WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:10.320 To the thunder Buddies podcast where Cail can't hold his 2 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:16.760 composure and I can. We're don't route it, Gil, Episode six, 3 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.079 We're gonna give you some good stuff today. 4 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:20.039 You have a great time. 5 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:22.800 Number one with shout Claudia who fixed our audio issues 6 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:25.239 because Gil, he's been streaming, but he doesn't know what. 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:25.879 A noisegate is. 8 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.120 And you're gonna have a better product and a funny 9 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.480 one too. We're talking about the new kV eight hitting 10 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:33.200 the game, new event drop him. We talk about the 11 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.719 Snail released an actual statement about the anti jeat, no 12 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:41.679 way yup and more. If you had to listen to 13 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.359 the whole thing, because why would I tell you all 14 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:45.280 the things we're gonna talk about, Why would you listen 15 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:45.679 to it? 16 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:47.759 Good to see how you doing, Gil, I'm good. 17 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:48.240 I'm good. 18 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.320 Any motorcycles outside, uh. 19 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.280 No yet you bring it up now? Now they're gonna 20 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:01.560 show up. It's about this time. So I don't know 21 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:02.960 if you guys have noticed, but I like to cut 22 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.280 Rev off during every one of his little intros, and 23 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.159 I tried so hard to hold my composure, and he 24 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.079 looked right at the camera in a way of like 25 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:11.599 I dare you the laught. 26 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:18.359 Okay, braw you audio only listeners, The video really adds 27 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:19.480 an element to the podcast. 28 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.000 Last week we had episode five. 29 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:27.239 We talked about a lot of Reddit rumors and look, 30 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.760 I'm very proud of how we handle it because Gail 31 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.560 said it the best. We're talking about anytime somebody leaves 32 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.319 the company, especially if you've been there a long time, 33 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.599 you can get disgruntled. Now that doesn't mean stuff that 34 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:41.040 that person can say would be necessarily wrong, but always 35 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:42.680 good to take it with a grain of salt. At 36 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.719 the same time, one thing that both Gail and I 37 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:50.000 do like is transparency, and Guidgen shared a little bit 38 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:50.760 of transparent. 39 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.000 Then this big, long post we're not gonna make you'll. 40 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.200 Go through all the dry details. Let's be honest. You're 41 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.760 listening to this podcast. Who wants to read a four 42 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:01.760 thousand word document by anti cheats? You don't, I don't, 43 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:04.799 but we did because we love you. The shortness of it, though, 44 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:08.360 is talking about their Viking anti cheat and how they've 45 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.800 gone through other ones like the Easy anti cheat, which 46 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.280 a lot of you, if you've ever been on Steam, 47 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.159 are very familiar with that one, right, So all these 48 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:17.439 are different tools they've used they've changed what they were 49 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.879 doing back in twenty twenty three, and they even came 50 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.000 out as far as to say and give the fact 51 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.240 that they've had three hundred average band users. 52 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.960 A month, and we get debate, is that a high 53 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.199 number or is it a low number? 54 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:29.879 I mean a game with a you know, one hundred 55 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.199 and fifty thousand people on any given time seems low. 56 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.199 But at the same time, I appreciate them sharing things 57 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.800 of how since twenty twenty four January there's been almost 58 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.719 ten thousand bands, so nice to see that. It still 59 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.960 did not directly discuss some of the things that were 60 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:47.879 brought up about the anti cheat, So if you are 61 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:49.560 looking for that, you're not going to find the article. 62 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:50.240 I'm go ahead and. 63 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.759 Give you a spoiler. Yet no company would come out 64 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.000 and really do that. The all teams in these departments 65 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.439 are freaking out. You're gonna say what. 66 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:00.840 But with all legal. 67 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.560 Aside, it is still nice to see a post addressing 68 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.400 what is clearly a concern in the community. 69 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.479 Even it didn't answer everything, but yeah, there's your catchup work. 70 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:10.759 Gotta what do you think? 71 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:15.080 So if you guys weren't here last week, the allegations 72 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.280 was that the anti cheat were they were illegally acquiring 73 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.400 your files or your personal data or something. So that 74 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:24.680 is kind of the rundown. And yeah, the whole anti 75 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.360 cheat thing, I'm gonna be honest, I saw it come out. 76 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:29.439 I laughed about it a little bit internally because we 77 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.719 just talked about that on the podcast and a big 78 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.080 thing on Reddit. So it was quite clearly them facing 79 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.439 allegations without ever bringing up the allegations. It was very 80 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.919 It was very we run a multimillion dollar business. People 81 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.639 are saying stuff that either is true or isn't true. 82 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.039 We need to face that. So let's just let's just 83 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.400 conveniently come out with the post about how the anti 84 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.639 cheat works and carl it transparency and hope that people 85 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.639 stop alligating or accusing us of things. 86 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.759 So, you know, I don't think the accusations will stop, 87 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.520 but I still I guess, just as the player, I 88 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.879 think it's always good if you're willing to be a 89 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.080 little bit deeper in terms of playing the game. If 90 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.759 you don't care, this deeply completely cool, we got something 91 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:09.520 for you about thirty seconds. But I will say this, 92 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.000 one other thing they added in there is they discussed 93 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.279 player reporting, right, I know a lot of you who 94 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.240 watch this because I know I'm in law of the 95 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.279 war Thunder Facebook groups and man, if you ever want 96 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.800 to just see like it's basically like an award ceremony. 97 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.399 If everybody wants to brag up out every time they 98 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:27.360 got banned, they just post screenshots every day of GUIDs 99 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:31.079 abandoned people. But apparently, again this is what they say. 100 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.720 Every single band that transpires is done manually. There is 101 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.199 no like abusing the anti cheat or abusing the report 102 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.839 system and just saying, hey, we'll get my whole squadron 103 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.519 of one hundred and twenty eight people to report Nightingale TV. 104 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.000 So read it's your own, you know, volition to side 105 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.480 if you agree, disagree whatever. 106 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:48.920 I know. 107 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.879 If you go and google the Viking anti cheat, bing it, 108 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.199 whatever you kids are using these days, not glowing endorsements 109 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.759 will appear. But other than that, I still appreciate a 110 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.279 game company will to come out and say, hey, here's 111 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:01.120 how our process is. 112 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:01.360 Yeah. 113 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:01.800 I like that. 114 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.959 I'm gonna be completely honest. Kind of my job to 115 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.519 know what's going on. I opened that post, saw a 116 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.639 whole bunch of words. I said, that's a lot of words. 117 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:15.120 Too bad, I didn't read them. Well, that's a lot 118 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:15.600 of words. 119 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.920 Too bad, I'm not reading them. 120 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:23.040 I just I don't know it. 121 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:25.360 Yeah, I don't know. But you know what's not a 122 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:26.079 lot of words. 123 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.240 K V eight. 124 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:30.519 That's two letters in a number. 125 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.240 Yeah, good Kelly. Yeah, So, if you guys didn't see, 126 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.639 they just announced today the new event that we're getting 127 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.240 that starts on the sixth, so the day that this 128 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.879 podcast comes out, So you should the pod if you're 129 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.759 listening to this podcast on the day released. The update 130 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.040 is live, the event is live, and spoiler alert. I 131 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.040 don't like it for one specific reason. Not because not 132 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.040 because it's a tank that we pretty much already have. 133 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:01.160 It's it's not that, but it is enough. They're low tier. 134 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.120 I think they said ranked two. Yeah, a ranked two 135 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.040 Russian premium tank. It's a kV series tank. Everyone hates 136 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.959 the kV one, you know how OPI. It feels at 137 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.959 a low tier. Guess what you're gonna get that except 138 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.279 a little bit different. So it's yeah, So if you 139 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.839 guys didn't see, it's gonna be I think it's thirty 140 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.480 thousand mission score. We'll get into that in a minute 141 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.120 on how to do that. The actual event, but it 142 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.720 is AKV eight. The real the real attracting factor of 143 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.399 this Cave eight or this kV is the kV eight 144 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.839 replaces it seventy six millimeter gun. I think it's a 145 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.600 seventy six with a forty five, so it's a smaller 146 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.920 caliber gun. And they add a flame thrower. So it's 147 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.639 been a while. It's been a few years since we 148 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.839 saw a flamethrower tank get added to war Thunder, But 149 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:50.040 now Russia is getting the old kV eight, So we think, Rev, 150 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.000 you're more of a low tier guy than me, more 151 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:52.839 of a ranked two guy. 152 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.720 This puts it in the same realm as the crocodile 153 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.480 for the UK, and I'm gonna let you have the 154 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:01.879 point you want to make because I'm not going to 155 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.959 jump into the other trees. Look, I've said it before. 156 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.000 I like collecting things of the game. I will say 157 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.920 one it's real. That's usually a big thing for me 158 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:12.720 and war Thunder. If it's not real, look at you 159 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.519 so use battleship, I hate you, but I mean this 160 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:16.279 is a real thing. 161 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:17.319 They really used it. 162 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.480 I mean I am always personally a fan of adding 163 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.519 things to low and mid tier. I do believe there's 164 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.040 more to flesh out there. Yeah, I would bring up 165 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:28.680 the point of and you use them a little bit 166 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.279 at higher tiers and men and low tiers. 167 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.480 I don't find flamethrowers to be very effective. 168 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.720 And what I mean by that is you could just 169 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.439 as well run the same h E round and get 170 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.040 a better shot at a better distance than what you 171 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.720 would get from being close enough to use a flamethrower. 172 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.639 I'd also point out that a lot of the lower 173 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.079 mid tier maps are not designed to get you those 174 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.000 close quarters anyway. Yeah, you know, most of the lower 175 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.759 mid tier maps don't have these great, you know, close 176 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.160 quartered like town spaces like you were playing a Vietnam 177 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:57.800 when I was watching. 178 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.800 You're saying, and while that does populate at lower levels. 179 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.279 It's not super common, right, And that map has a 180 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.639 massive town area that can be great for flamethrowers with 181 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:08.240 those little ledges and stuff like that. 182 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.480 Would you run to that a lot necessarily? 183 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.040 So look, I think it's fine, It's I probably have 184 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.680 the same reaction that a lot of people had with 185 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.480 the spitfire. I go, well, there's a bunch of kvs 186 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:23.199 and related items in this VR area already. I'll put 187 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.680 it this way, there's nothing about the kV eight that's 188 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.560 gonna make it dominant at its tier. But if you 189 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.560 like the Russian line, which is already really good, if 190 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.720 you want to have a little bit of a change 191 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.480 in your play style, because everybody knows the Russian ground, 192 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.759 it's pretty much the exact same play style with that VR. 193 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.720 This does change things up a little bit and that's nice. 194 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.679 So that's what I would say about it. Am I excited, No, Am, 195 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:45.480 I gonna go after it. 196 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.320 Yes, Yeah, And what I'll say about the flamethrower tanks 197 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.440 is I think anyone who's ever used them, I think 198 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.679 there's only I think there's only two flamethrower tanks in 199 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.480 the game currently, is the TOE fifty five, which is 200 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.919 the eight to zero Russian Premium, which is a T 201 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.120 fifty five with the retro fitted flamethrower on it. I 202 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.960 think it's pretty good. But yeah, like Rev said, it's 203 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.440 kind of whatever. It's They don't really get kills with 204 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.159 it more than once every couple hours unless you're really 205 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.120 seeking them out. I've gotten a couple of good double 206 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.919 kills here and there on like spas or open top guys, 207 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.000 but it's very situational I will say it doesn't hurt 208 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:21.320 you to have a flamethrower, which is nice usually. So 209 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:27.080 for example, the Churchill Crocodile was the original battle Pass 210 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.600 tank from I forgot the name of the battle Pass, 211 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.039 but there was. That was the one of the AH 212 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.360 one g A one h A. Yeah, the the Vietnam 213 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.399 era attack plane, and it had the Churchill Crocodile, and 214 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.200 it had the Zippo riverboat for America. And you know, 215 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:49.240 the flame throwers are cool, but yeah, in terms of usability, 216 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.600 they're more of a gimmick than anything, as long as 217 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:53.720 they don't hinder you. I think the main issue with 218 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.080 this tank is gonna be the fact that they did 219 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.000 it does it does actually kind of hinder you because 220 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.759 it does replace a gun that you that used to 221 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:07.759 be pretty damn good, even pinning low tier low tier 222 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:10.000 German be like, is. 223 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.480 The what's essentially the second gun if you're using a 224 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.279 T six and similar br you've got that nice one 225 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.879 and you got this little, you know, pea shooter attached 226 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.200 to the side, and now the KVE eight is so 227 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.759 you're gonna have the good armor that the heavy tanks 228 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:24.240 have for Russia, because they do have a really good 229 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:25.000 armor for the era. 230 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:25.480 Yeah. 231 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:27.960 Uh. In terms of weak points, again, I don't have 232 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:28.320 it yet. 233 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.919 I'm going to assume you're gonna have a massive weak 234 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.919 spot on your front plate now though, where your flamethrower is, 235 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.000 which again. 236 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.360 Pretty it's actually andard slash predictable. 237 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.360 It's actually coming out of your mantlet, so it's coming 238 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.720 out of your your actual dirret, which is kind of neat. 239 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.799 It's unlike the church. Yeah, so the crocodile it comes 240 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:46.519 out of your front plate, but this one comes out 241 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.120 of your gun manlant, which is pretty cool. So yeah, 242 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.519 it'll have the survivability of a normal, normal kV series tank, 243 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.720 which is nice. You're just gonna have less firepower and 244 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.480 a very situational flame thrower. You know. Some people like 245 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.000 to use the flame throwers for like visual concealment, because 246 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.759 you could it really kicks up a lot of fire. 247 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.840 But also also depends on what quality you play. If 248 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.960 people have their particle distancy or density turned down, if 249 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.679 they're playing ultra low, then it might not even work. 250 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.080 And as we saw yesterday on my stream, usually the 251 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.840 first time you use a flamethrower, it's gonna damn near crash. 252 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.120 Your game. But once it does that, then you're fine. 253 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.120 But yeah, it got it got me killed yesterday. 254 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:22.840 It's funny. 255 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.879 I made a clip on his channel where his FBS 256 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.159 was between one fifty in the match. 257 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.759 Pretty solid, good job you paid for that big boy ram. 258 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.039 As soon as you tried to access those assets, you 259 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.279 drop down to eighteen fps for that brief second and 260 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:39.559 he died. 261 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.320 Yeah so yeah, so I But to your point, it. 262 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.519 Typically only happens like the first time you try to 263 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:46.879 use it as you booted up the game. 264 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.200 But I run into that. Yeah, it's very annoying. 265 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.080 So yeah, if you get this thing the. 266 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:57.320 Main issue, have you not brought it up yet? Scream it. 267 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.200 I gotta get at least ten minutes into the pods 268 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.879 before we talk shit about Russia again. Okay, My main complaint, 269 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.440 and I think that's everyone's gonna main complaint, isn't gonna 270 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.679 be the uniqueness of this vehicle. It's not going to 271 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.480 be the fact that it's a kV or has a flamethrower. 272 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.480 The main complaint is gonna be the fact that America 273 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:19.399 doesn't freaking get a flamethrower tank and we had you know, 274 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.360 someone might be able to quote me if I'm wrong, 275 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.039 but just quickly going over it, and from my basic knowledge, 276 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.799 we had the largest number of mass produced and put 277 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.000 in the service flamethrower tanks across multiple wars and any 278 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.559 other countries ever had. Every single country in World War 279 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.480 Two had some sort of flamethrower tank. Why is Russia 280 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.960 getting their second flamethrower tank when some countries that use 281 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.879 them way more don't have a single one. And like, 282 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.320 before I get into what America had, because you know 283 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.440 people are going to say, well, I'm America, I'm biased, 284 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.879 Let's talk about other countries. Other countries. Germany had like 285 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:00.399 eight different flamethrower tanks. Italy had the little L three 286 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.320 version with the flamethrower. 287 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.519 You know, hious, that would be so funny. 288 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:11.240 Yeah, it happen like it was exactly like people would 289 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.240 love people love the L three. It's everyone's goofy favorite 290 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.480 stupid little tank. That's the hideous Italian. 291 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.600 Like TikTok scrolls and Instagram reels. 292 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 Have you said, just that thing being goofy, dripping like 293 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.879 a tiger. 294 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.320 I exactly being silly. 295 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.080 Yeah, the flamethrower would actually make that more fun. 296 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.799 Yeah, like what would like, come on, everyone's used a 297 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.799 kV series tank. That's fine. No one loves the kV 298 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:43.320 like they love the L three. Put the flame version 299 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.200 of the L three in. People are gonna love that. 300 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:47.840 Put it on a low BI. I don't know if 301 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.519 that version replaced the main gun with the flame thrower. 302 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.240 Even if it did, put it out a low put 303 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.639 it at reserve. So many people are gonna be driving 304 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.159 around just launching flames at each other like it's the 305 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.919 medieval times. It's gonna be fantastic, like like, that's one example. 306 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.000 You know. Japan, Sorry, go ahead, well you got the 307 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.480 M three, Yeah, the M three US. Yeah, so yeah, that. 308 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.639 Was in the MANTLEAD as well. I mean, I get, yeah, 309 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:12.519 there's options. 310 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:17.080 There's so many options. Japan had a Hago version with 311 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.080 the flamethrower. Like I said, Germany had all loads of 312 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.879 flamethrower tanks. Britain had flamethrower tanks. 313 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:23.360 You know. 314 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.000 Russia did have the kvs. They also had T thirty 315 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.000 four's and the TOE fifty five which is in game, 316 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.320 and they had T twenty six version two, which is 317 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.519 a little bitty T twenty six. They had a flamethrower 318 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.559 as well. The Canadians had a version of the Canadian 319 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.080 Ram that had a flamethrower on it, you know, and 320 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.000 then that's not that's just talking about World War Two. 321 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.200 I mean America also had an M forty eight which 322 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.360 was with the flamethrower, the N forty eight patent. It 323 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.879 was called the M sixty seven zippo, and they had 324 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.639 a version of the M one one three personnel carrier 325 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.679 with the flame thrower. And then the main the main 326 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:57.759 dog is the the Sherman Zippo. There were so many 327 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.480 Sherman zippos out there, and why are they so against 328 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.360 giving America some of their coolest We've talked about this 329 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.879 on on the podcast before, but how they have such 330 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.120 an issue with bringing in cool like like gameplay things 331 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.440 and not giving it to the Sherman that had it 332 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.039 more than anything. A perfect example outside of the flamethrower 333 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.399 is the Sherman with the with the with the bulldozer blade. 334 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.600 Why do we not have a Sherman with the bulldozer 335 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.759 blade either? Like what's happening? Like it's I I try 336 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.480 not to talk about Russian bias, but why are you 337 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:36.039 gonna give a second country their most boring flamethrower tank 338 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.720 when you could give another country their first flamethrower tank, 339 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.279 especially something MEMI like an L three or an M 340 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.600 three Stewart, or just bring the big dog Sherman zippo in, 341 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.960 you know, Like, why are we bringing in the kV eight. 342 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.440 Nobody cares. People are gonna get it because it's an 343 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.600 event and it's a lower tier event and it has 344 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.240 a flamethrower. But come on, it's just a kV Like, 345 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.679 I know, I I hate. I'm with you. 346 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:07.159 I think. 347 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.200 Look, it's a fair criticism, and I'd even go as 348 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.679 far as to say, and if Guy Jin decides to 349 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.080 listen to this, we appreciate you. But I would even 350 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:17.720 say that if you're bringing in a Russian flamethrower, I 351 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.000 personally would have rather had the T thirty four version. Ok. One, 352 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.519 it's because the T thirty four is more versatile and 353 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.879 usable at low ad mid tiers, it's more common, and 354 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.919 maybe that's why they didn't. That actually the same reason 355 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.559 I would argue for giving us the Sherman one, because 356 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.600 how many of the Shermans, with the exception of the 357 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:37.919 Swedish one, are basically all just copy and paste of 358 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.360 each other. Yeah, almost every three point oh four point zero. 359 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:43.559 That era, like, yes, you do it up with the 360 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.360 easy eight. Eventually, you know, you get a little bit 361 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.480 better with the seventy six. Then down the road you'll 362 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.639 get pershings. But there's a lot in that range. In 363 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.159 the very beginning, Gale played this game long enough. Remember 364 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.720 when Shermans are basically it, that was all that you had. 365 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.679 Now y'all got more variety. Please enjoy it if new player. 366 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.559 But when Ground first came out, basically the US three was, hey, 367 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.240 you will be ranked two through ranked four. 368 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:07.640 I guess what you're in a Sherman. 369 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.480 Yes, it's like five thousand different copies of it, So 370 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.559 I would love to see them just hey, you go 371 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:13.440 do something like this. 372 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:19.599 Awesome, But that's almost sound too simplistic, like ask somebody. 373 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:22.200 Like I'm telling you there other options beside the cav 374 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.000 one that would have gotten voted as joint. 375 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.640 I don't know. I'm gonna be honest. Every now and 376 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.880 then when these events come out and it's like, you know, 377 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.039 it's we're not the only people in the world. It's 378 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:38.200 not like Wikipedia is banned, you know at the Guidgen office, 379 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.160 like we're not the only people that can use Wikipedia. 380 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.960 We they have to know that these other flame tow 381 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:49.000 flamethrower tanks exist. Why are they gonna why the cav 382 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.119 Like they have to understand the memes with some of 383 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.119 these other low tier tanks, like the L three flamethrower. 384 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.720 L three would probably be the fan favorite of this 385 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.720 whole year, like it gets because. 386 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.920 It's also running into that issue with I actually appreciate 387 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.240 about war thunders. They do try to be as realistic 388 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:12.559 as you can in a video game that includes everything 389 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:16.279 from Arcade to sim So maybe from a balancing perspective 390 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.079 that al through the flamethrower. 391 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.720 Would be a little bit too ridiculous at low maybe 392 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:20.160 it would. 393 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.519 Maybe they've tested, they went, hey, this thing got thirty kills, 394 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:25.079 five assists, and three caps. 395 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:26.000 It never died. 396 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.519 I don't know, but I will say this, even if 397 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.759 the argument is that that still doesn't change the Sherman argument, 398 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.839 or or the T thirty four argument or any of 399 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.240 these other ones, because we have that already in things 400 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.480 like the Crocodile and now this kV eight. Yeah, So 401 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.039