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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, TJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, we get ready for a weekend that

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has a massive undisputed light heavyweight title main event in

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Saudi Arabia and a really good card by the way,

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and they're not paying us to say that. As part

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of the undercard of the read season show Better b

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Evan b bol the main event. We are here on

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the fight on the Big Fight Weekend preview pod. I

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am the somewhat capable host. He's our insider, Dan Rayphael.

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You know, it's always good to see you and be

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with you, but I'm saying especially it's good to see

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you and be with you after Hurricane Milton, my friend

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has barreled through West central Florida Wednesday night into Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So it is good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Dan, And we've got a lot to go over

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and we're gonna hear from Tim Zoo in a little bit.

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And this is a bit on the fly, which I'll

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explain more in a second. But it's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing probably better than you. I'm

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glad to see you're alive, not soaking wet, not filled

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with water.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations, we're upright and we're ready for everything, including

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the boxing again. Thank you for finding us. Follow Subscribe

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to this podcast feed previews going into the weekend, Recaps

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off the weekend right here, Apple Spreaker, Spotify, five star

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review helps. So, Dan, we had a hlacious Wednesday night

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wind rain. As you and I are doing this, we

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have not had power at the Reefs household with the

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wife and twins since ten pm on Wednesday night, So

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we're going on like eighteen hours without power. I'm at

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my in laws. Let's hear it for the in laws, baby,

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they have power about fifteen minutes south of us. So

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that's how we're accomplishing this. And again, there are so

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many people, Dan that have lost everything, damage everywhere. There's

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over a million and a half people without power in

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our area this afternoon. Getting the power back on okay,

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but I mean restoring your homes and all of that,

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it is just going to be months night.

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Speaker 1: We do have a boxing podcast, though, at least we

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have that.

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Speaker 2: We have the podcast. Let's cheer it up, let's get

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into it again. You're gonna hear from Tim Zuo challenging

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for the IBF title coming up here, and again we've

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got a variable. It's supposed to be an Orlando next week.

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Orlando got slammed with this thing, Dan an audience. It

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got slammed with Hurricane Milton in the middle of the

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night early Tuesday morning, before the thing went out in

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the Atlantic Ocean.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a mess.

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Speaker 2: But that being said, let's begin with a preview and

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your thoughts. I know it's eagerly anticipated. We're almost there

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for Archer better BF Dmitri b Vol. You had b

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Vol on the podcast and interviewed him. We played that,

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we put it up on the podcast feed earlier in

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a week. I know you're excited. Let's get into it.

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A couple of thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I probably sound like a broken record

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byd now, I've said this a million times to me,

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just the best fight on the calendar in calendar or

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twenty twenty four for boxing, you know, if you really

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wanted to get down and really compare, you know, maybe

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there was a little more excitement in some quarters for

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the undisputed heavyweight title fight between oostikon Fury, and they

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lived up to it in their outstanding fight that was

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earlier in the year with a rematch coming. But Better

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Two outstanding fighters, two undefeated fighters, two guys who fight

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in opposite kind of styles, where it's the monster puncher

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but also a skillful guy in better BF against the

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outstanding technical boxer with great speed and outstanding defense and

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a decent puncher also despite the long stretch without knockouts,

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but just shapes up as just a tremendous battle and

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the winner is going to be the worthy undisputed champion

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and put themselves in history books. There hasn't been an

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undisputed light heavyweight champion since nineteen ninety nine, back when

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it was three belts that was necessary, when Roy Jones

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accomplished it. Before that, you had to go all the

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way back to the nineteen eighties when Michael Spinks accomplished him,

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back in the two built days. It's not a common

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thing at all. It's even less common, you know, than

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in the heavyweight division, because the light heavyweights I think

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in general are less loved, let's say, than the heavyweight division.

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But still, this is a first plast matchup. You can't

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get better. I mean, I'm only disappointed that the fight's

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not taking place in the United States, you know where

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I would be at the fight. But here's everything about it, TJ.

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I know the odds are really close on this fight.

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If you ask me right now who I'm picking, and

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you came back and asked me, you know, half an

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hour from from now, I might have a different opinion.

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And I've gone back and forth like that. And it's

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funny because I know when I talk to other people

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in the boxing business and things, you know, I interact

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with other fans on social media, like I'm not the

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only one that has that feeling. It feels like nobody

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can really truly make a pick, and even if they

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are making it pick, it's always with a caveat be

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well blah blah blah blah blah. Because I think everybody

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who's ever witnessed a fight of B Bolls and or

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better b I understands that there's no right or wrong answer,

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that there's even if you're picking one or the other,

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that you can still absolutely see a reason in a

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pathway for the other guy to be victorious.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so we're gonna make the predictions on the

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bet Us Boxing show God willing Dan that I'm able

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to be there. Maybe back band laws to make that happen.

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But let's elaborate just on one more point. Bevol has

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been much more active as of late because of Better

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then a knee injury. How big a factor, How big

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a factor, if at all, do you think that is.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a factor at all, because he

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hasn't been that much more active. Here's the reality. In

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twenty twenty two, Bevoll had two fights and they were

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pretty significant fights, and that's the reason why he was

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Fighter of the Year. He defeated Nelo Alvarez in the spring,

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and then he came back in November of twenty twenty

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two and he whitewashed Gilberto Zerto Vermirez in a mandatory fight. Too.

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Now he only thought the one time in twenty twenty three.

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won a unanimous decision over Lynda Arthur in a very

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one sided fight. But then he went six months when

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the fight between him and de Vaute was between rather

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him and Better be Able was supposed to take place.

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Obviously better be have had the injury, so he stayed

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on the card and he fought Emlik's inod in Riad

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in June and scored the knockout, first knockout he had

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in several years. But and now he was going into

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this fight with better VF, so he he hasn't. He

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just fought the one time in twenty three, one time

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so far this year, so not a not an inactive schedule,

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but not a row bus schedule now in terms of

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maybe one last fight, had the two fights in twenty

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twenty one, the one fight in twenty two, one fight

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in twenty three, and he has had though one fight

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so far in twenty four, back in January. So the

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inactivity that you're talking about, he's only off a nine

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month layoff. And it was an outstanding performance in the

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last fight where he went to Canada and he you know,

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in you know, in his home, in front of his home.

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his crowd where he hadn't fought in Canada for you know,

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a few fights, and he put on a great performance

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against Callum Smith. So he's not coming off some crazy

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long layoff. Now he is coming off the injury. But uh,

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the inactivity or or activity is basically marginal. They're about

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the same. I don't think that's got one damn bit

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to do with this. This is gonna be about who

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can impose their style best. Can Bieter bev go get

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him with that crunching punching power and and physical nature.

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of Beballs, I've seen pretty much every one of his

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fights ever and I don't ever remember him seeing hurt

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other than in the very late round against Joe Smith

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where he where he looked a little wobbly, but he

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got through it. Uh, and better beev He has been down,

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although against a puncher like Callum Johnson, but he struggled

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with some boxers occasionally. You know, when he won the

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title against Rico Coling, he was winning all the rounds,

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but he was having some struggles. But he's a devastating puncher,

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is it gonna be ble that's gonna you know, use

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that that that mastery of the skill set and the

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and the defense of wizardry that he has in a

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long jab. I think the jab is super important this fight.

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with it? I don't know even know what else to

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say about it. The one big advantage that bee Boll

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because better byeav is thirty nine years old, but he's

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like an old thirty nine even though he's still undefeated.

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He's breaking down, he cuts. You know, he's had a

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few issues here and there. He struggled to a degree.

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I mean, he ended up scoring the knockout like he

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always does. But when he fought the fight against Anthony

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lot of struggles in that fight. It it was a close

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fight up until the time where he did get the knockout.

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don't know until he gets in there. Does that affect him,

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Does that affect leverage punches? We don't know. It's another pair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all I know is this whatever, whatever it is,

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and especially those of us who live here in the

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United States where it's not a pay per view. It's

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as good as it gets as a non paper As

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this is a live free on your ESPN subscription if

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you subscribe. Stop with the nonsense. Well you have to

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subscribe and paid for it. Well, no, you're not buying

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a one off event. It's part of your regular subscription,

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as is the undercard on Desowne. In the United States,

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it is. But even if you live overseas, the full

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event as a pay per view is depending on your

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local currency. He's like about a twenty dollars equivalent pay

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per view, which is still, in my opinion, based on

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typical pay per view prices, Yes, tremendous value. So looks

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gonna be a great matchup. And then, like you mentioned

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in the introduction, it's a very solid, good undercard, very

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worthy undercard. Remember it was supposed to include Sukhor Stevenson,

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but his injury knocked him off the show, and so

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he's not going to fight on this card. But they

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still have a very worthwhile card. Anyway, they got die

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opened well. The co feature is Fabio Wardlea Fraser Clark,

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a couple of big, big, strong heavyweights who had a

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fantastic first fight earlier this year that was a draw,

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like a legit draw. So they're duking it out for

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the British heavyweight title and just another super matchup. Both

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guys undefeated. The only blemish is the draw against each other.

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I mean, I don't see how that's not gonna be

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sloburn knocker, and then he had other good fights on her.

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You know, Christian Bank Junior, he's not in a particularly

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competitive fight on paper, it doesn't seem to me, but

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he's also in the running to fight Canelo Alvarez when

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Canelo returns in the spring. You know, you remember he

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was a candidate to fight him, but Berlina in the

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nice knockout or a good performance certainly could put himself

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in that position. One of my favorite fighters in boxing

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to watch is Ji Opataia, who's the LINEAL and IBF

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cruiserweight champion. He's defending against Jack Massey, who's a maybe

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not the elite contender, but he's no pushover. You know it,

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don't be mistaken because he lost recently. That was that

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heavyweight to Joseph Parker, not a cruiserweight, totally different ballgame.

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but people are gonna watch him.

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less hot dogging out of that guy period.

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Speaker 1: But you know, to his credit there, you know, he's

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only eight and no, he's stepping up in terms of

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a fighter named Liam Cameron who's by far and away

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his best opponent. And you know, they'll be making a

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little bit of history in terms of this fight because

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there has never so far, of all these deep cards

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that they put on on the read season events, there

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has yet to be a women's fight. But that will

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happen now and happen in Saudi Arabia where you have

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the WBC's women champion Sky Nicholson, who's undefeated, defending her

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title against the undefeated Raven Chapman. That's uh, you know,

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Australia versus England. So you know that's a damn good card.

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with the most outstanding main event you could ask for. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we got some humor early in

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the week. I need humor right now with Hurricane Milton

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and all of this, with people saying, can you have Dan?

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Please explain again?

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Speaker 1: How the no?

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Speaker 2: Look, we know you're having fun with us. I will

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say it one more time because you don't. I don't

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want you to, you know, have steam coming out of

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your ears. In the United States, as Rayfield would say,

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if you want to see the main event, you have

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to have ESPN. Plus the entire undercard is on regular

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Speaker 3: In the world.

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reasonably priced and you get the whole thing.

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in the United States or Canada for this event, you're

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not gonna see better BV and B Bowl. And you've

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got warned ten times.

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Speaker 1: I don't They don't think they have ESPN Plus in Canada.

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exactly some version of it right.

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Speaker 1: Who's showing the main event in Canada. But you know what,

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my Canadian friends are smart people. They'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: At this point after we have gone over it and

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gone o. It's like my wife the school teacher. You

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know what I'm saying. We've gone over and gone over it.

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If you don't have it, I can't help you on that.

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Speaker 1: So you missed because you're an idiot. Will tell you

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all about it on the recap. We will on the recaps.

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Speaker 2: On the recap, on the recap, all right, bet Us

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wardly heavyweight battle with Fraser Clark that is one Eastern

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time on Friday. All right, let's get to this. This

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is interesting. Tim Zuo challenging for the IBF Junior middleweight

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title now that is slated for next Saturday. I say

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that against Bachram martaz Alaiev, and where it's going to

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be is up for grabs. We're gonna talk in a

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couple of moments, well or do you want to talk

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about it now?

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Speaker 1: Either way? Either way because of the hurricane. So the

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interview with Tim Zoo obviously I conducted with him, you know,

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before the hurricane hit Florida, so he was, you know,

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and people can hear it on the interview. He's ready

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to go. And Tim is always a he's to me.

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I'll tell you what. I give him the highest praise

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of all the fighters in boxing. He's among the elite

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when it comes to dealing with the press. He's pleasant,

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he's kind, he's understanding, he's patient, and he's he gives

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you a good quotes. I mean, he's he's and I

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think he actually enjoys it, which is funny because his

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father Costaz you who I also covered. Not that he

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was disrespectful or not good, but you could just tell

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it wasn't his favorite activity to talk to the press.

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But Tim, I think he enjoys that interactions. Nonetheless, Uh,

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I've made a couple of my phone calls today to

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different people that are involved with that event because it's

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supposed to take place at the Crib Royal Resort in Orlando,

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which in and of itself the facility. I am told

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no damage. Everything is good, but as you know, there's

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tons of other issues going on in that area of Florida,

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flooding and power outages it right, So as of when

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we're taking this on like late Thursday afternoon, I am

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told that everything is status quo, business as usual. Their

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plan is to still go forward and do the event

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without a hitch come this October nineteenth, but they won't

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know one, I guess until you know, Friday or Saturday, when.

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Speaker 2: They've obviously it is such a mess here that if

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they get any indication we're not going to really be

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able to do this next week, they've got to go

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ahead and move it to where they're going to move

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it and start promoting that and making arrangements. Well, that

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decision's got to be made.

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Speaker 1: Just to address that for a minute, and talking to

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the pp to the PBC people, Uh, they have an

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alternate plan if they if they have to have to,

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they probably they probably would not move to another location

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for the nineteenth. They would probably delay it by a

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couple of weeks because they also have a date in

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that same location if they want to use it in

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early November.

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Speaker 2: That's that's fascinating. So stay tuned, flew keep up with

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Dan Substack, et cetera. With all that out of the way,

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let's hear from Tim Zoo trying to regain a portion

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of the junior Middleweight World championship coming up on this

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fight when it happens with Bakram. Let's do that right

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now on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is my pleasure to welcome to our podcast

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this week. It is Tim Zoo, former WBO Junior Middleweight

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world champ, and Tim, you got a big fight coming

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up October nineteenth. You'll be challenging this time for the

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IBF version of the title against Bakram Martazziliev in Orlando, Florida.

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It'll be on Prime video, the first non pay per

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view of the Prime Video association with PBC, so welcome.

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I appreciate you doing this. I know you've been in

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Vegas preparing for this fight or whatever fight you were

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going to have. I guess even before this fight was made.

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Are you healthy now with the cut? That's what everybody

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wants to know.

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Speaker 3: Perfect. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. So I want to talk

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about that situation. Then we'll get into your upcoming title

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challenge against Martazzali. Of when you fought the fight in

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March that I referenced against Sebastian Fandora, that was the

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first PBC event that they did in their new deal

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with Prime Video. It was a pay per view headliner.

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Now you're headlining the first non pay per view. It's

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like you are the PBC man of first with this deal.

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Do you feel special because of that designation?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an honor for me, you know, to be

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able to be to be picked out of the big

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stable of fights and to be representing it's an honor.

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Speaker 1: That's cool, all right. So, like I said, before we

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get into your upcoming fight, I just I wanted to

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talk about a little about the Fundora fight. I'm probably

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I think you're probably sick of talking about it. But

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it was such a riveting fight for a lot of

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different reasons. Just a tremendous battle. This was back on

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March thirtieth at the Team Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

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Unfortunately for you, you lost a split decision cost a

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year world title. But I have to believe you made

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a dramatic amount of fans in that fight, given how

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you fought that the excitement of the fight. Also, you

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had a chance to win the WBC's vacant interim title

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in that fight. Tim, I thought you dominated the first

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two rounds. I thought you were on your way to

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a knockout victory against Wndora, And then it happened. He

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hits you with the elbow by accident at the end

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of the second round, and the blood opened up on

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that cut, on your top of your head, on your scalp,

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and pretty much to fight. It seemed to me anyway

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as a viewer, that had just changed everything. Even though

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you fought your heart out. How much did that impact you.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. Like, looking back at it, I

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think it did.

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Speaker 4: There was plenty of emotions I guess running through you know, blindsided,

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You're constantly thinking about the cut rather than thinking about

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the fight.

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Speaker 3: The momentum shift.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I could say it played a pop again, it's

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some an excuse. Sometimes you have to adapt and be

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able to deal with what you've got.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anybody that would see you, or

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any fighter fight through that type of cut, that type

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of blood, would would take anything as an excuse. And listen,

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he was not in a perfect situation either because you

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broke his nose, it seemed at the end of the

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first round or in the first round. It just felt

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like you had more to deal with than he had

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to deal with. Because he had the blood. He was

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probably swallowing it. Here you're just pouring down your face.

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It's very obvious. How in the world did you fight

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through the blood, because it's one thing to be cut

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and to feel it, and it's another thing to just

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i don't know, probably not be able to see very well.

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And it's just it was it was. I mean, I'm

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sure you've seen the pictures in the video. It was

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rough man, How did you How do you go on

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for another ten rounds like that? I'm in awe of that.

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That's why I'm asking it like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, what When it first happened, I

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knew it wasn't a normal cut something that I've had before,

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or what anyone's had before.

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Speaker 3: I knew it was.

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Speaker 4: This was something different because as as soon as I

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put my head down, or remember the fountain of bloodsprushing,

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and I was like in my head, I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, Nah, this isn't this isn't right. You know,

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this early, not this early right now? You know, maybe

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in the later rounds, but not not now. Uh.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it affected me to a certain extent. It

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was it was annoying.

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Speaker 1: Did it hurt or was it just in your way?

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it heard, but it was just the

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amount of blood that was coming in. It was I

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couldn't see it. I couldn't see it was it was

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that's blood is strong. It's not like water. It's it

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stinks and when it goes into your eyes, it sort

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of stays there.

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Speaker 3: So for me, it was more like I was.

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Speaker 4: I was like I was, if you screen your eyes

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like that, you can you can barely see stuff. So

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it was like that, but it red.

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Speaker 3: I remember, yeah, you remember what I remember.

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Speaker 4: Going through the first couple of rounds, I was like, damn,

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what the hell, there's certain punches I can't see, uh,

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that are.

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Speaker 3: Just kidding me. And I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: When you're getting frustrated, you're starting to swing more and

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you and you again, you get caught with it, stupid shots.

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And it was more about trying to adapt to the

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situation for me.

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Speaker 1: So while you're dealing with that and trying to do

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a lot of stuff, get through the fight, deal with

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the blood, obviously, try to score your punches. Are you

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at this point realizing that he's also struggling because you've

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broken his nose and he's got his own issues to

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deal with, And it's kind of like who can outlast

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the other guy?

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Speaker 3: Nah?

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Speaker 4: Say, that's that's where That's where everything went wrong for me,

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is that I stopped concentrating on the game plan. I

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stopped concentrating on what's happening in front of me. But

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I was rather trying to figure out what to do

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with myself. And that's never been, uh, that's never been

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in my head when I used to. When I fight,

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it's all about breaking an opponent down, seeing where his

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weaknesses are, seeing how he's breathing, seeing everything about the fight,

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and and and that's that's where I wasn't able to

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00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:57,920
pick it up.

473
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,759
Speaker 1: Now, was there any point where you thought, Okay, you

474
00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:02,599
know what, my corner is going to stop it. The

475
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720
referee or the doctor's going to recommend to stop it

476
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,119
because a lot of us watching, you know, the conversation

477
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,759
that's taken place since that fight was Boy, they could

478
00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:12,079
have stopped that fight. And you know, because it was

479
00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:14,839
an accidental foul, you go to the cards, who's gonna

480
00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,519
win the fight? And you get out of dodge, you

481
00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:19,759
have your belt, and you know that's living. You fight

482
00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:20,319
another day.

483
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: No, that wasn't. That wasn't in my head.

484
00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: The method of victory for me was to was to

485
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,559
win convincingly and to win the purple way, not not

486
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,640
due to an accident until over.

487
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: Well, I just know that I've been doing this a

488
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,640
long time. I've been covering boxing almost twenty five years.

489
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,319
I've been watching it for probably forty years. I don't

490
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:42,559
know if I've ever seen anything like that. I have

491
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,680
so much respect for what you did to fight through that.

492
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,000
That actually took a photo of the blood coming down

493
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,200
your face and made it the picture on my social

494
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:51,240
media as a matter of fact, on my on my

495
00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:55,799
twitterally just it was a remarkable thing. But now i'll

496
00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:58,440
talk about what's come since then. You were supposed to

497
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,880
be lined up to fight against Verses in August, and

498
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,079
I guess that got called off because the doctors, your

499
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,319
doctor said, you know what, he's not ready to go

500
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,359
because of the cut. How disappointed were you to not

501
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,359
get that opportunity? That was on a big card with

502
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,119
Terrence Crawford Los Angeles. Uh, you know, on a on

503
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,880
a on what was a really deep show. A lot

504
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,440
of people were saying that the Tim Zuo virtual artis

505
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:22,440
that's the best fight on the card. Obviously it never

506
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,839
did not happen because you were not clear to how

507
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,200
disappointed were you in that not happening.

508
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Look, as soon as I got back home,

509
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,839
I booked Thailand, when I caught up with my dad

510
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,160
in Talian, did a little training campaign and I was

511
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,079
ready to go. And then then I didn't get the

512
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,039
clean and I was I was devastated because again because.

513
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: It was something I would have put me brought back

514
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,440
in the mix, and it is what it is.

515
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,599
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of think about it like this.

516
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,079
You tell me if you agree that maybe it was

517
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,400
a silver lining that that fight did not happen because

518
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,319
if you had fought Virgil Artis, you are the undercard,

519
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720
you're fighting for an interim title. Now you're the main

520
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,039
event and you're fighting for a full title. Is that

521
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,240
like the silver lining in terms of you know, sort

522
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,440
of everything happens for a reason mentality.

523
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,519
Speaker 4: It so it is, yeah, like stay patient, you know,

524
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:15,079
and sometimes the right opportunities will come. I was, I

525
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,920
think I was a bit desperate and I was ready

526
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,880
to go, and I was I was.

527
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: Just ready to go.

528
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,039
Speaker 4: I was like, let's see, man, I just just had

529
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:25,559
my loss, but I'm not devastated.

530
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,079
Speaker 3: I'm not down. I'm ready to go, like it's all good.

531
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: Uh, but due to the to the cut, it was,

532
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,880
it was still not ready. But yeah, everything happens for

533
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,640
a reason, and I'm happy to be in his position

534
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:39,440
right now to be fighting for the full IBF bel

535
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:43,640
On on the first free to air Amazon Amazon fight.

536
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: Line exactly now your opponent and Barker Mark matiz Leef.

537
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,720
I don't think a lot of people, at least here

538
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,319
in the United States, anywhere probably anywhere even maybe even

539
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,039
around the rest of the world, don't really know a

540
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,799
lot about him. Uh. He did win this vacant title

541
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:58,839
when Jamel Charlote vacated the title. Rather than go through

542
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960
with that mandatory defense he had against Martazliev, he ended

543
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:04,359
up fighting Jack col K in Colek's country of Germany

544
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,400
in April to win the vagant title. He scored a knockout.

545
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,640
He looked really good in that fight. It was a

546
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,200
very exciting fight, and I just wonder what your thoughts

547
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,880
were about that performance if you saw it now.

548
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 3: I didn't really watch it.

549
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 4: I watched a little bit, like the highlights, but I

550
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,319
don't really watch too much too much of.

551
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: My parents, so to try to figure him out on the.

552
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Spot, So you or your team, no one's even bothered

553
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,160
to take a look at that.

554
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, my team watches, we create a new game plan

555
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:30,720
from that, but not myself.

556
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,599
Speaker 1: Okay. So, like I said, it was a pretty impressive performance,

557
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:34,920
and I got a chance to see him a few

558
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,279
different times. Back. If you go back to your first

559
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,160
fight when you came to the United States and you

560
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,480
fought against Terrell Geshet in March of twenty twenty two

561
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:46,839
up in Minneapolis. You were the main event obviously that night,

562
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:50,559
and you got a victory against Geshe on the undercard,

563
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,160
not even part of the main broadcast on that show.

564
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,200
He was on that card and continued his undefeated run.

565
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,480
He scored a first round knockout against a you know,

566
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,240
a journeyman type of opponent. I wonder do you remember that.

567
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,160
Did you see him that week? Did you meet him? Yeah?

568
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,559
Speaker 3: I remember saying him that week. I remember saying how

569
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,279
how Tolley was? H he was. He's as much skinny

570
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,680
a guy. I don't know how he made the way

571
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,319
he's he's quite a big boy. Uh. And that's it.

572
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,200
That's I do remember glimpses of him.

573
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: And did you think at that point, obviously you know,

574
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,319
you were on your way to becoming a world champion.

575
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,880
He's an undefeated fighter, you know, being built up as

576
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,880
getting close to a mandatory situation. Are you thinking in

577
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,160
the back of your mind, you know he's in my

578
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,559
weight class. Maybe down the road, I may have to

579
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:34,200
fight this guy.

580
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, to a certain extent, Yeah, I remember, Like I

581
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:40,519
remember like us sort of like seeing each other and

582
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:41,680
like sort of gave.

583
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,839
Speaker 3: Each other like that then knowing that we're gonna get

584
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:46,839
it on one day.

585
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: You know, none of his friendly talk give each other hugs,

586
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,759
It was just a nod seeing the ring sometime in

587
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:54,279
the future.

588
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,279
Speaker 1: But that nod so when they when the fight between

589
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,720
you and he was made, his kids when the fight

590
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,279
was made, was I'm so happy that I'm fighting Tim Zoo.

591
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,000
I'm paraphrasing what he had to say, and I also

592
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,160
don't speak Russian, but he was basically saying like I

593
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,440
I even before this fight was ordered by the IBF

594
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,400
or you know, he was the my mandatory. Tim Zoo

595
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,880
was the guy I wanted to fight. Are you aware

596
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,480
of that? And you know you're not a guy that

597
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,160
a lot of people call out, So that sort of

598
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,759
showed me, like, you know, he's for real.

599
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: Man, Like I think we tried to make the fun

600
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,559
happen and stuff was getting into ways. I don't know

601
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,480
what sorry he's coming from. It's easy to say when

602
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,680
some fights a mandatory, of course, it's easy to say that,

603
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,400
But I don't know if he's telling the truth that

604
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,920
brought the in.

605
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Stone, I'm thinking to myself, whatever happens

606
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,079
in this fight, I mean, if you win the title,

607
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,640
obviously it's a huge boost for your career. You're a

608
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,279
champion once again. If you even if you don't win

609
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,319
the fight, it is something in your in your future

610
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,799
that you want to have happen. Another rematch against Fondora.

611
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

612
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 4: I want to just make the biggest thoughts happen, you know,

613
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,359
I want to I want to keep myself busy.

614
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: Uh, keep fighting.

615
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: For the for the the US audience, something that is

616
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,720
big for me, big dream of mine.

617
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: And then yeah, just keep performing well.

618
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean I would have to think that if you

619
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,200
were to go against Vandora in the future, particularly if

620
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,920
you're the winner of this fight, you're the IBF champion.

621
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,359
He's a unified champion. That's three dolts there, so it's

622
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200
a big time unification. Plus there's the drama and all

623
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,240
the excitement and everything that occurred in the first fight.

624
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,680
I would think that would be a pretty big fight in

625
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,680
one hundred and fifty four pounds, would you? Would you

626
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,119
agree with that?

627
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:30,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

628
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 4: This this again the PBC russ is beak and there's

629
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:36,440
plenty of fights to be made.

630
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: So that is the charlos as well.

631
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: The Spencer's Karence Crawford is in the division as a champion.

632
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,279
U still there. You got Eric Salubin that's been chirping

633
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:50,440
about you you got.

634
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's plenty. There's plenty of funks to be made.

635
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,440
And you know me, I'm not the I'm not to

636
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,680
sit down and wait.

637
00:28:58,799 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: I'll get it.

638
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,839
Speaker 4: Take again, suck John Wick hit list and just take

639
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,440
them all out.

640
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,319
Speaker 1: Well. I think after a guy looking a fight through

641
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,319
that blood, who fought once through a couple of weeks

642
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,160
after having a dog bite on his arm, we could

643
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400
easily called off the fight. I don't think anybody's gonna

644
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,480
disbelieve you. Tim. Thank you very much for your time

645
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,240
with this. I appreciate it, and I wish you best

646
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,359
of luck in the fight.

647
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thank you.

648
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,039
Speaker 2: You bet all right again. You saw him, you spoke

649
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,880
to him. As you said in the build up there

650
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,119
to the interview, he's ready to go again. It's worth

651
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,559
mentioning that was done before the mayhem with Hurricane Milton,

652
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,160
so that could be a variable on where is the fight?

653
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,839
Speaker 1: When is the fight?

654
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: As you just said before the interview, you believe from

655
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,519
the reporting that you're talking about, they're still going to

656
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,960
be good. And by the way, it's amazing what they

657
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
do in this state with being able to get things

658
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,400
back on and back together and you've got nine or

659
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920
ten days to get this thing ready for the carib

660
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Royal Resort in Orlando next weekend. But a final thought

661
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,920
on Tim Zoo, exciting fighter. We both like him. Final

662
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,359
fought here off that interview.

663
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I said, he seems very ready

664
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,079
to go. He's been in training, he's here in the

665
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,039
United States. There's no issues in terms of coming from

666
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,839
Australia to America to acclimate himself to the time change

667
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,759
or climate change or anything like that. And if you've

668
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,440
ever watched backroom fight, you know he makes you know,

669
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,279
entertaining fights, comes forward, good, good puncher. I think this

670
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,200
is a sleeper fight for you know, something memorable potentially,

671
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,559
I mean a really good on paper anyway in terms

672
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,240
of excitement level, and you know, made the best man win.

673
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: Much more time to preview that coming up next week

674
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:38,000
as all of it unfolds. Okay, some news and some nostalgia,

675
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:45,319
all right, David Benavitez, it looks like he and David Morrell, Yes,

676
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,359
give me more on what you have found out here

677
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,599
for the two guys that are now light heavyweights.

678
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna happen. I mean, everybody that I've

679
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,519
talked to says it's on, and David Morrell himself posted

680
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,359
about it happening on his social media. And remember if

681
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,240
you go back to June of twenty twenty three, and

682
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,880
I went and I looked this up because I remembered

683
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,319
that I had written about this back at the time,

684
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,000
and I found my article that I wrote about it.

685
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,079
So in June twenty twenty three, their teams had made

686
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,920
a deal for the fight and it was supposed to

687
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,759
happen that fall, like October November, and the morel people

688
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,680
were definitely on board with it. His promoter even gave

689
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,440
me quotes on the record about making the deal. Samson Lookowitz,

690
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640
who was the promoter for David Benavidez, also gave me quotes.

691
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,200
It wasn't like I was reporting. I mean I do.

692
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,240
I report plenty of fights where its sources when deals

693
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,880
are not done or you know, people don't want to

694
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,480
talk about it just yet, but this was actually not

695
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,720
one of them. This was both sides on the record

696
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,599
stating that we're doing this fight. As it turnout, Benavidia's

697
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,440
got a little bit sideways with his promoter because he

698
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,599
didn't feel like he was properly informed about it and

699
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,400
there was some issues there and he decided he wasn't

700
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,319
going to fight David Morrell and instead he fought dimitris Andre.

701
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,200
That was the fight they went forward with instead of

702
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,720
the Merrell fight. Obviously, David looked great, he knocked andred

703
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,359
out and they've had their back and forth since where

704
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,000
they've been calling each other out this and that. Particularly,

705
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,720
you know Morell after he scored a win, calling out

706
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,119
Navid's when Benavide's was sitting their ringside at his fight.

707
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,920
In any event, there has been a lot of conversation

708
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,000
about what would they do next. Both of them, of course,

709
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440
were not able to get a Canelo fight at super middleweight.

710
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000
They both moved up to light heavyweight. They both made

711
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,640
their debuts in that weight class and won their fights.

712
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Benavide's did so against Alexander Vodzik back in June on

713
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,480
the Tank Davis Frank Martin undercard. You had David Morrell

714
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,480
making his light heavyweight debut on the Terrence Crawford Madri

715
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,799
Mavriatte season card in August and the Los Angeles they

716
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:34,839
both won beltz Morel with the regular WBA title, Benavide's

717
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,519
with the WBC's interim title. Anyway, they need a big fight,

718
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,240
and there's you know our better BF and B Ball

719
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,559
are going to take care of undisputed on Saturday. And

720
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,799
to me, anyway, and I don't think this is going

721
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,240
out on a limb by any means, is that this

722
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,559
is the next best fight you can make at one

723
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,680
hundred and seventy five pounds at least at the moment,

724
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,279
and both guys are into it. It's going to headline

725
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,960
a PBC pay per view. It'll be either January twenty fifth,

726
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,720
potentially early February, site to be announced or determined, probably Vegas.

727
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,839
You know, it would not be surprising whatsoever if it

728
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,039
was out there and it's just a first plast matchup.

729
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,279
I mean, if you again, if you like boxing, this

730
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,039
is what you want to see. This is literally like

731
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,559
the next best guys in the division to produce what

732
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,440
would be the guy that everybody will say we want

733
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,319
to fight him. We want to see this winner fight

734
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:28,160
the winner of the undisputed fight. And also everybody seems

735
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,799
on board of it now, like it's not like it's

736
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,079
you know, there's issues there. They've been, like I said,

737
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,160
been calling each other out and.

738
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Say we're we're kind of going to be able to

739
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:36,880
roll here on these news items that we like good things,

740
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680
and good things are going to be happening apparently, so

741
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,079
that one that one's apparently going to happen.

742
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:41,839
Speaker 1: Let me just mention what our thing about this. This

743
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,359
was not announce and by the way, the fight's not

744
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,000
like official bit announced. But my reporting is that when

745
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,440
Morrell and Benevitez have this fight early in twenty twenty five. Again,

746
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,440
this is not done, but this is let's say it's

747
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,039
trending this way. It's likely to be the case that

748
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,039
the cofeature is going to probably be the rematch between

749
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,279
the newly crap WBA one hundred and forty pound title

750
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,960
holder jose Reyel Valezuela against Isaac Pittbaul Cruz, who he

751
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,559
defeated on that same August third card when Morell made

752
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,480
his debut and claimed the belt in the light heavyweight division.

753
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:18,320
So he dominated. Yeah, I thought that he won the fight,

754
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,320
but I thought that Cruise made it much more competitive

755
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,280
than some people did. Nonetheless, that's a rematch that they're

756
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,840
looking to do. He had a right to a rematch

757
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,039
if he lost a fight. It looks like they've accepted

758
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:28,960
that and that's what's going to go forward.

759
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: Now it's interesting now we'll tie it into speaking of

760
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,719
co features. We were wondering if Benavetez might be the

761
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,840
co feature for December with Gravonte Davis. That's not the case,

762
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,119
and you have found out and have reported what the

763
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,360
co feature is, even though it hasn't been announced. Go

764
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,639
ahead share that real quick.

765
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,199
Speaker 1: So there was a chance that David would be that

766
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,400
co feature. There was some conversation he might fight Jesse Hart.

767
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,599
If you look at the statement that David posted on

768
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,719
his social media when he announced he was in be

769
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960
fighting Morel he was talking about how he only wanted

770
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,199
to fight the top guys and with a lot of

771
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,039
other names are He was alluding to Jesse Harden others

772
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,400
at that similar level. Not to knock those guys, but

773
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,360
they're not morell uh So. Anyway, now that that side

774
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,679
of the way, and he's not fighting on the tank

775
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,800
undercard like he did back in June in the co feature,

776
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,920
I am told I've reported this, others have reported this,

777
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,559
and this is definitely happening. I've had this confirmed by

778
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,360
a multitude of people involved with the event that the

779
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,039
co feature win Tank Davis and Lamont Roach fight on

780
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,360
December fourteenth in Houston. Is going to be Brandon Figueroa

781
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,559
in a rematch against Stephen Fulton, which is their first fight.

782
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:33,519
Was a Fight of the Year contender and I say it,

783
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,480
Sign me up, Sign me up. So back at that point,

784
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,880
they fought to unify titles in the junior featherweight division.

785
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Stephen Fulton won a very close and heavily disputed uh

786
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,079
if I miss if I remember correctly, a majority decision,

787
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,159
and he would go on and make a defense and

788
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,519
then he ended up losing those titles by knockout to

789
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,519
know you in a way when he traveled to Japan. Meanwhile,

790
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,679
Figureoa moved up to featherweight, where Fulton has recently moved

791
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,519
up and had his first fight in the weight class.

792
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,280
Figure Out moved up before him and want to won

793
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
a elimination fight, and then he ended up winning the

794
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,440
interim belt of the WBC and now they're going to

795
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,519
do this rematch, so he's going to be the guy

796
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:18,800
defending the interim title, but he's looking for revenge on

797
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,079
a guy that just barely eked it out when they

798
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,079
fought a fantastic fight on showtime back in their first matchup.

799
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,920
So really good, really good undercard fight for that show.

800
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,280
I mean, if it's the if it's as good as

801
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,119
the first fight, we're in for a real treat because

802
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:37,159
that's just a I mean, you like my lines.

803
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: They fought that first fight on a bathroom, Matt, you

804
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,360
didn't need much more lateral room than that the way

805
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,400
that they just and it was mainly figure Roa who

806
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:49,000
was instigating that and trying to make it a brawl

807
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,800
on the ropes and Fulton oblige him, slugged with him

808
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,119
and then pick your winner at the end. And now

809
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,960
we get to see it again. We're on a roll.

810
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,840
We're on a roll right now. If can we can

811
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,519
we we have good things, all right? So can we

812
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:04,280
have good things? Part three on the news is the

813
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,639
undercard that has now been announced for the Fury Usik

814
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,679
rematch Usik Fury two, because Yusik did win the first

815
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:15,079
fight and a very intriguing junior middleweight fight is leading

816
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,639
the way. Tell us more about that real quick.

817
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So earlier this week, Turkey El Chic, who obviously

818
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,079
oversees these reat season cards and likes to make the

819
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,000
announcements in his own way of what the shows are

820
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,599
and they have loaded up these undercards since they started

821
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,760
doing these REAT season cards a year ago. And he

822
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,679
did the same thing in terms of announcing this on

823
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,320
his social media earlier this week, and well, I have

824
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,239
to be honest, it's a good card, but it's very,

825
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,920
very heavily British, which I don't personally mind, but I

826
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,039
don't think that's going to be that appealing to the

827
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,039
American audience. And to be quite honest, and I say

828
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,320
this because now they're held to such a high standard,

829
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:57,039
These REAT season cards are so tremendously outstanding for the

830
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,159
most part. And again I'm not saying this is not

831
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,440
a good card, but again when I first saw it,

832
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,960
I was like, Nah, of all the shows they've done,

833
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,800
it maybe is the weakest. So it's kind of like

834
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,400
when you you know you have a dominating a team

835
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:15,360
or something. They might not have their best performance, you

836
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,320
might knock them a little bit, but they're still better

837
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,840
than everybody else, if you know what I mean. In

838
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,679
an event, the undercard for this fight is go feature tremendous.

839
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,559
The co features first class all the way is going

840
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,679
to be Israel majimof coming off a very close loss

841
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,920
to Ternce Prawffer where he lost his belt taking on

842
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,679
Saray Boachek, also a junior mid away coming off of

843
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,639
an extremely close loss against Virginial Ortiz in their interim

844
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,719
titled Boubt, where he had Ortiz on the deck twice.

845
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,760
And so I think it's a fantastic thing that you

846
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,400
take these two excellent fighters who are coming off tough,

847
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,920
close losses against top notch opposition, and no one's looking

848
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,480
at it like, oh, you know their careers are over,

849
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,679
let's get rid of them, or let's you know, really

850
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,360
hamper them coming back and give them a much smaller fighter,

851
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,199
not as much money or much lower profile, or this

852
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440
or that. But they took these two guys that loss

853
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,079
these post fights, and to their credit, they're willing to

854
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,760
fight each other in the first fight back to really

855
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,519
get themselves back in position for a title fight. They're

856
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,760
gonna make good money. And believe me, Majama Bochak, in

857
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000
terms of action, I think that's a damn good fight.

858
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,039
The rest of the under card, it's got a couple

859
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,320
of heavyweight fights where you got heavyweight up and comers

860
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,960
taking steps up. You got Moses Moses Atama the British

861
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,920
fighters ten and zero considered, but he's only nineteen years old.

862
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:25,920
A lot of people think he's the best heavyweight prospect

863
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,840
in the business, especially now that Jared Anderson has been

864
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,800
you know, knocked out. He's taken on Demse McKean, who's

865
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,679
just got the one loss and a tough fight he

866
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,960
had against Philip Herkovitch where he got stopped late in

867
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,840
that fight. The other heavyweight fight is the very popular

868
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,840
British fighter Johnny Fisher, also undefeated, not taking as big

869
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,159
of a step up in my mind as a TOMA is,

870
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:50,599
but he's taken on the popular British fighter David Allen.

871
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,400
You know that that's David Allen's a little bit passed

872
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,719
his best for sure, but it's still a step up

873
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480
for Johnny Fisher. And then in the other fights they've

874
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,920
announced are a junior f weight fight between two prospects,

875
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,239
Dennis mccannon and Peter mcgrail, who are both uh not.

876
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,639
That should be a good fight, even if it's not

877
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,239
the biggest name names in the world. And then the

878
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,239
other fight is a featherweight fight between Isaac Lowe, who

879
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,599
is on the card because he's one of Tyson Fury's

880
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,000
closest friends, and he's taken on Lee McGregor in that

881
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,159
battle at featherweight, and that's uh, you know McGregor, you know,

882
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,880
had an upset loss, but is considered like still a

883
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,199
possible you know, rising talent, you know, potential champion. And

884
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,960
so there you go. That's the cart that'll be on

885
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,599
December twenty first. Also, and Ria, all right.

886
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,519
Speaker 2: We'll move quickly here because we've got nostalgian and then

887
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,960
I've got to get out of here as well with

888
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,679
all the mayhem here with the hurricane. Hey still on

889
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,840
a roll? Can we have good things? The WBO says

890
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,320
Jana Beck, the middleweight champ. We want you to fight

891
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,719
hams As Shiraz and this will satisfy you keeping the

892
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,320
WBO belt, Rafael, Can we have more good things? What

893
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:52,760
don't we know?

894
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Well, not not to belabor this, but we we un

895
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,679
overall the nonsense that was associated with what happened with

896
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,760
Janna back and the WBO in the last show when

897
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,920
he defeated Miklovich in Australia, but it was only for

898
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,559
the IBF title, and the WBO had said, we're going

899
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,119
to give you a couple you know, five days to

900
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,519
show us why we shouldn't trip you. Because he did

901
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:14,440
not follow the proper WBO Championship title defense rules top rank,

902
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,079
his promoter made the argument to the WBO, hey, listen,

903
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:19,880
we didn't defend the WBO or follow those rules because

904
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,559
we were it was not our fight. It there was

905
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,320
the Mkalovich people who only wanted the IBF and they

906
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,199
were in charge of the show. Blah blah blah, and

907
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,000
so it was out of our hands. The WBO accepted

908
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:33,119
that said, fine, keep your title, but oh by the way,

909
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,280
we're now invoking your mandatory. You must defend. And as

910
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,039
as as you know, the mandatory in the WBO is

911
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,199
Tomasa Shiraz, who's coming off with spectacular performance on the

912
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,119
Anthony Joshua du walcard where he just got rid of

913
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,639
Tyler Danny in two rounds. So the question is now

914
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:52,239
the geneback is still the unified IBF and WBO Middleway champion.

915
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,960
Will he listened to the WBO and attempt to make

916
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,119
the fight. And now Shiraz is supposed to make a

917
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,239
European on the European title, supposed to be European man,

918
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,519
a European mandatory defense against Denzel Bentley, but I don't

919
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,000
to me if you're if you're the Sharaz people, I

920
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,760
mean talk the title fight in the World Championship for

921
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,039
two belts is a lot bigger deal you and the

922
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,400
European So we'll see what happens with that. I mean

923
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,400
the fact that that Hams of Sharaz is so closely

924
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,960
associated with the Riad Season to the point where Turkey

925
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Alshk made him personally selecting as to be one of

926
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,360
the quote unquote Riad Season ambassadors. They want him on

927
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,679
these shows. They offered the fight to Janebec show top

928
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,559
rank claims and uh and Queensberry claims to have done

929
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,320
the fight in place of the Tyler Denny fight, but

930
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,679
the U Janebec team turned it down and ended up

931
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,239
going to Australian instead. So now maybe there'll be a

932
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,639
lot of money there, A great, big opportunity I hope

933
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,960
to fight happens. And like I said, in the middleweight division,

934
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,679
we talked about how terrible it is for the most part,

935
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,519
but if you can make a good middleweight fight, Janebec

936
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:55,079
Sharaz is about as good as a guess in the

937
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,360
current line.

938
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Sign me up yet again, sign me up if that

939
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,960
one's gonna happen. Said that happens all right, real quick, Suprio.

940
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Matthias uh is back. He's going to be fighting with

941
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,360
a new promoter though, right and when? What's the latest

942
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,400
and win real quick?

943
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's not really a new promoter he is. He

944
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,800
has always been promoted for a long time by Fresh Productions,

945
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,280
which is a company out of Puerto Rico, where he

946
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,800
is from. But he had done a co promotion deal

947
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,159
with Mattroom Boxing, which had got him one fight where

948
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,039
they brought him home to Manatee, Puerto Rico to do

949
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,280
the defense and he got upset by Liam Para. And

950
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,239
so this fight was announced h that that that Mattias

951
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,599
was going to return and fight in Beamon, Puerto Rico

952
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,119
at the Roberto Ramirez. I mean to fight against Roberto

953
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,119
Ramirez on this card in Bemon on November ninth. It's

954
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:46,039
actually going to be a pay per view PPV dot

955
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,000
com as well as You're in demand on UH on television.

956
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:51,880
But there was no mention of Mattroom Boxing on the

957
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,400
on the UH on the press announcement. So I actually

958
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,119
asked somebody at Mattroum, hey, what's up? Are you got

959
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:58,280
you know. I mean, it wouldn't be a shock if

960
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,119
they just did a separate fight while he was just

961
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,719
kind of dust himself off. But as it turns out

962
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,559
from what the match from person said to me that

963
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,800
you know, the contract is over. It was just the

964
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,119
one fight he lost and that's that and they wish

965
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,360
him well. So anyway he's coming back and love him

966
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,000
or Adam Subril Matias makes good fights. He's a huge puncher,

967
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,440
and uh, you know, it's a chance for him to

968
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,400
dust himself off. But again, the opponent is not a

969
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,440
top notch guy, but I don't think anybody expect him

970
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,920
to be fighting a super top elite opponent coming off that

971
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,599
kind of loss. Uh. And they have Emmanuel Rodriguez on

972
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:31,599
the undercard in a in a title eliminator abandoned weight

973
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,760
against Jose Salas in the co feature, and then a

974
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,760
bunch of Mexico versus Puerto Rico matchups in the rest

975
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,599
of the undercard. So if you're a Sabrill Matias fan,

976
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,199
you know that should be a fun card. I suppose

977
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,360
here and he's back in action after that loss.

978
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: If you're a Sabrial Matias fan, hopefully he shows up

979
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,880
for this fight. He no show the Liam Parlo fight.

980
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,400
We'll see if he's any better. I two more quick things.

981
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,920
All right, the run is over on can we have

982
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,039
good things? We're not gonna see Terrence Crawford and Sebastian Fundor.

983
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,039
But I didn't really believe we were ever gonna see that, right,

984
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,760
So we're not gonna see that from the WBO standpoint, right.

985
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't. I don't put this

986
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,360
in the in the category of why can't we have

987
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,599
good things? Because A I never believed that Fondora and

988
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,840
Crawford first place number one and number two. While I

989
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,960
certainly would have no objection to the fight whatsoever and

990
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,760
would be perfectly happy and excited to see it, I

991
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,920
don't consider this like a, oh, I must see that.

992
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,920
I'm sorry, you know, it doesn't fall into that category.

993
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,559
But the bottom line is this. Because Fuendor was injured

994
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,800
and out for a little while because of his injuries

995
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,519
from the back in March fight against him Zoo, the

996
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,000
WBO allowed Terrence Crawford to fight for their interim title,

997
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,400
the vacant interim title against Magic Moov, even though he

998
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,639
was also fighting Magimov for Madgemov's WBA full title. Obviously,

999
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,199
Crawford won the fight, became the interim champion, and as

1000
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,840
the WBO, which they're pretty good about doing this if

1001
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
there is an interim champion, they ordered that consolidation fight,

1002
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,000
you know, as soon as possible. So they had ordered

1003
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,559
Crawford and Fondora to meet to get rid of their

1004
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,159
interim championship status that Crawford had won. And so they

1005
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,360
were doing this, They were doing the process where they

1006
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,519
were speaking to each other, and they had given them

1007
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,960
a deadline at some point this week. I think it

1008
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,760
was supposed to be Thursday afternoon, actually at four o'clock

1009
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,880
Eastern time, and if they didn't make a deal, then

1010
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,360
they would schedule the purse fit. But on Wednesday, the

1011
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,119
Crawford people, with full input from an approval by the

1012
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,400
Fondora team, sent the WBO a letter saying, hey, listen,

1013
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,679
you know, Fandora is okay to take an optional defense

1014
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:31,360
and then we can resume our conversations after that defense.

1015
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Even though Sebastian Fandora and his promoter Sam Seluquez, they

1016
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,840
wanted the Crawford fight, but they weren't gonna go crazy

1017
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,519
lose their minds. They're like all right, if he doesn't

1018
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,320
want to fight us right away, we'll do something else.

1019
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,159
And anyway, on Thursday, I spoke to the WBO. They

1020
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,119
told me that they approved that, okay, to give Fondora

1021
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
the optional defense, and he can do that in his

1022
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,639
next fight, but with one caveat the long discussed rumored

1023
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:58,960
fight between Fundora and Errol Spence. While it still potentially

1024
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,559
could happen in the early part of next year, if

1025
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,400
it does happen, it can't be involving the WBO title. Now,

1026
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,840
maybe Fondora can do it anyway because he's also the

1027
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,159
WBC champ, But the WBO made a very clear point, say, listen,

1028
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:12,679
they got nothing against Aerol Spence, but he's been an

1029
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,920
active for over a year. He's coming off a knockout

1030
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,679
loss and a one sided fight in his last fight, and.

1031
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 2: Alone never fought at junior middleway.

1032
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,199
Speaker 1: Well, that's not necessarily an issue for most organizations based

1033
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,159
on the rules, but the reality is it's the length

1034
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,480
of inactivity, it's the way he lost, and frankly, he's

1035
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,679
not ranked by them because he hasn't fought for over

1036
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,480
a year, so he can fight anybody in their top fifteen.

1037
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,400
But it's not going to be against all right, so

1038
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,239
it's for at least it's for the WBO title. I understand.

1039
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: No Fundora Crawford and probably not Fondora Spence unless it's

1040
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,039
not for the WBO belt. Well done by the way,

1041
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Ryan Garcia in the news, still not eligible to fight,

1042
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,440
but now I guess he got a victory outside the ring,

1043
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,199
which is the charges have been dropped for the whole

1044
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,079
vandalism at the hotel in Beverly Hills.

1045
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Right, what's the latest. Yeah, he had a hearing on

1046
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,639
earlier this week on two and although the LA District

1047
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,119
Attorney's office still wanted to go forward with these you

1048
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,039
know well, first of all, to back up in the summer,

1049
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,960
he had been arrested for you know, some kind of

1050
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,559
an incident at the Beverly Hills. What was at the

1051
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:18,519
World World Waldorf Astoria hotel in Beverly Hills, where he

1052
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,760
is accused of fifteen thousand dollars worth of damage to

1053
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,079
the hotel room a big screen TV. They listed all

1054
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:25,639
the things in the in the you know, in the

1055
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,199
in the court when they went through this process, as

1056
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,480
well as a hallway. Anyway, he got arrested. They ended

1057
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,079
up reducing the charge from a felony to a misdemeanor,

1058
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,880
and they had the hearing and and against the district

1059
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,960
attorney's wishes, the judge in the case dismissed it and

1060
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,079
basically was like, look, he doesn't have but they went

1061
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:44,960
through the process. You know, he first of all, it

1062
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:47,960
was based on the fact that Ryan Garcia did make restitution,

1063
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,079
he did repay the money to the damage that was

1064
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,039
that happened. He's not saying it didn't happen. And this

1065
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:56,840
is you know, I know Ryan's a famous name, but

1066
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,559
I think this would happen with a lot of people.

1067
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,880
He had zero history of any kind of criminal back

1068
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,440
priminal convictions, right, So no issue there, made the restitution,

1069
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,920
apologize and the judge let him off with and it

1070
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,199
was down to a misdemeanor, So it wasn't facing like

1071
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,239
any at that point, like you know, huge, huge, like major,

1072
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,880
major jail time, maybe up to a year in county jail.

1073
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,840
And that's if you get convicted and you get sentenced

1074
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,119
to the maximum. So in the scheme of everything, that's

1075
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:25,679
not a huge penalty. And the judge, apparently in a

1076
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,280
very experienced judge, gave him a gave him a real

1077
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,760
stern lecture in the court and told him to hang

1078
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,039
out with better people and don't let everybody be in

1079
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,480
your pocket for your money. He has a top notch

1080
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,760
defense attorney that was there with him and he got

1081
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,280
off on it. And so you know, I hope Brian

1082
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,400
Garcia learns from this incident and is able to get

1083
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,519
passing and with all the stuff, whether it's the drug

1084
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,239
testing situation or his substance abuse issues or whatever the issues,

1085
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,599
the young man has to deal with it, because if

1086
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,159
he can get a shit together, he can be even

1087
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,159
a bigger star in boxing that already is, and maybe

1088
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:58,840
achieve the level of potential that a lot of people

1089
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,480
think he has for him and become a bonafid world champion.

1090
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 2: That two letter word if you said that, if if

1091
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,199
and he's.

1092
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,159
Speaker 1: Still and he's still serving the suspension for the pat

1093
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,440
for the storing and being being su Yes, true.

1094
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: All right, one bit of nostalgia and then we're done.

1095
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:19,639
And that nostalgia you mentioned Chris u Bank Junior coming

1096
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,159
up on this fight card this weekend in Saudi Arabia.

1097
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,199
We are already at the what thirty first anniversary October

1098
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,079
ninth from earlier this week nineteen ninety three was Nigel

1099
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,119
Bin and Chris u Bank with the draw that is

1100
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,199
still being talked about, huge event in the UK and

1101
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,599
there was not a winner that night thirty one years

1102
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,519
ago October nine, nineteen ninety three. We can't emphasize enough

1103
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,559
You and I are nostalgic for the younger fans. This

1104
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,320
was a massive deal when it happened in the UK,

1105
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,239
and these guys.

1106
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Are still revered.

1107
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: The seniors, Nigel Ben, the father of Connor Ben, and

1108
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,159
Chris u Bank Senior are still revered in no small

1109
00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:59,880
part because of their fights, including this fight.

1110
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole reason that Connor Ben against you

1111
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,800
Bank Junior is a thing, quote unquote is because of

1112
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,079
the dads. It's not really nothing to do with individually,

1113
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,119
and not to say they're bad fighters, but that wouldn't

1114
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:12,920
have been like really a fight that the that the

1115
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,840
Brits would have coalesced around because they were they are

1116
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,119
separated by a little bit of weight and it wasn't

1117
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,320
like an obvious fight. But because their fathers are who

1118
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,599
they are, it became a big deal. Obviously. It became

1119
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:26,280
even bigger when the fight was canceled because of Connor

1120
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,639
Ben's fel drug tests, and you know, I suspect eventually,

1121
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,960
trust me, when I've had this, as long as somebody

1122
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,199
doesn't do something stupid, that fight's going to happen eventually,

1123
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,159
And when it does happen, it's gonna be an absolute

1124
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,800
fucking monster. But if you go back to nineteen ninety

1125
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:42,320
when Chris u Bank Senior and Nigel Benn fought for

1126
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,599
the first time, I was not quite as big of

1127
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,079
a deal as the second fight, even though it's still

1128
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,280
a big deal. They fought in Birmingham, England. It was

1129
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,360
a tremendous battle, really outstanding fight, and it was Chris

1130
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,880
I was a Nigel Ben. It was a WBO. This

1131
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,280
is back when the WBO was not worldwide considered like

1132
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,599
a really big deal, but in Britain it was considered

1133
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:04,599
a big deal, which was kind of weird to me,

1134
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,679
but nonetheless anyway, So you had that fight happening for

1135
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:11,639
the wo Middleway title and Chris Ubank knocked Nageo Ben

1136
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,480
out in the ninth round. Fantastic fight, very very close

1137
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,679
and competed up to that moment. The rematch was going

1138
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,239
to obviously take place. They both fought a bunch of

1139
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
fights in between, and finally in memory you want to

1140
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,199
buy an activity. These guys fought a bunch of times

1141
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,360
in between. But when they got the rematch together in

1142
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,800
nineteen ninety three, d the ninety three October ninth, nineteen

1143
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,400
ninety three to be exact. They went to what's called

1144
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,760
the Old Trafford Stadium in Manchester, England, had a crowd of, like,

1145
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,639
you know, forty plus thousand people. Huge deal, massive event,

1146
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:42,920
highly anticipated. In the time frame between their first fight

1147
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,840
and the rematch, each of them had won belts in

1148
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,000
the super middleweight division. Nigeo Ben had become the WBC champion,

1149
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,599
Chris Cubank had held the WBO title, and so it

1150
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,880
was to unify those belts. It was Frank Warren and

1151
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,800
Don King. The first fight was not televised in America.

1152
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,559
It was such a big deal though, that when they

1153
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,920
did the rematch obviously was on. And here's the thing,

1154
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,599
tj in Uk. One of the reasons why the rivalry

1155
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,400
is still revered thirty plus years later is because this

1156
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,880
fight was not darried away on a streaming sapp This

1157
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,400
was not on cable or a premium cable like an

1158
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:18,760
HBO or Showtime. In the UK, this was on free

1159
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,760
live to air Tellivision over THETV. Yeah, maybe at ABC

1160
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,559
or CBS or you know, NBC or Fox. In the

1161
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,679
United States, ITV, which was a big supporter of boxing

1162
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,679
back in the day. I love the theme music to

1163
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
their shows. I can still hear it on my mind anyway,

1164
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,559
live on ITV, and in the United States, where Don

1165
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,599
King was doing a ton of business at that time,

1166
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,239
Showtime had this fight, so it was seen in both countries.

1167
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,239
It was a really big fucking deal. And the fight itself,

1168
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,760
while it wasn't as just grinded out violent, just caveman

1169
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,480
shit like the first fight, was still a really good fight.

1170
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,519
And in the end one fourteen, one thirteen for one guy,

1171
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,559
one fifteen, one thirteen for the other guy, and then

1172
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,360
one jud had it all even, one fourteen to one

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fourteen and it was a draw. And to this day

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it's still is kind of mind bobbling. And they never

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fought for the third time. Considering how big this fight was,

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I don't really know why it didn't happen if there

1177
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was a movement for it happened, because both guys ended

1178
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up fighting quite a number of times after their second fight,

1179
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but it was a huge deal and you combine that

1180
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with the greatness of the first fight, all action. There's

1181
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a reason why these twos got and they all both,

1182
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by the way, had other big fights in their careers

1183
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against other top guys in the UK, but nothing like

1184
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their their rivalry with each other. And they still talk

1185
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about it to this day. And if you never saw it,

1186
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you know they're both fights are in their full entirety

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on YouTube. It can be easily found. I would highly

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recommend if you're looking for something to do and you're

1189
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you know, you're looking for some kind of fight you've

1190
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,559
never seen, you know, YouTube it up, as the kids say,

1191
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,760
and sit back and relax for you know, an hour

1192
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and a half.

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Speaker 2: Those are a couple of classics from those names. And

1194
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again now we're old enough that the suns are involved

1195
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and eventually fighting. Listen, great stuff all the way around here.

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Thank you for a little therapy here in the middle

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of Hurricane Milton aftermath and our cleanup Again. I look

1198
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forward to being with you. I'm saying this positive thinking

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here for the bet US Boxing show coming at one

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Eastern time on Friday.

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Speaker 1: But great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Previewing the read season card in Saudi Arabia for Saturday.

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We heard from Tim Zoo. You got news, you got nostalgia,

1204
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,760
my friend, we got it, we got to, we got there,

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We got the podcast out, and hopefully I have power soon,

1206
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,719
and hopefully the hundred hundreds of thousands of people that

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are in Tampa, Saint Pete, Clearwater, Sarasota, south of US,

1208
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et cetera, that are without power, they get it restored

1209
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and we get back to some normalcy this weekend of cleanup,

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et cetera from Hurricane Milton. But this was good and

1211
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I look forward to seeing you physically on the bet

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US Boxing show coming at one Eastern time on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Off of this, my friend, Yes, sir, and I just

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hope that when we come back and we do our

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recap podcast, now we have a eight memorable historic fight

1216
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,519
you're talking about with better Bevan po Bault, Because if

1217
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,480
it's not that, I'm gonna be so disappointed.

1218
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be a huge letdown, But I think

1219
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the strong likelihood is whatever happened, we're gonna remember it

1220
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and talk about it because it's four built on disputed

1221
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it light heavyweight, great stuff, and the recap podcast obviously

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off the weekend for now, there's Dan Rayphiel. I'm merely

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TJ Reeves follow Subscribe to this podcast feed on Apples, Preak,

1224
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or Spotify. We preview going into the weekends, with recap

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coming off the weekends. You have been listening to the

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Big Fight weekend preview