Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been covering this one for years. I mean,
when did it come on your radar, this whole Epstein story.
Speaker 2: I think I heard this first from a Ben Swann
report on RT I want to say, maybe around twenty sixteen,
and then you know, his name eventually got tied to
the four Chan information coming out that would be eventually
to Zazgait whatever we can or can't say here, but
you know what I'm talking about, that morphed into the
disinformation operation known as q chan oru q q tar
stuff on four Chan, I should say. And so it
was around that time that I first heard about him,
and then Alex covered it pretty significantly for a good while.
In regard to the Lalita Express, which was the first,
I think, big mainstream news story that broke with high
profile people, celebrities, academics, CEOs flying on the planes and
reportedly being compromised, you know, in the Mile High Club.
So that was what everybody kind of thought it was originally,
and then it was a lot of Clinton information and
it was kind of connected adjacent to Wiki leagues back
in twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen, So that was my first
exposure to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, along to Watson, was the first person I ever
saw cover that. I think he did a video way back,
even before maybe Epstein was even arrested, like talking about
talking about Epstein Islands. So yeah, a few people were
onto this early early days.
Speaker 3: But yeah, guys, So.
Speaker 1: We're going to be going through all of that, the
history of it, who is Jeffrey Epstein, and then some
of the more nefarious things. We're going to get into
the banking, the Rothschild's connection, the connection with old school
money Rothschilds, and then new tech. We're going to get
into his obsession with eugenics and Peter Nygard and the
use of what would you call it, the use of
plood plasm i board at stem cells for the fountain
of youth. It's all, and then we're going to get
into the theory of could Jeffrey still be alive? So
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tend to put this one on the back burner. So Jay,
let's start off with just who is Jeffrey Epstein? Because
I think one of the things that this far these
files have actually elucidated for people is that Jeffrey Epstein
is not some little guy who was a porn and
even I thought that for a little while, maybe he
was just some guy who's been used as a pawn.
He's not very powerful himself, and he's maybe a fall guy,
and there are much bigger people than him. But for
those wondering who exactly is he and what role does
he play in this whole entire international trafficking, espionage, blackmail organization.
Speaker 2: I think the best description is that he's kind of
like a Bond villain, but not at the top of
the pyramids, So he's kind of a mid level fixer
consultant in my estimation, would be an organized crime PhD.
There are actually people in the world organized crime and
cartels and whatnot who do specialize in the ability to
network and finance and organize things. For example, one thing
that helps to understand Epstein is to understand the world
of the mafia and organized crime, and I've done a
lot of research in that subject over the years. And
on my stream right before this, we were covering an
interview with Mayor Lansky, and a lot of people don't
know that the famous gangster Mayor Lanski was actually organizing
and helping Lucky Liciano to set up the structure of
the Sicilian mafia in America. So it's actually the Tony
Sopranos that would kind of go to people like Sydney
Korshak and Mayer Lansky to get the overall structure the
connections and networking. In fact, even Murder Inc. The famous
Guild of Assassins, was originally part of the Jewish mafia
and then sort of combined with the Sicilian mafia. So
if we understand the way that those kinds of criminal
networks work, it's very insightful. I think in the understanding
Epstein's international criminal network. It has a very interlinked, powerful
global structure that maybe a lot of mafias only have
in a region. So I think expand Maya Lansky internationally,
and you really understand Epstein. But I think you're right
that he's not the top of the pyramid. There's certainly
people that seem to be in many emails giving him orders,
giving him permission to assassinate people, et cetera. But he
was very powerful because the second day, some of the
messages and emails that came out included an organizing like
a planning, a day planner that had him meeting about
fifteen heads of state throughout the entire world, fifteen different countries.
And you know you're not doing that unless you have
a lot of power. We have him one month before
Zelensky comes to power. He's in Ukraine. He flies over
there after emails with are in a d Rothschild saying
we can profit from this chaos and decibilization. We're able
to go in and buy it up. We see him
asking to actually Zelenski, asking to get the attention of
Epstein for consultation, advice and purposes. So he seems to
be kind of like a fixer consultant, international blow field figure.
But he's not at the top of the pyramid. Certainly
there's people above him, and people have way more wealth
than him. But he's definitely liaisoning and being a league
gate of the Rothschilds and perhaps Israel at various degrees.
Speaker 3: He's consulting Iwod.
Speaker 2: Barock, former Prime Minister of Israel, on how to get
Peter Thiel into the web, to get him on on
the on their side, as well as other companies, corporations
and so it's it's pretty much all of the worst
stuff that you could think of, but it's all now verified.
Speaker 3: But it's not new.
Speaker 2: This is something that people should understand that I've really
been hammering home this week is you know, we've covered
historical texts that deal with the history of blackmail, honey traps, sexpionage.
That's always gone on. It's just that I think nowadays,
with tech and sophistication in terms of globalization, it's a
lot more integrated and a lot more scientific, believe it
or not, in terms of how they do even organize
crime and these operations.
Speaker 3: So it's all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you think sort of sits above him.
Then if you're saying that he's like taking orders from people,
is it people like Leslie Wexnor or is it the
governments and the intelligence agencies that he's working for?
Speaker 2: Great question. You know, in the case of Maxwell Maxwell
think is a really important person to look to. Robert
I'm saying because Robert Maxwell was the front for the
Rothschilds back during the Cold War, at least one of
the fronts. He was part of a publishing empire with
Maxwell Publishing and pergam On Press.
Speaker 3: In fact, they actually published that.
Speaker 2: Global elite text Changing Images a Man that we covered
a few weeks ago on Alex Jones that got a
lot of traction. That was published by Epstein, but I
mean by Maxwell. But Maxwell was part of a cutout
of an empire of billions of dollars of publishing. But
he was also really working for British intelligence. Initially everybody
thought and he was, and he was brought into that
and sort of coached by Victor Rocheld, And Victor Rochell
was famously British Intelligence. But a lot of people even
years ago were writing books in terms of the espionage world,
speculating that in the Cambridge spy Ring case where there's
this suspicious, mysterious missing person of the Cambridge spy Ring
And for those that don't know, during the Cold War,
this is a bunch of British intelligence agents who famously
flipped and affected to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 3: And by the way, most of them or all of
them were actually.
Speaker 2: Gay, So they had a lot of intelligence agents who
famously flipped into I'm hearing myself. Oh sorry, yeah so
based so long story short, The reason as matters is
that those British intelligence operators like Kim Philby and Guy
Burgess and MacLean and Blunt, they flipped and became Soviets
and went to Russia because they had actually been blackmailed
by unknown Soviets and intelligence operatives.
Speaker 3: But people have speculated that.
Speaker 2: That person doing the blackmail might have actually been Lord
Rothschall this whole time. We don't know for sure, but
it seems like it. And another indicator that that might
be the case is that the person who really coached
and trained just Laine and Robert was perhaps the Rothschild himself,
Lord Victor Rothchild out of the UK. So if that's
the case, then now we can understand that this is
an older operation that's just sort of copied and pasted
for the next generation. So just Layne and Robert, or
excuse me, just Laine and Epstein sort of take that over.
And so they bring Epstein in, right, So he's not
part of any blue blood Plant family. They bring that
up in the in the Bannon interview, you know, he
says he's just just a regular Jewish guy, but he's
recruited him because he seems to have certain talent and abilities.
It's still debated how mathematical and scientifically a savant he
really was. I get a lot of indications of being
a sued from that band an interview that he wasn't
actually as intelligent as he comes off, but he is
really skilled at networking, consulting, and crime. And there are
actual people that have the equivalent of PhDs in criminal organizations,
believe it or not.
Speaker 3: So I would say that's what he is.
Speaker 2: And when you look at Maxwell and the background, it's
a copy paste operation that suggests foreignhead's a state rath
Chelsen that I would say would be especially Massad for example.
I know we're not going to focus on that, but
that's relevant because of Maxwell. Again, because there was that
very very insightful email from Jeffrey that he's explaining the
reason that Robert Maxwell was assassinated was that while he
was working for British intelligence in the Massad, he was
also selling secrets and giving information.
Speaker 3: To the Soviets.
Speaker 2: So he's playing both sides to the Cold War, something
that I've highlighted for a long time, with people like
Armin Hammer and people like Lord Victor Rossfeld playing both sides. Well,
Maxwell apparently tried to do that, and he tried to
extort the Masaude for four hundred million pounds, and so
he had appointed himself as the attache without being asked
to do so, apparently for Israel to the Soviet Union,
and Israel resented that.
Speaker 3: So I think that played a theater exactly on.
Speaker 1: The water falling off the boat accidentally, right exactly.
Speaker 2: And so I think that those are indicators of people who,
you know, people in that higher billionaire, multi billion dollar class.
I think we're definitely above Epstein. Nobody really knows how
much money he had. Definitely Leslie Wexner plays a key
role in probably being above Epstein in these kinds of operations.
And and also remember Epstein was brought in originally through
Bill Barr of the oss and so this is an
oss CIA kind of early stage recruiting, bringing in grooming process.
But he also liaisons and works with other intelligence agencies too.
As whitney Web points out, he has multiple passports, which
again indicates most likely some sort of intelligence pedigree. And
now that the emails have come out, I think that's
one of percent confirmed.
Speaker 1: So what do you think it is about these new
emails that really specifically point to intelligence? Because before this
we had lots of associations with government figures. For example,
you had a whod Barak and his very close relationship
with him. You've obviously got Robert Maxwell who you mentioned before,
Gislaine obviously being his daughter. What is it about these
emails that really sort of highlight.
Speaker 2: That there's a lot The first thing I would say
is in terms of the background being brought into these
you know, certain schools and certain private academies and whatnot,
being groomed to then be put into Wall Street. One odd,
odd indicator is the fact that when he went to
bear Stearns and was involved in insider trading, his partner
Hoffman or Hops or whatever it is that that guy
went to jail, but Epstein did not get any trouble,
So I think that's a little suspicious. Maybe there was
some deal cut something like that. A lot of people
have called attention to that. And then it's sort of
immediately he's brought into just a scale of operations and
connections that just really don't make sense with the background
that he originally had. And then they seem to have
concocted a legend. And in the spy world, people that
have a shady background or made up background, it's called
a legend, which gives you the story of oh, I'm this,
I'm a money manager a hedge funds, I handle billions
of dollars, and that may or may not be true, right, so,
but it might be part of your back your background
cover or story. And then he's immediately connected in the
circles of famous weapons traffickers like a non Koshogi. And
it's a little side Notekshogi's yacht was also set up
with surveillance equipment was involved in a famous case of
bringing in underage I think Pakistani prostitutes back in the
eighties or nineties. Whitneywab highlights that in the first couple
of chapters. But so those connections and associations right away,
having multiple passports right away. When Acosta, the lawyer from
Florida was involved in this case, he was originally told
when he was looking into this, let Epstein go, he's intelligence.
So we already had a lot of these indicators coming out.
And we have arivn Minashi, who was a former Massaud operative,
telling many many news outlets over the last several years
that obviously, of course Epstein was Massad. So you've got
a lot of testimonies, a lot of evidences. But I
think now that the emails and the files have come out,
we have everything from Epstein giving money to the IDF,
Epstein essentially directly working many many times, even mainstream media
reporter that hud Barack visited his mansion dozens of times,
sixteen maybe something like that in New York, very close
to associations working with the ihod Bart. We've all heard
this phone call, I think now about how to get
Peter Thiel involved. I mean, everything about this just totally
I think screams. You know that there's the band in
the changes where he says all roads lead not to China,
but the tel Aviv.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can just keep going on and on.
Speaker 2: And it also again bears to all the similarities and
patterns of the Maxwell operation. And little side note, my
buddy Mark Hackard, he's an analyst of espionage history and whatnot,
a translator, and he translated a KGB colonel's Cold War
era assessment of Maxwell, and he put this up maybe
seven or eight years ago, and it was a really
fascinating take to see the Soviets attitude from their generals
and kernels as to what they understood Maxwell to be.
And they pictured him as a person trying to play
both sides of the Cold War right, and that they
thought he was selling secrets to the Soviets as he
was trying to blackmail Western intelligence and the Masade. And
that's exactly what happened. So ironically, the Soviet account of
Maxwell seems to have been vindicated and correct here as well.
And that's succording Jeffrey's testament, which you know, perhaps just
Jeffrey was lying or he didn't know, but that seems
to make the most sense. Again, that indicates I think,
you know, high level Israeli operation to a degree.
Speaker 3: But also CIA as well.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't leave that out because I think, as Mike
Ben showed in several emails, Epstein was using you know,
former CIA planes, flying them for many decades without any problem.
He also seemed to have Department of Justice or state
department I forgetting Whitney Webb has a chapter on this.
Speaker 3: He stayed at a place.
Speaker 2: An apartment owned by or that had that was a
Department of State like property. Why was he allowed to
stay at the property and to do things seemingly at
an international state level even after being, you know, a
known criminal. So I think a lot of those that
a lot of that above the law stuff also suggests
intelligence capabilities. And again you can with the relationship of
Western intelligence through the Five Eyes and this kind of stuff,
like you can be multiple to work for multiple agencies,
so to speak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing I did notice about his interview's post
arrest was that he always seemed very unconcerned with things,
and then after two thousand and nine, it's just pretty
much business as usual. I mean, he's charged in two
thousand and nine, he's put on the sex offenders list,
and then after that it really does seem like business
as usual again. But one of the questions I always
do have is if he is an intelligence agent of
some sort, and if he does have these deep entrenched
ties with US and Israeli intelligence, and if he's a
protected man or a made man in that sense, why
did he get arrested in the first place? Like, how
could it possibly be allowed that he would even be highlighted?
If he's got all these big intelligence connections, why are
we here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Also, I think British intelligence is an important angle too,
because a lot of times they're overlooked because people think
about only the CAA or they only think about Israeli intelligence.
But British intelligence is a key player in this as well.
In fact, British intelligence set up the American CIA, and
of course I had a role as well in helping
to establish the Masaude as Israel was established out of
a British colony. So all of these things are interlinked
with the special relationship between the US and the British intelligence.
And that was my grad work, by the way, was
studying British intelligence stuff. So that's that's why I like
to bring that in. And remember Epstein very early on
was going and hanging out with Princess d He's very
close to several of the royals, especially Prince Andrew. So
I think British intelligence is also important to understand in
this relationship as well, because they are a big player.
But it's all three of those you know, atlanticist five
eyes networks together, and I think the reason he got
caught is probably because something this big, scale, this industrial
in terms of its just scope and so many years,
there's going to be a lot of victims and at
some point, you know, some people are going to come forward.
I think that's really what originally sort of began to
you know, undo the sweater, to quote Weezer. When the
sweater's undone, you keep pulling and pulling and pulling. Eventually
it's like you can't just kill everybody and cover everything up.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like Nexium.
Speaker 2: Nexium had a very similar kind of elite billionaire ron
Feman style structure that eventually so many people were wrapped
up in this that when you start having the daughters
of elite families even being offered up to Epstein, which
I thought was pretty wild. I wouldn't have expected the
you know, Royalty of the UK and EU to be
so sort of flippant with you know, give me parenting
advice for my child, and here's here's my daughter Sophia,
here's our daughter of Bulgaria or whatever, just trying to
Denmark or whatever. That was pretty surprising, But I think
eventually that you know, industrial scale stuff. It just there's
so many people involved that it's too difficult to not
have whistleblowers and women coming forward.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that I'm really interested in
is the banking connection here. It appears as though Epstein
was talking a lot about banking in the interview that
he did with Bannon. For example, he's talking about fractional
reserve banking and if only people understood how this actually works.
He has this connection with the Rothschilds. In one email
where he's speaking to Peter Teel, he's saying that I
represent the Rothschilds. Now that could be interpreted multiple ways.
First of all, the way I would interpret it is
that he's obviously manages assets, so he manages assets of
the Rothschilds, and he's trying to speak to Peter Teel
in a way that Peter Teel doesn't need money, but
he would need access. So he's maybe saying I represent
the Rothschilds. I'll give you access to all of this
old money. All of this old money is trying to
find a way into new money, into tech. How did
you interpret that, particularly the relationship with the Rothschilds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think combined with the other emails that he's
having with Orienta de rothschild and other statements about you know,
the twenty five million dollars con tract he had with
the raw Childs, you have an older family, as you
said that that is running things even two hundred, three
hundred years ago on the basis of advanced intelligence. And
I think a lot of people don't think about intelligence
and espionage in the modern world. Actually coming out of
banking in academia, they think about it like it's James
Bond its spies, it's going around fucking bitches.
Speaker 3: No, it's not mainly that.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of that, but it's mainly high
finance and understanding human nature and compromising people. That's a
huge part of what it is. It's also media and
just information. Sure, but as Epstein explains early on in
the band An interview, he was recruited spotted ironically by
the same people that spotted and recruited Brazenski. And in
the case of the Trilateral Commission, this is a higher
level commission, kind of out of the Council Foreign Relations
that the rock Feller set up in the nineteen twenties.
The Trilateral was set up specifically by kiss under Fort
Brezenski to run in the nineteen seventies because Brezenski was
so impressed with Kissinger, was so impressed with Brazenski's book
Between Two Ages and how well he understood the technocratic era,
so they created the steering committee for him to be on.
And that's ironically what Epstein says. He was recruited into
and put in the steering committee of Trilateral in nineteen
ninety because of the Kissinger family and David Rockfeller himself
really were impressed with, according to Epstein, his ability to
understand high finance and to explain it to them. That's
a very key thing there, and so knowing the fractional
reserve banking aspect, which is basically just lending out banks
lending out more than they have on reserves. And if
you read Carol Quigley's Tragy and Hope, he basically admits
as a cfr apologist that Western banking for several hundred
years has been based on that sort of Rothchild model.
That's what the federal reserve is based on, is the
idea of putting out more gold notes than you actually
have in the reserves. So that's why it's a fractional reserve.
You only needed a fraction of the reserves to match
what you're putting out, so you can lend out sometimes
even ten twenty times what you have on reserve, and
then you charge interest on these loans, and then you
can buy real assets and real real wealth gold, et cetera.
So that's kind of the scam that ironically quickly talks about.
Speaker 1: So just quickly, how does if he's an apologist for this,
how does he if you had to steal man his
point for why that's a good thing, fractional reserve banking,
how would you do that?
Speaker 2: Well, Quigley's book, he's a military historian, so he's not
primarily interested in banking. But he just thinks that I
think that an international democratic the way he describes it
at the end of the book as an apologist, he says,
an international capitalist democratic order is for him, the greatest
hope in response to a century of two World wars
and a Cold War. So he thinks the tragedy of
the century is the wars. The hope is democratic capitalism.
I know that sounds kind of faking gay, but you
know he wrote that in the nineteen sixties, and so
you know that is what he says. At the end
of the day, he's like, I don't have to steal
man it because that's what he says. He says, Look, yeah,
I'm an apologist for this. He even says that in
the book. He says, I was permitted access to the
CFR archives, and I am defending the position because I
think this is the best hope for the modern world.
It's not going to be with a traditionalist Russia, he says,
And it's not going to be with a traditional Catholic
access power like Austro Hungarian empire or something like that.
The future will be something akin to a international democratic
capitalist order. So that's what he thinks, or that's what
he says at least. But and of course he was
Bill Clinton's mentor and again a high level of CFR
historian and archivist. And what I'm getting at is that
that's ironic because I didn't actually expect Epstein to have
been recruited into the Trilateral Commission. I would have thought
he was more of a you know, just doing more
organized crime type stuff. But apparently he was definitely higher
up than most people expected, and that would put him
kind of again not I wouldn't say he's like I mean,
Brezenski is definitely a very intelligent person who's an open technocrat.
He's you know, telling the CIA what to do under Carter.
He's basically creating the Mujahadin and al Qaeda. That's literally
what Brezenski's known for. So I don't think it was
as high tier as that in terms of power structure.
But he's a like a Brazenski or a Kissinger to
some degree because he's on their steering committees.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, all right, so his relationship with the Rothschilds.
Let's just first of all, actually go back in history
a little bit and understand why it's important, because I
think everybody's maybe watched a few videos about the Rothschilds
and the international banking syndicate that they sort of run,
and how they they came from a family right where
the father gave an inheritance to the kids or that
he said the kids around the world, and they all
made banks in various different countries and then all sort
of worked together, and they've been very much involved. Were
they involved in the French Revolution, they would definitely involved
in the creation of the state of Israel and the
log one end two fund.
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 2: I mean, quickly has a whole chapter on the funding
of the French Revolution, and he says it was he
says Jewish and Swiss banks that were Protestant, but he
doesn't say which. However, out of the French Revolution, the
Rothschilds did become the primary members of the French Central Bank.
So this becomes what's called the Paribas banking system. So
p A r I bis is the Rothscheld banking networking system.
So you're absolutely correct that the original forefather sent his
sons out throughout Europe and said go set it up,
you know, in these different countries. And ironically that, according
to some authors on this topic, that appears to be
the same model that they did in the US as well,
because people, a lot of times normy historians think, oh, well,
there was no Rothschild presence in the United States at
least not until the modern era, but people of that
actually dug into this, and there's a lot of theory
that JP Morgan and the early Morgan bankers of the
eighteen hundreds were actually up front for the roth Child's
and I think there is significant evidence to suggest that.
Speaker 1: So I think because they that they sort of died
out over time. Isn't it that there was some conflict
in the family and then eventually the Rothschilds didn't have
as much power, But you're saying that they actually had
fronts for their family banking dynasty.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the perryboss system lasted for a while, it
didn't endure. But some people think that there's also shadow banking,
And ironically Epstein seems to have mentioned this here and there,
And that's an element to where because a lot of
these banks that are super secretive, there's things that we
don't know even to this day. For example, one of
the books that my publisher just put out about the
Bank for National Settlements, which is one of these high,
high tier posts World War two. It's the sort of
bank for central bank for central banks, like they have
classified documents and no one has seen. In fact, there
was just some declassified documents a few years ago that
people went and researched about the BIS and learned about
its relationship to the Bank of England. So, because there's
shadow banking and there's there's even classifications about international banking
for many years, like, there's a lot of things that
we don't know, So there could be hidden wealth, shadow
wealth that we don't know about. And that's what leads
a lot of people to say, Oh, the Rothschild's never
lost money in but it's still I mean, either way,
it's possible that they did, you know, lose some pedigree
over time. But there was also some articles maybe eight
ten years ago, even in mainstream media that the American
Rothschild Banking Empire, or scuing the American Rockefeller Banking Empire,
had joined forces with the Rothschild Banking Empire. So even
if they did lose some pedigree, I mean, they're still
very important, still very powerful, and they still apparently have
no problem you know, openly engaging in the same types
of activities that Epstein was involved in and networking with him,
and so in other words, we don't really know, but
we can look at some indicators of possibilities.
Speaker 1: Right, So then moving forward here, do you think that
Epstein's relationship with the Rothschilds was more just managing assets
or do you think that it's more of a relationship
of them pulling the levers of what he's doing and
him working for them.
Speaker 2: I think it's the latter, because you know, again, you know,
going back to for example, like I said earlier, the
origins of modern intelligence, like you know, when they have
that famous story about Nathan Rothchell or see me about
the Rotel situation in the UK when he had an
advanced intelligence on Waterloo. They brag about that in pages
forty eight forty nine of the book The Morton Authorized
Biography that yeah, this is a true story. We used
intel to know ahead of time how to trade and
to buy up when the stock market crashed so forth.
So that's essentially what we see. Fast forward turned years
later and you've got you know, these emails between him
and Oriana talking about the exact same strategy, the exact
same model. So I think that he that's again like,
you don't have to be trained by the CIA at
Langley to be like doing these kinds of operations and
networking for intelligence. You could be an asset. You could
be just a you know, Israeli intelligence. They have the
idea of the Katsa or the syoneme. You know, these
are also possibilities as well. Uh, you don't have to
be you know, James Bond to be doing this kind
of stuff. And there's also corporate espionage, there's private espionage.
Those things exist too. So the Rothchild model is apparently,
you know, banking and intelligence is their connection interpol if
I recall has I think comes out of Rothchild? Uh,
intelligence networking and many media outlets, was it AP or
is it The Economist is a Rothchild magazine and then
one of the big outlets it was the AP or
if it's United Press or one of those is also
has its origins in the in the Rothchild networks. But
so they really figured this out for banking, that having
an intelligence network is the way to really do it.
And by the way, David Rockefeller has a chapter in
memoirs where he says, I learned in my intelligence time
in the military how to set up the networks in
the structuring for my banking empire. So they take the
intelligence civil service and they translated into the private sphere.
And by the way, that's exactly what Epstein consults ihod
barak On. He says, I'm going to teach you how
to go from civil service, public service into taking that information,
that knowledge and putting it into private intelligence and private
service and becoming a consultant. You can consult, you know,
he says, for millions of dollars a year just consulting people.
So long story short, Yeah, I think it is more
so the latter. And again it's difficult to know because
so much of banking is kind of private and proprietary
and secretive. And even the two biggest central secret banks
in the world, like the Vatican Bank or the Bank
for National Settlements, I mean, there's super secretive, but there's
so much we don't even know about what they're up to.
And they do that by design, right, That's the real
secret society is these international banking clicks, and that's why
they can fund both sides of conflicts. They need to
be international and above nation state purview. And if you're
going to fund criminal operations or black ops or whatever like,
you don't want congressional oversight, you don't want inquiries into
that money. You need these kind of super secretive banks.
And the way Epstein even describes this surprised me. He
was describing how the Vatican Bank works to Larry Summers,
who is a Clinton era banking vulture. You would have
thinked that you would think that a guy come out
of Harvard would know how the Vatican Bank works. But
apparently Epstein had to explain to him that this is
the greatest secret bank. It's perfect for money laundering and
you know, funneling things to black ops. It's because it's
super secret. And the BIS is the same way.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So we mentioned before about the email with him and Teal,
and then I think, I think offstream, you told me
that this is like reminiscent or as CANi Zones would say,
reminiscent of the way in which the Rothschilds have done
things over over the last few hundreds.
Speaker 2: That's when you are all remembering, right, amminitionent, remember all things. Yeah,
I'm sorry, Yeah, listen, don't be too macaber Okay, Now.
Speaker 1: The topics are dark, these are these are these are
macup topics, dude, So how does that link up? If
you're looking at the way in which the Rothschilds have
done things over the past few hundred years, and then
the sort of maneuvering that Epstein's doing there to try
and get into the new money tech world.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Great, great point because as we said, say with Waterloo
or the way that Quigley's chapter on French banking and
the Perry Boss system describes it as that it's intimately
connected to intelligence. And if you want a more modern,
updated version of this, which perfectly applies to Epstein, watch
Oliver Stone's movie Wall Street, because you have the Charlie
Sheen character, Bud Fox, who goes to Wall Street. He's
from a middle class working family. He wants to make
it big. He wants to get out of the small town.
He's going to be a multimillionaire. And he thinks if
he can be like Gordon Gecko, you know, the Michael
Douglas Viper Trader character, he can get out of it.
And what he learns is very perceptive for Stone to
put this in the film. What he learns is that
everything that Michael Douglas is teaching him is the opposite
of what he thought that world was. He thought if
you just worked hard, paid attention to the data, made
the calls, you know, watched your computer screens, whatever, that
you would be a great trader. And actually, Gordon Gecko says,
you idiot, It's about insider knowledge and advanced knowledge. That's
how you make your money. You get dirt on people,
you do that, that's the way to the top. And
it sort of blows the mind of you know, Bud
Fox because it requires them eventually to turn on his
own family and their business.
Speaker 3: So Wall Street's good to see that.
Speaker 2: And that's really the model I think that the rosterilt
figure out a long time ago, is that, you know,
do you want to get ahead of the game, you
want to know where to put money?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Epstein has a couple of emails joking about that where
he's like, yeah, we you know, short trade certain stocks
and we leave that to the goyam and they can
deal with the real he says, they can deal with
the real world. We have the insider world. That was
a very insightful email there, because that's exactly what we're
talking about. So banking is more close to intelligence than
the James Bond stuff, although there's a lower level of
that kind of stuff going on here.
Speaker 1: Just quickly, Yeah, when he's talking about the inside of stuff,
can you just explain what that means a little bit better.
So they are doing all of the dirty work, and
they're sort of like controlling and manipulating the market, if
you will. And then other people like the Goiam they say,
are like the ones who are invested in the stocks
and buying and selling in certain points and everything is
is that what they're talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for example, just coming off the top of
my head, like, if there's going to be a chaos
or conflict in a region, you know that's going to
disrupt obviously the economics of that region. So for example, Ukraine,
when the Ukraine conflict popped off, you know, it wasn't
too long until I mean the conflict popped off obviously
with my don and all that. But by the time
of Zelensky, if you remember, there was that clip whard
Zolensky was.
Speaker 3: Like what they'll tell you everybody in the West Bleadbrook,
all of you companies come to Ukraine great to buy things. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's an example where in the Epstein emails we
get this impression that he's constantly sort of scanning to
see where the next conflict zones might be so that
they can get in ahead of the conflict and be
ready to you know, buy things up short the market,
whatever it is, say, based on the resources or the
you know, the grain that comes out of that U
area or the one of the really insightful emails on
this was the Somali email. That was crazy because way
before we had all these migrants in the West, Epstein
seems to have been aware of a coming Somalia you know,
desabilization chaos operation where he said, we can get in there,
get in early, grab the resources. Another insight into this
is Hillary's letter or she wrote an essay for the
Brookings Institute, which is a big high level thing thing.
This was back when everybody was talking about Hillary's paid
a play scandal that you had these world leaders Saudis
and others were putting money into Hillary's campaign as they
paid a play scam where when she went into some
country like Libya, uh, and then they divide up the gold,
then the people who donated to her campaign would get
their cut basically.
Speaker 3: So that's another angle of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look up Hillary's a little paper she
wrote for Brookings and then it came out same thing
in her in the wiki leagues, Hillary's emails, and there's
an Epstein email basically confirming the same thing about Libya
that when we go in we can get Goadafi's gold.
He has I figured what they said, you know, two
billion dollars worth of gold stashed up. Will use the US.
So they basically use the US government, the stupidity of
the American public and patriotism to get them on board
with these foreign ventures that are actually about, you know,
gaining the land and the resources and the precious rare
earth minerals in these regions.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, one of the things that I'm super
interested in. I don't know, is there anything else that
you wanted to touch on in terms of this whole
rothstyle Child's connection and the old money new money thing,
because soon I want to move on to this eugenics program.
But anything else you've got in regards to this.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that in regard to the connection that not
many people have called attention to, other than myself is
the Vatican Bank that knows so much about and his
close connection with John Paul the Second, not just by
the way allegedly staying in the Vatican for a period
of time and then consulting John Paul on various architectural
features which we know Epstein was very into tile and
architecture for whatever reason, and structural compounds that have tunnels,
by the way, but he also says another email that
he had been gifted some ceiling piece from John Paul
the Second. We know he was at a John Paul
the Second audience where he and just Lane received a blessing.
So I think there's significant connections there that do make
a clear close relationship with John Paul the Second. Now
I'm not saying that we know that John Paul was
involved in anything per se, but that there was this
close relationship I think is verifiable. And the people running
point to sort of disarm this argument or are full
of it. Most of the arguments are totally bull crap.
But the reason I bring that up is that it's
not accidental that he has a deep insight into the
workings of the Vatican Bank, because he seems to have
that close relationship with John Paul the Second, and he
knows the inner workings of why benedit the sixteenth step
down and had to do with the Vatican Bank, which
is again, if you know from Operation Gladio and the
lectures that we've done from multiple books, from multiple different
political perspectives on Gladie. We can absolutely confirm that that
was a oss CIA operation. But again, who are the
papal bankers since the eighteen hundreds? Officially on record the
roth Charles, and this is well known, its admitted public
historical fact. I'll way back to eighteen thirty two and
then loans all the way up into the late eighteen
hundreds and then presumably still having that close relationship, which
is why it makes perfect sense that as a raw
Child representative he would be knowing and her workings of
the Vatican Bank because the Rothchilds have a close relationship
to the Vatican Bank.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I don't know anything about the Vatican Bank.
I'm not even gonna lie I dodn't even know that
there was a Vatican Bank. And I actually want to
pick your brains a little bit more about this now.
But guys, we are going to be reading out some
super chats if they do come in. Any questions that
you guys have got for Jay, if you did want
to do that after this topic, we'll read them out,
So get him in if you'd like. But Jay, Vatican Bank,
what actually what are we talking here?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: Well, certainly all churches and religious institutions have some form
of of banking accounts or something like that. So let
me be very clear on what I'm talking about. I'm
not talking about a religious institution, you know, getting donations
or having money or something like that. I'm saying a specific,
unique bank that is international, that is the Vatican's bank
called the Institute for Religious Works. And so the inter
Religious Works, by the way, has been riddled by constant
scandals for many, many decades, many many years, the most
famous of which of recent times is the Roberto Calvi
case and the connection to the P two mafia. And
this is what led to the death of not just
Roberto Calviy, but many people think John Paul the First
and a host of other people in bankers throughout throughout Italy.
And this is in regard to what's called Operation Gladio
and the Bank of Dembrosio scandal, which was part of
the Vatican Banks network scandal.
Speaker 3: So long story short, because.
Speaker 2: The Vatican Bank was an international bank, and because the
Vatican articularly at the time of the Cold War, so
right after World War Two, Bill Donovan, James Jesus Engleton
and William Colby three very important CIOs s and CIA
figures who were all Roman Catholic. By the way, they
set up these very closer relationships through working at the
Rome desk in the case of Colby and Engleton with
the Vatican. And so Vatican has its own secret service,
its own intelligence operation, and it has its own bank.
And because the Communists were beginning to win elections and
getting popular in the Cold War in Italy, the CIA so, well,
we don't want that, you know, happening in Italy, and
the Vatican obviously agreed, and so there was this alliance
that was made. This is all public, this isn't conspiracy theory,
because the Vatican wanted help to help so that the
Christian Democratic Party could win the elections and not the Communists.
Speaker 3: So that's what.
Speaker 2: Fords the original connection, and those CIA epartists said, well, look,
we're happy to do this, but we're going to need
the Vatican also to be on our side when we
need things from the Vatican. And that led to this
relationship between people like cord Meyer and other individuals who
would become famous CIA drug traffickers. That's how they set
up this relationship to have black budget money funneled through
the Vatican. Why because the Vatican is the world's most
secret bank next to the BIS, and it's not subject
to Italian laws or EU laws. It's its own independent
city state. So just like the Washington d C is
an independent city state within the United States, so likewise,
the Vatican is its own independent city state.
Speaker 3: It's not subject to.
Speaker 2: The Italian laws or to European laws, so as even
Epstein himself describes, which I thought. That's why I honed
in on that email so much, because so many of
the books that we've highlighted over the years, whether it's
Paul Williams or whether it's the God's Banker text which
is about robertal Khality and all this, all of that
was really vindicated I think in that Epstein email description
about the Vatican Bank.
Speaker 3: So this is all one percent real stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So did.
Speaker 3: I make I mean, I feel like I am I?
Am I putting out too much? Like? Am I not
explaining it? Well?
Speaker 2: Like am I just putting out too much names and
facts not to you? But I'm sending you there for
the sec of the audience.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's probably the audience probably gets it
better than I do.
Speaker 3: But I do. I do kind of get what you
at all. No, no, no no.
Speaker 1: But I did say to you I kind of want
to like I I get the things, but connecting the
dots is the hard part sometimes. And that's why I
really wanted to talk to you today because the dot connecting,
like you have all of the individual stories, but it's
sort of in its own little factions.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, the way that, according to Paul Williams,
is a gladiobook and he was an FBI consultant, so
he's not really some sort of like Weld conspiracy. He's
a Catholic historian guy who consulted the FBI all the
way back to the late two thousands on organized crime
and al Qaeda. I've got we lectured on his book
on al Qaida a few months ago, but a book
on Operation Gladio in the Vatican Bank scandals. And again
there's many other books that we've covered too, but his
is particularly I think instructive because he's a Catholic, so
he's not, like, you know, coming at this from some
vendetta against the Romancolic Church or something. And he's not
a conspiracy theorist. He's just sort of looking at the
data and information, and as Gladio became more and more public.
What happened was in the nineteen nineties, they didn't know
what to call it, but they knew that there were
these stay behind networks that were operating throughout Europe that
were originally set up by the US and CIA in
case of a Soviet NKVD invasion. So if Stalin ever
moved into Europe, the purpose of Gladio supposedly was to
fend off a Stalinist invasion. So and that makes sense,
like obviously, you know, if I'm anti communists, that makes
sense why you would do that. And I'm not pro
Soviet at all or pro pro communist or pro socialist.
I'm just giving you the layout of why they were
doing this. The problem is that it also became an
internet a network, you can say, throughout Europe for corruption
and for chaos with these people who were trained in
terror cells and terror operations. But they also compromised many
high level Italian and Vatican officials and that came out
in European news in the nineteen nineties. They didn't know
that it was called Gladio yet, but this compromise list
was leaked and guess what same model as the type
of stuff that Epstein was doing. It's just that back
then with the P two Lodge, it was more so prostitutes.
There probably were some gay things going on, but they
were called Bunga parties. Yeah, you can just look up
Berlisconi's There were some scandals that came out ten years
ago about the same things going on with the Bunga
Bunga parties with Berlusconi and when they Epstein even invited
Berlosconi to the island and Berlisconi made a joke something
like the women who come to my parties actually want
to come back. I don't have to enslave them, he
said some joke like that, like I don't have to
traffick them because they actually like coming to my party.
So just look at Booga Booka parties with Brotherly Sconey
Brotherscony is on record as a P two Lodge member.
So he was part of the P two Lodge, which
is where they were recruiting people into Gladio. Long story short. Kissinger,
according to Paul Williams, was the mastermind of how to
put Lecchio Gelli, who was the head of the lodges,
the grand Master lodges p two lodges in Italy put
him in control of this operation together with Michael Sendona,
who was in charge of organized crime in Italy. They
worked together with the lodge and with organized crime to
bring people into Gladio in case of the Soviet invasion.
But what it ended up being was an entire government
being compromised in the sixties and seventies by Kissinger running
this operation. Now, who spots Brazinski and whose spots? Apparently
according to Epstein, for Rockefeller, Kissinger circles right. So they
did the same thing with Epstein putting him into this role,
same thing with Lechio Galli and Michelle Condona in Italy
to run a big compromise government control, shadow government operation.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's accidental if you read those books.
Speaker 1: So who do you think he had the closest relationship
with of all of the different agencies, because there's just
so many that are named to You've got obviously like
the Vatican, you've got the various different intelligence agencies, CIA, Massad,
the MI six, You've got the guy from the business,
the Emorti businessman that he's involved with. It seems like
he pretty much has his toes dipped in every single pond, right,
He's got his fingers in every single pie. So who
is he most close?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 2: He's definitely a high level operative and fixer for the
Western elite. So again he's up there hanging out. We
find out in the circles of Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brazenski.
Speaker 3: He's in those circles.
Speaker 2: So he's higher up than like you said, that we thought,
and that would mean that he's really probably you know.
Speaker 3: Up near the top, but not at the top.
Speaker 2: So that would mean he's probably a high level operative
for all of Western intelligence because he's working with Saudi's,
he's working with shakes. Like I said, at the beginning
of the second day, one of those emails came out
that he had planned to meet like fifteen heads of state,
and it's like, how are you doing all this without,
you know, approval above government. Now, what's something we always
talk about on my channel is that the people at
the steering committees, they're above people at the CAA. Okay,
people that run foundations. That's higher than being ACA section
chief or you know, some sort of an operative in
the field obviously or something like that, or handler.
Speaker 3: So this is above that. This is at the level.
Speaker 2: Of steering committee Builderberg type stuff, Davos type stuff. And
you saw that one email where he was saying, we
want to make Davos the new United Nations. United Nations
is too fake and gay, it doesn't really get anything done.
We want to put Davos in there. And he talks
a lot about Davos, and you know, and that's because
Davos was also a Kissinger project. Harvard research project was
the brainchild of Kissinger, and they collated this idea to
set up another one of these steering committees, kind of
like Bilderberg, but a little more public, with broader reach
and scope. And that's essentially what World Economic Form and
Davos was right.
Speaker 1: So forum that was started like nineteen seventy one, Klaus
Schwebright he started that. It was it was smaller back then.
But then, wasn't Kissinger more involved in the Club of Rome.
Wasn't he involved in that in the Club of Rome?
Or was he directly involved in the formation of the
Weld Economic Forum.
Speaker 2: He's darkly involved in WF. So it comes out of
Kissinger and Harvard research projects. So but no, I'm sure
Kissinger has a role in Club of Rome too, because
another key Rockefeller operative, Maurice Strong was one of the
key chairmen share people of of Rome. So you're noticing
pattern here of Like obviously David rock Filp is a
huge role, which we've said for many many years.
Speaker 3: I have this biography of the.
Speaker 2: Rock Collar family, right, they're authorized biography, and that biography
just tells everything, Like they were behind the Acumenist movement,
the National Council churches, the World Council churches, they were
behind setting up the CFR. They played a huge role
in setting up the United Nations. They donated the land,
so the UN played a huge role in setting up
the OSS and CIA. So they play a huge role.
They're big, massive, And one of their key recruits, also
out of intelligence, is Henry Kissinger, So a Kissinger had
a time and.
Speaker 3: Intelligence as well.
Speaker 2: He's brought in to kind of be this sort of
neo con operative for many many years for that family.
And I'm just pointing out that, like now a lot
of those things make more sense to me that it's
pointing to this sort of overarching oligarchical power structure that
runs the West, not the politicians. The politicians have a
very you know, minuscule degree of power, but up at
that level of the steering committee people, and I think
you could place the Royals up there pretty high as well.
Speaker 3: They do have a lot of power.
Speaker 2: But everybody points to that picture of like Lord Rothshall's
like pointing his finger in King Charles is like he's
putting his finger into his chest, like you're gonna do
what I say if you've seen that famous.
Speaker 3: Picture, So it makes sense. Yeah, they've had a huge
amount of power in the UK.
Speaker 2: I think the British Empire eventually became kind of a
cutout for them. And if you read even Tragiant Hope,
which is not at all interested in so much of
of the Rothschild stuff, he admits all kinds of stuff
about the Rothschilds, like the Suez Canal that was all
a Rothschild operation.
Speaker 3: They quickly basically admits.
Speaker 2: That what's his cecil Roads and the Roads Trust and
all the diamond operations that was de Beers, that was
all Rochel money.
Speaker 1: Too directly involved with the creation of the state of Israel.
Right the Balfour Declaration was written.
Speaker 2: In fact, according to even before Balfour, all the way
back in the eighteen sixties. According to their family history
and according to Moses Heass in this book Rum in Jerusalem,
they were buying land in the eighteen sixties. Oh shit,
So they had an idea to have Originally, according to Morton,
he says, the idea was to have just pilgrimage sites
that Jews could could visit. But eventually it became more
and more of a political thing because the political Zionists
like Heinweitzman and Theodore Hertzel were putting pressure on the
rothchildst and saying, hey, we need to actually get into politics.
It's not going to be just a religious pilgrimage site
because in the eighteen sixties and later on, they were
just kind of buying land for Jews to do pilgrimages.
And they were buying land from the Turkish sultans, right,
so it wasn't like they were just stealing the land
immediately from Palestinians. They were it from Turkish sultan's. But
it was called Palestine land, and in fact, all the
original Rothchild documents when they were by there, it was
called Palestine Land, like that's what it was called. So
this idea that it never exists simply not true, even
the Rothchild. There's even postcards that the Rothchild sent from Palestine.
Speaker 3: So long story short.
Speaker 2: They bought more and more land, and then pressure was
put on them by people like hivitesmen to make it
more political, and then eventually they got on board with
political Zionism at the time of Balfour. But Balfour didn't
actually accomplish much, and so you needed other conflicts that
actually led to the real establishment of the nation state of Israel.
And I think they weren't recognized utils right.
Speaker 1: So all of these powers that we're talking about, Yeah,
this is one thing that I do wonder with. Obviously,
all of the different intelligence agencies, the Vatican, the different
Arab nations that are becoming more and more powerful. Is
there some sort of like a common thread that unites
all of those guys in the sense they all worked
together in international banking. Or are they just factions that
just sort of operate the same way that removed from
one another.
Speaker 3: No, great question.
Speaker 2: It's the Atlanticist power block, or what's sometimes called the
Anglo American establishment. Now that term is not used to
castigate Anglo people. It's the older term that was used
in geopolitics during the time of what's called the Great Game.
So this is the battle between Russia and the West,
particularly Russia versus the UK. Right, So when the British
Empire was very powerful, one of their main rivals was
the Russian empirement and so the term out of the
Great Game for the Anglo American establishment is just the
term that was used for many, many years. So when
Quickly was writing in the nineteen sixties and he did
Tragy and Hope, he calls the Western power block the
Atlanticist power block. And that's just talking about all of
the land over here that's not Eurasia, right, And this
has not to do with the good guys bad guys.
It's just laying out the geopolitical scheme in terms of
what Lord Halfard Mackinder called the heartland theory. So you
have heartland and rimland. And the thesis of Mackinder was
that any empire that wants to have dominance in the
world needs to control the heartland, and that's Eurasia. So
you can be a seapower, a little bit of seapower
like the UK, and have a world empire if you're
able to have dominance in certain areas. That same theory
of Heartland, Rinland and all. That is pretty much the
theory of Paksamericana. And you notice that Brazenski and Kissindrenal,
all those kind of big, big scale players, they write
often about this. In fact, Brezenski's books, I think in
Grand Chessboard he even has a whole layout of like Heartland,
Rimland early on, and he says America will have to
control the Eurasian heartland. In fact, years ago he was
talking about the importance of Ukraine as agstate region with
pressure on Russia. I think his last book, Strategic Vision,
even predicted what the US would do in Ukraine. I
remember reading that in grad school. I was sitting at
the library research desk reading Strategic Vision even before there
was like my don q I think it was twenty eleven,
but so anyway, so yeah, so they strategized this out.
But to answer your question, it is the Western Powers,
the Western power block, the Atlanta's power block. And no,
it's not denying the influence of Israel when you cite
that terminology from Quickly, because when Quickly was writing in
the nineteen sixties, it just wasn't. We weren't at the
point where Israel had as much power as it does
have now right, And we see that in for example,
the JFK files, they.
Speaker 3: Were already beginning to have a lot.
Speaker 2: Of power and influence, particularly with regard to the James
juss Angleton back channel conversations that they were having about JFK.
A lot of people in the CIA didn't like JFK,
so they were kind of looking for other people who
didn't like JFK. Then that included mobsters that Israeli operatives,
and it included a lot of people in the CIA
in corporate people. So a lot of people didn't like JFK.
And that doesn't mean JFK is like some sing your
hero of just giving you the facts.
Speaker 3: Of the matter.
Speaker 2: So after the JFK period, I think you get more
and more, especially after USS Liberty, we begin to see
more explicit pressure from Israel put on American foreign policy
and presidents and other people. There wasn't as pronouncement before that.