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<v Speaker 1>There are many little moments like that that make the

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<v Speaker 1>book very fun. When I say fun, I mean bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do start to go, Okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>He gets magiced into humping her and she's like, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>There were like fifty ghosts in the book. I picked

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<v Speaker 1>one that I said was hot, and suddenly I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To go I would say that that follows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why are the magic drugs in a separate world

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<v Speaker 2>than regular drugs? That's not how drugs work.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have sex with the ghosts.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'd be cold, and I wouldn't like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello everyone, and welcome back to Mean book Club.

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<v Speaker 3>This week we read Ninth House by leap Or Do go.

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<v Speaker 5>Ooh magic Yeah, look a good look at us big,

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<v Speaker 5>so many words long, Ivy.

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<v Speaker 1>League read.

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<v Speaker 2>Reading about the Ivy Leader.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Hi, yes, hi everyone, we are your host, says

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<v Speaker 5>always to Mean book Club.

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<v Speaker 3>I am Sarah Burton.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm Clara Morris.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, I'm Jonas Crabs.

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<v Speaker 3>And sadly, Serena b Jordan is.

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<v Speaker 1>Sabrina is away on a trip. But if you perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>thought that Serena and Clara were feuding. I would understand

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<v Speaker 1>that because it feels like they just don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the cast together at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Interesting, It's really not my style to feud. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think, well, you know, the light ribbing, the teasing,

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<v Speaker 2>but not a feud. So I'm not I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm just trying to put up an offense. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe I'm protesting too much.

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<v Speaker 5>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it. I've never had to say I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feud with people that type. I'm had to make

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<v Speaker 1>that argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're about to be feuding with someone right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a while since I've been here. All right, there, Sarah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the thread.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all the jokes she couldn't It felt like she

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<v Speaker 1>followed the jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was worried she wasn't being funny. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was scared.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, she had to pretend like she was

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<v Speaker 1>having mike trouble. Where are we hearing each other?

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<v Speaker 2>Really, she's having a crisis of confidence because we should

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<v Speaker 2>have started so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost all my audio from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should start again and YouTube should be

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<v Speaker 2>more quiet, and they would just help.

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<v Speaker 4>My mic.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you were the listener, if you were believing

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<v Speaker 5>that Sabrina and Clara were fuding, we would understand because

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<v Speaker 5>they will not be heard together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think ever aget.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a scheduling issue, not sort of. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>the feuding type teasing, yes, but it's always with love.

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<v Speaker 3>At least nobody.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody's going to argue that like they're one person, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like that something people argue all the time about our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>They could at this point, right, we're giving them evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, you're lucky that we're not just having one

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<v Speaker 1>of them be AI. I mean, we have enough audio

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Oh you're right. Oh, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>do fun create a little body goes you guys, what

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it? It was so good, guys, No, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a fun threat.

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<v Speaker 5>Can we start doing that for if you miss an

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<v Speaker 5>episode that we do that, like for I just feel

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<v Speaker 5>like that's too good of an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, Like, guys, what if people like the AI

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<v Speaker 2>of me, you guys, and then they just want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just make sure they never hear the AI bought

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<v Speaker 1>of you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all you can get. Are you worried the listeners

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<v Speaker 1>will like the A I bought better?

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<v Speaker 2>That we will know that the listeners will like the

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<v Speaker 2>AI bought better than you, guys, Oh, my god, better

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<v Speaker 2>than me. I'm not worried about it.

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<v Speaker 5>You think that, then people will be asking for a

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<v Speaker 5>podcast of real Clara talking to AI Clara.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I understand, I understand. I'm worried about you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You're worried about our future on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you know what we're mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Book Club, we were in New York Times bestsellers that

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<v Speaker 5>you guys recommend, So Jhona, why are we reading Ninth House?

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<v Speaker 3>Where those come from?

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<v Speaker 1>So we are officially reading Ninth House because listener Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>recommended it and her note was, I will formally nominate

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<v Speaker 1>Ninth House. I also liked the book, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely things you guys could sink your teeth into, which

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<v Speaker 1>thank god Ashley did, because it reminded us that last

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<v Speaker 1>season we had Raoul Asparza on for the episode Beautiful Ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>and he recommended Ninth House as a read, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would not have remembered that at all, but I went

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<v Speaker 1>back and listened to the episode for his recommendation, just

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<v Speaker 1>the recommendation so that we could get why it was

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<v Speaker 1>truly recommended, because Ashley didn't give us a lot of context.

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<v Speaker 1>Although amazing work Ashley keeping us on track. This is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who knows the show and knows us and knows

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<v Speaker 1>that we need this kind of help. So go back

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<v Speaker 1>and check out the beautiful Ugly episode because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fun one. So turn this off, go ahead and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Now, come on back and just do it next, Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>do it, next, do it now, whatever you want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>just do it. And here is the official recommendation. Raoul said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious what you would make of this book called

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<v Speaker 1>Ninth House by Lee bar Duke. She's generally a YA

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<v Speaker 1>author who wrote the Shadow and Bone series, which I

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<v Speaker 1>believe is a big TV series that's maya side Johanna

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<v Speaker 1>and this book that this is a book that posits

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<v Speaker 1>that the secret society societies at Yale are actually part

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<v Speaker 1>of the occult and they sacrifice human beings and read

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<v Speaker 1>their entrails in order to talk to Ghost. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure she always sticks the landing, but I read the book,

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<v Speaker 1>and I read the sequel immediately called Hellbent, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait for the third one. And I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>the most imaginative woman the thing she dreams up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Yale world. I couldn't put it down. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>perfect books. Maybe it's too good a book for me

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<v Speaker 1>book club. I actually really like the books, but they're messy.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were at the time, although we immediately forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about it, we were very interested Sabrina, especially tragedy tragic.

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<v Speaker 5>So we basically this is one of those book club

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<v Speaker 5>books that were recommended, but we're like people are like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 5>I liked it, but like it's a lot so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm really curious to see what you thought of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I have a lot of thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah. So I also I did a little post

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<v Speaker 1>before we started reading it where I just like, Judge

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<v Speaker 1>the book by its cover, and I was so I

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<v Speaker 1>was instantly excited about this book.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great cover.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 3>Judge a book by its cover. This book has a

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<v Speaker 3>great cover. It's it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>The snakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think the cover is great. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more like the the summary and like the first page.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you said it was Judge a book by

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<v Speaker 2>a cover, Jonae, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>You're reading the back cover. I wanted to make Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, nice try, Okay. I think this book

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to make me look stupid too, talking about Yale

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<v Speaker 3>so much?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, in the background, what is of the author.

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<v Speaker 5>And her I do I'm interested too, But we'll get

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<v Speaker 5>to that first week. We should talk about how did

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<v Speaker 5>you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>How'd you read it?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I did an audible audio book.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah did you did? I? Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>So I all first got it from the library and

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck.

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<v Speaker 5>I got the Spanish one and it went, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 5>too late to fix this, and then I went and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I got I got tricked intro in Spanish. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that too, but I didn't turn it off

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<v Speaker 2>and just kept going.

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<v Speaker 1>And I learned Spanish. And then of this book, I

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Great read because we had like three weeks to read

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, but we put it down and read another

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<v Speaker 5>I think the problem I I will say, Johnna, I

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<v Speaker 5>better experience, because this book is a skimmer if I've

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<v Speaker 5>ever heard one, and it is hard to skim when

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<v Speaker 5>Oh it's it's it's ten pages at a time skimming.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, what, Okay, you didn't read the book?

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<v Speaker 1>Then you didn't actually I listened to it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you did. I wish I could have skipped.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I skimmed, skimmed, I would be like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>did I miss something?

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<v Speaker 1>A real book that has content in it?

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<v Speaker 2>This is not I don't think I would have. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I already felt like that a little bit, like wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is it's.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think you would have changed anything, and you

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<v Speaker 5>just would have like missed pages and pages of exposition

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<v Speaker 3>Plot moving forward, It just like sitting there, sitting there.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if I could have skimmed all that and

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<v Speaker 5>I can been like, let me get to the last

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<v Speaker 5>two hundred pages, groovy, That's what I could have done.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this podcast has broken both of your brain

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, a book, a good book came and it

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to shake your hand and said, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a good book, and you you didn't even know, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know what a handshake was lost at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, but I think I would then

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I missed something even though I didn't, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would go back and try to figure it out

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<v Speaker 2>even harder.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess I wish somebody had said to me,

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<v Speaker 5>get the book and then skip through every page that

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<v Speaker 5>isn't dialogue, and you won't have missed anything. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I think I would have been like great, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think, but I understand there was so much like

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<v Speaker 5>confusion in world building that I could have thought I

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<v Speaker 1>and God forbid, a book has world building? World building?

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<v Speaker 2>There, johonnah, she got you good. There's nothing, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 5>And then I believe that I take you to dinner

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<v Speaker 2>Winner of the worst book.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it? Because there's like a main character who just

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Violence more more, more and more and more.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a great writer.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, But you know we're going too far in

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<v Speaker 5>before we like talk about everything else we got. Well

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, so Jona, it's time for Johana jokes your

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you can drop on down in the outline there.

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<v Speaker 1>see an Alex and a Dawes. You can be the

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<v Speaker 1>same person, maybe, Clara, do you want to do that?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and then Sarah you could be Darlington.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, I was going to accept DAWs but sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex the same Yeah, and then I'll be Leathy House,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the uh secret society at Yale. Yeah, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex joints.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I ask you, Clara, since you listened to the book,

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<v Speaker 5>did you think it was Leafy House for most of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I know, Oh, I thought you was saying leafy

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, what a.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird name for at a stupid name?

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<v Speaker 3>Leafy? No, no explanation is what the what the leaves

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<v Speaker 3>are about?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't give this book a chance at all?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, markay, let's go. Here's a summary.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Alex Stern, and I'm different than all

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<v Speaker 2>the other freshmen at Yale this year. See, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>from New England. I'm your classic California girl address how

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<v Speaker 2>I want, you can't pin me down? And I see

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<v Speaker 2>though people call me Alex. My real name is Galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Darlington.

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<v Speaker 5>I am Alex's mentor here at Yale. We're in one

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<v Speaker 5>of the secret societies at Yale, which is just a club,

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<v Speaker 5>but a really cool club because it's Yale. Picture the

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<v Speaker 5>quidditch club that was around Sarah and Johna's freshman year

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<v Speaker 5>at Penn State, but cool and secret because it's not

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<v Speaker 5>Penn State.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Yale.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, because I'm a character in a book, people call

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<v Speaker 5>me Darlington, but my real name is just Dan Arlington.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom Dawes, I'm the other member of the club. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the dunky one. I don't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>I am leithy House. I am the club, the Galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel and Dawes are part of at Yale. The cool

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<v Speaker 1>thing about our club is that we are like the

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<v Speaker 1>office administrators of all the secret societies at Yale. We

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<v Speaker 1>take show off that when they do their hazing rituals,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, cutting open the entrails of a towny

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<v Speaker 1>they do it the right way.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex.

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<v Speaker 5>Are we so lucky to have you here at Yale

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<v Speaker 5>on full scholarship, even though you are a high school dropout,

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<v Speaker 5>simply because you can see ghosts I think that's really

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<v Speaker 5>cool and I'm not resentful at all. Also, I understand

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<v Speaker 5>you were involved in a triple homicide a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>How interesting. Welcome to Yale very good, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how to welcome to Jurassic Park. Is

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<v Speaker 5>that was in the notes that I'm supposed to say,

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<v Speaker 5>like welcome to Jurassic Park. But I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 5>what them met.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I did yabingight, Yeah, I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>a great job. It was really fun to be does

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<v Speaker 2>It was really fun to be does it?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you would have fun with it.

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<v Speaker 5>You didn't mention Dawes's real name, Pamela, the worst name

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<v Speaker 5>a person that.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a rough it's such a rough. Oh what are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna go by Pammy? Which DAWs does?

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<v Speaker 3>Just go yeaws is we're going by last name except

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<v Speaker 3>for Alex. I can't why it wasn't anybody call her Stern?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, think about that, Pamela Dawes ouch.

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<v Speaker 5>Darlington is so weird. I think I totally forgot about

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<v Speaker 5>that fact till you brought it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nickname is Darlington. Oh it's rough Darling in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna get punched anywhere outside of Yale.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then he like chooses the club that's like

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<v Speaker 3>the police club. I don't like. I guess like.

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<v Speaker 5>Office administrators is you're like, okay, making sure everything everybody's compliants,

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<v Speaker 5>officers of secret societies.

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<v Speaker 8>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>It isn't so uncool.

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<v Speaker 1>Skull and Bones were at your clubhouse. Just want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you guys like you practice magic. That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You practice magic makes you rich. Just want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you're only doing it on third nights. Cool, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to spend your time doing. Very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I hated hearing about the society so

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<v Speaker 3>overre going.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, that's well, we got to do our Oh

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<v Speaker 5>what's the what's the Johanna's jugs?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's one that I've brought to you all before.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a wine I really like. It's Sarah. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>just put her head down like she was already upset,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>This doesn't it was just reading on sorry, go ahead, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>not wine related.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I'm bringing you a pathic Red Winemaker's blend.

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<v Speaker 1>Which here's something I like about this. It doesn't say

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the wine on top on the bottle,

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<v Speaker 1>it just says winemakers blend, which at this point is

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<v Speaker 1>what I need. There's too many wines out there.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were kids, it was just there was this zinfandel,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a Merleau, there was a resling, and you

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<v Speaker 1>were good if you knew.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were and ask kids, that's what we drank,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what we did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And now I just feel like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I see I don't even know that's the name of

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<v Speaker 1>a wine on the bottle. So here's what I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>That pothic red. Does they just say, hey, we're a wine.

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<v Speaker 1>The wine maker has blended some wines. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to know anything about me to drink me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very dark bottle with this blood red font

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<v Speaker 1>that's like this red script font, so it's very gothic,

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<v Speaker 1>which really fits the vibes of this does I genuinely vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are planning to read this book, sit down

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<v Speaker 1>with a big red glass of apothic red, which is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently a blend of cabs off, Merlau, Seranzinfandel, hd in oak.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all of them. That's all of them. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did all the reds.

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<v Speaker 1>And they say the flavor notes are really sweet, which

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<v Speaker 1>is great for you know, a college wine. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what you're into at that age. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy this gothic wine. It is good. It is very

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<v Speaker 1>reasonably priced, and it has a great looking bottle, which

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<v Speaker 1>gets me every time.

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<v Speaker 3>That'll do it, all right, all rightful, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's apparently ninety nine still the same price point

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<v Speaker 1>it was ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, even better deal. You would think it price

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<v Speaker 3>would increase.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, no, no inflation for them.

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<v Speaker 3>No nice.

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<v Speaker 1>No tariffs must be yeah, I know it must be us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the USA one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a California whoa, Okay, that's it's gonna help us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna help you with that's tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was another reason because Alex.

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<v Speaker 3>Is from from California.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a Calie gown.

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<v Speaker 3>I love all the references.

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<v Speaker 1>I put a little thought into this one, Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>authors from there, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That we need to you know, is at our bar.

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<v Speaker 5>Congratulations, thought into it, may specific locations.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you a little bit about this book. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was an instant Sunday Times in New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times Bestseller in October twenty nineteen, which our listeners know

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<v Speaker 1>means it. At the moment it was released, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a bestseller. So there was a lot of pre orders,

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<v Speaker 1>pre sales of this book. Yeah, Stephen King called it

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to put down. No surprise there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's ridiculous, very easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the same way, Stephen, mister King, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a pre publication controversy around this book.

435
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<v Speaker 1>So the author is primarily a YA author. This was

436
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<v Speaker 1>her first adult book, and so copies were handed out

437
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<v Speaker 1>at the Young Adult Literary Convention, and there were also

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<v Speaker 1>other adult titles made available at the convention. But early

439
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<v Speaker 1>readers started tweeting out trigger warnings about the book's content,

440
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<v Speaker 1>which led to calls for the book itself to be

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<v Speaker 1>printed with those warnings included. And Bardugo, I thought, had

442
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<v Speaker 1>an amazing response which she said, I think there should

443
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<v Speaker 1>be absolutely be a conversation about trigger warnings on books,

444
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<v Speaker 1>but if it's going to happen, it should be an

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<v Speaker 1>industry wide requirement enforced by publishers. Otherwise, all it does

446
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<v Speaker 1>is stigmatize particular books. She says there have been no

447
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<v Speaker 1>similar campaigns around the work of male horror authors like

448
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<v Speaker 1>Stephen King and Joe Abercrombie. And I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>an excellent point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know the other people's work.

451
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<v Speaker 3>If you don't know about Stephen King's workman, I.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Don't know about King.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Never crossed your desk.

454
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<v Speaker 3>We never did one of his books.

455
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<v Speaker 5>Never.

456
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Yeah, No, I think that that's fine.

457
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah warning though, Yeah, I feel like it's fine to

458
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<v Speaker 3>have the trigger warning. It doesn't really affect me.

459
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<v Speaker 5>But I'm like, I guess, so, I guess this her

460
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<v Speaker 5>concern isn't for readers like me, because a trigger warning

461
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<v Speaker 5>or no isn't going to make me.

462
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<v Speaker 3>Not read the book. I don't know.

463
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<v Speaker 5>It seems like it's just good because if you don't

464
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<v Speaker 5>want to read it, you don't like that stuff, and

465
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<v Speaker 5>it'll stop you from reading it.

466
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<v Speaker 3>It's like nice, it seems good.

467
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<v Speaker 1>It just seems like politicized a little bit in my opinion,

468
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<v Speaker 1>where it's like some books might put it, but it's

469
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<v Speaker 1>does it signify something about I guess all literature signifies

470
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<v Speaker 1>something about the author and the book. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>she just brings up a good point that it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there are.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything else. Isn't this a ya like this'ya? Oh okay?

474
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<v Speaker 2>But maybe because she's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I author, because she was a YA author, and

476
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<v Speaker 1>also because she was a woman, and it just like

477
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<v Speaker 1>seemed easy to and it's a recent book, you know,

478
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<v Speaker 1>but it does it. I I just like the suggestion

479
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<v Speaker 1>that it's like we should all be doing it or yeah,

480
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<v Speaker 1>so did she do it?

481
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<v Speaker 3>But then she did it?

482
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<v Speaker 2>But she did do it.

483
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember seeing that.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they read a trigger warning before uh the book started.

485
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<v Speaker 1>I don't call it warning.

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<v Speaker 9>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm can I go see I'm really curious now yeah

488
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<v Speaker 1>that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you keeping the book? I mean, go you

490
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<v Speaker 2>go to a library.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Now that I have a house of multiple room, we wouldn't.

492
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<v Speaker 5>Have brought the book with you when we're doing that's surprising,

493
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<v Speaker 5>I'd okay, ninth house.

494
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<v Speaker 3>Is there trigger warning?

495
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<v Speaker 7>No?

496
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<v Speaker 2>There definitely was.

497
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<v Speaker 9>I know.

498
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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to see.

499
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<v Speaker 5>Some people said why doesn't the book so I don't

500
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<v Speaker 5>know if it's like maybe they did it later copies.

501
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, oh yeah, or maybe like Audible wanted.

502
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I don't know.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Well, Moment of Truth.

504
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<v Speaker 1>My book does not have a trigger warning.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Whoah, maybe Audible wanted it. Audible demanded, Audible demanded, you

506
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<v Speaker 2>want to be distributed by us. You're going to scare

507
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<v Speaker 2>people before the book starts.

508
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<v Speaker 3>Well, the other book, the first one, we did have

509
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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of trigger warnings.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it annoyed me. I don't know, I'm wrong,

511
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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong.

512
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<v Speaker 3>I no, no, no, you don't have to be wrong.

513
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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I just feels like it h yeah, yeah,

514
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<v Speaker 3>if it affects people.

515
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<v Speaker 1>Talking about now, yeah, I feel like whatever, it's.

516
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<v Speaker 3>A you don't you're are you anti over all the warnings?

517
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<v Speaker 3>You're just like whatever it's getting.

518
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

519
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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like you don't know what anybody's particular

520
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 1>triggers are going to be. It's hard, It's like what

521
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<v Speaker 1>might be. I I guess I do have things that

522
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<v Speaker 1>trigger me when I read, and they're not going to

523
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<v Speaker 1>be the same things that trigger other people. But I

524
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<v Speaker 1>feel like those things are not going to get a warning.

525
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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like if you're sensitive about certain things,

526
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<v Speaker 1>you can look it up yourself and decide if.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do a little research. I don't know.

528
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

529
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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that many people that go into books

531
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<v Speaker 5>completely cold. Maybe we do sometimes, but like in general,

532
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 5>I feel like, you know a little bit.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah about I guess what I'm thinking about now is

534
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:28.279
<v Speaker 2>what I have liked to trigger warning with malice, Like

535
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>was the surprise part of it? Horrible journey?

536
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like more.

537
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<v Speaker 1>Main character will get rape over a different people every

538
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<v Speaker 1>I think it should be like every male she meets

539
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<v Speaker 1>in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

541
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this book is dedicated Okay, this one is

542
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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to Lee bar Duco's college roommates, which when I

543
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>picked it up, I thought it was dedicated to her

544
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 1>pets because they all have pet names.

545
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<v Speaker 4>We wanted a name.

546
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<v Speaker 1>Their names are Headwig, Nima, m and Less for the

547
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>many rescues, so I thought it was definitely like, oh

548
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>my god, those are yeah, yeah, I agree. If your

549
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<v Speaker 1>name is Hedwig, I'm sorry, but I think you're a

550
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>dog an owl an owl? Yeah, okay, this.

551
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Is my rescue owl.

552
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I take them on planes. It's fine.

553
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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

554
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<v Speaker 1>So Leithy House, which is the house that uh get

555
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Darling Tinner in, is actually a figure and a river.

556
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>In Greek mythology, it represents forgetfulness, oblivion, and the erasure

557
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 1>of memory, and serves as a symbol for escaping past,

558
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was very cool considering Alex's joining of

559
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Leath the House is entirely an escape from her past

560
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>in California. She's trying, she's a Yelle, to try to

561
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>create a new life, to escape her trauma of being

562
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>poor and in a very unstable housing environment surrounded by

563
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>drugs and abuse.

564
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<v Speaker 3>Did they ever talk about that in the book, like

565
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 3>this is called this? Because I do not think so.

566
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<v Speaker 5>It seems like weird with all the background they went

567
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 5>over that that wasn't something they I mean, I didn't

568
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 5>look into it because I thought it was leafy.

569
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 3>I thought, but you're right, Okay, it's symbolic, gotcha.

570
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>So cool. Okay, Wait, we're still just talking.

571
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<v Speaker 5>About the book, and well, I don't really know where

572
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 5>to put that, so I just okay, okay, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now I'm putting it now. I'm going to the author, Okay.

574
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>So Lee Bardugo she is y a author born in Jerusalem,

575
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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Los Ange and graduated from Yale.

576
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 6>Duh.

577
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Because she wrote so much about Yale.

578
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>If she graduated from Yale, I would have felt bad

579
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 2>for her because she knows so much about it. I agree.

580
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 1>So a little bit about the inspiration for this book.

581
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 1>She was walking home from the post office her freshman

582
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 1>year at Yale when it happened. I was reading a

583
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 1>letter and I looked up from the letter and I

584
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 1>was standing on Grove Street. On my left was this

585
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 1>giant white marble mausoleum covered in wrought iron snakes, and

586
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>on my right was a giant New Egyptian gate that

587
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.519
<v Speaker 1>said the Dead shall be raised. And I, the young

588
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Goth child from Los Angeles, was like, I have come home.

589
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So that moment plans had a seed for her for

590
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>this book. And she's speaking in that moment of the tombs.

591
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>They're called of the ancient Eight Societies of Yale, which

592
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>are a real thing. And it wasn't until years later,

593
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 1>when she was going to a college reunion that she

594
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>got some pictures from a friend and she said of

595
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>her time at Yale, she said, it was like a

596
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>punch to the gut. There was no sense of nostalgia.

597
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:00.839
<v Speaker 1>I think I was sposed to feel some kind of

598
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 1>warm sentiment when I saw these photos but instead I

599
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 1>felt like, here's the reckoning. She said, being confronted with

600
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>those images was difficult because not everything that happened to

601
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 1>her at Yale was positive. She was excavating the truth

602
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>of her experience there, her friend's experience is there, and

603
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it was uncomfortable. So that's why the book at times

604
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is uncomfortable to read. It grapples with the grayest areas

605
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 1>of trauma, desire, addiction, power, and privilege.

606
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<v Speaker 2>Wait, is there really ghosts there or what.

607
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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

608
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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question. I do think she was assaulted

609
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>at Yale, so that's one of the things that or maybe.

610
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 5>Not at Yale, but I yeah, I think I read

611
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 5>that somewhere that she has a past experience of sex essay,

612
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<v Speaker 5>as they say, which she brings up.

613
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<v Speaker 1>She's fine to talk about, but she does feel that

614
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>like she felt like she had to justify writing about

615
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>it in a way that like male authors don't. Sorry,

616
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 1>thought that was an interesting point. She was also in

617
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the houses. She was in Wolf's Head, which

618
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 1>is one of the ancient eight.

619
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Now these.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I didn't go to an Ivy League school, which

621
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was probably gonna surprise a lot of people, you know,

622
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>but what are these houses? They don't live in the houses.

623
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 2>They're just like clubhouses.

624
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Confusing. These are just houses. They're frat houses like that.

625
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 2>It feels like some people live there, but not everyone.

626
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 3>We're just with their frat houses with fancy names. I think.

627
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think that's what it is.

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00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 1>If you want to read more about them, there are Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say her instagram has a fun

630
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>gothic energy as well. She's a Halloween lover like myself.

631
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>And I did notice that in many of the pictures

632
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>uh at Yale she had this really cool caine, and

633
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, she's so in character, Like she's

634
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>like under this gothic archway she has this like black cade.

635
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>She's a disability, but she has as a condition called

636
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 1>bone death actually, which sounds like a very Gothic condition,

637
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>but it's painful and it causes her difficulty with mobility,

638
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and she brought it into her character Kaz Brecker in

639
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 1>the six of Crow's series, who uses a cane due

640
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 1>to leg injury, and she is an advocate for young

641
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>people or anyone using stylish canes such as those that

642
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Della Morte and co or hiking poles and aims to

643
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>reduce stigma around young people using mobility aids. And I

644
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 1>think that's really cool because I genuinely noticed how cool

645
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>her cane was and I was like, that's awesome. So

646
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<v Speaker 1>I think that that is a cool thing that she's

647
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<v Speaker 1>doing where she's putting that in her books. And she's

648
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<v Speaker 1>also you know.

649
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Not in this book though.

650
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Book, so we can still make fun of her. I mean,

651
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.759
<v Speaker 2>all these things are like Mary Kane, and I shouldn't

652
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>make fun of her. The whole section is like, you

653
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>don't make fun of someone who's.

654
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<v Speaker 8>So good.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Luck guys, because I love the book. I'm not going

656
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<v Speaker 1>to make fun of her at all.

657
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 3>All right, challenge, except.

658
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to make fun I'm going to criticize

659
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 2>where it's necessary, and if it happens to be fun

660
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 2>the way i'm criticizing you, it might.

661
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Be funny, but we're all laughing, you laugh, Okay, but

662
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>just to be clear, I won't.

663
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<v Speaker 5>This is so different than our experience with the seated

664
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<v Speaker 5>rivalry Clara. If only you know Clara, you would have

665
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 5>been on my side.

666
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt about it.

667
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 5>She came she came out hard, anti gay, like it

668
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 5>was okay, I'm just Sabrina.

669
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know.

670
00:33:58.759 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm not.

671
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

672
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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm a great ally, if I may say so.

673
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Myself is a straight white woman. Ah okay, I just

674
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't slobbering on the what what was the phrase that

675
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Serena came up?

676
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Knob goblin, knob goblin on the knob?

677
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 5>Maybe, I don't know. I mean that's a real thing,

678
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 5>and goblin on the knob. I don't remember specifically. Hopefully

679
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 5>Blake can just put a little.

680
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Blake, do you episode?

681
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 10>So the first time in Shane's life he slobbed down

682
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 10>on a dick. Now it was Ilia's turn to slob down.

683
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 10>He was very good at slobbing. Shane was too nervous,

684
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 10>so he bought a second house, you know, for the slobbing.

685
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Slobbing what is it slobbing down dick or a knob usually,

686
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, slabbing nob.

687
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 10>The next eight years continued with one nondescript hockey thing

688
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 10>after another in the slobbing progress to prodding, progress to

689
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 10>full ass gobbling, to tuna melting to heart melting.

690
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's incredible. I've never heard that one, and it's

691
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 1>my favorite one now I like it a lot. You've

692
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>never heard the three six Mafia.

693
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 8>Slob on my knob, that cold on the cop and

694
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 8>do your job on the bed and give me hit.

695
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 8>Don't have to ask, don't have.

696
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 1>To beg ju is my name anyway? Okay, so let's

697
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>talk about the book. It's this, ladies, may I invite

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00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you to freewheel at this point my segment is over.

699
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>O my god, I invite you to join in the

700
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>conversation at this time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. I think.

702
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 5>I think my overall critique of this book is that

703
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 5>I feel like the book was just asking like, okay,

704
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.760
<v Speaker 5>what if powerful people, like rich powerful people did really

705
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 5>bad things but with magic?

706
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like that was it.

707
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.639
<v Speaker 5>It was like and it was like weird to me.

708
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, we're just yeah, rich powerful people do bad stuff.

709
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 5>And then they were like, yeah, like they rape, but

710
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 5>not with a roofie, with a magic rufie. I felt

711
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 5>like it felt I don't know, it just felt silly

712
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 5>to me. At a certain point that I was like,

713
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 5>what are we doing? Are we critiquing like the Yale

714
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 5>societies or I don't know what's happening here?

715
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 3>What are we doing?

716
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, with the release of all the

717
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Epstein stuff. I'm just like, I guess this is all

718
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 1>just real, is what it feels like.

719
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 3>That's what I mean.

720
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it feels like reality can be worse. Yes,

721
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a scene early in the book where

722
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>they take a person was in the hospital for something

723
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>and drag him out of the hospital, cut his stomach open.

724
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Do I think it's called scrying of his entrails where

725
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>they read the entrails to tell how they should move

726
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 1>their stocks around and they sew him back up and

727
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 1>like put him back in the hospital. It does not

728
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 1>feel impossible that that is something that really happens. That

729
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 1>feels extremely real.

730
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 5>It's right, and I think my I had trouble at

731
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 5>least I guess with Galaxy Alex's character a little bit,

732
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 5>because it's like I guess at first, I understand why

733
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 5>she's there, and it's like a big offering, Like it's

734
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 5>a big deal to be able to go to Yell

735
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 5>and you didn't even graduate high school. You know, we

736
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 5>won't talk about affirmative action, but you know, something took

737
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 5>place there.

738
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if it's a good look, but anyway.

739
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Because you can see ghosts.

740
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, reservative. She was a magical minority, and that's why

741
00:37:58.639 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 1>she got in.

742
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 5>Okay, let's look, let's just call it what it is,

743
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 5>all right, But anyway, I guess Yeah.

744
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Something that was with me throughout the whole book was

745
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>why aren't they using magic more to solve their pro

746
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>like to sve like what where? What can the magic do?

747
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Why can't it be more magical?

748
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Why is it just.

749
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>From where to move our stocks around? That's a lot

750
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>of effort. Could you get it to be like maybe

751
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the police won't investigate this murder or something?

752
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 3>Or Yeah, it is hard. That is hard.

753
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 5>Like when you're talking about magic and then and you're

754
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 5>in a world you're like, oh, we can do all

755
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 5>this crazy shit.

756
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 3>It's like what all seems like?

757
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 5>Then you kind of have solutions in front of you,

758
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 5>but we're not. But just like we're not telling you

759
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 5>about them, or like she would only think of them

760
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 5>at an opportune time after doing nothing for you know,

761
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 5>thirty pages.

762
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, we don't know how the magic works, guys,

763
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.039
<v Speaker 1>we're not in the houses. Okay, Well, I feel.

764
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 5>Like by the book I should feel clearly I understand

765
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 5>the nature of the magic as opposed to just being

766
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 5>like the magic felt like it was didn't It was

767
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 5>like didn't do that much compared to like what they

768
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 5>do in the real world, Like I didn't.

769
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like when you could use it and when you couldn't.

770
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 3>She seems using it all the time.

771
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Like they're coins that make people do whatever you want.

772
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Use that compulsion.

773
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that, like you just use.

774
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>That to get the bank money or something and use

775
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>that for your Just.

776
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>A good point. They could have been all of the magic.

777
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 1>There's like the coins of compulsion. Then there's a spell

778
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>where you become like pure charisma and whatever you say

779
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone disagrees with, which just feels like.

780
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very similar to the coin.

781
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does.

782
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 5>And then there's that drug you can give and that

783
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 5>has makes your tongue purple or something, and that also and.

784
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It turns you into an acolyte. But it's basically like

785
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a magic like I think some Sarah said it's a

786
00:39:59.400 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>magic roof.

787
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, So I guess that was confusing to me,

788
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 5>but also just I think Alex's reaction to it because

789
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 5>like at first, you know, she's a survivor, she's got

790
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 5>a history which my god, we will get into. But

791
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.559
<v Speaker 5>she's like witnessing this ritual, like you're saying, that's like

792
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 5>kind of really upsetting. And even if you're like all

793
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.599
<v Speaker 5>these yalies who are from like an upper crust society,

794
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 5>even if they're not blinking at it, you would think

795
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 5>that she because of her background, is you know, coming

796
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 5>from a different culture, Like she didn't, didn't grow up

797
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.119
<v Speaker 5>with a lot like that. She would I don't know

798
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 5>that seeing it through her eyes, I would expect more

799
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.320
<v Speaker 5>reaction from her, but she doesn't have it as much.

800
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 5>It's more just like I'm a survivor, which again is fine,

801
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.480
<v Speaker 5>But then like I felt like then by the end

802
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 5>of the book, we were also supposed to be seeing

803
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 5>her as some like no somebody noble who's like getting

804
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 5>all these like bad guys and making the rapist eat

805
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:03.639
<v Speaker 5>shit and stuff. And it's like, well, is she like

806
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 5>selfish and a survivor or is she like noble and

807
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 5>cares about the greater good?

808
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 3>It felt it was like confusing to me. It felt

809
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 3>like she was trying to have it both ways.

810
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I agree. I don't really. Yeah, I

811
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>think we open on like one of the first magic

812
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 2>scenes is her in her position as administrator Entrails and

813
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>like she's there because she sees ghosts like that yell,

814
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 2>because she sees the ghosts in that first Entrails reading scene,

815
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the ghosts freak out and it's weird, and it's like, okay,

816
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>well shouldn't she do something about that? Like she doesn't

817
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 2>even tell anyone, like.

818
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, it seems like back to that information.

819
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also like what is her job here?

820
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 3>What is her value?

821
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

822
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

823
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 2>What are the rules for all the world building that

824
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>is done? And what are the rules of the magic?

825
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay? I just think you wouldn't be asking a man

826
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>who can see dead people these questions? Claria, what is

827
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>her value as the one who can see dead people?

828
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Wow?

829
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 3>It seems like, yeah, why do they.

830
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Love her so bad? Like she's not helping it. I

831
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 2>guess it's because they want to.

832
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Eat her at the end, like yeah, it sounds that

833
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.360
<v Speaker 3>because somebody wanted to eat her.

834
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Answer, but roll does say did say that they do

835
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 1>not nail the landing?

836
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 3>That was the landing? Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that.

837
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 5>I also sorry, I don't know again spoiler or not spoilers? Sorry, well,

838
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 5>a spoiler, but a warning trigger warning just because we're

839
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 5>talking about this book, like her background is insane, Like

840
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 5>she gets raped by a ghost.

841
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel like we need to know.

842
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 2>When she talk about that, it's when she gets her

843
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>first period too. So if you thought getting your first

844
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 2>period was a bit of a book, she was.

845
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>She got it and it was in public also, so.

846
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 5>It was like this this is experience of like why,

847
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 5>what's the what's the ghost thing doing here? Cause it's

848
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 5>like I think it's enough if like she's raped and

849
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 5>no one believes her, but like now it's also a

850
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 5>ghost that did it. And then it's like I feel

851
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 5>like the ghost is like really distracting from the fact

852
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 5>that she was raped as a child. Like I don't know,

853
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 5>there was just I just was like I don't understand

854
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 5>what the why that's happening, And it did. It's not

855
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 5>like it's set up a bunch of that like ghosts

856
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 5>are super rapey. Later like we're gonna see a lot

857
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 5>of ghosts or this is something ghosts are doing, or

858
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 5>like we ever understood why that ghost did that? Like

859
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 5>it just was like, how about this is the same,

860
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 5>Like this is my I guess complain that's like, how

861
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 5>about something horrible happened?

862
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 3>But with magic, and that's what it felt like again.

863
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>That I was like, well, it's the only way that

864
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 1>scenario could ever be worse because no one believed her,

865
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 1>which I think is a commentary on that. But also, yes,

866
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>usually nobody believes you anyway, right, But everyone just saw

867
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>her like rolling around on the floor of the women's

868
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 1>bathroom screaming, so they all thought she had a mental

869
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>breakdown as well.

870
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 5>Right, So that's what I mean, Like the fact that's

871
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 5>a ghost becomes like the worst part as opposed to

872
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 5>the fact that you were raped.

873
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it just I didn't understand. I mean,

874
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm open to the fact that there might have been

875
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 3>a really good reason for it, but I'm just I

876
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 3>didn't understand what the author was saying.

877
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand the physics of ghosts. I guess because

878
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>when Hallie, her friend dies, she she reaches through her.

879
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 2>She talks about reaching through her.

880
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Right, that's another good business.

881
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 5>He didn't her, right, Like the ghosts seem like they

882
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 5>she can like eventually find out the ghosts can like

883
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 5>come inside her and do that. But like, was that

884
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 5>what the ghost was doing with his penis or like,

885
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 5>was she misunderstanding what was happening, and it was a

886
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 5>ghost trying to go inside her and it just coupled,

887
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 5>like I.

888
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Believe me, you know what I mean.

889
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but I'm just saying like I.

890
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 5>Feel like I need there needed to be like another

891
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 5>like we needed to come back to it, like there

892
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.360
<v Speaker 5>has to be something like something else as opposed to

893
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 5>just like this is here and isn't this is this

894
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 5>is this is fucked.

895
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that's why she is the way she is.

896
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 2>This is why her life went off the rails, and

897
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 2>like that can yeah, that can have also.

898
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:37.280
<v Speaker 5>To talk about that she's a drug addict, introduced as

899
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 5>a drug addict in a place where there's all these

900
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 5>magic drugs, but like that never seems to be an

901
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 5>issue for her, like becoming to.

902
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Turn to new leathy Sarah, Yeah, I guess you did.

903
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 3>But it seems like to me, I'm like, well, that's

904
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 3>an great setup. I mean, like now there's a new

905
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 3>thing for it.

906
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 5>I would have loved to see her character have to

907
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 5>deal with that, but like, nope, not not an issue

908
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 5>all of a sudden, and then all at the end

909
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 5>she was like I wasn't even into hard drugs anyway.

910
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Her she didn't do magic when she was a drug addict.

911
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.880
<v Speaker 2>She didn't. I don't think she did magic drugs, just

912
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>regular drugs.

913
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Just regular drugs.

914
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 1>But you're like, so you're why why you know about

915
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 1>magic drugs?

916
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I think she didn't want to know about him yet,

917
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 5>but she was said she did drugs because it helped,

918
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 5>like numb seeing the ghosts.

919
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why are the magic drugs in a separate world

920
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.000
<v Speaker 2>than regular drugs. That's not how drugs work, That's not

921
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>how the economy of drugs work.

922
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't think you know they well, I guess like

923
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 5>that terror or whatever they were made regular drugs and

924
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 5>then went into magic drugs.

925
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess there was some overlap.

926
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 5>But it just says like, I don't know, if you're

927
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 5>drug addict, you'd have tendencies and there's another even more

928
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 5>awesome drug in front of you.

929
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 3>You're telling me that, you know, I.

930
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Want to talk about it if you for her life.

931
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.400
<v Speaker 1>At that point, I'm trying to solve a crime.

932
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess that's such a good point, aren't Why

933
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 5>aren't we Why aren't we doing that? Like drug addicts,

934
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 5>we just need to get them at jobs as police

935
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 5>and have them solve crimes that should help them.

936
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, put some direction into their lives by saying this

937
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>is a murder. You left the alliday, get clean. Get

938
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.719
<v Speaker 2>clean because murder is going on. You never been tried before, Sarah,

939
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:28.559
<v Speaker 2>you might be on something.

940
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Honestly, we do it with my child where you're

941
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 5>like they're they're being annoying or as hell, and then

942
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 5>you're all of a sudden like, oh, I need you

943
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 5>to like can you put this away? And then they're

944
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 5>like okay, they go put the shoe in the bin,

945
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 5>and now they're good.

946
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>All of your twist voice get going for your kid.

947
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 1>There can we talk about the hot ghost to the

948
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.280
<v Speaker 1>king inside her? We talked about the bad ghost. What

949
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:56.639
<v Speaker 1>about the hotties so bad?

950
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Wait, that sounded gross the way you said it.

951
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 2>When she said came inside. There's something that happens later

952
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 2>in the book where ghosts gives you its strength basically

953
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>by like teaming you team up bodies. It's like a.

954
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 5>Nonsense, and then you become a Then you become like

955
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 5>a superhero with ghost strength.

956
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>They just come inside you. They don't come inside you.

957
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm saying. It's confusing, It's that's what I'm

958
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 5>saying it's the rape. Is that what was really happening,

959
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 5>because like, that's confusing.

960
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>So I was not confused by that. But what I

961
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>was into is this bridegroom ghost. Didn't he sound like

962
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>uh roal haughty?

963
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 3>You thought he sounded like a hattie?

964
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why you have to? Can you bring

965
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.239
<v Speaker 5>up the description of him. I don't remember feeling that

966
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 5>way about a description.

967
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me work all.

968
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, Okay, he just don't Yeah. I kind of

969
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 2>pictured him as, uh, greaser type.

970
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

971
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably off.

972
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't his fiance or whatever. She was like had

973
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 3>a baby and from another relationship and she was am

974
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:05.159
<v Speaker 3>I remembering? Is this the right?

975
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 7>No?

976
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, all right, I don't. Then I don't.

977
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall that. I was confused about.

978
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Them because it's I don't like which ghost is.

979
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>The fiance seemed like she was from high society.

980
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that, yeah, that's something Death didn't that.

981
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>But then the bridegroom himself was was taken for entrails

982
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>like he was a hobo or was that?

983
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know. And holbo is a.

984
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Word from the book. I wouldn't use it.

985
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay. His name is Bertram Bryce North, and he is

986
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>also from a wealthy family in New Haven, Connecticut. And

987
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 1>he was engaged to the beautiful Daisy and everyone thought

988
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 1>that he killed her in a murder suicide because he

989
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 1>has uh she she didn't. He dines with a gunshot

990
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to the chest, and he does appear that way in death.

991
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But he's also described as having beautiful black hair and

992
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a well tailored suit.

993
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, Oh was it the suit that? Really?

994
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I just could tell he was hot. I don't understand

995
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 1>why you guys didn't see that as well.

996
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 2>We asked you for the description and we got hair

997
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>color and suits.

998
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but he gave an aura of hotness. I'm

999
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>certain of it.

1000
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.159
<v Speaker 5>I know anyone, Johanna, are we do we need to

1001
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 5>talk about your sexual attraction to ghosts?

1002
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Is that part of maybe she likes ghosts?

1003
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 1>There were like fifty ghosts in the book. I pick

1004
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>one that I said was hot, and suddenly I'm attracted

1005
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to ghost I.

1006
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Would say, no, one follows most perfectly.

1007
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>He was a ghost.

1008
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, neither of us are professing any attraction to any

1009
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:43.719
<v Speaker 3>of the ghosts.

1010
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even say I was attractive. I just said

1011
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 1>he was objectively handsome. Would agree, Okay, but you also

1012
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 1>described him as coming inside her, like you really this

1013
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 1>ghost you use that phrase before I did. It is true.

1014
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how else to describe what a ghost

1015
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 1>enters into the body of a person. They come inside

1016
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the person. I don't know how else to say that.

1017
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard to ape ghost. And that's not the

1018
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 2>kind that's different. This she had the bridegroom could bucked

1019
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 2>inside her to give her strength to fight another man's

1020
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>that's another thing.

1021
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 1>He's strong.

1022
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's hot. Yeah, that's sure strength. I don't know,

1023
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, but yeah, or little her girlfriend or whatever.

1024
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>She also had incredible strength. And I don't think she

1025
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.480
<v Speaker 3>was like an insanely strong regular woman. She just ghost

1026
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 3>have super strength.

1027
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 2>She was a drug addict as well. I don't think

1028
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 2>they're usually known for their strength unless they're on the magic.

1029
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Drug when she was when she died, So she died

1030
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 1>of it.

1031
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you the difference between all the society.

1032
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>I thought that the bad drug dealer kind of killed her.

1033
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I think she died of an overdose from the drug

1034
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 1>that he gave her.

1035
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought it was more his fault because she

1036
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 2>I feel.

1037
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Like it must have been his fault somehow.

1038
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Alex murders him so bad that that's not really very fair.

1039
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just from drugs.

1040
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like something. But he shoes me raped

1041
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 3>or something on.

1042
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 2>A right, They talked about how like women don't want

1043
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to be alone with that guy and he's a violent

1044
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>creep with women. I'm gonna say that he had something

1045
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>to do with her friend's death because then she murders

1046
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 2>him with a baseball.

1047
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 5>At that and everyone else, everyone else there must have

1048
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 5>been pretty bad.

1049
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I felt bad for the so her boyfriend who

1050
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 2>was like had been bad to her and hit her

1051
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and was like cover up the death she killed him.

1052
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Was like, okay, I get it. She killed the guy

1053
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>who I think killed her friend. Okay, get it. But

1054
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>then there was just another guy there who was just

1055
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:03.440
<v Speaker 2>carrying like the feet.

1056
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Of the corpse.

1057
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 2>She smashed him to death too. That didn't seem very fair.

1058
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I thought I would do that. If somebody did that

1059
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to my dead body, I would murder them. Carried the foot, yeah,

1060
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>if they if you carried murder you, yeah, no, I

1061
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 1>would murder you, all right.

1062
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely about What about the e mts. Don't

1063
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 2>they need to carry you're helping.

1064
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 1>If you're carrying my dead body with intent to hide it,

1065
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to murder you one hundred percent. I'm with Helly.

1066
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Violent murder, don't get it has to be violent.

1067
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.360
<v Speaker 5>How do you know whether to violently murder or make

1068
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.400
<v Speaker 5>them eat poop? How do you how do you know

1069
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:41.800
<v Speaker 5>which one?

1070
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>To Sarah's referencing another moment in the book, another thing

1071
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 1>that can happen under a magic.

1072
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Should have had a figure warning right before it happened,

1073
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Like if you don't read this chapter, if you're trying

1074
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to eat dinner.

1075
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you exactly. This is my point. Okay, once we start,

1076
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 1>where do we stop?

1077
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't have appreciated that trigger warning.

1078
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I would have. I didn't need that. It was horrible.

1079
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really fucking gross.

1080
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I bet Sarah loved it. The poop thing, Yeah, sah, pop.

1081
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I do love poop.

1082
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I think poop is funny. I didn't think this was funny.

1083
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to since you brought it up, do

1084
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>you want to describe what happens?

1085
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so we know her roommate who exists just to

1086
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 5>be raped is raped and she watches and also gets

1087
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 5>a video of it. Very uh, you know, that's very

1088
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.920
<v Speaker 5>helpful because then Alex can watch and see that she

1089
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.960
<v Speaker 5>has a she's acting really into it and compliant. But

1090
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.559
<v Speaker 5>then she sticks her tongue out and she could see

1091
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 5>it's a red tongue or like purple tongue. She knows

1092
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 5>it's this magical roofie, so she knows what's going on,

1093
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 5>so she goes gets some other houses magic to go

1094
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 5>make him compliant. So like another is it was? It

1095
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 5>wasn't the coin again?

1096
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 6>Was it?

1097
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 3>What was it this time?

1098
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 2>It's something else this time?

1099
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, type of magic, just a bunch of different forms,

1100
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.000
<v Speaker 5>takes something like that coin and he just he gets

1101
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 5>her his gets his phone, deletes.

1102
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Evidence off the phone.

1103
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's been doing this to a lot of women,

1104
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.719
<v Speaker 5>and he records it. I don't know what's that's pretty

1105
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 5>dumb and I don't know. I didn't understand either of

1106
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 5>those guys doing that. But anyway, and then she's like,

1107
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 5>that's not enough. I have to punish him. He's gonna

1108
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.760
<v Speaker 5>he's gonna get away with this. Not she's he's gonna

1109
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:57.199
<v Speaker 5>get away with it. Because Alex deleted the videos and

1110
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 5>is not pursuing any legal and she has she.

1111
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Has a police officer's phone number, and she does not

1112
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 2>text him the video.

1113
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 5>And she understands how it happened, and she could easily

1114
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 5>prove it, but it's okay. She doesn't want that kind

1115
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:15.360
<v Speaker 5>of She prefers her type of justice, which sometimes is

1116
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 5>murdering with a bat. But this time was just I'm

1117
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 5>going to tell you to go to the toilet and

1118
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to film you eating poop and then I'm

1119
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:22.000
<v Speaker 5>going to post it.

1120
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1121
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I loved it perfect.

1122
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, maybe get real justice, like what he

1123
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 3>really did?

1124
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 9>Right?

1125
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Are they really going to give her real justice? Though

1126
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 1>another commentary.

1127
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>It might I might send him did you a video?

1128
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Rape?

1129
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 1>But the point is it was going to get out there,

1130
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 1>people were going to see it. It was going to

1131
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>embarrass her, or we can just make it go away?

1132
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 3>And how I feel like, wasn't this couldn't this been

1133
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:55.199
<v Speaker 3>backed up anywhere? Like usually things either just leave the

1134
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.599
<v Speaker 3>phone doesn't remove. I don't even notice.

1135
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I was like automatically on the cloud and.

1136
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.719
<v Speaker 5>Then the only magic that was happening was that's the magic,

1137
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.960
<v Speaker 5>so that it didn't like get shared. The video didn't

1138
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 5>get shared. It's like that was like the point of

1139
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.679
<v Speaker 5>the magic she was using. But it's like, how about

1140
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 5>just magic to like delete it if that's the goal.

1141
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 5>I don't understand why the magic did this and not

1142
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 5>the simpler thing.

1143
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Whdn't you used your magic to protect your friends from

1144
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 2>that in the first place.

1145
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 5>This magic instead is like makes your Wi Fi signal

1146
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 5>week That's what like that magic was doing.

1147
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, what's that's dumb magic.

1148
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Neither one of you have been to sale up.

1149
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that here's the problem with having making him

1150
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 2>eat poop instead of going to the police. He's free

1151
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to attack again. Yeah, and it is what happens. Yeah,

1152
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.159
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't come back to rape her. Maybe he rapes again.

1153
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't hear about it in the book. But he

1154
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>does come back to kill her again because he's a

1155
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>free man.

1156
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and he hates Yeah didn't I don't know. I

1157
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.239
<v Speaker 5>didn't understand it. It's fun, that's what it's like. She's

1158
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.719
<v Speaker 5>she's got She does this like righteous stuff sometimes, but

1159
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 5>it's like, well, okay, are you a survivor are you

1160
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:10.400
<v Speaker 5>doing something righteous? This is like.

1161
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you, guys. Did you not

1162
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>find the book imaginative.

1163
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>It annoyed me.

1164
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Then imaginative, imaginative and tedious.

1165
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 5>I guess this maybe it just feels like a lot

1166
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 5>And like I said, it all ran together, like I

1167
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 5>honestly could. She kept talking about all the houses and

1168
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.239
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I honestly can't tell the difference between them. Yep,

1169
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.639
<v Speaker 5>I get they do different things, but like it's not

1170
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.239
<v Speaker 5>like I'm like this is the good one or like

1171
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.599
<v Speaker 5>this is the one that like it's the rich boys,

1172
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 5>but like but they're really trying to, you know, open up,

1173
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 5>and they let them.

1174
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It was just like they were all

1175
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 3>the same. They all were the same and did one

1176
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 3>they did one thing that was bad, and none of.

1177
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Them were good.

1178
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 3>And that's not very interesting commentary.

1179
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 2>It seems like if the richest people in our world

1180
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>had magic, far worse things would be happening than happened

1181
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in this book Andy.

1182
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 3>And maybe they are.

1183
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>That might be what's happening. I think her hands were

1184
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 1>tied with the eight houses, because that's like a truth

1185
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 1>of Yale. And I do think that was like a

1186
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>little too much for us.

1187
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, that sounds like we have the problem with comprehension.

1188
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Was too many.

1189
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to be nice too, not to me,

1190
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 1>not to be in.

1191
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Sarah and you let's just edit it down.

1192
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it would be like important, but my

1193
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.000
<v Speaker 2>book is focusing on these three.

1194
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 3>The top the three.

1195
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would help. That would have helped the three most.

1196
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Evil, the most ancient. I don't know, there are all

1197
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:44.960
<v Speaker 3>white men.

1198
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, I just felt like it was

1199
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 1>exciting to see a book about magic that didn't have

1200
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>all the same tropes. We've been reading a lot of

1201
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.159
<v Speaker 1>these books recently, and you know, after Akatar, you know,

1202
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I went down that rabbit hole. I read the whole series.

1203
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:05.679
<v Speaker 1>I read the Throne of Glass series, and they're all

1204
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the same. And like the other authors that do books

1205
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like that use the same.

1206
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Tropes and words and yeah, that like the tang of.

1207
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Magic in the air, and I felt like this book

1208
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 1>was one where it was like I felt like she

1209
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't read every other book and just take the same stuff.

1210
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 1>It didn't just feel like Lord of the Rings and

1211
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter.

1212
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.239
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think this is like I also think this

1213
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 5>is specific, like this is dark academia. So probably what

1214
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 5>was that witch's book we read that took place at

1215
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 5>like Oxford.

1216
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe that's a history I feel.

1217
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 5>I mean, and I'm not saying it's that different, but

1218
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 5>I just feel discovery of worches.

1219
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like that's maybe more or like that

1220
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 3>type is more.

1221
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you think I haven't gone down the right

1222
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 1>genre rabbit hole, and if I did, I'd be like

1223
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it's all the same. Maybe, but I think no.

1224
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 5>I will also agree that perhaps this is distinct from others,

1225
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 5>but I don't know if that means.

1226
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I liked, yes, like are you really ready to do

1227
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.400
<v Speaker 2>something new on your own?

1228
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:02.639
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1229
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it helped to borrow a bit.

1230
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I guess then it's like, oh, maybe something's happened,

1231
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.599
<v Speaker 5>and that's good because like, like we said, like we

1232
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.599
<v Speaker 5>haven't even talked about the ending, but it just felt

1233
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:19.519
<v Speaker 5>so like okay, so like the only two adults, two

1234
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 5>of the three adults that we've met in this book

1235
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 5>are the villains, okay, and then like, oh, the super

1236
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 5>Bad is like a woman woman.

1237
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's just nothing felt. It didn't feel like,

1238
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.320
<v Speaker 3>oh that really.

1239
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 5>Came together, Like there was nothing. I mean, I guess

1240
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if how you I felt like you

1241
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:43.559
<v Speaker 5>also were saying John at the ending wasn't for you.

1242
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 5>So I feel like maybe sometimes tropes or exist in

1243
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 5>for a reason, like oh, it's to make a story

1244
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.199
<v Speaker 5>satisfying in some way that like this just seemed like

1245
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 5>it couldn't do because I don't know, maybe it was

1246
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:00.280
<v Speaker 5>trying to be too friend.

1247
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1248
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.559
<v Speaker 2>The super villain at the end ends up being a

1249
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:13.639
<v Speaker 2>professor at Yale who talk about like takeing Alex's side

1250
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.840
<v Speaker 2>at some point in a professorly way and been like

1251
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 2>you're really bad at this, but I believe in you

1252
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.639
<v Speaker 2>or something. Basically, do you want to you can work

1253
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 2>for me in the summer as my caterer, I host

1254
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>parties or something. And then, oh, what do you know,

1255
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 2>she's the real bad guy. I think that was supposed

1256
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 2>to be a bit of a twist, but it was satisfying.

1257
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah we only it was not satisfying at all.

1258
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.039
<v Speaker 1>We rarely it was first Yeah, yes we. I think

1259
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:50.000
<v Speaker 1>she's come up one other time in the book and there.

1260
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So the way Leathy House works is there is it's

1261
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 1>a really stupid house because there's only three members at

1262
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 1>any given time, even though it has all these powerful alumni.

1263
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:05.679
<v Speaker 1>You Virgil Dante and Oculus who or no Virgil Dante and.

1264
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Is something but I don't know if it's.

1265
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Is.

1266
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:12.679
<v Speaker 4>Sorry.

1267
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 1>So there are these roles where it's like the mentor,

1268
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 1>the protege, and then the like administrator of the administrators

1269
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.679
<v Speaker 1>that's DAWs again, remember, Yeah, And then they have a

1270
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.559
<v Speaker 1>connection to like the police of the town, and then

1271
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they have a connection to the school. So they have

1272
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Dean Sando is there like school link and he was

1273
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.280
<v Speaker 1>suspicious from the very beginning because he wasn't doing enough

1274
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 1>to solve the crime.

1275
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I think you mentioned that, Like Darlington went missing

1276
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.039
<v Speaker 5>and that was like the big thing, the big setup

1277
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.280
<v Speaker 5>as the big mystery from the top.

1278
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and he's like he's missing.

1279
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I feel like he was.

1280
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.519
<v Speaker 5>It was weird because it was like the dean was

1281
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.039
<v Speaker 5>really focused, claiming to be focused on it, but then

1282
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.559
<v Speaker 5>like not doing anything to find him at all.

1283
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't okay. He goes missing and they think he's

1284
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 1>in a quote unquote pocket realm of the world and

1285
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, we got a wait for the new

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01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.920
<v Speaker 1>moon to get him out, and then they just missed

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01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the person. If we all know our moons, it only

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01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 1>happens once a moon, yeah, miss it, and they have

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01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to wait for a whole second moon. I would be

1290
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:23.239
<v Speaker 1>filipping out, guys if I ever need rescued. And it's

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01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.199
<v Speaker 1>like there's one day of the month that it works.

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01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Clear your schedules.

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01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:30.320
<v Speaker 5>Because he seems so confident that's what was happening, and

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01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 5>was like why, I mean, I guess I'll accept it

1295
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:37.159
<v Speaker 5>because we're talking magic, but like, apparently that's not actually

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01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:37.840
<v Speaker 5>what happened.

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01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this character is suspicions from the beginning, and

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01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.119
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the book it's like, oh, he

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01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.960
<v Speaker 1>was a bad actor. He's trying to it doesn't matter,

1300
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.159
<v Speaker 1>but he's trying to empower himself. He's gotten into some

1301
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.519
<v Speaker 1>trouble because he's getting divorced. He needed money, so he's

1302
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.559
<v Speaker 1>basically murdering people to try to make money from the clubs.

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01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:00.400
<v Speaker 7>It like.

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01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:07.360
<v Speaker 3>New like so it's not like great, well, it's so funny.

1305
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 5>It's not like a big bad is these like rich

1306
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.280
<v Speaker 5>people who are like a controlling and never have their

1307
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.559
<v Speaker 5>uh they they they can do whatever they want. Unchecked,

1308
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:19.880
<v Speaker 5>those people weren't the big bad. It was the guy

1309
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.960
<v Speaker 5>who just helped them out because he needed money.

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01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:28.519
<v Speaker 2>For Yeah, do they even know that a murder was

1311
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 2>taking place so they could get their new magic realm

1312
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:33.400
<v Speaker 2>hole or whatever.

1313
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Why why are we making them less bad? I don't understand.

1314
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:40.519
<v Speaker 1>That is a very good point. Okay, I'm going give

1315
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you that one.

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01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Nice yeah, but also truly a Yale professor was also

1317
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.440
<v Speaker 5>the real villain because on top of that, she shows

1318
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 5>up speaking French.

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01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 1>It was an academic, a tenured academic was what is this?

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01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:57.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I think also like the only other female character in the.

1322
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Book of a substance Jesus Christ.

1323
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Like, I also want to say my favorite scene in

1324
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the book was I think the book is so creative

1325
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and imaginative. But there's this one moment where Alex has

1326
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:19.599
<v Speaker 1>to die to get information from a dead girl. So

1327
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 1>she's about to go into the rain like this the

1328
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian River. But before she goes in, she's like, oh,

1329
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 1>I realized too late. I was wearing a white T shirt.

1330
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 1>But it was no time to be modest and worry

1331
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 1>about to go. Seeing my breast bulging through my white waist,

1332
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, oh my god, I've forgotten about that.

1333
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:41.800
<v Speaker 1>That was so funny. There are many little moments like

1334
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.079
<v Speaker 1>that that make the book very fun where it's uh

1335
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.159
<v Speaker 1>where it gets it turns from when I say fun,

1336
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean and you do start to go, okay, this

1337
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.239
<v Speaker 1>is there's a reason it's here.

1338
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 5>There's yeah, there's just like sometimes little quips and stuff

1339
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.599
<v Speaker 5>that you're like, okay, you didn't need that, and like

1340
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:03.079
<v Speaker 5>like they wanted she wanted to add some I'm like

1341
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:08.000
<v Speaker 5>this is anti like miss uh yeah, down with misogyny.

1342
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 5>Somebody says something like really, I don't know, kind of

1343
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:15.119
<v Speaker 5>like over the top, and you're like, all right, cool.

1344
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.360
<v Speaker 2>If she could die and then speak to dead people,

1345
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Speaker 2>she couldn't do that for the murder they're trying to solve.

1346
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 1>That's why she did. She wanted to talk to the day.

1347
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 3>It didn't seem like.

1348
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:30.599
<v Speaker 2>It seems like that should be what we should be

1349
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 2>doing for all murders. Then just make it routine.

1350
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Also, I did not like hearing.

1351
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 3>About her dying. Like I was like, no, thank you

1352
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:42.320
<v Speaker 3>to this. Oh yeah yeah that was give me a

1353
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 3>trigger warning.

1354
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:49.280
<v Speaker 5>You have to read like first person perspective of being drowned, right,

1355
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 5>I was like, no, thank you.

1356
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't like that.

1357
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not pleasant. That's super fun.

1358
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Tough thing about it being a horror book, You're gonna have.

1359
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Another question about the world and the magic and stuff.

1360
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 2>So an average person in the world, do they know

1361
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:12.079
<v Speaker 2>that magic exists or not?

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01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.640
<v Speaker 5>I think no, no, because like she didn't know really

1363
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 5>or she knew ghosts existed, but she knew she couldn't

1364
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:21.920
<v Speaker 5>talk about it because people thought she was crazy.

1365
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Seems like that complicates things.

1366
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the bitch people.

1367
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.119
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, does only they kept talking about

1368
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.600
<v Speaker 5>New Haven and being like the reason why, like it's

1369
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:36.920
<v Speaker 5>all all this magic's here, And I was like, do

1370
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 5>our other.

1371
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:41.000
<v Speaker 3>University anybody else got anything? Or is it just Yale?

1372
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1373
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:44.319
<v Speaker 3>And what is what are you saying about?

1374
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Really be that surprised if only rich people knew that

1375
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 1>magic existed, though, like for real, tomorrow we find out

1376
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.119
<v Speaker 1>magic exists and like only the top one percent new

1377
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 1>would that really say?

1378
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't believe it.

1379
01:08:57.159 --> 01:08:59.560
<v Speaker 5>I would think that this is how they justify all

1380
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.920
<v Speaker 5>their shitittiness or something like they're like.

1381
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:03.000
<v Speaker 3>It was just magic.

1382
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.800
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of like people like who are like really

1383
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 5>big athletes are always like give it up to God.

1384
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like just easier to be like there's I'm great

1385
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.920
<v Speaker 3>for other reasons. Nothing to do with me and anything

1386
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:16.720
<v Speaker 3>I might have done.

1387
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:21.079
<v Speaker 1>So if tomorrow you learned, like the whole Kardashian family

1388
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 1>just like did this a spell one time about for

1389
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:26.199
<v Speaker 1>wealth and power, I wouldn't believe it.

1390
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Would have a hard time believe. I'd be like, they

1391
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:31.520
<v Speaker 2>think that's what happened.

1392
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.880
<v Speaker 5>This is if that's what makes them feel better about themselves, Go,

1393
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:36.960
<v Speaker 5>I go have at it.

1394
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think I need Sabrina on this one.

1395
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:41.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is a tough one. When that's Sabrina, I

1396
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:43.880
<v Speaker 5>can sense that. You know I'm not a ghost person.

1397
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:44.640
<v Speaker 3>You know I'm not.

1398
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I feel like I.

1399
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Think just Sabrina would be like, yes, I could see.

1400
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.479
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they added an extra layer of complication

1401
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.199
<v Speaker 2>to the book. So like she had, there's like a

1402
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff where she had to lie to her realm mates

1403
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:05.000
<v Speaker 2>about where she was and what she was doing and

1404
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 2>who Darlington was and why she was always off with him,

1405
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:10.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's like we could just eliminate that and be

1406
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.680
<v Speaker 2>like people know about that. Magic exists, but maybe not

1407
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:18.520
<v Speaker 2>to this extent because like so she told her roommates

1408
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Darlington was her cousin. But then later her roommate calls

1409
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 2>her mom to come visit her, and there's no talk

1410
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 2>at all about like the mom doesn't know that there's

1411
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 2>a fake cousin who's missing very it's just a bit

1412
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:35.520
<v Speaker 2>of a hope. It's like, well, if you're not going

1413
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.359
<v Speaker 2>to do it, don't put in the book. Just make

1414
01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 2>it so that they know that there's magic and she

1415
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to constantly justify to her roommates. And I

1416
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:47.680
<v Speaker 2>guess that's always like throughout the book was bothering me because.

1417
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:48.439
<v Speaker 3>It was always the same thing.

1418
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:50.880
<v Speaker 5>I've got an interview and they were just like, oh,

1419
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.119
<v Speaker 5>you're so mysterious, and it's.

1420
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Like she's gonna get found out. Whenever she was doing something,

1421
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how is she gonna explain this to the roommates?

1422
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.800
<v Speaker 2>It was all not answered.

1423
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:04.039
<v Speaker 6>Like that.

1424
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I remember when it was like I have to change

1425
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.880
<v Speaker 2>out of these blood soaked clothes into my leaf the

1426
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.319
<v Speaker 2>house sweats. Oh it's just a symbol of a leaf

1427
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

1428
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:13.199
<v Speaker 1>The fuck.

1429
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.560
<v Speaker 2>No one's it's not gonna mean anything to anyone. And

1430
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I had like so much anxiety. That's why I remember

1431
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 2>this dull moment.

1432
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:21.319
<v Speaker 1>What did I ask?

1433
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:23.479
<v Speaker 2>What are your roommates asked about it?

1434
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I know it's it's the most secret of secret societies.

1435
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Like the other societies, at least people know they exist,

1436
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:31.920
<v Speaker 1>but no one knows leath the House exists. And then

1437
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it's just like they have leath the House so funny,

1438
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:40.319
<v Speaker 1>like it's they were one step away from having a

1439
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 1>table at like the student there, it's a secret.

1440
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like why it's the house's magic? Why does an

1441
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:52.720
<v Speaker 2>interest have nice clothes for that she could fit and

1442
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 2>wear in?

1443
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

1444
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:57.800
<v Speaker 1>It also the house is mad literally magic, like the

1445
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 1>house like provides your every need and it's it feel like.

1446
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it also pissed me off, like this seems like

1447
01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:07.199
<v Speaker 2>so unnecessary in the book that a lot of the time,

1448
01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:09.159
<v Speaker 2>her excuse to her roommates was like I was going

1449
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:11.359
<v Speaker 2>on a run, I was at the gym, And then

1450
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:13.000
<v Speaker 2>she'd have to be like, but I never work out.

1451
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm just naturally so thin. It's going to catch up

1452
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:16.319
<v Speaker 2>to me eventually.

1453
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Fuck off. Why would you put that in a book

1454
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.479
<v Speaker 1>for women? Can at please remind me that.

1455
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:25.880
<v Speaker 5>She's like on drugs or something like yes, yeah, yeah,

1456
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 5>but I never work out that.

1457
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I take You're right, okay, you guys are poking a

1458
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:34.119
<v Speaker 1>few holes.

1459
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I know there's probably a lot of stuff.

1460
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.199
<v Speaker 5>I don't think Darlington also like, uh, I think I

1461
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.680
<v Speaker 5>also felt unsatisfying the book because like the Darlington mystery

1462
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 5>was left open. I get that's like, oh, now you

1463
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:50.600
<v Speaker 5>have to read the next one, but I'm not going to.

1464
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:53.960
<v Speaker 5>So I just felt like it started out so there

1465
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:56.680
<v Speaker 5>was so much Darlington in the flashbacks and to never

1466
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 5>have him actually be in the present or actually be

1467
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:05.319
<v Speaker 5>in part of the plot pushing it just like when

1468
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:07.039
<v Speaker 5>we were in that last two undred pages, I was like, well,

1469
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:09.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm glad things are finally happening, but like, when are

1470
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 5>we gonna when is this gonna come back to Darling?

1471
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:14.520
<v Speaker 5>And then and then it was like the last page,

1472
01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:20.199
<v Speaker 5>I'll say something that all right, sure, I don't like

1473
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.039
<v Speaker 5>we got out of the demon his.

1474
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:28.159
<v Speaker 2>His perspective chapters from his perspective early on, Like wait,

1475
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:29.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe we could have had that.

1476
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:32.079
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't be surprised that she didn't know what the

1477
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.960
<v Speaker 5>ending of this book was while she was writing it,

1478
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:34.960
<v Speaker 5>Like it just.

1479
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Felt like still have him not be rescued yet and

1480
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.239
<v Speaker 2>give us a perspective where he's like, I don't know

1481
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. I'm in inside the mouth of a

1482
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.239
<v Speaker 2>demon or whatever. Monster or something like. Yeah, I don't,

1483
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.079
<v Speaker 2>and you can still set up your sequel while not

1484
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:52.079
<v Speaker 2>well not completely ignoring him for a book.

1485
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she pulled to Stephen king ending?

1486
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:56.319
<v Speaker 7>Is that so bad?

1487
01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:56.680
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

1488
01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:58.319
<v Speaker 3>Is that why you? Why do you call this a

1489
01:13:58.359 --> 01:13:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Stephen king ending.

1490
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Because he doesn't have them? Okay, notoriously off.

1491
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:06.720
<v Speaker 3>But there you go. Then it makes sense why he

1492
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:07.600
<v Speaker 3>was all about it.

1493
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a compliment. I think it makes a

1494
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:09.640
<v Speaker 1>book better.

1495
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Having not having an ending makes a book better.

1496
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:19.479
<v Speaker 5>It's okay, sure, yeah, I don't know, and I guess

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01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 5>the big thing for this book is just so fucking long.

1498
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 3>Like it was too long. It could have been edited

1499
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:28.000
<v Speaker 3>in a lot down. I don't.

1500
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you'd take about the splits.

1501
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:32.079
<v Speaker 6>We just.

1502
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there's a lot you could take it out.

1503
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:42.279
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, Wait, is is Alex like bye or

1504
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:48.000
<v Speaker 5>gay or something? Sorry, nobody felt that way. I thought,

1505
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.760
<v Speaker 5>like maybe that the girl there was like something going

1506
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:52.920
<v Speaker 5>on there, but it wasn't.

1507
01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just a French.

1508
01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Like the girl from the past who became a ghost

1509
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:02.640
<v Speaker 3>and inhibited her.

1510
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I think they were just like trauma bonded,

1511
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:09.479
<v Speaker 1>only had each other.

1512
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.840
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, and then also sorry when you talking about

1513
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:17.439
<v Speaker 5>the flashback where like Darlington somebody like makes him take

1514
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.600
<v Speaker 5>something that makes him like super horny, and then he

1515
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 5>like also kind of sexual assaults Atlex And it was

1516
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.000
<v Speaker 5>confusing to me because I was like, was this like

1517
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 5>them both like they both really like each other and

1518
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:36.359
<v Speaker 5>this is like it's finally coming out in this because

1519
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 5>he did. But then that wasn't it, And I was

1520
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.239
<v Speaker 5>just like why why was why did that have to happen?

1521
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:43.319
<v Speaker 5>She seems so chill about it?

1522
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:50.960
<v Speaker 2>What's Yeah, he gets magiced into humping her and she's

1523
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:56.039
<v Speaker 2>like it's cool, and it's like, yeah, it wouldn't have

1524
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:57.399
<v Speaker 2>been interesting if.

1525
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Like it shouldn't be drawn like her trigger in some way.

1526
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1527
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand it would have been an interesting if

1528
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.920
<v Speaker 2>it was like we and we like each other and

1529
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.359
<v Speaker 2>like it was some sort of inner thing that Darlington

1530
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 2>hadn't been, you know, yeah.

1531
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.119
<v Speaker 5>And that like oh and actually liked him and then

1532
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:17.399
<v Speaker 5>but you like obviously their first encounter was not fully consensual,

1533
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:18.279
<v Speaker 5>but like it's she.

1534
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Didn't know how to do. I don't know. I thought

1535
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:21.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe something was how gonna happen.

1536
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there were times in the book when he

1537
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 2>was missing, and she was like, I crawled into his

1538
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:25.520
<v Speaker 2>bed and.

1539
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I thought me, like, right, I thought we were

1540
01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:31.520
<v Speaker 5>going to get back to I thought they for sure

1541
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:33.039
<v Speaker 5>had sex at some point and we were going to

1542
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:34.199
<v Speaker 5>get to that in a flashback.

1543
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.039
<v Speaker 3>But it never happened. So I was like, Okay, I

1544
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:37.000
<v Speaker 3>don't understand what.

1545
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Allah Instead, he just disappeared a monster.

1546
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, you know, a monster. He went into

1547
01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.239
<v Speaker 1>a monster's mouth, he went inside a monster.

1548
01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.760
<v Speaker 3>He came inside of monster. I deemon.

1549
01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, this is the first book in a

1550
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.600
<v Speaker 1>three book series, so I think they're setting up a realm.

1551
01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:58.119
<v Speaker 3>You do, Okay, I wasn't.

1552
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.439
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I thought maybe, but then like, because of

1553
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:03.720
<v Speaker 5>the way you're acted, was like, is this like is

1554
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.000
<v Speaker 5>this another Oh she's she's subverting a trope that. Oh

1555
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.560
<v Speaker 5>you're fucked up because you thought these two characters, just

1556
01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:14.039
<v Speaker 5>because they're male and female, we're gonna end up together.

1557
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:15.920
<v Speaker 3>That's fucked up.

1558
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.960
<v Speaker 5>They're completely platonic and he actually assaults her.

1559
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:22.760
<v Speaker 3>And she doesn't even care. They're that platonic.

1560
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:28.920
<v Speaker 5>Like, I don't know what exactly happens, but guess I

1561
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:30.960
<v Speaker 5>don't know, Yeah, guess Johnna, you'll have to tell us.

1562
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I will be telling you.

1563
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please, because I don't want to even have to

1564
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:37.680
<v Speaker 2>look it up, but i'd like to know.

1565
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'll be starting hell Bent right after I

1566
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.279
<v Speaker 1>finish four hundred and thirty eight Days a Story of

1567
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Survival on this scene reading list.

1568
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 5>Oh did if you guys go to the Wikipedia and

1569
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.720
<v Speaker 5>there is no plot synomous?

1570
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.119
<v Speaker 3>But I was actually it was I've never been more

1571
01:17:58.159 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 3>pissed off.

1572
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:01.079
<v Speaker 5>I was like, because I was like, I'll check this

1573
01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.000
<v Speaker 5>out just you know, see what I missed or if

1574
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:03.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm confused about it.

1575
01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you fucking kidding me.

1576
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Can't be summed up, can't be done? JOHNA, why don't

1577
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:11.239
<v Speaker 2>you copy and paste yours?

1578
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:16.119
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna add it right now. Let's see how

1579
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:18.720
<v Speaker 1>it goes. Let's see if I get bumped.

1580
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, huge.

1581
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.920
<v Speaker 1>If it stays, this will be my first Wikipedia. Look,

1582
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:24.560
<v Speaker 1>they need it.

1583
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It's there like they want it. Clearly it's set up

1584
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:29.159
<v Speaker 3>to have it. Yeah.

1585
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:31.119
<v Speaker 5>Well, anyway, this book was it's gonna be on the

1586
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:33.119
<v Speaker 5>We don't think we talked about this or did you

1587
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:35.880
<v Speaker 5>when I was messing with my mic that it's going

1588
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:38.119
<v Speaker 5>to be an adaptation for Amazon Studios.

1589
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:38.880
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be a.

1590
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.760
<v Speaker 2>No, we didn't. We solely made fun of you doing.

1591
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.479
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, okay, okay, well yeah, we had our own

1592
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:46.199
<v Speaker 5>private it's gonna be that's gonna happen.

1593
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 3>So we'll see what they do with it.

1594
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:52.399
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah. I don't think I'm gonna watch it.

1595
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.479
<v Speaker 5>I did think this was because I had heard of

1596
01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:58.000
<v Speaker 5>what is the one on its skull and bones? Is

1597
01:18:58.039 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 5>that the one that's actually on netflick that's by her?

1598
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.279
<v Speaker 5>I thought this is maybe the same thing, and I

1599
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:04.960
<v Speaker 5>was like, oh, maybe i'll watch it. I didn't really

1600
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:06.359
<v Speaker 5>and then I was like, oh, no, it's not this,

1601
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 5>it's a different thing.

1602
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:12.279
<v Speaker 3>The Grays ghosts were called the Grays. Sorry? Is that

1603
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:13.399
<v Speaker 3>something you knew? Joanna?

1604
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:13.720
<v Speaker 6>Oh?

1605
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

1606
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Is that something you're familiar with from your time at

1607
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:19.119
<v Speaker 3>Salem or whatever.

1608
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Salem or whatever? How dare you mean that term ghost

1609
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.680
<v Speaker 1>being Grays? I think it's really cool now.

1610
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.039
<v Speaker 2>They're called the Grays because other people could see them

1611
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but only in black and white, but Alex could see

1612
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>them in color.

1613
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:42.159
<v Speaker 5>I think that's true. I don't think that other people

1614
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.319
<v Speaker 5>can see them unless they're like have magic. They do

1615
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.279
<v Speaker 5>some magic ritual, but they only show up as grays,

1616
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:55.039
<v Speaker 5>and for her they're like, yeah, super colorful, super.

1617
01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Hot, really super hot apparently for her and JOHNA.

1618
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I it wasn't an attraction. It was just a

1619
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:05.079
<v Speaker 1>statement of fact.

1620
01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:05.840
<v Speaker 3>This is just like.

1621
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have sex with a ghost.

1622
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to be clear. I think they'd be cold.

1623
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Then I wouldn't like that.

1624
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Cold.

1625
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.399
<v Speaker 1>It sounds awful. Sounds cold to be uncomfortable, You're gonna

1626
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 1>be chillier. What if they like came inside you and

1627
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>then like they they like use you to masturbate.

1628
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Would that be okay?

1629
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:37.399
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's that sounds bad.

1630
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:44.720
<v Speaker 1>It sounds really scenario for something that could happen in

1631
01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:49.119
<v Speaker 1>my life. I wouldn't be cold with ghost.

1632
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:51.439
<v Speaker 3>To come.

1633
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:57.199
<v Speaker 7>They came like they inhibited you, and then they were

1634
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.760
<v Speaker 7>like I control your body. I'm taking my think he's

1635
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.880
<v Speaker 7>down south. Twinkle tinkle twinkle.

1636
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 1>No, I have the initial I still think it'd be

1637
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:19.159
<v Speaker 1>very cold. I still still be quite really weird, really

1638
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:23.000
<v Speaker 1>really bad. I think I'd be really really really scared

1639
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.680
<v Speaker 1>because like the number one thing that's happening is a

1640
01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:29.439
<v Speaker 1>ghost has possessed my body.

1641
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:30.640
<v Speaker 4>Even though.

1642
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's like hot. I don't think it's hot.

1643
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.319
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really really if the ghost Dark is

1644
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:44.000
<v Speaker 1>wearing a suit and has a hole in his chest, no,

1645
01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I just think he was attractive in life. Probably I was.

1646
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she is backed hard.

1647
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I wasn't attracted to the ghost. All of my

1648
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:01.640
<v Speaker 1>love is saved for recent Okay, Okay, I don't have

1649
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:02.880
<v Speaker 1>room in my heart for others.

1650
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:03.880
<v Speaker 3>All right, that's fair.

1651
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:07.079
<v Speaker 5>When maybe we'll see what she does in the second book,

1652
01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.720
<v Speaker 5>and if I don't know, I don't actually want.

1653
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:11.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't think she's going to do anything that's hot.

1654
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:16.279
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't seem like, doesn't approach hot.

1655
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's made that. Maybe honestly I could boil down

1656
01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.159
<v Speaker 3>to this book. It's very hot. Could be my big

1657
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:23.720
<v Speaker 3>issue with it.

1658
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of your issues, all that magic

1659
01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and nothing hot.

1660
01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:52.239
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, should we get out of here?

1661
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>All right? Have we done it?

1662
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 3>We're doing We're at the our hate rates. I'm ready, Well,

1663
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.680
<v Speaker 3>you should do good reaching Oh shit, yeah please.

1664
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I just want this episode because we didn't need

1665
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:10.039
<v Speaker 1>more than one. Award winning horror author Stephen King called

1666
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Ninth House the best fantasy novel i've read in years

1667
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:17.439
<v Speaker 1>because it's about real people. Barduco's imaginative reach is brilliant,

1668
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and the story, full of shocks and twists, is impossible

1669
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:20.479
<v Speaker 1>to put down.

1670
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Something I already said it was. You thought it was

1671
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:29.399
<v Speaker 3>a documentary. It's real, the houses are real, magic is real.

1672
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I like it five stars, so I don't think we

1673
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.039
<v Speaker 1>need to hear from anybody else out there, the Master

1674
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of Horror.

1675
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I'll weigh in, so you're out of five?

1676
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Fuck off what you're okay?

1677
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't like reading about rape. I don't

1678
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:55.159
<v Speaker 2>like reading about poop eating. I don't like people in

1679
01:23:55.239 --> 01:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>baseball beds. I don't like the the uh more practical

1680
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>stress of her roommates finding out, and I don't like it.

1681
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't you needed a trigger warning for the roommates stuff.

1682
01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I didn't. I couldn't handle it. I just didn't

1683
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:21.359
<v Speaker 2>like it. So I gonna get you any stars from me.

1684
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's a lying that's so funny. All right, I'll

1685
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 3>go next.

1686
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:31.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna give it a three out of five because yeah,

1687
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.119
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think I complained about this book a lot.

1688
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:37.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't necessarily, but I like also compared to other

1689
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.199
<v Speaker 5>books we've read, kid say, it was you know, the

1690
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:44.680
<v Speaker 5>writing was good, and uh, somebody did a lot of

1691
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:51.359
<v Speaker 5>research and invented things, which, you know, good on them.

1692
01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

1693
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess. So I don't like I don't like reading

1694
01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>about the ivy Leaku.

1695
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think I also have the same I also

1696
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:02.239
<v Speaker 5>didn't talk about it was like pretentious people and but like.

1697
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.800
<v Speaker 3>They didn't. I don't know, I just, yeah, a.

1698
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Little bit of a funk off, you know what I mean?

1699
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:09.479
<v Speaker 4>Kind of I don't.

1700
01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:12.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't have I don't want to hear about secret societies.

1701
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:17.119
<v Speaker 5>I honestly don't glorified fratilities whatever.

1702
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, but I get why. I guess I can

1703
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.079
<v Speaker 3>understand why some people might like the book.

1704
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.640
<v Speaker 5>Uh, Like I said, the writing was good, so I

1705
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:29.520
<v Speaker 5>couldn't give it a three to five because I'm sure

1706
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:31.920
<v Speaker 5>that some of you will like it.

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01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's a good nut The writing

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01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:36.680
<v Speaker 3>was good that she's.

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01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Like the sentence structure structure, Yeah, yeah, grammatically impressive.

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01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Pull that for a pool quote on the back of

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01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the book. Good sentences that'll sell it. Yeah, Okay, Well,

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01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I love reading about the Ivy league, Jean, I fucking

1713
01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:57.279
<v Speaker 1>love read about secret society.

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01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:04.479
<v Speaker 2>What about the other stuff? I didn't like the poop, you.

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01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Know, the poop I didn't bother me. I thought it

1716
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>was funny that he had a shit eating grin and

1717
01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>then he had to eat shit.

1718
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Literally was funny.

1719
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that. That's punch.

1720
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:16.560
<v Speaker 1>It was an eye roll.

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01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, John, I thought you hated puns.

1722
01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:21.279
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point.

1723
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Who said that you like puns? I feel fun about puns.

1724
01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I think a good well placed pun here like.

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01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Can you from episode three oh five where she said

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01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:32.640
<v Speaker 3>she hates I thought.

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01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.119
<v Speaker 2>You found puns to be the lowest form of humor.

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01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have we have been aligned on that.

1729
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you maybe have a tattoo about how

1730
01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:42.960
<v Speaker 2>puns are bad humor or low humor.

1731
01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like I have a tattoo about how

1732
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>important the Oxford comments.

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01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and also this tattoo right that I'm talking about,

1734
01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>do'se go together? I feel.

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01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I actually think poop jokes are some of the lowest

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01:26:59.439 --> 01:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>form of humor.

1737
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Wow, attacking me?

1738
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I see, Okay, so a puon poop joke you're totally

1739
01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>down for.

1740
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.439
<v Speaker 1>But somehow that it came together. It transcended the form,

1741
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and I came around on it and it worked. It

1742
01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>worked in the end. This book is clear five out

1743
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>of five. I'm so glad I read it. If Mean

1744
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Book Club hadn't brought into my life, I might have

1745
01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>missed this one, and that would have been a tragedy.

1746
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:24.479
<v Speaker 1>I would have missed a great book that's out there.

1747
01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:26.560
<v Speaker 3>So read it.

1748
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Don't hesitate to pick this one up. Have some fun,

1749
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>treat yourself to a nice piece of literature.

1750
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Three weeks.

1751
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very reasonable amount of time to

1752
01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>have to read a book. I hope you have three

1753
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>weeks as well. I hope you can luxuriate in it.

1754
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And I would say, don't feel like you have to finish.

1755
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>You could stop somewhere around page four hundred and just

1756
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>set it aside and never come back to it, but

1757
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>then on the bed, and that'll be the best experience.

1758
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>You guys still do little fucker.

1759
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Or we're doing We've been doing little fucker.

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01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:05.000
<v Speaker 5>And if you're curious for how both Johnna I believe

1761
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:07.640
<v Speaker 5>and I have one little fucker in previous apps.

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01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm pretty sure you've won before.

1763
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Clara.

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01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:13.199
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was afraid of.

1765
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I think James James Koker might have.

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01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I don't think Clara won. I think James

1767
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:18.560
<v Speaker 3>voted for her.

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01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Vote for me.

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01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, because you weren't there.

1770
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:22.479
<v Speaker 2>This is problem.

1771
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm not there to deffect yourself.

1772
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm going to vote for John because she

1773
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.239
<v Speaker 2>liked the book and I didn't like the book.

1774
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:39.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not a good reason, I I I understand that.

1775
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:43.039
<v Speaker 5>I mean, obviously, for me, I'm glad John was here

1776
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:46.079
<v Speaker 5>because you know, it's nice to have that different perspective.

1777
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>But she also is really annoying.

1778
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:52.800
<v Speaker 5>And about she was really backtracking on being horny for

1779
01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:54.119
<v Speaker 5>ghosts instead of just.

1780
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Except leaning into it and speaking proudly of it. And

1781
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.880
<v Speaker 3>then she came at me with like the of course

1782
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:05.079
<v Speaker 3>you like the poop eating part. So I'm also going

1783
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>for Johnna.

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01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay. I have caused for Sarah for this little

1785
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>whole little segment, for her question of whether I would

1786
01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>want to go goes to come inside my body and

1787
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>forced me to masturbate, and whether I would like.

1788
01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:28.319
<v Speaker 5>Iry ways to help you, like you want to get

1789
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:29.119
<v Speaker 5>the ghost?

1790
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.439
<v Speaker 7>You were like, oh, you're like afraid of the cold

1791
01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:34.760
<v Speaker 7>touch of the ghost, so I was trying to help.

1792
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I also have cause to come at Clara because I

1793
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>think her little fucker. It was also an attack on me,

1794
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>but worse, it was phoned in, And so for that reason,

1795
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.439
<v Speaker 1>my little fucker is Clara. I don't I don't ever

1796
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:55.119
<v Speaker 1>think little fucker should be phoned in. It's you know,

1797
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>you're attacking someone, You're coming at them, You're ending the

1798
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:01.399
<v Speaker 1>episode by taking them down a peg. And to do it,

1799
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 1>but also to not even care and give an effort

1800
01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:07.359
<v Speaker 1>into doing it, I think is insulted.

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01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess I could have gone specific. I guess

1802
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I could have been like sarahen said, you are annoying.

1803
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:17.199
<v Speaker 1>And loved it there.

1804
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess that would have made you feel better.

1805
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:19.720
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

1806
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:24.239
<v Speaker 3>That would mean yeah, she likes when people are mean

1807
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:24.600
<v Speaker 3>to her.

1808
01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I had a hard time pick. I guess I should

1809
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>preface it with like, I don't have a strong feeling

1810
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>against either of you, so if I have to do

1811
01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>it is for this small reason.

1812
01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>All right.

1813
01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:39.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think you should blow up the

1814
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:40.319
<v Speaker 3>small reason, but I agree.

1815
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:43.960
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, John, Okay, it's because she said she tried

1816
01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to make it be like I haven't been to Salem.

1817
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Also, John, I've seen something that says animal hero of

1818
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the episode.

1819
01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:53.920
<v Speaker 7>Is this mean.

1820
01:30:56.159 --> 01:31:05.399
<v Speaker 9>Proudly present animal hero? Oh the episode?

1821
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought that might be a fun segment to add

1822
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>where we talk about an animal hero, like.

1823
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:22.960
<v Speaker 3>The wolf thingy is that live at the house that

1824
01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:23.479
<v Speaker 3>came in?

1825
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

1826
01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I just it was it's unrelated to the book.

1827
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:29.479
<v Speaker 1>I thought we could anytime it's your time to produce,

1828
01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>you could bring an animal that you think was heroic.

1829
01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well here's your animal hero of the episode.

1830
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so my first, my inaugural animal hero of the

1831
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>episode goes to a goat. I don't remember the goat's name,

1832
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>but so he was thrown into a tiger cage to

1833
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.079
<v Speaker 1>become food for a tiger.

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01:31:55.880 --> 01:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>He's alive, he had, yeah, he had in shape and

1835
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:04.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff not yeah, so after the people at the zoo.

1836
01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure. So the thing about this goat is he had

1837
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:13.119
<v Speaker 1>such bed in the book that I don't think you're

1838
01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:17.159
<v Speaker 1>understanding animal heroes. It says the episode. I guess I

1839
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>really thought that this must be.

1840
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Something that happened in the it's not.

1841
01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:26.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just talking about an animal hero and the producer

1842
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>of the episode will bring in their animal.

1843
01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:35.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, I mean to agree, all right, His goat.

1844
01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Was thrown into a tires pen enclosure to be food.

1845
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:43.359
<v Speaker 1>But the goat has such bde that dick energy. The

1846
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:47.319
<v Speaker 1>tiger didn't eat the goat, and eventually within a couple

1847
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:52.119
<v Speaker 1>of days, the goat was living in the tiger's house

1848
01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and the tiger had to sleep out.

1849
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with the tiger.

1850
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>And lived with the tiger for years.

1851
01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:07.039
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a nice inter animal inter species friendship

1852
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the goat somehow, No, it's just like dominated the tiger.

1853
01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:15.399
<v Speaker 1>And tiger made the tiger scared to even go into

1854
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:18.439
<v Speaker 1>its own house and just ran the enclosure. And then

1855
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:21.479
<v Speaker 1>subsequent goats were thrown in the tiger.

1856
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh that is funny. What the fuck.

1857
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Live together?

1858
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.920
<v Speaker 3>When? When bo is that?

1859
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, if that's important to animal Hear of the week,

1860
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I can include details like that.

1861
01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Well this one, yeah, for this one? Yeah?

1862
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Why is this not?

1863
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Why are we not studying what happened.

1864
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:45.880
<v Speaker 3>All of it?

1865
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's all about, you know, attitude. You know,

1866
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>people like to have that hang in their kitten on

1867
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>their office walls. It's a kitten hanging on to a

1868
01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>little string by one claw. I think we should all

1869
01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.479
<v Speaker 1>know about Timmer. Okay, two thousand and fifteen, he was

1870
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>placed into Siberian tiger's enclosure as live prey at the

1871
01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Primorski Safari Park in Russia, and instead of being eaten,

1872
01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>he befriended the tiger a more Wow. The pair made

1873
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>headlines for their unexpected friendship, living together for several years

1874
01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>before the goat's behavior led to a fight and their

1875
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:20.119
<v Speaker 1>eventually the goat.

1876
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:20.479
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1877
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, well taking they were friend I think it

1878
01:34:24.520 --> 01:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was just a power thing. But I just think it's

1879
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.399
<v Speaker 1>all about your attitude. Imagine you're meant to be food

1880
01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and you become CEO, and I think that's we all

1881
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:34.720
<v Speaker 1>should be a little bit more of a Timmer and

1882
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>less of an Amber.

1883
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh the goat and the goat did die in twenty nineteen.

1884
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:40.720
<v Speaker 3>That's so sad.

1885
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Ye rest in peace. Oh they spent their days walking,

1886
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:48.119
<v Speaker 1>playing with the ball and resting together. I think the

1887
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:50.479
<v Speaker 1>tiger was afraid the entire time. I'm not trying to

1888
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>make this an unlikely animal friendship. I'm trying to make

1889
01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:55.479
<v Speaker 1>this about Timmer's power.

1890
01:34:56.640 --> 01:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>The taking is Home thing is big, Like, yeah, they

1891
01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>might have played together, We've all played the that kid

1892
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:07.079
<v Speaker 2>who like hits you in the face with the ball

1893
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and laughs like.

1894
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that they stay together. All right, Well you know what? Interesting? Okay?

1895
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so anyway, pretty cool.

1896
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that when I'm the producer, I'm

1897
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:21.039
<v Speaker 2>gonna do this.

1898
01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna look for this.

1899
01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Na.

1900
01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it, Johanna, And if you want to do

1901
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:30.039
<v Speaker 2>it again, I think that I would like to hear it.

1902
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:33.840
<v Speaker 3>I want you to top it. But yeah, I keep

1903
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:34.560
<v Speaker 3>telling Okay.

1904
01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Good, all right, We've got up a new project for Jenna.

1905
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:50.359
<v Speaker 9>This has been another episode, uh animal hero Oh the episode.

1906
01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:56.199
<v Speaker 5>All right, guys, this is Mean book Club. You can

1907
01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:59.520
<v Speaker 5>follow us on Patreon. Become a patron of the Mean Arts.

1908
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:04.800
<v Speaker 5>Our next episode is going to be Powerless by Lauren Roberts,

1909
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:06.000
<v Speaker 5>which I.

1910
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Don't know has anybody started that yet? No, I have no,

1911
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't be. No cheases will be given for we

1912
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:13.880
<v Speaker 3>have not even begun.

1913
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>No spoilers.

1914
01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I somehow have two copies of the library so you

1915
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:21.119
<v Speaker 1>can read it twice as fast.

1916
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Now, right, yep, that's works?

1917
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:30.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, all right, but uh yeah, please give us

1918
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:36.119
<v Speaker 5>your ratings on iTunes wherever you listen to us. Spread

1919
01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:40.920
<v Speaker 5>the word Uh just you know, help other people find us.

1920
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess. But yeah, we'll see you next time on

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<v Speaker 3>Mean Book Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye bye