Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. Les Wexner was deposed yesterday by members of Congress,
and according to reports, the vast majority of them felt
like les Wexner wasn't being exactly truthful and that should
not come as a shock to anybody considering how deeply
entwined Jeffrey Epstein and less Wexner were. What you think
He's just going to incriminate himself and make it easy
on us, of course not so. Wexner was never going
to be the Rosetta Stone. He was never going to
give them the information they needed. But with that said,
we'll have to wait until the transcript becomes available until
we have a HD view of what went down. So
in this episode, what we're going to do is take
a look at what's being reported, and then when the
transcripts become available, we'll get those bad boys added to
the catalog as well. But first things first, this article
is from the AP and the headline billionaire Les Wexner
says he was duped by advisor Jeffrey Epstein, a world
class con man. Nobody buys that he was duped by Epstein.
Huh okay? I guess one of the smartest, richest men
in the world duped by Jeffrey Epstein to the tune
of what forty seven million or so. Imagine getting forty
seven million dollars pilfered from you by a world class
conman and not reporting that to the police or the
FBI or whoever. Well, I guess forty seven million means
nothing to less. Wexner must be nice. The billionaire behind
the retail empire that wants blanketed shopping malls with names
such as Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch told members
of Congress on Wednesday that he was duped by a
world class conman. Close financial advisor, Jeffrey Epstein. Les Wexner
also denied knowing about the late sex offenders' crimes or
participating in Epstein's abuse of girls and young women. So
I think the situation with Wexner is mainly about financials.
If you want to slam the door shut on Wexner
and maybe get them on something, then financials are going
to be the way to do it. And it's just
like Prince Andrew over in the UK. You open the
door with the trade secrets and then from there, I'll
bets are off. And it's really wild for me to
see how many people don't understand how these investigations go.
Do you think they just show up with a smoking gun.
That's not how it works. They open the investigation, they
collect circumstantial evidence, and then once that evidence is collected,
they bring it to a judge. They say to the judge, hey,
look here's what we have. Can we get a warrant
for so and so? And that's how all of these
cases are built. So when you hear people talking about, oh, well,
that's circumstantial evidence, they really just don't know what they're
talking about. Because when you have a gigantic, sprawling investigation
such as this, you have to have an inn and
if that inroad is a financial crime, then so be it.
And then from there it becomes sprawling. Right. There's something
called the superseded indictment, and what that means is later
on down the road, if you're indicted for something, if
they find other crimes, they can adjust that indictment and
supersede it with a new indictment charging you with new
crimes that they found during their investigation. So it's laughable
when you see people out here talking about well, this
has nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, you dumb morons.
First of all, it has everything to do with Epstein,
considering you pass the information on to Epstein. Second of all,
if you think the investigation is going to end here
when it comes to the confidential information, you're smoking something.
Because once this door was opened, once this Pandora's box
was emptied, there was no going back. I was naive, foolish,
and gullible to put any trust in Jeffrey Epstein man.
And while I was conned, I have done nothing wrong
and have nothing to hide, the eighty eight year old
retired founder of L Brand said in a statement to
the House Oversight and Reform Committee released before his interview.
The panel's Democrats had subpoenaed him after the latest Justice
Department release of Epstein related documents revealed new details about
Wexner's relationship with the well connected financier. Ranking member Representative
James Comer, a Kentucky Republican, said Wexner answered every question
asked of him during the six hour procedure. A video
and transcript are to be released soon. Yo Comer hasn't
met an Epstein friend that he doesn't like anything that
Donald Trump says, Comer is willing to do. And it's
really pathetic to watch. Do these people not understand that
Donald Trump is going to be out of office soon?
What then? What are you guys going to do? What
is going to be the the narrative? What's gonna be
the party line? We protect pedophiles, We don't pursue disgusting people.
Money Laundering's okay? I mean, what's gonna be the next slogan?
Because I promise you there are gonna be campaign ads
littered throughout the election season that have the GOP framed
as people that were protecting Jeffrey Epstein and his friends.
Make no mistake about it, or maybe they'll use this one. Look,
it wasn't pedophilia. The girls were fifteen and sixteen. I mean,
that's the level we're at now with the people trying
to defend this shit. I mean, there's a whole group
of people out there that have made it their life's
work now to try and make Jeffrey Epstein out to
be not the monster that he really was. The shit
is bizarre, and honestly, I think a lot of it
has to do with them being jealous that they missed
the story. They weren't on the story from the jump,
So now what they're trying to do is demean it.
And it's pretty odd that the vast majority of them
are people that are pro Israel. And as you all know,
I'm not somebody that sits here and shits on Israel
all the time. And I don't think that Jeffrey Epstein
was a Masad spy. But there's no doubt that there
is a lot of pushback coming from the pro Israel
brigade who feels like this is damaging to Israel. So
they're going to do everything in their power to try
and demean the claims that are coming out about Jeffrey Epstein.
And of course Wexner is somebody that's very powerful in
that lobby, so they're gonna deny Wexner's role for sure. Oh,
he had nothing to do with it. This is all overblown. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Wexner described himself to the lawmakers as a philanthropist, community builder,
and grandfather who always strove to live my life in
an ethical manner in line with my moral compass. According
to the statement, he said, he was eager to set
the record straight about his ties with Epstein. Their relation
ended bitterly in two thousand and seven after the Wexner's
discovered he'd been stealing from them. They discovered he'd been
stealing and didn't do shit about it, didn't report him,
didn't try and get that money back, No clawback, nothing. Oh,
Epstein gave us some back. Sure he did. I've always
said and I continue to say that that was part
of the hustle, that was the escape patch. If Epstein
ever got naeled, Wexner could just say, look, he stole
from me. I was a victim too, And that's what
all these people try to do, set themselves up as
the victim. Meanwhile, there are literally over a thousand women
and girls who have been abused. But sure you're the victim.
As one of Epstein's most prominent former friends, Wexner has
spent years answering for their decades long association, and he
sought to use the proceeding to dispel what he called outrageous,
untrue statements and her full rumor, innuendo and speculation that
have shadowed him. So, if what Maria said about him
isn't true, why didn't Wexner sewer all these people are
so soon happy. Why didn't Wexner sewer? Could it be
that he doesn't want to go to Discovery? Could that
have something to do with it? I think that's the
whole story. Honestly, none of these guys want to go
to Discovery because they know they'll get crushed. Representative Robert Garcia,
a California Democrat, who sat in on Wednesday's interview, expressed
skepticism and comments to reporters gathered near the proceeding, Well, yeah,
he wasn't being honest. I don't even have to see
the transcripts to know that Wexner was being evasive. There
is no single person that was more involved in providing
Jeffrey Epstein with financial support to commit his crimes than
Les Wexner. He said, that's not untrue. As much as
I don't like mister Garcia, that is not an untrue statement.
Les Wexner is at the nexus of all of this
when we're talking about financials. In response to allegations by
prominent late Epstein victim Virginia Roberts, who claimed in court
documents that Wexner was among the men Epstein trafficked her too,
Wexner testified to utter devotion to his wife of thirty
three years, Abigail. He said he'd never once been unfaithful
in any way, shape or form. Never. Any suggestion to
the contrary is absolutely and entirely false. You know, he
never sued Virginia either, and Virginia said that he was
part of the abuse. So if somebody said that you
were abusing them and that you were, you know, part
of a trafficking ring, wouldn't you sue them? I know
I would, especially if I had the money that less
Wexner has. So why didn't he do it? If he
was so truthful and Virginia is such a liar, why
didn't he suer? I'll tell you why. Because he's a liar,
That's what I think. Wexner's name appears more than one
thousand times in the Epstein files, which does not imply guilt,
and Wexner has never been charged with any His spokesperson
said the number of mentions is not expected or unexpected
given their long running ties. Well, I agree with that.
The mentions don't mean you're guilty, but it means that
you are closer than you let on. And if his
name was mentioned a thousand times in this dump. How
many times is it mentioned in the ones they won't release?
That's the question we should be asking. Epstein first met
Leslie Wexner through a business associate in nineteen eighty six.
Oh yeah, I'm sure that's the story. It was an
opportune time for Wesner's finances. The Ohio business owner had
grown a single limited store in Columbus into a suite
of nineteen eighty's mall staples. The Limited Express Lane, Bryant
and Victoria's Secret Bath and Body Works, Abercrombie and Fitch, Lerner,
White Barn Candle Company, and Henry Bendel would follow. Wexner
told Bammakers that it was several years before he turned
over management of his vast fortune to a Epstein after
the master of Manipulator connived to gain his trust such
absolute bs the grand con Man Jeffrey Epstein. The guy
was a moron. Okay, let's just stop fucking around, go
and read the emails yourself. The guy was an absolute moron.
He gave Epstein power of attorney in nineteen ninety one,
allowing Epstein to make investments, do business deals, purchase property,
and help Wexner as he developed new aubny from a
small rural city to a thriving, upscale Columbus suburb. Epstein
had excellent judgment and unusually high standards, Wexner told Vanity
Fair in a two thousand and three interview, and he
was always a most loyal friend. Oh, a most loyal friend?
Is it? That's nice? Jeffrey Epstein the most loyalist of friends?
On Wednesday, the billionaire said he didn't circulate in Epstein's
social circle, but often heard accounts of his encounters with
other wealthy people. Everybody else was doing it, but not me.
I didn't do it. Epstein carefully used his acquaintance with
important individuals to curate an aura of legitimacy, Wexner said.
He said he visited Epstein's infamous island only once, stopping
for a few hours one morning with his wife and
young children while they were cruising on their boat. So
you're out on your yacht. I'm sure you have a
chef of your own, but sure, let's pull into Jeffrey
Epstein's island, spend one hour there eating, and leave. While
that sounds legit takes longer to dock the boat than
you spent on the Island. Huh, all right, cool. It's
interesting that mister Wexner has already begun to clarify in
his mind that somehow he and Epstein weren't even friends.
Garcia told reporters he should be very clear that the
two were very close. Per reporting, they spent a lot
of time together. In one of the newly released documents,
Epstein sent rough notes to himself about Wexner, saying never
ever did anything without informing less and would never give
him up. Another document, an apparent draft letter to Wexner,
said the two had gang stuff for over fifteen years
and were mutually indebted to each other, as Wexner helped
make Epstein rich and Epstein helped make Wexner richer. Yo
financial crimes and abundance. I'm talking about everything from money
laundering to god knows what. Wexner spokesperson said. Wexner never
received the letter, characterizing it as fitting a pattern of untrue, outlandish,
and delusional statements made by Epstein in desperate attempts to
perpetuate his lies and justify his misconduct. Or could it
be that he was memorializing the situation for himself. He
never thought anybody else was going to see those emails.
Wexner told the congressional representatives that Epstein lived a double life,
presenting himself to his wealthy clients as a financial guru
with steady girlfriends, while the most carefully and fully hiding
his misdeeds with underage girls. He knew that I would
have never tolerated his horrible behavior, not any of it,
he said. The problem is he wasn't hiding it. He
had a bunch of young girls around him all the time.
And here's something nobody else talks about, but I will.
Jean lu Brunel was sending Jeffrey Epstein fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen year old girls from South America on a regular basis.
Just go and look at the merits of Vasquez deposition.
She breaks it all down. Now, you can dispute what
she says and say you don't believe her, and I
guess that's okay. But when you look at the evidence
and put it together, it's obvious what was happening, So
less Wexner should just save it. I don't believe for
a second that somebody like Les Wexner had no idea
what was going on. Some accusers said Epstein touted his
ties to Wexner and claimed he could help get them
jobs modeling for the Victoria's Secret Catalog. One woman, an
aspiring actor and model, told the FBI that Epstein said
he was best friends with longtime Victoria's Secret owner and
that she'd have to learn to be comfortable in her
underwear and not be approved. According to a recently released
grand jury testimony, another woman said she reported Epstein to
police in ninety seven after he groped her during what
she thought was a modeling interview for the Victoria's Secret Catalog.
After Epstein's twenty nineteen arrest, Wexner's lawyers told investigators that
the businessman had heard a rumor that Epstein might be
holding himself out as connected to Victoria's Secret. Prosecutors wrote
a recently disclosed memorandum summarizing the probe. When Wexner asked
Epstein about it, Epstein denied doing so, the lawyer said.
According to the memo, Wexner did not as the specific
issue in his statement Wednesday, but repeatedly lamented being deceived
by Epstein, an abuser, a crook, and a liar. El
brand sold off Victoria's Secret in twenty twenty, in one
of Wexner's final acts as chair. Wexner did not publicly
reveal until after Epstein's arrest on federal sex trafficking charges
in July of twenty nineteen that he had severed their relationship.
In a Wexner Foundation letter that August, he said that
happened in two thousand and seven, but the Justice Department's
newly released records showed the two were in touch after that.
Oh what do you know, Les, Wexner's lying again. Come on,
these guys are actually lying about their relationship with Epstein.
Why would they do that. There's nothing to see here.
It's all just overblown, right, It's a moral panic. Fucking goofballs.
Wexner emailed Epstein on June twenty sixth, two thousand and eight,
after a plea deal was announced that would require him
to serve eighteen months and a Florida jail on a
stage charge of soliciting prostitution from a minor in order
to avoid federal prosecution. He wound up serving thirteen months.
Abigail told me the result, all I can say is
I feel sorry. You violated your own number one rule.
Always be careful Wexner wrote, Epstein re applied no excuse.
Nobody had any idea. Huh. Epstein had rules that he
violated that Wesner knew about, but he had no idea
what Epstein was up to. That's the narrative, folks, and
he's sticking to it. His spokesman said that the two
thousand and seven date Wexner cited in twenty nineteen applied
to firing Epstein as a financial advisor, revoking his power
of attorney, and removing his name from Wexner's bank accounts.
Wexner also said in twenty nineteen letter that Epstein had
misappropriated vast sums of his family's money while overseeing his finances,
and investigators. Memo from the latest document release says Wexner's
attorneys told investigators in two thousand and eight that Epstein
had to repaid them one hundred million. Wexner said in
a Wednesday's statement that Epstein returned a substantial amount of
the undisclosed total. I don't believe that. I'm sorry, I
don't believe it, and if he did, it was all
a baked and excuse. Garcia said. Congressional investigators have identified
more than one billion that was either transferred, provided in stocks,
or given directly to Wexner by Epstein, though Wexner appears
to be unaware of much of it. I'm an old man,
I don't remember. What do you want from me? Has
anybody seen my shoes and my glasses? On Wednesday, Wexner
testified he had never seen Epstein with any young girls
and acknowledged the unfathomable pain he inflicted, even as discoveries
in the Epstein files have placed new pressure on them.
Once Maria Farmer set a redacted FBI report contained in
the document released vindicated her long standing claim that she
filed one of the earliest complaints against Epstein while she
was under his employee in nineteen ninety six working on
an art project at the Wexner estate. Well, yeah, she
said that a million times, and it turned out to
be true. Meanwhile, survivors of sweeping sexual abuse scandal at
the Ohio State University are citing Wexner's association with Epstein
to try and get his name removed from a campus
football complex, and university nurses also on his name scrubbed
from the Wexner Medical Center. You blame him. Imagine walking
into work every day with that dude's name pasted on
the door. No thank you. So look, as far as
Wexner goes, this was the first step. Get him under oath.
Let's see what he has to say, and then start
digging from there, and hopefully that's what happens, because if
any should be answering questions about their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein,
Les Wexner is most certainly near the top of the list.
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