559 Speaker 15: Sorry, said mister Hollins is late, this seitting. It should 395 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:45,200 be here pretty soon. 396 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:46,599 Speaker 6: You notify you had been late. 397 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 15: Well, he caught. Yes, probably be here in ten to 398 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:50,400 fifteen minutes. I'm his assistant, can help it. 399 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 5: No, it's all right, we'll wait, all right, pardon me, 400 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:54,599 I wonder if we could look at your wristwatch. 401 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,839 Speaker 15: Please, surely it's just a few minutes past it. 402 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 5: We just wanted to look at the watch if we 403 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,960 call sure here, could you take it off, like, look 404 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,119 at the back of it if it's all right? 405 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,079 Speaker 15: Sure, that's all right, Yeah, that's looking at it. 406 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 6: Just got it yesterday, that's all same. Engraving agonist to Joseph. 407 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 5: Where'd you get this watch? Sir? All right? What's the matter? 408 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:14,640 Where'd you get it? 409 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 15: Max Hollins? He sold it. 410 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: Tommy, You are listening to Dragnet. Actual stories from official 411 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,559 police files. 412 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 5: February twenty first, Friday, six thirty pm, we called the 413 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,839 office and notified them that we'd located the wristwatch taken 414 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,359 from the body of the murder victim, Joseph Wilfrid. A 415 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,119 stakeout was placed on the North Hudson Street department house. 416 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:53,480 Ben and I stayed on at the hotel waiting the 417 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:56,880 return of the murder suspect, Max Hollands. We talked to 418 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,799 his assistant and found out that Hollins had a room 419 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:00,599 in the hotel where he could sleep whenever he was 420 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:04,119 called on to work. Late at night, six fifty five pm, 421 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,200 we called the office back and asked for a couple 422 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,240 of men to be sent over to check the suspects room. 423 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,240 A few minutes later, Hollins himself showed up for work. 424 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:14,200 Apparently he'd been doing some drinking. Ben and I questioned 425 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,160 him at his desk to stall for time until him 426 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,720 in from the office could get to the hotel and 427 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:20,839 make a thorough check of the suspects room. Hollins was 428 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,319 kept busy on the phone taking room service orders from 429 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:26,440 the hotel guests. In between calls we talked to him. 430 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 8: I left a lease in the apartment, and then I 431 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,839 took a few pieces of laundery. She hadn't dropped them 432 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,480 off at Wilfrid's store. It was about six o'clock Wednesday night. 433 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 6: You mentioned the address a girl you wanted to see 434 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,599 mister Wilford. You wanted to patch up an argument you'd 435 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:39,039 had with him. 436 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 8: Yes, I just wanted to make sure he didn't have 437 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,359 any bad feelings about it. Really wasn't much of an argument. 438 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,519 Speaker 5: How long did you stay at Wilfrid's store, mister Hollins, 439 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:46,079 Do you remember then? 440 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,839 Speaker 8: Twenty minutes, maybe a half hour. We talked and we 441 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,960 had a glass of wine in the back room. No, 442 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,960 it was upstairs. We drank the wine and everything was 443 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,319 all right. I guess it was about half past six 444 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,359 when I left the store. It was all right then. 445 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,319 Speaker 5: Well, did anybody come in the store when you were there? 446 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 8: No, there's nobody. 447 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 6: How about missus Wilford. Was he in the store at 448 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,200 all during the time you were there on Wednesday? 449 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,319 Speaker 8: No? He said she was gone for the day, she'd 450 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:10,119 be back later on. We finished our talk and I left. 451 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,519 The last time I saw Joseph, it was a terrible 452 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:17,200 thing for somebody to kill him excuse me again, please, 453 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,880 room service. May I help you? Please? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Well, 454 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,200 could I suggest the palace cock solid, very nice. Yeah, 455 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,400 half of other chucks filled with flesh, crab meat one 456 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 thousand dollars, dressing, garnish with slices of avocado. 457 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,319 Speaker 6: All right. 458 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 8: Two orders some consummat all right, wrench rose, coffee and brandy. 459 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,359 Eight thirteen, Yes, sir, right away, Fred, this order for 460 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,279 eight thirteen. That's mister and missus Morrow eight thirteen. Make 461 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,079 it quickly, please, Yes, one of the best men I have, Fred. 462 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,599 We keep a very high standard in our room service, 463 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,960 only the very best. They're all Geneva man. 464 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 6: Yes, sir. Something else we'd like to find out. 465 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,079 Speaker 8: Only one years ago I came here to the hotel. 466 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,440 It was nothing that was serving garbage, bad service, very bad. 467 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:06,559 I built our staff one by one. 468 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 5: I did it. 469 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,079 Speaker 8: There's our staff list. There find us waiters in the country. 470 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,359 Henry Sanchez, Fred LaSalle, Conrad Lutz, jos Wick, Yes, and 471 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,319 Elma Creighton. He waited on the President when he came 472 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,440 to visit here from Washington. The President thought so much 473 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,359 of our service he wrote a letter to elim later 474 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,000 on no argument at all. I have the best spend 475 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,240 in the country, the best food. Twenty one years to 476 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:30,880 make it like it is, I did it all myself. 477 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 5: I understand you and Wilfrid were old friends, mister Hollins. 478 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,559 He knew him quite a number of years, all right. 479 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:37,839 Speaker 8: Most of his life. Yes, I knew Joseph in the 480 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,640 Old Country. We came from the same town. Terrible thing 481 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,119 that's happened. I always liked Joseph a good friend. 482 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,519 Speaker 6: What about these arguments you had with him lately about 483 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:50,079 the girl at least dressler amount anything. 484 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 8: No, but it showed something typical of Joseph. Maybe it 485 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,799 was the business he was in dollars, it's all he 486 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,640 thought about the big dollar. He knew he had more 487 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,839 money than I did. He thought he could do anything 488 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:04,440 with it. About the girl, Elise I took a visit 489 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,720 to the Old Country three years ago, Spausbourg. 490 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 6: That's where I. 491 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 8: Learned my trade from the best matrids in Europe. I 492 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,920 met Elisea on my way back in New York. You 493 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,759 can check up and all my background. I worked at 494 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,000 the Grand Hotel in Bustles, that's when it was the best. 495 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,119 I was at the Carlton in London, and I went 496 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,880 to Venice the Hotel Danieli, after I went to the 497 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Hotel Majestic in. 498 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:31,039 Speaker 6: Con Yes, sir, what would that have to do with 499 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:31,680 miss Presner? 500 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:32,759 Speaker 8: Very nice girl. 501 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 5: We liked each other. 502 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 8: When I came back here, I arranged for her to 503 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,640 come out from New York. Took care of everything. I 504 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,759 thought I'd like to marry her when she came here. 505 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: How about it, Hollins, You want to tell us. 506 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 6: Now, sir? 507 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 5: Did you kill Wilford? 508 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 8: Excuse me? Please, room service? May I help you? 509 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:51,599 Speaker 6: Please? 510 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 8: Yes, mister Sutter, Dinner for twelve tomorrow night in your 511 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,400 sweet your wife and I made up the menu, certainly, 512 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,279 mister Sutter. I'll check it over for you. Let's see. 513 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,960 We serve caviat with plini to start with, and the 514 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:12,240 soup conserme magdaline, and with the soup a mantiatto. Yes, 515 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,759 so that's Spanish. Then crab legs sunday Na, sir, sunday Nea. 516 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,079 That's crab legs rolled in breadcrumbs, fried and butter, served 517 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,559 in a terrap and dish with besher meal sauce. After 518 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:28,720 that the chateaubriand with truffle sauce. Soup la potatoes, small 519 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:34,559 green Pieace francille, and with that we serve Ponte twenty seven. Dessert. 520 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:39,839 We shall have peach Blombay coffee and liqueurze afterward. Yes, 521 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,200 Sir Henry Sanchez and Condreed Loots, they will serve you. 522 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:50,440 Thank you, Thank you, mister Saturn. Good night, real gentleman. 523 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,480 Mister Sadah, he knows how to give it in a party. 524 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,319 Your school. Not so many of them left now. It's 525 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,680 not like it used to be. People aren't the same anymore. Oh, yes, Fred, 526 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:03,519 what is it? 527 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 15: A message for the offices here, sergeant? 528 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:11,559 Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, excuse this minute, of course. What is it? 529 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:14,160 It's from Forbes. I checked his room in the hotel. 530 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,720 I didn't find anything better. 531 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,759 Speaker 6: Get him downtown, yeah, Hollins will have to ask you. 532 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 5: To come downtown. 533 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:28,559 Speaker 8: Oh yes, get my top coat on here there this way, sergeant. 534 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,400 Huh you park your car in the hotel garage? 535 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: No, sirrps right ontowenth street, you go out the. 536 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 8: Side, go then this way, just starting the rain. Do 537 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,240 you both have your top quote? 538 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:51,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, well let's go. We're parked right down this way. 539 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 8: What did the least say? The least best? 540 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 5: She said, you had a fight with Wilfrid. You went 541 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,640 to see him the same day was murdered. 542 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 8: Yes, it's terrible. It's too bad. 543 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 6: I might as well tell you, sir. We've got the evidence. 544 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:07,920 Quite a bit of it all points to you. 545 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,319 Speaker 8: Oh how is that. 546 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 5: All a pair of gloves you were wearing. We found 547 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,839 him the risk watch he took off the body. We 548 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,599 found that too. Yeah, you want to tell us about it. 549 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 8: I didn't use good sense. I didn't know what to 550 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,799 do when I went to see him, but I didn't 551 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,720 have it in my mind to kill him. God knows. 552 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,759 I tried to talk to him. I asked him please 553 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,160 to stay away from the least. I asked him as 554 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,079 a friend. All he said to me was Max, I 555 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,200 give her presents and she likes me. I have the 556 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,759 money to give her what she wants me. You haven't 557 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,440 got the money. That's what he said to me. He 558 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,880 had a fight with him, then, No, there wasn't any fight. 559 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:54,119 I'm not sorry I killed him, but I'm not sorry. 560 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 5: You want to give us a statement about it downtown. 561 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 8: I suppose I'm not ashamed of it. 562 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:00,559 Speaker 9: All right, let's go down this way. 563 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,319 Speaker 8: Any man would have done the same How could you 564 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,279 hear such talk and not kill him? 565 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,319 Speaker 6: How about the rest watch she took off of him, 566 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,319 the money from the drawer. 567 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,559 Speaker 8: I wanted to hurt him more, even after he was dead. 568 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,079 After I beat him and beat him, I knew it 569 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,400 would be the worst way to hurt Joseph to take 570 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,960 his money. 571 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 6: Here we are and then back out. 572 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:31,599 Speaker 8: Yeah, sergeant, Yeah, I've told you now. 573 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:34,079 Speaker 6: I killed him. 574 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 8: Don't you think I had a right to kill him. 575 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,319 Speaker 5: I wouldn't know, but he was like that. 576 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,519 Speaker 8: The first time you met Joseph, you would know he 577 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,960 was bad. It was better for everybody for him to die. 578 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,920 First time you met him, you would know that. 579 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,599 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I wouldn't know, mister Wow. The only time 580 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,559 I met him, he was dead. 581 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,079 Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names 582 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,759 were changed to protect the innocent. 583 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,839 Speaker 4: On June fourth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 584 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,880 eighty nine, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 585 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:24,160 In a moment the results of that trial, Max Hollins 586 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,319 was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree. 587 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,960 He was executed in the lethal gas chamber of the 588 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:41,839 State Penitentiary San Quentin, California. You have just heard Dragnet, 589 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,799 a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice 590 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,440 comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 591 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,240 Los Angeles Police Department. 592 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 15: Statue for Counterspy next on NBC. 593 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,839 Speaker 1: Welcome Back. I would feel a bit more sorry for 594 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,240 the assistant getting taken for that stolen watch. But it 595 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,279 did have that engraving which should have been a clue. 596 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,359 But that he wouldn't even think to Jack perhaps speaks 597 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,279 to the amount of respect that the killer had within 598 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:37,720 his industry, and sadly forthited. I have no doubt about 599 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:42,559 the victim being a bad person independent of him and 600 00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,400 whether you could tell it or not. If you really 601 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,279 could tell it first time you talked to him, then 602 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,039 the question is what were you doing being his friend 603 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,599 for so many years. I have noticed that the way 604 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,599 the episodes tend to work, if Herfield plays a character 605 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,119 than Lee Jones will not end up appearing in the episode, 606 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,720 even if he is providing key information. It will all 607 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,400 just be carried forward by exposition, listener comments and feedback. 608 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,920 Now and we have an email here from David and 609 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:27,279 he's emailing regarding the episode The Big Crazy. Hi, Adam, 610 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,200 I've heard this episode before, but it didn't hit me 611 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,279 until this time that it's basically a Dragnet Halloween episode, 612 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,680 although it was broadcast in August. Besides the reference to 613 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,039 Markim that you noted, there are a lot of Edgar 614 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:47,480 Allan Poe references. The name of the murdered woman is Bernice, 615 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:52,880 which is similar to the titular character in Poe's story Bernice, 616 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,599 which is about a mentally disturbed man whose fiance is 617 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,200 thought to be dead but who actually isn't. The when 618 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:05,640 sisters are reminiscent of post story William Wilson, which is 619 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,759 about doppel gangers and death, although a very different way 620 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:15,119 from this episode imposed story The Black Cat, the main 621 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960 character and his wife have a cat that the main 622 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,480 character murders. He then murders his wife and her body 623 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,599 is discovered because of the meowing of a supernatural cat. 624 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,160 The scene where the mentally disturbed husband, which is with 625 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,519 the two policemen and gradually acts more and more erratic 626 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,319 until he confesses to a murder, is straight out of 627 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,279 the Telltale Heart. Since this is Dragnet, this case must 628 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,759 have been based on a real life event, but I 629 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,359 would really love to know how close it was to 630 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,240 the true story and how many references to Paul were 631 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,240 worked into the story, or if I'm just seeing patterns 632 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:59,480 where none exists. As always, thanks for your podcast and 633 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,119 the undless hours of entertainment you bring us. Well, that 634 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,880 is a really insightful email, David, and not something I'd 635 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,759 picked up on because it was Dragnet. But I can 636 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,599 see where you're coming from, and it makes sense to 637 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,920 notice that, you know, as it was released this year 638 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,440 or right around Halloween time. As with most Dragnet cases, 639 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,680 it's particularly rare for us to have a firm knowledge of, Oh, yeah, 640 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,519 this is the case they were talking about. We don't know. 641 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,480 If I were to speculate, I'd imagine that there were 642 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,759 portions of the story that were very reminiscent. I mean, 643 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,079 even if you get to the ending where the man 644 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:52,160 breaks down, confesses and kills himself because of someone pretending 645 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,079 to be his dead wife and him being a somewhat 646 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:01,640 disturbed mystery fan, it really would suggest that type of treatment. 647 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,839 But it would be interesting to know, like where is 648 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,559 the fiction and where is the reality. If I were 649 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,000 to bet, I would think that the cat was something 650 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,799 the writer's created based on what was there, But who knows. 651 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,880 Thanks so much for the question. And then we also 652 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,160 have a comment regarding our best of the twenty twenty 653 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,519 four to twenty five season of this coming from Spotify. 654 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,880 Doctor who Done It wrote the Mister and Missus North 655 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,640 episode was like the Twilight Zone for some reason. The 656 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,440 addition of jazz music made it extra creepy. It's an 657 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:51,200 interesting choice when it comes to creepy or scary music. 658 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,319 There are a lot of choices out there. Classic there 659 00:32:55,319 --> 00:33:00,279 are certain pieces of classical music or other type of 660 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,440 organ or orchestral music that can create this sort of 661 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,519 moody atmosphere. But where jazz I think can really work 662 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,640 in that context is it works in another way just 663 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,920 kind of to create that sort of feeling of alarm 664 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,160 and panic, you know, when it comes at you with 665 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,680 that really fast pace, much more like a frantic build. 666 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,880 But I definitely agree the music was a big part 667 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,160 of what made that episode work. All right, Well, now 668 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,759 it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 669 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,680 and I want to go ahead and thank Kevin, Patreon 670 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,920 supporter since July currently supporting the podcast at the Detective 671 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,240 Sergeant level of seven dollars and fourteen cents or more 672 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,039 per month. Thanks so much for your support, Kevin. That 673 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:49,920 will do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, 674 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,400 please follow us using your favorite podcast software, And if 675 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,720 you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure to like 676 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,279 the video, subscribe to the channel, and worked the notification bell. 677 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:05,000 We'll be back next Thursday with another episode of Drag Nap. 678 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,119 But join us back here tomorrow for yours truly. Johnny, 679 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,920 all are ware? 680 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,519 Speaker 11: Uh? 681 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 6: You say that when you saw who the beneficiary is? 682 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 12: A worthless nephew of Bills who hangs around the pool 683 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,559 rooms in Colorado Springs. 684 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,599 Speaker 15: He's been in a couple of scrapes with the logs. 685 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let me. 686 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 15: See if I can open this wood, Maybe catches stuck 687 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:29,920 on hit it? 688 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,599 Speaker 13: You know? 689 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 12: Anyhow, I've always felt as Tommy Walker wouldn't stop short 690 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:43,719 of murder if he thought it. Oh good, and holy Ray, Hey, 691 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,679 look at all those crazy wires. No wonder she was missing. 692 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 6: You didn't put that wiring in there? Are you kidding? 693 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 4: Ray? 694 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,639 Speaker 15: Come on? 695 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,599 Speaker 6: Hit the deck? Huh, Come on the side of the road, 696 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:53,239 back of this rock. 697 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 15: What's the matter? 698 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,519 Speaker 12: Right? 699 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 6: Get down fast? 700 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: What's got into you? 701 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 12: Johnny? 702 00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 6: And love? 703 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 5: No? You look, let me smooke. 704 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime, 705 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:15,119 send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, 706 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:18,840 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 707 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:25,800 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 708 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,320 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.