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<v Speaker 1>I also want to make it clear it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like Epstein ever feels like he is a subordinate to anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he definitely will take the acolyte role

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<v Speaker 1>right in the sense that he's willing to be mentored

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<v Speaker 1>by other people. But when you get Jeffrey Epstein in

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<v Speaker 1>a room, Jeffrey Epstein fully fully believes, okay, he is

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<v Speaker 1>the smartest guy in the room, and that he is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the most impact. And why do I

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<v Speaker 1>say that? Writer? Did you happen to watch the two

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<v Speaker 1>hours of the fifteen to eighteen hour Bannon interview that's

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<v Speaker 1>out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I did, and I honestly liked it. I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well again, Bannon is being hired to try to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reform the public perception of Epstein in that. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That supposed to be like a fourteen hour long interview?

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<v Speaker 2>It is?

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<v Speaker 1>It's fifteen to eighteen hours, And the big question is

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<v Speaker 1>why is only that two hours out? Like you would

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<v Speaker 1>assume the Justice Department has all eighteen hours since Bannon's

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<v Speaker 1>riddled through the files, right, and he's had to work

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<v Speaker 1>with them. The Justice department. He's actually been imprisoned by them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we only have that two hour It's very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting on the other, you know again, fourteen to

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen hours. But the point making.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein is smarter than Steve Bannon, Like he was

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<v Speaker 2>actively dumbing himself down to try and explain things to

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon just was not getting it.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I found was most people, what be in business,

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<v Speaker 3>in normal life or in the world, leaders don't really

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<v Speaker 3>understand money. It is something they think about, they have

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of what it is. They certainly want more

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<v Speaker 3>of it, but they also make statements like we want

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<v Speaker 3>more money, but we don't want more debt, which just

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<v Speaker 3>shows a misunderstanding of what money at its core really is.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bannon's playing a part there because they've already had

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<v Speaker 1>conversations of where they wanted to go. But then Bannon

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<v Speaker 1>interjects every once in a while. So like my point

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<v Speaker 1>being like when Bannon does try to interject, especially on finances, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking to him about subprime loans and the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight housing market and the crashes, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talking about also in the regards to Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein being in jail and what phone call he's making, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, it's just interesting because Jeffrey Epstein is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how the freaking financial system works, Like why would

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<v Speaker 2>you not ask him better questions, the better explain how

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<v Speaker 2>the financial system works.

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<v Speaker 3>That the bank really doesn't have their money at any

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<v Speaker 3>one time. It's one of the things during the depression there

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<v Speaker 3>were runs on the bank. The reason the banks don't

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<v Speaker 3>keep much money in the actual bank is they assume

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<v Speaker 3>that not everyone's gonna want their money on the same day.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not really the fear of inflation. The fear

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<v Speaker 3>is a run on the bank. Everybody wants to take

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<v Speaker 3>out something that doesn't really exist. Inflation is tied to

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<v Speaker 3>interest rates. It's a more complicated example.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not about that, bros.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about back to the whole freaking were you

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<v Speaker 2>really up so when you were in jail, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, there's ten times yeah, because Bannon's being paid by him,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, that's guys, there is no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's that's a pr move, like that's why, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he reached out to Bannon to do it for

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<v Speaker 1>like the illusion that it was a hardcore interview. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all pre planned, but like every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>he throws something in there. And this is where the

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<v Speaker 1>ego gets in on Epstein. That really came out to

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<v Speaker 1>me is when Bam is talking about finances and Epstein goes,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody really knows, right. He starts talking about nobody knows

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<v Speaker 1>when the crash is coming, and then Bannon lists off

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<v Speaker 1>like a dozen different people in the economic field and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, you know, who would you say is smarter

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<v Speaker 1>than you'd be able to predict it? And Epstein looks

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<v Speaker 1>at him and he goes, I'm sure there is somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't think of him. I can't think of

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<v Speaker 1>him right now. No, you don't think anybody smarter than you,

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<v Speaker 1>bro at all, like you could tell. And remember Steve

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<v Speaker 1>is also playing it. You're a smart guy. How many

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<v Speaker 1>times does Steve Bannon call him a smart guy in

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<v Speaker 1>that interview?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, he doesn't later on, but in the beginning he says,

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<v Speaker 2>how does a dim witted person like you get involved

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<v Speaker 2>with the rock? It's like he's hitting them, just front

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<v Speaker 2>loading them with like derogatory things. And then later on.

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<v Speaker 2>As the interview progresses, he's like, oh, you're super smart, Jeffrey,

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<v Speaker 2>just because he said that no one knows how the

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<v Speaker 2>financial system works.

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<v Speaker 3>But so if I said to you, does your doctor

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<v Speaker 3>you understand your body system? You'd say, well, I hope so,

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<v Speaker 3>because say I wanted to keep me healthy. But you

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<v Speaker 3>could have a kidney infection, you could have a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 3>you could have a broken knee. There's lots of pieces

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<v Speaker 3>of this system, and in fact, when you ask the question,

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<v Speaker 3>very few doctors understand your entire body. There's a specialist

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<v Speaker 3>for your knee, there's a specialist for your polynoidal system,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a specialist for your head, and now we have

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<v Speaker 3>specialists in different areas. So I'm going to get to

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<v Speaker 3>your first question about Santa Fe Institute. The world economy

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<v Speaker 3>and your body both comprised of little systems interacting with

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<v Speaker 3>each other and making one big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very strange interview. I've a scene that I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it, and then I thought that it was good

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<v Speaker 2>to be advantageous, but it's a very look.

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<v Speaker 1>We need things like that, just like we need the

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<v Speaker 1>Glein mac Swell testimony, not because they're necessarily telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>But it gives an insight to their mindset, and it

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<v Speaker 1>gives other like for instance, you know he started that

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<v Speaker 1>interview talking about the relationship with David Rockefeller, right actually

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<v Speaker 1>in that same New York Times piece that I discussed

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<v Speaker 1>with you earlier with Douglas Lease and Stanley Pottinger. The

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of it is that meeting with David Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 1>and being brought into the Trilateral Commission. Now we know

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<v Speaker 1>he was part of the Trilateral Commission. Nobody at that

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<v Speaker 1>point knew he had a personal relationship with David Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 1>until you know, you saw that Epstein interview or read

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<v Speaker 1>this article. A lot of people don't know this about Rockefeller.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of became the face of the Rockefellers and

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<v Speaker 1>globalism because they sent him off to Naval intelligence. Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 1>was like a meticulous guy. In fact, Rock had his

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<v Speaker 1>own Dewey decimal card system for everybody that he met.

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<v Speaker 1>Go look this up. It's really interesting. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>Rockefeller archives in New York, they're slowly releasing some of

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<v Speaker 1>these but not all of them. In fact, you can

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<v Speaker 1>see where he meets Henry Kissinger for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>and Kissinger gets on board and it's nineteen fifty fourth

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<v Speaker 1>the initial Builderberg meeting, and of course a Kissinger will

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<v Speaker 1>become the head of Rockefeller Associates and be extremely influential

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<v Speaker 1>up until his death less than what like half a

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<v Speaker 1>decade ago. I mean, this guy's still meeting Trump while

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<v Speaker 1>he's in office. So Rockefeller really really smart guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super interested to know and see one day what

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<v Speaker 1>the Jeffrey Epstein index cards has because it has to

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<v Speaker 1>exist because Rockefeller is that dude. Everybody go look him

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<v Speaker 1>up and go look up his little card system people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a really interesting aspect of the entire interview.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was just so weird, bro, Like he

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<v Speaker 2>win so many different directions. I was talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>we want to be able to measure the unexplainable things

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<v Speaker 2>with science and like that he's always interested in, like

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<v Speaker 2>basically a cult and esoteric things.

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<v Speaker 3>They were trying to put explain the unexplainable. Many things

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<v Speaker 3>approached the wall, or in his inclculus, approached the limit,

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<v Speaker 3>but never really reached it. So he said, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to reach it. We can do lots

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<v Speaker 3>of the mathematics. As if it was so close it

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<v Speaker 3>was almost there and we could do lots of mathematics

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<v Speaker 3>almost being at the limit. And this is really important, Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>for today because most of the science up until today

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<v Speaker 3>was things that are starting to approach the limit.

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<v Speaker 1>Interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish it would release the rest of it. We

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<v Speaker 2>need those other hours. I would love to hear what

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<v Speaker 2>else and what other things they got into in the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I want I've been I was an advocate

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<v Speaker 1>before they came out. In fact, we know a couple

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<v Speaker 1>things that he says in that interview or interviews that

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<v Speaker 1>have not been public. For instance, Steve Bannon several years ago, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be five six years ago now, it was

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<v Speaker 1>after Jeffrey Epstein's death, but he put out a trailer

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<v Speaker 1>called The Monsters, and in that trailer he says to

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein, you have an island. Jeffrey Epstein corrects him

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<v Speaker 1>and says a couple islands. So a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>know about Little Saint James. Apparently he has another island,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Steve Bannon replies, islands of Doctor Morrell, and

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein replies, that's correct. Now for those that don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what that is, a reference to the Island of Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Moreau is a novel turned into a movie where they

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<v Speaker 1>are doing human animal genetic testing and experimentation. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially you know from these files that he is obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with transhumanism, that he is talking to people like Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Branson and others about cloning, cloning himself in particular using

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<v Speaker 1>these type of clones for spare parts. And he's in

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<v Speaker 1>contact I believe it was with Ben gertzel Is, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who's talking to him about a list

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<v Speaker 1>of those in the transhumanist community in which he should

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<v Speaker 1>keep his eye on, including people like Aubrey De Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Ray Kurzwell, and somebody that I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes ad nausea when I talk about this subject, Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Rothblatt formerly Martin Rothblatt. So yeah, I need to see

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of those videos. You know, you just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that Epstein's talking about outdated math and

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<v Speaker 1>sounding like David Ike when he's talking about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of reality. Right, So now I was also taking like,

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<v Speaker 1>forget about just the Federal Reserve stuff and the FIAT

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<v Speaker 1>money stuff and sounding like Ron Paul no later out

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<v Speaker 1>of the thing when he's talking about the nature of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>He sounds about his David Ike as David Ike gets.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was really shocked about, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>are these people secretly really interested into this stuff? It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seems like it seems like these super uber

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<v Speaker 2>rich people also are really into the occult, really into

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<v Speaker 2>what is that transmutation or transfiguration and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're probably funding it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Epstein had his claws in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the areas of not just transhumanism but AI itself, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you see the relationships with Chomsky at MIT, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was not the only relationship at MIT. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that was narrative management. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's in these emails not just talking about artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>but agis and essentially for those that don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>is that that's becoming the vernacular now artificial general intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's talking about ad nauseum twenty twelve, two and

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