1 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,679 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about my guests this evening. I've known 2 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:29,039 Alejandro for quite over a decade now and we became 3 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,479 good friends, and he and I were on each other's show. 4 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,479 If you have listened to old shows, you would hear 5 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,759 and him over at Openminds dot Tv his UFO show. 6 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:42,640 We were trading back and forth for every show for 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,000 I don't know a few years anyway, maybe even longer. 8 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:48,520 But anyway, I'm really excited to have Alejandro on. He 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,399 has a new nonprofit that he has founded and started 10 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:56,119 that has to do with uap UFOs and this week 11 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,119 we have a truck of reports. A UFO follows him nightly. 12 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:03,280 So really interest in case again our bloggers Charles Lear 13 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:07,799 and check that out over at podcastufo dot com. And 14 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:12,840 without further ado, I'm bringing in our special guests, Alejandro. 15 00:01:13,359 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hello, Thank you. 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: It seems like it's been a while. 17 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:21,879 Speaker 2: It I'm sure it has. It just feel like a while. 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,719 Speaker 1: I think so. I'm sorry, I'm just kidding. 19 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 2: You've been This show was a while in the making. 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,359 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But so you're you're with Enigma 21 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:35,640 Labs now too, you've been there for how has it 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,799 been two or three years now. 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's coming on three years. I'll be 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,079 with them. I started as a contractor, I was full 25 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:47,799 time for a while. I'm a contractor again, but yeah, 26 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:49,840 still working with Enigma Labs. 27 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: And let's why don't you tell the audience what exactly 28 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:55,280 that is. I have the app on my phone and 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,159 I got to tell you have a really good outreach 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,519 program because I've been contacted a few times people asking 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,480 me if I want to report my sightings and stuff. 32 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:04,640 So someone knows that I had a sighting. I think 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,640 that's pretty interesting. 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we do have someone who's keeping an eye 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,759 on the Internet and looking for people who talk about sightings, 36 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,080 and then she will say, hey, you know, we've got 37 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,199 this reporting app if you want to report it here 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,479 or report at the website. And that's just really what 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,439 we're doing. We have this app where you can submit 40 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:29,719 your report and you can view reports from all over 41 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:35,039 the world. So we've ingested, you know, the reports from 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,759 older organizations, but we've also got our own sightings there. 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,840 And right now we're getting more sightings than I think 44 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:46,439 any organ has gotten before. On a regular basis. We're 45 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,240 getting hundreds a week and it's pretty exciting. So what 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,919 I'll do is I do a lot of vetting some 47 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:55,759 of the best ones that I put up on the 48 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:58,719 content feed. So when you open up the app, there's 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,759 the first icon on the box them left, and if 50 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:02,759 you click that, you'll just get a stream of some 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,719 pretty interesting videos, some of which are really kind of boggling. 52 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:11,439 And then of course you've got a world map where 53 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:14,080 you can see all the sightings around the world. We've 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,719 got a couple of tools in there for people looking 55 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:20,560 for UFOs. We have a camera in there. The camera 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,400 is really cool because if you use it, you can 57 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:26,800 see all the telemetry that your phone gives, so, in 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,039 other words, in the border, you'll see the angle your 59 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,000 phone is at, your elevation, your location, all of this 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,240 kind of metadata that's being captured with videos in the background. 61 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,319 Then when you take a video and you view it 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,159 through the app, you'll be able to get a three 63 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:48,759 D simulation of where you are on a map three D, 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,080 just like a Google three D type of map. That's 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,400 super helpful. If at night, you know you're doing a 66 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:58,159 video and you see something on the horizon, you know, 67 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:00,560 this thing will show you that, oh, maybe that was 68 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,000 a building or a mountain or something like that. When 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,240 you click the other tab for the identify tab. What 70 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,919 we've done is we've bined all of those kind of 71 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,199 really important researcher tools. So those tools I tell you 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,519 what planets or satellites or even airplanes are in the sky. 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,560 We've combined that into one app where you can point 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,759 out at the sky and see the satellites and everything 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,040 to make sure that you are looking at something unusual. 76 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:29,120 Because really the idea here is collecting data, getting videos 77 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,319 so we can analyze this so we can really make 78 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:37,720 some scientific kind of ground in understanding UAP and the 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,279 nature of them and being able to prove something come 80 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:43,720 with receipts to figure out what's going on. So it's 81 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:47,199 really exciting. It has been an Apple app thus far 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,839 limited functionality on the website, but you can submit sightings. 83 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:54,560 Although on the website we do have a library of 84 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,439 some really great articles about you know, you can get 85 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:01,120 an education on the history of this topic in the 86 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,920 library on the website. But we are working on Android 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,680 and we're pretty focused on that right now. So hopefully 88 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,839 we should have that probably by end of year, and 89 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,079 that'll be exciting because a lot of people are asking 90 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:13,360 for that. 91 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,319 Speaker 1: Well, you know this this seems I mean, it's pretty obvious. 92 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,720 This is really focuses on applications instead of on your 93 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:25,920 phone basically, which you always have with you. So it 94 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,360 does make exactly a lot of sense. And you know, 95 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:31,240 you hear here it is finally I'm having Uh my 96 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,040 computer's been asleep for a week while I've been gone, 97 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,319 and it's acting very weird and. 98 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: Slows for being a staff for a week. 99 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh, that's pretty cool website, pretty cool graphics. Yeah, yeah, 100 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,519 you see what. 101 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,439 Speaker 2: The app looks like, how easy it is to put 102 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,959 in easy and fun to put your siding in there. 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,079 And then there's the map there so you could see 104 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:56,399 all of the sightings everywhere, and of course there's a 105 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,639 ton Then you can scroll through like you see here 106 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,839 and see the videos. Uh so it's it's a it's 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,959 to me, it's a great tool. I mean we've hit 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,279 the ground running where we're constantly listening to customer feedback, 109 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,120 doing a lot of outreach. Our ratings on the Apple 110 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,439 Store are like five star. People love it, so it's 111 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,480 going really really well. 112 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: That's great. Now, does it also have like statistics like 113 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,639 you know, people are reporting you know on triangular object 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,000 or cigar shaped object, things like that. Are you can 115 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,959 you actually pull statistics out of it. 116 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: No, you can't pull any statistics yet, although on occasion 117 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:47,199 we will. We we did a blog post not too 118 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,879 long ago where we had our data scientists do some 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 of that work. What we found was kind of interesting. Uh. 120 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,680 We did find for US New Mexico was per capital 121 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 or per capita. You know, there were a lot more sidings, 122 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,560 which isn't too surprising because the Southwest in general, most 123 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,720 databases find have a lot more sightings than other places 124 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,120 in the United States. As far as shapes go, though, 125 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,279 if you click on the explore button, you're going to 126 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,680 be able to see some stats including shapes like what 127 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,519 you're saying, at least the most commonly reported shapes. And 128 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,360 in that explore area you can get more data about 129 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:36,000 your state or country in there. Yeah, if you went 130 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:39,120 to yeah, there you go, so you'll get a little 131 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,079 that'll pop up right here. 132 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 133 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,959 Speaker 2: So on the left hand side you can see what 134 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 countries have the most data. If you clicked on the 135 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,160 United States, you'd have to find it under the U. 136 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,639 Of course, then when you clicked on each state. You'll 137 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:58,839 get a little bit of stats on every state there, Yeah, 138 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,560 where you tried it out, So try out your state 139 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,319 and it'll tell you what siding. So of course it's 140 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,040 you know, which is actually kind of a good thing. 141 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,439 We're finding what we found it, move on or we 142 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,079 found it different groups. All along is that points of 143 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,279 light are by far the most reported or or luminous 144 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:25,519 balls of light. And then when it comes to others, 145 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,800 you know you've got next. The'll be like discs or triangles. 146 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:30,399 If you scroll down, I think you'll be able to 147 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:31,680 see a little bit of stats there. 148 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:33,399 Speaker 1: Oh, I see what it is. 149 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: So those are the number of signings in the different states. 150 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:37,679 And then if you click a state, you'll get a 151 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,720 little more information. And you plan to make this more 152 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,320 robust and increase our search functions. To be honest, the 153 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:53,200 search functionality has kind of it's been a little bit 154 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,600 more time in the making because we've been really focused 155 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:58,480 on the functionality and usability of the app. 156 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:02,799 Speaker 1: I have to ask you something I was I was 157 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:05,519 kind of like goofing off this last weekend. To be 158 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,399 honest with you, I wasn't really doing paying much attention, 159 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,519 but all of a sudden, I started getting these people 160 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,000 sending me all these UFO videos that were being filmed 161 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,159 I think in California. A couple of them looked really, 162 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,720 really interesting. You were familiar with what I'm talking about. 163 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that turned out to be not California. The videos 164 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,360 were from Hawaii and they were from a Pokemdel event. 165 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:32,440 But along those lines. You know, we're keeping an eye 166 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,320 out on all of the news like that, and I 167 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,679 can't but yeah, so we're keeping on I still, you know, 168 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:45,039 post news on a regular basis, at least on my 169 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,759 social media, just like I've always done. So we're keeping 170 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:51,159 an eye on the articles and what's going on out there. 171 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:55,200 And of course a lot of the news viral UFO 172 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:01,320 settings are nothing burgers but like that one. But we 173 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,240 do keep an eye out there, and sometimes a lot 174 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,159 of times we will have reports related to some of 175 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,799 these news articles, not this one. For instance, in Denver 176 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:15,399 we did with the Red Rocks, we had a video 177 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,519 that was submitted at the exact same time about ten 178 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,080 miles away. I'm convinced it's the same thing they saw. 179 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Well. I did see another one though, that I will 180 00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:30,320 tell you that was very interesting and it was a 181 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:37,639 grouping of lights, different colored lights. 182 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: I think your microphone cut off. At least I can't 183 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:46,320 hear you. Oh okay, now I can hear you. 184 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: Oh you hear me? 185 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:48,039 Speaker 2: All right. 186 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was a it was a grouping of 187 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:55,360 lights that was in a formation that was really very 188 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,320 very interesting sighting that I just just saw. I mean, so, 189 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,919 I mean it's not always news. It seems to me 190 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,279 there's a lot of activity on Twitter. 191 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:15,639 Speaker 2: Well as usual, there's activity all over the place. Yeah, 192 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:19,039 I mean, and that's exactly why we've got someone out 193 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:22,279 there letting people know that, Hey, if you see something 194 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,440 submitted to our site, and a lot of people will ask, well, 195 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,279 what the advantage is, you know, if we'll do an 196 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,919 analysis and we don't necessarily do an analysis. In fact, 197 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:33,720 if you submit a sighting just because we accept it, 198 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:36,480 and you will get an email that says we accept it, 199 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,799 it means that you know there's no cussing in it. 200 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,320 You know you didn't submit something inappropriate and it's not 201 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:47,360 a hoax. That's all we're looking out for because we 202 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:50,600 want to record all that data. I even was reviewing 203 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,919 with the team today, instances in which like California or 204 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,279 other instances in which there are hopes is made that 205 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,039 someone's you know, put some balloons up with blinking lights 206 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:06,480 inside of them. You know, we want to collect all 207 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:10,039 of that data because it then gives us we can 208 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,799 look into it, we can help people figure out that 209 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,799 it is a hoax, and then we can figure out, 210 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,519 you know, where that took place and have that historical 211 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:21,559 data there if it happens again. So you know, there's 212 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,519 a lot of value to the ninety five percent of 213 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:29,480 the report that are submitted that turn out to be 214 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,159 something mundane, that that data is still important. 215 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:37,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you and I've had the conversation many times. 216 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,240 There's enough really great stuff out there, very interesting things 217 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,720 out there that are unexplainable, and nothing really has to 218 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,000 be embellished. As long as you can cut away all 219 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,799 the you know, the miscellaneous, there's still a lot of 220 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,279 really interesting things, and you know, I'd rather know, if 221 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,759 you know. I mean a few times that I've gotten 222 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,799 really excited on my own, you know, showing this video 223 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,000 to Mark the Antonio. I didn't think it was a 224 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 drone at all, very very windy night, but he thinks 225 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,240 it's a drone, and I have to I have to 226 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,159 agree with him if because he he's so involved in, 227 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,320 you know, trying to figure that type of stuff out. 228 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and beyond that, you know, and I've got 229 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,679 an example, a couple of examples of that that we've 230 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,600 already ran across that I want to go over now 231 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:31,200 that you bring that up. But but yeah, it's better 232 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,240 to report than not, and a lot of people get embarrassed. So, 233 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,440 for example, there have been I did a video recently 234 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,440 on Open Minds about starlink because we've been getting a 235 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:47,399 lot of reports and that turned out to be starlink. 236 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,919 We've even had a couple of groups of reports that 237 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,279 made some news and I had some quotes in these articles, 238 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,240 and then later doing some more research, I found out 239 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,120 they did happen to be related to link. What is 240 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,720 confusing a lot of people is the the I can 241 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:08,200 even try to bring those up because they're really fascinating. 242 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,440 They're super fun videos because they're just incredible. Like, for instance, 243 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,120 there's a few videos where we're getting where we're getting, 244 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,960 you know, what looks like a rocket, which rockets typically 245 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,200 look like a bright light with sort of a aura 246 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:24,279 around them, which is the gas that is usually following 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,120 along with it. But all of a sudden, there's this 248 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,759 huge there's this explosion where this circular kind of thing 249 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,240 goes out of it. Actually, yeah, so those turn out 250 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,000 to be well. In particular, this one, I don't think. 251 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:42,720 I'm probably talking about something different than you're referring to. 252 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,519 But in this case, it's the second stage of the rocket. 253 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,399 The second stage has to orient itself and then it'll 254 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,559 hit its rocket to slow down so it can land safely, 255 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,360 or it doesn't land, it breaks up in the sky, 256 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,600 but any pieces left will land safely in the ocean. 257 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,960 But some people are capturing that moment and the videos 258 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,559 look extraordinary. So that's a case where you know, people 259 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,399 get embarrassed. Or there's another one, this racetrack UFOs. I'm 260 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:15,399 not sure if you've heard of this one. In fact, 261 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,279 they were in the news recently where a pilot posted 262 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,639 a video of UFOs, and just last week I think 263 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:23,639 it was it went kind of viral. That's not a UFO, 264 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,519 that's starlink. How do we know this? People like Ben 265 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,360 Hansen have been researching these these types for a very 266 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,960 long time, and he didn't know what they were at first, 267 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,840 but then they found out that it is the satellite trains. 268 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,679 When you're in an aircraft at night and you see them, 269 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,240 they can look like the one object going in a circle, 270 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,279 or a couple objects going in a circle, when they're 271 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:50,559 actually a whole train of multiple objects passing through an 272 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,799 area that is luminous where you can see them from 273 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,759 a moment from a pilot perspective, it looks really strange. 274 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,399 That's what that video was. But people don't know this. 275 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,720 And when he let pilots know that that's what this was, 276 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:05,960 a lot of them got kind of upset. Some got 277 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,399 a little embarrassed. You know, you've dealt with this probably 278 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:10,799 when you put people I think you're citing is this 279 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,039 or that? But what I try to remind people is 280 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,759 that you don't have to be embarrassed because that data 281 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:20,080 turned out to be super valuable and now we have 282 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,840 examples of this phenomena that people are seeing and we 283 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,399 can tell them what it is. And otherwise we wouldn't 284 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,480 have had that if people reported so, or hadn't had 285 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,480 reported so those reports are really important, even if it 286 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:34,960 turns out to be something mundane. 287 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:38,759 Speaker 1: Right, it seems like a lot of things happened to 288 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,799 me in the Hoteb I had my UFO sighting in 289 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,320 a hotub. 290 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:41,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 291 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,639 Speaker 1: And also there was the most incredible thing was the fireball. 292 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 That was just amazing. That was back in the eighties, 293 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,879 old late eighties. But this a few months ago down 294 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:58,360 in South Carolina. I was in a hotel again out 295 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:02,559 back and I saw and that was so cool. And 296 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,160 I did get the train. What's that? 297 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,559 Speaker 2: Did you see a train of them? Or yeah? 298 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,319 Speaker 1: It was I forget I do remember I counted how 299 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,160 many I counted. There was quite a few, all linked 300 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,240 together dot dot you know, evenly spaced apart, and I 301 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:20,119 do have some pictures and you know, while we're talking 302 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,480 and to see if I can find. 303 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, starlink has cast a lot of problems, including those 304 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,039 in particular, because the other phenomena that happens that is 305 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:34,240 fooling pilots as well is when they're launched. They launched 306 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,400 twenty of them together, so they're in a really tight group, 307 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,000 and a lot of times when people take pictures or videos, 308 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,000 they look like they're one solid luminous tube when they're not. 309 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,559 That was another one. We got one from Montana that 310 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:51,799 we got into the news and it made some news. 311 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,640 And then again I found out that that was likely 312 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,240 starlink and pilots have taken these. There was a paper 313 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,680 written by one of the new board of directors with 314 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,640 the SEU, doctor Doug Bittner, where him and Richard Griffiths 315 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,480 some others you might remember this. So essentially SEU had 316 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,160 a guy at the conference who wrote a paper on 317 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,759 this luminous object that pilot saw what turned out, you know, 318 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,160 once he got it put some of the information out. 319 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:25,720 During the SEU conference, people were like, no, that's starlink, 320 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:28,599 that's a train of starlink. So they re examined it. 321 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,400 Doctor Bittner and others, including the original scientists, put out 322 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,200 a new paper showing you're right, you know that this 323 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,559 luminous what looked to seem like one solid, large luminous tube, 324 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:44,839 was actually a train of starlink satellite. So that's another 325 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,000 thing that's happening. Yeah. 326 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: I can't seem to find that picture right now. I 327 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,640 did post it on my Facebook page, so it's it's available. 328 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:56,960 I just can't find it. But there's there's I remember, 329 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:01,680 you know, having conversations with you ten years ago when 330 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,279 we'd be saying, oh, it's gonna get worse and worse, 331 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,079 you know, with the drones and the Chinese lanterns and 332 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,400 you know, and and it's true, and I mean there's 333 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,119 just so much that looks so unusual. And yeah, those 334 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,880 the stage, the second stage, like you're talking about, in 335 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:25,160 the failed launches, those are caused such amazing bright lights 336 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,279 and you know, it looks so mysterious in the sky. 337 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,839 You know, there was that famous one in Norway, I 338 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:35,079 think it was there somewhere. Yeah, that was just yeah, 339 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,000 just amazing. 340 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,599 Speaker 2: And uh in two thousand and eight, right, this huge 341 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:40,839 spiral in the sky. 342 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, so and that I do believe that one was 343 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:47,359 a failed launch, right, yeah. 344 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because essentially what happens is it's going up that 345 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,279 fails and it had something spewing out of the side 346 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,160 which made it spin, and then that gas that spuke 347 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:02,960 created this huge spiral, that luminess at the right time 348 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,720 of the day. And that's essentially what's happening with Starlink. 349 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:08,400 And what's interesting is, you know, I went out to 350 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Huntington just a few weeks ago with Van Hansen again 351 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:14,200 and well we were out there separately, but we met 352 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,839 up with him in time to get to the beach 353 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,519 near him so we could watch a Starlink launch and 354 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:22,559 all you could see is a little bit of exhaust 355 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,920 from the rocket as it went up. It was fun, 356 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,720 it was exciting. I was happy, but it was too 357 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:32,960 early to get that huge jellyfish UFO kind of effect 358 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,880 that a lot of people get right after dusk. Is 359 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,319 when you know, it's just this isn't nature phenomena. It's 360 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:42,440 just like contrails. You have to have the right things 361 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,519 in the right place for this phenomena to manifest. And 362 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,960 especially these rocket ones are really exciting now that we 363 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:54,079 have rockets flying on a regular basis, sometimes daily. 364 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: I know, it's amazing all what Musk is doing. For one, 365 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,319 you know, I mean that that whole company has been 366 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,880 going crazy with launches, and something like. 367 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,559 Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, we had somewhere around two thousand satellites in orbit. 368 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,880 Now SpaceX alone has six thousand, over six thousand in orbit, 369 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:16,960 just to show the difference. 370 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had heard that. I can't remember what 371 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:25,200 the number is, but I heard within I think within 372 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,920 five years, I expect a bunch more than that. 373 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:33,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, is that right? They're maxing out? I think I 374 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:36,279 don't know that they've totally shared their ultimate goals, but 375 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,319 I think they want to max out around eight thousand 376 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,359 or something. They're getting pretty close, but still, you know, 377 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,640 because that those will begin to deteriorate and then they'll 378 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,880 need to replace those over time. But it's it's interesting, 379 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,200 it's and you know, a lot of people get frustrated. 380 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,480 But at the same time, the ability for some you know, 381 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:01,400 rural farmer to have high speed internet all of a 382 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,880 sudden is extraordinary. That you can get great internet anywhere 383 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960 in the world. It's a it's a give and take. 384 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:16,039 Speaker 1: Right right, here's a question for you. Here, Christian's Christopher. 385 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,319 I'm sorry, I'm having a there. It almost worked. 386 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: It worked for a second. I wasn't quick enough to 387 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:24,160 read the whole thing. 388 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here we go. There. It is wondering if 389 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,359 there's a thought to be what there's a thought. 390 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: To a Monday and explanation for a UAP. I and 391 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,319 others have seen a dark or reflective disc or triangle 392 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:43,519 at night, hard edges no lights. I know, that sounds 393 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:47,440 like a really great one. That would definitely be odd. 394 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,680 Of course, there are drones or maybe dirigibles that could 395 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:58,720 fly around with their lights off. Both are extremely well. 396 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:02,559 The latter, especially as a extremely uncommon because that would 397 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:07,440 be very unsafe, So that wouldn't be likely. The difficulty, 398 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,200 which is comes back to something our good buddy Leece 399 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,079 Biegel used to always talk about, is wouldn't it be 400 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,839 easy if these UAP didn't want to be seen just 401 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,200 to fly around with their lights off, because, for instance, 402 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,839 try to get a picture of that, you're not how 403 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,359 are you going to get any evidence that you you know, 404 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,319 you're you're experiencing this large dark object over your house 405 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,079 at night. That's going to be really really difficult unless 406 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,799 somehow you could shine a spotlight at it. So yeah, yeah, 407 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,200 that's that would be a great one. 408 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And someone just said they've heard numerous reports are 409 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,960 the same too. I've never heard of anything exactly like that, 410 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,240 you know, with that, I've. 411 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: Heard a couple of reports. I've heard reports like that 412 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,279 for sure, But you know, it's one of those tough 413 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:03,640 ones because what can you do with it? 414 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:10,039 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yep? So what is the what would you 415 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,480 say is the most you said points of light in 416 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,000 the sky is the most common, And what would you 417 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:21,720 say follows after that? Is it? Is it mostly nighttime sightings? 418 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:22,359 Is that is that? 419 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: Why? Uh, there's definitely mostly nighttime sightings. Yes, uh, and 420 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,960 of course that's what something that can get well, two 421 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 things I would say, and I'd love you know your 422 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:37,839 input as well, because you talk to so many people. 423 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,079 But it's one because it's the night, A light at night, 424 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:49,319 very easy to misidentify lights in the night sky. However, 425 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,400 at the same time, at least for me, one of 426 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,160 the most intriguing and most common reports I get, even 427 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,720 in our app are anecdotally, is that people are watching 428 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,319 what they think is a satellite and then it's zigzags, 429 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,799 or it turns and it makes it goes the other 430 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,920 direction or something like that. Those are really exciting. We 431 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,440 actually have that doctor Bitner that I referenced earlier, who's 432 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,680 an astronomical PhD and astronomical engineering. I think that's what 433 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,880 it is. I may have it wrong, but it's astro 434 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,960 something engineering. But he does a lot of work with 435 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,240 defense and otherwise. He is actually looking at one of 436 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:38,039 our cases in which it's kind of similar. It's one 437 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,720 light in the sky that normally, if it was moving 438 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,319 straight and consistently in one direction, you would just say, oh, 439 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:52,880 that's just a satellite, But this thing changes directions very quickly, 440 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,119 stops want a couple times. One time, for three minutes, 441 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,160 it just sits there in the sky and it looks 442 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,680 exactly like a star any of the other stars in 443 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,839 the night sky. Then it moves again quite a distance, 444 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,599 turns around, and then goes out of screen. That one's 445 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,880 getting a lot of people really excited, because it's hard 446 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,799 to understand what that might be. So while a lot 447 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,160 of these single light phenomena are misidentifications, and it's super 448 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,359 easy to misidentify just a single light in the sky, 449 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,640 there's also some really good cases out there that are 450 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720 just a single light as well. 451 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if I told you the Sola hundred, 452 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,839 but this last year, I went on a music cruise 453 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,559 like I've done the last few years. 454 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: And I think he did. 455 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, while I was in the I was getting 456 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,759 coffee and I looked over, and I have his picture somewhere, 457 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,160 but I look over and I recognize the guy from 458 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,359 the band the Zombies, nineteen sixties band, great band from 459 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,640 the sixties, wat of songs at time of the season, 460 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,599 stuff like that. So we started talking. It was a 461 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,440 really fun talk, and he was a really interesting guy 462 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,440 and all this, and and then he kind of asked 463 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,519 me what I did, and I said, while I do, 464 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,799 you know antiques and fine art im and appraiser and 465 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,880 all that stuff. And then I said, well then I 466 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,160 also do this really kind of unusual thing. I says, 467 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,599 I do a show on UFOs. And he goes, oh 468 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,319 my god. We were meant to meet each other. So 469 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,799 the night before, on the ship way out at sea, 470 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:30,440 he was out on they have an upper deck the 471 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,400 bands can you know, have special suites up there, and 472 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480 so he's out on the deck alone basically, and he said, 473 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,960 just like you're talking about, he said, he said, if 474 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,119 there's first he thought he saw a star, but it 475 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,319 was moving, and then all of a sudden it stopped 476 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,839 and then it went one way like that, and it 477 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,039 zigzagged a couple more times back and forth, and then 478 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,519 it shot off. And he says, it's been dying to 479 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,880 talk to someone about it. So he talked to everyone 480 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,920 in the band about it. But and he was going 481 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,039 to be on the show, but the the band there 482 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,640 was someone has a health problem. So they're they're not 483 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,759 that exciting, yeah. 484 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: You know, because Aero had even admitted that there were 485 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,880 metallic orbs that they were witnessing that they don't know 486 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,599 what they are a huge, huge tell. I think that 487 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:24,720 everybody has forgotten or ignored because everybody's head. I don't 488 00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,200 know what people are thinking in this field anymore, but 489 00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:31,519 everybody just isn't paying attention. I guess they're just chasing 490 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,519 their tails. But my point being that, you know, I 491 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:40,759 think that at the very least is something that we've 492 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:46,160 seen over time that there are potentially, I think a 493 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,920 most likely scenario that even you know, Kirkpatrick and abviy 494 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,799 Low wrote that paper that kind of talked about this too, 495 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920 the idea that perhaps there are probes or something coming, 496 00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:01,359 you know, at a distance. And if that's the phenomena 497 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,200 that you know, that's extremely interesting and I'm so excited 498 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,039 like this citing that we've talked about that doctor Bitner 499 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:15,119 is looking at and others are examining, because that's what's 500 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:17,680 really exciting about this point in time is that we've 501 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,759 you know, you and I have heard stories after story 502 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:26,480 after story. You can hear stories all day long, but 503 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:31,400 they don't get you very far. You know, it's time too, 504 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,079 and we have the ability to use technology to gather data, 505 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,960 to analyze to that data, and finally prove lay a 506 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:44,039 baseline for what is going on in this phenomena and 507 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,920 hopefully our potentially proving that there's something you know, extraordinary 508 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,240 going on, and that would be incredible and I'm really 509 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,599 excited about that and the possibility of that. And I 510 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,079 think at efforts like what we're doing with Enigma, what 511 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,319 Galileo is doing or wants to do, and others with 512 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,039 deploying systems, if NASA could get on the ball and 513 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,759 do some of the things that that NASA panels suggested 514 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,359 along with the FAA, gathering some data from pilots. Pilots 515 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,200 are out there on their own. They really have no 516 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,160 place to report. They can report to the control tower, 517 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,400 but they have no direction given to them on how 518 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,519 to report something. And that's pretty tragic. You know, that's 519 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,839 good data, that is good in getting lost. But you know, 520 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,000 at least people are listening, and that there's a I think, 521 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,119 a road to being able to gather data and make 522 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,119 some really on the books, hard discoveries that even you know, 523 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,759 mainstream science can can wrap their head around and we 524 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,440 can move off of. And I think that that's really 525 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,599 really important. So but I do think, and I would 526 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,880 tell your audience have patience, and you know when you 527 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,440 when those when you're trolling government agencies, what you're doing 528 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:18,440 so much irreparable damage. I think NASA essentially said, we 529 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,920 would like to do something, but people are just too mean. 530 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400 There's too many jerks out there, and nobody wants to 531 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,440 work in this field. And anecdotally I hear that in 532 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,720 the background when it comes to science and mainstream But 533 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,279 NASA essentially said that in their panel. That's what they 534 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,359 started with, that they were highly concerned with all of 535 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:40,440 the negativity that their panel members were just ambushed with 536 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,759 online and now. 537 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: What is it that they are They're just thinking, oh, 538 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680 you really have you know the information? You're just hiding it? 539 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,200 Is that how it all starts? 540 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: Or yeah, you know is what we all get it? 541 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,440 You even get it. I think to some degree, it's 542 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,079 just you know, you don't believe what I believe, so 543 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240 you're evil and you suck. 544 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,359 Speaker 1: So every single part I blame it on social media 545 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,880 and media and whatever because. 546 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,519 Speaker 2: It's agree I agree with youty. 547 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's political. It's especially political, I should say, 548 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,799 but it's it's politics. 549 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: It's bad, but it's bad in our field too, and 550 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,519 that's unfortunate. It's one of the worst areas where it 551 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,839 really just drives people away. Uh and it makes it 552 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,559 you know. Even doctor Bittner has been like, wow, I've 553 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,200 tried to dip my toes in social media to work 554 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,839 and you know, be open and communicate with a community. 555 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,039 But people don't want that. They just want to hate 556 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,880 on everything. So I think it's especially X but they're 557 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,799 all kind of like. 558 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:50,119 Speaker 1: That that's really that's that's really too bad. Yeah, there's 559 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680 a lot of uh, I don't even know what you 560 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,599 call it, disconnect or whatever, a lot of in the 561 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960 UFO world. And yeah, I mean I don't know why 562 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,599 people have to take sides, you know. I mean it's 563 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,599 it's kind of kind of funny. And if you don't, 564 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,240 if you don't think like we do, then like you 565 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,000 say you're bad, I'm bad or whatever. 566 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, when people get frustrated, I try to tell them 567 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,680 because I'm so pro NASA getting involved and I'm so 568 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,559 pro what NASA in a NASA panel has discussed. I 569 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,960 think it's a huge step in the right direction. I mean, 570 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,319 there's they laid down the gauntlet. They said this is 571 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,319 something worth doing and we need to do it for 572 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,799 science and for air safety. And I agree with that 573 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,880 one thousand percent. And so we need to encourage them 574 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,079 and you know, get that work started. And I think 575 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,279 that really needs to happen. For those people who are like, 576 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,119 well I already know what it is, I'm like, well, 577 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,079 that's great, because then you especially should be encouraging this 578 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,720 type of work, because either I or NASA or these 579 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,319 other people that want to do this, we want to, 580 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,160 you know, prove what's going on. And if you're right, 581 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,039 we're going to prove you right. So everybody should be 582 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,039 you know, gung ho for this sort of work. 583 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: Now, when they first said they were they were only 584 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,119 appropriating a small amount of money, do you know, has 585 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,920 anything changed with that? Now they were appropriating like one 586 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,280 hundred thousand dollars or something like that. 587 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, NASA, is that what you mean? Yes, Yeah, NASA 588 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,280 just put money aside for that panel, the UFO study group, 589 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,840 the team they put together which to write their report 590 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,079 to advise NASA on the next steps. They've written their report. 591 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,719 It's now out and essentially I kind of summarized it 592 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,159 there in a nutshell, and and that's it. NASA has 593 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:56,719 not moved on it since so of course they're embroiled 594 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719 in their own kind of incident right now with Boeing 595 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,559 and the s But I'm really hopeful that they'll move forward, 596 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,400 and people that were on that panel are still positive 597 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,199 and want to move forward. Many of them and many 598 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,559 congress people are liked what they had to say and 599 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,159 would like to move forward on. That probably makes it 600 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,679 difficult that this is an election year, but hopefully we 601 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:33,239 get some activity moving forward. The Arrow interim director was 602 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,719 the NASA liaison with aer Row, but not much has 603 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,840 happened on that front during this period of time. Hopefully 604 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,760 when someone new comes on, they'll tackle this. But like 605 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,280 I said, I who wants to take on who wants 606 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960 to sit in that hot seat where you're just going 607 00:35:53,039 --> 00:36:00,800 to be completely defamed by large swat people in the 608 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,639 public just by saying, hey, I want to look into this, 609 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,400 just by taking on that role and I you know, 610 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,760 this kind of gives people, hopefully an idea of why 611 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,760 why it is difficult. 612 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a guest on recently. I can't remember 613 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,119 who it was, but they were really excited about NASA 614 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,480 getting involved, you know, they thought it was like that 615 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,360 was more monumental than anything else that has happened in 616 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,719 the last several years. According to I'm sure you know, 617 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,199 people that listen to every show may remember who it 618 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,719 was by. 619 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 2: An easy entry for NASA getting involved is so like 620 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,679 I talked about, pilots have no recourse for reporting UAP. 621 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,920 I just did a well, I just was at the 622 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440 largest for the second year in a row, the largest 623 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,079 air show in the country, Oshcosh, where I did a 624 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:02,639 talk where I went over that topic in the details. 625 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:04,840 I'm going to have a blog out soon on the 626 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,320 Enigma site and I'll probably do a video for Open 627 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,199 Minds on this with more detail as well. But there 628 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,960 isn't a place the FAA. When they came to that 629 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,840 NASA panel, it was a guy who worked on the 630 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,880 control tower and they asked him, well, what is the route? 631 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,320 What is a pilot supposed to do to report? And 632 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,880 he essentially said, I don't know. He says, I know 633 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,840 control tower will take a report and all submitted to 634 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,000 a database, but doesn't seem like it's a database anybody's 635 00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:37,360 looking at. But he does say that's about it that 636 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,280 we and they get four or five. But this guy 637 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,639 was like, well, I want to know, and it was 638 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,599 I forget his first name, Mike, I think Gold, an 639 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,519 attorney space attorney who also worked for Bigelow for a 640 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,400 period of time that was on the panel. He said, 641 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,280 but what does a single pilot do, just you know, 642 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,519 a civilian pilot. He's like, I don't know. Well I 643 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,599 do know because I've looked it up and there's a couple. 644 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,480 If you go to the FA website, it tells you 645 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,559 either to submit to Newfork, who of course is not 646 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:09,400 a government agency, a very low funded you know, somebody's 647 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,960 just going to take the report and put it on 648 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,360 put it out there for people to see. But that's 649 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,760 about it. The other they said is if you felt 650 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,599 that there was your safety was endangered at all, tell 651 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,199 local law enforcement, which is pretty ridiculous because law enforcement 652 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,239 has nothing to do with their safety. What are they 653 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,840 going to do at that point. They don't have a 654 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,239 reporting system either, so none of that data is going 655 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,159 to go where it needs to go. If you go 656 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:43,760 to the aero website, they say civilian pilot should submit 657 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:50,480 to the piers system. Reporting system sounds great. You go 658 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,159 look up that reporting system. It's a weather reporting system, 659 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,400 has nothing to do with UAP. There's nothing in there 660 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,199 for UAP. And I can tell you from talking to 661 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,519 a bunch of pilots over the last few years, because 662 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,800 I'm so curious about this topic. And in Oshkosh, nobody 663 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,480 reports there or knows about that. But despite FAA not 664 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,079 having any rules on where to report, pilots are reporting, 665 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,239 and they're reporting to two places. One of them is, well, 666 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,440 let me go over the drone one first. So there's 667 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,920 a guy, Ralph Howard who's part of that Scientific Coalition 668 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,400 for uap cety. He felt, you know what, I'll bet 669 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,440 you a lot of people are reporting uap IS drones. 670 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,559 So he wrote a paper. The paper was accepted to 671 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:41,119 the AIAA where he reviewed what was submitted to the 672 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,719 drone submitting system, because pilots can, for safety reason, say hey, 673 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,719 we had a drone that we ran across. Here's the 674 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,400 stats about it. Well, drones aren't supposed to fly over 675 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,039 four hundred feet. He found something like two thousand cases 676 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:01,320 where drones were seen over four hundred and in fact, 677 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,159 he said he found something like another hundreds of cases 678 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,920 where the drone was much much higher than that. That's 679 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,159 a capability that is really difficult and not a commercial 680 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,119 or civilian drone. Also, many of them, the shapes were 681 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:23,800 described as orbs or things that weren't drones. So he 682 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,239 concluded that certainly, you know people are reporting UAPs in 683 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,920 the drone system. We also know, and I know the 684 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000 debrief is written an article on this, that pilots are 685 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:39,400 also reporting to the ASRS, the Air Safety Reporting System, 686 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440 which is a system they're encouraged to report on. They 687 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480 can be anonymous if they want. This is for air 688 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,920 safety issues. So if you go to the website for it, 689 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,360 you'll see a lot of information on HASMAT. So it's like, 690 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,559 you know, if you work for a company that's transporting 691 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,079 hazardous material and they're not supposed to be, you can 692 00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,400 report them here. But any air safety things you can 693 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,599 report there. And there are some files because those files 694 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:09,480 are publicly available, that people are reporting UAP there. So 695 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,480 NASA even suggested this. NASA panel said, we already have 696 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,920 this ASRS system that we do in conjunction with the FAA. 697 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719 We just need to tell pilots this is where you 698 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,679 report UAP and then have someone on the NASA side 699 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,679 that is pulling those reports and analyzing them. That's the 700 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239 easy way for NASA to get involved, and I hope 701 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,000 that's what happens. 702 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,159 Speaker 1: Wasn't Ryan Graves trying to initiate something. 703 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:42,559 Speaker 2: Realatory has been trying to initiate programs or do something. 704 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:48,239 I'm not quite sure what is current idea. Is it 705 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,440 maybe the ASRS. The ASRS is certainly others are mentioning it, 706 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,159 and it's gotten a lot of steam. I think it's 707 00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:00,800 the best place because it's already institute it. It's already 708 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,280 up and running. We can start rolling immediately. There are 709 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,800 some groups out there like Ben Hansen or are already 710 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,199 going into that system to look for cases to analyze 711 00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,079 and scrutinize. 712 00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, well it's funny someone just posted the 713 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,119 same thing. I just said, let's let's change gears a 714 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,440 little bit because you told me that you are starting 715 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,320 a nonprofit to do with UAP discovery or is that 716 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,159 what it is. 717 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: Correct, UAP discovery dot org. So it's brand new. I 718 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:44,000 just started this nonprofit. And here's the website. The website's 719 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000 pretty much done. I'm pretty proud of it, especially if 720 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,159 you go up to up in the upper right hand 721 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:56,239 corner to UAP resources yep uh, and if you click that, 722 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,280 because I've got all of the NASA data that I've 723 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,719 talked about, transcripts, videos of the NASA panel, and everything 724 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,239 that the NASA panel put out. I have government documents, 725 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,079 meaning FBI, CIA, NSA, d IA. I've got links to 726 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:18,760 all of the you know, reporting UFO reporting areas. I've 727 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,599 got research papers in there up there, so dozens of 728 00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:27,880 research papers, science research papers that are on UAP, all 729 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,840 in one place, and I update that on a regular basis. 730 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,079 And I've all got all the congressional hearings so you 731 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,880 can see all the videos, see all the supplementary data 732 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,159 that came with them. So you've got really a big 733 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,199 database here of all of the kind of mainstream science 734 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:49,079 effort to examine this topic. What you're looking right, they're 735 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,159 the Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation. That's an exciting one because 736 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,239 those are all the Galileo papers from last year. So 737 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,800 Galileo produced something like ten papers and those are all 738 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,519 right there. Yeah. For example, this one, this is, you know, 739 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:11,360 a paper on building ground observatories, something that Galileo is 740 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,920 working on a lot of really really good data. 741 00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:17,599 Speaker 1: Awesome. 742 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 2: Oh, but what is the website about. The website's primarily 743 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:29,280 about gathering data and analyzing it, not that we necessarily 744 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,480 participate in the data gathering. Uh, it's more of networking 745 00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:37,400 and getting everybody together. So for example, where do we 746 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,159 get the data? That's one of the big areas. You know, 747 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,239 there are places to get data. What I really want 748 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,599 to do though, is beyond you know, using Enigma, is 749 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,960 also get people deploying their own instrumentation suites because there 750 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,880 are affordable options for that. So helping to get that 751 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,760 shif wearing data from like Enigma with scientists and with 752 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,199 researchers so they can go over that data and just 753 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,760 like this one I've done with the Signal Mountain is 754 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,199 to hopefully turn those into research papers where scientists can 755 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,360 start to see that there's something to this phenomena and 756 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:25,039 maybe even make discoveries, novel scientific discoveries, you know, maybe 757 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,320 something even extraordinary around those. So this is like the 758 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,760 different area of places you can report UAPs. I've got 759 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,079 more than just Enigma there. But but yeah, that's essentially 760 00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,239 what it's for us to bring people together for that. 761 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,679 The other part of this is you'll see there I 762 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:48,679 do have support for professional organizations such as educators, aviators, 763 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,800 and law enforcement. And why am I focusing on those 764 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,480 just because when we're getting data, we want to be 765 00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:00,800 able to get data from the best places. Pilot and 766 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,239 law enforcement are first of all, Pilots see a lot 767 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,679 of stuff. Law enforcement is where people go to report stuff. 768 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,400 So we need to help law enforcement gather that data 769 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,559 network law enforcement together. I work with and have created 770 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,559 you know, helped create the UAPPD which was just on 771 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920 Coast to coast Sunday night. And you've had Mary Ann 772 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000 and Davon I. Yeah, but yeah, So there are a 773 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,280 couple of police officers that have started up a site 774 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,760 to do this kind of thing, and I work with them, 775 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,800 work with aviators, work with Ben. I've talked with Ryan. 776 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,920 But it's essentially to get aviators to let them know, 777 00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,079 you know, like, hey, you need a resource, here's Ryan 778 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,360 Graves place you need data, here's you needed to report something, 779 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,119 and to let them know, Hey, pilots, by the way, 780 00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:56,880 if you saw this racetrack UFO phenomenon, that's actually not 781 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,400 an anomalous thing. That's star you know, so we can 782 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,320 start to inform it and get people together to focus 783 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,119 strictly on that data gathering and analysis and you know, 784 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:17,559 in a positive cooperative way and spirit working together with 785 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,800 anybody who wants to do this sort of work and 786 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,599 gather that. I want to kind of do essentially what 787 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:30,679 NASA should be doing, but give them a model and 788 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,559 get this work rolling. 789 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the students. What's that exactly? 790 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 2: Students? Yeah, And that's another big portion is that I 791 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,679 really want to First of all, you probably get this. 792 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,360 I get this. Occasionally students want to write a paper 793 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,280 and they need information. So I've got all this information 794 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400 that I just talked about that students can get. But 795 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,280 I also created a forum where all of us can 796 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,880 talk and students can go in there and I can 797 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,000 connect them with research. More than that, I want EDGE 798 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,480 to help educators because there are some educators out there 799 00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:10,079 that are building curriculum around this topic. So they need 800 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:14,039 data and support. So I want to support them. And ultimately, 801 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,159 what I would love to do is have some student 802 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,039 organizations that are data collecting, student organizations that are building 803 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,920 software and hardware to collect data on UAP, you know, 804 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,519 maybe putting this on the roof of the school and 805 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,280 then submitting what they find, getting them connected with researchers 806 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,199 whenever they get some interesting data that can be analyzed. 807 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,800 I think we need to institutionalize this stuff. You know, 808 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:43,719 think of if most high schools had a UAP hunting 809 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,519 group where they've got cameras and systems on the roof 810 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,440 of the high school. They're going to be capturing cool stuff. 811 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,920 These kids are going to be learning software, They're going 812 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,480 to be learning all of the different sciences, because when 813 00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:58,920 we're talking about sensor systems, we're not talking about just cameras. 814 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:06,280 We're also talking about gathering weather data, magnetic data, gravity 815 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,719 in some cases when possible, other types of radiation that 816 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,760 that could possibly be read. We can build readers. Where 817 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,280 we're talking about gathering a lot of different types of 818 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,079 data and building different types of sensors. So there's a 819 00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,440 lot of different science that these kids could be learning 820 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,679 while they do this. So I really want to I 821 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,559 think it's you know, people love this topic, so why 822 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,519 not use that that interest to get kids into science 823 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,000 and at the same time hopefully find getting some data 824 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,360 where we can you know, break this case wide open. 825 00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:46,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of funny. You 826 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,800 and I have talked had talks over the years, and 827 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,119 a lot of times the talks are like, well, well 828 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,960 we ever know, you know, what's really going on. I'm 829 00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:00,880 starting to think as a time moves on that I 830 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,840 don't know if it will happen in a lifetime, in 831 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,239 my lifetime, I just don't know. I don't I. 832 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:11,079 Speaker 2: Get many reasons for it, but I think this is 833 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,440 how you do it. I think talking and talking and 834 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,360 talking and not providing any evidence is not going to 835 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,719 do it, because we've been doing that for decades now. 836 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,719 This is how we do it. And I agree with you, 837 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,280 but I'm more optimistic these days, just because there's more 838 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,159 scientists involved, and like everybody was talking about, we got 839 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,159 not NASA talking about this now. So I think I 840 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,639 want to capitalize on that if possible, before this goes 841 00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,320 away and they just you know, poo poo the whole 842 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,920 thing again. I want to try to capitalize on that. 843 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,519 And that's what UAP Discovery is all about. It's an 844 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,239 actual five oh one C three. I've got it registered 845 00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:51,960 in Arizona and so yeah, I mean it's going to 846 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,920 be it's a slow start kind of thing. I'm so 847 00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,679 focused on Enigma stuff and everything else, but you know, 848 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,440 I'm really excited about about the future. 849 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,760 Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, I'm glad to see that you're you're one 850 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,719 of the only people. I think you may be the 851 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,000 only person I know that really has a job in UFOs. 852 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,199 And I remember saying that all the way back when 853 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,400 you were with Open Minds years ago. 854 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,159 Speaker 2: But I know I've recently updated my bio and I 855 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,920 have worked. I don't know many people, if any, that 856 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:27,039 have worked one year full time in UFOs. I've worked 857 00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:31,280 over ten years, paid by a third party, full time 858 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,159 to write and research about UFOs, So that is pretty rare. 859 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,880 I'm yeah, I was gonna say lucky. I'm not sure 860 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,400 if I'm lucky, but it's interesting. It's been interesting, like 861 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,199 the starving artists, you know. I know it certainly derailed 862 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,800 my corporate career. 863 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but it's been it's been a 864 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,679 lot of fun. You know, all these years you and 865 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,599 I did how many years do you think we did 866 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,519 our shows back and forth? It had to be at 867 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,159 least three years, right, Yeah, at least. 868 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,559 Speaker 2: Time fly So it's hard to say, but you're right, 869 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,280 it was several years. 870 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. And then like 871 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,119 I'd be like working in appraisal or something and oh 872 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,599 my god, I got UFO news to do in ten minutes. 873 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, well, which is funny because during that time 874 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:26,119 I was also doing real estate at times or other things, right, 875 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,599 same kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I know. Make it work, 876 00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,840 this compulsion that just doesn't let us go. 877 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,159 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you always seem to come back to it. Well, 878 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,320 thanks so much. It's been really a lot of fun 879 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,280 as usual, chatting with you as always, And my best 880 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,000 to all the good people out there that I think 881 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,920 that I know and talk to, and and good luck 882 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,960 with the with the new nonprofit. We'll see you know 883 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400 what happens. I hope people get interested in it and 884 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,199 its information arrives, you know. 885 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, come and check out the site, use the resources 886 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,480 I think you know, if you want anything government or 887 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,840 why is it's hard to go search for the congressional 888 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,559 hearings to watch them in something very to my website 889 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,119 and get it use that tool that I provided, and 890 00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,880 then also download the app, another free tool. All of 891 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,119 this is free, steph. Anybody can use that's interested in 892 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:19,639 this topic. 893 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,559 Speaker 1: Yep, excellent, Okay, Alejandra, you take care and I'll talk soon. 894 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 2: Thanks. 895 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: Take it easy, yeah bye, No, all right, everyone, So 896 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,840 we'll be back next week with Earl Gray. The week 897 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,239 after that, we'll be blue Elizondo, so thank you all 898 00:53:36,360 --> 00:54:05,519 very much and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.