Speaker 1: There are many little moments like that that make the
Speaker 1: book very fun. When I say fun, I mean bad,
Speaker 1: and you do start to go, Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: Mean book Club book.
Speaker 2: He gets magiced into humping her and she's like, it's cool.
Speaker 1: There were like fifty ghosts in the book. I picked
Speaker 1: one that I said was hot, and suddenly I'm trying.
Speaker 3: To go I would say that that follows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are the magic drugs in a separate world
Speaker 2: than regular drugs? That's not how drugs work.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have sex with the ghosts.
Speaker 4: I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: I think they'd be cold, and I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 5: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Mean book Club.
Speaker 3: This week we read Ninth House by leap Or Do go.
Speaker 5: Ooh magic Yeah, look a good look at us big,
Speaker 5: so many words long, Ivy.
Speaker 1: League read.
Speaker 2: Reading about the Ivy Leader.
Speaker 5: Hi, Hi, yes, hi everyone, we are your host, says
Speaker 5: always to Mean book Club.
Speaker 3: I am Sarah Burton.
Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Clara Morris.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Jonas Crabs.
Speaker 3: And sadly, Serena b Jordan is.
Speaker 1: Sabrina is away on a trip. But if you perhaps
Speaker 1: thought that Serena and Clara were feuding. I would understand
Speaker 1: that because it feels like they just don't want to
Speaker 1: be on the cast together at the same time.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, It's really not my style to feud. I
Speaker 2: don't think, well, you know, the light ribbing, the teasing,
Speaker 2: but not a feud. So I'm not I mean that
Speaker 2: is I'm just trying to put up an offense. But
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm protesting too much.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it. I've never had to say I
Speaker 1: don't feud with people that type. I'm had to make
Speaker 1: that argument.
Speaker 2: Well, you're about to be feuding with someone right now.
Speaker 2: I've been a while since I've been here. All right, there, Sarah, No,
Speaker 2: she's the thread.
Speaker 1: Okay, all the jokes she couldn't It felt like she
Speaker 1: followed the jokes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was worried she wasn't being funny. You know,
Speaker 2: she was scared.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, she had to pretend like she was
Speaker 1: having mike trouble. Where are we hearing each other?
Speaker 2: Really, she's having a crisis of confidence because we should
Speaker 2: have started so funny.
Speaker 1: I lost all my audio from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I think we should start again and YouTube should be
Speaker 2: more quiet, and they would just help.
Speaker 4: My mic.
Speaker 5: So if you were the listener, if you were believing
Speaker 5: that Sabrina and Clara were fuding, we would understand because
Speaker 5: they will not be heard together.
Speaker 1: I don't think ever aget.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a scheduling issue, not sort of. I'm not
Speaker 2: the feuding type teasing, yes, but it's always with love.
Speaker 3: At least nobody.
Speaker 5: Nobody's going to argue that like they're one person, you know,
Speaker 5: like that something people argue all the time about our podcast.
Speaker 2: They could at this point, right, we're giving them evidence
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: But hey, you're lucky that we're not just having one
Speaker 1: of them be AI. I mean, we have enough audio
Speaker 1: at this point. Oh you're right. Oh, we have to
Speaker 1: do fun create a little body goes you guys, what
Speaker 1: I loved it? It was so good, guys, No, you guys,
Speaker 1: that's such a fun threat.
Speaker 5: Can we start doing that for if you miss an
Speaker 5: episode that we do that, like for I just feel
Speaker 5: like that's too good of an idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Like, guys, what if people like the AI
Speaker 2: of me, you guys, and then they just want it
Speaker 2: to be mean.
Speaker 1: We'll just make sure they never hear the AI bought
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all you can get. Are you worried the listeners
Speaker 1: will like the A I bought better?
Speaker 2: That we will know that the listeners will like the
Speaker 2: AI bought better than you, guys, Oh, my god, better
Speaker 2: than me. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 5: You think that, then people will be asking for a
Speaker 5: podcast of real Clara talking to AI Clara.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I understand, I understand. I'm worried about you guys.
Speaker 1: You're worried about our future on the show.
Speaker 3: All right, you know what we're mean?
Speaker 5: Book Club, we were in New York Times bestsellers that
Speaker 5: you guys recommend, So Jhona, why are we reading Ninth House?
Speaker 3: Where those come from?
Speaker 1: So we are officially reading Ninth House because listener Ashley
Speaker 1: recommended it and her note was, I will formally nominate
Speaker 1: Ninth House. I also liked the book, but there are
Speaker 1: definitely things you guys could sink your teeth into, which
Speaker 1: thank god Ashley did, because it reminded us that last
Speaker 1: season we had Raoul Asparza on for the episode Beautiful Ugly,
Speaker 1: and he recommended Ninth House as a read, and I
Speaker 1: would not have remembered that at all, but I went
Speaker 1: back and listened to the episode for his recommendation, just
Speaker 1: the recommendation so that we could get why it was
Speaker 1: truly recommended, because Ashley didn't give us a lot of context.
Speaker 1: Although amazing work Ashley keeping us on track. This is
Speaker 1: someone who knows the show and knows us and knows
Speaker 1: that we need this kind of help. So go back
Speaker 1: and check out the beautiful Ugly episode because it's a
Speaker 1: fun one. So turn this off, go ahead and listen
Speaker 1: to Now, come on back and just do it next, Sure,
Speaker 1: do it, next, do it now, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: just do it. And here is the official recommendation. Raoul said,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you would make of this book called
Speaker 1: Ninth House by Lee bar Duke. She's generally a YA
Speaker 1: author who wrote the Shadow and Bone series, which I
Speaker 1: believe is a big TV series that's maya side Johanna
Speaker 1: and this book that this is a book that posits
Speaker 1: that the secret society societies at Yale are actually part
Speaker 1: of the occult and they sacrifice human beings and read
Speaker 1: their entrails in order to talk to Ghost. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure she always sticks the landing, but I read the book,
Speaker 1: and I read the sequel immediately called Hellbent, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait for the third one. And I think she's
Speaker 1: the most imaginative woman the thing she dreams up in
Speaker 1: the Yale world. I couldn't put it down. They're not
Speaker 1: perfect books. Maybe it's too good a book for me
Speaker 1: book club. I actually really like the books, but they're messy.
Speaker 1: So we were at the time, although we immediately forgot
Speaker 1: about it, we were very interested Sabrina, especially tragedy tragic.
Speaker 5: So we basically this is one of those book club
Speaker 5: books that were recommended, but we're like people are like, no, no,
Speaker 5: I liked it, but like it's a lot so we'll
Speaker 5: find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really curious to see what you thought of it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I have a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah. So I also I did a little post
Speaker 1: before we started reading it where I just like, Judge
Speaker 1: the book by its cover, and I was so I
Speaker 1: was instantly excited about this book.
Speaker 3: It's a great cover.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: Judge a book by its cover. This book has a
Speaker 3: great cover. It's it's great.
Speaker 2: The snakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think the cover is great. It was
Speaker 1: more like the the summary and like the first page.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you said it was Judge a book by
Speaker 2: a cover, Jonae, that's.
Speaker 1: You're reading the back cover. I wanted to make Sarah
Speaker 1: look stupid.
Speaker 3: All right, well, nice try, Okay. I think this book
Speaker 3: wanted to make me look stupid too, talking about Yale
Speaker 3: so much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, in the background, what is of the author.
Speaker 5: And her I do I'm interested too, But we'll get
Speaker 5: to that first week. We should talk about how did
Speaker 5: you guys?
Speaker 3: How'd you read it?
Speaker 2: Of course I did an audible audio book.
Speaker 3: Yeah did you did? I? Okay?
Speaker 5: So I all first got it from the library and
Speaker 5: then it started in Spanish, and I thought.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck.
Speaker 5: I got the Spanish one and it went, oh, it's
Speaker 5: too late to fix this, and then I went and
Speaker 5: did audible and then I realized that it was just that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got I got tricked intro in Spanish. No,
Speaker 2: I thought that too, but I didn't turn it off
Speaker 2: and just kept going.
Speaker 1: And I learned Spanish. And then of this book, I
Speaker 1: did a paperback and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Great read because we had like three weeks to read
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but we put it down and read another
Speaker 3: book in between.
Speaker 5: I think the problem I I will say, Johnna, I
Speaker 5: fully believe that the book reading must have been a
Speaker 5: better experience, because this book is a skimmer if I've
Speaker 5: ever heard one, and it is hard to skim when
Speaker 5: you are in audio.
Speaker 3: It's hard. Oh it's not a.
Speaker 1: Skimmer at all.
Speaker 5: Oh it's it's it's ten pages at a time skimming.
Speaker 5: I think, what, Okay, you didn't read the book?
Speaker 1: Then you didn't actually I listened to it. I don't
Speaker 1: think you did. I wish I could have skipped.
Speaker 2: I think if I skimmed, skimmed, I would be like, wait,
Speaker 2: did I miss something?
Speaker 1: A real book that has content in it?
Speaker 2: This is not I don't think I would have. I
Speaker 2: think I already felt like that a little bit, like wait,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is it's.
Speaker 5: I don't think you would have changed anything, and you
Speaker 5: just would have like missed pages and pages of exposition
Speaker 5: that are like okay, we get it, like and doesn't
Speaker 5: actually no.
Speaker 3: Plot moving forward, It just like sitting there, sitting there.
Speaker 5: I think if I could have skimmed all that and
Speaker 5: I can been like, let me get to the last
Speaker 5: two hundred pages, groovy, That's what I could have done.
Speaker 1: I think this podcast has broken both of your brain
Speaker 1: and yeah, a book, a good book came and it
Speaker 1: reached out to shake your hand and said, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a good book, and you you didn't even know, you
Speaker 1: didn't even know what a handshake was lost at it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, but I think I would then
Speaker 2: feel like I missed something even though I didn't, and
Speaker 2: I would go back and try to figure it out
Speaker 2: even harder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess I wish somebody had said to me,
Speaker 5: get the book and then skip through every page that
Speaker 5: isn't dialogue, and you won't have missed anything. And then
Speaker 5: I think I would have been like great, And yeah,
Speaker 5: I think, but I understand there was so much like
Speaker 5: confusion in world building that I could have thought I
Speaker 5: missed something. But I mean again, I listened to it all,
Speaker 5: and I was kind of I was like what A
Speaker 5: lot of the times I was like, who's this random
Speaker 5: minor character we haven't met in a while.
Speaker 1: There were random characters like that. They all were used,
Speaker 1: and God forbid, a book has world building? World building?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like having a roommate that exists just to be raped.
Speaker 5: What world building? What wonderful development?
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, she got you good.
Speaker 2: There, johonnah, she got you good. There's nothing, there's nothing
Speaker 2: we can say.
Speaker 1: That's heavy.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of heavy in this book. Okay,
Speaker 5: we'll gotta do it. But yeah, I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: be fun. I'm not saying there's nothing good about it.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I had this sense of, like, this
Speaker 5: book's pissing me off as I was reading it, and
Speaker 5: a little bit I had trouble putting my finger on
Speaker 5: it until like I got to the end, and then
Speaker 5: I was like, now it's making sense to me.
Speaker 3: What was pissing me off?
Speaker 2: I feel like, go ahead.
Speaker 1: This book is a gentleman and a scholar, and it
Speaker 1: wanted to take you out for a nice time. It
Speaker 1: said Darlington. It was a Darlington, a character in the
Speaker 1: book and said, hey, like, you know what, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of guys at frat houses would like you
Speaker 1: just come over for a pimps and hose party, Sarah,
Speaker 1: you know, but I give you natty light and then uh,
Speaker 1: but like I'm I'm a real book that I get that.
Speaker 1: I believe that, Johnna.
Speaker 5: And then I believe that I take you to dinner
Speaker 5: at Red Lobster and you didn't even know. I feel
Speaker 5: like then I like went to Red Lobster and I
Speaker 5: was like, this feels weird. And then the book like
Speaker 5: ripped off its cover and it was Malice by Daniel Steele,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, fuck, that's what I feel
Speaker 5: like happened.
Speaker 2: Winner of the worst book.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which is a well deserved Like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: there is a lot of to me. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what is bothering about this?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Is it? Because there's like a main character who just
Speaker 5: keeps getting like the ship beat out of her and
Speaker 5: she's getting raped and all these horrible things happening to her.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's that's part of the problem with this book.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the men on woman.
Speaker 3: Violence more more, more and more and more.
Speaker 2: The sound I want to read about the sounds of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a script.
Speaker 5: The writing was good. I will give you the like
Speaker 5: writing description. She's a great I do think she's a
Speaker 5: great writer.
Speaker 1: She is a great writer.
Speaker 5: All right, But you know we're going too far in
Speaker 5: before we like talk about everything else we got. Well
Speaker 5: this is good, though, it means it's going to be heated.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so Jona, it's time for Johana jokes your
Speaker 5: memories with a summary.
Speaker 3: Okay, so.
Speaker 1: It's you can drop on down in the outline there.
Speaker 1: I need a couple of different characters. I need let's
Speaker 1: see an Alex and a Dawes. You can be the
Speaker 1: same person, maybe, Clara, do you want to do that?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: Okay, and then Sarah you could be Darlington.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I was going to accept DAWs but sure.
Speaker 7: Just just.
Speaker 1: Alex the same Yeah, and then I'll be Leathy House,
Speaker 1: which is the uh secret society at Yale. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: Alex joints.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you, Clara, since you listened to the book,
Speaker 5: did you think it was Leafy House for most of it?
Speaker 3: Because I know, Oh, I thought you was saying leafy
Speaker 3: and I was like, what a.
Speaker 1: Weird name for at a stupid name?
Speaker 3: Leafy? No, no explanation is what the what the leaves
Speaker 3: are about?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You didn't give this book a chance at all?
Speaker 3: All right, all right, markay, let's go. Here's a summary.
Speaker 2: My name is Alex Stern, and I'm different than all
Speaker 2: the other freshmen at Yale this year. See, I'm not
Speaker 2: from New England. I'm your classic California girl address how
Speaker 2: I want, you can't pin me down? And I see
Speaker 2: people also because I'm a character in a book, even
Speaker 2: though people call me Alex. My real name is Galaxy.
Speaker 3: My name is Darlington.
Speaker 5: I am Alex's mentor here at Yale. We're in one
Speaker 5: of the secret societies at Yale, which is just a club,
Speaker 5: but a really cool club because it's Yale. Picture the
Speaker 5: quidditch club that was around Sarah and Johna's freshman year
Speaker 5: at Penn State, but cool and secret because it's not
Speaker 5: Penn State.
Speaker 3: It's Yale.
Speaker 5: Also, because I'm a character in a book, people call
Speaker 5: me Darlington, but my real name is just Dan Arlington.
Speaker 2: Mom Dawes, I'm the other member of the club. I'm
Speaker 2: the dunky one. I don't matter.
Speaker 1: I am leithy House. I am the club, the Galaxy
Speaker 1: Daniel and Dawes are part of at Yale. The cool
Speaker 1: thing about our club is that we are like the
Speaker 1: office administrators of all the secret societies at Yale. We
Speaker 1: take show off that when they do their hazing rituals,
Speaker 1: like you know, cutting open the entrails of a towny
Speaker 1: they do it the right way.
Speaker 3: Alex.
Speaker 5: Are we so lucky to have you here at Yale
Speaker 5: on full scholarship, even though you are a high school dropout,
Speaker 5: simply because you can see ghosts I think that's really
Speaker 5: cool and I'm not resentful at all. Also, I understand
Speaker 5: you were involved in a triple homicide a few years ago.
Speaker 3: How interesting. Welcome to Yale very good, Sarah.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to welcome to Jurassic Park. Is
Speaker 5: that was in the notes that I'm supposed to say,
Speaker 5: like welcome to Jurassic Park. But I'm not really sure
Speaker 5: what them met.
Speaker 2: I think I did yabingight, Yeah, I think I did
Speaker 2: a great job. It was really fun to be does
Speaker 2: It was really fun to be does it?
Speaker 1: I thought you would have fun with it.
Speaker 5: You didn't mention Dawes's real name, Pamela, the worst name
Speaker 5: a person that.
Speaker 1: Such a rough it's such a rough. Oh what are
Speaker 1: you gonna go by Pammy? Which DAWs does?
Speaker 3: Just go yeaws is we're going by last name except
Speaker 3: for Alex. I can't why it wasn't anybody call her Stern?
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about that, Pamela Dawes ouch.
Speaker 5: Darlington is so weird. I think I totally forgot about
Speaker 5: that fact till you brought it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nickname is Darlington. Oh it's rough Darling in there.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get punched anywhere outside of Yale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he like chooses the club that's like
Speaker 3: the police club. I don't like. I guess like.
Speaker 5: Office administrators is you're like, okay, making sure everything everybody's compliants,
Speaker 5: officers of secret societies.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 3: It isn't so uncool.
Speaker 1: Skull and Bones were at your clubhouse. Just want to
Speaker 1: make sure you guys like you practice magic. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: You practice magic makes you rich. Just want to make
Speaker 1: sure you're only doing it on third nights. Cool, that's
Speaker 1: what you want to spend your time doing. Very cool.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I hated hearing about the society so
Speaker 3: overre going.
Speaker 5: All right, that's well, we got to do our Oh
Speaker 5: what's the what's the Johanna's jugs?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's one that I've brought to you all before.
Speaker 1: But it's a wine I really like. It's Sarah. Sarah
Speaker 1: just put her head down like she was already upset,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know why.
Speaker 3: This doesn't it was just reading on sorry, go ahead, okay,
Speaker 3: not wine related.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm bringing you a pathic Red Winemaker's blend.
Speaker 1: Which here's something I like about this. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: the name of the wine on top on the bottle,
Speaker 1: it just says winemakers blend, which at this point is
Speaker 1: what I need. There's too many wines out there.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: When we were kids, it was just there was this zinfandel,
Speaker 1: there was a Merleau, there was a resling, and you
Speaker 1: were good if you knew.
Speaker 3: And we were and ask kids, that's what we drank,
Speaker 3: and that's what we did.
Speaker 1: That's right. And now I just feel like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I see I don't even know that's the name of
Speaker 1: a wine on the bottle. So here's what I appreciate.
Speaker 1: That pothic red. Does they just say, hey, we're a wine.
Speaker 1: The wine maker has blended some wines. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You don't have to know anything about me to drink me.
Speaker 1: It's a very dark bottle with this blood red font
Speaker 1: that's like this red script font, so it's very gothic,
Speaker 1: which really fits the vibes of this does I genuinely vibes.
Speaker 1: If you are planning to read this book, sit down
Speaker 1: with a big red glass of apothic red, which is
Speaker 1: apparently a blend of cabs off, Merlau, Seranzinfandel, hd in oak.
Speaker 2: That's all of them. That's all of them. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: did all the reds.
Speaker 1: And they say the flavor notes are really sweet, which
Speaker 1: is great for you know, a college wine. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what you're into at that age. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: enjoy this gothic wine. It is good. It is very
Speaker 1: reasonably priced, and it has a great looking bottle, which
Speaker 1: gets me every time.
Speaker 3: That'll do it, all right, all rightful, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh it's apparently ninety nine still the same price point
Speaker 1: it was ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, even better deal. You would think it price
Speaker 3: would increase.
Speaker 2: But no, no, no inflation for them.
Speaker 3: No nice.
Speaker 1: No tariffs must be yeah, I know it must be us.
Speaker 3: It's the USA one.
Speaker 1: It's a California whoa, Okay, that's it's gonna help us.
Speaker 3: It's gonna help you with that's tariffs.
Speaker 1: And that was another reason because Alex.
Speaker 3: Is from from California.
Speaker 1: Here's a Calie gown.
Speaker 3: I love all the references.
Speaker 1: I put a little thought into this one, Okay, the
Speaker 1: authors from there, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: That we need to you know, is at our bar.
Speaker 5: Congratulations, thought into it, may specific locations.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little bit about this book. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it was an instant Sunday Times in New York
Speaker 1: Times Bestseller in October twenty nineteen, which our listeners know
Speaker 1: means it. At the moment it was released, it was
Speaker 1: a bestseller. So there was a lot of pre orders,
Speaker 1: pre sales of this book. Yeah, Stephen King called it
Speaker 1: impossible to put down. No surprise there.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's ridiculous, very easy.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way, Stephen, mister King, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So there was a pre publication controversy around this book.
Speaker 1: So the author is primarily a YA author. This was
Speaker 1: her first adult book, and so copies were handed out
Speaker 1: at the Young Adult Literary Convention, and there were also
Speaker 1: other adult titles made available at the convention. But early
Speaker 1: readers started tweeting out trigger warnings about the book's content,
Speaker 1: which led to calls for the book itself to be
Speaker 1: printed with those warnings included. And Bardugo, I thought, had
Speaker 1: an amazing response which she said, I think there should
Speaker 1: be absolutely be a conversation about trigger warnings on books,
Speaker 1: but if it's going to happen, it should be an
Speaker 1: industry wide requirement enforced by publishers. Otherwise, all it does
Speaker 1: is stigmatize particular books. She says there have been no
Speaker 1: similar campaigns around the work of male horror authors like
Speaker 1: Stephen King and Joe Abercrombie. And I think that is
Speaker 1: an excellent point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the other people's work.
Speaker 3: If you don't know about Stephen King's workman, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know about King.
Speaker 1: Never crossed your desk.
Speaker 3: We never did one of his books.
Speaker 5: Never.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, No, I think that that's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah warning though, Yeah, I feel like it's fine to
Speaker 3: have the trigger warning. It doesn't really affect me.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I guess, so, I guess this her
Speaker 5: concern isn't for readers like me, because a trigger warning
Speaker 5: or no isn't going to make me.
Speaker 3: Not read the book. I don't know.
Speaker 5: It seems like it's just good because if you don't
Speaker 5: want to read it, you don't like that stuff, and
Speaker 5: it'll stop you from reading it.
Speaker 3: It's like nice, it seems good.
Speaker 1: It just seems like politicized a little bit in my opinion,
Speaker 1: where it's like some books might put it, but it's
Speaker 1: does it signify something about I guess all literature signifies
Speaker 1: something about the author and the book. But I think
Speaker 1: she just brings up a good point that it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there are.
Speaker 2: So everything else. Isn't this a ya like this'ya? Oh okay?
Speaker 2: But maybe because she's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah I author, because she was a YA author, and
Speaker 1: also because she was a woman, and it just like
Speaker 1: seemed easy to and it's a recent book, you know,
Speaker 1: but it does it. I I just like the suggestion
Speaker 1: that it's like we should all be doing it or yeah,
Speaker 1: so did she do it?
Speaker 3: But then she did it?
Speaker 2: But she did do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember seeing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they read a trigger warning before uh the book started.
Speaker 1: I don't call it warning.
Speaker 9: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I'm can I go see I'm really curious now yeah
Speaker 1: that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Where are you keeping the book? I mean, go you
Speaker 2: go to a library.
Speaker 1: Now that I have a house of multiple room, we wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Have brought the book with you when we're doing that's surprising,
Speaker 5: I'd okay, ninth house.
Speaker 3: Is there trigger warning?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: There definitely was.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 3: I was trying to see.
Speaker 5: Some people said why doesn't the book so I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's like maybe they did it later copies.
Speaker 2: I don't know, oh yeah, or maybe like Audible wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, Moment of Truth.
Speaker 1: My book does not have a trigger warning.
Speaker 2: Whoah, maybe Audible wanted it. Audible demanded, Audible demanded, you
Speaker 2: want to be distributed by us. You're going to scare
Speaker 2: people before the book starts.
Speaker 3: Well, the other book, the first one, we did have
Speaker 3: a bunch of trigger warnings.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it annoyed me. I don't know, I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: I no, no, no, you don't have to be wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't. I just feels like it h yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: if it affects people.
Speaker 1: Talking about now, yeah, I feel like whatever, it's.
Speaker 3: A you don't you're are you anti over all the warnings?
Speaker 3: You're just like whatever it's getting.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like you don't know what anybody's particular
Speaker 1: triggers are going to be. It's hard, It's like what
Speaker 1: might be. I I guess I do have things that
Speaker 1: trigger me when I read, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: be the same things that trigger other people. But I
Speaker 1: feel like those things are not going to get a warning.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if you're sensitive about certain things,
Speaker 1: you can look it up yourself and decide if.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do a little research. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 5: I don't know that many people that go into books
Speaker 5: completely cold. Maybe we do sometimes, but like in general,
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah about I guess what I'm thinking about now is
Speaker 2: what I have liked to trigger warning with malice, Like
Speaker 2: was the surprise part of it? Horrible journey?
Speaker 3: I mean, like more.
Speaker 1: Main character will get rape over a different people every
Speaker 1: I think it should be like every male she meets
Speaker 1: in the book.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this book is dedicated Okay, this one is
Speaker 1: dedicated to Lee bar Duco's college roommates, which when I
Speaker 1: picked it up, I thought it was dedicated to her
Speaker 1: pets because they all have pet names.
Speaker 4: We wanted a name.
Speaker 1: Their names are Headwig, Nima, m and Less for the
Speaker 1: many rescues, so I thought it was definitely like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, those are yeah, yeah, I agree. If your
Speaker 1: name is Hedwig, I'm sorry, but I think you're a
Speaker 1: dog an owl an owl? Yeah, okay, this.
Speaker 2: Is my rescue owl.
Speaker 1: I take them on planes. It's fine.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Leithy House, which is the house that uh get
Speaker 1: Darling Tinner in, is actually a figure and a river.
Speaker 1: In Greek mythology, it represents forgetfulness, oblivion, and the erasure
Speaker 1: of memory, and serves as a symbol for escaping past,
Speaker 1: which I thought was very cool considering Alex's joining of
Speaker 1: Leath the House is entirely an escape from her past
Speaker 1: in California. She's trying, she's a Yelle, to try to
Speaker 1: create a new life, to escape her trauma of being
Speaker 1: poor and in a very unstable housing environment surrounded by
Speaker 1: drugs and abuse.
Speaker 3: Did they ever talk about that in the book, like
Speaker 3: this is called this? Because I do not think so.
Speaker 5: It seems like weird with all the background they went
Speaker 5: over that that wasn't something they I mean, I didn't
Speaker 5: look into it because I thought it was leafy.
Speaker 3: I thought, but you're right, Okay, it's symbolic, gotcha.
Speaker 1: So cool. Okay, Wait, we're still just talking.
Speaker 5: About the book, and well, I don't really know where
Speaker 5: to put that, so I just okay, okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right now I'm putting it now. I'm going to the author, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Lee Bardugo she is y a author born in Jerusalem,
Speaker 1: grew up in Los Ange and graduated from Yale.
Speaker 6: Duh.
Speaker 1: Because she wrote so much about Yale.
Speaker 2: If she graduated from Yale, I would have felt bad
Speaker 2: for her because she knows so much about it. I agree.
Speaker 1: So a little bit about the inspiration for this book.
Speaker 1: She was walking home from the post office her freshman
Speaker 1: year at Yale when it happened. I was reading a
Speaker 1: letter and I looked up from the letter and I
Speaker 1: was standing on Grove Street. On my left was this
Speaker 1: giant white marble mausoleum covered in wrought iron snakes, and
Speaker 1: on my right was a giant New Egyptian gate that
Speaker 1: said the Dead shall be raised. And I, the young
Speaker 1: Goth child from Los Angeles, was like, I have come home.
Speaker 1: So that moment plans had a seed for her for
Speaker 1: this book. And she's speaking in that moment of the tombs.
Speaker 1: They're called of the ancient Eight Societies of Yale, which
Speaker 1: are a real thing. And it wasn't until years later,
Speaker 1: when she was going to a college reunion that she
Speaker 1: got some pictures from a friend and she said of
Speaker 1: her time at Yale, she said, it was like a
Speaker 1: punch to the gut. There was no sense of nostalgia.
Speaker 1: I think I was sposed to feel some kind of
Speaker 1: warm sentiment when I saw these photos but instead I
Speaker 1: felt like, here's the reckoning. She said, being confronted with
Speaker 1: those images was difficult because not everything that happened to
Speaker 1: her at Yale was positive. She was excavating the truth
Speaker 1: of her experience there, her friend's experience is there, and
Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable. So that's why the book at times
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable to read. It grapples with the grayest areas
Speaker 1: of trauma, desire, addiction, power, and privilege.
Speaker 2: Wait, is there really ghosts there or what.
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I do think she was assaulted
Speaker 1: at Yale, so that's one of the things that or maybe.
Speaker 5: Not at Yale, but I yeah, I think I read
Speaker 5: that somewhere that she has a past experience of sex essay,
Speaker 5: as they say, which she brings up.
Speaker 1: She's fine to talk about, but she does feel that
Speaker 1: like she felt like she had to justify writing about
Speaker 1: it in a way that like male authors don't. Sorry,
Speaker 1: thought that was an interesting point. She was also in
Speaker 1: one of the houses. She was in Wolf's Head, which
Speaker 1: is one of the ancient eight.
Speaker 3: Now these.
Speaker 2: Now, I didn't go to an Ivy League school, which
Speaker 2: was probably gonna surprise a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 2: but what are these houses? They don't live in the houses.
Speaker 2: They're just like clubhouses.
Speaker 3: Confusing. These are just houses. They're frat houses like that.
Speaker 2: It feels like some people live there, but not everyone.
Speaker 3: We're just with their frat houses with fancy names. I think.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: If you want to read more about them, there are Okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to say her instagram has a fun
Speaker 1: gothic energy as well. She's a Halloween lover like myself.
Speaker 1: And I did notice that in many of the pictures
Speaker 1: uh at Yale she had this really cool caine, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, she's so in character, Like she's
Speaker 1: like under this gothic archway she has this like black cade.
Speaker 1: She's a disability, but she has as a condition called
Speaker 1: bone death actually, which sounds like a very Gothic condition,
Speaker 1: but it's painful and it causes her difficulty with mobility,
Speaker 1: and she brought it into her character Kaz Brecker in
Speaker 1: the six of Crow's series, who uses a cane due
Speaker 1: to leg injury, and she is an advocate for young
Speaker 1: people or anyone using stylish canes such as those that
Speaker 1: Della Morte and co or hiking poles and aims to
Speaker 1: reduce stigma around young people using mobility aids. And I
Speaker 1: think that's really cool because I genuinely noticed how cool
Speaker 1: her cane was and I was like, that's awesome. So
Speaker 1: I think that that is a cool thing that she's
Speaker 1: doing where she's putting that in her books. And she's
Speaker 1: also you know.
Speaker 3: Not in this book though.
Speaker 2: Book, so we can still make fun of her. I mean,
Speaker 2: all these things are like Mary Kane, and I shouldn't
Speaker 2: make fun of her. The whole section is like, you
Speaker 2: don't make fun of someone who's.
Speaker 8: So good.
Speaker 1: Luck guys, because I love the book. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to make fun of her at all.
Speaker 3: All right, challenge, except.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to make fun I'm going to criticize
Speaker 2: where it's necessary, and if it happens to be fun
Speaker 2: the way i'm criticizing you, it might.
Speaker 1: Be funny, but we're all laughing, you laugh, Okay, but
Speaker 1: just to be clear, I won't.
Speaker 5: This is so different than our experience with the seated
Speaker 5: rivalry Clara. If only you know Clara, you would have
Speaker 5: been on my side.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: She came she came out hard, anti gay, like it
Speaker 5: was okay, I'm just Sabrina.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a great ally, if I may say so.
Speaker 1: Myself is a straight white woman. Ah okay, I just
Speaker 1: wasn't slobbering on the what what was the phrase that
Speaker 1: Serena came up?
Speaker 3: Knob goblin, knob goblin on the knob?
Speaker 5: Maybe, I don't know. I mean that's a real thing,
Speaker 5: and goblin on the knob. I don't remember specifically. Hopefully
Speaker 5: Blake can just put a little.
Speaker 1: Blake, do you episode?
Speaker 10: So the first time in Shane's life he slobbed down
Speaker 10: on a dick. Now it was Ilia's turn to slob down.
Speaker 10: He was very good at slobbing. Shane was too nervous,
Speaker 10: so he bought a second house, you know, for the slobbing.
Speaker 1: Slobbing what is it slobbing down dick or a knob usually,
Speaker 1: but yeah, slabbing nob.
Speaker 10: The next eight years continued with one nondescript hockey thing
Speaker 10: after another in the slobbing progress to prodding, progress to
Speaker 10: full ass gobbling, to tuna melting to heart melting.
Speaker 1: Oh that's incredible. I've never heard that one, and it's
Speaker 1: my favorite one now I like it a lot. You've
Speaker 1: never heard the three six Mafia.
Speaker 8: Slob on my knob, that cold on the cop and
Speaker 8: do your job on the bed and give me hit.
Speaker 8: Don't have to ask, don't have.
Speaker 1: To beg ju is my name anyway? Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about the book. It's this, ladies, may I invite
Speaker 1: you to freewheel at this point my segment is over.
Speaker 1: O my god, I invite you to join in the
Speaker 1: conversation at this time.
Speaker 3: Okay. I think.
Speaker 5: I think my overall critique of this book is that
Speaker 5: I feel like the book was just asking like, okay,
Speaker 5: what if powerful people, like rich powerful people did really
Speaker 5: bad things but with magic?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that was it.
Speaker 5: It was like and it was like weird to me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, we're just yeah, rich powerful people do bad stuff.
Speaker 5: And then they were like, yeah, like they rape, but
Speaker 5: not with a roofie, with a magic rufie. I felt
Speaker 5: like it felt I don't know, it just felt silly
Speaker 5: to me. At a certain point that I was like,
Speaker 5: what are we doing? Are we critiquing like the Yale
Speaker 5: societies or I don't know what's happening here?
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, with the release of all the
Speaker 1: Epstein stuff. I'm just like, I guess this is all
Speaker 1: just real, is what it feels like.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it feels like reality can be worse. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a scene early in the book where
Speaker 1: they take a person was in the hospital for something
Speaker 1: and drag him out of the hospital, cut his stomach open.
Speaker 1: Do I think it's called scrying of his entrails where
Speaker 1: they read the entrails to tell how they should move
Speaker 1: their stocks around and they sew him back up and
Speaker 1: like put him back in the hospital. It does not
Speaker 1: feel impossible that that is something that really happens. That
Speaker 1: feels extremely real.
Speaker 5: It's right, and I think my I had trouble at
Speaker 5: least I guess with Galaxy Alex's character a little bit,
Speaker 5: because it's like I guess at first, I understand why
Speaker 5: she's there, and it's like a big offering, Like it's
Speaker 5: a big deal to be able to go to Yell
Speaker 5: and you didn't even graduate high school. You know, we
Speaker 5: won't talk about affirmative action, but you know, something took
Speaker 5: place there.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's a good look, but anyway.
Speaker 2: Because you can see ghosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reservative. She was a magical minority, and that's why
Speaker 1: she got in.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's look, let's just call it what it is,
Speaker 5: all right, But anyway, I guess Yeah.
Speaker 2: Something that was with me throughout the whole book was
Speaker 2: why aren't they using magic more to solve their pro
Speaker 2: like to sve like what where? What can the magic do?
Speaker 2: Why can't it be more magical?
Speaker 3: Why is it just.
Speaker 2: From where to move our stocks around? That's a lot
Speaker 2: of effort. Could you get it to be like maybe
Speaker 2: the police won't investigate this murder or something?
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, it is hard. That is hard.
Speaker 5: Like when you're talking about magic and then and you're
Speaker 5: in a world you're like, oh, we can do all
Speaker 5: this crazy shit.
Speaker 3: It's like what all seems like?
Speaker 5: Then you kind of have solutions in front of you,
Speaker 5: but we're not. But just like we're not telling you
Speaker 5: about them, or like she would only think of them
Speaker 5: at an opportune time after doing nothing for you know,
Speaker 5: thirty pages.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we don't know how the magic works, guys,
Speaker 1: we're not in the houses. Okay, Well, I feel.
Speaker 5: Like by the book I should feel clearly I understand
Speaker 5: the nature of the magic as opposed to just being
Speaker 5: like the magic felt like it was didn't It was
Speaker 5: like didn't do that much compared to like what they
Speaker 5: do in the real world, Like I didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like when you could use it and when you couldn't.
Speaker 3: She seems using it all the time.
Speaker 2: Like they're coins that make people do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Use that compulsion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, like you just use.
Speaker 2: That to get the bank money or something and use
Speaker 2: that for your Just.
Speaker 1: A good point. They could have been all of the magic.
Speaker 1: There's like the coins of compulsion. Then there's a spell
Speaker 1: where you become like pure charisma and whatever you say
Speaker 1: everyone disagrees with, which just feels like.
Speaker 2: It's very similar to the coin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 5: And then there's that drug you can give and that
Speaker 5: has makes your tongue purple or something, and that also and.
Speaker 1: It turns you into an acolyte. But it's basically like
Speaker 1: a magic like I think some Sarah said it's a
Speaker 1: magic roof.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I guess that was confusing to me,
Speaker 5: but also just I think Alex's reaction to it because
Speaker 5: like at first, you know, she's a survivor, she's got
Speaker 5: a history which my god, we will get into. But
Speaker 5: she's like witnessing this ritual, like you're saying, that's like
Speaker 5: kind of really upsetting. And even if you're like all
Speaker 5: these yalies who are from like an upper crust society,
Speaker 5: even if they're not blinking at it, you would think
Speaker 5: that she because of her background, is you know, coming
Speaker 5: from a different culture, Like she didn't, didn't grow up
Speaker 5: with a lot like that. She would I don't know
Speaker 5: that seeing it through her eyes, I would expect more
Speaker 5: reaction from her, but she doesn't have it as much.
Speaker 5: It's more just like I'm a survivor, which again is fine,
Speaker 5: But then like I felt like then by the end
Speaker 5: of the book, we were also supposed to be seeing
Speaker 5: her as some like no somebody noble who's like getting
Speaker 5: all these like bad guys and making the rapist eat
Speaker 5: shit and stuff. And it's like, well, is she like
Speaker 5: selfish and a survivor or is she like noble and
Speaker 5: cares about the greater good?
Speaker 3: It felt it was like confusing to me. It felt
Speaker 3: like she was trying to have it both ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree. I don't really. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think we open on like one of the first magic
Speaker 2: scenes is her in her position as administrator Entrails and
Speaker 2: like she's there because she sees ghosts like that yell,
Speaker 2: because she sees the ghosts in that first Entrails reading scene,
Speaker 2: the ghosts freak out and it's weird, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well shouldn't she do something about that? Like she doesn't
Speaker 2: even tell anyone, like.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it seems like back to that information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like what is her job here?
Speaker 3: What is her value?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What are the rules for all the world building that
Speaker 2: is done? And what are the rules of the magic?
Speaker 1: Okay? I just think you wouldn't be asking a man
Speaker 1: who can see dead people these questions? Claria, what is
Speaker 1: her value as the one who can see dead people?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, why do they.
Speaker 2: Love her so bad? Like she's not helping it. I
Speaker 2: guess it's because they want to.
Speaker 3: Eat her at the end, like yeah, it sounds that
Speaker 3: because somebody wanted to eat her.
Speaker 1: Answer, but roll does say did say that they do
Speaker 1: not nail the landing?
Speaker 3: That was the landing? Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 5: I also sorry, I don't know again spoiler or not spoilers? Sorry, well,
Speaker 5: a spoiler, but a warning trigger warning just because we're
Speaker 5: talking about this book, like her background is insane, Like
Speaker 5: she gets raped by a ghost.
Speaker 3: I feel like we need to know.
Speaker 2: When she talk about that, it's when she gets her
Speaker 2: first period too. So if you thought getting your first
Speaker 2: period was a bit of a book, she was.
Speaker 1: She got it and it was in public also, so.
Speaker 5: It was like this this is experience of like why,
Speaker 5: what's the what's the ghost thing doing here? Cause it's
Speaker 5: like I think it's enough if like she's raped and
Speaker 5: no one believes her, but like now it's also a
Speaker 5: ghost that did it. And then it's like I feel
Speaker 5: like the ghost is like really distracting from the fact
Speaker 5: that she was raped as a child. Like I don't know,
Speaker 5: there was just I just was like I don't understand
Speaker 5: what the why that's happening, And it did. It's not
Speaker 5: like it's set up a bunch of that like ghosts
Speaker 5: are super rapey. Later like we're gonna see a lot
Speaker 5: of ghosts or this is something ghosts are doing, or
Speaker 5: like we ever understood why that ghost did that? Like
Speaker 5: it just was like, how about this is the same,
Speaker 5: Like this is my I guess complain that's like, how
Speaker 5: about something horrible happened?
Speaker 3: But with magic, and that's what it felt like again.
Speaker 1: That I was like, well, it's the only way that
Speaker 1: scenario could ever be worse because no one believed her,
Speaker 1: which I think is a commentary on that. But also, yes,
Speaker 1: usually nobody believes you anyway, right, But everyone just saw
Speaker 1: her like rolling around on the floor of the women's
Speaker 1: bathroom screaming, so they all thought she had a mental
Speaker 1: breakdown as well.
Speaker 5: Right, So that's what I mean, Like the fact that's
Speaker 5: a ghost becomes like the worst part as opposed to
Speaker 5: the fact that you were raped.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just I didn't understand. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm open to the fact that there might have been
Speaker 3: a really good reason for it, but I'm just I
Speaker 3: didn't understand what the author was saying.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the physics of ghosts. I guess because
Speaker 2: when Hallie, her friend dies, she she reaches through her.
Speaker 2: She talks about reaching through her.
Speaker 3: Right, that's another good business.
Speaker 5: He didn't her, right, Like the ghosts seem like they
Speaker 5: she can like eventually find out the ghosts can like
Speaker 5: come inside her and do that. But like, was that
Speaker 5: what the ghost was doing with his penis or like,
Speaker 5: was she misunderstanding what was happening, and it was a
Speaker 5: ghost trying to go inside her and it just coupled,
Speaker 5: like I.
Speaker 1: Believe me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm just saying like I.
Speaker 5: Feel like I need there needed to be like another
Speaker 5: like we needed to come back to it, like there
Speaker 5: has to be something like something else as opposed to
Speaker 5: just like this is here and isn't this is this
Speaker 5: is this is fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's why she is the way she is.
Speaker 2: This is why her life went off the rails, and
Speaker 2: like that can yeah, that can have also.
Speaker 5: To talk about that she's a drug addict, introduced as
Speaker 5: a drug addict in a place where there's all these
Speaker 5: magic drugs, but like that never seems to be an
Speaker 5: issue for her, like becoming to.
Speaker 1: Turn to new leathy Sarah, Yeah, I guess you did.
Speaker 3: But it seems like to me, I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 3: an great setup. I mean, like now there's a new
Speaker 3: thing for it.
Speaker 5: I would have loved to see her character have to
Speaker 5: deal with that, but like, nope, not not an issue
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, and then all at the end
Speaker 5: she was like I wasn't even into hard drugs anyway.
Speaker 2: Her she didn't do magic when she was a drug addict.
Speaker 2: She didn't. I don't think she did magic drugs, just
Speaker 2: regular drugs.
Speaker 3: Just regular drugs.
Speaker 1: But you're like, so you're why why you know about
Speaker 1: magic drugs?
Speaker 5: I think she didn't want to know about him yet,
Speaker 5: but she was said she did drugs because it helped,
Speaker 5: like numb seeing the ghosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are the magic drugs in a separate world
Speaker 2: than regular drugs. That's not how drugs work, That's not
Speaker 2: how the economy of drugs work.
Speaker 5: I don't think you know they well, I guess like
Speaker 5: that terror or whatever they were made regular drugs and
Speaker 5: then went into magic drugs.
Speaker 3: I guess there was some overlap.
Speaker 5: But it just says like, I don't know, if you're
Speaker 5: drug addict, you'd have tendencies and there's another even more
Speaker 5: awesome drug in front of you.
Speaker 3: You're telling me that, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about it if you for her life.
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm trying to solve a crime.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess that's such a good point, aren't Why
Speaker 5: aren't we Why aren't we doing that? Like drug addicts,
Speaker 5: we just need to get them at jobs as police
Speaker 5: and have them solve crimes that should help them.
Speaker 2: Yes, put some direction into their lives by saying this
Speaker 2: is a murder. You left the alliday, get clean. Get
Speaker 2: clean because murder is going on. You never been tried before, Sarah,
Speaker 2: you might be on something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Honestly, we do it with my child where you're
Speaker 5: like they're they're being annoying or as hell, and then
Speaker 5: you're all of a sudden like, oh, I need you
Speaker 5: to like can you put this away? And then they're
Speaker 5: like okay, they go put the shoe in the bin,
Speaker 5: and now they're good.
Speaker 2: All of your twist voice get going for your kid.
Speaker 1: There can we talk about the hot ghost to the
Speaker 1: king inside her? We talked about the bad ghost. What
Speaker 1: about the hotties so bad?
Speaker 3: Wait, that sounded gross the way you said it.
Speaker 2: When she said came inside. There's something that happens later
Speaker 2: in the book where ghosts gives you its strength basically
Speaker 2: by like teaming you team up bodies. It's like a.
Speaker 5: Nonsense, and then you become a Then you become like
Speaker 5: a superhero with ghost strength.
Speaker 1: They just come inside you. They don't come inside you.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. It's confusing, It's that's what I'm
Speaker 5: saying it's the rape. Is that what was really happening,
Speaker 5: because like, that's confusing.
Speaker 1: So I was not confused by that. But what I
Speaker 1: was into is this bridegroom ghost. Didn't he sound like
Speaker 1: uh roal haughty?
Speaker 3: You thought he sounded like a hattie?
Speaker 5: I don't know why you have to? Can you bring
Speaker 5: up the description of him. I don't remember feeling that
Speaker 5: way about a description.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me work all.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Okay, he just don't Yeah. I kind of
Speaker 2: pictured him as, uh, greaser type.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably off.
Speaker 3: It wasn't his fiance or whatever. She was like had
Speaker 3: a baby and from another relationship and she was am
Speaker 3: I remembering? Is this the right?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, I don't. Then I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't recall that. I was confused about.
Speaker 3: Them because it's I don't like which ghost is.
Speaker 2: The fiance seemed like she was from high society.
Speaker 3: Yeah that, yeah, that's something Death didn't that.
Speaker 2: But then the bridegroom himself was was taken for entrails
Speaker 2: like he was a hobo or was that?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. And holbo is a.
Speaker 2: Word from the book. I wouldn't use it.
Speaker 1: Okay. His name is Bertram Bryce North, and he is
Speaker 1: also from a wealthy family in New Haven, Connecticut. And
Speaker 1: he was engaged to the beautiful Daisy and everyone thought
Speaker 1: that he killed her in a murder suicide because he
Speaker 1: has uh she she didn't. He dines with a gunshot
Speaker 1: to the chest, and he does appear that way in death.
Speaker 1: But he's also described as having beautiful black hair and
Speaker 1: a well tailored suit.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, Oh was it the suit that? Really?
Speaker 1: I just could tell he was hot. I don't understand
Speaker 1: why you guys didn't see that as well.
Speaker 2: We asked you for the description and we got hair
Speaker 2: color and suits.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but he gave an aura of hotness. I'm
Speaker 1: certain of it.
Speaker 5: I know anyone, Johanna, are we do we need to
Speaker 5: talk about your sexual attraction to ghosts?
Speaker 3: Is that part of maybe she likes ghosts?
Speaker 1: There were like fifty ghosts in the book. I pick
Speaker 1: one that I said was hot, and suddenly I'm attracted
Speaker 1: to ghost I.
Speaker 3: Would say, no, one follows most perfectly.
Speaker 1: He was a ghost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, neither of us are professing any attraction to any
Speaker 3: of the ghosts.
Speaker 1: I didn't even say I was attractive. I just said
Speaker 1: he was objectively handsome. Would agree, Okay, but you also
Speaker 1: described him as coming inside her, like you really this
Speaker 1: ghost you use that phrase before I did. It is true.
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to describe what a ghost
Speaker 1: enters into the body of a person. They come inside
Speaker 1: the person. I don't know how else to say that.
Speaker 2: But it's hard to ape ghost. And that's not the
Speaker 2: kind that's different. This she had the bridegroom could bucked
Speaker 2: inside her to give her strength to fight another man's
Speaker 2: that's another thing.
Speaker 1: He's strong.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's hot. Yeah, that's sure strength. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but yeah, but yeah, or little her girlfriend or whatever.
Speaker 3: She also had incredible strength. And I don't think she
Speaker 3: was like an insanely strong regular woman. She just ghost
Speaker 3: have super strength.
Speaker 2: She was a drug addict as well. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're usually known for their strength unless they're on the magic.
Speaker 1: Drug when she was when she died, So she died
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you the difference between all the society.
Speaker 2: I thought that the bad drug dealer kind of killed her.
Speaker 1: I think she died of an overdose from the drug
Speaker 1: that he gave her.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was more his fault because she
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 3: Like it must have been his fault somehow.
Speaker 2: Alex murders him so bad that that's not really very fair.
Speaker 2: It's just from drugs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like something. But he shoes me raped
Speaker 3: or something on.
Speaker 2: A right, They talked about how like women don't want
Speaker 2: to be alone with that guy and he's a violent
Speaker 2: creep with women. I'm gonna say that he had something
Speaker 2: to do with her friend's death because then she murders
Speaker 2: him with a baseball.
Speaker 5: At that and everyone else, everyone else there must have
Speaker 5: been pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I felt bad for the so her boyfriend who
Speaker 2: was like had been bad to her and hit her
Speaker 2: and was like cover up the death she killed him.
Speaker 2: Was like, okay, I get it. She killed the guy
Speaker 2: who I think killed her friend. Okay, get it. But
Speaker 2: then there was just another guy there who was just
Speaker 2: carrying like the feet.
Speaker 1: Of the corpse.
Speaker 2: She smashed him to death too. That didn't seem very fair.
Speaker 1: I thought I would do that. If somebody did that
Speaker 1: to my dead body, I would murder them. Carried the foot, yeah,
Speaker 1: if they if you carried murder you, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: would murder you, all right.
Speaker 2: I would definitely about What about the e mts. Don't
Speaker 2: they need to carry you're helping.
Speaker 1: If you're carrying my dead body with intent to hide it,
Speaker 1: I'm going to murder you one hundred percent. I'm with Helly.
Speaker 2: Violent murder, don't get it has to be violent.
Speaker 5: How do you know whether to violently murder or make
Speaker 5: them eat poop? How do you how do you know
Speaker 5: which one?
Speaker 1: To Sarah's referencing another moment in the book, another thing
Speaker 1: that can happen under a magic.
Speaker 2: Should have had a figure warning right before it happened,
Speaker 2: Like if you don't read this chapter, if you're trying
Speaker 2: to eat dinner.
Speaker 1: Thank you exactly. This is my point. Okay, once we start,
Speaker 1: where do we stop?
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have appreciated that trigger warning.
Speaker 1: I would have. I didn't need that. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: It's really fucking gross.
Speaker 1: I bet Sarah loved it. The poop thing, Yeah, sah, pop.
Speaker 1: I do love poop.
Speaker 3: I think poop is funny. I didn't think this was funny.
Speaker 1: Do you want to since you brought it up, do
Speaker 1: you want to describe what happens?
Speaker 5: Okay, so we know her roommate who exists just to
Speaker 5: be raped is raped and she watches and also gets
Speaker 5: a video of it. Very uh, you know, that's very
Speaker 5: helpful because then Alex can watch and see that she
Speaker 5: has a she's acting really into it and compliant. But
Speaker 5: then she sticks her tongue out and she could see
Speaker 5: it's a red tongue or like purple tongue. She knows
Speaker 5: it's this magical roofie, so she knows what's going on,
Speaker 5: so she goes gets some other houses magic to go
Speaker 5: make him compliant. So like another is it was? It
Speaker 5: wasn't the coin again?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 3: What was it this time?
Speaker 2: It's something else this time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, type of magic, just a bunch of different forms,
Speaker 5: takes something like that coin and he just he gets
Speaker 5: her his gets his phone, deletes.
Speaker 3: Evidence off the phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been doing this to a lot of women,
Speaker 5: and he records it. I don't know what's that's pretty
Speaker 5: dumb and I don't know. I didn't understand either of
Speaker 5: those guys doing that. But anyway, and then she's like,
Speaker 5: that's not enough. I have to punish him. He's gonna
Speaker 5: he's gonna get away with this. Not she's he's gonna
Speaker 5: get away with it. Because Alex deleted the videos and
Speaker 5: is not pursuing any legal and she has she.
Speaker 2: Has a police officer's phone number, and she does not
Speaker 2: text him the video.
Speaker 5: And she understands how it happened, and she could easily
Speaker 5: prove it, but it's okay. She doesn't want that kind
Speaker 5: of She prefers her type of justice, which sometimes is
Speaker 5: murdering with a bat. But this time was just I'm
Speaker 5: going to tell you to go to the toilet and
Speaker 5: I'm going to film you eating poop and then I'm
Speaker 5: going to post it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I loved it perfect.
Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe get real justice, like what he
Speaker 3: really did?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 1: Are they really going to give her real justice? Though
Speaker 1: another commentary.
Speaker 2: It might I might send him did you a video?
Speaker 3: Rape?
Speaker 1: But the point is it was going to get out there,
Speaker 1: people were going to see it. It was going to
Speaker 1: embarrass her, or we can just make it go away?
Speaker 3: And how I feel like, wasn't this couldn't this been
Speaker 3: backed up anywhere? Like usually things either just leave the
Speaker 3: phone doesn't remove. I don't even notice.
Speaker 2: I was like automatically on the cloud and.
Speaker 5: Then the only magic that was happening was that's the magic,
Speaker 5: so that it didn't like get shared. The video didn't
Speaker 5: get shared. It's like that was like the point of
Speaker 5: the magic she was using. But it's like, how about
Speaker 5: just magic to like delete it if that's the goal.
Speaker 5: I don't understand why the magic did this and not
Speaker 5: the simpler thing.
Speaker 2: Whdn't you used your magic to protect your friends from
Speaker 2: that in the first place.
Speaker 5: This magic instead is like makes your Wi Fi signal
Speaker 5: week That's what like that magic was doing.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what's that's dumb magic.
Speaker 1: Neither one of you have been to sale up.
Speaker 2: I think that here's the problem with having making him
Speaker 2: eat poop instead of going to the police. He's free
Speaker 2: to attack again. Yeah, and it is what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he doesn't come back to rape her. Maybe he rapes again.
Speaker 2: We don't hear about it in the book. But he
Speaker 2: does come back to kill her again because he's a
Speaker 2: free man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he hates Yeah didn't I don't know. I
Speaker 5: didn't understand it. It's fun, that's what it's like. She's
Speaker 5: she's got She does this like righteous stuff sometimes, but
Speaker 5: it's like, well, okay, are you a survivor are you
Speaker 5: doing something righteous? This is like.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, guys. Did you not
Speaker 1: find the book imaginative.
Speaker 2: It annoyed me.
Speaker 3: Then imaginative, imaginative and tedious.
Speaker 5: I guess this maybe it just feels like a lot
Speaker 5: And like I said, it all ran together, like I
Speaker 5: honestly could. She kept talking about all the houses and
Speaker 5: I was like, I honestly can't tell the difference between them. Yep,
Speaker 5: I get they do different things, but like it's not
Speaker 5: like I'm like this is the good one or like
Speaker 5: this is the one that like it's the rich boys,
Speaker 5: but like but they're really trying to, you know, open up,
Speaker 5: and they let them.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just like they were all
Speaker 3: the same. They all were the same and did one
Speaker 3: they did one thing that was bad, and none of.
Speaker 1: Them were good.
Speaker 3: And that's not very interesting commentary.
Speaker 2: It seems like if the richest people in our world
Speaker 2: had magic, far worse things would be happening than happened
Speaker 2: in this book Andy.
Speaker 3: And maybe they are.
Speaker 1: That might be what's happening. I think her hands were
Speaker 1: tied with the eight houses, because that's like a truth
Speaker 1: of Yale. And I do think that was like a
Speaker 1: little too much for us.
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds like we have the problem with comprehension.
Speaker 2: Was too many.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be nice too, not to me,
Speaker 1: not to be in.
Speaker 3: Sarah and you let's just edit it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it would be like important, but my
Speaker 2: book is focusing on these three.
Speaker 3: The top the three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would help. That would have helped the three most.
Speaker 3: Evil, the most ancient. I don't know, there are all
Speaker 3: white men.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I just felt like it was
Speaker 1: exciting to see a book about magic that didn't have
Speaker 1: all the same tropes. We've been reading a lot of
Speaker 1: these books recently, and you know, after Akatar, you know,
Speaker 1: I went down that rabbit hole. I read the whole series.
Speaker 1: I read the Throne of Glass series, and they're all
Speaker 1: the same. And like the other authors that do books
Speaker 1: like that use the same.
Speaker 3: Tropes and words and yeah, that like the tang of.
Speaker 1: Magic in the air, and I felt like this book
Speaker 1: was one where it was like I felt like she
Speaker 1: didn't read every other book and just take the same stuff.
Speaker 1: It didn't just feel like Lord of the Rings and
Speaker 1: Harry Potter.
Speaker 5: Well, I think this is like I also think this
Speaker 5: is specific, like this is dark academia. So probably what
Speaker 5: was that witch's book we read that took place at
Speaker 5: like Oxford.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe that's a history I feel.
Speaker 5: I mean, and I'm not saying it's that different, but
Speaker 5: I just feel discovery of worches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's maybe more or like that
Speaker 3: type is more.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you think I haven't gone down the right
Speaker 1: genre rabbit hole, and if I did, I'd be like
Speaker 1: it's all the same. Maybe, but I think no.
Speaker 5: I will also agree that perhaps this is distinct from others,
Speaker 5: but I don't know if that means.
Speaker 2: I liked, yes, like are you really ready to do
Speaker 2: something new on your own?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Maybe it helped to borrow a bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess then it's like, oh, maybe something's happened,
Speaker 5: and that's good because like, like we said, like we
Speaker 5: haven't even talked about the ending, but it just felt
Speaker 5: so like okay, so like the only two adults, two
Speaker 5: of the three adults that we've met in this book
Speaker 5: are the villains, okay, and then like, oh, the super
Speaker 5: Bad is like a woman woman.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just nothing felt. It didn't feel like,
Speaker 3: oh that really.
Speaker 5: Came together, Like there was nothing. I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: I don't know if how you I felt like you
Speaker 5: also were saying John at the ending wasn't for you.
Speaker 5: So I feel like maybe sometimes tropes or exist in
Speaker 5: for a reason, like oh, it's to make a story
Speaker 5: satisfying in some way that like this just seemed like
Speaker 5: it couldn't do because I don't know, maybe it was
Speaker 5: trying to be too friend.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The super villain at the end ends up being a
Speaker 2: professor at Yale who talk about like takeing Alex's side
Speaker 2: at some point in a professorly way and been like
Speaker 2: you're really bad at this, but I believe in you
Speaker 2: or something. Basically, do you want to you can work
Speaker 2: for me in the summer as my caterer, I host
Speaker 2: parties or something. And then, oh, what do you know,
Speaker 2: she's the real bad guy. I think that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a bit of a twist, but it was satisfying.
Speaker 2: Yeah we only it was not satisfying at all.
Speaker 1: We rarely it was first Yeah, yes we. I think
Speaker 1: she's come up one other time in the book and there.
Speaker 1: So the way Leathy House works is there is it's
Speaker 1: a really stupid house because there's only three members at
Speaker 1: any given time, even though it has all these powerful alumni.
Speaker 1: You Virgil Dante and Oculus who or no Virgil Dante and.
Speaker 3: Is something but I don't know if it's.
Speaker 5: Is.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 1: So there are these roles where it's like the mentor,
Speaker 1: the protege, and then the like administrator of the administrators
Speaker 1: that's DAWs again, remember, Yeah, And then they have a
Speaker 1: connection to like the police of the town, and then
Speaker 1: they have a connection to the school. So they have
Speaker 1: Dean Sando is there like school link and he was
Speaker 1: suspicious from the very beginning because he wasn't doing enough
Speaker 1: to solve the crime.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think you mentioned that, Like Darlington went missing
Speaker 5: and that was like the big thing, the big setup
Speaker 5: as the big mystery from the top.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he's like he's missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he was.
Speaker 5: It was weird because it was like the dean was
Speaker 5: really focused, claiming to be focused on it, but then
Speaker 5: like not doing anything to find him at all.
Speaker 1: It wasn't okay. He goes missing and they think he's
Speaker 1: in a quote unquote pocket realm of the world and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we got a wait for the new
Speaker 1: moon to get him out, and then they just missed
Speaker 1: the person. If we all know our moons, it only
Speaker 1: happens once a moon, yeah, miss it, and they have
Speaker 1: to wait for a whole second moon. I would be
Speaker 1: filipping out, guys if I ever need rescued. And it's
Speaker 1: like there's one day of the month that it works.
Speaker 1: Clear your schedules.
Speaker 5: Because he seems so confident that's what was happening, and
Speaker 5: was like why, I mean, I guess I'll accept it
Speaker 5: because we're talking magic, but like, apparently that's not actually
Speaker 5: what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this character is suspicions from the beginning, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the book it's like, oh, he
Speaker 1: was a bad actor. He's trying to it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but he's trying to empower himself. He's gotten into some
Speaker 1: trouble because he's getting divorced. He needed money, so he's
Speaker 1: basically murdering people to try to make money from the clubs.
Speaker 7: It like.
Speaker 3: New like so it's not like great, well, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: It's not like a big bad is these like rich
Speaker 5: people who are like a controlling and never have their
Speaker 5: uh they they they can do whatever they want. Unchecked,
Speaker 5: those people weren't the big bad. It was the guy
Speaker 5: who just helped them out because he needed money.
Speaker 2: For Yeah, do they even know that a murder was
Speaker 2: taking place so they could get their new magic realm
Speaker 2: hole or whatever.
Speaker 1: Why why are we making them less bad? I don't understand.
Speaker 1: That is a very good point. Okay, I'm going give
Speaker 1: you that one.
Speaker 5: Nice yeah, but also truly a Yale professor was also
Speaker 5: the real villain because on top of that, she shows
Speaker 5: up speaking French.
Speaker 1: It was an academic, a tenured academic was what is this?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think also like the only other female character in the.
Speaker 3: Book of a substance Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Like, I also want to say my favorite scene in
Speaker 1: the book was I think the book is so creative
Speaker 1: and imaginative. But there's this one moment where Alex has
Speaker 1: to die to get information from a dead girl. So
Speaker 1: she's about to go into the rain like this the
Speaker 1: Egyptian River. But before she goes in, she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I realized too late. I was wearing a white T shirt.
Speaker 1: But it was no time to be modest and worry
Speaker 1: about to go. Seeing my breast bulging through my white waist,
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I've forgotten about that.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. There are many little moments like
Speaker 1: that that make the book very fun where it's uh
Speaker 1: where it gets it turns from when I say fun,
Speaker 1: I mean and you do start to go, okay, this
Speaker 1: is there's a reason it's here.
Speaker 5: There's yeah, there's just like sometimes little quips and stuff
Speaker 5: that you're like, okay, you didn't need that, and like
Speaker 5: like they wanted she wanted to add some I'm like
Speaker 5: this is anti like miss uh yeah, down with misogyny.
Speaker 5: Somebody says something like really, I don't know, kind of
Speaker 5: like over the top, and you're like, all right, cool.
Speaker 2: If she could die and then speak to dead people,
Speaker 2: she couldn't do that for the murder they're trying to solve.
Speaker 1: That's why she did. She wanted to talk to the day.
Speaker 3: It didn't seem like.
Speaker 2: It seems like that should be what we should be
Speaker 2: doing for all murders. Then just make it routine.
Speaker 1: Also, I did not like hearing.
Speaker 3: About her dying. Like I was like, no, thank you
Speaker 3: to this. Oh yeah yeah that was give me a
Speaker 3: trigger warning.
Speaker 5: You have to read like first person perspective of being drowned, right,
Speaker 5: I was like, no, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not pleasant. That's super fun.
Speaker 1: Tough thing about it being a horror book, You're gonna have.
Speaker 2: Another question about the world and the magic and stuff.
Speaker 2: So an average person in the world, do they know
Speaker 2: that magic exists or not?
Speaker 5: I think no, no, because like she didn't know really
Speaker 5: or she knew ghosts existed, but she knew she couldn't
Speaker 5: talk about it because people thought she was crazy.
Speaker 2: Seems like that complicates things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the bitch people.
Speaker 5: And I was like, does only they kept talking about
Speaker 5: New Haven and being like the reason why, like it's
Speaker 5: all all this magic's here, And I was like, do
Speaker 5: our other.
Speaker 3: University anybody else got anything? Or is it just Yale?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And what is what are you saying about?
Speaker 1: Really be that surprised if only rich people knew that
Speaker 1: magic existed, though, like for real, tomorrow we find out
Speaker 1: magic exists and like only the top one percent new
Speaker 1: would that really say?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 5: I would think that this is how they justify all
Speaker 5: their shitittiness or something like they're like.
Speaker 3: It was just magic.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like people like who are like really
Speaker 5: big athletes are always like give it up to God.
Speaker 3: It's like just easier to be like there's I'm great
Speaker 3: for other reasons. Nothing to do with me and anything
Speaker 3: I might have done.
Speaker 1: So if tomorrow you learned, like the whole Kardashian family
Speaker 1: just like did this a spell one time about for
Speaker 1: wealth and power, I wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Would have a hard time believe. I'd be like, they
Speaker 2: think that's what happened.
Speaker 5: This is if that's what makes them feel better about themselves, Go,
Speaker 5: I go have at it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I need Sabrina on this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a tough one. When that's Sabrina, I
Speaker 5: can sense that. You know I'm not a ghost person.
Speaker 3: You know I'm not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I.
Speaker 1: Think just Sabrina would be like, yes, I could see.
Speaker 2: I feel like they added an extra layer of complication
Speaker 2: to the book. So like she had, there's like a
Speaker 2: stuff where she had to lie to her realm mates
Speaker 2: about where she was and what she was doing and
Speaker 2: who Darlington was and why she was always off with him,
Speaker 2: And it's like we could just eliminate that and be
Speaker 2: like people know about that. Magic exists, but maybe not
Speaker 2: to this extent because like so she told her roommates
Speaker 2: Darlington was her cousin. But then later her roommate calls
Speaker 2: her mom to come visit her, and there's no talk
Speaker 2: at all about like the mom doesn't know that there's
Speaker 2: a fake cousin who's missing very it's just a bit
Speaker 2: of a hope. It's like, well, if you're not going
Speaker 2: to do it, don't put in the book. Just make
Speaker 2: it so that they know that there's magic and she
Speaker 2: doesn't have to constantly justify to her roommates. And I
Speaker 2: guess that's always like throughout the book was bothering me because.
Speaker 3: It was always the same thing.
Speaker 5: I've got an interview and they were just like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're so mysterious, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like she's gonna get found out. Whenever she was doing something,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is she gonna explain this to the roommates?
Speaker 2: It was all not answered.
Speaker 6: Like that.
Speaker 2: I remember when it was like I have to change
Speaker 2: out of these blood soaked clothes into my leaf the
Speaker 2: house sweats. Oh it's just a symbol of a leaf
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: The fuck.
Speaker 2: No one's it's not gonna mean anything to anyone. And
Speaker 2: I had like so much anxiety. That's why I remember
Speaker 2: this dull moment.
Speaker 1: What did I ask?
Speaker 2: What are your roommates asked about it?
Speaker 1: I know it's it's the most secret of secret societies.
Speaker 1: Like the other societies, at least people know they exist,
Speaker 1: but no one knows leath the House exists. And then
Speaker 1: it's just like they have leath the House so funny,
Speaker 1: like it's they were one step away from having a
Speaker 1: table at like the student there, it's a secret.
Speaker 2: It's like why it's the house's magic? Why does an
Speaker 2: interest have nice clothes for that she could fit and
Speaker 2: wear in?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: It also the house is mad literally magic, like the
Speaker 1: house like provides your every need and it's it feel like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also pissed me off, like this seems like
Speaker 2: so unnecessary in the book that a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: her excuse to her roommates was like I was going
Speaker 2: on a run, I was at the gym, And then
Speaker 2: she'd have to be like, but I never work out.
Speaker 2: I'm just naturally so thin. It's going to catch up
Speaker 2: to me eventually.
Speaker 1: Fuck off. Why would you put that in a book
Speaker 1: for women? Can at please remind me that.
Speaker 5: She's like on drugs or something like yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but I never work out that.
Speaker 1: I take You're right, okay, you guys are poking a
Speaker 1: few holes.
Speaker 3: Gosh, I know there's probably a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't think Darlington also like, uh, I think I
Speaker 5: also felt unsatisfying the book because like the Darlington mystery
Speaker 5: was left open. I get that's like, oh, now you
Speaker 5: have to read the next one, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 5: So I just felt like it started out so there
Speaker 5: was so much Darlington in the flashbacks and to never
Speaker 5: have him actually be in the present or actually be
Speaker 5: in part of the plot pushing it just like when
Speaker 5: we were in that last two undred pages, I was like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm glad things are finally happening, but like, when are
Speaker 5: we gonna when is this gonna come back to Darling?
Speaker 5: And then and then it was like the last page,
Speaker 5: I'll say something that all right, sure, I don't like
Speaker 5: we got out of the demon his.
Speaker 2: His perspective chapters from his perspective early on, Like wait,
Speaker 2: maybe we could have had that.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised that she didn't know what the
Speaker 5: ending of this book was while she was writing it,
Speaker 5: Like it just.
Speaker 2: Felt like still have him not be rescued yet and
Speaker 2: give us a perspective where he's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. I'm in inside the mouth of a
Speaker 2: demon or whatever. Monster or something like. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 2: and you can still set up your sequel while not
Speaker 2: well not completely ignoring him for a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she pulled to Stephen king ending?
Speaker 7: Is that so bad?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 3: Is that why you? Why do you call this a
Speaker 3: Stephen king ending.
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have them? Okay, notoriously off.
Speaker 3: But there you go. Then it makes sense why he
Speaker 3: was all about it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a compliment. I think it makes a
Speaker 1: book better.
Speaker 3: Having not having an ending makes a book better.
Speaker 5: It's okay, sure, yeah, I don't know, and I guess
Speaker 5: the big thing for this book is just so fucking long.
Speaker 3: Like it was too long. It could have been edited
Speaker 3: in a lot down. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd take about the splits.
Speaker 6: We just.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot you could take it out.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Wait, is is Alex like bye or
Speaker 5: gay or something? Sorry, nobody felt that way. I thought,
Speaker 5: like maybe that the girl there was like something going
Speaker 5: on there, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I think it was just a French.
Speaker 3: Like the girl from the past who became a ghost
Speaker 3: and inhibited her.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think they were just like trauma bonded,
Speaker 1: only had each other.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and then also sorry when you talking about
Speaker 5: the flashback where like Darlington somebody like makes him take
Speaker 5: something that makes him like super horny, and then he
Speaker 5: like also kind of sexual assaults Atlex And it was
Speaker 5: confusing to me because I was like, was this like
Speaker 5: them both like they both really like each other and
Speaker 5: this is like it's finally coming out in this because
Speaker 5: he did. But then that wasn't it, And I was
Speaker 5: just like why why was why did that have to happen?
Speaker 5: She seems so chill about it?
Speaker 2: What's Yeah, he gets magiced into humping her and she's
Speaker 2: like it's cool, and it's like, yeah, it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been interesting if.
Speaker 3: Like it shouldn't be drawn like her trigger in some way.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it would have been an interesting if
Speaker 2: it was like we and we like each other and
Speaker 2: like it was some sort of inner thing that Darlington
Speaker 2: hadn't been, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5: And that like oh and actually liked him and then
Speaker 5: but you like obviously their first encounter was not fully consensual,
Speaker 5: but like it's she.
Speaker 3: Didn't know how to do. I don't know. I thought
Speaker 3: maybe something was how gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there were times in the book when he
Speaker 2: was missing, and she was like, I crawled into his
Speaker 2: bed and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought me, like, right, I thought we were
Speaker 5: going to get back to I thought they for sure
Speaker 5: had sex at some point and we were going to
Speaker 5: get to that in a flashback.
Speaker 3: But it never happened. So I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: don't understand what.
Speaker 2: Allah Instead, he just disappeared a monster.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, a monster. He went into
Speaker 1: a monster's mouth, he went inside a monster.
Speaker 3: He came inside of monster. I deemon.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, this is the first book in a
Speaker 1: three book series, so I think they're setting up a realm.
Speaker 3: You do, Okay, I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I thought maybe, but then like, because of
Speaker 5: the way you're acted, was like, is this like is
Speaker 5: this another Oh she's she's subverting a trope that. Oh
Speaker 5: you're fucked up because you thought these two characters, just
Speaker 5: because they're male and female, we're gonna end up together.
Speaker 3: That's fucked up.
Speaker 5: They're completely platonic and he actually assaults her.
Speaker 3: And she doesn't even care. They're that platonic.
Speaker 5: Like, I don't know what exactly happens, but guess I
Speaker 5: don't know, Yeah, guess Johnna, you'll have to tell us.
Speaker 1: Oh, I will be telling you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, because I don't want to even have to
Speaker 2: look it up, but i'd like to know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll be starting hell Bent right after I
Speaker 1: finish four hundred and thirty eight Days a Story of
Speaker 1: Survival on this scene reading list.
Speaker 5: Oh did if you guys go to the Wikipedia and
Speaker 5: there is no plot synomous?
Speaker 3: But I was actually it was I've never been more
Speaker 3: pissed off.
Speaker 5: I was like, because I was like, I'll check this
Speaker 5: out just you know, see what I missed or if
Speaker 5: I'm confused about it.
Speaker 3: I was like, you fucking kidding me.
Speaker 2: Can't be summed up, can't be done? JOHNA, why don't
Speaker 2: you copy and paste yours?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna add it right now. Let's see how
Speaker 1: it goes. Let's see if I get bumped.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, huge.
Speaker 1: If it stays, this will be my first Wikipedia. Look,
Speaker 1: they need it.
Speaker 3: It's there like they want it. Clearly it's set up
Speaker 3: to have it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, anyway, this book was it's gonna be on the
Speaker 5: We don't think we talked about this or did you
Speaker 5: when I was messing with my mic that it's going
Speaker 5: to be an adaptation for Amazon Studios.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a.
Speaker 2: No, we didn't. We solely made fun of you doing.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, okay, well yeah, we had our own
Speaker 5: private it's gonna be that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So we'll see what they do with it.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I don't think I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 5: I did think this was because I had heard of
Speaker 5: what is the one on its skull and bones? Is
Speaker 5: that the one that's actually on netflick that's by her?
Speaker 5: I thought this is maybe the same thing, and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, maybe i'll watch it. I didn't really
Speaker 5: and then I was like, oh, no, it's not this,
Speaker 5: it's a different thing.
Speaker 3: The Grays ghosts were called the Grays. Sorry? Is that
Speaker 3: something you knew? Joanna?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Is that something you're familiar with from your time at
Speaker 3: Salem or whatever.
Speaker 1: Salem or whatever? How dare you mean that term ghost
Speaker 1: being Grays? I think it's really cool now.
Speaker 2: They're called the Grays because other people could see them
Speaker 2: but only in black and white, but Alex could see
Speaker 2: them in color.
Speaker 5: I think that's true. I don't think that other people
Speaker 5: can see them unless they're like have magic. They do
Speaker 5: some magic ritual, but they only show up as grays,
Speaker 5: and for her they're like, yeah, super colorful, super.
Speaker 2: Hot, really super hot apparently for her and JOHNA.
Speaker 1: Okay, I it wasn't an attraction. It was just a
Speaker 1: statement of fact.
Speaker 3: This is just like.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have sex with a ghost.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. I think they'd be cold.
Speaker 1: Then I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 3: Cold.
Speaker 1: It sounds awful. Sounds cold to be uncomfortable, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be chillier. What if they like came inside you and
Speaker 1: then like they they like use you to masturbate.
Speaker 3: Would that be okay?
Speaker 2: No, No, that's that sounds bad.
Speaker 1: It sounds really scenario for something that could happen in
Speaker 1: my life. I wouldn't be cold with ghost.
Speaker 3: To come.
Speaker 7: They came like they inhibited you, and then they were
Speaker 7: like I control your body. I'm taking my think he's
Speaker 7: down south. Twinkle tinkle twinkle.
Speaker 1: No, I have the initial I still think it'd be
Speaker 1: very cold. I still still be quite really weird, really
Speaker 1: really bad. I think I'd be really really really scared
Speaker 1: because like the number one thing that's happening is a
Speaker 1: ghost has possessed my body.
Speaker 4: Even though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like hot. I don't think it's hot.
Speaker 1: I think it's really really if the ghost Dark is
Speaker 1: wearing a suit and has a hole in his chest, no,
Speaker 1: I just think he was attractive in life. Probably I was.
Speaker 2: Oh, she is backed hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't attracted to the ghost. All of my
Speaker 1: love is saved for recent Okay, Okay, I don't have
Speaker 1: room in my heart for others.
Speaker 3: All right, that's fair.
Speaker 5: When maybe we'll see what she does in the second book,
Speaker 5: and if I don't know, I don't actually want.
Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to do anything that's hot.
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem like, doesn't approach hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's made that. Maybe honestly I could boil down
Speaker 3: to this book. It's very hot. Could be my big
Speaker 3: issue with it.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of your issues, all that magic
Speaker 1: and nothing hot.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, should we get out of here?
Speaker 1: All right? Have we done it?
Speaker 3: We're doing We're at the our hate rates. I'm ready, Well,
Speaker 3: you should do good reaching Oh shit, yeah please.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want this episode because we didn't need
Speaker 1: more than one. Award winning horror author Stephen King called
Speaker 1: Ninth House the best fantasy novel i've read in years
Speaker 1: because it's about real people. Barduco's imaginative reach is brilliant,
Speaker 1: and the story, full of shocks and twists, is impossible
Speaker 1: to put down.
Speaker 3: Something I already said it was. You thought it was
Speaker 3: a documentary. It's real, the houses are real, magic is real.
Speaker 1: I like it five stars, so I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to hear from anybody else out there, the Master
Speaker 1: of Horror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'll weigh in, so you're out of five?
Speaker 1: Fuck off what you're okay?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like reading about rape. I don't
Speaker 2: like reading about poop eating. I don't like people in
Speaker 2: baseball beds. I don't like the the uh more practical
Speaker 2: stress of her roommates finding out, and I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't you needed a trigger warning for the roommates stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I couldn't handle it. I just didn't
Speaker 2: like it. So I gonna get you any stars from me.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a lying that's so funny. All right, I'll
Speaker 3: go next.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give it a three out of five because yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I complained about this book a lot.
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily, but I like also compared to other
Speaker 5: books we've read, kid say, it was you know, the
Speaker 5: writing was good, and uh, somebody did a lot of
Speaker 5: research and invented things, which, you know, good on them.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess. So I don't like I don't like reading
Speaker 2: about the ivy Leaku.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I also have the same I also
Speaker 5: didn't talk about it was like pretentious people and but like.
Speaker 3: They didn't. I don't know, I just, yeah, a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of a funk off, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Kind of I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have I don't want to hear about secret societies.
Speaker 5: I honestly don't glorified fratilities whatever.
Speaker 3: I yeah, but I get why. I guess I can
Speaker 3: understand why some people might like the book.
Speaker 5: Uh, Like I said, the writing was good, so I
Speaker 5: couldn't give it a three to five because I'm sure
Speaker 5: that some of you will like it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good nut The writing
Speaker 3: was good that she's.
Speaker 2: Like the sentence structure structure, Yeah, yeah, grammatically impressive.
Speaker 1: Pull that for a pool quote on the back of
Speaker 1: the book. Good sentences that'll sell it. Yeah, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I love reading about the Ivy league, Jean, I fucking
Speaker 1: love read about secret society.
Speaker 2: What about the other stuff? I didn't like the poop, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the poop I didn't bother me. I thought it
Speaker 1: was funny that he had a shit eating grin and
Speaker 1: then he had to eat shit.
Speaker 3: Literally was funny.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. That's punch.
Speaker 1: It was an eye roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I thought you hated puns.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Who said that you like puns? I feel fun about puns.
Speaker 1: I think a good well placed pun here like.
Speaker 3: Can you from episode three oh five where she said
Speaker 3: she hates I thought.
Speaker 2: You found puns to be the lowest form of humor.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have we have been aligned on that.
Speaker 2: I feel like you maybe have a tattoo about how
Speaker 2: puns are bad humor or low humor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I have a tattoo about how
Speaker 1: important the Oxford comments.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also this tattoo right that I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: do'se go together? I feel.
Speaker 1: I actually think poop jokes are some of the lowest
Speaker 1: form of humor.
Speaker 3: Wow, attacking me?
Speaker 2: I see, Okay, so a puon poop joke you're totally
Speaker 2: down for.
Speaker 1: But somehow that it came together. It transcended the form,
Speaker 1: and I came around on it and it worked. It
Speaker 1: worked in the end. This book is clear five out
Speaker 1: of five. I'm so glad I read it. If Mean
Speaker 1: Book Club hadn't brought into my life, I might have
Speaker 1: missed this one, and that would have been a tragedy.
Speaker 1: I would have missed a great book that's out there.
Speaker 3: So read it.
Speaker 1: Don't hesitate to pick this one up. Have some fun,
Speaker 1: treat yourself to a nice piece of literature.
Speaker 3: Three weeks.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very reasonable amount of time to
Speaker 1: have to read a book. I hope you have three
Speaker 1: weeks as well. I hope you can luxuriate in it.
Speaker 1: And I would say, don't feel like you have to finish.
Speaker 1: You could stop somewhere around page four hundred and just
Speaker 1: set it aside and never come back to it, but
Speaker 1: then on the bed, and that'll be the best experience.
Speaker 2: You guys still do little fucker.
Speaker 3: Or we're doing We've been doing little fucker.
Speaker 5: And if you're curious for how both Johnna I believe
Speaker 5: and I have one little fucker in previous apps.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pretty sure you've won before.
Speaker 3: Clara.
Speaker 2: That's what I was afraid of.
Speaker 1: I think James James Koker might have.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't think Clara won. I think James
Speaker 3: voted for her.
Speaker 2: Vote for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because you weren't there.
Speaker 2: This is problem.
Speaker 1: I'm not there to deffect yourself.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm going to vote for John because she
Speaker 2: liked the book and I didn't like the book.
Speaker 3: It's not a good reason, I I I understand that.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, for me, I'm glad John was here
Speaker 5: because you know, it's nice to have that different perspective.
Speaker 3: But she also is really annoying.
Speaker 5: And about she was really backtracking on being horny for
Speaker 5: ghosts instead of just.
Speaker 3: Except leaning into it and speaking proudly of it. And
Speaker 3: then she came at me with like the of course
Speaker 3: you like the poop eating part. So I'm also going
Speaker 3: for Johnna.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I have caused for Sarah for this little
Speaker 1: whole little segment, for her question of whether I would
Speaker 1: want to go goes to come inside my body and
Speaker 1: forced me to masturbate, and whether I would like.
Speaker 5: Iry ways to help you, like you want to get
Speaker 5: the ghost?
Speaker 7: You were like, oh, you're like afraid of the cold
Speaker 7: touch of the ghost, so I was trying to help.
Speaker 1: I also have cause to come at Clara because I
Speaker 1: think her little fucker. It was also an attack on me,
Speaker 1: but worse, it was phoned in, And so for that reason,
Speaker 1: my little fucker is Clara. I don't I don't ever
Speaker 1: think little fucker should be phoned in. It's you know,
Speaker 1: you're attacking someone, You're coming at them, You're ending the
Speaker 1: episode by taking them down a peg. And to do it,
Speaker 1: but also to not even care and give an effort
Speaker 1: into doing it, I think is insulted.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I could have gone specific. I guess
Speaker 2: I could have been like sarahen said, you are annoying.
Speaker 1: And loved it there.
Speaker 2: I guess that would have made you feel better.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 3: That would mean yeah, she likes when people are mean
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 2: I had a hard time pick. I guess I should
Speaker 2: preface it with like, I don't have a strong feeling
Speaker 2: against either of you, so if I have to do
Speaker 2: it is for this small reason.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you should blow up the
Speaker 3: small reason, but I agree.
Speaker 2: But anyway, John, Okay, it's because she said she tried
Speaker 2: to make it be like I haven't been to Salem.
Speaker 3: Also, John, I've seen something that says animal hero of
Speaker 3: the episode.
Speaker 7: Is this mean.
Speaker 9: Proudly present animal hero? Oh the episode?
Speaker 1: I thought that might be a fun segment to add
Speaker 1: where we talk about an animal hero, like.
Speaker 3: The wolf thingy is that live at the house that
Speaker 3: came in?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, I just it was it's unrelated to the book.
Speaker 1: I thought we could anytime it's your time to produce,
Speaker 1: you could bring an animal that you think was heroic.
Speaker 3: Okay, well here's your animal hero of the episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, so my first, my inaugural animal hero of the
Speaker 1: episode goes to a goat. I don't remember the goat's name,
Speaker 1: but so he was thrown into a tiger cage to
Speaker 1: become food for a tiger.
Speaker 2: He's alive, he had, yeah, he had in shape and
Speaker 2: stuff not yeah, so after the people at the zoo.
Speaker 1: Sure. So the thing about this goat is he had
Speaker 1: such bed in the book that I don't think you're
Speaker 1: understanding animal heroes. It says the episode. I guess I
Speaker 1: really thought that this must be.
Speaker 3: Something that happened in the it's not.
Speaker 1: It's just talking about an animal hero and the producer
Speaker 1: of the episode will bring in their animal.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I mean to agree, all right, His goat.
Speaker 1: Was thrown into a tires pen enclosure to be food.
Speaker 1: But the goat has such bde that dick energy. The
Speaker 1: tiger didn't eat the goat, and eventually within a couple
Speaker 1: of days, the goat was living in the tiger's house
Speaker 1: and the tiger had to sleep out.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with the tiger.
Speaker 1: And lived with the tiger for years.
Speaker 2: It's not like a nice inter animal inter species friendship
Speaker 2: the goat somehow, No, it's just like dominated the tiger.
Speaker 1: And tiger made the tiger scared to even go into
Speaker 1: its own house and just ran the enclosure. And then
Speaker 1: subsequent goats were thrown in the tiger.
Speaker 3: Oh that is funny. What the fuck.
Speaker 1: Live together?
Speaker 3: When? When bo is that?
Speaker 1: Well, if that's important to animal Hear of the week,
Speaker 1: I can include details like that.
Speaker 2: Well this one, yeah, for this one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why is this not?
Speaker 2: Why are we not studying what happened.
Speaker 3: All of it?
Speaker 1: I just think it's all about, you know, attitude. You know,
Speaker 1: people like to have that hang in their kitten on
Speaker 1: their office walls. It's a kitten hanging on to a
Speaker 1: little string by one claw. I think we should all
Speaker 1: know about Timmer. Okay, two thousand and fifteen, he was
Speaker 1: placed into Siberian tiger's enclosure as live prey at the
Speaker 1: Primorski Safari Park in Russia, and instead of being eaten,
Speaker 1: he befriended the tiger a more Wow. The pair made
Speaker 1: headlines for their unexpected friendship, living together for several years
Speaker 1: before the goat's behavior led to a fight and their
Speaker 1: eventually the goat.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well taking they were friend I think it
Speaker 1: was just a power thing. But I just think it's
Speaker 1: all about your attitude. Imagine you're meant to be food
Speaker 1: and you become CEO, and I think that's we all
Speaker 1: should be a little bit more of a Timmer and
Speaker 1: less of an Amber.
Speaker 3: Oh the goat and the goat did die in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: That's so sad.
Speaker 1: Ye rest in peace. Oh they spent their days walking,
Speaker 1: playing with the ball and resting together. I think the
Speaker 1: tiger was afraid the entire time. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make this an unlikely animal friendship. I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: this about Timmer's power.
Speaker 2: The taking is Home thing is big, Like, yeah, they
Speaker 2: might have played together, We've all played the that kid
Speaker 2: who like hits you in the face with the ball
Speaker 2: and laughs like.
Speaker 3: Yeah that they stay together. All right, Well you know what? Interesting? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so anyway, pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So I don't know that when I'm the producer, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look for this.
Speaker 3: Na.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, Johanna, And if you want to do
Speaker 2: it again, I think that I would like to hear it.
Speaker 3: I want you to top it. But yeah, I keep
Speaker 3: telling Okay.
Speaker 2: Good, all right, We've got up a new project for Jenna.
Speaker 9: This has been another episode, uh animal hero Oh the episode.
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