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Speaker 1: that down we have with us today. He's an accomplished
Speaker 1: filmmaker and entrepreneur, independent journalist and og in these spaces,
Speaker 1: responsible for producing films like Loose Change, Gray State, and
Speaker 1: Fabled Enemies. Jason Burmas, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's an honor and a privilege to have
Speaker 1: you on brother. The movie you produced, Loose Change, I
Speaker 1: feel was literally responsible for exposing nine to eleven and
Speaker 1: the questions that everyone had and people echo. It's so
Speaker 1: strange people echo those exact same sentiments that were brought
Speaker 1: forth in that movie surrounding nine to eleven, like the
Speaker 1: nine to eleven attacks to this very day. So it's
Speaker 1: quite an accomplishment. Was definitely an instrumental part of my
Speaker 1: journey as well, like I believe that it is for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. What was the initial response, like
Speaker 1: when that movie came out in two thousand and.
Speaker 2: Five, Boy, well, I mean, all right, so let's just
Speaker 2: kind of bring it back because now we're talking twenty
Speaker 2: plus years ago, and you know, just to fast forward
Speaker 2: a little bit. Even though people are talking about it now,
Speaker 2: there seems to be a resurgence of it. I just
Speaker 2: want to say, it's super disappointing, beyond disappointing, really a
Speaker 2: reality check on the way I did feel in the
Speaker 2: very beginning of that phenomenon that nothing's been done about it,
Speaker 2: and that even now the current President of the United States,
Speaker 2: when he did that infamous Fox News interview prior to
Speaker 2: his reelection the second term, he was first asked about RFK, MLK,
Speaker 2: JFK documents, said he was going to release those. Then
Speaker 2: he was asked very clearly about nine to eleven, seemed
Speaker 2: to have no problem with releasing those. Kind of took
Speaker 2: me aback. He said he would release the nine to
Speaker 2: eleven documents. It was only when he was actually asked
Speaker 2: about Epstein that he had reservations and said maybe we'll
Speaker 2: take a look at it, and then kind of defaulted
Speaker 2: to but he said the other two for sure. We're
Speaker 2: now way over a year into this administration. Although I'm
Speaker 2: proud of the American people for pushing on the Ebstein issue,
Speaker 2: which is a huge one, and really in relation to
Speaker 2: all of it, you haven't heard a peep about nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. And I actually spoke out in DC on
Speaker 2: the anniversary this year. September tenth was the day that
Speaker 2: I was going to begin moderating all these other speakers,
Speaker 2: and on the eleventh I was supposed to introduce Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 2: who had just done this documentary series for the TCN
Speaker 2: network before it was released. Tucker didn't end up doing it, obviously,
Speaker 2: of the assassination of Charlie Kirk on September tenth. I remember,
Speaker 2: my brother is the one that broke the news long before.
Speaker 2: I mean he broke it within twenty minutes of him
Speaker 2: being shot. I was unaware because I was kind of
Speaker 2: on the road and talking to all these different people.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the same time in that day event,
Speaker 2: outside of academics and firefighters and people like myself who spoke,
Speaker 2: Ron Johnson, a sitting congressman, spoke there. Dennis Kassinich, former congressman,
Speaker 2: also spoke there. Kurt Weldon, former congressman who is responsible
Speaker 2: in bringing the issue of able danger, which is discussed
Speaker 2: in Loose Change Final Cut and my film Fabled Enemies.
Speaker 2: I encourage people, if they're not aware of that, to
Speaker 2: check that out. So, I mean, it was a big deal.
Speaker 2: It got no press, of course, And right now we're
Speaker 2: on the verge of the twenty fifth anniversary. And I've
Speaker 2: always said it, like this writer, the fact of the
Speaker 2: matter is that today and I mean toda today are
Speaker 2: entire in this country foreign and domestic policy is still
Speaker 2: based on this idea that nine to eleven was conducted
Speaker 2: by Muslim extremists. It didn't just bring you the Patriot Act.
Speaker 2: Everybody brought you Homeland security which didn't exist, which now
Speaker 2: they can exploit ice with instead of just having immigration
Speaker 2: and border security. It brought you the Military Commissions Act,
Speaker 2: the National Defense Authorization Act that everybody you know acknowledges
Speaker 2: how bad it is every year that they continually pass it.
Speaker 2: It brought you w wars of aggression across the Middle
Speaker 2: East that now include a Ron to this day. All right,
Speaker 2: So without telling the truth on that, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you take on the deep state or restore our
Speaker 2: constitutional republic. So now let's rewind to your very original question. Right,
Speaker 2: let's rewind it. I thought you could do that. I
Speaker 2: was a dumb kid. I really believed in my heart
Speaker 2: of hearts that me and these two other guys, Corey
Speaker 2: and Dylan shout out we were going to change the world.
Speaker 2: You know, I was the oldest, and I had kind
Speaker 2: of come in at a different perspective than them. A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know the real story of Loose Change,
Speaker 2: but the second edition is the one that went super
Speaker 2: megaviral Loose Change second cut, and there were various reasons
Speaker 2: for that. But I didn't even know Dylan and Corey
Speaker 2: when they made the original sixty minute version. Outside of
Speaker 2: like internet lore. So here I was a college dropout
Speaker 2: making pizzas, and I'm the political guy at the party
Speaker 2: that a year or so after nine to eleven had
Speaker 2: seen too much, and I was burning discs of anomalous
Speaker 2: evidence and handing them out in folders to people, and
Speaker 2: I was being mocked at parties. You know, people absolutely
Speaker 2: cut me off. I mean, folks, we're talking about you know,
Speaker 2: I was questioning this on the run up to the
Speaker 2: Iraq War. It was okay to question weapons of mass
Speaker 2: destruction of the Iraq War. Nine to eleven not so much.
Speaker 2: The feel in this country was very, very different than
Speaker 2: it is today. And so I was actually at my
Speaker 2: pizza shop. I had a desk job during the day.
Speaker 2: I got my first desk job at the ripe old
Speaker 2: age of twenty four as a graphic designer out in Cooperstown,
Speaker 2: New York, and I was so happy about that. But
Speaker 2: nights I was still working pizza. And my delivery guy
Speaker 2: who actually texted me two nights ago, we hadn't talked
Speaker 2: almost five years, but yeah, he texted me a couple
Speaker 2: of nights ago. We still keep in touch. But my
Speaker 2: delivery guy, Phil had asked me for some of my discs,
Speaker 2: and I had burned the original Loose Change, which actually
Speaker 2: focuses in the very beginning. It's got taken out of
Speaker 2: the second cut on the anomalous visual evidence of the
Speaker 2: second plane that hits the World Trade Center and the
Speaker 2: very real possibility that this was a remote controlled vehicle
Speaker 2: with something attached to the bottom of it. And I
Speaker 2: still stand by that. By the way, I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of people shy away from it. It's actually
Speaker 2: present on five of the videos, and I think there
Speaker 2: are overall just under twenty videos of the second plane
Speaker 2: hitting the World Trade Center, so something to keep in mind.
Speaker 2: But I handed him a burn CDR, not even DVD
Speaker 2: burning still wasn't a thing, folks. I had seven hundred
Speaker 2: mele CDRs and I hand Phil one and it says
Speaker 2: loose Change on it, and he goes, hey, I know
Speaker 2: the guys that did this. I'm like, I thought that
Speaker 2: was very bizarre because I'd been following all this, and honestly,
Speaker 2: the video itself was promoted on a site called Let's
Speaker 2: Roll nine one one dot org by a guy named
Speaker 2: Phil Jahan. That's how I became aware of it. They
Speaker 2: had a very small website for loose change and it
Speaker 2: said both of them were out of d C. I
Speaker 2: was located in Oneana, New York. Phil looks at me
Speaker 2: and goes, yeah, no, I went to high school with them.
Speaker 2: They went to high school here in Oneana. He goes,
Speaker 2: Corey's back in town from DC. Dylan's coming. I could
Speaker 2: give him a call right now if you want to
Speaker 2: talk to him. And I'm like, okay, please do that.
Speaker 2: And Corey is this you know, I think he was
Speaker 2: twenty two twenty three at the time, had joined the military,
Speaker 2: was an Iraqi war vet, the whole nine, and really
Speaker 2: good looking kid by the way, still a good looking gentleman.
Speaker 2: But I just remember like all like I remember one
Speaker 2: time we were on the street and a girl walked
Speaker 2: up to him literally like it was probably nine o'clock
Speaker 2: at night, and she goes, oh, you're super high. I
Speaker 2: just started making out with him. That was the kind
Speaker 2: of thing that would happen to Corey. So Corey comes
Speaker 2: in and we're talking, and I've got his attention pretty hardcore,
Speaker 2: right and he's asking me, well, what do you think
Speaker 2: about this and that? And I'm telling him I have
Speaker 2: all these other videos that aren't in the first edition. Now,
Speaker 2: the first edition also dealt with the controlled demo of
Speaker 2: one and two, and I'm like, no, I have like
Speaker 2: five more videos of those squibs going off. He's like really,
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah. So he goes, look, man, we're working
Speaker 2: on a second edition, and I'd love to give you
Speaker 2: the script and have you go over it. Literally within
Speaker 2: an hour of meeting him, he goes back home and
Speaker 2: he comes back with a blue folder for me. I'm pumped.
Speaker 2: I'm working late night, probably till two in the morning
Speaker 2: at the pizza shop. I remember it was a week night.
Speaker 2: I'm up at six in the morning back on the bus.
Speaker 2: I'm reading the script for the second edition on the bus.
Speaker 2: I think it's I literally wrider. I think it's my
Speaker 2: destiny with these two guys to change the world. Now,
Speaker 2: they don't have the same kind of feeling. By the way,
Speaker 2: I still haven't even met Dylan yet. And you know, also,
Speaker 2: full disclosure, not a religious guy, never really been outside
Speaker 2: of what I was raised, but rejected that pretty quick
Speaker 2: in my teenage years, even went as far as being
Speaker 2: kind of an atheist until I discovered this information and
Speaker 2: kind of the occult, weird nature of it does seem
Speaker 2: like there's something out there for sure, good and evil
Speaker 2: another story. But right after I'd watched the first editions,
Speaker 2: I mean I'd watched everything rider, I was again burning
Speaker 2: discs of regular information.
Speaker 1: That's how distribution worked back then. Because I didn't see
Speaker 1: Loose Change until two thousand and eight. I actually saw
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist first and two thousand and seven, and I feel
Speaker 1: like there was two camps. You either saw Loose Change
Speaker 1: or you saw Zeitgeist. Was there any beef between you
Speaker 1: guys in the two films.
Speaker 2: We can get to Zeitgeist and Peter Joseph in a minute,
Speaker 2: and we will if you want to, because for those
Speaker 2: that don't know what he's referring to is that the
Speaker 2: beginning of Zeitgeist does question a lot of these events
Speaker 2: and use footage from Loose Change actually, in particular the
Speaker 2: controlled demolition section. We actually, me and Dylan did an
Speaker 2: interview with Peter Joseph. Eventually we were friendly at first,
Speaker 2: but we'll get there. And by the way, that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing. We gave it away, like I was for me,
Speaker 2: you know, getting back to this story. After I saw
Speaker 2: that movie and I'd seen nine to eleven in plain sight,
Speaker 2: I'd seen press for truth, I'd burned all that, seen
Speaker 2: them multiple times. You know what I mean, Alex Jones
Speaker 2: is the road to tyranny is what kind of expanded
Speaker 2: my mind beyond nine to eleven. And when I first
Speaker 2: saw that on a seventy two megabyte real media file
Speaker 2: that was audio out of sync at one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty four p everybody, I said, I want to prove
Speaker 2: that redneck wrong. Boy was I in for a surprise.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm in my room, I watch these change.
Speaker 2: I literally pray to God. I pray to God. I
Speaker 2: go God, if you give me the opportunity to work
Speaker 2: with these two guys out of DC and work on
Speaker 2: this film. I'm like, I will do everything I can
Speaker 2: to bring these bastards down, you know. And it was
Speaker 2: only like a few months that this stuff occurs. Like
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, guys, at least the law of attraction
Speaker 2: is real. Now, there's a lot more than just what
Speaker 2: you see with your eyes. So I'm reading through the thing.
Speaker 2: A couple of days later, Dylan comes over very skeptical.
Speaker 2: They're they're in my laptop and my folders, and they're
Speaker 2: checking out my files and they're like, wow, we don't
Speaker 2: have this, we don't and like almost immediately I became
Speaker 2: part of the team. Then before we put the second
Speaker 2: edition out, Cindy Sheehan was coming to Binghamton, so I
Speaker 2: had worked. I was working as a graph designer. I'd
Speaker 2: printed up the original Investigate nine to eleven shirts. Chances
Speaker 2: that are if you have one of those shirts, I
Speaker 2: designed them, and you know, we put them out. We
Speaker 2: got there early. They had just bought their first like
Speaker 2: real DV camera, a Canon XLR, and we were front
Speaker 2: row before everybody else. We had burned two masters of
Speaker 2: the DVD Loose Change second edition before it went out,
Speaker 2: and like you said, this is this is this is
Speaker 2: when Netflix was. You gotta disc everybody like you got
Speaker 2: a disc in the mail. That's what Netflix was. Okay,
Speaker 2: just to let everybody know, uh, YouTube itself still wasn't
Speaker 2: owned by Google, and actually that becomes an integral and
Speaker 2: important thing on this journey in a moment. But essentially,
Speaker 2: the Fox News guy picked us out. He saw what
Speaker 2: we were wearing and he did not like it. He's like, so,
Speaker 2: what's up, guys, And we start talking to him and
Speaker 2: he's like very skeptical, but he interviews all three of us,
Speaker 2: and you guys can find it. It's like the very
Speaker 2: first interviews we've ever done. And this is before the event,
Speaker 2: and then we hand him one of the burned discs. Okay,
Speaker 2: don't expect to hear back from him, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: This is Fox News, for God's sake. You know they're
Speaker 2: they're at the peak peak propaganda at that point. And
Speaker 2: uh any anyway, U we give one to Cindy Sheehan
Speaker 2: after the event, brief interaction with her. Nothing ever comes
Speaker 2: to that, but I think it was like the next day.
Speaker 2: It was less than twenty four hours later. We get
Speaker 2: contacted by Fox. They're like, we watched your movie. We
Speaker 2: can't believe it. You're gonna be the lead story tonight
Speaker 2: and tomorrow. We're gonna break this up into two things. Awesome. Now,
Speaker 2: again I mentioned how you know there's no YouTube or
Speaker 2: anything like that where you can like embed, so the
Speaker 2: YouTube's just starting, Okay, So basically what happens is if
Speaker 2: websites put it on their site, and it was foxforty
Speaker 2: dot com, they had like a WMV file, right, Canadian
Speaker 2: have MP four's at that point connected to it. It
Speaker 2: wasn't even that big. We crashed their site so many
Speaker 2: times they had to do a third story on us.
Speaker 2: It became their biggest story in years. Some of the
Speaker 2: national media picked up on it. I think that's what
Speaker 2: kind of super charge charged, or at least began the
Speaker 2: relationship with Alex Jones as well, because he wasn't really
Speaker 2: covering Loose Change and had not bought the first edition
Speaker 2: of the film. It was kind of combative towards the
Speaker 2: Pentagon stuff, as many people are, and you know, that's
Speaker 2: a can of worms if you want to get into
Speaker 2: we can. But dude, I remember telling these guys, I go,
Speaker 2: we are about to change the world, and they did
Speaker 2: not believe me at first, But then we set out
Speaker 2: on that road. And the real disappointing factor is that
Speaker 2: we just were never able to get criminal accountability. The
Speaker 2: well was poisoned too many times. The propaganda overall didn't work.
Speaker 2: We've kind of won in the court of public opinion
Speaker 2: at this point, but at the same time, there's the
Speaker 2: exploitation of the idea that you're lied to and then
Speaker 2: you know exactly what happened or who exactly is responsible.
Speaker 2: And to us, I've always said, you know, I made
Speaker 2: a film after Loose Change final cut called Fabled Enemies
Speaker 2: because I wanted to lay out the international intelligence operation
Speaker 2: and the players that were there, because you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people will hear about the Saudi's, but they
Speaker 2: don't know about the Pakistani angle. They'll shout out, you know,
Speaker 2: dancing Israelis, but they don't really understand the Israeli spy
Speaker 2: network and what they were doing before and after nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. They'll talk about, you know, the hijackers as patsies,
Speaker 2: but then won't have a clue. They'll talk about the drills.
Speaker 2: They don't know where they come from and who is
Speaker 2: operating them, and they never bring it all together into
Speaker 2: this cohesive network and that we were lied to at
Speaker 2: many levels. And we do need accountability, but we're probably
Speaker 2: not going to get that on accountability because we can't
Speaker 2: get real investigations and prosecutions in this country. They It's
Speaker 2: pretty upsetting when you come to that realization. You know,
Speaker 2: I kind of knew rider that it was over for accountability.
Speaker 2: After the fifth anniversary of nine to eleven, we had
Speaker 2: built up so much momentum that we had about ten
Speaker 2: thousand people down at ground zero at the World Trade
Speaker 2: Center site on nine to eleven wearing the Investigate nine
Speaker 2: to eleven shirts, and the media just didn't cover it
Speaker 2: at all. I mean at all. The only people to
Speaker 2: show the shots of us down there were the live
Speaker 2: streams at c SPAN, and they tried to keep a
Speaker 2: wide shot where you couldn't really see us and read
Speaker 2: those things. The morning of is the morning the infamous
Speaker 2: morning Dylan and I debated Popular Mechanics about their debunking,
Speaker 2: which was first part of their magazine and then they
Speaker 2: wrote a whole book on it, James Megs and David Dunbar.
Speaker 2: Funny thing was, I was scheduled that day to be
Speaker 2: on Glenn Beck's program when he was still at CNN,
Speaker 2: even before Fox and then The Blaze, and they canceled
Speaker 2: me after I had destroyed James Meggs. They only let
Speaker 2: James Megs come on Adam Carolla, who's now like having
Speaker 2: Sam Tripoli on his show, God Love Them and talking
Speaker 2: about these things. I was down at ground zero. I
Speaker 2: was on Adam Carolla's radio show, followed by Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2: Adam was not happy with me. Adam told me to
Speaker 2: go back to making pizzas. So you know, we've it's
Speaker 2: been a journey man. I always tell people this ignorance
Speaker 2: is not bliss. The truth does matter. You're gonna want
Speaker 2: to have as much information as possible, not so much
Speaker 2: that maybe you're going to be able to change everything.
Speaker 2: You can change stuff in your world, right, because you
Speaker 2: have to navigate these things, like fast forward to the
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen eighty four nightmare, and there was zero chance
Speaker 2: that I was going to be injecting myself with any
Speaker 2: hate and lies of any right. And you can go
Speaker 2: back to, you know, a clip of me back in
Speaker 2: twenty ten. You know, I'm the first guy to ever
Speaker 2: have a show on Info Wars outside Alex Jones called
Speaker 2: the Info Warrior, And somebody calls in about a very
Speaker 2: similar situation where they're thinking because at the time, the
Speaker 2: WHO was declaring pandemic level six and they were trying
Speaker 2: to propagate the same thing as multiple shots and all
Speaker 2: these other things that the Internet era had not exploded
Speaker 2: to the cohesive global network of the phone where they
Speaker 2: could have pulled this off. But it certainly felt like
Speaker 2: they were putting it out in the arena. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not even going to be like that.
Speaker 2: And I basically broke down how they were going to
Speaker 2: manipulate people and their movement and their uses and get
Speaker 2: them to do these things. And I think it's if
Speaker 2: anybody types in the dark predictions of Jason Burmas have
Speaker 2: come true. You know, I'm not super proud of that,
Speaker 2: but it gives you a look into my mindset of
Speaker 2: when all this stuff's had taken place. And you know,
Speaker 2: I got out of New York. You know, I brought
Speaker 2: my sister and her kids. I searched through the entire country,
Speaker 2: really up to the Midwest and found a place that
Speaker 2: wasn't New York because we did have varying degrees of
Speaker 2: freedom in this country. So you know, the truth matters.
Speaker 2: It sucks that sometimes you have to face it head on,
Speaker 2: but I assure you again, the more ignorant you are,
Speaker 2: the less that you're going to be able to navigate
Speaker 2: the true obstacles of real evil that we are faced
Speaker 2: with with as humanity every day.
Speaker 1: Writer, Well, brother, I think that you did change the world.
Speaker 1: I just had a tear running down my face. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen it, but it is very true.
Speaker 1: You really did change the world, because I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here right now. If it wasn't for your movie,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for it Lose Change, I probably would
Speaker 1: not be here. I would not be doing this. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't i'd be speaking with you. So I do believe,
Speaker 1: even in a roundabout way, you did change the world. Indeed,
Speaker 1: and out of all the things that could be released,
Speaker 1: the Epstein files was a good start. And I'm not
Speaker 1: really interested in the UFO files. I personally believe the
Speaker 1: entire alien UFO extraterrestrial topic is one giant psychological operation.
Speaker 1: But I believe the public in the world needs the
Speaker 1: nine to eleven files. We deserve to know what hit
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, what crashed in Pennsylvania, and if two jet
Speaker 1: liners really can bring down two skyscrapers due to fires
Speaker 1: supposedly making their way all the way down to the
Speaker 1: first floor from the ninety third floor in seventy three
Speaker 1: minutes after impact, okay, and the fires completely compromise the
Speaker 1: integrity of the building and it collapsed if you were
Speaker 1: to believe the official story, right, But why didn't the
Speaker 1: Pentagon collapse Jason after it was hit by a plane?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they would obviously with the blastproof windows,
Speaker 2: but really you had the same thing going on at
Speaker 2: the World Trade Center. In fact, one of the tells
Speaker 2: that there were multiple explosions in the World Trade Center
Speaker 2: even prior to its demolition. Is if you watch the
Speaker 2: Noda Brothers film you just mentioned down to the last floor, well,
Speaker 2: actually the World Trade Center goes another ten stories into
Speaker 2: the ground into the subway as well. And if you
Speaker 2: have heard Willy Rodriguez's story, and it was Felipe Rodriguez
Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, Felipe, it's either Felipe his first name
Speaker 2: or last name Lopez, it's not together. I always get
Speaker 2: it wrong. But he's basically the guy that they saved.
Speaker 2: And when I say they, it wasn't just Willy Rodriguez.
Speaker 2: I also have a video out there anybody can go
Speaker 2: check out well from another gentleman who was there in
Speaker 2: the BASEMENTT level witnessing these explosions, called Anthony South Lamasia Okay,
Speaker 2: and they saved this guy. In fact, the reason I
Speaker 2: bring up the naw Day Brothers film is because they
Speaker 2: actually bring up this guy because he walks out of
Speaker 2: the elevator shaft burnt up. Okay, and later on I
Speaker 2: believe it's in loose change final cut, he is actually
Speaker 2: in all wrapped up and got up from being burnt
Speaker 2: up in the film as talking about the explosion that
Speaker 2: blew him up. But I bring up that first level
Speaker 2: in those blastproof windows, because literally you had marble knocked
Speaker 2: off of the walls and those glass windows blown out
Speaker 2: on the first level. Everybody, Now I realize we're you
Speaker 2: know again, almost twenty five years later, and there are
Speaker 2: people out there that never witnessed the World Trade Center
Speaker 2: in person, never touched grass as they say, and put
Speaker 2: their hands on the glass. Yes, I did. I was
Speaker 2: in the World Trade Center quite a few times as
Speaker 2: a kid. And aside from the fact that the thing
Speaker 2: was three tiered, hermetically sealed, so in other words, you
Speaker 2: couldn't just take the elevator from the first floor of
Speaker 2: the basement, whatever level, all the way up to the
Speaker 2: hundredth floor. You go like thirty floors, then you'd have
Speaker 2: to get off, Then you have to go another thirty
Speaker 2: floors you have to get off, and then you know, basically,
Speaker 2: it was a three tiered system. So this idea that
Speaker 2: the plane crashed and the fire went all the way
Speaker 2: down this shaft system that's not even linear, everybody, and
Speaker 2: not connected in the way you think, and then blew
Speaker 2: out not only in the basement level, but was powerful
Speaker 2: enough to blow out the lobby level where there's no
Speaker 2: burn marks by the way, okay from the fire that
Speaker 2: supposedly from the big fireball that we saw, but we
Speaker 2: didn't say you come out down there. Clearly explosives were
Speaker 2: used in this building multiple points, and there's just a
Speaker 2: ton of evidence to show that. Look, I agree that
Speaker 2: we need the nine to eleven files. We've actually gotten
Speaker 2: a bunch of top secret files back in the end
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen early twenty nineteen through the dark Overlord weeks.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are unaware of those files. I
Speaker 2: covered them at length at the time, but we never
Speaker 2: got all of them. And by the way, I don't
Speaker 2: believe that all of them would give the full picture
Speaker 2: of nine to eleven, but they were certainly giving much
Speaker 2: more of a picture and corroborating anomalies that you know,
Speaker 2: we're supposed to have been debunked or disproven, when in
Speaker 2: fact they were not. So look nine to eleven to me,
Speaker 2: it is still at the crux of the issue. But
Speaker 2: a guy like Epstein is so important because he even
Speaker 2: supersedes nine to eleven in a lot of ways is
Speaker 2: a pre nine to eleven guy. And for me, nine
Speaker 2: to eleven doesn't occur if you can get actual accountability
Speaker 2: into this what And by the way, the term deep state,
Speaker 2: it comes from a leftist everybody. It's Peter Dale Scott,
Speaker 2: God love him. He's still around and doing great work.
Speaker 2: He's featured in my film Invisible Empire, a New World
Speaker 2: Order to find. You can't do that when you have
Speaker 2: something like Iron Contra, where for those that don't know
Speaker 2: what that is, it's Americans working with Israelis. Okay, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know the Israeli network there. The
Speaker 2: Israelis bought the weapons. So the Israelis would buy a
Speaker 2: bunch of guns from YUGOSLAVII, Slavia and Czechoslovakia and then
Speaker 2: they would ship them down to South America where these
Speaker 2: contras that we had trained, Okay, we were training and
Speaker 2: by the way, training some of them in Mina, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: when Bill Clinton is the governor. Oh, just a Kwinka dank.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Bill Clinton, big cocaine, habit, big
Speaker 2: cocaine habit, everybody not a secret love the nose Candy.
Speaker 2: His brother gets picked up during that time period, buying
Speaker 2: tons of blow, talking about how his brother has a
Speaker 2: nose like a vacuum cleaner. Okay, on tape side issue. So,
Speaker 2: so the Israelis are shipping the guns down.
Speaker 1: N's cocaine that was found at the White House. Brown,
Speaker 1: You think he was sneaking around there.
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know that he was around. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's plenty of people in that DC universe blowing it up.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong. Obviously Hunter is the
Speaker 2: most likely suspect, but you know, it's a free for
Speaker 2: all in there. These people are just they can't get
Speaker 2: enough of the stuff that literally turns you into a sociopath.
Speaker 2: You want to you want to become a sociopath. And
Speaker 2: you don't know how everybody gets a nice cocaine addiction.
Speaker 2: I promise, total sociopath.
Speaker 1: So anyway, cocaine adderall mouth, All.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're one. Right. So they're buying the guns, right,
Speaker 2: and then what we're doing is we're sending CIA ops
Speaker 2: or assets down there to get contraband, cocaine, marijuana, you know,
Speaker 2: and other anything they wanted to bring back, and then
Speaker 2: we're shipping that up into Mina, into Florida. So it's
Speaker 2: a big plausible deniability circle. Okay. Now, obviously a ton
Speaker 2: of arms are being traded on both ends. So where
Speaker 2: does Jeffrey Epstein actually come into this, Well, he comes
Speaker 2: in big, actually, So there are two individuals that it's
Speaker 2: now been openly reported on it, and I hope people
Speaker 2: check it out. It might be harder to get to
Speaker 2: this article, but the New York Times, just as this
Speaker 2: new dump was coming out via the Thomas Massey legislation,
Speaker 2: did a piece that there's like four other top reporters.
Speaker 2: They preface it, there's all these conspiracy theories that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein worked for intelligence, and they're like, the truth is
Speaker 2: much scarier. You know. He was just so charismatic. So
Speaker 2: after bear Stearns, he gets into a relationship with the
Speaker 2: girl that leads him to a guy named Douglas Lease. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: Douglas Lease, anybody can look this up, is an arms
Speaker 2: dealer and defense contractor heavily embedded in the Iran scandal
Speaker 2: that you never heard of. Now at this same time period,
Speaker 2: he is literally mentoring Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, He's taking him
Speaker 2: with him overseas to do these deals. All right, No
Speaker 2: one talks about that in the regards to Lease being
Speaker 2: part of this network that was never prosecuted. And remember
Speaker 2: the people they did prosecute in Iran Contra slaps on
Speaker 2: the wrist, many pardoned after the fact, and they made
Speaker 2: Oliver North the face of it, who became a multi
Speaker 2: million dollar TV personality, radio talk show host and pundit.
Speaker 2: You know, that's how you stop the corruption. And by
Speaker 2: the way, even Lee Hamilton, who was part of the investigation,
Speaker 2: also would be part of the Warren Commission. Shocker also
Speaker 2: would be beside Thomas Keen as the leads in the
Speaker 2: nine to eleven Commission report. I have him on television
Speaker 2: in my Iran contrasection of Invisible Empire, talking about how
Speaker 2: George Bush Senior was much more heavily involved in the
Speaker 2: whole operation. No kidding, he was helping run it. Okay,
Speaker 2: George Bush Senior as the vice President, was helping run
Speaker 2: that operation as he was the head of the CIA
Speaker 2: and really part of the CIA for decades prior to that.
Speaker 2: All right, so you have this home network and Epstein
Speaker 2: is not only being mentored by Douglas Lease and making
Speaker 2: these arm steals, but at this time Epstein's kind of
Speaker 2: getting his hooks into people by dating women whose fathers
Speaker 2: are extremely successful, right or uncle you know, has this network,
Speaker 2: he starts handling the finances for ad non Koshogi. Now,
Speaker 2: for those that don't know, Koshogi is this Saudi Arabian
Speaker 2: businessman who's also a huge arms dealer involved in Iran contra. Now,
Speaker 2: another thing that people don't understand about Koshogi and the
Speaker 2: relationship to Epstein is Kashogi had a harem of women.
Speaker 2: And when I say women, he married his youngest wife
Speaker 2: at the ripe old age of seventeen. She was some
Speaker 2: Italian woman. So again, if you think the Saudi Arabian
Speaker 2: businessman with multiple wives isn't not only utilizing underage girls
Speaker 2: in that network, you obviously don't know their culture. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's where Epstein got the flavor
Speaker 2: of it. I think that's where he saw that kind
Speaker 2: of networking and both the arms dealing and the profitability.
Speaker 2: And he had already been put through you know, this
Speaker 2: network of finances through bear Stearns in academia, you know,
Speaker 2: all leading to obvious intelligence connections being funded probably by
Speaker 2: the Central Intelligence Agency and the Israeli Masade on different operations.
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like to me, because again, just
Speaker 2: like I told you, right, Iran Contra involved both of
Speaker 2: those people. If you look at Mark Rich and his
Speaker 2: relationship as a liaison, there there's another huge contact. You know,
Speaker 2: I mentioned Saudi Arabia. Remember, Epstein has a passport with
Speaker 2: a totally different identity. Where is he during this time
Speaker 2: here Saudi Arabia? Weird if everything's on the up and
Speaker 2: up and he's not an arms dealer, that he would
Speaker 2: have a Saudi Arabian passport with a separate identity. Now
Speaker 2: it gets This same New York Times article all right, actually,
Speaker 2: for the first time ever, reveals that Stanley Pottinger, also
Speaker 2: involved in Iran Contra, is in business with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Now let me explain why that is super important. Johnny
Speaker 2: Bedmore had done an extensive piece on Stanley Pottinger, probably
Speaker 2: a year and a half before this New York Times
Speaker 2: piece came out, and he was like alleging that Pottinger
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Epstein not only knew each other and lived
Speaker 2: near each other, but they shared an office together. He
Speaker 2: couldn't prove they were in business together. Now, Pottinger is
Speaker 2: a lawyer that not only worked heavily on the Iran
Speaker 2: contra scandal for narrative management and to kind of cut
Speaker 2: loose ends and all those other things. But guess who
Speaker 2: he starts representing in the twenty tens, do you know, Ryder? No,
Speaker 2: he contacts Bradley Edwards, who represents literally dozens of the
Speaker 2: Epstein victims. It becomes part of that case as well.
Speaker 2: So Pottinger is the l lawyer. Yes, it ends up
Speaker 2: being on the inside of all of these deals. And
Speaker 2: Bradley Edwards, he's the lawyer that gave that interview to
Speaker 2: Derek Brose where he says that Trump is the only
Speaker 2: one that contacted him, which by the way, is actually
Speaker 2: proven in these emails. Epstein is about to call Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: I think, in like twenty ten, twenty eleven about the
Speaker 2: Virginia Gifray situation, so he knows that he's talking to
Speaker 2: Bradley Edwards. But in Edwards's book.
Speaker 1: He has Trump at that time because I thought that
Speaker 1: him and Trump were on the out.
Speaker 2: Then I think it's pretty apparent they're out on the outspy.
Speaker 2: Then I think that he's just getting winned that Bradley
Speaker 2: Edwards is office is in contact with Trump. So they've
Speaker 2: already fallen out, but now there are lawsuits. Know how,
Speaker 2: these things take time, and so maybe they haven't talked
Speaker 2: in a while. I don't know. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: they're in contact, at least on friendly terms at that time.
Speaker 2: Becomes very apparent during the first Trump administration that Epstein
Speaker 2: is actively trying to take him out. But that's a
Speaker 2: whole other can of worms we can get into.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Virginia Girefray, because it seems
Speaker 1: like that entire case, in her apparent suicide, no one
Speaker 1: investigated it.
Speaker 3: Well, everyone was like, whatever.
Speaker 1: Kind of just happened, we'll leave it alone. And then
Speaker 1: then it was like, oh, well there is no Epstein files.
Speaker 1: It almost seems like they needed to kind of get
Speaker 1: her out of the way because she was funding a
Speaker 1: lot of the Epstein's victims lawsuits. I can go to
Speaker 1: five of the six lawsuits that she was funding.
Speaker 2: So just ending on Pottinger. In Bradley Edwards's book, he
Speaker 2: asked the very real question. He said, I got the
Speaker 2: feeling he was intelligence and one day I just straight
Speaker 2: up asked him if he was CIA. All right, So
Speaker 2: now you remember and Bradley Edwards was Virginia's lawyer, Like
Speaker 2: you were just saying, Okay, so they they're very much involved.
Speaker 2: You know, my buddy Jamie Deluxe just put out this
Speaker 2: piece called Nobody's Girl, right, and that is the posthumous
Speaker 2: biography autobiography of Virginia Gurfray Roberts, and it had some
Speaker 2: really interesting things in his piece. Already. I actually contacted
Speaker 2: him today. I said, great work. She'd been sexually abused,
Speaker 2: according to her, since she was seven years old. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a different world, folks. That's not something you come
Speaker 2: back from that is going to change you for the
Speaker 2: rest of your life. Okay. I want to make that
Speaker 2: very clear. It's also alleged that person that started abusing
Speaker 2: her at the time was her father. There are even
Speaker 2: the questions writer of whether or not her father actually
Speaker 2: knew of the abuse from Epstein and was taking payments
Speaker 2: from Epstein. All right, that's something that is questioned by
Speaker 2: the brother. Now we have to understand that Virginia Gufray Roberts,
Speaker 2: at a very very young age, is in a viper's nest, Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean she's surrounded by what I call the predator class.
Speaker 2: And this is the part of the predator class that
Speaker 2: does not only abuse children, but probably is willing to
Speaker 2: do just about anything they want to continue that abuse.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that certain people didn't make it.
Speaker 2: I think that she was extremely smart and savvy as
Speaker 2: a part of this group. For those that don't know
Speaker 2: that initial sweetheart deal in Palm Beach, I can tell
Speaker 2: you the co conspirators in the Harem network of Epstein.
Speaker 2: It's public knowledge. In fact, they're littered through the files.
Speaker 2: So you had Nadia Marsonkova aka Nadia Marsenko. I'm very
Speaker 2: sympathetic to her. You hear less about her. She is
Speaker 2: allegedly the girl who was bought from her parents in
Speaker 2: Yugoslavia at fourteen years old. Okay, then you have Sarah Callin,
Speaker 2: you have Leslie Groff, and you have Adrianna Ross. I
Speaker 2: would put Virginia in that world, Okay, in that network
Speaker 2: of underlings via Glayne Maxwell. You know, I'm sure she
Speaker 2: did some very bad and dishonest things as well to
Speaker 2: kind of remain in that circle. So let's get to
Speaker 2: her death. Okay. I just want to say that I'm
Speaker 2: not saying these things off the cuff. I actually did
Speaker 2: look into just about everything, and I reported on the
Speaker 2: events leading up to her death, including this accident, if
Speaker 2: you will, with her being hit by a bus. All right,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that again people saw that report on
Speaker 2: the peripheral.
Speaker 1: Now, did you look into that her husband was also
Speaker 1: beating her? Yes, the police report against him in a
Speaker 1: restraining order, and then he turned around and filed one
Speaker 1: against her, and that's why got her kids taken away
Speaker 1: from her.
Speaker 2: Yes, And well that that's where I was eventually leading
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, you're I'm glad you brought that up, because I
Speaker 2: think that's really important. You know, this guy that she
Speaker 2: has kids with was also part of the Epstein network
Speaker 2: and they kind of escaped together. Well, actually this guy,
Speaker 2: I think I think she was in a different country,
Speaker 2: supposed to be given missus said she wasn't coming back,
Speaker 2: and basically she ran off with this guy who would
Speaker 2: also be abusive to her, right, and she had kids with.
Speaker 1: Well, you also set up by Jeffrey Epstein when he
Speaker 1: sent her to massage school. That's where she met.
Speaker 2: Him, Yes, exactly. Yes, So again I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: involved he was with the network, but enough so much
Speaker 2: that she was being sent to him, right, Okay, So
Speaker 2: Nick Bryant, author of the Franklin cover up, he's also
Speaker 2: the guy that originally got the Black Book published in Gawker,
Speaker 2: the guy I heavily respect also had talked to Virginia
Speaker 2: many times and other victims behind the scenes and known
Speaker 2: about this serial abuse. And you're right. Basically, she had
Speaker 2: lost her kid's custody right around the time of the
Speaker 2: very first incident of this bus crash. Now, the first
Speaker 2: win anybody gets of this thing is this picture of
Speaker 2: her where she looks beaten and bruised, okay, in a
Speaker 2: hospital bed and mentions this accident, and then also mentions
Speaker 2: her children and whether she just wants to see her
Speaker 2: kids one more time, one of which is like he
Speaker 2: either was late teens, like nineteen at the time, or
Speaker 2: even at twenty years old, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So as far as custody goes like, it's not real custody,
Speaker 2: he just, for whatever reason, you know, was out of
Speaker 2: the picture. None of us can imagine again. And let
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know, I come from poverty and
Speaker 2: welfare and food stamps, and people go into jail and
Speaker 2: women beating stuff and like things get well, luckily no
Speaker 2: sexual abuse of the family, but things get wild, Okay,
Speaker 2: when you're in that world, it's not easy. You know.
Speaker 2: The people do end up killing themselves, people do end
Speaker 2: up committing atrocities. So she posts that, and she posts
Speaker 2: the thing about the bus accident, and then in short
Speaker 2: order it gets taken down and the family members or
Speaker 2: representatives say that she meant that to be like a
Speaker 2: private post on her Facebook and it went out on
Speaker 2: her Instagram. Now, on its face, that sounds like that
Speaker 2: that is probably wrong, right, But actually I want people
Speaker 2: to take a step back. When you integrate your Facebook
Speaker 2: in to your Instagram and you have the auto posting
Speaker 2: going on, it does just automatically post it. Now. Actually,
Speaker 2: Rider off air, we were kind of talking about the
Speaker 2: why I don't love Facebook and how much drama goes
Speaker 2: on on it. Right, I could totally see her putting
Speaker 2: a Facebook post up there that she knows her kids
Speaker 2: might see, or someone you know relate to the ex
Speaker 2: husband might see, to try to see those kids again.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is there's kind of
Speaker 2: two competing theories on why she was so badly beaten
Speaker 2: in Bruce, Because it wasn't from the bus accident, And
Speaker 2: I'll explain why in a moment.
Speaker 1: Exactly that's what I failed to realize about the bus accident.
Speaker 1: The bus accident was a cover for what really happened
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'll just break it down for those that don't
Speaker 2: know about this bus accident. Everybody just assumed that she
Speaker 2: must have gotten super injured and like a car was totaled.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure she was in the car, bro
Speaker 2: that's the whole She wasn't so so if she was.
Speaker 1: Forever did not see her in the car. There was
Speaker 1: nobody else in the car. It was just an older woman.
Speaker 1: The car wasn't even damaged that bad. It was basically
Speaker 1: like a little side swipe, little finder bender. The police
Speaker 1: didn't show up to the accident. What is going on, Jason?
Speaker 2: And and the other really weird thing was that the driver,
Speaker 2: who essentially was the caretaker at the million dollar estate
Speaker 2: in Australia that Virginia owned from the successful lawsuit of Andrew,
Speaker 2: she she actually collected the tailgate off the ground like
Speaker 2: that's that was the extent of the accident, right, And
Speaker 2: again I don't know she was in the car, but
Speaker 2: if she was, certainly this elderly woman was one hundred
Speaker 2: percent physically fine, and there's no ambulance. Like said, there's
Speaker 2: no way Virginia Gufrey Roberts got injured from that, right,
Speaker 2: So I think there is the you know, I don't
Speaker 2: see any signs of foul play in this one. I
Speaker 2: think that she just got driven mad. Money don't buy happiness.
Speaker 2: Everybody listen, it can make things easier. I'm not against
Speaker 2: money or things like that, but if you think that,
Speaker 2: you know, again, ten times out of ten, if you're
Speaker 2: not a psychopath or sociopath, you're going to choose your family,
Speaker 2: especially your kids, over money and the idea that she
Speaker 2: had alienated her kids or gotten into this horrible relationship
Speaker 2: with an ex husband that she probably saw as the enemy.
Speaker 2: I tend to lean that she absolutely did kill herself
Speaker 2: in ntill I see other evidence suggesting otherwise. You know her,
Speaker 2: I think her brothers were also up there at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, leading more credence that.
Speaker 1: The thing about the entire thing is your brothers are
Speaker 1: super weird. It's difficult to you're out of her brothers
Speaker 1: or real brothers, biological brothers, half brothers, because the family
Speaker 1: lineage is so weird.
Speaker 2: Family. Bro, That's what I'm trying to say. You know,
Speaker 2: even listening to the brother sit there and talk about
Speaker 2: the possibility of the father abusing him, I just hear
Speaker 2: abuse in that guy's voice, right, Like he sounds like
Speaker 2: another person that was abused. Look, man, when we're talking
Speaker 2: about the control of people, trauma is numero. You know,
Speaker 2: it's number one. It's the number one stunter in families,
Speaker 2: in manipulative personal relationships, and in relations work relationships, and
Speaker 2: especially relationships by the government and people like Epstein. So
Speaker 2: you know, I think we always have to take that
Speaker 2: into account. You know, these documents and especially listen that
Speaker 2: Nobody's Girl is really super interesting because it was only
Speaker 2: the first time outside of interviewing the biographer of Alan Dershowitz,
Speaker 2: and this guy got is a young kid. He got
Speaker 2: real access to Dershowitz, and so I asked him obviously
Speaker 2: the Epstein Dershowitz question. And by the way, Dershowitz has
Speaker 2: a brother that he's totally estranged from that he also
Speaker 2: did an interview with and the brother's like, yeah, basically,
Speaker 2: my brother's a piece of shit. He loved being aroun
Speaker 2: these people. You know, he's getting what he deserves. He
Speaker 2: loved being around power and money. But dersh you know,
Speaker 2: he says, that's my one big regret ever being involved
Speaker 2: with Epstein. And then when asked about the less Wexner relationship,
Speaker 2: because Wexner is probably you know, you know, he's got
Speaker 2: way more money and power and influence than Epstein. He's
Speaker 2: the one that's given him this New York estate there,
Speaker 2: you know, seem to be in business together ten dollars
Speaker 2: for that mansion in New York. Dershowitz told him there
Speaker 2: were rumors that Wexner and Epstein were having a sexual
Speaker 2: relationship and Epstein was blackmailing him through that. Now, I
Speaker 2: kind of dismissed that as disinfo. But in this Nobody's
Speaker 2: Girl book, Virginia Gufray Roberts alludes to the fact that
Speaker 2: there was one guy, Les Wexner, that wasn't really interested
Speaker 2: in her sexually when they were doing these things and instead, would,
Speaker 2: you know, sexually approach Jeffrey Epstein. They were the ones
Speaker 2: that were touching intimately.
Speaker 1: Who that's freaking weird. Now when it comes to Virginia Giffrey,
Speaker 1: because I did a giant series on this and this
Speaker 1: is just my thoughts in my analysis of the entire situation,
Speaker 1: I think that is it's a possibility that it was
Speaker 1: her husband that killed her when you take into account
Speaker 1: everything that happened, the restraining order that she fouled, and
Speaker 1: then her her brother, her brother's wife coming out and
Speaker 1: saying that the last time that she had talked of
Speaker 1: Virginia said that if she was in another one of
Speaker 1: these situations with her husband, she might not make it
Speaker 1: out of live. That might explain her Instagram posts or
Speaker 1: Facebook post that you know, she knew that if she
Speaker 1: gets into another one of these bounts with her husband
Speaker 1: and she's released from the hospital, and that she was
Speaker 1: in the hospital because her husband actually beat her to
Speaker 1: an inch of her life, and she knew whenever she
Speaker 1: got released that he would end up killing her. So
Speaker 1: there's a there's not direct evidence, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of circumstantial evidence. Once you go through and you read
Speaker 1: all of that stuff and everything that was going on
Speaker 1: with her and her husband, things start to kind of
Speaker 1: make sense that it could that he could be the
Speaker 1: one that actually delivered the final blow. But it's also
Speaker 1: you know, could be could like you said, she could
Speaker 1: have just been suicide. There's been several of these Epstein
Speaker 1: victims that have died under mistake, various circumstances. Now you
Speaker 1: could chalk that up to the being drug addicts, because
Speaker 1: I saw what a lot of them, and the Virginia
Speaker 1: Giffrey case turns out to be was her swallowing a
Speaker 1: bunch of pills, just like all the other Epstein victims,
Speaker 1: except one, I think the jump out of a window
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Well, also Brunell, I mean, he's not a victim, but
Speaker 2: you know, he dies in a prison in Paris, France,
Speaker 2: and it actually just came out that he was about
Speaker 2: to testify against Jeffrey Epstein secretly in this case that
Speaker 2: they were building via the sdn Y. So look, obviously,
Speaker 2: obviously there are things to look into via this case,
Speaker 2: the Virginia Guffray Roberts thing. It's tough because a lot
Speaker 2: of people like to also point to the fact that,
Speaker 2: you know, she had accused both Dershowitz and Wexner of
Speaker 2: certain things that she had to drop, right, and it
Speaker 2: does seem like in those emails else she is, you know,
Speaker 2: doing some some setups in here as well. We also
Speaker 2: have to realize she was a teenage kid when she
Speaker 2: got brought into this network, right, and she's literally being
Speaker 2: dragged around the world and uh, you know, partied out.
Speaker 2: And that's a I mean, a terrible way to put
Speaker 2: it to all these very very powerful people, including Andrew, right,
Speaker 2: like Andrew certainly knows saint, but like compared to some
Speaker 2: of these other monsters, like in the book and as
Speaker 2: Meta reports, compared to like an ahoed Baraqu, I mean
Speaker 2: it's night and day, you know, a hood Baraq allegedly
Speaker 2: strangled this girl to the point where she thought she
Speaker 2: was gonna die. Very scary stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost it kind of tracks that that it
Speaker 1: could be the husband that was involved with this, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of the thing that makes the most sense
Speaker 1: other than it being suicide. But there are two other
Speaker 1: victims that died by suicide in Florida after testifying against
Speaker 1: Justline Maxwell. They died of ods in hotel rooms in
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida, very close together. So it's like this
Speaker 1: weird thing of people. It's almost like the jfk assassination, Right,
Speaker 1: there's so many weird things going on. All the people
Speaker 1: ended up dying that were witnesses in strange things. Also
Speaker 1: with Stanley Kubrick as well, and as White. A lot
Speaker 1: of the people that said that they had different cuts
Speaker 1: to Stanley Kubrick's eyes White Shot movie all ended up
Speaker 1: dying between ninety nine and in two thousand and four
Speaker 1: of really strange and weird circumstances, car accidents like all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But the weird thing with Virginia Giffrey was
Speaker 1: is that I was under the impression because several people,
Speaker 1: right as when that car accident happened, several people reached
Speaker 1: out to me. It was like, Virginia Giffrey just died
Speaker 1: in this car accident. Did you get that? No, when
Speaker 1: that happened, I swear to you, bro.
Speaker 2: Well, I had people in the comments saying, like after
Speaker 2: they saw the photograph, that she was dead and that
Speaker 2: this was a setup, and like, I saw that, but
Speaker 2: I didn't have anybody personally contact me like that, I
Speaker 2: like as a source.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember in an article saying that she died
Speaker 1: in the car crash, and then two weeks later whenever
Speaker 1: she really died for real. And I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: is a mandela if I don't believe in mandela, if
Speaker 1: I think it's just our memory, right, But it's just weird.
Speaker 1: How I remember seeing that she had died in the
Speaker 1: car accident, which I was talking with people. I was like,
Speaker 1: the bus was going fifty five miles per hour. How
Speaker 1: did this kill her? It wasn't even that bad of
Speaker 1: a car accident, Like, how did she die in this
Speaker 1: car crash? And then I was kind of shocked, which
Speaker 1: then led me to investigate and look into all this
Speaker 1: stuff and look into her family background in her genealogy.
Speaker 1: I got a I had to get a subscription to
Speaker 1: one of the freaking genealogy websites so I could track
Speaker 1: her family history. And it's so freaking complicated, dude, so
Speaker 1: much stuff going on with it. But that's what prompted
Speaker 1: me to look into it. To the in the very beginning, right,
Speaker 1: I would just kind of wrote it off.
Speaker 2: Was that I remember.
Speaker 1: Reading and people reaching out to me that she died
Speaker 1: in the car accident. And then I was even more shocked.
Speaker 1: Two weeks later, after she was released to the hospital,
Speaker 1: we got it again that she had died. It's almost
Speaker 1: like that, you know that viral video that's going around
Speaker 1: right now about that naval officer, that Navy seal that's
Speaker 1: yelling inside of the courtroom and it was like, won't
Speaker 1: fight for Israel, I won't die for Israel. That really
Speaker 1: big one this quay, I remember that exact same thing happening.
Speaker 2: I've not seen her. No, I haven't seen that one yet.
Speaker 1: Well, it's really popula is going around and I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this deja vu? I remember seeing this exact vaccine
Speaker 1: thing like a year ago.
Speaker 2: Not sure about that. But let's hit some of the point.
Speaker 2: Because you talked about drugs, right, and again, a lot
Speaker 2: of these girls that were recruited recruited because they did
Speaker 2: have drug issues, they did come from bad families, they
Speaker 2: could be more and more exploited, et cetera. But you know,
Speaker 2: first and first and foremost in the drug aspect, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people have broken their jump to
Speaker 2: conclusions matt out on the coded language surrounding jerky or
Speaker 2: pizza and all these other things. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that some of it can't be human trafficking, but one
Speaker 2: of the big things that you find, like in Iran contra,
Speaker 2: when you're dealing with guns, you're dealing with drugs. And
Speaker 2: when you're dealing with drugs and guns, you're also dealing
Speaker 2: with sex. Women girls, boys, all of it, all of
Speaker 2: it gets trafficked together, all of it gets utilized in
Speaker 2: are in manners. And for instance, you know, I just
Speaker 2: mentioned Prince Andrew and a hood Barack. Although everybody knows
Speaker 2: that Prince Andrew's part of the royal family and A
Speaker 2: hood Barack was the Prime Minister of Israel, what they
Speaker 2: don't know is they were both their nation's arms dealers.
Speaker 2: So Prince Andrew, you know big in the NATO, he
Speaker 2: was the UK's arms dealer. There are wiki leaks out
Speaker 2: there where he's basically pissed when they go around him
Speaker 2: because he was taking huge kickbacks in that. And A
Speaker 2: hood Barack was not only the Prime Minister, but the
Speaker 2: Israeli Defense Minister as well. And that'll segue into kind
Speaker 2: of the drugs in a moment. So there's a clip
Speaker 2: of Lewis Black, the comedian on that They Might be
Speaker 2: Drunk podcast, talking about going to Epstein's house. And this
Speaker 2: is I believe late nineties, maybe early two thousands, right,
Speaker 2: and he's being taken there with other comedians, one of
Speaker 2: which is in the emails Bobby Slayton, and he's in
Speaker 2: a pizza email. And we'll get there in a moment
Speaker 2: that's while we'll talk about code of language. But Lewis
Speaker 2: Black is there. He doesn't see, you know, anything the
Speaker 2: various everybody's having dinner. He thinks Gallaide Maxwell was there
Speaker 2: because there is an older woman that's who he assumes
Speaker 2: is Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. Epstein takes him into the other
Speaker 2: room and he asks Lewis Black if he knows what
Speaker 2: that is. He points up at a whiteboard. Lewis Black's
Speaker 2: like no, and he's like, I was discussing weapons systems
Speaker 2: with the Israeli defense minister last night. So again, you
Speaker 2: know Epstein's got these white You're not discussing that unless
Speaker 2: you're making money on it and cutting those deals. So,
Speaker 2: like I mentioned, Lewis Black took was taken there with
Speaker 2: a guy named Bobby Slayton. Bobby Slayton not with us anymore.
Speaker 2: Pretty funny comedian. He's in one of my all time
Speaker 2: favorite Kirby Enthusiasm episodes. He's in the Magical Pussy episode
Speaker 2: where he's out to I think lunch with all the
Speaker 2: guys and he's talking about his wife and her magical vagina,
Speaker 2: and everybody's kind of listening, and then he drops dead.
Speaker 2: So in true Larry David and Everybody's fashion, they all
Speaker 2: want to bang his wife. So great episode, go watch it.
Speaker 2: The reason I bring Slayton up is because he's in
Speaker 2: a pizza email with Leslie Groth and Slayton is the
Speaker 2: one asking Leslie Groth if she wants pizza. Okay, he
Speaker 2: wants to bring a pizza now obvious. I think Slayton's
Speaker 2: coming from across the country into New York. He may
Speaker 2: even be staying at this other place that not just
Speaker 2: the mansion, but Epstein essentially had a residence in New
Speaker 2: York where he would keep people that he would fly in.
Speaker 2: They would share rooms or whatever. And Slayton's asking her
Speaker 2: if she wants him to bring him her her a pizza,
Speaker 2: and she's like, ha haha, no, but thanks for asking.
Speaker 2: Obviously not pizza. But is it cocaine? Is it some
Speaker 2: kind of ecstasy? Is another type of drug? I'd say
Speaker 2: ninety plus percent that one's a drug email, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if not, you know something, it seems like it's a
Speaker 2: drug email. That's what I think Bobby Slayton could provide,
Speaker 2: not a child. As far as the jerky stuff. Okay, again,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it sure is suspicious. They keep talking
Speaker 2: about it in these fashions. But for instance, that very
Speaker 2: first one that caught everybody's attention about the Cannibal restaurant, right,
Speaker 2: turns out everybody again, people are weirdos, especially in California
Speaker 2: and New York. And the Cannibal restaurant did exist in
Speaker 2: New York, so there, it's a real place. It been
Speaker 2: shut down. It was high end cuisine. And the cook
Speaker 2: that they're talking about is a guy named Francis Derby.
Speaker 2: So Francis Derby's in the emails well over a thousand times.
Speaker 2: It's a different chef from the one that Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: knows that people are kind of upset about. I will
Speaker 2: say this again, Jamie Deluxe doing God's work out there
Speaker 2: in the Nobody's Girl episode or book, she talks about
Speaker 2: not Francis Derby, the Cannibal chef, but the other chef
Speaker 2: that people know, and she talks about how, by far
Speaker 2: he was the most human amongst everybody, like he would
Speaker 2: look at her in the eye, like she basically talks
Speaker 2: about how Epstein would have everybody walking around naked all
Speaker 2: the time, like you know, these girls were property right
Speaker 2: and she's like, you know, he never oggled me, even
Speaker 2: when I was walking around naked. He always looked me
Speaker 2: in the eye. Epstein apparently had a strict diet for
Speaker 2: these girls, which again you read these emails, that seems
Speaker 2: to be real one to keep them in a certain shape.
Speaker 2: He would sneak for j gray other types of food. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's not the one involved in a lot of these
Speaker 2: quote unquote jerky emails. But I just want everybody to
Speaker 2: know that we know who the actual chef is. And
Speaker 2: he actually did work at a restaurant called The Cannibal.
Speaker 2: So watch out when you break out those jump to
Speaker 2: conclusions mats. Now, once again, I've read the Podesta emails.
Speaker 2: They're very spooky. They got some really weird things in there.
Speaker 2: What for me is beyond weird and beyond coded language,
Speaker 2: is that you've got the names of the Lozado kids,
Speaker 2: and you've got their ages. You know, two of them
Speaker 2: under the age of ten years old be an uber
Speaker 2: to a farm to be in a heated pool for
Speaker 2: the entertainment of those on this mass email. That's not
Speaker 2: how you talked about children. First of all, you don't
Speaker 2: let like an eleven, nine and seven year old uber
Speaker 2: or somewhere without an adult and it's certainly not to
Speaker 2: a party on a farm to make sure that they
Speaker 2: were there for entertainment purposes and assure everybody that they
Speaker 2: will be in that pool for sure. Or those are
Speaker 2: the Podesta emails. So if no one's read that email,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what kind of a funny story. The
Speaker 2: good people at the New York Times, who I've had
Speaker 2: many an encounter with over the many years that I've
Speaker 2: been doing this, they contacted me at one point when
Speaker 2: those emails, the WikiLeaks emails had come out and they
Speaker 2: were doing a hit piece on Alex Jones, and they'd
Speaker 2: known that I'd worked for Alex Jones for a while.
Speaker 2: So I responded to them. I said, oh, I would
Speaker 2: be happy to do an interview as soon as your
Speaker 2: newspaper publishes this email and m the Lozado email. They
Speaker 2: didn't even try to contact me again after that. That
Speaker 2: was the stone cold done. They just they're not even
Speaker 2: They didn't want to dignify that with a response because
Speaker 2: they knew it wasn't gonna look good for them. They
Speaker 2: didn't I don't think they even wanted to acknowledge that
Speaker 2: one of the reporters had that specific email right in
Speaker 2: front of their face and would have to address it
Speaker 2: because especially in that situation, you find me one and
Speaker 2: I'm talking one mainstream outlet, print, video or online, any
Speaker 2: any of their formats CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox News that
Speaker 2: published that email or read it on air. Never happened,
Speaker 2: Never happened. Disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is disgusting, and I think they kind
Speaker 1: of ignored it because it was released on what was
Speaker 1: that third party, not the four chan but the wiki leaks.
Speaker 1: So it's like, when things are released not like that,
Speaker 1: then it's okay to comment on them, because that means
Speaker 1: that it's approved for everybody to comment on right. But
Speaker 1: when it's released, you know, not in an official capacity
Speaker 1: to what they call the CNN journalism or than New
Speaker 1: York Times journalists, you know what I mean, then they
Speaker 1: feel like that they don't have to comment on it.
Speaker 1: But it's turning out that a lot of those Podesta emails.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Hillary and Bill Clinton in their deposition?
Speaker 2: So I've not watched all four hours of each I
Speaker 2: need to. I've only watched even an hour of the
Speaker 2: less Wexner stuff. I need to do. Watch alongs with
Speaker 2: my audience on these things, because that's the first forty
Speaker 2: minutes of me watching Wexner. I mean, I I'm first
Speaker 2: of all again winning in the court of public opinion
Speaker 2: and having just like a few people with a spine
Speaker 2: within the government system. Thomas Massey, the main person him
Speaker 2: is why we're here. So and I don't like to
Speaker 2: call myself black pilt as a guy even watching Did
Speaker 2: you watch the first ten minutes of the Wexner won
Speaker 2: by chance?
Speaker 1: No? I did not. I didn't know that he actually
Speaker 1: had to go and do the deposition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they came to him. But bro, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there just watching the first ten minutes before they even
Speaker 2: get started, and I'm literally yelling out to myself like
Speaker 2: I'm at like a sports event, you know, like as
Speaker 2: excited as people get for like a baseball game or whatever.
Speaker 2: I can't He can't believe he's there, dude, he can't
Speaker 2: even believe he's there. Like he's in shock that this
Speaker 2: moment has come. Now. He probably knows he's not going
Speaker 2: to but he can't even believe it's this far. Like
Speaker 2: he's before they're getting him going. He needs a warm coffee.
Speaker 2: He's got a slew of lawyer's there. The one lawyer
Speaker 2: says something to him. He looks really nervously. He's biting
Speaker 2: on his tongue. He winks at the lawyer, like when
Speaker 2: I ask him about Jeffrey Epstein and intelligence and whether
Speaker 2: it was never said, he goes, no, never, and he
Speaker 2: goes the I think it was Blanche or one of
Speaker 2: these people goes all right, let's move on, and right
Speaker 2: away you see him relieved and he goes yes, Lets
Speaker 2: like it's it's like better than the best stand up
Speaker 2: comedy if you've been following this stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: like the actual links and like what a cartoon show
Speaker 2: we're in, I mean, And the one clip of Clinton
Speaker 2: has gone viral when he's asked about photos with Epstein
Speaker 2: and he can't it looks good and he's I have
Speaker 2: a little smile, a little sh can't help had a
Speaker 2: good time there, Like like they can't help themselves, right,
Speaker 2: Like Bill Clinton didn't doesn't think he did anything wrong, right,
Speaker 2: he's insulted he's even there. And the other thing is
Speaker 2: like these people are old enough right where they can't
Speaker 2: help themselves, right, Like you're gonna see a little bit
Speaker 2: through the facade now let me say this about Wexner. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he tries to portray himself throughout or like
Speaker 2: his lawyers have tried to coach him. He's just a
Speaker 2: little old man. He was taken advantage of by Jeffrey. Like,
Speaker 2: this is a guy that built a Victoria's secret empire
Speaker 2: and became a geopolitical player with the Wexner Foundation globally
Speaker 2: and got into the billionaire Megagree, He's just a little
Speaker 2: old man. He just fell It's a pretty remarkable fell
Speaker 2: into it. The moment he starts talking, Leslie Wexner okay,
Speaker 2: and he says more than a sentence, it is super
Speaker 2: apparent this guy is sharp as shit. Like he is,
Speaker 2: I mean, in his old age, he is still like
Speaker 2: you would beg for a Joe Biden to have half
Speaker 2: the cognition that this guy has have a quarter of
Speaker 2: the I mean, he is still slick. And that is why,
Speaker 2: uh you know, he ends up talking too much. And
Speaker 2: that's why, like four hours in you see that lawyer
Speaker 2: dip into les Wexner's ear and goes, if you fucking
Speaker 2: say more than five words again, I will fucking kill you.
Speaker 2: Because again they're trying to portray this guy as a
Speaker 2: naive dude that was taken advantage of by Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: and not a friend and partner. And it is very
Speaker 2: clear that is more of the relationship that they had. Now.
Speaker 2: I also want to make it clear it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like Epstein ever feels like he is a subordinate to anybody.
Speaker 2: I think that he definitely will take the acolyte role
Speaker 2: right in the sense that he's willing to be mentored
Speaker 2: by other people. But when you get Jeffrey Epstein in
Speaker 2: a room, Jeffrey Epstein fully fully believes, okay, he is
Speaker 2: the smartest guy in the room, and that he is
Speaker 2: going to make the most impact. And why do I
Speaker 2: say that? Writer? Did you have to watch the two
Speaker 2: hours of the fifteen to eighteen hour Bannon interview that's
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did, and I honestly liked it. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I thought that it was good.
Speaker 2: Well again, Bannon is being hired to try to kind
Speaker 2: of reform the public perception of Epstein in that.
Speaker 1: But one of the most wasn't that supposed to be
Speaker 1: like a fourteen hour long interview?
Speaker 2: It is? It's fifteen to eighteen hours, And the big
Speaker 2: question is why is only that two hours out? Like
Speaker 2: you would assume the Justice Department has all eighteen hours
Speaker 2: since Bannon's riddled through the files, right, and he's had
Speaker 2: to work with them. The Justice Department's actually been imprisoned
Speaker 2: by them, and we only have that two hour It's
Speaker 2: very bizarre. I'm waiting on the other, you know again,
Speaker 2: fourteen to seventeen hours. But the point maybe.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein is smarter than Steve Bannon, Like he was
Speaker 1: actively dumbing himself down to try and explain things to
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon just was not getting it.
Speaker 2: I think Bannon's playing a part there because they've already
Speaker 2: had conversations of where they wanted to go, but then
Speaker 2: Bannon interjects every once in a while. So like my
Speaker 2: point being like when Bannon does try to interject, especially
Speaker 2: on finances, right, he's talking to him about subprime loans
Speaker 2: and the two thousand and eight housing market and the crashes,
Speaker 2: and he's you know, talking about also in the regards
Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein being in jail and what phone call
Speaker 2: he's making, right, Yeah, But it's.
Speaker 1: Just interesting because Jeffrey Epstein is talking about how the
Speaker 1: freaking financial system works, Like why would you not ask
Speaker 1: him better questions, the better explain how the financial system.
Speaker 3: Works, because it's not about that, bro, it was about it.
Speaker 3: Back to the whole freaking weren't you really upset when
Speaker 3: you were in jail? Well again because ten times yeah,
Speaker 3: because Bannon's being paid by him. That's for Jeffrey Epste. Okay, guys,
Speaker 3: there is no doubt like that. That's a pr move.
Speaker 3: That's why he reached out to Bannon to do it
Speaker 3: for like the illusion that it was a hardcore interview. No,
Speaker 3: it's all pre planned, but like every once in a while,
Speaker 3: he throws something in there. And this is where the
Speaker 3: ego gets in on Epstein. That really came out to
Speaker 3: me is.
Speaker 2: When Bannon is talking about finances and Epstein goes, nobody
Speaker 2: really knows, right, he starts talking about nobody knows when
Speaker 2: the crash is coming, and then Bannon lists off like
Speaker 2: a dozen different people in the economic field and he goes,
Speaker 2: you know, who would you say is smarter than you
Speaker 2: be able to predict it? And Epstein looks at him
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm sure there is somebody, but I
Speaker 2: can't think of him. I can't think of him right now. No,
Speaker 2: you don't think anybody smarter than you bro at all,
Speaker 2: Like you can tell and remember Steve is also playing it.
Speaker 2: You're a smart guy. How many times does Steve Bannon
Speaker 2: call him a smart guy in that interview?
Speaker 1: Look later on, but in the beginning he says, how
Speaker 1: does a dim witted person like you get involved with
Speaker 1: the rock? It's like he's hitting them, he's front loading
Speaker 1: them with like derogatory things. And then later on as
Speaker 1: the interview progresses, he's like, oh, you're super smart, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: just because he said that no one knows how the
Speaker 1: financial system works that like it doesn't. It's a very
Speaker 1: strange interview. I was seeing that I liked it and
Speaker 1: that I thought that it was good to be advantageous.
Speaker 2: But it's look, we need things like that, just like
Speaker 2: we need the Glene Maxwell testimony. Not because they're necessarily
Speaker 2: telling the truth, but it gives an insight to their mindset,
Speaker 2: and it gives other like for instance, you know, he
Speaker 2: started that interview talking about the relationship with David Rockefeller,
Speaker 2: right Actually in that same New York Times piece that
Speaker 2: I discussed with you earlier, with Douglas Lease, and Stanley Pottinger.
Speaker 2: The tail end of it is that meeting with David
Speaker 2: Rockefeller and being brought into the Trilateral Commission. Now we
Speaker 2: knowed he was part of the Trilateral Commission. Nobody at
Speaker 2: that point knew he had a personal relationship with David
Speaker 2: Rockefeller until you saw that Epstein interview or read this article.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know this about Rockefeller. He
Speaker 2: kind of became the face of the Rockefellers and globalism
Speaker 2: because they sent him off to naval intelligence. Rockefeller was
Speaker 2: like a meticulous guy. In fact, Rockefeller had his own
Speaker 2: Dewey decimal card system for everybody that he met. Go
Speaker 2: look this up. It's really interesting. So in the Rockefeller
Speaker 2: archives in New York, they're slowly releasing some of these,
Speaker 2: but not all of them. In fact, you can see
Speaker 2: where he meets Henry Kissinger for the first time and
Speaker 2: Kissinger gets on board, and it's nineteen fifty four at
Speaker 2: the initial Builderberg meeting, and of course a Kissinger will become,
Speaker 2: you know, the head of Rockefeller Associates, would be extremely
Speaker 2: influential up until his death less than what like half
Speaker 2: a decade ago. I mean, this guy's still meeting Trump
Speaker 2: while he's in office. So Rockefeller really really smart guy,
Speaker 2: and I'm super interested to know and see one day
Speaker 2: what the Jeffrey Epstein index cards has because it has
Speaker 2: to exist because Rockefeller is that dude. Everybody go look
Speaker 2: him up and go look up his little card system
Speaker 2: for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really interesting aspect of the entire interview.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was just so weird, bro, Like, he
Speaker 1: went so many different directions. He was talking about how
Speaker 1: we want to be able to measure the unexplainable things
Speaker 1: with science and like that. He's always interested in, like
Speaker 1: basically a cult and esoteric things. Like midway point of
Speaker 1: the interview, I'm like, what is going on here? Very
Speaker 1: strange interview. I wish I would release the rest of it.
Speaker 1: We need those other hours. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: what else and what other things I got into in
Speaker 1: the rest of that conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I want them. I've been I was an
Speaker 2: advocate before they came out. In fact, we know a
Speaker 2: couple things that he says in that interview or interviews
Speaker 2: that have not been public. For instance, Steve Bannon several
Speaker 2: years ago. Man, it could be five six years ago now,
Speaker 2: it was after Jeffrey Epstein's death, but he put out
Speaker 2: a trailer called The Monsters, and in that trailer he
Speaker 2: says to Jeffrey Epstein, you have an island. Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: corrects him and says, a couple islands. So a lot
Speaker 2: of people know about Little Saint James. Apparently he has
Speaker 2: another island. And then Steve Bannon replies, Islands of Doctor Morrell,
Speaker 2: and Epstein replies, that's correct. Now for those that don't
Speaker 2: know what that is, a reference to the Island of
Speaker 2: Doctor Moreau is a novel turned into a movie where
Speaker 2: they are doing human animal genetic testing and experimentation. And
Speaker 2: you know, essentially, you know from these files that he
Speaker 2: is obsessed with transhumanism, that he is talking to people
Speaker 2: like Richard Branson and others about cloning, cloning himself in
Speaker 2: particular using these type of clones for spare parts, and
Speaker 2: he's in contact I believe it was with Ben gerzel Is,
Speaker 2: who is the one who's talking to him about a
Speaker 2: list of those in the transhumanist community in which he
Speaker 2: should keep his eye on, including people like Aubrey de Gray,
Speaker 2: of course, Ray Kurzwell and somebody that I talk about
Speaker 2: some times ad nauseum when I talk about this subject.
Speaker 2: Martin Rothblatt formerly Martin Rothblatt. So yeah, I need to
Speaker 2: see the rest of those videos. You know, you just
Speaker 2: talked about the fact that Epstein's talking about outdated math
Speaker 2: and sounding like David Ike when he's talking about the
Speaker 2: nature of reality, right, So I was also taking like,
Speaker 2: forget about just the Federal Reserve stuff and the FIAT
Speaker 2: money stuff and sounding like Ron Paul No later out
Speaker 2: in the thing when he's talking about the nature of reality,
Speaker 2: he sounds about his David Ike as David Ike gets.
Speaker 1: That's what I was really shocked about and was like,
Speaker 1: are these people secretly really interested into this stuff? It
Speaker 1: kind of seems like it seems like these super uber
Speaker 1: rich people also are really in to the occult, really
Speaker 1: into what is a transmutation or transfiguration and things like that,
Speaker 1: and they're probably funding it. I mean, you talked about
Speaker 1: what was the place that he said that he funded,
Speaker 1: Tavistock and was at Tavastock Institute. There's one of these
Speaker 1: places that's a really big popular place that studies like anomalies.
Speaker 1: He said in the interview with Steve Bannon that he
Speaker 1: was funding doing this. I don't remember what the name
Speaker 1: of it was.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it was Tavistock. But again, you know,
Speaker 2: Epstein had his clause in a lot of the areas
Speaker 2: of not just transhumanism but AI itself, right, Like you
Speaker 2: see the relationships with Chomsky at MIT, but that was
Speaker 2: not the only relationship at MIT. A lot of that
Speaker 2: was narrative management. But at the same time, Epstein's in
Speaker 2: these emails not just talking about artificial intelligence but agis
Speaker 2: and essentially for those that don't know that, is that
Speaker 2: that's becoming the vernacular now artificial general intelligence. And he's
Speaker 2: talking about ad nauseum twenty twelve and thirteen. He had
Speaker 2: numerous different charities that he was able to wield, influence
Speaker 2: and fund different programs with. And you talk about the
Speaker 2: weird occult stuff, right, And I think that that's also
Speaker 2: really important because a lot of it supersedes Epstein and
Speaker 2: you could get into like generational knowledge, right. Like one
Speaker 2: of the really interesting emails is that he's being contacted
Speaker 2: by this guy and he is being asked, who is
Speaker 2: it Murray Gellman. He's being asked if Murray Gellman would
Speaker 2: be a good person for the quote unquote Zodiac Club, right,
Speaker 2: And for those that don't know what the Zodiac Club,
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. I had no idea it even existed.
Speaker 2: And I've looked into secret societies for years. Not a
Speaker 2: lot online about these guys. New York based quote unquote
Speaker 2: Secrets is society of white men. It specifically says in
Speaker 2: the emails, no minorities and no women, of course, and
Speaker 2: it also talks about basically for some reason, this guy
Speaker 2: is asking Jeffrey Epstein his opinion on Gelman, who's a
Speaker 2: physicist and would be kind of like the science arm
Speaker 2: of this group, if he would make a good fit.
Speaker 2: And then he's explaining that there's a dozen members. You
Speaker 2: only get kicked out if you die, if you go senile,
Speaker 2: you're still a member. You just don't get to come
Speaker 2: to the meetings. And when you look at like I
Speaker 2: mean talking about the head of the New York Stock
Speaker 2: Exchange back in the day, you're talking about people like
Speaker 2: JP Morgan back in the day, like big players, especially
Speaker 2: in the financial arena. On this one, they named three
Speaker 2: of the members. He says he doesn't know all of them.
Speaker 2: One of them is Bob Priirie. Bob Priiri is one
Speaker 2: of the money manager's, main money manager for the Rothchild family.
Speaker 2: Kind of a big deal, okay. In fact, Pirirri got
Speaker 2: a send off written about him by Henry Kissinger, who
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier today. Then you had actually Tom Brokaw
Speaker 2: as one of the people as well, kind of for
Speaker 2: that narrative management aspect. And the other one we talked
Speaker 2: about finances and being influential was Paul Volker, who was
Speaker 2: the head of the Federal Reserve. So you have like
Speaker 2: this weird secret of society based in zodiac symbolism. Somebody
Speaker 2: represents cancer and Leo, you know, all these different things,
Speaker 2: and it is oddly embedded in all these things. And
Speaker 2: then you talk about really eugenics. One of the oddest
Speaker 2: things about Epstein is that he seemed to be like
Speaker 2: a genetically quote unquote Jewish supremacist. They didn't want the
Speaker 2: religion of Judaism. In fact, if you were a religious person,
Speaker 2: you were of no interest to Epstein. But there is
Speaker 2: this email between a woman I think her name is
Speaker 2: Dasha Markova or something like that. She's a big deal
Speaker 2: and in it and this is a hundred there'll being
Speaker 2: one hundred percent serious in this email. Essentially she's talking
Speaker 2: about how smart Jeffrey Epstein is and how he's ninety
Speaker 2: eight percent Jewish. And by the way, you take a
Speaker 2: twenty three and met folks, it's not you. You can't
Speaker 2: test for Jewish, it's Ashkanazi or Kazarian. And these people
Speaker 2: are only concerned with the Ashkanazi. I guarantee you that.
Speaker 2: So he starts talking about how he's ninety eight percent
Speaker 2: Jewish and he's very smart, and she has a boss
Speaker 2: and he was like seventy something percent Jewish and he
Speaker 2: was smart, but not as smart as Epstein. And then
Speaker 2: she starts talking about how they can recruit people from
Speaker 2: Jewish families, have them do a twenty three and me test,
Speaker 2: and then those that score a ninety eight percentile of
Speaker 2: jew they will throw a work party and then recruit
Speaker 2: those people to work for them. Not a joke, guys,
Speaker 2: Like people need to they really believe this, Like how
Speaker 2: nutty is that? Like that is beyond crazy. But they
Speaker 2: also specify in that email that they don't want religious
Speaker 2: people because they need sociopaths and psychopaths and people that
Speaker 2: aren't connecting with the higher power and therefore can't connect properly.
Speaker 2: With the rest of humanity. It's very much that do
Speaker 2: as thou wilt Alistair Crowley ideal set.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if you did that with any other
Speaker 1: race of people.
Speaker 2: Well, that's my point, Like you know, the left, and
Speaker 2: again another really odd thing to me. It's not odd.
Speaker 2: It shows you where these people are really at on
Speaker 2: the quote unquote left. They're not honest, intellectually or otherwise.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the meme email of the most interesting
Speaker 2: man in the world that's in there. No, Oh, Todd
Speaker 2: should have been front page story everywhere. No one's touched it. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I probably have to go back,
Speaker 2: like almost a month into my thing, and even then
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll show it. But basically it
Speaker 2: is an email with zero context. I want to make
Speaker 2: that extremely clear. We don't know who it's sent to
Speaker 2: and who it's sent from. Both the email address and
Speaker 2: the names are protected for obvious reasons. But you notice
Speaker 2: that you know Epstein didn't have you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people of color, if you will, surrounding him, and
Speaker 2: certainly did seem to have a certain type, most of
Speaker 2: them being younger, blonde, skinny. Well, this email man and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm really going back trying to find it.
Speaker 1: No black people or something.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, sir, this is much worse.
Speaker 2: This is This is be again. Should have been headlines everywhere,
Speaker 2: but made zero headlines. Man. I keep going back because.
Speaker 1: We just describe it, describe it, but.
Speaker 2: Basically as the most interesting man in the world. And
Speaker 2: it just says I don't usually talk to black people,
Speaker 2: but when I do, I say hey, up anybody. But
Speaker 2: when I do, I usually start out by saying, hey, whoever.
Speaker 2: And I want people to understand this isn't Jason Burm
Speaker 2: assaulting the files. This is really in there and for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, this should not be classified. We don't know
Speaker 2: who it was sent to from. There's nothing like, there's
Speaker 2: no context other than that they're biggots, folks, they're racists.
Speaker 2: They're pieces of shit, all right, And think about the
Speaker 2: irony of this Epstein. Now, I don't know this is
Speaker 2: from her to Epstein, but I have my suspicion. I
Speaker 2: wonder who the other person is. Right, Epstein's got a
Speaker 2: black politician in his pocket that we can watch in
Speaker 2: real time on c SPAN. As he texts her. We
Speaker 2: have the emails as he texts her so that she
Speaker 2: will ask specific questions to Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen,
Speaker 2: and then when she does ask those questions, he texts
Speaker 2: her what a great job she's done. Let that sink in, folks.
Speaker 2: You know and remember, Epstein largely is funding a lot
Speaker 2: of the democratic causes and propaganda, including transgenderism, in which
Speaker 2: you know, you have that email with one of these
Speaker 2: guys I think is Robert Trivers or whatever. We're at
Speaker 2: the end. He's advocating for hormone therapy or sex changes
Speaker 2: to three year olds.
Speaker 1: Well, to wrap this back to nine to eleven, is
Speaker 1: there anything about nine to eleven in the Epstein files?
Speaker 2: Great question? Yeah, absolutely, actually there is so far. First
Speaker 2: and foremost, we've seen about two and a half million
Speaker 2: pages supposedly right that have been released. They say they
Speaker 2: have three million more pages. Okay, there are large gaps
Speaker 2: in the Epstein files in two specific places, the late
Speaker 2: nineties ninety nine to two thousand and two, right in
Speaker 2: that arena, and then also oddly in the mid to
Speaker 2: late nineties, I think ninety six to ninety eight. Now,
Speaker 2: with the ninety six to ninety eight stuff, I really
Speaker 2: believe it looks like there's probably an investigation into Epstein
Speaker 2: that went nowhere that they don't want to admit to
Speaker 2: because it would show that they could have done something.
Speaker 2: The reason that I suspect this, and by the way,
Speaker 2: they've already admitted that Epstein was also under investigation for
Speaker 2: drugs by the ATF. Okay, that's another thing people aren't
Speaker 2: And like I said, they all go together. Remember, Maria
Speaker 2: Farmer had claimed that she went to the FBI and
Speaker 2: filed her report in nineteen ninety six. That document was
Speaker 2: released in the Epstein file, so it's no longer speculation.
Speaker 2: She absolutely filed that report. So there's a good chance
Speaker 2: that right there. That's why a bunch of those files
Speaker 2: are missing. Now, as far as you know the ninety
Speaker 2: nine to two thousand and two stuff, there's a good
Speaker 2: chance that Epstein is very much involved in dealings via
Speaker 2: what will become homeland security, the body scanners, the TSA,
Speaker 2: a multitude of the contracting overseas, Israeli policy, you name it.
Speaker 2: That's what I think we're seeing there. The more exotic
Speaker 2: stuff would be the possibility of him maybe having insider
Speaker 2: knowledge via the trades that went on that day and
Speaker 2: that investigation went nowhere. And the reason I speculate on
Speaker 2: that is we do have emails, for instance, of Peter Mandelsson,
Speaker 2: who has now been arrested in the UK. Peter Mandelsson
Speaker 2: is giving Epstein the scoop on what he says will
Speaker 2: be a five hundred billion dollar bailout of the euro
Speaker 2: and the European Union. People forget that it actually ended
Speaker 2: up being seven hundred and fifty billion. With that type
Speaker 2: of knowledge before it comes through, you can make a
Speaker 2: lot of money. Okay. So I have the strong sneaking
Speaker 2: suspicion that that may be why we're missing those files.
Speaker 2: We also have to come to the realization Number one,
Speaker 2: there are certain things these people are never going to release.
Speaker 2: Number two, they're already admitting that somebody supposedly hacked in
Speaker 2: and destroyed five hundred gigabytes of information or no, not
Speaker 2: five hundred gigabytes. Five hundred gigabytes would be small, five
Speaker 2: hundred terabytes of information, which is astronomical, and that they
Speaker 2: recovered four hundred of it. It was like a remote hack.
Speaker 2: It's buried in the files. I'm seeing people report on
Speaker 2: it now. Derek Brose just did something on I should
Speaker 2: do a full one so look, that's that's a lot
Speaker 2: of info that we're probably never going to see, right,
Speaker 2: what we do have a.
Speaker 1: Lot of files, dude, five terabytes. That's freaking huge.
Speaker 2: Huge, Not five five hundred terabytes altogether, but one hundred
Speaker 2: terabytes lost forever. Yes, not fivetes and one hundred terabytes. God,
Speaker 2: I believe it's it's it's that's the report. I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm misspeaking. I don't think it's gigabytes. You know,
Speaker 2: people can go check it out, please fact check me.
Speaker 2: I'm a human being. I make mistakes as far as
Speaker 2: nine to eleven itself. There is one specific email where
Speaker 2: Gallainne Maxwell is being emailed by a Jay Edward Epstein
Speaker 2: asking her if she would like to be part of
Speaker 2: a shadow nine to eleven commission. Jay Edward Epstein also
Speaker 2: happens to be not just a journalist and somebody who's
Speaker 2: done a ton of books on JFK and essentially tried
Speaker 2: to act like the contrary and asking the hard questions,
Speaker 2: but then you know, goes with the official version, right.
Speaker 2: And he actually wrote a book about James Engleton, one
Speaker 2: of the CIA leads, and I mean he's very much
Speaker 2: an apologist for the establishment. So this is before the
Speaker 2: nine to eleven commission is being formed. And remember the
Speaker 2: initial nine to eleven commission was to be headed up
Speaker 2: by who Henry Kissinger. A lot of people forget that
Speaker 2: there's somebody else who was going to be his co
Speaker 2: chair who actually resigned before Kissinger. That man's name was
Speaker 2: George Mitchell. George Mitchell's all up in the Epstein files
Speaker 2: and has been for years. You know, this guy again
Speaker 2: in Congress is accused of some pretty heinous stuff, all right,
Speaker 2: So George Mitchell actually resigned from the nine to eleven
Speaker 2: commission before Kissinger. What is a shadow commission on nine
Speaker 2: to eleven? Epstein had put together a website. I showed
Speaker 2: screenshots of that website what we had from archive dot org.
Speaker 2: Epstein had actually asked the very real question of whether
Speaker 2: or not these guys actually used box cutters. So he
Speaker 2: was like setting himself up as at you know, they're
Speaker 2: lying to us, but not about what you think, right,
Speaker 2: So I think very much part of narrative management. I'll
Speaker 2: give you another great example. I did a whole video
Speaker 2: on this other Epstein, this Jay Edward Epstein. For instance,
Speaker 2: there is a communication in there between Epstein and this
Speaker 2: I think Ben Solemn character not MBS, but another person
Speaker 2: like in that very much in that world. And it's
Speaker 2: basically talking about an Israeli operation that was a assassination
Speaker 2: of a Hamas leader I believe in Dubai, okay, And
Speaker 2: he says, I'm gonna call you up. We're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about this. This doesn't help anybody the other Epstein ends
Speaker 2: up going on Charlie Rose okay, and they've got videos
Speaker 2: of this entire assassination operation. They lead the show with
Speaker 2: the videos of the guys that assassinate the other guy,
Speaker 2: like in the hotel, on the on the elevator, anybody
Speaker 2: can look at I played it on my show. And
Speaker 2: Epstein is the one guy that's like, hold up, we
Speaker 2: don't know that this is an Israeli operation, you know,
Speaker 2: like literally so gallinne Maxwell, you know, for people that
Speaker 2: don't understand what her father did outside of being an
Speaker 2: intelligence agent for not just Israel, but it looks like
Speaker 2: he was working with British intelligence even Russian intelligence as well.
Speaker 2: He was a part of narrative management. You know. His
Speaker 2: empire was a media empire. You know that it was
Speaker 2: the Daily Mirror and all these other outlets that were
Speaker 2: shaping narratives. That's why he was so useful to them.
Speaker 2: Outside of other connections. So j Edward Epstein is another
Speaker 2: useful tool for narrative management. Steve Bannon is another useful
Speaker 2: tool for narrative management. Noam Chomsky is an other useful
Speaker 2: tool for narrative management. And it works both ways. Like
Speaker 2: one of the emails from Bannon after he'd been kicked
Speaker 2: out of the initial Trump administration, I think it's from
Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen, he contacts Epstein and he's like, can
Speaker 2: we take out Powell? Talking about Jerome Powell of the
Speaker 2: FED at the time and Steve Manushan, who's a part
Speaker 2: of the Trump administration at the time. Epstein's pretty frank
Speaker 2: with him. He says, you know, Powell's going to be
Speaker 2: a problem. Manusian we can work with. Who had a
Speaker 2: lot of trouble during that first Trump wasn't Jerome Powell?
Speaker 2: Was it Steve? No It looks like you and Epstein
Speaker 2: did your job, and definitely we're able to go after MANUSI. So, look,
Speaker 2: these files are the real deal. Now. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: putting together this documentary series called the Epstein Files. So
Speaker 2: we can focus in on really, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Even the mainstream media is in that this is proving
Speaker 2: a global conspiracy sort of. But when you actually piece
Speaker 2: these things together, in these networks together, what are they?
Speaker 2: They're the exact networks that I highlighted and tried to
Speaker 2: focus on in my film Invisible Empire, A New World
Speaker 2: Order Defined Rider And you know, just so your audience knows,
Speaker 2: you don't have to buy you can't buy them from me.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to buy my movies right now. If you
Speaker 2: would like to see them, you can go watch all
Speaker 2: of them on my YouTube channel in my documentary playlist
Speaker 2: by two on nine eleven, Loose Change, Final Cut and
Speaker 2: Fabled Enemies totally important. But if you want to know
Speaker 2: how the Epstein network works outside of Epstein, please watch
Speaker 2: Invisible Empire, A New World Order Defined. And then I
Speaker 2: followed that up with a film called Shade the Motion
Speaker 2: Picture where another guy in the files, Bill Gates, who
Speaker 2: he's they can't wait to do some pandemic planning together
Speaker 2: and get rid of all the poor How do we
Speaker 2: get rid of these damn poor people? Bill? I did
Speaker 2: a full movie called Shade the Motion Picture where there's
Speaker 2: like a twenty minute section on Bill Gates and Mon
Speaker 2: Satan and our food supply and our medical supply, and
Speaker 2: I warned people then that he was a bad guy.
Speaker 2: These files have really only validated my body of work
Speaker 2: in large part, and I expect if we actually get
Speaker 2: the rest of the files, especially the ones surrounding that
Speaker 2: nine to eleven era, they're only going to further do.
Speaker 1: So there's supposedly how many more files left, like three million.
Speaker 2: Well so these are pages, right, So like one file
Speaker 2: may have hundreds of pages in them, just like they're saying,
Speaker 2: like we don't have two and a half million files.
Speaker 2: We have two and a half million pages of files.
Speaker 2: Many of them are repeats too, But like, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: when we're actually talking about even hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: original documents, that's a lot to go through. You know.
Speaker 2: I mentioned, for instance, that Bobby Slayton email with the pizza.
Speaker 2: There's like four different versions of that email. Like it's
Speaker 2: funny I'd reported on it and not known it was
Speaker 2: Bobby Slayton because he was blacked out. And then by
Speaker 2: that those means it does sound like, hey, maybe this
Speaker 2: is human trafficking. But then after you find out who
Speaker 2: it is. It brings a different light to it. So look,
Speaker 2: you've got to go through these things pretty meticulously, and
Speaker 2: I'm constantly trying to cross reference dates and actions outside
Speaker 2: of the files themselves, and I'm far from the only
Speaker 2: one doing it. That's what's great about this is that
Speaker 2: there is this super community of actual sleuths out there
Speaker 2: that are doing the work. And quite frankly, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to put this work in just for what's available
Speaker 2: now for years to come, but if we get the rest,
Speaker 2: we certainly have even more work cut out for us.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much, brother, I really appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1: It was the Santa Fe Institute that was talking about
Speaker 1: what did I say, the Tavistock Institute, Yes, Satia Institute,
Speaker 1: along with some other institute that were investigating strange things
Speaker 1: or unexplainable events. Really appreciate your time, Jason. It was
Speaker 1: a wonderful conversation. Can you let people know where they
Speaker 1: can find you? Plug your social media is I know
Speaker 1: you just hit your YouTube channel there for people to
Speaker 1: go watch your documentaries, but any place else that you
Speaker 1: would like people to know about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want the raw stuff, right, And sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't do videos. Follow me on X it's a
Speaker 2: crap platform. It's a pay for play platform. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, like, if you want access to that
Speaker 2: email that proves these people are actually racists and bigots,
Speaker 2: you follow me and you have a link to the
Speaker 2: source material. I always tell people again, don't believe me.
Speaker 2: Please go check out what I've seen and the evidence
Speaker 2: I've presented, so you can get me at Jason Burmas
Speaker 2: on X. You see all the other links down below.
Speaker 2: Like I said, all the documentaries are free. And I've
Speaker 2: had my YouTube channel literally since two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: There are three thousand plus videos there, folks that you
Speaker 2: can go check my track record on and I thought
Speaker 2: tooth and nail to keep that channel. They didn't just
Speaker 2: demonetize me for five and a half years. They took
Speaker 2: my channel five separate times, and I had to fight
Speaker 2: with them on Twitter, slash X and shame the lords
Speaker 2: of alphabet slash Google, slash YouTube slash, the NSA and NASA,
Speaker 2: that's what they really are to get my channel back,
Speaker 2: and I did so keep fighting the good fight, and
Speaker 2: as I say at the end of all my shows,
Speaker 2: it is not about left or right, righter it is
Speaker 2: about right and wrong and hopefully I will see all
Speaker 2: these folks on the flip side.
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