Speaker 1: Violence has a spectrum from emotional to psychological to physical,
Speaker 1: and even then on that spectrum, it has a spectrum
Speaker 1: of severity. Occasionally we find a case so horrific it's
Speaker 1: violence spreads across all spectrums, and in today's case, we
Speaker 1: definitely find that not only did a gruesome murder take place,
Speaker 1: but the violence was spread to family, friends, and online.
Speaker 1: This is the case a boss seed, McLean. My name's
Speaker 1: Ben and.
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Speaker 1: all fucking day, the entire day. This has been sitting
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Speaker 2: Now you've been whining about it.
Speaker 1: I have been, but now it's mine.
Speaker 2: It is ah my gosh. Nicole just stared at me
Speaker 2: while Yeah, I mean, what else was I supposed to watch?
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that make it better? Though? Like that you had
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Speaker 1: for today's case?
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Speaker 2: the fuck it is. Okay, be honest, I know you've
Speaker 2: told me, and well.
Speaker 1: I didn't really tell you. I told you the hook
Speaker 1: that kind of captured my attention when I found it
Speaker 1: online and I was like, oh, that sounds wild. I'm
Speaker 1: going to research it. That's all I told you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I've forgotten that, and we're I'll.
Speaker 1: In the middle of this, we'll touch on that that
Speaker 1: hook if you will. Okay. So this episode is the
Speaker 1: episode of Beside McClain, and it takes place in the
Speaker 1: heart of New York City, and within New York City
Speaker 1: lies a district of the Bronx. Now, the Bronx is
Speaker 1: home to the iconic landmarks such as like Yankee Stadium,
Speaker 1: where the New York Yankees proudly play their games. Right. However,
Speaker 1: beyond this famed sports arena, the Bronx carries a weighty
Speaker 1: reputation in terms of safety. As per recent statistics from
Speaker 1: Neighborhood Scout, the Bronx falls within the fourteenth percentile for
Speaker 1: safety nationwide as of twenty twenty three, marking as one
Speaker 1: of the more dangerous regions across the United States. Ok
Speaker 1: So it's got a reputations. It's tough to be in
Speaker 1: the Bronx, Okay. Now, many people who do call it home, though,
Speaker 1: are passionate about their city and they have very strong
Speaker 1: love for it. Which love. Now within the Bronx is
Speaker 1: where our story today does take place. And we go
Speaker 1: back to February of twenty thirteen, so we are going
Speaker 1: back just over ten years ago, which I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's February now, so that it'd be eleven years ago. Sorry,
Speaker 1: my math there was off a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I was calling myself on it.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, So the people of New York began their
Speaker 1: day just like any other you know, buses, cars and
Speaker 1: subway routes where we're all filling up with passengers making
Speaker 1: their way about the city and heading to work. Many
Speaker 1: people were walking the streets and in true New York fashion,
Speaker 1: they were minding themselves head down, doing their own thing
Speaker 1: in their own world.
Speaker 2: Big city fashion.
Speaker 1: Ain't and New York is one of the biggest cities
Speaker 1: there is, especially with that big city attitude, right yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's like you can go like
Speaker 1: Tokyo and stuff like, if you really compete with cities
Speaker 1: around the world, I'm sure there's bigger, But as far
Speaker 1: as the United States go, New York is it's called
Speaker 1: a big apple for a reason, right, really yep. So, however,
Speaker 1: it was hard to turn a blind eye, even if
Speaker 1: you are just minding your own business to the horrifying
Speaker 1: discovery that came to light on this morning. Someone was
Speaker 1: walking their dog during their morning routine at about four
Speaker 1: point thirty, and it was then not the dog began
Speaker 1: sniffing insssedly some garbage bags in the sidewalk, some garbage
Speaker 1: bags that were sitting there waiting for collection. Now, in itself,
Speaker 1: this isn't exactly anything extraordinary. Garbage often contained scraps of food,
Speaker 1: for example, which could capture a dog's attention pretty easily, right,
Speaker 1: But something about this was different. The dog wasn't letting up.
Speaker 1: Now upon closer look, the person who was walking their
Speaker 1: dogs saw a gruesome sight. Their dog was sniffing at
Speaker 1: a dismembered human limb underneath some piled garbage.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, so authorities were of course called immediately and the
Speaker 1: block was surrounded.
Speaker 2: What kind of limb exactly? Gosh?
Speaker 1: I saw a couple different reports, and most of them
Speaker 1: just said limb. One of them said an arm, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't clarify. So all I know is a human limb.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember me because I've been to New
Speaker 2: York once coming back and telling you about like the garbage.
Speaker 1: I think so, because I can actually.
Speaker 2: Vividly remember, like it was like night, I'm walking down
Speaker 2: the street and and the restaurants and just I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's still like that, but they just had
Speaker 2: like their bags just kind of on the side of
Speaker 2: the sidewalk, like so much garbage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then collection comes around grabs a bags on
Speaker 1: the truck.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was just like, oh, because
Speaker 2: our city isn't really like that at all. Like our garbage,
Speaker 2: I guess, is a bit more contained.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, well, in a big city
Speaker 1: like that, it's really hard to just have city garbage cans.
Speaker 2: Well totally, yeah, so I get it. But I just
Speaker 2: I'm like walking down the street now and I can
Speaker 2: picture this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I say, can you picture an arm
Speaker 1: thrown in that pile? Too?
Speaker 2: No? Thank goodness, that's a good thing. Now.
Speaker 1: The authorities, of course, searched the trash pile, and they
Speaker 1: began searching other trash piles up and down the street,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it was. Just like you're talking
Speaker 1: about on the side walk, piles of trash bags just
Speaker 1: waiting for collection that morning. It's not like it's just
Speaker 1: like garbage just strewn about it. It's a pile. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be collected in a few hours sort of thing. Yeah. Absolutely, Now,
Speaker 1: what they found were the remains of a woman. Piece
Speaker 1: by piece. They found her hacked and cut pieces scattered
Speaker 1: in get garbage bags across multiple piles. They found her
Speaker 1: decapitated head, her right leg, torso and hands and arms.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: All of her remains were found within the same area
Speaker 1: around Eagle Avenue, one fifty eighth Street, one fifty sixth Street,
Speaker 1: and Caldwell Avenue. The dismembered body and remains, some of
Speaker 1: which were still wearing the clothing articles that the individual
Speaker 1: was slain in, would soon be identified as a forty
Speaker 1: five year old woman by the name of Tanya Bird.
Speaker 2: That's brutal. So they kind of seemed like they went
Speaker 2: about trying to hide this, but they did arable job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were hoping that the body would just get
Speaker 1: thrown out with the garbage, and I mean it clearly didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, they went to the length of at least I guess,
Speaker 2: going around putting it in different piles.
Speaker 1: They did, but still all within about one block.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really it didn't go very far.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also that is so sad too that you're
Speaker 2: like take someone's life and then you're.
Speaker 1: Just out with the trash, like with the garbage. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: Now I do want to say, like, can you literally
Speaker 1: imagine just walking your dog one morning and just oh,
Speaker 1: human arm.
Speaker 2: That's honestly a worst night mare of mine.
Speaker 1: Is it really?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I freak.
Speaker 2: I think about sometimes or dogs finding something that I
Speaker 2: would not want them to find.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've come back with like bones and stuff before,
Speaker 1: but it's usually like because.
Speaker 2: We're in like a moost or deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're out in the country and it's like there's
Speaker 1: hunters around that, like they throw discard from up a
Speaker 1: game kill, you know, when the bush once in a while,
Speaker 1: and they come back with like a bone that's been
Speaker 1: there for a year or two and keep it.
Speaker 2: Question, do you ever examine what they find and would
Speaker 2: you know if it was something other than a wild animal?
Speaker 1: Usually yeah, because it's generally very obvious that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a big ass bone that's from a moose or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, No, you're right, because thinking about it, I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: I don't really examine the bones, but yeah, they're usually
Speaker 2: generally quite a bit bigger.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this woman, Tanya Bird, who is found she
Speaker 1: had been dismembered and stuffed inside several separate heavy duty
Speaker 1: garbage bags and added to the piles. But even within
Speaker 1: those garbage bags, she was then stuffed inside multiple Duffel
Speaker 1: bags as well, and of course dispersed for disposabal on
Speaker 1: the disposal on the piles, so police soon contacted Tanya's family.
Speaker 1: They also found that her son, Beside McLean, had reported
Speaker 1: her missing at the precinct in the Bronx just the
Speaker 1: day prior. He told police about how he hadn't been
Speaker 1: able to contact his mother for at least the day,
Speaker 1: which was very unusual for her. See, Tanya had another
Speaker 1: son who was six years old and had down syndrome.
Speaker 1: She was always making sure that she provided the care
Speaker 1: that she needed for him, and that's what she lived for,
Speaker 1: That's what she did. She was to be there for
Speaker 1: her son and taking care of him. Now, the son
Speaker 1: the authorities were talking with besied continue to tell them
Speaker 1: everything he knew, including how a former boyfriend of his
Speaker 1: mother's dropped by on Monday and that this was the
Speaker 1: last time that he saw her to quote him quote
Speaker 1: he came over yesterday and walked out with her in
Speaker 1: the morning yesterday morning. Tanya's sister, Cassandra believed that her
Speaker 1: sister's allegedly abusive ex boyfriend was responsible for the horrific
Speaker 1: murder and dismemberment of Tanya.
Speaker 2: Okay, can I ask a question quickly. Is that the
Speaker 2: same boyfriend that the sun?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, yeah, And to quote Cassandra, Tanya's sister quote,
Speaker 1: I told my sister to stay away from him, but
Speaker 1: she said he's harmless and not to worry.
Speaker 2: Oh, he sounds like bad news.
Speaker 1: Cassandra also described her sister as a loving mother and
Speaker 1: being very devoted to her son and his needs. He
Speaker 1: was the joy in her life.
Speaker 2: Oh man child.
Speaker 1: Basid also provided photographs of his mother from his phone
Speaker 1: to police. This helped them able to confirm that Tanya
Speaker 1: was in fact the victim they found because they were
Speaker 1: looking at missing reports along with the decapitated head they
Speaker 1: found and now linking it with the photo he provided.
Speaker 1: And at first of what seems that the family was
Speaker 1: willing to help and find Tanya in any way that
Speaker 1: they could. I mean, he's showing photos. There was a
Speaker 1: missing report, right, they did, They did all they could.
Speaker 1: They're talking with officers in regards to whatever questions they
Speaker 1: ask and everything. But something was standing out for the
Speaker 1: officers from the moment that they actually stepped in to
Speaker 1: their home and began talking to him. You see the
Speaker 1: home reeked of bleach.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, okay, oh right, away, you would just
Speaker 2: be like the fuck.
Speaker 1: Yep, Oh no, So you have someone who's dismembered.
Speaker 2: Which would be a brutal mess.
Speaker 1: And what do you use to clean up blood?
Speaker 2: Bleach?
Speaker 1: Bleach. So they walk into the home where she lived
Speaker 1: and they're saying, oh, yeah, she went missing yesterday. We
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to her. Maybe this guy we're
Speaker 1: going to offer you a person to look into. While
Speaker 1: you're standing here being like, uh huh, why the fuck
Speaker 1: does smell like bleach.
Speaker 2: In your gosh? Because like sometimes, i mean, some people
Speaker 2: still use bleach for like their laundry and oh and everything,
Speaker 2: but it's it's not a super common smell that you're
Speaker 2: that you would just notice going into someone's house, or
Speaker 2: it would be like pretty faint or whatever, like you know,
Speaker 2: they're just using a bit of bleach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you use a little bit of bleach in
Speaker 1: your laundry or if you're cleaning up your counter or
Speaker 1: something like that, you're not using like a gallon of
Speaker 1: fucking bleach to make your whole house smell like it
Speaker 1: unless you used it like five minutes earlier. But usually
Speaker 1: it's like a little spray bottle or something like that.
Speaker 1: You're just cleaning up a little bit or like you say,
Speaker 1: a little bit in your laundry, things like that.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: But even still many people, and I believe this was
Speaker 1: an apartment complex, they wouldn't have laundry in their.
Speaker 2: Unit, right, brutal.
Speaker 1: Now the investigation into the home, of course, quickly began.
Speaker 1: They now had warrants because I mean, this is where
Speaker 1: she lived. She's dead, so it's like we need to
Speaker 1: search her fucking home, right, So as they were looking
Speaker 1: for evidence and the whole home, they they certainly found evidence,
Speaker 1: They found the equipment that was used to carve up
Speaker 1: Tanya's body, and eventually they even found some extremely gruesome
Speaker 1: photos on Besieed's phone.
Speaker 2: What the shit the sun is? That the sun?
Speaker 1: That's the sun? So while executing a search warrant and
Speaker 1: searching his phone, they found images where Basid had posed
Speaker 1: and taken selfies with his own mother's lifeless and dismembered body.
Speaker 1: One in particular, he was posing in front of a
Speaker 1: bathroom mirror. You know how you like take a selfie
Speaker 1: in a bathroom mirror, right, He was doing that while
Speaker 1: holding up the bloody head of his mother like a trophy.
Speaker 1: His decapitated mother's head. He's holding it up and using
Speaker 1: his phone to snap a photo as a keepsake.
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, is he okay?
Speaker 2: Like, uh uh, I don't think I can ever take
Speaker 2: a selfie again.
Speaker 1: Well, the worst part here in the photo you can
Speaker 1: see he's got a smirk on his face while.
Speaker 2: Posing and he killed his mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the holy shit. The smirk though, is the most
Speaker 1: disturbing factor to me particular. I mean, of course, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, he's holding up a decapitated head of
Speaker 1: his mother, but he's fucking smirking at the same time.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, that ik. There has to be something
Speaker 2: like I'm wondering wrong with him well, or like he
Speaker 2: has something.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll get into some of this stuff, don't worry.
Speaker 1: But now this is where some rumors have floated around
Speaker 1: online regarding this case, and this is where that hook
Speaker 1: lured me in. Okay, So, allegedly Beside had taken this
Speaker 1: selfie and posted it online to one of his social
Speaker 1: media platforms even before police were ever involved. So typically
Speaker 1: people say that the platform he posted it was on
Speaker 1: Facebook or something because only friends and family saw it.
Speaker 1: So there someone immediately saw the photo and reported it,
Speaker 1: and Facebook took the photo down for violence, and that
Speaker 1: is how he got caught. Some version of the story
Speaker 1: state that the authorities never actually saw the unblurred version
Speaker 1: of the photo, because the blurred version is readily available online,
Speaker 1: Like right now, you can go look it up and
Speaker 1: it's blurred. You cannot see ahead whatsoever, but you can
Speaker 1: clearly see him, see him, he's holding something up and
Speaker 1: you can see thet.
Speaker 2: It's actually his mom's.
Speaker 1: Head, it is. But some say that police were never
Speaker 1: able to see the unblurred version because Facebook deleted it
Speaker 1: so fast. Regardless of this version, I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: those claims are false. I could not find any article
Speaker 1: or evidence that alleged the photo had been posted online.
Speaker 1: The only reports that I have found are where the
Speaker 1: authorities find the images on his phone. So this is
Speaker 1: where I was lured in because I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: someone like decapitate their mother and posted photos to Facebook
Speaker 1: sort of thing. That's false. He did those things. He
Speaker 1: did take the photo, but posting it online, as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, never happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it's still like next level what he did.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, don't get me wrong. It's fucked.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine that's the way that you would find
Speaker 2: out that like a loved one or friend had died. Oh, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know if your life would ever be the
Speaker 2: same after if that had been the truth.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You just see a photo of
Speaker 1: your loved one's head being held, Oh.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh by their son. I'm like, this case
Speaker 2: is like mortifying.
Speaker 1: Oh it is. Now you understand why I captured my
Speaker 1: attention so fast on them? Yeah, so besied though moving on,
Speaker 1: he was let out of the house in handcuffs. Of course.
Speaker 1: Now in the apartment, it was found that Beside's little
Speaker 1: brother was also present during the attack and the dismemberment.
Speaker 3: What but he was six, He was six.
Speaker 1: Years old, and he has down Fortunately he did not
Speaker 1: see any of it directly, so he did not witness it,
Speaker 1: though he was there when it occurred.
Speaker 2: That is so disgusting, so disgusting. But also in my mind,
Speaker 2: I cannot turn off being in that home and like
Speaker 2: doing the whole black light situation because I imagine that
Speaker 2: there would.
Speaker 1: Be a lot, a lot. Now why Beseied did what
Speaker 1: he did is heavily speculated, but the most accepted motive
Speaker 1: that he had was that he or sorry that we
Speaker 1: have is that he allegedly held a massive amount of
Speaker 1: resentment against his mother because Basied was raised in foster
Speaker 1: care as a child while his mother, Tanya, battled with
Speaker 1: drug addiction. Oh okay, so he eventually came back to
Speaker 1: live with her and his younger brother when he was
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, once she had cleaned up and become
Speaker 1: more of a present mother. But once Beside was living
Speaker 1: with them, he was later suspected of abusing his younger brother,
Speaker 1: whose body began displaying bruises and other signs of abuse.
Speaker 2: Gosh, this guy's just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He's abusing. And I mean at the time, his younger
Speaker 1: brother six Yeah, I'm presuming this has been going on
Speaker 1: for quite some while. So his six years and younger
Speaker 1: brother with Down syndrome, he is abusing. I'm sorry you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything you can do to
Speaker 1: get any lower than this.
Speaker 2: Dude, Like this is like fucked the kid having Down
Speaker 2: syndrome or not. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, like I feel like people who have Down syndrome
Speaker 2: are just like just the joy, They just have so
Speaker 2: much joy. Oh yeah, and like, I just can't imagine.
Speaker 1: There's that one one comedian, fuck, I can't remember his name.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: I was just watching a clip of him like an
Speaker 1: hour before this podcast, because he was a SNL just
Speaker 1: the other night, Shane Gillis. I think. Anyways, he has
Speaker 1: family with Down syndrome, and he's got these these bits
Speaker 1: and everything, and he compares like his uncle Danny I
Speaker 1: think his name was. He's like, they're like dogs, they're
Speaker 1: just having like a great fucking time, like consistently, they're
Speaker 1: just always fucking happy. Yeah, And like he's right, they're
Speaker 1: just consistently happy. They're a fucking light in the world. Literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's yeah. They they do bring a lot
Speaker 2: of joy, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Now Besied, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: didn't bring very much joy in this world. He brought
Speaker 1: a lot of fucked up shit.
Speaker 2: Instead of kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Basid was apparently extremely jealous for the attention
Speaker 1: that his mother was giving his younger brother, uh, and
Speaker 1: it is believed that he took out much of his
Speaker 1: aggression on him whenever he had the opportunity. Now, Besie's grandfather,
Speaker 1: James McLean, said that his grandson Besied often did destructive
Speaker 1: things and had trouble. He was They always had trouble
Speaker 1: kind of controlling him as a kid. As he grew
Speaker 1: into adulthood, his actions only became worse, and he was
Speaker 1: now a grown man with grown man strength to carry
Speaker 1: out the destructiveness. Okay, because of who Baside had become,
Speaker 1: Tanya herself was terrified of her own son. Recently, he
Speaker 1: was put on probation actually after attacking two police officers
Speaker 1: with a knife in twenty ten. He was a dangerous
Speaker 1: man and it was only a matter of time until
Speaker 1: he took violence out in their home. It was reported
Speaker 1: that the snapping point that caused the attack was when
Speaker 1: Tanya asked her son, who was at the time twenty
Speaker 1: three years old, to grow up and move out of
Speaker 1: the apartment and become a man. Frustrations had been growing
Speaker 1: in the home since the three of them Tanya and
Speaker 1: her two sons all shared a bedroom in the small apartment.
Speaker 1: Basied had gotten out of control. By this point. It
Speaker 1: was no good for them to be around him.
Speaker 2: Well, especially if she's in her home and she's like afraid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can totally understand she's afraid, not only
Speaker 1: for her safety. The younger one is clearly being abused. Yep,
Speaker 1: so I can understan stands wanting him to move out
Speaker 1: clearly well.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like she had him there for about
Speaker 2: five years or so, which.
Speaker 1: Yeah, moved in her eighteen. He's twenty three now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is plenty of time for him to hopefully
Speaker 2: try to you.
Speaker 1: Know, get shipped together no one. Yeah, Now, I do
Speaker 1: want to say this, I understand, like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to just be like, hey, get the fuck out of
Speaker 1: my house because you're old enough now, like people can
Speaker 1: live with whoever for however long age isn't a factor totally, yeah,
Speaker 1: or it shouldn't be a factor anyways. But the fact
Speaker 1: remains is he's dangerous as fuck. He needs to get out,
Speaker 1: and like you said, five years is a long time
Speaker 1: to put up with a dangerous individual and give.
Speaker 2: Them a chance, well, especially if they are affecting your
Speaker 2: other like your well being and your other kids well being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, However, instead of respecting what she was asking to
Speaker 1: move out instead, he decided to you you know, just
Speaker 1: I don't know, murder her in cold lie.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So after stabbing her to death. He then dismembered
Speaker 1: her body with the assistance of another man.
Speaker 2: Another man.
Speaker 1: The second man would soon be identified as one of
Speaker 1: Beside's friends, twenty six year old William Harris.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, what kind of friend just helps you do
Speaker 2: that kind of shit?
Speaker 1: No kidding. So together the two of them went to
Speaker 1: the hardware store in the Bronx and purchased an electric
Speaker 1: black and decker powersaw.
Speaker 3: Oh my gloves wow. Okay.
Speaker 1: From there, they returned home and began the bloody process
Speaker 1: of cutting up Tanya's body into smaller pieces.
Speaker 2: Why the fuck are they cutting the body up? I
Speaker 2: guess it's just to make it more manageable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, easier to dispose of. I guess.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just think that's so disturbing.
Speaker 1: But I also have a quote directly from besieed that'll address.
Speaker 2: That later, Okay, So I want to know.
Speaker 1: Probably not. Surveillance video outside the apartment building shows both
Speaker 1: Beside and William carrying numerous bags out of the building's
Speaker 1: elevator before wheeling them away in a shop cart down
Speaker 1: the street, and then of course not returning with them
Speaker 1: later afterwards, when they were done cutting her up and
Speaker 1: disposing of her remains, they returned and began cleaning the
Speaker 1: murder scene with Bleach. They however, didn't do the best job,
Speaker 1: as there were still blood evidence and stains to be found.
Speaker 1: Twenty three year old Beside McLain was of course arrested
Speaker 1: and charged with the murder of his mother. William Harris
Speaker 1: was also arrested on charges of unlawful dissection of a
Speaker 1: human body and hindering prosecution during the interrogation. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not too sure what he did to pertain that hindering
Speaker 1: prosecution during the interrogation part, but it was a charge
Speaker 1: that he was being charged with.
Speaker 2: It is no.
Speaker 1: Surprise to me. I mean, while being questioned by the authorities,
Speaker 1: what do you think they did? Pointed the finger at
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I I was gonna say lied, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, no beseeds, like William did it and William's
Speaker 1: like beceied did it? Well?
Speaker 2: But see, it's a freaking idiot, because I'm sorry, who
Speaker 2: the hell would think William did it right? The whole Okay,
Speaker 2: I can't stop shaking my head to this case. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've noticed, but I've noticed. It's just, yeah,
Speaker 2: my head is on a swivel right now, because this
Speaker 2: is so so messed up.
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to clarify at this point, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if they had the photos off his phone
Speaker 1: just yet, so in a in a linear fashion of
Speaker 1: the story, I don't know if they quite have the
Speaker 1: warrant for his phone right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still, but still, I don't think anyone think
Speaker 2: it's the friend over the kid, probably right, especially this
Speaker 2: kid's history. And I just have to mention too, so
Speaker 2: the whole time that they are dismembering and then packing
Speaker 2: up her body and like going and spreading it to
Speaker 2: other garbage piles, the little six year old brothers just like.
Speaker 1: At home, correct, So I'm sure.
Speaker 2: And having no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would have had some idea because they
Speaker 1: dissected her body and then left and came back to clean,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure he would have seen the apartment bloody
Speaker 1: as fuck.
Speaker 3: Oh no, just say, for.
Speaker 1: The sake of the argument, they put him in the
Speaker 1: bedroom while they're cutting.
Speaker 2: Her up, okay, because you can't even be sleeping through this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but there's the points when they leave the
Speaker 1: apartment that he probably would have had free rein and
Speaker 1: would have been able to see the murder scene. So
Speaker 1: as far as I'm pointing fingers at each other, let's
Speaker 1: get back on track. Basid claimed that he left the
Speaker 1: apartment at around three am on Monday morning to withdraw
Speaker 1: some cash. However, when he returned, he found his friend,
Speaker 1: who I presume he was stating, was left at the apartment,
Speaker 1: William Harris, had stabbed his mother to death in his absence.
Speaker 1: William was known to the police. He had a history
Speaker 1: with arrests, holding a criminal record of twelve prior arrests.
Speaker 1: Now from here, William had that and threatened to kill
Speaker 1: both him and his younger six year old brother if
Speaker 1: he didn't help dispose of the body. So Baside helped. Huh,
Speaker 1: that's his story.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I didn't realize. I guess well, I
Speaker 2: didn't think William was a real winner, but I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how much of a shit show he was too.
Speaker 1: So well. William, however, painted a different picture. He claimed
Speaker 1: that Paside had already killed his mother by the time
Speaker 1: that he had found out about it. Baside had shown
Speaker 1: him pictures of her body on his phone, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know, actually he had yep, Selfie's yeah, and he
Speaker 1: showed them to him while he was on the subway
Speaker 1: with them, and there he had begged his friends, his
Speaker 1: friend to help get rid of her remains. So at
Speaker 1: this point she's not dismembered. They're on the subway together.
Speaker 1: So she's dead in the apartment alone with her sticker.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, I I yeah, this is just
Speaker 2: get getting worse. I need another hot chocolate. This is unreal.
Speaker 1: It's fucked. Now. We already know that Pasid had these
Speaker 1: photos on his phone, so I mean, it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: to discern which story is more believable. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: right around this point is probably when they got the
Speaker 1: search warrant for his phone, or they may have already
Speaker 1: had his phone but searching it. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: by now they definitely have the photos. Eventually, though the
Speaker 1: story didn't didn't matter that the Seed was trying to paint.
Speaker 1: The Seed would ultimately confess to the crimes after police
Speaker 1: found a shower curtain missing at his apartment. The shower
Speaker 1: curtain was later found wrapped around his mother's body parts
Speaker 1: in one of the bags that was dumped in the
Speaker 1: curb for collection.
Speaker 2: I have to say to Kate, two really quick things here.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that they were even able to find this
Speaker 2: bought like in the garbage so quickly and stuff before
Speaker 2: any of it was collected, you know, like that almost
Speaker 2: seems like a small miracle.
Speaker 1: Well it was four thirty, am. Well, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that person wasn't walking their dog. Yeah, mabe,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I feel like it could very easily have just been
Speaker 2: taken away. Yeah, my gosh, I can't even Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this is the other thought. The other thought is I'm
Speaker 2: actually shocked that he didn't kill his brother too thinking
Speaker 2: about this and how much of a terrible person he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, he could have very well, and if
Speaker 1: he did, harbor resentment towards.
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, he already was abusing him, right, So I'm
Speaker 2: actually a little bit shocked.
Speaker 1: No, you have a good point there. Actually I never
Speaker 1: even thought of that now in court though, but Seed
Speaker 1: would later, you know, make his appearance there, and apparently
Speaker 1: as he showed up in court, he was wearing a
Speaker 1: garbage bag, and according to his defense attorney, he had
Speaker 1: began begun urinating on himself and had no other clothing.
Speaker 1: So he showed up wearing a garbage bag?
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So the defense attorney continued and stated that Beside
Speaker 1: was off his medication and that his client was going
Speaker 1: to be under psychiatric evaluation. You don't say, however, he
Speaker 1: never did elaborate on what that medication was exactly. To me,
Speaker 1: this seems like a ploy to paint insanity in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: We'll have you walk in garbage bed.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, So would a lawyer actually do that?
Speaker 1: I mean a desperate attempt for the for him to
Speaker 1: get his client to basically, you know, get away with
Speaker 1: murder because hey, insanity, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this person really needs to be kind of
Speaker 2: behind bars for quite a while. Yeah, to put it quite.
Speaker 1: Nicely, actually, And I do want to say that the
Speaker 1: whole like ploy to paint insanity thing, that that's my speculation.
Speaker 1: That's not anything I read. This is me saying that
Speaker 1: seems suspicious to me. It's one thing to say he's
Speaker 1: off medication. It's another to say psychiatric care. But it's
Speaker 1: a whole other thing to say walk in the courtroom
Speaker 1: wearing a garbage bag. Will say you are pissing yourself
Speaker 1: and we have no other clothes. What kind of fucking respectable,
Speaker 1: fucking lawyer would allow their client to walk into the
Speaker 1: courtroom in a fucking garbage bag.
Speaker 2: Because I think there would be another way to deal
Speaker 2: with that, Like you're exactly something else you would think if.
Speaker 1: I were that lawyer, I'd be talking to the judge. Judge,
Speaker 1: this is a situation. Give me ten minutes so I
Speaker 1: can run down the fucking street and buy this dude
Speaker 1: some fucking pants. Yeah, because no way am I going
Speaker 1: to let my client walk in here in a garbage bag.
Speaker 2: That's very true. Yeah, And I mean if you explain
Speaker 2: that I feel like to the judge, they would grant
Speaker 2: you those ten fifteen minutes or what.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But I also do very much think that there's something
Speaker 2: going on here. You know that he like that being
Speaker 2: off his meds thing makes some sense.
Speaker 1: Well, anything I could find regarding those medications that that's
Speaker 1: all I know. There was no other mention of medications whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But I see, my thought process is, you can't do
Speaker 2: shit like that if you're just like totally sane. I
Speaker 2: can't fathom that some one would just be able to
Speaker 2: kill their parents.
Speaker 1: Do you have a point? Now? Initially, though Basied, continued
Speaker 1: to press his innocence in the courtroom, shouting I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. I don't need anything at all. And
Speaker 1: I'm assuming in response to needing anything at all, he's
Speaker 1: referring to psychiatric evaluation, Well he.
Speaker 2: Does need some clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. His legal team continued and argued that he was
Speaker 1: mentally ill and did not know what he had done wrong.
Speaker 1: They went as far as holding up a photo of
Speaker 1: Tanya and her severed head build up by her son
Speaker 1: in the courtroom for jurors to see. Besieed's legal representative
Speaker 1: Lynn Klvaka asked, quote, does this look like someone who
Speaker 1: knows what he is doing is wrong? Which is a
Speaker 1: fair point, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, totally makes
Speaker 1: sense someone holding up a decapitated head smirking like that
Speaker 1: when it's the mother, that doesn't seem like someone who
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: However, in the same argument, I think that smirk on
Speaker 1: his face in the photo says he knew exactly what
Speaker 1: he did and he was fucking proud of it.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, you know how lots of terms
Speaker 2: I've said I've wanted to be on a jury. Yeah
Speaker 2: that not now, I don't know, because that I don't
Speaker 2: think is an image that anyone should really have to see. No,
Speaker 2: like that's brutal. I agree, huh, but I guess they
Speaker 2: had to kind of show that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Gosh, h well.
Speaker 1: The defense continued and argued that the client is a
Speaker 1: mentally ill man suffering from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. They
Speaker 1: stated that he had been hearing voices since he was
Speaker 1: a child and that incarceration would do nothing to help him.
Speaker 1: A tape would later be played in the courtroom as well,
Speaker 1: one where Besied admitted to butchering his mother. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: and this is where I said that we would touch
Speaker 1: on the butchering thing. So quote, if you don't have
Speaker 1: the stomach to cut them up after killing them, then
Speaker 1: you're a coward.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh man, they.
Speaker 1: Have that on recording.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is just.
Speaker 1: Why did he cut her up? Is it just for
Speaker 1: you know, easier discardment or is there a little more
Speaker 1: at play? Is it more of a flex is it
Speaker 1: more of a in fact infatuation with I'm fucking manly
Speaker 1: and I can do this and it doesn't bother me, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll continue. See you can just kind of put
Speaker 1: your head down first set. But sid was later found
Speaker 1: guilty of second green murder, and before he was sentenced,
Speaker 1: Beseied said this quote, whatever sentence you'll give me doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It was something that happened. I did it. I apologize.
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds like a very sincere apology.
Speaker 1: Right. So, since he was found guilty of second degree
Speaker 1: murder and his following sentence that he received of twenty
Speaker 1: five years to life in prison, I am assuming, though
Speaker 1: I did not find any documentation of it, I am
Speaker 1: assuming that he went through psychiatric evaluation and was found
Speaker 1: fit to stand trial.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, he's young. He's probably gonna get out.
Speaker 2: And I am a little bit surprised by the second
Speaker 2: degree in a sense. I mean I sort of feel
Speaker 2: like it should been first.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember which ones which anymore.
Speaker 2: Again, I thought, first is like first, as you planned it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're saying you didn't necessarily plan it, And he
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, fit of rage, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: think you're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think there was any premeditation within this,
Speaker 1: because I mean, she said something and he.
Speaker 2: Was like, okay, I guess he wasn't like the previous
Speaker 2: night planning out it. No, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So on the day of the sentencing, though, some of
Speaker 1: the family members spoke publicly about what had happened. Besied
Speaker 1: seventy five year old grandfather James said he would forgive
Speaker 1: him for killing his mother, but would never forget it.
Speaker 2: Well, geez, I'm surprised he even said he'd forgive him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, besieged sister Porsche Up, sorry, Porsche said. She said
Speaker 1: that he destroyed her faith in humanity by taking away
Speaker 1: the one person in her life who believed in her.
Speaker 1: Cassandra McLean, Tanya's sister, said that her nephew was a
Speaker 1: danger to society and she'd be jailed for life. If
Speaker 1: he could do this to his own mother, imagine what
Speaker 1: he could do to a stranger. And she followed up
Speaker 1: by saying, quote, today my sibling and I say goodbye,
Speaker 1: knowing this will be the last time we will ever
Speaker 1: see you, and the last time you will see the
Speaker 1: family who loved you unconditionally. And she also said this quote,
Speaker 1: I don't hate him, I pity him.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, she did some good statements.
Speaker 1: There she did, and Cassandra is actually now the one
Speaker 1: who is caring for Besid's younger brother.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Now. That is the end of the story of Beside McLain. However,
Speaker 1: while in most cases this is the end of an
Speaker 1: episode and we kind of banter for a few minutes
Speaker 1: talk about her thoughts and everything.
Speaker 2: Got me worried. Here, what's going on today?
Speaker 1: It's different today. The episode doesn't just end. It leads
Speaker 1: into another It leads into another case, which is not
Speaker 1: going into another episode. It's just the case here that
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about and continue.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: You see, before Besied savagely attacked his mother and chopped
Speaker 1: her up to be thrown in the garbage, I missed
Speaker 1: out a portion of his life. Basid was married to
Speaker 1: a woman called Vera McLean who later changed her name
Speaker 1: to Zara Coombs after her husband had committed some some
Speaker 1: certain crimes and she wanted to disconnect from from that name.
Speaker 1: Can't blame her, oh okay, yeah, So after Basid had
Speaker 1: killed his mother, she's like, yeah, I'm not married to anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, disconnecting from that ship very fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, can't blame her for that. So she was
Speaker 1: raising their son, who had just turned three months old.
Speaker 1: Basied was a father, so the aunt Cassandra said that
Speaker 1: her nephew and her had met in a group home
Speaker 1: and that their family was against marrying her from the
Speaker 1: very beginning. It wasn't her they were protesting though. It
Speaker 1: was Besied and him not being fit as a father
Speaker 1: or a husband. Quote. He was no good, He was
Speaker 1: a bully, he didn't work, He lived off his mother.
Speaker 1: He couldn't understand what she saw on him. So Besid's son,
Speaker 1: because he was a father, who is now four years old,
Speaker 1: was targeted by his mother when he accidentally dropped an
Speaker 1: egg on the floor in the kitchen. As a result,
Speaker 1: she took a broom handle and began to beat her
Speaker 1: son to death with it. Afterwards, she put him in
Speaker 1: a plastic storage bin filled with water. Cassandra McLean said, quote,
Speaker 1: a child kills his mother, and then mother kills her child.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous what they are coming to? Ain't this crazy?
Speaker 2: Okay? What the shit happened? His wife killed?
Speaker 1: Yes, Zara beat their son to death with a broom handle, and.
Speaker 2: She felt like she needed to change her fucking last name. Yes,
Speaker 2: she also is a complete piece of shit.
Speaker 3: Yes, what the heck? Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: He already thought that we were done with this.
Speaker 1: No, I told you this. This is a little difference
Speaker 1: today it leads into something different.
Speaker 3: Whoa okay?
Speaker 1: So during an interview, Zara cried while discussing her son's death,
Speaker 1: quote He's gone. It's all my fault. My life is over.
Speaker 1: Nothing will ever be this. My baby is gone. So
Speaker 1: she blames her snapping and rage on postpartum depression and
Speaker 1: claims that she can't remember hitting her son with a
Speaker 1: broomstick at all. As she says, her memory is blacked
Speaker 1: out and all she recalls is a mix of noises,
Speaker 1: including TV blaring and cries from one of her other kids,
Speaker 1: her one year old and one month old. At the time,
Speaker 1: her son was trying to help her make lunch. He
Speaker 1: loved food and wanted to be a chef when he
Speaker 1: grew up. Zara said that she remembers her son being
Speaker 1: alive after she blacked out. She said quote, he looked
Speaker 1: at me, but he didn't say anything. I said, okay, baby,
Speaker 1: let's get you a warm bath. From there, she said
Speaker 1: that she apologized and told the toddler that she loves him,
Speaker 1: before putting him in a storage bind for a bath,
Speaker 1: and then shortly after that, fell asleep while trying to
Speaker 1: breastfeed her one month old baby. Later, she was woken
Speaker 1: up by her boyfriend, who came home from work to
Speaker 1: find their son unconscious in the bin under the water.
Speaker 1: He immediately called nine one one, but the little boy
Speaker 1: didn't make.
Speaker 2: It, okay. Did the little boy die from the broom
Speaker 2: thing or from being in the water, I wonder.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure which one it was. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the cause of death was in his situation,
Speaker 1: but if he was from under the water, he would
Speaker 1: have passed out and then gone under the water and
Speaker 1: then drowned. So the result was still the beating, one
Speaker 1: way or another.
Speaker 2: Holy heck. It's hard to almost comment on this though,
Speaker 2: because of like you saying the postpartum right.
Speaker 1: Like, definitely, definitely, I agree, one hundred percent. However, Zara's
Speaker 1: story about what happened changed several times. At first, she
Speaker 1: said that her son slipped on a wet towel and
Speaker 1: hit his head on the toilet when she wasn't looking,
Speaker 1: but during an interrogation, she admitted to beating the boy
Speaker 1: with a broomstick after her patients wore thin and he
Speaker 1: just dropped an egg on the floor, so the whole
Speaker 1: blacked out. She doesn't remember postpartum thing, bullshit. There are
Speaker 1: people who really suffer from postpartum. Maybe she is too. Regardless,
Speaker 1: she knowingly still beat her son to death with a
Speaker 1: fucking broom because she remembers it and she knows she
Speaker 1: did it. Even in the story I read her version.
Speaker 1: Her later version, she apologized before drawing him a bath,
Speaker 1: which is also key there to show she remembers doing
Speaker 1: something she fucking knew and he was sorry.
Speaker 2: Three years old four four years old? Yeh man, So.
Speaker 1: After he dropped an egg. After her four year old
Speaker 1: son dropped an egg on the floor, she grabbed a
Speaker 1: broomstick beat him till he was relatively silent before she
Speaker 1: went back to caring for her other kids. Now, the
Speaker 1: night before this, police had just been at her residence
Speaker 1: for a domestic dispute between her and her boyfriend. Now
Speaker 1: they're three children, one nine, one one year old, and
Speaker 1: one one month old at the time were taken out
Speaker 1: and put in the care of child Protective Services. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that is the story about Pasid McLean and his son.
Speaker 2: Huh so the boyfriend. Okay, I'm just this she had
Speaker 2: the other two kids with someone else or something, right,
Speaker 2: I gues o, yay, huh gosh, I don't even know how.
Speaker 1: How to process any of this. Yeah, welcome to my world. Now,
Speaker 1: you know why at the very beginning, I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: been eyeing up this beer all fucking day.
Speaker 2: No shit, how did you not open that earlier? I
Speaker 2: would have?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, But doesn't it make it
Speaker 1: taste so much better now that you've earned it?
Speaker 2: You earned it earlier. I would have totally been drinking
Speaker 2: that earlier. The reason you saved it those two because
Speaker 2: that's your last one. I know, let's be honest here, it's.
Speaker 1: My last one and I needed to open it for
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh so what I thought this story was going
Speaker 1: to be it wasn't and it turned into so much more.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, what was this saying that you said, son kills
Speaker 2: his mother, A mother kills her son or something.
Speaker 1: I'll look it up directly. So this is a quote
Speaker 1: from Cassandra besides aunt. Yes, yeah, so she says, quote
Speaker 1: a child kills his mother and then the mother kills
Speaker 1: her child. Ridiculous what we were coming to? Ain't this crazy?
Speaker 2: Huh? Brutal? Yeah hmm and sorry, okay, I'm still like processing.
Speaker 1: You tell fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 2: Okay the kid?
Speaker 3: Who did the kid.
Speaker 2: Die first then? Or the mom die first?
Speaker 1: The whole besied thing, Yeah happened first. Okay, but Seed
Speaker 1: killed his mother first, and then I think it was
Speaker 1: about three years later when Besieed's kid killed.
Speaker 2: You almost have to just wonder if.
Speaker 1: You know, you know she I know what you're to say,
Speaker 1: if she did it out of spite because of who
Speaker 1: his father was.
Speaker 2: Yah, which is so disturbing. It's so disturbing.
Speaker 1: It is, and it's absolutely fun because that crossed my
Speaker 1: mind too.
Speaker 2: This little boy wanted to be a chef.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I just well to make it even worse, No,
Speaker 1: you can't have I have to now. I took this
Speaker 1: out putting it in so the little boy because he
Speaker 1: wanted to be a chef, and he loved food so much.
Speaker 1: He would call people he loved things food he loved.
Speaker 1: Like if he called you a chicken nugget, it's because
Speaker 1: he loves you. You were his chicken nugget. Thanks, you're welcome.
Speaker 2: That is one of the saddest things I think I've
Speaker 2: ever heard in my whole entire life.
Speaker 1: I know I took that out to maybe, like, you know,
Speaker 1: lessen the blow of that one a little bit. But
Speaker 1: we got onto the top and then you just decided
Speaker 1: we got onto it and I had to say it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, I am. I could just solve right now.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys are able to process this one. I
Speaker 1: know we can't. I'm having trouble processing this one, and
Speaker 1: I fucking researched it. It's hard to digest, hard to process,
Speaker 1: and it makes it all the worse when you attach
Speaker 1: that second story onto the end of it.
Speaker 2: It does actually, because now it's like it seems like
Speaker 2: two beautiful people died, yeah for you know, for no reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you can minus and is process one, but two
Speaker 2: is just like you fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fucked.
Speaker 2: That's our next merch.
Speaker 1: Ya fucked. I'm still waiting for another another Carl case
Speaker 1: to come up. We're we're not cool, Carl.
Speaker 2: I know there has to be another one.
Speaker 1: Hey, we should specifically dive in and.
Speaker 3: Find everyone knows the one let us know definitely.
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Speaker 1: stuff there. Yeah, I think that's about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a doozy.
Speaker 1: Sorry to uh to hit you with that one today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I felt it was it was one that should
Speaker 1: be covered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean the stories need to be.
Speaker 1: Told, definitely. And it's also it's dismantling myth that is
Speaker 1: being perpetuated online because I saw it like this is
Speaker 1: starting to gain some traction, this story on places like
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram. I ran into it a couple of
Speaker 1: times where and every one of them are saying that
Speaker 1: he posts those photos online. No he didn't. Facts are
Speaker 1: important in cases like this. Not true just simply not true,
Speaker 1: at least as far as I could tell. If you
Speaker 1: could provide evidence, please do. But I have not seen
Speaker 1: the single shred of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that seems it does seem a little bit
Speaker 2: far fetched. I mean, the whole thing does, really though,
Speaker 2: he does. But anyway, now you got to finish that beer.
Speaker 1: Yep. I'm going to go finish this beer and maybe
Speaker 1: cry myself to sleep, and until next time, stay wicked.