Speaker 1: I also want to make it clear it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like Epstein ever feels like he is a subordinate to anybody.
Speaker 1: I think that he definitely will take the acolyte role
Speaker 1: right in the sense that he's willing to be mentored
Speaker 1: by other people. But when you get Jeffrey Epstein in
Speaker 1: a room, Jeffrey Epstein fully fully believes, okay, he is
Speaker 1: the smartest guy in the room, and that he is
Speaker 1: going to make the most impact. And why do I
Speaker 1: say that? Writer? Did you happen to watch the two
Speaker 1: hours of the fifteen to eighteen hour Bannon interview that's
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did, and I honestly liked it. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I thought that it was good.
Speaker 1: Well again, Bannon is being hired to try to kind
Speaker 1: of reform the public perception of Epstein in that. But
Speaker 1: one of the most wasn't.
Speaker 2: That supposed to be like a fourteen hour long interview?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 1: It's fifteen to eighteen hours, And the big question is
Speaker 1: why is only that two hours out? Like you would
Speaker 1: assume the Justice Department has all eighteen hours since Bannon's
Speaker 1: riddled through the files, right, and he's had to work
Speaker 1: with them. The Justice department. He's actually been imprisoned by them,
Speaker 1: and we only have that two hour It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on the other, you know again, fourteen to
Speaker 1: seventeen hours. But the point making.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein is smarter than Steve Bannon, Like he was
Speaker 2: actively dumbing himself down to try and explain things to
Speaker 2: Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon just was not getting it.
Speaker 3: But what I found was most people, what be in business,
Speaker 3: in normal life or in the world, leaders don't really
Speaker 3: understand money. It is something they think about, they have
Speaker 3: a sense of what it is. They certainly want more
Speaker 3: of it, but they also make statements like we want
Speaker 3: more money, but we don't want more debt, which just
Speaker 3: shows a misunderstanding of what money at its core really is.
Speaker 1: And Bannon's playing a part there because they've already had
Speaker 1: conversations of where they wanted to go. But then Bannon
Speaker 1: interjects every once in a while. So like my point
Speaker 1: being like when Bannon does try to interject, especially on finances, right,
Speaker 1: he's talking to him about subprime loans and the two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight housing market and the crashes, and he's
Speaker 1: you know, talking about also in the regards to Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein being in jail and what phone call he's making, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's just interesting because Jeffrey Epstein is talking
Speaker 2: about how the freaking financial system works, Like why would
Speaker 2: you not ask him better questions, the better explain how
Speaker 2: the financial system works.
Speaker 3: That the bank really doesn't have their money at any
Speaker 3: one time. It's one of the things during the depression there
Speaker 3: were runs on the bank. The reason the banks don't
Speaker 3: keep much money in the actual bank is they assume
Speaker 3: that not everyone's gonna want their money on the same day.
Speaker 3: So that's not really the fear of inflation. The fear
Speaker 3: is a run on the bank. Everybody wants to take
Speaker 3: out something that doesn't really exist. Inflation is tied to
Speaker 3: interest rates. It's a more complicated example.
Speaker 1: Because it's not about that, bros.
Speaker 2: It was about back to the whole freaking were you
Speaker 2: really up so when you were in jail, Well.
Speaker 1: Again, there's ten times yeah, because Bannon's being paid by him,
Speaker 1: that's for Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, that's guys, there is no doubt,
Speaker 1: like that's that's a pr move, like that's why, that's
Speaker 1: why he reached out to Bannon to do it for
Speaker 1: like the illusion that it was a hardcore interview. No,
Speaker 1: it's all pre planned, but like every once in a while,
Speaker 1: he throws something in there. And this is where the
Speaker 1: ego gets in on Epstein. That really came out to
Speaker 1: me is when Bam is talking about finances and Epstein goes,
Speaker 1: nobody really knows, right. He starts talking about nobody knows
Speaker 1: when the crash is coming, and then Bannon lists off
Speaker 1: like a dozen different people in the economic field and
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, who would you say is smarter
Speaker 1: than you'd be able to predict it? And Epstein looks
Speaker 1: at him and he goes, I'm sure there is somebody,
Speaker 1: but I can't think of him. I can't think of
Speaker 1: him right now. No, you don't think anybody smarter than you,
Speaker 1: bro at all, like you could tell. And remember Steve
Speaker 1: is also playing it. You're a smart guy. How many
Speaker 1: times does Steve Bannon call him a smart guy in
Speaker 1: that interview?
Speaker 2: Look, he doesn't later on, but in the beginning he says,
Speaker 2: how does a dim witted person like you get involved
Speaker 2: with the rock? It's like he's hitting them, just front
Speaker 2: loading them with like derogatory things. And then later on.
Speaker 2: As the interview progresses, he's like, oh, you're super smart, Jeffrey,
Speaker 2: just because he said that no one knows how the
Speaker 2: financial system works.
Speaker 3: But so if I said to you, does your doctor
Speaker 3: you understand your body system? You'd say, well, I hope so,
Speaker 3: because say I wanted to keep me healthy. But you
Speaker 3: could have a kidney infection, you could have a heart attack,
Speaker 3: you could have a broken knee. There's lots of pieces
Speaker 3: of this system, and in fact, when you ask the question,
Speaker 3: very few doctors understand your entire body. There's a specialist
Speaker 3: for your knee, there's a specialist for your polynoidal system,
Speaker 3: there's a specialist for your head, and now we have
Speaker 3: specialists in different areas. So I'm going to get to
Speaker 3: your first question about Santa Fe Institute. The world economy
Speaker 3: and your body both comprised of little systems interacting with
Speaker 3: each other and making one big.
Speaker 2: It's a very strange interview. I've a scene that I
Speaker 2: liked it, and then I thought that it was good
Speaker 2: to be advantageous, but it's a very look.
Speaker 1: We need things like that, just like we need the
Speaker 1: Glein mac Swell testimony, not because they're necessarily telling the truth.
Speaker 1: But it gives an insight to their mindset, and it
Speaker 1: gives other like for instance, you know he started that
Speaker 1: interview talking about the relationship with David Rockefeller, right actually
Speaker 1: in that same New York Times piece that I discussed
Speaker 1: with you earlier with Douglas Lease and Stanley Pottinger. The
Speaker 1: tail end of it is that meeting with David Rockefeller
Speaker 1: and being brought into the Trilateral Commission. Now we know
Speaker 1: he was part of the Trilateral Commission. Nobody at that
Speaker 1: point knew he had a personal relationship with David Rockefeller
Speaker 1: until you know, you saw that Epstein interview or read
Speaker 1: this article. A lot of people don't know this about Rockefeller.
Speaker 1: He kind of became the face of the Rockefellers and
Speaker 1: globalism because they sent him off to Naval intelligence. Rockefeller
Speaker 1: was like a meticulous guy. In fact, Rock had his
Speaker 1: own Dewey decimal card system for everybody that he met.
Speaker 1: Go look this up. It's really interesting. So in the
Speaker 1: Rockefeller archives in New York, they're slowly releasing some of
Speaker 1: these but not all of them. In fact, you can
Speaker 1: see where he meets Henry Kissinger for the first time
Speaker 1: and Kissinger gets on board and it's nineteen fifty fourth
Speaker 1: the initial Builderberg meeting, and of course a Kissinger will
Speaker 1: become the head of Rockefeller Associates and be extremely influential
Speaker 1: up until his death less than what like half a
Speaker 1: decade ago. I mean, this guy's still meeting Trump while
Speaker 1: he's in office. So Rockefeller really really smart guy. And
Speaker 1: I'm super interested to know and see one day what
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epstein index cards has because it has to
Speaker 1: exist because Rockefeller is that dude. Everybody go look him
Speaker 1: up and go look up his little card system people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really interesting aspect of the entire interview.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was just so weird, bro, Like he
Speaker 2: win so many different directions. I was talking about how
Speaker 2: we want to be able to measure the unexplainable things
Speaker 2: with science and like that he's always interested in, like
Speaker 2: basically a cult and esoteric things.
Speaker 3: They were trying to put explain the unexplainable. Many things
Speaker 3: approached the wall, or in his inclculus, approached the limit,
Speaker 3: but never really reached it. So he said, it's okay,
Speaker 3: you don't have to reach it. We can do lots
Speaker 3: of the mathematics. As if it was so close it
Speaker 3: was almost there and we could do lots of mathematics
Speaker 3: almost being at the limit. And this is really important, Steve,
Speaker 3: for today because most of the science up until today
Speaker 3: was things that are starting to approach the limit.
Speaker 1: Interview.
Speaker 2: I wish it would release the rest of it. We
Speaker 2: need those other hours. I would love to hear what
Speaker 2: else and what other things they got into in the
Speaker 2: rest of that conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I want I've been I was an advocate
Speaker 1: before they came out. In fact, we know a couple
Speaker 1: things that he says in that interview or interviews that
Speaker 1: have not been public. For instance, Steve Bannon several years ago, man,
Speaker 1: it could be five six years ago now, it was
Speaker 1: after Jeffrey Epstein's death, but he put out a trailer
Speaker 1: called The Monsters, and in that trailer he says to
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, you have an island. Jeffrey Epstein corrects him
Speaker 1: and says a couple islands. So a lot of people
Speaker 1: know about Little Saint James. Apparently he has another island,
Speaker 1: and then Steve Bannon replies, islands of Doctor Morrell, and
Speaker 1: Epstein replies, that's correct. Now for those that don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, a reference to the Island of Doctor
Speaker 1: Moreau is a novel turned into a movie where they
Speaker 1: are doing human animal genetic testing and experimentation. And you know,
Speaker 1: essentially you know from these files that he is obsessed
Speaker 1: with transhumanism, that he is talking to people like Richard
Speaker 1: Branson and others about cloning, cloning himself in particular using
Speaker 1: these type of clones for spare parts. And he's in
Speaker 1: contact I believe it was with Ben gertzel Is, who
Speaker 1: is the one who's talking to him about a list
Speaker 1: of those in the transhumanist community in which he should
Speaker 1: keep his eye on, including people like Aubrey De Gray,
Speaker 1: of course, Ray Kurzwell, and somebody that I talk about
Speaker 1: sometimes ad nausea when I talk about this subject, Martin
Speaker 1: Rothblatt formerly Martin Rothblatt. So yeah, I need to see
Speaker 1: the rest of those videos. You know, you just talked
Speaker 1: about the fact that Epstein's talking about outdated math and
Speaker 1: sounding like David Ike when he's talking about the nature
Speaker 1: of reality. Right, So now I was also taking like,
Speaker 1: forget about just the Federal Reserve stuff and the FIAT
Speaker 1: money stuff and sounding like Ron Paul no later out
Speaker 1: of the thing when he's talking about the nature of reality.
Speaker 1: He sounds about his David Ike as David Ike gets.
Speaker 2: That's what I was really shocked about, And I was like,
Speaker 2: are these people secretly really interested into this stuff? It
Speaker 2: kind of seems like it seems like these super uber
Speaker 2: rich people also are really into the occult, really into
Speaker 2: what is that transmutation or transfiguration and things like that,
Speaker 2: and they're probably funding it.
Speaker 1: You know, Epstein had his claws in a lot of
Speaker 1: the areas of not just transhumanism but AI itself, right,
Speaker 1: Like you see the relationships with Chomsky at MIT, but
Speaker 1: that was not the only relationship at MIT. A lot
Speaker 1: of that was narrative management. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: Epstein's in these emails not just talking about artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: but agis and essentially for those that don't know that
Speaker 1: is that that's becoming the vernacular now artificial general intelligence,
Speaker 1: and he's talking about ad nauseum twenty twelve, two and
Speaker 1: thirteen