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when did it come on your radar, this whole Epstein story.

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report on RT I want to say, maybe around twenty sixteen,

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and then you know, his name eventually got tied to

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the four Chan information coming out that would be eventually

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to Zazgait whatever we can or can't say here, but

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you know what I'm talking about, that morphed into the

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disinformation operation known as q chan oru q q tar

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stuff on four Chan, I should say. And so it

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was around that time that I first heard about him,

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and then Alex covered it pretty significantly for a good while.

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profile people, celebrities, academics, CEOs flying on the planes and

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reportedly being compromised, you know, in the Mile High Club.

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and then it was a lot of Clinton information and

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it was kind of connected adjacent to Wiki leagues back

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in twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen, So that was my first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, along to Watson, was the first person I ever

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saw cover that. I think he did a video way back,

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even before maybe Epstein was even arrested, like talking about

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talking about Epstein Islands. So yeah, a few people were

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Speaker 1: We're going to be going through all of that, the

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history of it, who is Jeffrey Epstein, and then some

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the banking, the Rothschild's connection, the connection with old school

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money Rothschilds, and then new tech. We're going to get

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use of what would you call it, the use of

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of youth. It's all, and then we're going to get

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if it's anything over one hundred, then it is TTS.

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be an immediate question read. So I guess Jay to

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way and if you could just smash that like button

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helps us out enormously enormously if you do that, because

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it is a touchy subject on YouTube and they do

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files have actually elucidated for people is that Jeffrey Epstein

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is not some little guy who was a porn and

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even I thought that for a little while, maybe he

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was just some guy who's been used as a pawn.

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and there are much bigger people than him. But for

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those wondering who exactly is he and what role does

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he play in this whole entire international trafficking, espionage, blackmail organization.

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like a Bond villain, but not at the top of

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the pyramids, So he's kind of a mid level fixer

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consultant in my estimation, would be an organized crime PhD.

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cartels and whatnot who do specialize in the ability to

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network and finance and organize things. For example, one thing

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that helps to understand Epstein is to understand the world

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of the mafia and organized crime, and I've done a

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on my stream right before this, we were covering an

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interview with Mayor Lansky, and a lot of people don't

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and helping Lucky Liciano to set up the structure of

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the Sicilian mafia in America. So it's actually the Tony

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Sopranos that would kind of go to people like Sydney

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Korshak and Mayer Lansky to get the overall structure the

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connections and networking. In fact, even Murder Inc. The famous

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that he's not the top of the pyramid. There's certainly

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people that seem to be in many emails giving him orders,

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giving him permission to assassinate people, et cetera. But he

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was very powerful because the second day, some of the

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messages and emails that came out included an organizing like

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a planning, a day planner that had him meeting about

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fifteen heads of state throughout the entire world, fifteen different countries.

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a lot of power. We have him one month before

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Zelensky comes to power. He's in Ukraine. He flies over

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there after emails with are in a d Rothschild saying

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we can profit from this chaos and decibilization. We're able

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to go in and buy it up. We see him

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asking to actually Zelenski, asking to get the attention of

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Epstein for consultation, advice and purposes. So he seems to

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be kind of like a fixer consultant, international blow field figure.

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there's people above him, and people have way more wealth

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than him. But he's definitely liaisoning and being a league

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gate of the Rothschilds and perhaps Israel at various degrees.

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Speaker 3: He's consulting Iwod.

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Speaker 2: Barock, former Prime Minister of Israel, on how to get

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Peter Thiel into the web, to get him on on

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the on their side, as well as other companies, corporations

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and so it's it's pretty much all of the worst

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stuff that you could think of, but it's all now verified.

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Speaker 3: But it's not new.

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Speaker 2: This is something that people should understand that I've really

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been hammering home this week is you know, we've covered

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historical texts that deal with the history of blackmail, honey traps, sexpionage.

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or not, in terms of how they do even organize

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Speaker 3: So it's all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you think sort of sits above him.

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is it people like Leslie Wexnor or is it the

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governments and the intelligence agencies that he's working for?

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the fronts. He was part of a publishing empire with

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Speaker 3: In fact, they actually published that.

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lot of traction. That was published by Epstein, but I

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mean by Maxwell. But Maxwell was part of a cutout

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of an empire of billions of dollars of publishing. But

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speculating that in the Cambridge spy Ring case where there's

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flipped and affected to the Soviet Union.

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famously flipped into I'm hearing myself. Oh sorry, yeah so

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based so long story short, The reason as matters is

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that those British intelligence operators like Kim Philby and Guy

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Burgess and MacLean and Blunt, they flipped and became Soviets

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and went to Russia because they had actually been blackmailed

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Speaker 2: That person doing the blackmail might have actually been Lord

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Rothschall this whole time. We don't know for sure, but

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it seems like it. And another indicator that that might

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and trained just Laine and Robert was perhaps the Rothschild himself,

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Lord Victor Rothchild out of the UK. So if that's

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the case, then now we can understand that this is

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an older operation that's just sort of copied and pasted

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for the next generation. So just Layne and Robert, or

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excuse me, just Laine and Epstein sort of take that over.

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part of any blue blood Plant family. They bring that

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up in the in the Bannon interview, you know, he

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says he's just just a regular Jewish guy, but he's

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recruited him because he seems to have certain talent and abilities.

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really skilled at networking, consulting, and crime. And there are

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actual people that have the equivalent of PhDs in criminal organizations,

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Speaker 3: So I would say that's what he is.

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very very insightful email from Jeffrey that he's explaining the

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reason that Robert Maxwell was assassinated was that while he

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Speaker 3: To the Soviets.

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Maxwell apparently tried to do that, and he tried to

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extort the Masaude for four hundred million pounds, and so

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to do so, apparently for Israel to the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 1: The water falling off the boat accidentally, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so I think that those are indicators of people who,

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role in probably being above Epstein in these kinds of operations.

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As whitney Web points out, he has multiple passports, which

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emails that really specifically point to intelligence? Because before this

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you had a whod Barak and his very close relationship

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Gislaine obviously being his daughter. What is it about these

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being groomed to then be put into Wall Street. One odd,

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odd indicator is the fact that when he went to

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connections that just really don't make sense with the background

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have a shady background or made up background, it's called

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a legend, which gives you the story of oh, I'm this,

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of dollars, and that may or may not be true, right, so,

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but it might be part of your back your background

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cover or story. And then he's immediately connected in the

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circles of famous weapons traffickers like a non Koshogi. And

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it's a little side Notekshogi's yacht was also set up

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with surveillance equipment was involved in a famous case of

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bringing in underage I think Pakistani prostitutes back in the

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eighties or nineties. Whitneywab highlights that in the first couple

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of chapters. But so those connections and associations right away,

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having multiple passports right away. When Acosta, the lawyer from

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Florida was involved in this case, he was originally told

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when he was looking into this, let Epstein go, he's intelligence.

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So we already had a lot of these indicators coming out.

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telling many many news outlets over the last several years

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that obviously, of course Epstein was Massad. So you've got

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a lot of testimonies, a lot of evidences. But I

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think now that the emails and the files have come out,

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we have everything from Epstein giving money to the IDF,

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reporter that hud Barack visited his mansion dozens of times,

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sixteen maybe something like that in New York, very close

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to associations working with the ihod Bart. We've all heard

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this phone call, I think now about how to get

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Peter Thiel involved. I mean, everything about this just totally

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I think screams. You know that there's the band in

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the changes where he says all roads lead not to China,

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but the tel Aviv.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can just keep going on and on.

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Speaker 2: And it also again bears to all the similarities and

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patterns of the Maxwell operation. And little side note, my

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buddy Mark Hackard, he's an analyst of espionage history and whatnot,

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a translator, and he translated a KGB colonel's Cold War

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era assessment of Maxwell, and he put this up maybe

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seven or eight years ago, and it was a really

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fascinating take to see the Soviets attitude from their generals

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and kernels as to what they understood Maxwell to be.

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both sides of the Cold War right, and that they

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thought he was selling secrets to the Soviets as he

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was trying to blackmail Western intelligence and the Masade. And

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that's exactly what happened. So ironically, the Soviet account of

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Maxwell seems to have been vindicated and correct here as well.

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And that's succording Jeffrey's testament, which you know, perhaps just

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Jeffrey was lying or he didn't know, but that seems

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to make the most sense. Again, that indicates I think,

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you know, high level Israeli operation to a degree.

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Speaker 3: But also CIA as well.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't leave that out because I think, as Mike

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former CIA planes, flying them for many decades without any problem.

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He also seemed to have Department of Justice or state

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department I forgetting Whitney Webb has a chapter on this.

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Speaker 3: He stayed at a place.

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Speaker 2: An apartment owned by or that had that was a

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Department of State like property. Why was he allowed to

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stay at the property and to do things seemingly at

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an international state level even after being, you know, a

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known criminal. So I think a lot of those that

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a lot of that above the law stuff also suggests

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intelligence capabilities. And again you can with the relationship of

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Western intelligence through the Five Eyes and this kind of stuff,

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like you can be multiple to work for multiple agencies,

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so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing I did notice about his interview's post

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arrest was that he always seemed very unconcerned with things,

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and then after two thousand and nine, it's just pretty

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much business as usual. I mean, he's charged in two

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thousand and nine, he's put on the sex offenders list,

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and then after that it really does seem like business

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as usual again. But one of the questions I always

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do have is if he is an intelligence agent of

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some sort, and if he does have these deep entrenched

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ties with US and Israeli intelligence, and if he's a

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protected man or a made man in that sense, why

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did he get arrested in the first place? Like, how

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could it possibly be allowed that he would even be highlighted?

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If he's got all these big intelligence connections, why are

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we here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Also, I think British intelligence is an important angle too,

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because a lot of times they're overlooked because people think

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about only the CAA or they only think about Israeli intelligence.

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of course I had a role as well in helping

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to establish the Masaude as Israel was established out of

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a British colony. So all of these things are interlinked

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with the special relationship between the US and the British intelligence.

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studying British intelligence stuff. So that's that's why I like

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to bring that in. And remember Epstein very early on

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was going and hanging out with Princess d He's very

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close to several of the royals, especially Prince Andrew. So

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I think British intelligence is also important to understand in

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this relationship as well, because they are a big player.

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But it's all three of those you know, atlanticist five

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eyes networks together, and I think the reason he got

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caught is probably because something this big, scale, this industrial

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in terms of its just scope and so many years,

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there's going to be a lot of victims and at

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some point, you know, some people are going to come forward.

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I think that's really what originally sort of began to

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you know, undo the sweater, to quote Weezer. When the

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sweater's undone, you keep pulling and pulling and pulling. Eventually

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it's like you can't just kill everybody and cover everything up.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like Nexium.

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Speaker 2: Nexium had a very similar kind of elite billionaire ron

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Feman style structure that eventually so many people were wrapped

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up in this that when you start having the daughters

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of elite families even being offered up to Epstein, which

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I thought was pretty wild. I wouldn't have expected the

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you know, Royalty of the UK and EU to be

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so sort of flippant with you know, give me parenting

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advice for my child, and here's here's my daughter Sophia,

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here's our daughter of Bulgaria or whatever, just trying to

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Denmark or whatever. That was pretty surprising, But I think

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eventually that you know, industrial scale stuff. It just there's

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so many people involved that it's too difficult to not

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have whistleblowers and women coming forward.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that I'm really interested in

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is the banking connection here. It appears as though Epstein

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was talking a lot about banking in the interview that

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he did with Bannon. For example, he's talking about fractional

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reserve banking and if only people understood how this actually works.

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He has this connection with the Rothschilds. In one email

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where he's speaking to Peter Teel, he's saying that I

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represent the Rothschilds. Now that could be interpreted multiple ways.

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First of all, the way I would interpret it is

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that he's obviously manages assets, so he manages assets of

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the Rothschilds, and he's trying to speak to Peter Teel

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in a way that Peter Teel doesn't need money, but

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he would need access. So he's maybe saying I represent

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the Rothschilds. I'll give you access to all of this

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old money. All of this old money is trying to

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find a way into new money, into tech. How did

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you interpret that, particularly the relationship with the Rothschilds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think combined with the other emails that he's

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having with Orienta de rothschild and other statements about you know,

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the twenty five million dollars con tract he had with

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the raw Childs, you have an older family, as you

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said that that is running things even two hundred, three

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hundred years ago on the basis of advanced intelligence. And

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I think a lot of people don't think about intelligence

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and espionage in the modern world. Actually coming out of

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banking in academia, they think about it like it's James

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Bond its spies, it's going around fucking bitches.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not mainly that.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit of that, but it's mainly high

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finance and understanding human nature and compromising people. That's a

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huge part of what it is. It's also media and

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just information. Sure, but as Epstein explains early on in

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the band An interview, he was recruited spotted ironically by

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the same people that spotted and recruited Brazenski. And in

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the case of the Trilateral Commission, this is a higher

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level commission, kind of out of the Council Foreign Relations

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that the rock Feller set up in the nineteen twenties.

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The Trilateral was set up specifically by kiss under Fort

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Brezenski to run in the nineteen seventies because Brezenski was

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so impressed with Kissinger, was so impressed with Brazenski's book

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Between Two Ages and how well he understood the technocratic era,

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so they created the steering committee for him to be on.

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And that's ironically what Epstein says. He was recruited into

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and put in the steering committee of Trilateral in nineteen

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ninety because of the Kissinger family and David Rockfeller himself

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really were impressed with, according to Epstein, his ability to

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understand high finance and to explain it to them. That's

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a very key thing there, and so knowing the fractional

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reserve banking aspect, which is basically just lending out banks

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lending out more than they have on reserves. And if

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you read Carol Quigley's Tragy and Hope, he basically admits

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as a cfr apologist that Western banking for several hundred

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years has been based on that sort of Rothchild model.

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That's what the federal reserve is based on, is the

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idea of putting out more gold notes than you actually

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have in the reserves. So that's why it's a fractional reserve.

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You only needed a fraction of the reserves to match

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what you're putting out, so you can lend out sometimes

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even ten twenty times what you have on reserve, and

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then you charge interest on these loans, and then you

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can buy real assets and real real wealth gold, et cetera.

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So that's kind of the scam that ironically quickly talks about.

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Speaker 1: So just quickly, how does if he's an apologist for this,

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how does he if you had to steal man his

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point for why that's a good thing, fractional reserve banking,

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how would you do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, Quigley's book, he's a military historian, so he's not

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primarily interested in banking. But he just thinks that I

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think that an international democratic the way he describes it

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at the end of the book as an apologist, he says,

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an international capitalist democratic order is for him, the greatest

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hope in response to a century of two World wars

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and a Cold War. So he thinks the tragedy of

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the century is the wars. The hope is democratic capitalism.

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I know that sounds kind of faking gay, but you

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know he wrote that in the nineteen sixties, and so

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you know that is what he says. At the end

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of the day, he's like, I don't have to steal

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man it because that's what he says. He says, Look, yeah,

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I'm an apologist for this. He even says that in

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the book. He says, I was permitted access to the

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CFR archives, and I am defending the position because I

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think this is the best hope for the modern world.

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It's not going to be with a traditionalist Russia, he says,

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And it's not going to be with a traditional Catholic

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access power like Austro Hungarian empire or something like that.

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The future will be something akin to a international democratic

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capitalist order. So that's what he thinks, or that's what

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he says at least. But and of course he was

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Bill Clinton's mentor and again a high level of CFR

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historian and archivist. And what I'm getting at is that

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that's ironic because I didn't actually expect Epstein to have

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been recruited into the Trilateral Commission. I would have thought

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he was more of a you know, just doing more

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organized crime type stuff. But apparently he was definitely higher

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up than most people expected, and that would put him

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kind of again not I wouldn't say he's like I mean,

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Brezenski is definitely a very intelligent person who's an open technocrat.

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He's you know, telling the CIA what to do under Carter.

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He's basically creating the Mujahadin and al Qaeda. That's literally

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what Brezenski's known for. So I don't think it was

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as high tier as that in terms of power structure.

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But he's a like a Brazenski or a Kissinger to

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some degree because he's on their steering committees.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, all right, so his relationship with the Rothschilds.

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Let's just first of all, actually go back in history

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a little bit and understand why it's important, because I

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think everybody's maybe watched a few videos about the Rothschilds

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and the international banking syndicate that they sort of run,

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and how they they came from a family right where

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the father gave an inheritance to the kids or that

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he said the kids around the world, and they all

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made banks in various different countries and then all sort

475
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of worked together, and they've been very much involved. Were

476
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they involved in the French Revolution, they would definitely involved

477
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in the creation of the state of Israel and the

478
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log one end two fund.

479
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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

480
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Speaker 2: I mean, quickly has a whole chapter on the funding

481
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of the French Revolution, and he says it was he

482
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says Jewish and Swiss banks that were Protestant, but he

483
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doesn't say which. However, out of the French Revolution, the

484
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Rothschilds did become the primary members of the French Central Bank.

485
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So this becomes what's called the Paribas banking system. So

486
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p A r I bis is the Rothscheld banking networking system.

487
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So you're absolutely correct that the original forefather sent his

488
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sons out throughout Europe and said go set it up,

489
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you know, in these different countries. And ironically that, according

490
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to some authors on this topic, that appears to be

491
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the same model that they did in the US as well,

492
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because people, a lot of times normy historians think, oh, well,

493
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there was no Rothschild presence in the United States at

494
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least not until the modern era, but people of that

495
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actually dug into this, and there's a lot of theory

496
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that JP Morgan and the early Morgan bankers of the

497
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eighteen hundreds were actually up front for the roth Child's

498
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and I think there is significant evidence to suggest that.

499
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Speaker 1: So I think because they that they sort of died

500
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out over time. Isn't it that there was some conflict

501
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in the family and then eventually the Rothschilds didn't have

502
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as much power, But you're saying that they actually had

503
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fronts for their family banking dynasty.

504
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the perryboss system lasted for a while, it

505
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didn't endure. But some people think that there's also shadow banking,

506
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And ironically Epstein seems to have mentioned this here and there,

507
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And that's an element to where because a lot of

508
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these banks that are super secretive, there's things that we

509
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don't know even to this day. For example, one of

510
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,480
the books that my publisher just put out about the

511
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Bank for National Settlements, which is one of these high,

512
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high tier posts World War two. It's the sort of

513
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bank for central bank for central banks, like they have

514
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,440
classified documents and no one has seen. In fact, there

515
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,799
was just some declassified documents a few years ago that

516
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people went and researched about the BIS and learned about

517
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its relationship to the Bank of England. So, because there's

518
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,680
shadow banking and there's there's even classifications about international banking

519
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,720
for many years, like, there's a lot of things that

520
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,440
we don't know, So there could be hidden wealth, shadow

521
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,599
wealth that we don't know about. And that's what leads

522
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a lot of people to say, Oh, the Rothschild's never

523
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,440
lost money in but it's still I mean, either way,

524
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,160
it's possible that they did, you know, lose some pedigree

525
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over time. But there was also some articles maybe eight

526
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,000
ten years ago, even in mainstream media that the American

527
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,519
Rothschild Banking Empire, or scuing the American Rockefeller Banking Empire,

528
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,640
had joined forces with the Rothschild Banking Empire. So even

529
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if they did lose some pedigree, I mean, they're still

530
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,279
very important, still very powerful, and they still apparently have

531
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,279
no problem you know, openly engaging in the same types

532
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:58,079
of activities that Epstein was involved in and networking with him,

533
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,759
and so in other words, we don't really know, but

534
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,839
we can look at some indicators of possibilities.

535
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Right, So then moving forward here, do you think that

536
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,359
Epstein's relationship with the Rothschilds was more just managing assets

537
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:16,720
or do you think that it's more of a relationship

538
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,680
of them pulling the levers of what he's doing and

539
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:21,799
him working for them.

540
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Speaker 2: I think it's the latter, because you know, again, you know,

541
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,039
going back to for example, like I said earlier, the

542
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origins of modern intelligence, like you know, when they have

543
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
that famous story about Nathan Rothchell or see me about

544
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,319
the Rotel situation in the UK when he had an

545
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:43,720
advanced intelligence on Waterloo. They brag about that in pages

546
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forty eight forty nine of the book The Morton Authorized

547
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,640
Biography that yeah, this is a true story. We used

548
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,599
intel to know ahead of time how to trade and

549
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,559
to buy up when the stock market crashed so forth.

550
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So that's essentially what we see. Fast forward turned years

551
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,279
later and you've got you know, these emails between him

552
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,720
and Oriana talking about the exact same strategy, the exact

553
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:06,480
same model. So I think that he that's again like,

554
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:10,279
you don't have to be trained by the CIA at

555
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,279
Langley to be like doing these kinds of operations and

556
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,640
networking for intelligence. You could be an asset. You could

557
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,759
be just a you know, Israeli intelligence. They have the

558
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,720
idea of the Katsa or the syoneme. You know, these

559
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,039
are also possibilities as well. Uh, you don't have to

560
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,200
be you know, James Bond to be doing this kind

561
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of stuff. And there's also corporate espionage, there's private espionage.

562
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:35,880
Those things exist too. So the Rothchild model is apparently,

563
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,759
you know, banking and intelligence is their connection interpol if

564
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,720
I recall has I think comes out of Rothchild? Uh,

565
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intelligence networking and many media outlets, was it AP or

566
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,319
is it The Economist is a Rothchild magazine and then

567
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,640
one of the big outlets it was the AP or

568
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
if it's United Press or one of those is also

569
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has its origins in the in the Rothchild networks. But

570
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so they really figured this out for banking, that having

571
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an intelligence network is the way to really do it.

572
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And by the way, David Rockefeller has a chapter in

573
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memoirs where he says, I learned in my intelligence time

574
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
in the military how to set up the networks in

575
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the structuring for my banking empire. So they take the

576
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,400
intelligence civil service and they translated into the private sphere.

577
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And by the way, that's exactly what Epstein consults ihod

578
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,039
barak On. He says, I'm going to teach you how

579
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,759
to go from civil service, public service into taking that information,

580
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that knowledge and putting it into private intelligence and private

581
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service and becoming a consultant. You can consult, you know,

582
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,960
he says, for millions of dollars a year just consulting people.

583
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,599
So long story short, Yeah, I think it is more

584
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,640
so the latter. And again it's difficult to know because

585
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,519
so much of banking is kind of private and proprietary

586
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and secretive. And even the two biggest central secret banks

587
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,319
in the world, like the Vatican Bank or the Bank

588
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,519
for National Settlements, I mean, there's super secretive, but there's

589
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,440
so much we don't even know about what they're up to.

590
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,279
And they do that by design, right, That's the real

591
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:11,599
secret society is these international banking clicks, and that's why

592
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,039
they can fund both sides of conflicts. They need to

593
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:18,160
be international and above nation state purview. And if you're

594
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going to fund criminal operations or black ops or whatever like,

595
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,920
you don't want congressional oversight, you don't want inquiries into

596
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880
that money. You need these kind of super secretive banks.

597
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,240
And the way Epstein even describes this surprised me. He

598
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,359
was describing how the Vatican Bank works to Larry Summers,

599
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,799
who is a Clinton era banking vulture. You would have

600
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,400
thinked that you would think that a guy come out

601
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,279
of Harvard would know how the Vatican Bank works. But

602
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,799
apparently Epstein had to explain to him that this is

603
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,839
the greatest secret bank. It's perfect for money laundering and

604
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,079
you know, funneling things to black ops. It's because it's

605
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,000
super secret. And the BIS is the same way.

606
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:56,079
Speaker 3: Right.

607
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Speaker 1: So we mentioned before about the email with him and Teal,

608
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and then I think, I think offstream, you told me

609
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,640
that this is like reminiscent or as CANi Zones would say,

610
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,359
reminiscent of the way in which the Rothschilds have done

611
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,519
things over over the last few hundreds.

612
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Speaker 2: That's when you are all remembering, right, amminitionent, remember all things. Yeah,

613
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:20,319
I'm sorry, Yeah, listen, don't be too macaber Okay, Now.

614
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Speaker 1: The topics are dark, these are these are these are

615
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,920
macup topics, dude, So how does that link up? If

616
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,839
you're looking at the way in which the Rothschilds have

617
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,119
done things over the past few hundred years, and then

618
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,759
the sort of maneuvering that Epstein's doing there to try

619
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,319
and get into the new money tech world.

620
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:37,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

621
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,799
Speaker 2: Great, great point because as we said, say with Waterloo

622
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,799
or the way that Quigley's chapter on French banking and

623
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,559
the Perry Boss system describes it as that it's intimately

624
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:50,920
connected to intelligence. And if you want a more modern,

625
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:55,440
updated version of this, which perfectly applies to Epstein, watch

626
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,799
Oliver Stone's movie Wall Street, because you have the Charlie

627
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,759
Sheen character, Bud Fox, who goes to Wall Street. He's

628
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,720
from a middle class working family. He wants to make

629
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,519
it big. He wants to get out of the small town.

630
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,400
He's going to be a multimillionaire. And he thinks if

631
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,759
he can be like Gordon Gecko, you know, the Michael

632
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,359
Douglas Viper Trader character, he can get out of it.

633
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,799
And what he learns is very perceptive for Stone to

634
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:19,359
put this in the film. What he learns is that

635
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,559
everything that Michael Douglas is teaching him is the opposite

636
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,200
of what he thought that world was. He thought if

637
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,799
you just worked hard, paid attention to the data, made

638
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,599
the calls, you know, watched your computer screens, whatever, that

639
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,839
you would be a great trader. And actually, Gordon Gecko says,

640
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,960
you idiot, It's about insider knowledge and advanced knowledge. That's

641
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,079
how you make your money. You get dirt on people,

642
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,880
you do that, that's the way to the top. And

643
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,240
it sort of blows the mind of you know, Bud

644
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Fox because it requires them eventually to turn on his

645
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,359
own family and their business.

646
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: So Wall Street's good to see that.

647
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,319
Speaker 2: And that's really the model I think that the rosterilt

648
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:58,799
figure out a long time ago, is that, you know,

649
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,160
do you want to get ahead of the game, you

650
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,319
want to know where to put money?

651
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:01,559
Speaker 3: You know.

652
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,519
Speaker 2: Epstein has a couple of emails joking about that where

653
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,680
he's like, yeah, we you know, short trade certain stocks

654
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
and we leave that to the goyam and they can

655
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,519
deal with the real he says, they can deal with

656
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,000
the real world. We have the insider world. That was

657
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,639
a very insightful email there, because that's exactly what we're

658
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,760
talking about. So banking is more close to intelligence than

659
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960
the James Bond stuff, although there's a lower level of

660
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,840
that kind of stuff going on here.

661
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,119
Speaker 1: Just quickly, Yeah, when he's talking about the inside of stuff,

662
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,199
can you just explain what that means a little bit better.

663
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,360
So they are doing all of the dirty work, and

664
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,119
they're sort of like controlling and manipulating the market, if

665
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,480
you will. And then other people like the Goiam they say,

666
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,719
are like the ones who are invested in the stocks

667
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,800
and buying and selling in certain points and everything is

668
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,920
is that what they're talking about?

669
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for example, just coming off the top of

670
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,880
my head, like, if there's going to be a chaos

671
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,599
or conflict in a region, you know that's going to

672
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,719
disrupt obviously the economics of that region. So for example, Ukraine,

673
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,400
when the Ukraine conflict popped off, you know, it wasn't

674
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,119
too long until I mean the conflict popped off obviously

675
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,800
with my don and all that. But by the time

676
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
of Zelensky, if you remember, there was that clip whard

677
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:08,320
Zolensky was.

678
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: Like what they'll tell you everybody in the West Bleadbrook,

679
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:16,480
all of you companies come to Ukraine great to buy things. Yeah.

680
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Well that's an example where in the Epstein emails we

681
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,480
get this impression that he's constantly sort of scanning to

682
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,519
see where the next conflict zones might be so that

683
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,760
they can get in ahead of the conflict and be

684
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,239
ready to you know, buy things up short the market,

685
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,039
whatever it is, say, based on the resources or the

686
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,880
you know, the grain that comes out of that U

687
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,519
area or the one of the really insightful emails on

688
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,239
this was the Somali email. That was crazy because way

689
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,119
before we had all these migrants in the West, Epstein

690
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,719
seems to have been aware of a coming Somalia you know,

691
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,079
desabilization chaos operation where he said, we can get in there,

692
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:03,280
get in early, grab the resources. Another insight into this

693
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,239
is Hillary's letter or she wrote an essay for the

694
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,320
Brookings Institute, which is a big high level thing thing.

695
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:12,679
This was back when everybody was talking about Hillary's paid

696
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,800
a play scandal that you had these world leaders Saudis

697
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,239
and others were putting money into Hillary's campaign as they

698
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,800
paid a play scam where when she went into some

699
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,800
country like Libya, uh, and then they divide up the gold,

700
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,360
then the people who donated to her campaign would get

701
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their cut basically.

702
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: So that's another angle of it.

703
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look up Hillary's a little paper she

704
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,760
wrote for Brookings and then it came out same thing

705
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,039
in her in the wiki leagues, Hillary's emails, and there's

706
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:44,880
an Epstein email basically confirming the same thing about Libya

707
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,519
that when we go in we can get Goadafi's gold.

708
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,039
He has I figured what they said, you know, two

709
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,320
billion dollars worth of gold stashed up. Will use the US.

710
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,159
So they basically use the US government, the stupidity of

711
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,000
the American public and patriotism to get them on board

712
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:04,159
with these foreign ventures that are actually about, you know,

713
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,039
gaining the land and the resources and the precious rare

714
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,159
earth minerals in these regions.

715
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,559
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, one of the things that I'm super

716
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,880
interested in. I don't know, is there anything else that

717
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,199
you wanted to touch on in terms of this whole

718
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,079
rothstyle Child's connection and the old money new money thing,

719
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,239
because soon I want to move on to this eugenics program.

720
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,239
But anything else you've got in regards to this.

721
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: It's interesting that in regard to the connection that not

722
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,719
many people have called attention to, other than myself is

723
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,559
the Vatican Bank that knows so much about and his

724
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,800
close connection with John Paul the Second, not just by

725
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,599
the way allegedly staying in the Vatican for a period

726
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:50,719
of time and then consulting John Paul on various architectural

727
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,239
features which we know Epstein was very into tile and

728
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,000
architecture for whatever reason, and structural compounds that have tunnels,

729
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,519
by the way, but he also says another email that

730
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,559
he had been gifted some ceiling piece from John Paul

731
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,039
the Second. We know he was at a John Paul

732
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,760
the Second audience where he and just Lane received a blessing.

733
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,920
So I think there's significant connections there that do make

734
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,960
a clear close relationship with John Paul the Second. Now

735
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,760
I'm not saying that we know that John Paul was

736
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,800
involved in anything per se, but that there was this

737
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,079
close relationship I think is verifiable. And the people running

738
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,280
point to sort of disarm this argument or are full

739
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,280
of it. Most of the arguments are totally bull crap.

740
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,840
But the reason I bring that up is that it's

741
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,880
not accidental that he has a deep insight into the

742
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,400
workings of the Vatican Bank, because he seems to have

743
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,079
that close relationship with John Paul the Second, and he

744
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,719
knows the inner workings of why benedit the sixteenth step

745
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,239
down and had to do with the Vatican Bank, which

746
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,880
is again, if you know from Operation Gladio and the

747
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,679
lectures that we've done from multiple books, from multiple different

748
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,000
political perspectives on Gladie. We can absolutely confirm that that

749
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,719
was a oss CIA operation. But again, who are the

750
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
papal bankers since the eighteen hundreds? Officially on record the

751
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,239
roth Charles, and this is well known, its admitted public

752
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,920
historical fact. I'll way back to eighteen thirty two and

753
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,599
then loans all the way up into the late eighteen

754
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,239
hundreds and then presumably still having that close relationship, which

755
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,079
is why it makes perfect sense that as a raw

756
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,840
Child representative he would be knowing and her workings of

757
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,800
the Vatican Bank because the Rothchilds have a close relationship

758
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,519
to the Vatican Bank.

759
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,119
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I don't know anything about the Vatican Bank.

760
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:34,360
I'm not even gonna lie I dodn't even know that

761
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
there was a Vatican Bank. And I actually want to

762
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:38,719
pick your brains a little bit more about this now.

763
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,400
But guys, we are going to be reading out some

764
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,599
super chats if they do come in. Any questions that

765
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,719
you guys have got for Jay, if you did want

766
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,119
to do that after this topic, we'll read them out,

767
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:52,480
So get him in if you'd like. But Jay, Vatican Bank,

768
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,800
what actually what are we talking here?

769
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,199
Speaker 3: What is that?

770
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: Well, certainly all churches and religious institutions have some form

771
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,280
of of banking accounts or something like that. So let

772
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,559
me be very clear on what I'm talking about. I'm

773
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,280
not talking about a religious institution, you know, getting donations

774
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,960
or having money or something like that. I'm saying a specific,

775
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,760
unique bank that is international, that is the Vatican's bank

776
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,960
called the Institute for Religious Works. And so the inter

777
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,719
Religious Works, by the way, has been riddled by constant

778
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,159
scandals for many, many decades, many many years, the most

779
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:30,400
famous of which of recent times is the Roberto Calvi

780
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,320
case and the connection to the P two mafia. And

781
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,559
this is what led to the death of not just

782
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,159
Roberto Calviy, but many people think John Paul the First

783
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,400
and a host of other people in bankers throughout throughout Italy.

784
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,159
And this is in regard to what's called Operation Gladio

785
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,920
and the Bank of Dembrosio scandal, which was part of

786
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,039
the Vatican Banks network scandal.

787
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: So long story short, because.

788
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: The Vatican Bank was an international bank, and because the

789
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,280
Vatican articularly at the time of the Cold War, so

790
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:09,320
right after World War Two, Bill Donovan, James Jesus Engleton

791
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,920
and William Colby three very important CIOs s and CIA

792
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,440
figures who were all Roman Catholic. By the way, they

793
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:19,599
set up these very closer relationships through working at the

794
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,880
Rome desk in the case of Colby and Engleton with

795
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,960
the Vatican. And so Vatican has its own secret service,

796
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,280
its own intelligence operation, and it has its own bank.

797
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,199
And because the Communists were beginning to win elections and

798
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,440
getting popular in the Cold War in Italy, the CIA so, well,

799
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,239
we don't want that, you know, happening in Italy, and

800
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,480
the Vatican obviously agreed, and so there was this alliance

801
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,920
that was made. This is all public, this isn't conspiracy theory,

802
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,480
because the Vatican wanted help to help so that the

803
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,679
Christian Democratic Party could win the elections and not the Communists.

804
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: So that's what.

805
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,199
Speaker 2: Fords the original connection, and those CIA epartists said, well, look,

806
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,960
we're happy to do this, but we're going to need

807
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,920
the Vatican also to be on our side when we

808
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,119
need things from the Vatican. And that led to this

809
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:09,840
relationship between people like cord Meyer and other individuals who

810
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,840
would become famous CIA drug traffickers. That's how they set

811
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,199
up this relationship to have black budget money funneled through

812
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,360
the Vatican. Why because the Vatican is the world's most

813
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,119
secret bank next to the BIS, and it's not subject

814
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,239
to Italian laws or EU laws. It's its own independent

815
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,119
city state. So just like the Washington d C is

816
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,639
an independent city state within the United States, so likewise,

817
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,400
the Vatican is its own independent city state.

818
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,599
Speaker 3: It's not subject to.

819
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,679
Speaker 2: The Italian laws or to European laws, so as even

820
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,039
Epstein himself describes, which I thought. That's why I honed

821
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,480
in on that email so much, because so many of

822
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,679
the books that we've highlighted over the years, whether it's

823
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,239
Paul Williams or whether it's the God's Banker text which

824
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,920
is about robertal Khality and all this, all of that

825
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,920
was really vindicated I think in that Epstein email description

826
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,840
about the Vatican Bank.

827
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: So this is all one percent real stuff.

828
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So did.

829
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: I make I mean, I feel like I am I?

830
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,679
Am I putting out too much? Like? Am I not

831
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,760
explaining it? Well?

832
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,519
Speaker 2: Like am I just putting out too much names and

833
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,000
facts not to you? But I'm sending you there for

834
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:15,719
the sec of the audience.

835
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: No, I think it's probably the audience probably gets it

836
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,920
better than I do.

837
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,079
Speaker 3: But I do. I do kind of get what you

838
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,280
at all. No, no, no no.

839
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 1: But I did say to you I kind of want

840
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,559
to like I I get the things, but connecting the

841
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,840
dots is the hard part sometimes. And that's why I

842
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000
really wanted to talk to you today because the dot connecting,

843
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,679
like you have all of the individual stories, but it's

844
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,039
sort of in its own little factions.

845
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: And then yeah, the way that, according to Paul Williams,

846
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,320
is a gladiobook and he was an FBI consultant, so

847
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,360
he's not really some sort of like Weld conspiracy. He's

848
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,960
a Catholic historian guy who consulted the FBI all the

849
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
way back to the late two thousands on organized crime

850
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,679
and al Qaeda. I've got we lectured on his book

851
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,440
on al Qaida a few months ago, but a book

852
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,679
on Operation Gladio in the Vatican Bank scandals. And again

853
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:06,360
there's many other books that we've covered too, but his

854
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,039
is particularly I think instructive because he's a Catholic, so

855
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,519
he's not, like, you know, coming at this from some

856
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,039
vendetta against the Romancolic Church or something. And he's not

857
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,840
a conspiracy theorist. He's just sort of looking at the

858
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,519
data and information, and as Gladio became more and more public.

859
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,440
What happened was in the nineteen nineties, they didn't know

860
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,159
what to call it, but they knew that there were

861
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,280
these stay behind networks that were operating throughout Europe that

862
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,280
were originally set up by the US and CIA in

863
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,760
case of a Soviet NKVD invasion. So if Stalin ever

864
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
moved into Europe, the purpose of Gladio supposedly was to

865
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:45,239
fend off a Stalinist invasion. So and that makes sense,

866
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,320
like obviously, you know, if I'm anti communists, that makes

867
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,920
sense why you would do that. And I'm not pro

868
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,400
Soviet at all or pro pro communist or pro socialist.

869
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,800
I'm just giving you the layout of why they were

870
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,920
doing this. The problem is that it also became an

871
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,079
internet a network, you can say, throughout Europe for corruption

872
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,159
and for chaos with these people who were trained in

873
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,440
terror cells and terror operations. But they also compromised many

874
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,719
high level Italian and Vatican officials and that came out

875
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,400
in European news in the nineteen nineties. They didn't know

876
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,360
that it was called Gladio yet, but this compromise list

877
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,239
was leaked and guess what same model as the type

878
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,480
of stuff that Epstein was doing. It's just that back

879
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,280
then with the P two Lodge, it was more so prostitutes.

880
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,639
There probably were some gay things going on, but they

881
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,239
were called Bunga parties. Yeah, you can just look up

882
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,239
Berlisconi's There were some scandals that came out ten years

883
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,599
ago about the same things going on with the Bunga

884
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:46,239
Bunga parties with Berlusconi and when they Epstein even invited

885
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,199
Berlosconi to the island and Berlisconi made a joke something

886
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,159
like the women who come to my parties actually want

887
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,760
to come back. I don't have to enslave them, he

888
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,159
said some joke like that, like I don't have to

889
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,320
traffick them because they actually like coming to my party.

890
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,199
So just look at Booga Booka parties with Brotherly Sconey

891
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,800
Brotherscony is on record as a P two Lodge member.

892
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,079
So he was part of the P two Lodge, which

893
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,960
is where they were recruiting people into Gladio. Long story short. Kissinger,

894
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,559
according to Paul Williams, was the mastermind of how to

895
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,360
put Lecchio Gelli, who was the head of the lodges,

896
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,559
the grand Master lodges p two lodges in Italy put

897
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,440
him in control of this operation together with Michael Sendona,

898
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,800
who was in charge of organized crime in Italy. They

899
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,679
worked together with the lodge and with organized crime to

900
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,199
bring people into Gladio in case of the Soviet invasion.

901
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,400
But what it ended up being was an entire government

902
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:47,119
being compromised in the sixties and seventies by Kissinger running

903
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,119
this operation. Now, who spots Brazinski and whose spots? Apparently

904
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:56,199
according to Epstein, for Rockefeller, Kissinger circles right. So they

905
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,639
did the same thing with Epstein putting him into this role,

906
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,960
same thing with Lechio Galli and Michelle Condona in Italy

907
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,840
to run a big compromise government control, shadow government operation.

908
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's accidental if you read those books.

909
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: So who do you think he had the closest relationship

910
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,079
with of all of the different agencies, because there's just

911
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,119
so many that are named to You've got obviously like

912
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:23,760
the Vatican, you've got the various different intelligence agencies, CIA, Massad,

913
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,760
the MI six, You've got the guy from the business,

914
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,320
the Emorti businessman that he's involved with. It seems like

915
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,360
he pretty much has his toes dipped in every single pond, right,

916
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,800
He's got his fingers in every single pie. So who

917
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,599
is he most close?

918
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: Do you think?

919
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: He's definitely a high level operative and fixer for the

920
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,599
Western elite. So again he's up there hanging out. We

921
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,079
find out in the circles of Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brazenski.

922
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,039
Speaker 3: He's in those circles.

923
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: So he's higher up than like you said, that we thought,

924
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,280
and that would mean that he's really probably you know.

925
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: Up near the top, but not at the top.

926
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,199
Speaker 2: So that would mean he's probably a high level operative

927
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,559
for all of Western intelligence because he's working with Saudi's,

928
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:17,440
he's working with shakes. Like I said, at the beginning

929
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,639
of the second day, one of those emails came out

930
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,039
that he had planned to meet like fifteen heads of state,

931
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,239
and it's like, how are you doing all this without,

932
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:29,960
you know, approval above government. Now, what's something we always

933
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,199
talk about on my channel is that the people at

934
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,159
the steering committees, they're above people at the CAA. Okay,

935
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:39,280
people that run foundations. That's higher than being ACA section

936
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,400
chief or you know, some sort of an operative in

937
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,719
the field obviously or something like that, or handler.

938
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: So this is above that. This is at the level.

939
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:51,599
Speaker 2: Of steering committee Builderberg type stuff, Davos type stuff. And

940
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,800
you saw that one email where he was saying, we

941
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,760
want to make Davos the new United Nations. United Nations

942
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,880
is too fake and gay, it doesn't really get anything done.

943
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,440
We want to put Davos in there. And he talks

944
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,519
a lot about Davos, and you know, and that's because

945
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Davos was also a Kissinger project. Harvard research project was

946
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,599
the brainchild of Kissinger, and they collated this idea to

947
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,480
set up another one of these steering committees, kind of

948
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,960
like Bilderberg, but a little more public, with broader reach

949
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:25,679
and scope. And that's essentially what World Economic Form and

950
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,800
Davos was right.

951
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,079
Speaker 1: So forum that was started like nineteen seventy one, Klaus

952
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,039
Schwebright he started that. It was it was smaller back then.

953
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,320
But then, wasn't Kissinger more involved in the Club of Rome.

954
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,639
Wasn't he involved in that in the Club of Rome?

955
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,679
Or was he directly involved in the formation of the

956
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,719
Weld Economic Forum.

957
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,679
Speaker 2: He's darkly involved in WF. So it comes out of

958
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Kissinger and Harvard research projects. So but no, I'm sure

959
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,039
Kissinger has a role in Club of Rome too, because

960
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,800
another key Rockefeller operative, Maurice Strong was one of the

961
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,719
key chairmen share people of of Rome. So you're noticing

962
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,679
pattern here of Like obviously David rock Filp is a

963
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,519
huge role, which we've said for many many years.

964
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: I have this biography of the.

965
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Rock Collar family, right, they're authorized biography, and that biography

966
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:15,039
just tells everything, Like they were behind the Acumenist movement,

967
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,960
the National Council churches, the World Council churches, they were

968
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,159
behind setting up the CFR. They played a huge role

969
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,400
in setting up the United Nations. They donated the land,

970
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,079
so the UN played a huge role in setting up

971
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,159
the OSS and CIA. So they play a huge role.

972
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,960
They're big, massive, And one of their key recruits, also

973
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,599
out of intelligence, is Henry Kissinger, So a Kissinger had

974
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:41,039
a time and.

975
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: Intelligence as well.

976
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,519
Speaker 2: He's brought in to kind of be this sort of

977
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,599
neo con operative for many many years for that family.

978
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,639
And I'm just pointing out that, like now a lot

979
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:53,920
of those things make more sense to me that it's

980
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,599
pointing to this sort of overarching oligarchical power structure that

981
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,960
runs the West, not the politicians. The politicians have a

982
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:07,320
very you know, minuscule degree of power, but up at

983
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,719
that level of the steering committee people, and I think

984
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,280
you could place the Royals up there pretty high as well.

985
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,519
Speaker 3: They do have a lot of power.

986
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,559
Speaker 2: But everybody points to that picture of like Lord Rothshall's

987
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,880
like pointing his finger in King Charles is like he's

988
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,519
putting his finger into his chest, like you're gonna do

989
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,199
what I say if you've seen that famous.

990
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: Picture, So it makes sense. Yeah, they've had a huge

991
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,519
amount of power in the UK.

992
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: I think the British Empire eventually became kind of a

993
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,559
cutout for them. And if you read even Tragiant Hope,

994
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,079
which is not at all interested in so much of

995
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,079
of the Rothschild stuff, he admits all kinds of stuff

996
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,559
about the Rothschilds, like the Suez Canal that was all

997
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:46,559
a Rothschild operation.

998
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: They quickly basically admits.

999
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: That what's his cecil Roads and the Roads Trust and

1000
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,480
all the diamond operations that was de Beers, that was

1001
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,559
all Rochel money.

1002
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: Too directly involved with the creation of the state of Israel.

1003
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,039
Right the Balfour Declaration was written.

1004
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: In fact, according to even before Balfour, all the way

1005
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,760
back in the eighteen sixties. According to their family history

1006
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,239
and according to Moses Heass in this book Rum in Jerusalem,

1007
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,000
they were buying land in the eighteen sixties. Oh shit,

1008
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,400
So they had an idea to have Originally, according to Morton,

1009
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,159
he says, the idea was to have just pilgrimage sites

1010
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,960
that Jews could could visit. But eventually it became more

1011
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,880
and more of a political thing because the political Zionists

1012
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,599
like Heinweitzman and Theodore Hertzel were putting pressure on the

1013
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,760
rothchildst and saying, hey, we need to actually get into politics.

1014
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,800
It's not going to be just a religious pilgrimage site

1015
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,960
because in the eighteen sixties and later on, they were

1016
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,599
just kind of buying land for Jews to do pilgrimages.

1017
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,840
And they were buying land from the Turkish sultans, right,

1018
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,280
so it wasn't like they were just stealing the land

1019
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,159
immediately from Palestinians. They were it from Turkish sultan's. But

1020
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,280
it was called Palestine land, and in fact, all the

1021
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,760
original Rothchild documents when they were by there, it was

1022
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,280
called Palestine Land, like that's what it was called. So

1023
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,559
this idea that it never exists simply not true, even

1024
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:17,639
the Rothchild. There's even postcards that the Rothchild sent from Palestine.

1025
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: So long story short.

1026
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: They bought more and more land, and then pressure was

1027
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,719
put on them by people like hivitesmen to make it

1028
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,840
more political, and then eventually they got on board with

1029
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:34,519
political Zionism at the time of Balfour. But Balfour didn't

1030
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:38,239
actually accomplish much, and so you needed other conflicts that

1031
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,519
actually led to the real establishment of the nation state of Israel.

1032
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,079
And I think they weren't recognized utils right.

1033
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: So all of these powers that we're talking about, Yeah,

1034
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,719
this is one thing that I do wonder with. Obviously,

1035
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,039
all of the different intelligence agencies, the Vatican, the different

1036
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:55,480
Arab nations that are becoming more and more powerful. Is

1037
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,840
there some sort of like a common thread that unites

1038
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,679
all of those guys in the sense they all worked

1039
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,960
together in international banking. Or are they just factions that

1040
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:05,960
just sort of operate the same way that removed from

1041
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,440
one another.

1042
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,679
Speaker 3: No, great question.

1043
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:13,079
Speaker 2: It's the Atlanticist power block, or what's sometimes called the

1044
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,519
Anglo American establishment. Now that term is not used to

1045
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:21,119
castigate Anglo people. It's the older term that was used

1046
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,719
in geopolitics during the time of what's called the Great Game.

1047
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,800
So this is the battle between Russia and the West,

1048
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,079
particularly Russia versus the UK. Right, So when the British

1049
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,840
Empire was very powerful, one of their main rivals was

1050
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,760
the Russian empirement and so the term out of the

1051
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,239
Great Game for the Anglo American establishment is just the

1052
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,440
term that was used for many, many years. So when

1053
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400
Quickly was writing in the nineteen sixties and he did

1054
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,360
Tragy and Hope, he calls the Western power block the

1055
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,039
Atlanticist power block. And that's just talking about all of

1056
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,880
the land over here that's not Eurasia, right, And this

1057
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,360
has not to do with the good guys bad guys.

1058
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,960
It's just laying out the geopolitical scheme in terms of

1059
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,039
what Lord Halfard Mackinder called the heartland theory. So you

1060
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:10,239
have heartland and rimland. And the thesis of Mackinder was

1061
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,199
that any empire that wants to have dominance in the

1062
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,239
world needs to control the heartland, and that's Eurasia. So

1063
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,400
you can be a seapower, a little bit of seapower

1064
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,920
like the UK, and have a world empire if you're

1065
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,039
able to have dominance in certain areas. That same theory

1066
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,400
of Heartland, Rinland and all. That is pretty much the

1067
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,639
theory of Paksamericana. And you notice that Brazenski and Kissindrenal,

1068
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,119
all those kind of big, big scale players, they write

1069
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,840
often about this. In fact, Brezenski's books, I think in

1070
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,119
Grand Chessboard he even has a whole layout of like Heartland,

1071
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,960
Rimland early on, and he says America will have to

1072
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,360
control the Eurasian heartland. In fact, years ago he was

1073
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,679
talking about the importance of Ukraine as agstate region with

1074
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,079
pressure on Russia. I think his last book, Strategic Vision,

1075
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,719
even predicted what the US would do in Ukraine. I

1076
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,639
remember reading that in grad school. I was sitting at

1077
00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:05,960
the library research desk reading Strategic Vision even before there

1078
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,480
was like my don q I think it was twenty eleven,

1079
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,400
but so anyway, so yeah, so they strategized this out.

1080
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,760
But to answer your question, it is the Western Powers,

1081
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,519
the Western power block, the Atlanta's power block. And no,

1082
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,480
it's not denying the influence of Israel when you cite

1083
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,880
that terminology from Quickly, because when Quickly was writing in

1084
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,519
the nineteen sixties, it just wasn't. We weren't at the

1085
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,239
point where Israel had as much power as it does

1086
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,440
have now right, And we see that in for example,

1087
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,360
the JFK files, they.

1088
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: Were already beginning to have a lot.

1089
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,119
Speaker 2: Of power and influence, particularly with regard to the James

1090
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,880
juss Angleton back channel conversations that they were having about JFK.

1091
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,159
A lot of people in the CIA didn't like JFK,

1092
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,480
so they were kind of looking for other people who

1093
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,360
didn't like JFK. Then that included mobsters that Israeli operatives,

1094
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,320
and it included a lot of people in the CIA

1095
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,320
in corporate people. So a lot of people didn't like JFK.

1096
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,239
And that doesn't mean JFK is like some sing your

1097
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,480
hero of just giving you the facts.

1098
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:02,679
Speaker 3: Of the matter.

1099
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: So after the JFK period, I think you get more

1100
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,880
and more, especially after USS Liberty, we begin to see

1101
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:15,599
more explicit pressure from Israel put on American foreign policy

1102
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:20,360
and presidents and other people. There wasn't as pronouncement before that.