Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: I'll take one?
Speaker 1: What help?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Cult Rejects. This episode, we got a
Speaker 2: returning guest, somebody that was on for the Cabala series,
Speaker 2: and I'm very very happy to actually just have him
Speaker 2: on as a guest and see what he's into. But
Speaker 2: before we introduced him, Matt got my boy Jin and
Speaker 2: the motherfucker inga with you? And what is going on?
Speaker 3: You? How about you? Sire?
Speaker 1: What is that? Boss? Mister ninety three? It's great to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 4: Obviously, man's one of my I would say he's one
Speaker 4: of my favorite people. I can found all my favorite
Speaker 4: people on my like we'll say my left hand, and
Speaker 4: so he's definitely number one, or at least number two.
Speaker 4: And so I really appreciate Matt and I'm really here
Speaker 4: to support him. But of course we are co hosts
Speaker 4: together on The Gray Lodge. So let me plug that.
Speaker 4: So the True Gray Lodge, the t r V True
Speaker 4: Gray Lodge dot Com. I'd probably fucked it up. I'm sorry, Matt,
Speaker 4: but he built it for us. It's an incredible website.
Speaker 4: It's an archive of all of all of our metamagic.
Speaker 4: So we're like, we do this kind of gonzo gnostic
Speaker 4: radio on Friday nights, and we've been recording it and
Speaker 4: uploading it what Matt has uploading it to YouTube, and
Speaker 4: so you can also check us out on the Gray
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Speaker 4: listen to all the co hosts Matt included on Threshold
Speaker 4: Saints through that same website because all of their episodes
Speaker 4: are there, and so and a lot of the episodes
Speaker 4: that I've recorded with you Nick and with like any
Speaker 4: of the other brothers that have come on, I've also
Speaker 4: put on my feed.
Speaker 1: So you can.
Speaker 4: You know, there's multiple ways. There's there's no not to
Speaker 4: you know, listen to us talk about Medica ball.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much and I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, one thing I didn't want to
Speaker 2: ask the things the spaces. Did you ever release that
Speaker 2: on your podcast.
Speaker 4: Or no, we we could do an audio like like
Speaker 4: record it like just like a feed, or it could
Speaker 4: go online whatever. I mean, it doesn't really matter, but
Speaker 4: we've never done that. But they are on YouTube, so
Speaker 4: people can of course, if they have a YouTube account,
Speaker 4: they can rip them and you know they are audio only,
Speaker 4: but you can see our keno and like the kind
Speaker 4: of art direction, and it does play a role like
Speaker 4: people might not associate it, but at every time we
Speaker 4: make something or make a keynot as Matt would call it,
Speaker 4: or even the titling, it all goes like there's a
Speaker 4: coupleistic reason why it all goes together. So it's part
Speaker 4: of like our greater metamagical project is to sort of
Speaker 4: link what we're talking about with an actual sort of
Speaker 4: sepharatic image.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I highly SUGGECT people to check out your your
Speaker 2: spaces and your podcast. But uh yeah, thank you for
Speaker 2: coming on, Jen, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it too. And let me just shout
Speaker 4: out that I am. I had an episode sorry with
Speaker 4: bed Selena now she dropped Friday and on Elvis, but
Speaker 4: we it's a lot more. It's about like the metaphysics,
Speaker 4: it's about Cabala, It's about astrology, especially asteroids and how
Speaker 4: their Cato likes. So we talk a lot about sort
Speaker 4: of contrac astrology through that frame. And I'm dropping a
Speaker 4: Vadriana episode today no Curses for old Men, So if
Speaker 4: you're interested in hearing me talk about serious Buddhist contra
Speaker 4: for like two hours.
Speaker 1: Uh you can check that out. Thank you guys appreciate.
Speaker 2: That of course, of course. Yeah, and uh yeah, Genjin,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming on, and thanks for
Speaker 2: even introducing me to Matt and finally to the guests themselves.
Speaker 2: We got Matt, what is going on, sir? I mean,
Speaker 2: I've know you've been on the show before and you've
Speaker 2: introduced yourself and let people know what's up. But please,
Speaker 2: you know, if this is the first time people are
Speaker 2: listening to you, let everybody know what your dealer is.
Speaker 2: Plug everything you got, So.
Speaker 3: Let's go. So again, thanks a lot for calling me.
Speaker 3: Was a really fun doing the Kabala series. And obviously
Speaker 3: here with Jin my i'ld say, right side best man.
Speaker 3: So that's uh, we do the power opposites. I'm in
Speaker 3: your left, here in my right. And yeah, we do
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. So first of all, mett Moa,
Speaker 3: you can find me on YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, you
Speaker 3: name it. If I'm not there, send me. I'll try
Speaker 3: to create an account. If it's a social media that
Speaker 3: I'm not there, always add mett Moa nineteen sown here
Speaker 3: as well on the video. And there's also my website,
Speaker 3: which is really cool. I'm gonna show a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff here. So kabala dot com. So k A A
Speaker 3: b a l ah dot com. I'm gonna share it
Speaker 3: and then we can see it. So, okay, kabala, right, Kabala.
Speaker 3: I'll maybe if I can already start creeping it.
Speaker 2: Off there, go for it.
Speaker 3: Awesome. So I think first first thing to clarify is
Speaker 3: that the kabala that I was initiated into and that
Speaker 3: I study and practice it is not necessarily the usual kabala.
Speaker 3: And what do I mean by that is that if
Speaker 3: you search for kabala, you're likely going to, you know,
Speaker 3: find the Jewish, the Harmatic, the whatever. There are many.
Speaker 3: The one that I'm that I was initiated in we
Speaker 3: call it kabala, but it could be called anything. Really,
Speaker 3: the name doesn't matter to an extent. The main idea
Speaker 3: is to have a system that has all initiations, so
Speaker 3: with that system you can explain anything. So for example,
Speaker 3: someone comes. I saw the other day it was like
Speaker 3: a like an supposed to be a numerology map, and
Speaker 3: it's like a circle with twelve things and like two
Speaker 3: triangles and whatever like super complex apparently. But then when
Speaker 3: you again, when you place that thing, which first time
Speaker 3: I was seeing it, I think it was like a
Speaker 3: woman or whatever who created it. When I placed that
Speaker 3: into the system that I use, I can very easily
Speaker 3: understand it. Okay, it's just that, so it's not diminishing stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's just again, if we assume that the universe
Speaker 3: is holographic and made of out of fractals, so everything's
Speaker 3: kind of connected, there must be one system that explains everything.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that I'm referring to. Kabbala not necessarily
Speaker 3: Jewish one, as obviously we also use it, not necessarily
Speaker 3: harmtic one, as we also obviously use it, and so
Speaker 3: on yoga, eaching, unime, it many many different stuff. So
Speaker 3: I guess better than talking, I can show. I'll try
Speaker 3: to share my screen here.
Speaker 2: Well, like how you said that, because even when it
Speaker 2: comes to the gabala, like I'll look at it in
Speaker 2: a hermetic sense, but I also think it shows, like
Speaker 2: I think it literally even shows like light reflection, like
Speaker 2: you're saying, like, there's a lot more to that tree
Speaker 2: that I think most people think exactly Like I can
Speaker 2: look at it as like science to be saw, it's
Speaker 2: your theology or religion or however you want a spirituality.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Matt, just let me go in between you two. First,
Speaker 1: quick second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with everything that both of them said,
Speaker 4: Like the tree is the I'm not a perennialist, but
Speaker 4: we'll just use that word because it's a good referential
Speaker 4: sort of idea. But you can map all religions onto
Speaker 4: the tree. You can map all dialectical decisions onto the tree.
Speaker 4: You can reverse map things from the tree. So the
Speaker 4: tree is the foundational wisdom science. Now, it's like what
Speaker 4: Matt said that it's not the Jewish kabbala, it's not
Speaker 4: Hermetic kabala. It's both, but it's also all the other
Speaker 4: shit too. That's what I think, and I think Matt agrees.
Speaker 4: And this is why we call ourselves meta magicians, because
Speaker 4: it is about fundamentally looking at the tree, but using
Speaker 4: maybe more modern language to talk about some of the
Speaker 4: more profound ideas.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really glad that you just mentioned something.
Speaker 2: And uh, I'm glad you mentioned it kind of like
Speaker 2: with the differences between like Hermetic and even like the Jewish,
Speaker 2: well not did you mention it, but like you did
Speaker 2: mention that there's a difference in my opinion, Well, I'm
Speaker 2: asking you actually in your opinion when it comes to
Speaker 2: occultist and people, I guess in the magical community, which
Speaker 2: kind of kabbala are they normally referring to. So I'll say, like,
Speaker 2: for me, I think it's hermetic, not most people actually
Speaker 2: go just to the Jewish kabala because it's completely different exactly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, first thing to understand is if I said
Speaker 3: that I was initiated into Jewish cabbala, I would be
Speaker 3: lying because in theory you have to be like forty
Speaker 3: years old, and I guess like not married or whatever. Married, Like,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that it must do, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot of shit. I'm not into that. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you want to do it again. Actually my opinion,
Speaker 3: that's just for you to be locked into that system.
Speaker 3: Not saying it's good. That just it's what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, you're locked there now you gotta basically use it. Well,
Speaker 3: I prefer using all the systems so I can learn
Speaker 3: about it, not being initiated into it. It's completely different.
Speaker 3: But I'll say the to keep it like pretty simple.
Speaker 3: What I mean think about Jewish Kabala. We have the
Speaker 3: seven Laws of Noah. I think it's called Noah in English.
Speaker 3: It's basically the Ten Commandments, but like shortened out right.
Speaker 3: So these are moral laws. These are physical like things
Speaker 3: that you need for material life. Okay. And then we
Speaker 3: have the hermetic Kabala, which we have the seven like
Speaker 3: laws for the Kabalium. You know, so the same idea,
Speaker 3: like the word is mental, the law of correspondence whatever.
Speaker 3: So again those are much more let's call it digital, right,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Now, then we have real quick man, I'm sorry, real quick,
Speaker 2: but you mentioned the Kabalion for people that are into
Speaker 2: the Kabala, do you think that book would actually is
Speaker 2: a good compliment to the Kabbala.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's let's see the name Kabbala, Kabalion.
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, no, no, honestly, I think get it.
Speaker 2: If somebody is into helps me exactly.
Speaker 3: There's definitely things. Again, I like reading books from time
Speaker 3: to time, but also when you go deep into the stuff,
Speaker 3: you see that most of them basically talk about the
Speaker 3: same thing. So if you read into the Kabalian, Kai
Speaker 3: Balion or whatever, and you liked it, awesome, there's going
Speaker 3: to be other books that also talk about from the
Speaker 3: same thing, even with like some scientific jargon and so on,
Speaker 3: so kind of Pierre pick here treat. You know, So,
Speaker 3: as I was saying, you have the seven analog ones
Speaker 3: from the Jewish Kabala, the seven digital ones from the
Speaker 3: Hermetic and then you have the fourteen parts of Osiris
Speaker 3: pieces of Osiris that you had back in Egyptian initiation schools.
Speaker 3: So again you can start tracing back all the stuff.
Speaker 3: But basically the main idea is that one's going to
Speaker 3: be more focused on one thing, for example, material life
Speaker 3: and how you can bring spitravel into material life, and
Speaker 3: the other one is the opposite. How can I go
Speaker 3: from mature life to spiritual life and so well. But
Speaker 3: then again it's like the paths in the tree, right,
Speaker 3: So we are seeing now the tree here I'm sharing
Speaker 3: my screen, and we have the left column their life column.
Speaker 3: So it would be the same idea. We have the
Speaker 3: juice cabbala and one of the columns harmatic kabala and
Speaker 3: another one of the columns. But then again you need
Speaker 3: the middle, you need the synthesis of both. So that's
Speaker 3: what I try to always get into how can I
Speaker 3: synthesize this? Or even let's say, if I'm doing an
Speaker 3: astrology map reading for someone, I don't want to give
Speaker 3: them fucking you know, a big wall of text, super mystical,
Speaker 3: and so I'm sure if they want that, I can
Speaker 3: give that as well. But my main point is how
Speaker 3: can I synthesize what you are so that you can
Speaker 3: improve it, so that it can change it, so that
Speaker 3: it can understand it. Like for me, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: if it's a thirty thousand pages book or something. It's
Speaker 3: not like, how how can this help me? You know?
Speaker 3: The point is how can I synthesize this and help
Speaker 3: me and go on with my life? So again, the
Speaker 3: idea with the kabbala here is that it should explain everything.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna try to use it now to explain
Speaker 3: one thing, which is how can we manifest stuff in life?
Speaker 3: And just before I do, we had a comment, so
Speaker 3: somebody asked why going with the ten?
Speaker 2: Going to thank you for much? You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be totally honest with you. I didn't know where the
Speaker 2: twelve came from. I knew I could see eleven, I
Speaker 2: didn't know. I was like, fuck, I'm slipping. I don't
Speaker 2: know there's twelve spheeres exactly.
Speaker 3: So the thing is some of some people, like the
Speaker 3: Jewish Cabbala doesn't necessarily count that, so it would be ten.
Speaker 3: And then they say, like it's a sphere not fear
Speaker 3: or like a digital sphere they say it sometimes again
Speaker 3: it really depends I count it. But if you want
Speaker 3: to go by the default ten, right, we have the
Speaker 3: ten here and not the ying yang which is behind
Speaker 3: the tree. But then they asked, and why not the twelve?
Speaker 3: So again it has more spheres. It's just that it's
Speaker 3: very complex to have the thing here in two D. Right,
Speaker 3: the thing is actually three D. I can show it afterwards.
Speaker 3: But we have also the ein eyeing and so we yeah,
Speaker 3: is just depends how we count it, right, So the
Speaker 3: ten spirit simple to understand? Why ten? First of all?
Speaker 3: Ten fingers? Right, So we have a ten base counting
Speaker 3: system already embedded in our technology. So I think I
Speaker 3: should make this clear already at the beginning as well.
Speaker 3: What Kabbala should explain is the technology of our souls,
Speaker 3: of our body, of the universe. So if we understand
Speaker 3: our body, then again ten fingers for example, then it
Speaker 3: can easily count the spheres. We can even place them
Speaker 3: in the in the tree. So for example cats, there
Speaker 3: would be the right side thumb, then Huan the index
Speaker 3: like right side index and so on, so you can
Speaker 3: like place them in the tree basically. And then again
Speaker 3: that's why you have ten. But then you have other
Speaker 3: ones as well, so it's you have all the numbers. Really,
Speaker 3: it just depends on what's the the counting system that
Speaker 3: you want to use. It's the same with mathematics, right
Speaker 3: you want to use the ten based system or the
Speaker 3: two based system with binary, or the sixteen basic system
Speaker 3: the hexadecimo. Really depends on what you want to do.
Speaker 3: Ten it's usually what we use. Then again, if you
Speaker 3: want to manifest something, so we want to bring something
Speaker 3: into life, we are always going to use the system.
Speaker 3: Whether you like it or not, whether you believe it
Speaker 3: or not, it doesn't matter. Really, you're going to use
Speaker 3: the system and you're going to see why it's even intuitive.
Speaker 3: Like it's not me saying something. I'm not creating something. Again,
Speaker 3: I got initiated into that kind of stuff. I'm just
Speaker 3: speaking about what I studied and what I practice. But
Speaker 3: they're going to see it's very intuitive. So let's get
Speaker 3: an example. Let's say the simple simplest thing I can
Speaker 3: think of. I want to eat something. Okay, I want
Speaker 3: to eat something. How I go about eating something? So
Speaker 3: the first thing is that I want it, So that's
Speaker 3: the first fear at the top here. It should be
Speaker 3: like a crystal. So it's hard to put it into
Speaker 3: like a drowning here, but it should be like a
Speaker 3: crystal kind of thing. And that's the will. So I
Speaker 3: want something. So if I don't want something, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do it. It's as simple as that. If
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: So if something happens, it's because I want it in
Speaker 3: some way, and I can I can go into the
Speaker 3: four words, the elements and someone afterwards. But basically this
Speaker 3: is also the further the way we are from our body,
Speaker 3: which is down here, so we are going to get there.
Speaker 3: This is when the thing gets actually manifested. This is
Speaker 3: just the beginning. So I need I need to want
Speaker 3: something for it to happen. Okay, then let's say I'll
Speaker 3: continue real quick.
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you some questions. If you
Speaker 2: don't mine man, yeah, for sure, you know when it
Speaker 2: comes to you, like even like I guess, working with
Speaker 2: the Cabala, I don't know how you do it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you meditate taro sigils rituals. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you do. But when you do
Speaker 2: look at it and use it as incorporating it into
Speaker 2: your life, you seem it's more of like directed towards
Speaker 2: you and that others Like for me when I use
Speaker 2: the Kabbala, and I was, you know, heavily into using
Speaker 2: the Kabbala ritualistically. Again for me looking at it, that
Speaker 2: it's kind of somewhat to do with science, but more
Speaker 2: of like kind of like my relationship with God and
Speaker 2: how I came even into reality for me when I
Speaker 2: use the Kabbala. And again like listen, everybody, everybody can
Speaker 2: use shit for black magic. I just think that like
Speaker 2: when people think of the Kabbala, they think it's automatically
Speaker 2: like some style of magic that's meant to hurt or
Speaker 2: harm people. And the thing is for most people that
Speaker 2: I know, when it comes to using the Kabbala, it's
Speaker 2: actually doing self work on them. You know, they're dealing
Speaker 2: with their own self. So I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if like kind of like that's my experience and I
Speaker 2: from gin I kind of get that from things he said,
Speaker 2: I would assume you look at it the same way kind.
Speaker 3: Of right, so you can use anything really like if
Speaker 3: you go by the left side column, you're going to
Speaker 3: that again self oriented action. If you go with the
Speaker 3: right side column, you're gonna go with the other like
Speaker 3: the environment action, right, you want to act on other
Speaker 3: things at the end of the day, I'll say, even
Speaker 3: like classifications of white, black, gray, magic, whatever, it's really
Speaker 3: down to morals. Like for example, if I use let's
Speaker 3: think about it this way, if I use magic to
Speaker 3: help someone earn money, like gain a little bit of cash,
Speaker 3: is that white or black magic? What really depends, like
Speaker 3: what's my intent with that. If my intent is to
Speaker 3: have them have a lot of money and then crash
Speaker 3: out because they are not going to be able to
Speaker 3: handle it, then maybe that's black magic. But if my
Speaker 3: intent is to maybe help them. But then sometimes your
Speaker 3: intent is to help people and you actually end up
Speaker 3: not helping them. I can give an example. I was
Speaker 3: doing the driver exam like a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: then it had like there was a roundabout and the
Speaker 3: guy was already in the roundabout. So in theory, I
Speaker 3: should just wait for him and then he'll go. I'll
Speaker 3: go after first.
Speaker 1: But I was there.
Speaker 3: I was like even I was super relaxed. I was stopping.
Speaker 3: I was basically stopped. He saw me and he stopped
Speaker 3: the car as in like hey, you can go, and
Speaker 3: subconsciously I just accepted and went. But that's like it
Speaker 3: fucked me. Okay, I didn't get the driving lass because
Speaker 3: I shouldn't go. So that's the thing he in theory,
Speaker 3: maybe he didn't even think about it. It was just
Speaker 3: kind of like you know, automatic, Yeah, sure, like he
Speaker 3: was slow as well, so he'll stop, I can go,
Speaker 3: so you know what I mean. Uh, that's the that's
Speaker 3: the thing the classification really of even when we talk
Speaker 3: about high magic low magic, like low magic, i'm working
Speaker 3: with the earthstuff. High magic, I'm working with a celestial means.
Speaker 3: But really it's magic, like we're all.
Speaker 2: Guy Black magically fucked you exactly.
Speaker 3: But maybe he was trying to do white magic. You know,
Speaker 3: he was trying to help you.
Speaker 2: Yea a rush that's like no, please go, it's not
Speaker 2: my time. You ever see that, you ever see that
Speaker 2: show on uh on. I think it's on Prime. It
Speaker 2: might be good. Omens, do you ever hear of that show?
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny and it's like it shows the
Speaker 2: gods and stuff, and it shows like how one of
Speaker 2: the angels, like you know, gave humans like a sword
Speaker 2: or something to protect themselves, and it shows how like
Speaker 2: that caused a huge problem in humans.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just funny, how like, oh, you think you're doing
Speaker 2: someone a favor and instead you just taught people how
Speaker 2: to kill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That Like that's what people talk about when
Speaker 3: they say like, oh, I'm doing angelic magic. Right. They're
Speaker 3: very direct. So if you ask them, oh, I don't
Speaker 3: like my job, they're like, okay, I'll just get rid
Speaker 3: of it. Now you're no, you don't have a job. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta be really precise with Again again, let's come
Speaker 3: back to it with what you want. So you've got
Speaker 3: to be really really precise with what you wants, right,
Speaker 3: that's the first step. If you don't have that theory,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter like you're gonna try to do stuff.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. For example, I let's say you're trying
Speaker 3: to look for a job. A lot of people they
Speaker 3: are trying to look for a job, but then they
Speaker 3: don't actually want it. That's the thing they're trying to do.
Speaker 3: They're doing the actions. I'm gonna get into the four elements.
Speaker 3: They're doing the emotions the actions to like they're trying
Speaker 3: to you know, search for listenings listenings and apply for
Speaker 3: it and so on, but they don't actually want it.
Speaker 3: So guess what that will never happen. That will never happen.
Speaker 3: And the moment they switch the flip that, they flip
Speaker 3: the switch and say, oh I actually want it that way, boom,
Speaker 3: give it like two three days. Sometimes like magic is not.
Speaker 3: They don't necessarily have to do virtualistic like you ask me,
Speaker 3: I can do it as well. I like doing some times.
Speaker 3: So if you don't necessarily have to, I can give
Speaker 3: a small technique in the end, but it's at the end.
Speaker 3: It's simple stuff. So kabala. You can use it honestly
Speaker 3: to anything literally literally anything like in the spaces we
Speaker 3: use it to understand movies and music and a lot
Speaker 3: of other stuff. You can use it to in your company.
Speaker 3: You can use it to make more money. You can
Speaker 3: use it to have better relationships. You can use to
Speaker 3: improve yourself. You can use it to again grow spiritually.
Speaker 3: Anything that's the that should be the idea with the system,
Speaker 3: that you can do literally anything with it. Just your
Speaker 3: imagination becomes the limit. And I'm going to get into
Speaker 3: imagination as well. How how important it is. But again,
Speaker 3: real quick step, one second step.
Speaker 2: Real quick. I just want to throw this in there.
Speaker 2: You know, I saw like Freda even say that, uh,
Speaker 2: Freda Vinci saying like he said, you know, when it
Speaker 2: comes to Kabala, it gets confused, and I think there
Speaker 2: was like maybe other comments in there too, or you know,
Speaker 2: somebody saying I don't even know what I want, you know,
Speaker 2: when it comes to the Kabbala, Like even for myself,
Speaker 2: I'm huge into it now. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people know my story. Maybe some
Speaker 2: of the new listeners don't, you know. I was even
Speaker 2: in the OTO for like six years, and I'd say
Speaker 2: it was probably the first year and a half two
Speaker 2: years I was kind of like fucked off Kabala. I
Speaker 2: was like, it sounds silly, it sounds like too much
Speaker 2: to do, blah blah blah. And then like I don't know,
Speaker 2: one day it just caught my attention and I ran
Speaker 2: with it. But like you know, people who seem to
Speaker 2: be confused or maybe intimidated by it, I was the
Speaker 2: same way too, and it's quite different with that now.
Speaker 2: So don't let it seem to you know, seem overwhelming.
Speaker 2: It's you again. I even think again, reading the Kabalion
Speaker 2: with it, or maybe just the certain authors might help
Speaker 2: reading better than others. But I definitely, I'm definitely glad
Speaker 2: I decided to put down the fear and look into
Speaker 2: it because I do think it has actually helped me
Speaker 2: be a better person.
Speaker 3: So so let's think about it this way. If if
Speaker 3: one doesn't know what they want, that's still so that's
Speaker 3: not an impediment because they will want things subconsciously. And
Speaker 3: what do you mean by that? You were born in
Speaker 3: a specific country like city street, with a specific family
Speaker 3: at a specific time, and so and so on, so
Speaker 3: all of that will already since the moment you were born.
Speaker 3: It's going to give you once, for example, the unconscious
Speaker 3: one of getting married, the unconstry just want of getting
Speaker 3: a high prestigious job, the unconscious want of again food.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to need, you don't need
Speaker 3: to to consciously have the desire for food, right, You
Speaker 3: just your body just kind of sends you the signal like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's eat, and then you accept it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But if let's say some people have this problem, they
Speaker 3: don't have the desire to get to go and eat,
Speaker 3: so they get sick for example. So again they have
Speaker 3: a problem already at the first year here, they're never
Speaker 3: going to eat because they don't have the desire for it.
Speaker 3: The one thing, so if you don't have an overall desire,
Speaker 3: try doing the auto aate. Try going into your roots
Speaker 3: and looking back. Okay, what do I like when I
Speaker 3: was a kid that maybe I didn't go for because
Speaker 3: you know, because of family, because of environment, of culture, whatever.
Speaker 3: What did I didn't do because I thought it was
Speaker 3: not possible. So that's a lot of how it happens
Speaker 3: as well. Let's say with the job example, someone would say, oh,
Speaker 3: I want a job, I need a job, okay, but
Speaker 3: then they don't actually specify the type of the job
Speaker 3: they want, or they think that the job they want
Speaker 3: is too hard or too you know, far away from them,
Speaker 3: so they're looking for a job which is not the
Speaker 3: one they actually want. So that's again that's never gonna happen,
Speaker 3: or if it happens, it's gonna be super shit and
Speaker 3: they're gonna quit. So they're gonna find a way to
Speaker 3: not do it, you know. So I'll say you can
Speaker 3: trace back again, you can work with the tree. I'm
Speaker 3: going top down, which I prefer the beginning, and then
Speaker 3: you can go bottom up again and I'll see, I'll
Speaker 3: tell what's the difference. So again we have the one.
Speaker 3: The second step then is the one which is supposed
Speaker 3: to be like irridescent, so it's all colors combined in
Speaker 3: their highest vibration, or it can be just the color
Speaker 3: of the bottom spheres.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: The idea here then is that we have the one
Speaker 3: which was formless energy. It's like there's nothing yet, right,
Speaker 3: it's just just pure energy, there's nothing. It becomes a
Speaker 3: a little bit slower, so a little bit more dense,
Speaker 3: and it becomes light. So what does it mean practically?
Speaker 3: I want to eat? I already have the desire. Can
Speaker 3: I have the image of what I want to eat?
Speaker 3: For example, I follow on eat tackos. I know how
Speaker 3: tacos look, so I can go around and see, oh
Speaker 3: there's a tackle store, and I go there and grab
Speaker 3: a taco. But if I don't know, like I cannot
Speaker 3: see a taco in my head, I don't even know
Speaker 3: where to start. I won't even look for it because
Speaker 3: I don't even know it exists. Right, So for you
Speaker 3: to again, I want to make the I want to
Speaker 3: manufacture a car. I need a blueprint for the car.
Speaker 3: I cannot just manufacture it. I need to make a lamp.
Speaker 3: I need to like the blueprint of the lamp. I
Speaker 3: need some kind of structured image for it to start
Speaker 3: becoming real. The whole process here is basically getting energy
Speaker 3: in its most formless form into dense form that's going
Speaker 3: to come through as we're going to see our imagination,
Speaker 3: our emotion, our feelings, sorry, our thoughts, and our emotions
Speaker 3: slash actions. So here again still super abstract, but we
Speaker 3: need the image in our heads. If you don't have
Speaker 3: the image in your head, or if that image is
Speaker 3: kind of weirded out, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 3: That's where a lot of like self improvement books will
Speaker 3: talk about, oh, you need a vision board. You know,
Speaker 3: you need the vision board of the things you want.
Speaker 3: You need to see yourself already as a successful person
Speaker 3: or whatever. Yeah, because if you don't see it, you're
Speaker 3: never going to get it. Like, you need to be
Speaker 3: able to literally picture it in your head and bonus
Speaker 3: sip here not only the image, but if you can
Speaker 3: get all your senses, like right now, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: most of you watching. If you really try to focus,
Speaker 3: you can imagine, like an apple in my head, in
Speaker 3: my hand, there's an apple here. But then can you
Speaker 3: like grab the apple, can you turn it? Can you
Speaker 3: smell it? Can you taste it? Can you feel like
Speaker 3: the crenchiness if you were to bite it, the sound
Speaker 3: of the thing being bitten, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's not going to be clear if you're doing
Speaker 3: it for the first time, but you can try it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna work. You're gonna depending on let's say, if
Speaker 3: you get a food that you like a lot, you're
Speaker 3: gonna start salivating right just from thinking about it. That's
Speaker 3: the idea. Your brain doesn't really feel the difference you're
Speaker 3: you're imagining it. It's becoming real. So again, I want
Speaker 3: to eat something. I can see it in my head.
Speaker 3: That light becomes a little bit slower, becomes sound. So again,
Speaker 3: in practical terms, this would be when we can explain stuff,
Speaker 3: can you understand it? So again, if I want to eat,
Speaker 3: like I went to let's say China once and then
Speaker 3: there was this super meal that I like a lot,
Speaker 3: so I can see it in my head. It's super good.
Speaker 3: I can even taste in this one, but I can't
Speaker 3: really explain it, like I didn't get the chance to
Speaker 3: get its name, so I cannot really explain what's in there.
Speaker 3: Like let's say a big soup of a lot of stuff,
Speaker 3: I cannot read explain what's in there. If you cannot
Speaker 3: do it, then again you cannot get the thing, like
Speaker 3: I cannot go to Uber Eats and just search for
Speaker 3: it because I don't know what it is. Like I
Speaker 3: can have the image, but I cannot search for it. Right,
Speaker 3: you need the descriptions, let's say, so as we're going
Speaker 3: to see as well. The middle column, so this one,
Speaker 3: the yng yang, the yellow, the purple one, the one here.
Speaker 3: They're always going to be about synthesizing things. The right
Speaker 3: column is always going to be about expanding things, and
Speaker 3: the left column always about contracting, like bringing order from
Speaker 3: bringing order from the chaos. Okay, so these three again
Speaker 3: are the super still abstract. It's just stuff in your head,
Speaker 3: and you can see how that works because if you
Speaker 3: go to YouTube, some of you are watching it through
Speaker 3: YouTube right now. Think about how many seconds do you
Speaker 3: see for ads? It's like five seconds tops most of
Speaker 3: the times, not really that much, but they pay a
Speaker 3: huge amount of cash for that. So why would they
Speaker 3: pay a huge amount of cash just for five seconds
Speaker 3: of your time? Have you seen something again? You start
Speaker 3: seeing it, it already becomes a possibility. If you never
Speaker 3: saw a brand in your life, you don't know it exists,
Speaker 3: it's going to be much less likely that are going
Speaker 3: to buy from them. If you start seeing them and
Speaker 3: they are with the sounds explaining the stuff to you,
Speaker 3: making sure you feel something again, it becomes more real.
Speaker 3: It becomes a bigger possibility that that thing will actually
Speaker 3: that you actually want to buy it or do whatever
Speaker 3: the ad is telling you to do. Right again, as
Speaker 3: we when I come down here, now there's a portal,
Speaker 3: and I say it's a portal because here again it
Speaker 3: was to astract too. You cannot touch it, you know,
Speaker 3: But here's when things start to become a little bit
Speaker 3: more concrete. So this portal, or if you're the ying yang,
Speaker 3: would be when we express things so for example, easiest
Speaker 3: way just get paper pencil and write it down for example,
Speaker 3: or draw it, or dance or again talk about it,
Speaker 3: or go into an app and press the buttons. Just
Speaker 3: express it again. You're bringing it from the abstract desire
Speaker 3: kind of form boards into actual reality here now, so
Speaker 3: expressing it again can be anyway. If I'm gonna eat something,
Speaker 3: that could be the again the going to uber eats
Speaker 3: and you know, pressing some much as oh I really
Speaker 3: want this one. Okay, as that go, we have we
Speaker 3: are now with the blues here right here, this is
Speaker 3: where we should we We're probably again expanding things, so
Speaker 3: we are going to see all the good things about
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. So if I'm going to eat something,
Speaker 3: well it's probably gonna be tasty or it's gonna be
Speaker 3: healthy for me. Again, there's gonna be there has to
Speaker 3: be qualities for it, otherwise you're not gonna do it,
Speaker 3: Like would you eat rocks? And I guess one person
Speaker 3: my rocks are saying, I don't know, maybe they liked it,
Speaker 3: but most people wouldn't like the idea of eating rocks.
Speaker 3: Like why you know, there's no point so it already
Speaker 3: gets blocked here and you don't go for it. So
Speaker 3: this is again where all the good feelings about the
Speaker 3: thing that you need come, and they should be as
Speaker 3: hard as like, as big as ash, as hard as
Speaker 3: possible for the things to come more powerful, more powerfully too.
Speaker 3: So again expanding, as we expand it here we now
Speaker 3: need to contract. So the reds here is going to
Speaker 3: be more less the opposite, so you are going to
Speaker 3: see all the let's say negative sides or the discipline
Speaker 3: that you need to get that thing. Like I want
Speaker 3: to eat that thing, but it's it costs money. You
Speaker 3: cannot just grab it, you know, the thing that you're
Speaker 3: trying to eat. Maybe it's going to require you. If
Speaker 3: it's like a fast food kind of thing that you
Speaker 3: really like, it's going to fuck up your health. So
Speaker 3: again it's like supposed to there must be some discipline.
Speaker 3: Another example, if you want to get apps like huge apps, right,
Speaker 3: you need to work for it. There's no thing without
Speaker 3: the action that the discipline. This would be for eximple mars.
Speaker 3: So again the action we are in a Mars thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So again good feelings not necessarily the best feelings. And
Speaker 3: the thing about this is prob is that again it
Speaker 3: has to come into synthesis. So if you have if
Speaker 3: there are so many cons to the thing that you're
Speaker 3: trying to do, maybe don't do it. You know, Let's
Speaker 3: say you're thinking about, I don't know, quitting your job,
Speaker 3: and then you see, oh, yeah, but I won't have
Speaker 3: money for this. I'll have this trouble, that trouble, I'll
Speaker 3: have the Okay, maybe don't do it right now, Maybe
Speaker 3: think about another way off again, as we're going to
Speaker 3: come down here to the yellows here, how can I
Speaker 3: balance that? How can I make sure the pros and
Speaker 3: cons are balanced? How can I make sure that the
Speaker 3: thing that I'm doing is beautiful, it is harmonized. This
Speaker 3: is the most This is the fear that sits at
Speaker 3: the center. As you can see, most fears connect to it.
Speaker 3: It would be the sun and the strology, if you
Speaker 3: want to make the correspondence. So again, it's where we
Speaker 3: make sure things is like very nicely done. And if
Speaker 3: it's not beautiful, if it's not harmonized, again, you probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't do it. It's not going to be a nice experience.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now we went through the top heers again wanting
Speaker 3: being able to see it, having the image in your
Speaker 3: head with the most senses being able to explain it.
Speaker 3: So again, light becoming sound, being able to explain it,
Speaker 3: expressing it through most simple way, paper and a pencil,
Speaker 3: just writing it down. That's where all of the again
Speaker 3: the self help book to talk about. Oh keep you know,
Speaker 3: writing your intentions down and so on. They're working with
Speaker 3: that sphere. Cool, you have others herees to work with
Speaker 3: as well. Then we get into the feelings. So how
Speaker 3: good what are the good feelings the good things that
Speaker 3: you are going to get from the thing, whether than
Speaker 3: maybe not so good feelings. That the discipline you need
Speaker 3: to get that thing going? Then again, how can I
Speaker 3: harmonize both and make sure that thing is beautiful and nice?
Speaker 3: Cool the next year? The green one right here is
Speaker 3: where a lot of people fail. So here you're supposed
Speaker 3: to control your emotions. You're supposed to achieve victory through silence.
Speaker 3: Shut up about it, man, If you want a new job,
Speaker 3: don't go telling people that you're going to go for
Speaker 3: the new job. Like most people, to be honest, they
Speaker 3: don't really care, even if they are close to you,
Speaker 3: like family, friends as want, they don't really really care
Speaker 3: about stuff. Or if they do. They have their own
Speaker 3: limitations that now because you shared, they're going to interact
Speaker 3: with the thing. So pretty simple. Example, you're a kid
Speaker 3: and then you say, oh, I want to be a
Speaker 3: rock star when I grow up, and you say it
Speaker 3: out loud, right to other people, your dad is going
Speaker 3: to be like god, you know, shut up. Just go
Speaker 3: working on a farm or whatever, go work in an office.
Speaker 3: It's like, again, it's not that he's gonna he's going
Speaker 3: against you necessarily, but it's just he doesn't have the
Speaker 3: same vision that you have. You already have the one.
Speaker 3: You can see your stuff as a rock star, you
Speaker 3: can understand it. You have all the good feelings, you
Speaker 3: know the discipline, and when it comes to here you
Speaker 3: talk to your that for example, about it. He projects
Speaker 3: his own insecurities or his own limitations into you. And
Speaker 3: now most people will get like turned off and say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right. I'm going to do some other stuff and
Speaker 3: you're not going to manifest it. So again, shut up, man,
Speaker 3: nobody needs to know. After you do it. Sure share,
Speaker 3: you know, it's cool, it's cool to share. This would
Speaker 3: be the blues here, you know, share the good feelings
Speaker 3: with other people. But as you're going through stuff trying
Speaker 3: to keep it to yourself. You really don't earn anything,
Speaker 3: like you don't need the validation that you're supposed to
Speaker 3: be getting, like the dopamine that you're getting from talking
Speaker 3: to people. What you're going to do, it's not worth
Speaker 3: it because then you're not going to do the thing,
Speaker 3: So just keep it to yourself. Again, this is the
Speaker 3: emotional control. Then we will go to the left side
Speaker 3: here to the orange here, and that would be the
Speaker 3: rational control. So this is where we're going to the
Speaker 3: last connection of thoughts, making sure everything's tidy up. An
Speaker 3: example would be having a contract, like contracts are being
Speaker 3: made here. Okay, so you can make this for yourself.
Speaker 3: If you're trying to manifest something, you can like grab
Speaker 3: a piece of paper, go through each of the spheares
Speaker 3: as I was talking about, and then when you come
Speaker 3: down here you literally write a contract with yourself and
Speaker 3: let's say the universe or God or whatever you believe,
Speaker 3: and then write it down exactly, very precisely what you want.
Speaker 3: This is again the rational control. The last like reasoning
Speaker 3: is about the things that you need and one, as always,
Speaker 3: we need to synthesize stuff. So emotional control, rational control.
Speaker 3: When we get to the purpose here. Also, a lot
Speaker 3: of people fail here because this is where we should
Speaker 3: see the foundation of what you're trying to build. When
Speaker 3: we bring it to yourself, it's like, do I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm worthy of doing that? Again, if I don't
Speaker 3: feel that I'm worthy, you're not going to get it
Speaker 3: because you're going to sabotage. If you want to, you know,
Speaker 3: have a ten k ten k a month business, but
Speaker 3: you don't feel like you're worthy, you're not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to invoice people because you're not gonna do it,
Speaker 3: or you're gonna do it, and then you're gonna think,
Speaker 3: but it's not the thing, and then the guy's like
Speaker 3: gonna pay half and you're gonna say, oh, it's okay,
Speaker 3: and so no, man, if you feel like you're worthy,
Speaker 3: you're not like no questions asked, Yeah, sure, I'll invoice
Speaker 3: ten k tiny k doesn't matter. Again, if you don't
Speaker 3: feel like you're worthy, you're not going to go after
Speaker 3: that that chick or man or whatever that you want,
Speaker 3: because again, it don't feel like you're worthy. You see
Speaker 3: yourself like, oh no, I'm not worth that thing. So
Speaker 3: you're not gonna do it. You don't see you don't
Speaker 3: you don't feel the foundation required for the thing.
Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting, And I'll even put this
Speaker 2: out there, you'll throw it all myself. I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit how it makes me sound. These even stuff
Speaker 2: like in my personal life, things that have gone on
Speaker 2: that has actually made it almost paralyzing for me to
Speaker 2: even do the podcast because of I guess, like my
Speaker 2: own shit going on my own head or my own
Speaker 2: self worth. I was just like, I can't even fucking
Speaker 2: show my face podcasting, as crazy as it sounds, but
Speaker 2: I see what you're getting at. It is I have
Speaker 2: had my own self worth or even just my own
Speaker 2: idea of self and just shit going on inside my
Speaker 2: head that will make me doubt and stop doing other
Speaker 2: things possibly. I mean, obviously the show is still going,
Speaker 2: so I haven't allowed it to do that. But that's
Speaker 2: a good thing about being an alchemist. You can take
Speaker 2: you know, hate, fear and other emotions and turn it
Speaker 2: into something instant, which will be which is podcasts for me.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I'm just gonna sneak in again, but I
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 4: I just want to echo what Nick said, like Matt
Speaker 4: knows that I've done this like I will have had
Speaker 4: my own trials and tribulations where I self doubted, and
Speaker 4: it is it is is up the skill. It's to
Speaker 4: the skill of the magician. It's up to you to
Speaker 4: change it, it's up to you to transform it, and
Speaker 4: it's up to you to alchemize it. So if Matt
Speaker 4: is really good at that, he's given me a lot
Speaker 4: of good tools to sort of just think about in
Speaker 4: simple frameworks, like very simple.
Speaker 1: I just you know, just ways of thinking, just.
Speaker 4: Ways of thinking. So I just want to say that
Speaker 4: that I don't think it's an uncommon experience. People you know,
Speaker 4: put their own clipless.
Speaker 3: Before themselves exactly as I look. Man, I can give
Speaker 3: an example. So I was helping this like through a
Speaker 3: friend of mine that they were helping already, this woman
Speaker 3: trying to get some money because she fucked up some
Speaker 3: stuff and so wan she wanted the money, and then
Speaker 3: she hired them to make magic to get the money.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So again, if you're hiring someone to make magic to
Speaker 3: get money, you expect the thing to come to you magically,
Speaker 3: I would assume. But then she sent a voice clip
Speaker 3: to them saying, yeah, but you know, money doesn't come
Speaker 3: from trees or like money doesn't come from the air,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you're a magician, Like that's supposed to
Speaker 3: be the point that it comes from the air, it
Speaker 3: comes from whatever. You're not gonna expect it. But if
Speaker 3: she already used that way that it's not going to
Speaker 3: come easy, then guess what it's not going to come like,
Speaker 3: she's not going to do the things required for the
Speaker 3: thing to come. And what things imagination, thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain them in more detail, but that's it.
Speaker 3: So if you do feel the worthy, if the thing
Speaker 3: has a foundation, so for example, in a company, this
Speaker 3: would be where you do the Q and A the
Speaker 3: Q and a no, sorry, the QA. So the quality assurance,
Speaker 3: so basically making sure, okay, the thing is like tidy up,
Speaker 3: can I can package it? It's ready to be packaged. Okay.
Speaker 3: When that's done, you get into the end of the rainbow,
Speaker 3: the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Speaker 3: So that's here, the last one with the four callers.
Speaker 3: That would be the thing actually being materialized. As you
Speaker 3: saw again, it started as this kind of ethereal kind
Speaker 3: of you know, abstract thing it's just in my head,
Speaker 3: and then it comes down as feelings, thoughts, and then
Speaker 3: emotions like things emotion. When they say emotion, think about
Speaker 3: your body when the thing actually comes into your cells
Speaker 3: and you start doing things. So the actions again emotion.
Speaker 3: The thing is in motion, you're doing stuff, so as
Speaker 3: it came down here, the thing is done. That's it.
Speaker 3: One thing that we humans struggle with is that we
Speaker 3: need the evidence of things.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So if let's say, you can imagine the whole situation
Speaker 3: coming together, but it's not there yet, Like if I
Speaker 3: can imagine thirty million dollars in my bank account or something,
Speaker 3: but it's not there yet. If I go and open
Speaker 3: my bank account that it's not going to be there,
Speaker 3: well again you start dialing, you start creating problems here
Speaker 3: in this year the purple one. But the thing is
Speaker 3: things come before there's evidence. That's just how it goes.
Speaker 3: It's and it's always like that, you know. So if again,
Speaker 3: if you want to eat something, you don't eat the
Speaker 3: thing until you're eating it, but you're already having the things,
Speaker 3: You're already making everything for it to happen before it's there.
Speaker 3: Only when you actually go and eat that thing's there,
Speaker 3: but you don't stop. For example, I don't go to uber,
Speaker 3: I ask for the thing, and then I keep thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, Oh is it coming? Is it coming? Like
Speaker 3: it's gonna come? Or if I cook something, right, I'm
Speaker 3: cooking it. I'm not gonna be expecting Oh is it
Speaker 3: gonna be ready? Like, yeah, it's gonna be ready. Ye,
Speaker 3: at some point it's gonna be ready. Just wait, you know, relax.
Speaker 3: So that's the point here. The it may seem, oh,
Speaker 3: it's so abstracting one, but when you actually stop to
Speaker 3: think about you are doing this constantly. Again, doesn't matter
Speaker 3: if you like it or not, if you believe it
Speaker 3: or not. We are doing this, sometimes not necessarily in
Speaker 3: this order, which is also why not necessarily comes in
Speaker 3: the best way, to be honest. But it's just where
Speaker 3: it goes. So that's the top down, that's how we
Speaker 3: materialize things. I can explain how the bottom up, which
Speaker 3: would be how can we get let's say, how can
Speaker 3: we become masters into things? And I guess that would
Speaker 3: help the people saying that they don't know exactly what
Speaker 3: they want, because we start again from the bottom. So
Speaker 3: you don't need to want something. You start from the
Speaker 3: actions that you're taking, unless they can origin have something
Speaker 3: to think otherwise.
Speaker 1: It can go on. Oh continue, sir, I have a
Speaker 1: quick question. I have a question for you, Matt.
Speaker 4: So I know you gave your example of like manifesting
Speaker 4: something to eat from desire, So, in your opinion, is
Speaker 4: the sort of cause of formation you can call it desire?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: Or if I'm wrong you can correct me. I'm asking you, like,
Speaker 4: is desire sort of the thing that roots us into
Speaker 4: the material world?
Speaker 3: I would say will instead of desire, But it's hard
Speaker 3: to differentiate them, right, I'll say that the will is
Speaker 3: sometimes something that is even above us. When you say desire,
Speaker 3: I think of like the body, you know, the body
Speaker 3: wanting something, and that can be true as well, But
Speaker 3: the will would be something bigger because that's the thing
Speaker 3: as well, magic ball and so on. It in theory
Speaker 3: it works for anything. I mean not in theory it
Speaker 3: works for anything. But sometimes you gotta remember that you're
Speaker 3: not the only one creating things. So imagine if you
Speaker 3: want to go always green in the like the red lights,
Speaker 3: you know, the stoplights, you want yours to be always green. Well,
Speaker 3: guess what the guys from the other side also wants
Speaker 3: it always to be green. So if you all go
Speaker 3: like at some point one of you will be read,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get crash. So we gotta understand there's like
Speaker 3: time into things, and sometimes you're again supposed to be
Speaker 3: the will right the highest want. I guess yes, because
Speaker 3: then it's not necessarily about the character. It's not about
Speaker 3: what Matt wants, about what Gin wants. Sometimes it's about
Speaker 3: what the whole thing wants. That's why again, when you
Speaker 3: see all those movies promoting an agenda or like Politician whatever,
Speaker 3: anyone promoting something, they need to promote it because they
Speaker 3: need people to even if it's just subconsciously want that thing,
Speaker 3: people don't want it not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Huge. One thing I do want to add in it
Speaker 2: was something you were saying before, Matt, and I kind
Speaker 2: of lost the reason why I wanted to bring it up.
Speaker 2: I think it was like kind of like saying that,
Speaker 2: like it's almost like you have to know something exists
Speaker 2: to even entertain it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: I even feel like, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: get too far off, but like sometimes people in my opinion,
Speaker 2: like if you don't know something exists, you can't even
Speaker 2: identify as it like you have to be given the
Speaker 2: option or given the idea to even take it on.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying very much like what you're
Speaker 3: saying here exactly. So it's like, for example, AI, we're
Speaker 3: seeing it right now to do like as a public general,
Speaker 3: everyone knows about it. But if you look back, there
Speaker 3: were movies back in the nineties. I guess I don't
Speaker 3: know about the eighties, but like back in the nineties
Speaker 3: there was already movies about this kind of stuff. So
Speaker 3: it has to be already and uh like people's minds,
Speaker 3: otherwise it doesn't come or something to sorry go on, no,
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead. I was gonna say for something
Speaker 3: to come as we solve right here. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of steps. So for example, it needs funding. People need
Speaker 3: to pay for stuff. That's a lot of time. It's
Speaker 3: going to be here or here. So if people don't
Speaker 3: don't even know something exists, they cannot pay for it.
Speaker 3: If people don't know something exists, they cannot talk about it,
Speaker 3: they cannot share it, they cannot you know. So they
Speaker 3: need to to know, they need to know about it.
Speaker 3: They need to think that it's good for them or
Speaker 3: good for the environment, whatever they need to think it's
Speaker 3: good for someone. So so there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: things that play into it. But if they don't know it,
Speaker 3: it's never gonna come. So as it goes, I'll say,
Speaker 3: then that's why we need to be very aware of
Speaker 3: what we want, especially when we get to understand how
Speaker 3: powerful we are. You know, I guess that's why there
Speaker 3: is like I'm not the type of person to say, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, society everyone should be like anarchists whatever, there's
Speaker 3: there should be no morals that everyone does whatever they want.
Speaker 3: I guess if that's the case, the world is just
Speaker 3: was just gonna explode like in a second. You know,
Speaker 3: there must be some kind of like let's say ward
Speaker 3: rails just so understand perfect so you get to understand
Speaker 3: how it goes, or even think about time. Time prevents
Speaker 3: us from getting getting the things instantly. So in theory,
Speaker 3: I could use kabala to manifest like a bar of
Speaker 3: gold in my hand right here, like right now, like
Speaker 3: two bar of gold appears. But then imagine if that's
Speaker 3: the thing. Also, if I have like an everybody has
Speaker 3: that if they say they don't they're lying. Has those
Speaker 3: kind of weird thoughts that come sometimes, like you're driving
Speaker 3: and like, oh what if I you know, go in
Speaker 3: like and run over that person, or like, you know,
Speaker 3: some crazy stuff that you don't know where it comes from.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying exactly. So imagine if you had.
Speaker 2: That drive down south and kill a few people exactly like, it.
Speaker 3: Would be crazy. So it's good that we have time.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people like to shit on
Speaker 3: Saturn colonels, which would be the black one here. But
Speaker 3: he's cool, man, he helps us, you know, So again,
Speaker 3: know what you want, be aware, be aware, and go
Speaker 3: I'd say, very good exercises going back to your roots,
Speaker 3: you know, going back to who you are or who
Speaker 3: you think you are, who your family is, your country,
Speaker 3: like the things that created you basically, and you're going
Speaker 3: to see a lot of stuff like oh okay, that's
Speaker 3: why I think that way. I can give an example,
Speaker 3: right for some reason, now I understand it, but before
Speaker 3: I didn't. For some reason. I remember being like thirteen
Speaker 3: or or twelve or something and thinking to myself, man,
Speaker 3: I want I'd never want to work at an office job.
Speaker 3: I can never want to work in an office job,
Speaker 3: like twelve. At the moment, I didn't necessarily know from
Speaker 3: where that came, and even like till much later, like
Speaker 3: when I was nineteen twenty or whatever. But then I
Speaker 3: rewatched The Matrix a couple of years ago, and then
Speaker 3: I realized, like it came to me because I was
Speaker 3: thinking about it, right, I was trying to get the answer,
Speaker 3: it came to me. Like in The Matrix Neo, so
Speaker 3: the protagonist is basically working at an office job and
Speaker 3: like he's being chased and swanning. He has to get
Speaker 3: out of the Matrix, and so it's all about again
Speaker 3: the hero's journey he's going through and where he starts.
Speaker 3: The the problem place is the the office. So I
Speaker 3: kind of just had it in my head and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: what the fuck like? And then I can decide if
Speaker 3: that's a good thing for me to wonder or not,
Speaker 3: because then I realized, Okay, it's not necessarily that bad
Speaker 3: if you can play around it, if you can play
Speaker 3: around all the politics stuff, and it's good, it's okay,
Speaker 3: you know. So again, if I may continue here, I
Speaker 3: can go from the bottom up.
Speaker 2: Go for it.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say one really quick thing.
Speaker 1: I'm apologize.
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to, but I just want to say
Speaker 4: thank you for saying that, Matt, because I think it's
Speaker 4: a very very important distinction.
Speaker 1: Will and desire.
Speaker 4: They are not the same thing, and it's often something
Speaker 4: that we you and I discussed and obviously the rest
Speaker 4: of us all discuss when we do the show.
Speaker 1: But it's a really important distinction.
Speaker 4: And I wish someone had told me at twenty or whatever,
Speaker 4: seventeen use magic number, but there is actually a difference,
Speaker 4: and it's a fundamental difference, and it's really important to
Speaker 4: like in yourself, in yourself able to distinguish the two
Speaker 4: because only one's going to carry you forward and the
Speaker 4: other one is going to hinder or obstincally you you.
Speaker 2: Know, you totally with you Jin and you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's a loop that too many magicians get into
Speaker 2: to where when they're doing shadow work, do you think
Speaker 2: they're doing their will, but they're actually just feeding lust.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: So you need a clear communication with your whatever you're
Speaker 3: going to call it, a holy angel like greater Self,
Speaker 3: higher Self, what everyone called, doesn't matter the name. You
Speaker 3: need a clear communication otherwise, yeah, they're just gonna do
Speaker 3: stupid shit and think you're you're the divice. So okay,
Speaker 3: if we go from the bottom up, what's the idea,
Speaker 3: the idea that you start here? You're in the mundane world.
Speaker 3: Let's say you want to try to learn to play violin. Okay,
Speaker 3: you're here. You don't know nothing. You're just a general
Speaker 3: dude or a girl. You know nothing.
Speaker 1: You're here.
Speaker 3: First thing you need to do. If're gonna learn something,
Speaker 3: you're gonna become a master in something. So you need
Speaker 3: to understand or sorry, not understand. You need to check
Speaker 3: out many different masters. That's the moon here. You're going
Speaker 3: to see the reflection of what you like, which is
Speaker 3: going to be top top here. I'm going to get
Speaker 3: to it in other people. What do I mean by that? Again,
Speaker 3: that's suppose you want to learn the violin. You're gonna
Speaker 3: look for the first guy and they're gonna say, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I kind of like them, I didn't like that much.
Speaker 3: And then you're going to see another guy. Oh, this
Speaker 3: one definitely like the way the style he plays. Then
Speaker 3: you're going to see another one is going to be
Speaker 3: that's crazy, I want to play like that dude. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to you know, see many different masters
Speaker 3: some would say one hundred and eight for example, you'd
Speaker 3: see many different people doing the thing that you want
Speaker 3: to do as well, and then you're going to understand, oh,
Speaker 3: this is more or less what I like what I
Speaker 3: don't like in swan. That's the first step. Second step
Speaker 3: is going to be the technical learning, like the technical
Speaker 3: bits of let's say you want to play the violin.
Speaker 3: You want to you have to learn about music theory.
Speaker 3: You have to learn how to actually pick up the thing,
Speaker 3: and like what each card does, and watch what each
Speaker 3: chard is and so on. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: technical titbits that you need to learn first before you
Speaker 3: start to practice. So again, this would be the green sphere. Actually,
Speaker 3: let me really quickly. I think I have an image
Speaker 3: which with the labels it would be even easier to
Speaker 3: explain this process.
Speaker 2: One second, Jan, have you ever seen I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's like a real thing or if it's like
Speaker 2: some fan fiction thing, but there is like some jet
Speaker 2: I think it's japan animation character Cold Netsuck and it's
Speaker 2: a chick and she wears all green.
Speaker 4: Look, there are so many Matt has heard me, and
Speaker 4: I've heard Matt discussed this as well, but Matt has
Speaker 4: heard me discuss this many many times, not the specific example,
Speaker 4: but just the amount of kamala or couple lot in
Speaker 4: animation's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I wish I like this stuff more. I cover it
Speaker 2: more because there is tons of shit in there.
Speaker 4: And they use a lot of gnostic ideas like very
Speaker 4: yeah kind of oto or like Kenneth Grand style narcissism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. The people tend to look at that stuff.
Speaker 4: As if the Mongakas or the whomever are not agential
Speaker 4: in their kind of will and mind. Those people are
Speaker 4: reading things like whether they're reading like an in production
Speaker 4: to Taro and they're just like drawing sort of the
Speaker 4: Kabbalistic themes because it's all there. It's all there in
Speaker 4: the images. So if someone is like maybe open in
Speaker 4: their consciousness, they could probably get it just from Taro.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 4: I don't even think Crowley or anyone else would disagree
Speaker 4: with me. I think that the more profound understanding, though,
Speaker 4: is like as what that said, it comes true like
Speaker 4: that kind of like tradition, like kind of past long
Speaker 4: term initiation. So I think that that's where that would lack,
Speaker 4: but I think that you're applying it to a broader idea.
Speaker 4: So a lot of people in Japan actually know certain
Speaker 4: kinds of Buddhist meditation. That doesn't mean they all do it,
Speaker 4: but they have Buddhist ideas. I've called it cultural dharma before,
Speaker 4: where it's just kind of embedded in everything. So in
Speaker 4: a society like that, yeah, I think potentially you could
Speaker 4: say that people are able to access more of the
Speaker 4: maybe not the deepest layer, but maybe the inner teaching
Speaker 4: layer of the sufferer very easily.
Speaker 1: And so it comes out of course.
Speaker 4: Because art, writing, and magic, those are all the same thing,
Speaker 4: and they correlate to each other like one to one,
Speaker 4: so you know, so I think it's all there. And
Speaker 4: I think Sailorman's a great example. I think there's a
Speaker 4: miracle girl tena card captor Sakra. I mean she captures
Speaker 4: seventy two of the cards and they're all you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're called the cloud cards, and she has this
Speaker 4: little demon who looks like a lion, and I mean,
Speaker 4: it's all there. It's all there, like they know, they
Speaker 4: know it's all hermoneutics anyways, So I'm sorry, I apologize, Matt,
Speaker 4: And it's a very exciting and a fruitful conversation, and.
Speaker 1: I know Matt can take it from here exactly. No,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: That's that's how I see it as well. Even on music,
Speaker 3: like a lot of times if you pay attention to
Speaker 3: the lyrics, what they're talking about, or how they present themselves.
Speaker 3: Like I go to concerts often, and I like going
Speaker 3: to them a lot because they play with everything. They
Speaker 3: play with the sounds, the just sure's the lights and
Speaker 3: you know, all the involvement of the crowd and so
Speaker 3: and so. There's a lot of stuff. And yeah, it's
Speaker 3: all there. I mean, that's the thing. If you believe
Speaker 3: it or not, if you want it or not, if
Speaker 3: you like it or not, that's how it goes. I cannot,
Speaker 3: like I try sometimes to, you know, try to get
Speaker 3: out of the system and say like, oh I cannot,
Speaker 3: I cannot seek about here. But it's it's greater than me,
Speaker 3: you know, I can see it. It's right there. It's obvious,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's so funny. And yeah with Enemy
Speaker 3: especially like there's from the top of my head, there's Evangelion,
Speaker 3: with the they show thee there there is Full Metal
Speaker 3: Alchemists there's black Clover, that is Naruto, there's dragon Ball,
Speaker 3: there is like one piece, there's like all of them.
Speaker 3: Really you start to see all of them kind of
Speaker 3: have If it's not that's the thing. If it's not
Speaker 3: the full system that they are showing, they're showing part
Speaker 3: of the system. And that's what at least the initiation
Speaker 3: that I got into try to do, like if you're
Speaker 3: not if you're if you see a system and you
Speaker 3: use the that tree of life that I was showing
Speaker 3: to try to understand it. Maybe that system is not
Speaker 3: going to be complete, maybe it's going to be you know,
Speaker 3: two three spheres or something, but it's going to be there.
Speaker 3: It has to be there, and that's how it goes.
Speaker 3: So as we are going up, like I was saying,
Speaker 3: first you're down here, you know, you're in your body
Speaker 3: and you want to do something. Okay, then you need
Speaker 3: to kind of perceive. You need a perception and to
Speaker 3: perceive how do I like that guy to that other guy?
Speaker 3: Like you need examples. Again, you cannot do something from uh,
Speaker 3: from nothing, like if you don't have it in your head.
Speaker 3: I used to remember when I first started learning how
Speaker 3: to code, that I had this thing where I thought
Speaker 3: to myself, Oh, I won't like copy someone else's code
Speaker 3: and so on. But then I realized, Man, if I
Speaker 3: don't copy, I don't know how to do like I
Speaker 3: never did it. How can I come up, you know,
Speaker 3: from from my brain? I need some kind of example,
Speaker 3: don't then example example doesn't necessarily have to be in
Speaker 3: a serial life, Like you can actually go places one,
Speaker 3: but you need to see from somewhere. You need to
Speaker 3: get from somewhere, kind of mirrored.
Speaker 1: In the blueprints.
Speaker 4: I think Nick has talked about this before, like the
Speaker 4: blueprints are so important, and you've talked about this too.
Speaker 1: Matt, and so, yeah, you need to have the architecture.
Speaker 4: I know we talk about freemasons sometimes it's not so
Speaker 4: much anymore, but you know, it's an interesting idea that
Speaker 4: like they have the ability to build it because they
Speaker 4: are builders, or at least they think of themselves as
Speaker 4: the builders. And if you think of it yourself as something,
Speaker 4: perhaps you can become that thing exactly.
Speaker 3: So actually it's a very nice example the Freemasons that
Speaker 3: can share this very quickly. So one way to understand
Speaker 3: it is also again the chakra system obviously has to
Speaker 3: be here as well. In dependent on which checker system
Speaker 3: that you're using. I'm going to use the one to
Speaker 3: the most general one that a lot of people know,
Speaker 3: the seven to one seventh checker one based on as well.
Speaker 3: So for example, you can place the chakras on the tree, which,
Speaker 3: if we remember, the tree is supposed to be also
Speaker 3: our body. So this is the crown, our head, our shoulders,
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. This is our feet
Speaker 3: or our little hole, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so basically it's it's our body. So as you
Speaker 3: understand it this way, you can place the chakras by
Speaker 3: their position. So for example, this would be the root chakra,
Speaker 3: then you go into the sacral chakra and so on,
Speaker 3: like it goes up or by the collars, so root chakra,
Speaker 3: sacred chakra, solar plexus chakra, hard chakra, throat through chakra yes,
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Now talking about the Masons,
Speaker 3: we have the contacts and the square right, so we
Speaker 3: have the three on top, three chakras on top, which
Speaker 3: are gonna create the image again. They're gonna draw the
Speaker 3: image again. They're gonna draw the image, and the square
Speaker 3: in the bottom is going to adjust that to make
Speaker 3: sure it comes again. It's kind of just that kind
Speaker 3: of being ordered the thing to make sure it comes.
Speaker 3: And then the g in the middle. You're geometrizing that
Speaker 3: you're you're creating that you're there's like the geometry behind it.
Speaker 3: When while I'm speaking to you guys, there's a geometry
Speaker 3: on the frequency of the sound that I'm speaking. That's
Speaker 3: why you can sing beautifully or you can sing not
Speaker 3: in tune. Like there's a whole geometry behind the thing.
Speaker 3: If you learn music theory, you're going to see that
Speaker 3: the good notes, that the notes that when played together
Speaker 3: they sound good, they have a geometry between them. Good
Speaker 3: colors they have a geometry between them. That's why again
Speaker 3: the even the colors in the tree, they are not
Speaker 3: by occasion. There's a whole geometry in this thing, and
Speaker 3: it works in all those ways. So again it's it's everywhere.
Speaker 2: I just love it.
Speaker 3: It's so cool. So I'll come to the going bottom up.
Speaker 3: So we are aware, we have seen some examples. We
Speaker 3: studied technically about it, as I was talking about, then
Speaker 3: becomes the practice. So it doesn't matter. You can study
Speaker 3: how to ride a bicycle all your life. If you
Speaker 3: don't get sit into a bicycle and try it. You're
Speaker 3: not going to know how to do it. You're not
Speaker 3: going to become good at it. Okay, And if someone
Speaker 3: goes and they're kind of good or ready, cool for them.
Speaker 3: But to become a master, to become really someone that
Speaker 3: will be remembered as the best bicycle driver ever, you
Speaker 3: need practice. You need to practice. There's no way. So again, Oh,
Speaker 3: I want to learn something, but it doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: I'm getting into it. How many times are you practicing it?
Speaker 3: How nicely are you practicing it? Like are you practicing
Speaker 3: for so many hours? But then you're not really practicing
Speaker 3: the correct things. For example, if I'm trying to play
Speaker 3: the guitar, what exactly are you practicing or just strumming
Speaker 3: around like you know, So you need again to study
Speaker 3: them practice cool as we go up, you need to
Speaker 3: understand what makes you unique into that thing. And that's why,
Speaker 3: as I was talking about, I'm going to go back
Speaker 3: to the with the colors, this is the moon. It
Speaker 3: only has the reflection of the sun. The sun is you.
Speaker 3: You're the center of the sphere. So this would be
Speaker 3: where you understand. Oh, for example, if I'm going to
Speaker 3: play the guitar. That's the type of guitar playing that
Speaker 3: I want to have. It's maybe flamenco with like the
Speaker 3: the fingers I forgot how to how's the name for that?
Speaker 3: Or I want to strum it like like a metal
Speaker 3: head and what like, doesn't matter. What's the style that
Speaker 3: you were going to have which makes you unique, like
Speaker 3: when people think about, oh, what does that guy do?
Speaker 3: It's very specific. Otherwise, again, you're not going to become
Speaker 3: a master. You're just some other dude. Per check as
Speaker 3: we continue going, Now that you can achieve and by
Speaker 3: the way, this is where you would become like a
Speaker 3: black belt in something which, as you can see, is
Speaker 3: not the and as far from the ends. That's just
Speaker 3: the beginning. Actually, that's when you actually enter the thing
Speaker 3: for real. Like before that, it's just kind of filtering
Speaker 3: out the people that are likely not going to finish it.
Speaker 3: But here it's like, okay, this guy already put put
Speaker 3: some time into that thing, so he's getting it. Now.
Speaker 3: What you need again, discipline. You need to do that
Speaker 3: thing over and over and over for years and years
Speaker 3: and years and years. Otherwise it doesn't come like that's
Speaker 3: to be honest, Before I learned all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I used to think to myself, especially with coding, like oh,
Speaker 3: why do they ask for so many years of experience
Speaker 3: in one But now I understand because sometimes you can
Speaker 3: be good technically. Again, you can have studied a bit
Speaker 3: and practice is one. But if you don't have the
Speaker 3: discipline when you know should go through the fan, you
Speaker 3: need someone that knows their thing. You need someone with experience,
Speaker 3: and experience comes with time. That's just how it goes.
Speaker 3: Doesn't necessarily mean that the time of your character is
Speaker 3: the whole time. And here, yes I'm talking about multiple
Speaker 3: lives and shit, so yes, your skill can be older
Speaker 3: than that. But anyways, this character also needs time to
Speaker 3: develop their stuff. Okay, especially if you don't have connection
Speaker 3: with the best lives, So it doesn't really matter what
Speaker 3: you did. If you don't have a connection with that
Speaker 3: cool discipline, then here the labels love cool. That's how
Speaker 3: you can explain it as well. Another way to explain
Speaker 3: it is when you start sharing it again. Now you
Speaker 3: need to expand. So you learned you discipline, like you
Speaker 3: you practice for so much, Now you need to share
Speaker 3: it with other people. That's the point, Like you don't
Speaker 3: just learn and become good, just for you to become
Speaker 3: good also because by sharing, you are getting better as well,
Speaker 3: Like I've been able to grow a lot, for example, encoding,
Speaker 3: just because I taught people and not because I'm good necessarily,
Speaker 3: just because well, if I practice a little bit and
Speaker 3: the person didn't practice nothing, I can help them get,
Speaker 3: you know, closer, and if afterwards they go farther than me,
Speaker 3: perfect for them, good for them. I actually would like
Speaker 3: that go as far as well as you can. But
Speaker 3: the I gear here is that when you share, you
Speaker 3: are clashing the perceptions, You're clashing the points of view,
Speaker 3: and then you may learn something because maybe the person
Speaker 3: doesn't understands the way that you're explaining so you need
Speaker 3: to find another way, or because they come up with
Speaker 3: another way to understand it, and you get something from
Speaker 3: that as well. So again it's all about the sharing.
Speaker 3: After you did everything to this point, you hear they're
Speaker 3: calling it contemplation, That would basically be again when you're
Speaker 3: like super old or writing the thing. So think about
Speaker 3: like like an ancient person are writing the thing. So
Speaker 3: this again, I'm talking years and years and years. It's
Speaker 3: going to be like the almost the top dog and
Speaker 3: the thing that are trying to practice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So these three I'm not going to get super into them,
Speaker 3: but basically they are when you are already becoming a
Speaker 3: master and the kind of stuff that you're doing, so
Speaker 3: when you're gonna be known for that, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's the guy who does violent guitar whatever. It is
Speaker 3: like you really became like an example for others even
Speaker 3: because just how good you are. Okay, and again, as
Speaker 3: you can see, we can play with the three I'm
Speaker 3: gonna share now another version of three D version just
Speaker 3: to get into it as well. But basically you can play.
Speaker 3: You can go top bottom, you can go bottom up,
Speaker 3: you can go from the sides like the echeing for example,
Speaker 3: we have three there's like the trigrams. You have three
Speaker 3: of them. Again, you have three columns. Just get the
Speaker 3: tree and put it like this. Cool, you have each.
Speaker 3: You can play with the trigrams, you know it can
Speaker 3: either connect them or separate them, it doesn't matter. You
Speaker 3: can play around the stat structure. And I guess in
Speaker 3: general that should already give a lot of room for
Speaker 3: you guys to play with it. There's one thing I
Speaker 3: would like to explain, then, maybe we can go through
Speaker 3: some questions or or I don't know, I can just
Speaker 3: go continue reaching. So the last thing that I want
Speaker 3: to explain here is the idea of the four elements.
Speaker 3: So I already kind of talked about them in no way.
Speaker 3: So the four elements would be the fire, the imagination,
Speaker 3: the will, so they are the same fire, imagination, and will,
Speaker 3: water the feelings. So it's it's nicer to see it
Speaker 3: in Portuguese. Or I think there is the same word
Speaker 3: in English, but it's you don't use it often like sentiment.
Speaker 3: I guess it's it's a word in English as well,
Speaker 3: But anyways, in Portuguese is stinkchy mint, which would be
Speaker 3: thing which is feeling, and mental, which is the mind,
Speaker 3: mine mind, So it's you're feeling it with your mind.
Speaker 3: So again you have the image of it. You can
Speaker 3: feel it with all the five senses, the most senses
Speaker 3: in their best quality as you can. That's that's water.
Speaker 3: Air would be the thoughts behind it, so again you
Speaker 3: can reason about it, you can understand it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: you can explain it, and so and so on, so
Speaker 3: the thoughts about it. And then finally earth, which is emotion,
Speaker 3: so you're putting all those things that you're imagining, thinking about,
Speaker 3: feeling and one into motion, okay, And that's how you
Speaker 3: create anything. That's how you create anything when that energy
Speaker 3: comes from your imagination into your feelings, into your reasonings
Speaker 3: and one and then to the cells of your body.
Speaker 3: Like your body literally will start talking. That's the goal
Speaker 3: of the stomach a lot of times. So it's gonna
Speaker 3: talk to all the cells, like, hey, dudes, the masters
Speaker 3: is talking to do this, Like he's talking for you
Speaker 3: to drink waters. Go and drink water. He's talking to
Speaker 3: you to go to the gymp. Go to the gymp.
Speaker 3: It's like you're talking to each other, you know, all
Speaker 3: the cells. So that's the idea. You get something imagined,
Speaker 3: you add all the senses to it, you add your
Speaker 3: reasoning to it, you make it work nicely. There's logic
Speaker 3: to the thing. It comes as an emotion, so you
Speaker 3: actually go and do things eventually, and if you think
Speaker 3: about it. That's there's the other way around as well.
Speaker 3: So when you are you know, scrolling acts and then
Speaker 3: you see some news that says about, you know, some
Speaker 3: some bad stuff going on, it already hits you on
Speaker 3: your emotion already hits you in your body, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's not good, and then you start having thoughts and
Speaker 3: feelings about it, like, man, no, that's not good. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know indeed, and I was seeing an expert.
Speaker 3: Now it seems like in the US there's some bas
Speaker 3: going on with the garnment or whatever. It's like, guys
Speaker 3: are not working or whatever. You see that you're not
Speaker 3: related to that. It's literally not gonna affect your life
Speaker 3: in a way any way possible. But you see that,
Speaker 3: then you think it's gonna affect your life. You start
Speaker 3: feeling about it. Then you start having imaginations about how
Speaker 3: that's gonna, you know, tuck your life over and so
Speaker 3: and so on. That's it. They just coballed you into
Speaker 3: thinking that just because you saw it, and you pad
Speaker 3: into whatever the thing on XPOS is telling you to
Speaker 3: be fed into. So again, it goes both ways. And
Speaker 3: if you don't understand, if you're not aware, you're not
Speaker 3: you know, alert, paying attention, you're just gonna get kabalaed
Speaker 3: by people, over and over and over and over on
Speaker 3: relationships at work, by your family, by the media, by everyone. Really,
Speaker 3: like it's not that they are out to get you,
Speaker 3: it's just how the game works. Like, as I'm talking here,
Speaker 3: I'm combaling. Let's say I'm creating a new verb here.
Speaker 3: I'm combaling everyone that's listening, unless they're saying, I know
Speaker 3: this guy's bullshit. Okay, that's cool as well, like good
Speaker 3: for you. That's the idea. We we talk and we understand.
Speaker 3: I'm not the owner of the truth. I'm just sharing
Speaker 3: what works for me, and that's the idea. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe we have some questions. I was not
Speaker 3: checking the chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody has any questions, let me know, typeing in
Speaker 2: the chat and I'll throw it up.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: One thing I did want to say before, and I
Speaker 2: think I just didn't want to interrupt. You know, you
Speaker 2: were talking about Tarot, and I saw people talking about
Speaker 2: Tarot on the chat too. Taro and the Kabbala. You know,
Speaker 2: it's funny how I had mentioned earlier that you know,
Speaker 2: it took me a while to even get into the kabbala,
Speaker 2: and same thing for the Taro. There was probably I've
Speaker 2: probably sat into Hoodi lodges, you know, the oto to
Speaker 2: Hoodi's lodge. I sat on that couch and looked at
Speaker 2: that fucking picture of the tree with the tarot on
Speaker 2: it a hundred times before I actually was like, huh,
Speaker 2: maybe I should look at it like that. And when
Speaker 2: I started to get into Kabbala, I had taken that
Speaker 2: approach because I really I was fascinated by taro. But
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't fucking get it. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even get when these people read
Speaker 2: through their tarot readings, I'm like, where the fuck did
Speaker 2: they just get all that fucking shit from? Like that,
Speaker 2: where is this coming from? So when I started to
Speaker 2: align it with the Kabbala and started to try to
Speaker 2: like learn Kabbala and then look at tarot based on
Speaker 2: the ideas of Caabala, certain things started popping for me
Speaker 2: and make it more sense. So I saw people talking
Speaker 2: about both. For me, yeah, when I try to incorporate
Speaker 2: them both, it seemed to open up a little bit
Speaker 2: more ideas.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about it. So tarot, right, I'd say,
Speaker 3: it's uh, first of all, let's be cure here. I
Speaker 3: have a tarot deck. It holds no power by itself.
Speaker 3: By itself, it means nothing I can even grab like
Speaker 3: another piece of paper here, and it's going to be
Speaker 3: just as powerful as those cards because the one behind
Speaker 3: them is the one creating the thing. So I was
Speaker 3: showing here while you are speaking. We have the paths right,
Speaker 3: there's the tree here. That's like a three D version.
Speaker 3: We have the paths. For example, from the first here
Speaker 3: to the second one, we have this path and you
Speaker 3: can associate a tarrot card with it. Yeah, I'm doing
Speaker 3: the maje here. Some people say it's the full. First
Speaker 3: of all, it doesn't matter. You can make any connections.
Speaker 3: You can put the moon here, you can put the Emperor,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. The point is you're creating a story.
Speaker 3: So the first one that you put here is going
Speaker 3: to be you in that story. So if you start
Speaker 3: with the Magician, you would have the power, as it's
Speaker 3: written here, to create stuff. That's what the Magician does,
Speaker 3: creates things. If you start with the Fool, you're kind
Speaker 3: of just fulling around, you know, trying to understand and
Speaker 3: so on, and you get kind of you can become
Speaker 3: literally crazy while learning all this stuff. Again, do what
Speaker 3: you will, however you want. That's just the system that
Speaker 3: I was initiated and the one I prefer. But the
Speaker 3: idea here is that the cards they're going to help
Speaker 3: understand what's supposed to be the passage of the energy.
Speaker 3: So here we have the thing condensed. So again, as
Speaker 3: I said, the first the first fear is like the
Speaker 3: will and so on. Okay, but how does the will
Speaker 3: become the image the vision of the thing, Well, it
Speaker 3: comes through this path. So literally energy comes through this path,
Speaker 3: becomes light, and then we can explain that through the
Speaker 3: tarot card. It's going to be easier for me to
Speaker 3: explain to you by giving you an image. For example,
Speaker 3: this guy right here, and the same with the one
Speaker 3: that is being shown on the screen, but online camera.
Speaker 3: As we can see here, I have another deck. We
Speaker 3: have the magician. He's doing his symbol here connecting the
Speaker 3: skies with the earth. So he's connecting the digital and
Speaker 3: the analogue. He has the four elements as I was saying,
Speaker 3: he has the fire here with the forgot what's the
Speaker 3: name of this in English, with this mar the fire here,
Speaker 3: the water with the cup, the sword which is air,
Speaker 3: and then the pentacle the money which is earth. So
Speaker 3: again he has the four elements that he uses to control.
Speaker 3: As I was talking about your imagination, feelings, thoughts, emotions,
Speaker 3: so so on. He's using that to connect the skies
Speaker 3: with the earth, the abstract with the grounded, the material,
Speaker 3: the material. So when I when I have the image,
Speaker 3: it's much easier to explain then to say, like try
Speaker 3: to explain it through text or make you meditate. That's
Speaker 3: another way. It's well, make you meditate into the into
Speaker 3: the specific letter that is connected to it, and make
Speaker 3: you arrive into that. That's cool as well. That's how
Speaker 3: the Egyptians and the Greeks used to do, you know,
Speaker 3: through theater. Through drama. You make a drama about a
Speaker 3: guy getting his wings made and then being told not
Speaker 3: go to too close to the sun, and then he
Speaker 3: goes anyway and he falls nye. It's like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 3: I should, you know, listen to my elder sometimes maybe
Speaker 3: I should not have my egos. So I like, you'll
Speaker 3: learn about it through the story.
Speaker 4: So that's what Sorry, Matt, I just want to interrupt
Speaker 4: you really quick. I want to do a little joke
Speaker 4: for the branch. So you were talking about drama and
Speaker 4: dramaturgy and taumaturgy, right, Like the words sounds so similar,
Speaker 4: right because it is. It's part of the same like
Speaker 4: hermeneutic to like bring things into expression, like you're saying anyways,
Speaker 4: I'm just I wanted to say that lodge Dad joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love those throw from Joshua, especially on the
Speaker 3: the chatter was on another podcast was left in my ass.
Speaker 3: But anyways, so that's the idea. These are the stories. Okay.
Speaker 3: Someone asked, sky is analog and Earth is digital. It's
Speaker 3: usually the other way around because the sky you cannot
Speaker 3: really touch, right the constellations, the planets there, they're there,
Speaker 3: but are they really there? Like you cannot really you know,
Speaker 3: touch them. But Earth is here. Earth you can attuch,
Speaker 3: you can feel. So okay, So so then how does
Speaker 3: helps me? First of all, it helps as I was saying,
Speaker 3: with the explanations. So now I can understand. Okay, there
Speaker 3: are factors just like there are the spheres. There are
Speaker 3: how the energy moves through the spheres. And if I
Speaker 3: understand that, then I can believe with that. For example,
Speaker 3: I'll give a very very clear one we have here,
Speaker 3: the justice card. Okay, So what the justice card teaches
Speaker 3: us is to be just with yourself, to be just
Speaker 3: with orders. It's the true justice. Because when we don't
Speaker 3: understand that, then what we do we let people get
Speaker 3: over us and like do stuff to us that we
Speaker 3: don't like and so on, and we just kind of
Speaker 3: let it be and so and so on. So they
Speaker 3: are kind of like facets to life, and they are
Speaker 3: also energies. So it's it's everything. So there are things
Speaker 3: that we can do personally with orders. There are things
Speaker 3: that just make reality come forward. So another way that
Speaker 3: I can explain it if I open it on another tab.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, I'm going to open the Magician here,
Speaker 3: so you can make a lot of connection strict For example,
Speaker 3: this is the same path, the one from the crown,
Speaker 3: the first one to the second one, and you can
Speaker 3: see here on the website. There's like other stuff that
Speaker 3: you can connect to. There's like the letters or what
Speaker 3: it should do, or there's like something a description like
Speaker 3: that's the wisdom of the crown, like the wisdom of
Speaker 3: your head and one, so you can start playing with those. Now,
Speaker 3: when we use tarot for a reading, what's happening is
Speaker 3: you're getting a snapshot off your consciousness. So in truth,
Speaker 3: any card that comes will tell something about you or
Speaker 3: your situation. That's just how it goes. It doesn't matter
Speaker 3: really which card comes. It's funny though, that a lot
Speaker 3: of times cards are very specific. But that's just a coincidence,
Speaker 3: some would say. But the point is the cards themselves. Again,
Speaker 3: they don't have power. But as you start seeing the cards,
Speaker 3: you start to understand the story that you're going through,
Speaker 3: You start to make the connections. And if the person
Speaker 3: reading the terror to you is good, they're gonna help
Speaker 3: you get there. So the point is for you to
Speaker 3: get there, like the person doing the reading, and they're
Speaker 3: not necessarily supposed to be giving you like, oh, you
Speaker 3: should be doing this, and that is that's how I
Speaker 3: see it, Like it's a synthesis of both of what
Speaker 3: the person is saying and what you're getting. So you
Speaker 3: could say, in a way, this podcast is like a
Speaker 3: tarrot reading. So I don't I don't need the cards.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you about something. I'm using one of these.
Speaker 3: It's like imagine in my head, i'm doing this, I'm
Speaker 3: this guy right now, and then maybe I talk something else,
Speaker 3: and then now I'm this guy, and then my consciousness
Speaker 3: goes something out somewhere else, and then now I'm this
Speaker 3: guy and it goes like changing. You can understand reality
Speaker 3: as like a series of images going like like in
Speaker 3: a video, like a video it's a lot of images
Speaker 3: going very rapidly. It's not like a video, it's not
Speaker 3: a thing. It's like a lot of images going very rapidly.
Speaker 3: So you can think of reality the same way. It's
Speaker 3: like a lot of terrot cards coming like Okay, now
Speaker 3: it's this one. Okay, now it's that one, and now's
Speaker 3: the other one. But then sometimes we get stuck into
Speaker 3: this one and then life is like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 3: going forward because you're trying to use like you're in
Speaker 3: a like a fighting game and you're using the same punch,
Speaker 3: the same punch, and then the game's okay, this guy
Speaker 3: just uses that punch. Let me get him through like
Speaker 3: a like a slide or something, and then you don't
Speaker 3: realize that you're still trying to do the punch and
Speaker 3: the game is like, bro, something else we caught you
Speaker 3: on that, you know, So again, I'm gonna learn to
Speaker 3: use all the facets. So through that lens, then Terroot
Speaker 3: is not the only thing that you can use for divination.
Speaker 3: You can get answers through literally anything, like you can
Speaker 3: ask yourself something and then maybe it comes directly to you.
Speaker 3: Maybe you see it on like a car car's plate,
Speaker 3: like a license plate. Maybe you're listening to music as
Speaker 3: you're thinking about it, and then the lyrics kind of
Speaker 3: answer you again. The tweeter feed answers you. Somebody messages
Speaker 3: you just as you thought about it, Like that someone
Speaker 3: commented I was speaking about the ads and then the
Speaker 3: guy got the ads. Like you know, you can make
Speaker 3: the conne ashes. Just try to ground yourself sometimes as well,
Speaker 3: to make sure what you're doing is actually helpful, like
Speaker 3: it's actually giving you something. Otherwise you just become again
Speaker 3: the fool. We have it on the arrot, right, the fool.
Speaker 3: You become the fool. You're like, ooh, I don't under
Speaker 3: said anything. Oh no, it's too crazy, So like, okay,
Speaker 3: stop breathe. That's why it's like it's good to have
Speaker 3: some kind of experience. I understand the idea of the
Speaker 3: Jewish guys saying, oh, you only have to learn kabab
Speaker 3: after forty years, Like I get it, you kind of
Speaker 3: need some experience. But at the same time, no, sometimes
Speaker 3: it's just how it goes. You learn it earlier and
Speaker 3: that's it it works. So I think, does it does
Speaker 3: it answer you? Nick? And I guess the other people
Speaker 3: which we're talking about the tarrot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, I think that was great. I
Speaker 2: also would just like throw in and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: like you guys are kind of well you were kind
Speaker 2: of saying, oh, maybe the same thing. I do think
Speaker 2: like you get a story in there too, you know.
Speaker 2: With using the paths, I think you kind of will
Speaker 2: see maybe the hero's journey in a sense going on.
Speaker 2: I think you see the changes within. It's interesting if
Speaker 2: you look at it this way, if you look at
Speaker 2: the tree, and this is how I've been saying, I
Speaker 2: think Tarot is too, and even the gods, there's only
Speaker 2: two paths and it just keeps on basically like just
Speaker 2: changing originally. So you know, I think the male and
Speaker 2: the female that you see in that is just those
Speaker 2: two energies. It's the same. It's just changing throughout its
Speaker 2: timeline or its journey, you know. And I think you
Speaker 2: can see that done well if you put the tarot
Speaker 2: with the cabalistic tree.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Again, if we think about as I was saying,
Speaker 3: the images, the tarrot gives you the images for us
Speaker 3: to understand more easily the whole tree, Like that's that
Speaker 3: should be the point. And I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: The hero's journey, Like there are other types, Like there's
Speaker 3: the Hercules story as well, right with the twelve he
Speaker 3: goes to the twelve different places and this stuff. There's
Speaker 3: like other journeys. Let's say that's the idea we are living.
Speaker 3: We are a living story. So you get to decide
Speaker 3: what character you're playing, like what actions are going to
Speaker 3: take where you are in the story. For example, if
Speaker 3: we are it, I was showing the major cards right there,
Speaker 3: the paths, but if we want to talk about the
Speaker 3: minor cards, they're going to be the spheres. So if
Speaker 3: I go to like, I'm going to go to yes
Speaker 3: for example. So yes, So it is the purpose here,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be all the nines. So every
Speaker 3: time you get a nine of whatever, nine of ones,
Speaker 3: nine of cups, nine of whatever, your consciousness is in yes, sod,
Speaker 3: And then it's in one of the elements. It's either
Speaker 3: the foundation of your feelings if it's water, the foundation
Speaker 3: of your will, if it's fired, the foundation of your thoughts,
Speaker 3: if it's sword, and so on and so forth. Then
Speaker 3: it also gets much easier to read it because it's
Speaker 3: like keywords, right, Okay, I get it. It's much faster
Speaker 3: than trying to remember all the like if I come here,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what is what sometimes is really here,
Speaker 3: like like salibate, okay, why I don't know. I cannot
Speaker 3: Like if someone said to me, oh, that that's how
Speaker 3: it should be, I'm like, okay, why And then if
Speaker 3: you say, oh, it's the foundation of your thoughts, maybe
Speaker 3: it can arrive there. They're like, okay, now I see it.
Speaker 1: Why is that.
Speaker 3: Or why someone someone could say it's that.
Speaker 2: It's not sound like a conspiracy podcast trying to cover
Speaker 2: occultism telling you things without any reason. Why man, oh
Speaker 2: this equal so and so and that equals so and so. Okay,
Speaker 2: would you like to tell me why that's bail? Why
Speaker 2: that's bolock? Oh no, that's what Jordan Maxwell said.
Speaker 3: Anyways, Sorry, but yeah, I think I saw another question.
Speaker 3: Where was it from DJ Black eleven?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh, my boy, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's too my boy asked about your apotheosis.
Speaker 1: How you used that?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that earlier, my boy.
Speaker 3: William, Yeah, it's it's below it. I'll answer it as well. Okay,
Speaker 3: but the so DJ blackcasts about the Gematria, so I
Speaker 3: actually have it on the website as well. So Gimatre
Speaker 3: is understanding that as we saw the tree, it helps
Speaker 3: you understand the numbers of things, how energy goes, how
Speaker 3: the letters. So just to be clear once again, sorry,
Speaker 3: So each of the paths is going to be related
Speaker 3: to one letter. So I think it's like this is better.
Speaker 3: So this is for example A. You can say it's A,
Speaker 3: you can say it's another. It doesn't matter. This is A.
Speaker 3: This is going to be B in the Latin alphabet
Speaker 3: at least, this is going to be D, and so
Speaker 3: on and so forth. So as you can see the letters,
Speaker 3: they are basically a glyph. They are a schedule. Even
Speaker 3: if you may say of the kind of energy that
Speaker 3: we want to work with, and you may have seen
Speaker 3: somewhere that you know the some of the constellations became
Speaker 3: the letters that we use and swan, so again we
Speaker 3: got it from the skies and whatever. So the idea
Speaker 3: is that each letter who have an energy in the
Speaker 3: same way, that energy can be understood as like a number.
Speaker 3: So the letters and numbers they are the same. Idea.
Speaker 3: You have a glyft to kind of compress to explain
Speaker 3: the kind of energy. So the matria would be the
Speaker 3: idea of getting a name. Let's say I'm going to
Speaker 3: use the name here Kamala, getting that name, and then
Speaker 3: understanding from the words which are the numerical values of this,
Speaker 3: and then from that you can start infairing things. Now,
Speaker 3: if you're on Twitter, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 3: people talking about Gimatra of like, oh, the word I'm
Speaker 3: without my pants is the same as Trump did that,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, see it, it's gimatra. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 2: You know, what's the funniest for you. You know what's
Speaker 2: the best too, is when you get these people and
Speaker 2: it's just like yo, it's like it's like you wish,
Speaker 2: It's like I wish the occultists were around for this.
Speaker 2: When you get these conspiracy people using like basically Pythagorean style,
Speaker 2: it's not even really jamatra anymore. You're doing that one
Speaker 2: through fucking nine, one through ten. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: you're not even using that style and you're counting days
Speaker 2: between fucking dates. Now, don't call this damatria. It's not Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not even using jamachi like you're using it all
Speaker 2: Like it's not.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, So again, I don't want to get and
Speaker 3: started into that. You know, I don't want to get
Speaker 3: into the things here, but the idea is that sure
Speaker 3: you can use like that as well. It's just question yourself, why,
Speaker 3: but how do it help you? How does that help?
Speaker 3: If it helps you, cool man, go for it. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily it doesn't necessarily help me, so I
Speaker 3: don't use it or even like you were saying, the
Speaker 3: Pictagorian kind of numerology stuff cool as well, like it's
Speaker 3: going to be different systems with different accuracies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'm not just disregarding that that shit works.
Speaker 2: It's just it's funny when you watch people use that
Speaker 2: and call it damatria and start like yeah, oh it's
Speaker 2: like out of all these twenty ciphers, I put the
Speaker 2: same word through, you know, I found three of them
Speaker 2: that fits my agenda. Now, like you're gonna find something
Speaker 2: when you run thirty fucking ciphers with it? What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Exactly? If I get some point, you'll find it.
Speaker 2: And again no, and I'm huge, I'm huge, just real quick,
Speaker 2: and I'll even say this just have to interrupt if
Speaker 2: you especially, this is my opinion. If you call yourself
Speaker 2: a tella might you better understand fucking Jamatria Crowley was
Speaker 2: huge about it. It's a whole fucking gigantic chapler in
Speaker 2: the beginning of seven seven seven. And if anybody ever,
Speaker 2: ever ever has the chance to go to Texas and
Speaker 2: to look at his handwritten notes or the vision and
Speaker 2: the voice, you will see that he spent plenty of
Speaker 2: time taking words and figuring out the numerical value to
Speaker 2: even put it in that fucking book. It's ciphered, it's coded.
Speaker 2: It meanshit get into fucking numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it goes both ways. Afterwards, if you'll
Speaker 3: understand the number, then you can see what letters would
Speaker 3: that be and so on. So kind of place, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give a very simple example of how you can
Speaker 3: use gamatra in a cool and like a beneficial way
Speaker 3: for you, something that will actually change your life and
Speaker 3: not just you know, be on Twitter, you know, talking
Speaker 3: about it as well. So there was a footballer, Brazilian
Speaker 3: footballer that he got his name. His name is Hicardo.
Speaker 3: But then because of his name is Ricardo, people started
Speaker 3: calling him like I think it was his broad or
Speaker 3: whatever started calling him like this with c from Ricardo.
Speaker 3: If we see this. Look, we have here the letters
Speaker 3: and what values they need. So in this case we
Speaker 3: can see here the letter analysis C is twenty, A
Speaker 3: is one, so we have twenty twenty one and one again. Okay,
Speaker 3: so in the end we have forty two. But the
Speaker 3: way that I'm using Gimatra here is not by coincidence.
Speaker 3: We have three columns. We have the vowels. How do
Speaker 3: you see yourself? Like how the value of the value
Speaker 3: of the vowels interact with yourself and make you see
Speaker 3: yourself like what the type of the energy that this
Speaker 3: is going to make you feel? In his case, if
Speaker 3: we sum up just evolves, we're going to get A
Speaker 3: which is one another way another a which is another one.
Speaker 3: So we have two. Okay, what is the second card
Speaker 3: of the tree? So if we get the second path,
Speaker 3: what's the card associated with that the system that I
Speaker 3: use that's going to be the high pricess high priesis
Speaker 3: is a passive card. Is a card that talks about
Speaker 3: constantly rewriting your story, like getting your book and then
Speaker 3: kind of like I didn't like that thing that I
Speaker 3: did in the past, let me let me think about
Speaker 3: it that I did it in another way in one
Speaker 3: so again it makes you passive, so okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Then when you see into the consonants, we have the forty,
Speaker 3: so the forty actually this is a bug here, should
Speaker 3: be just the emperor card, but we have the four.
Speaker 3: So the forty we reduce for LUs zero and then
Speaker 3: we have the Emperor, so he would be seen by
Speaker 3: others as someone which has a little bit of authority
Speaker 3: and so on. Okay, cool, But when that sums up
Speaker 3: and you have the synthesis, then you have the six,
Speaker 3: which is the lover, which is gonna put him into duality.
Speaker 3: As you can see in the card here, the guy
Speaker 3: has to choose between those gods goddesses which one is
Speaker 3: the like previous or whatever. That's the story. This guy
Speaker 3: is called Paris, and again that's the type of energy
Speaker 3: that he gets, like he's going to be always indecisive. Again,
Speaker 3: it's passive energy for himself, so he's not gonna be
Speaker 3: seen seeing himself as some kind of like big football
Speaker 3: or cool guy that does stuff. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 3: he went to a cobbaalist to name change, but for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, and you are not going to be able
Speaker 3: to find the in like the internet or whatever why
Speaker 3: they changed from the ACA to ka ka kaka. Now
Speaker 3: the thing is, this is going to be a completely
Speaker 3: different GMTRA because now we have the K which is
Speaker 3: another card for it. That's going to be the Sun card,
Speaker 3: which is one hundred. Then we have again the one
Speaker 3: and then again one hundred. So this is going to
Speaker 3: put him now at least in a let's say, kind
Speaker 3: of cube because now we have the two on one side,
Speaker 3: the two and another side that would come up to
Speaker 3: twenty two. So it's not the actual copulear. Here's not
Speaker 3: calculating the way that I would do it in the paper,
Speaker 3: but basically it changes up completely his energy and made
Speaker 3: him much better. Like literally, it made him think about
Speaker 3: himself better, made people see himself better. And if you
Speaker 3: think about it, all artists, musicians, politicians, even some business people,
Speaker 3: like big guys in business, you don't know them by
Speaker 3: their actual name. You know them by their fabricated name
Speaker 3: or whatever they're they're changed up name. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: all of them do this kind of stuff like thinking
Speaker 3: about it, but it's just funny how it goes. You know,
Speaker 3: you look at them and you're going to say, okay,
Speaker 3: his name and if if you start checking the energy
Speaker 3: behind their name is like, okay, change a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's very interesting how how it all goes. That's
Speaker 3: how I would use it, you know, personally, because that's
Speaker 3: something that then I can understand things better because again
Speaker 3: I can read them and see what what does it
Speaker 3: actually mean? And I can use it for myself, like
Speaker 3: maybe if I'm choosing my business name, maybe if I'm
Speaker 3: choosing a products name, it doesn't matter. I can see
Speaker 3: what's going on. The point is not to get too
Speaker 3: crazy about it, but just now you have more options,
Speaker 3: you have more tools to work with.
Speaker 2: You don't think some people change their names or even
Speaker 2: take magical names. This is all thrown in there too
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, definitely the magician.
Speaker 2: Yeah saying even if an occult was even to change
Speaker 2: their real legal name, I'm sure Jimachi was get involved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to say this, this is a
Speaker 4: very common Asian thing to change your your name based
Speaker 4: on astrology, very very very common, change your characters that
Speaker 4: you used to write your name, even in a legal context.
Speaker 1: It's very acceptable. So that.
Speaker 4: Is I'd never do that because and also so many
Speaker 4: Chinese words are homophones. Too, like they sound the same.
Speaker 4: So if you have a name, and like you have
Speaker 4: a parent that thinks, oh, that's a great sounding name.
Speaker 4: But then they didn't realize that, oh, actually it sounds
Speaker 4: like this other word or this other phrase that is
Speaker 4: like considered to be unlucky. That can be a problem.
Speaker 4: And also they do it for firstborn sons, not me.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I am a firstborn son, but they did I
Speaker 4: didn't do this. But they give them a girl's name
Speaker 4: for the first year and a day, so it keeps
Speaker 4: the evil spirits away, so they don't take away the
Speaker 4: first one.
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee did that.
Speaker 3: That's all around, it's all over, it's all over the place.
Speaker 3: And someone asked, like, how can it exist, demetria if
Speaker 3: numbers only appeared afterwards. Now, numbers as a glyph sure
Speaker 3: may have appeared afterwards, but number as a concept, like
Speaker 3: you have one thing, you have two things, three things
Speaker 3: that exists. That's geometry.
Speaker 2: Well, this person also said or not appears in the
Speaker 2: fifteenth century. I mean, I'm wondering if that was even
Speaker 2: trolling or I mean, we didn't have numbers until the
Speaker 2: fifteenth century.
Speaker 3: Really, it's it's nice to bring up the fact that
Speaker 3: again the power is not in the numbers itself or
Speaker 3: the letters. It's all about the thing behind them. We
Speaker 3: got to remember, if you go back to the tree
Speaker 3: that we have things. I'm sure I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one thing I do want to add
Speaker 2: that I would say probably most oh, I'd probably say
Speaker 2: close to ninety percent of all languages probably started off
Speaker 2: with through numbers matching the letters at inception. A lot
Speaker 2: of basically they all like it was it came together.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have an alpha numeric system.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Exactly because it kind of Also if you think about,
Speaker 3: like the first time we kind of needed numbers or
Speaker 3: counting was, let's say, to farm or to do stuff
Speaker 3: like that, Like I need to know how many cattles
Speaker 3: do I have? I need to count. Sometimes I cannot
Speaker 3: count more than turning easily, So I need some kind
Speaker 3: of lift somewhere like it, even if it's just a stroke,
Speaker 3: that's already something you know.
Speaker 2: And even for just real quick for people who are
Speaker 2: into Jamatria and we're talking about it now, you go
Speaker 2: back about two years ago, I did a three part
Speaker 2: series on that with somebody else and we even I
Speaker 2: even explained in there how believe it or not. Occultists
Speaker 2: or people in the past who wanted to decipher one
Speaker 2: language to the next. I don't know how the fuck
Speaker 2: they did it, but they used jamatria in numbers to
Speaker 2: actually translate one language the next with the cult you know,
Speaker 2: cultists were doing that with books, so it must work.
Speaker 2: And again that's because the number system is invented normally,
Speaker 2: going along with the letters exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like colors, for example, do they exist well, depends,
Speaker 3: Like you mean, the name of the colors, that's something
Speaker 3: we created, But the color itself, it kind of is,
Speaker 3: and and it doesn't necessarily it's the same for everyone.
Speaker 3: Like I may see red in one way, some other
Speaker 3: person maybe see what we call red in an other
Speaker 3: way as well. So again, the perception of things and
Speaker 3: so on. Now there's a there's two related questions here.
Speaker 2: So what have what have I?
Speaker 3: How has this things that I learned? How have a
Speaker 3: fucking up? How I applied this to my life? And
Speaker 3: the other one how do I apply it to self? Apotheosis?
Speaker 3: So in general, right, how how did I apply this
Speaker 3: stuff to my life and everything? Everything and anything?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Because at some point it becomes even unconscious, like I'm
Speaker 3: not necessarily thinking about the system itself, but I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: what's the color that I want to use to go
Speaker 3: to this place? What words do I want to use
Speaker 3: to speak to that person? Or if I'm going through
Speaker 3: a situation. It already happened a lot of times where
Speaker 3: I'm going through a situation and then I realize, man,
Speaker 3: that's exactly the same situation of that Tarot card, and
Speaker 3: now I know how to win the situation, how to
Speaker 3: like not be blown away by it. Let's say the
Speaker 3: the lover card, which puts you into indecisiveness. If I
Speaker 3: understand that I'm going through that, then I can I said, Okay,
Speaker 3: I just need to make a choice, doesn't matter which choice.
Speaker 3: I just make a choice and then I live with
Speaker 3: consequence and that's it. Otherwise I'm going to be stuck
Speaker 3: and what the card makes you do, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to show it because it's actually so cool. One second,
Speaker 3: So that's that's the lover card. In another deck, if
Speaker 3: you pay attention, you have one guy in the middle
Speaker 3: supposed to be Adam, and you have in his side
Speaker 3: and his right side you have Eve and in the
Speaker 3: left side. From our perception, we have Lilith. So he's like,
Speaker 3: should I go with the traditional check or should I
Speaker 3: go with the one that I'm going.
Speaker 2: To have fun?
Speaker 3: You know, this kind of story. And then he says
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what to do. You know, he's not
Speaker 3: choosing it, you see the cupid which is his mind.
Speaker 3: His brain's choosing the one which is, in theory in
Speaker 3: this case, in the story, the hardest one, the one
Speaker 3: that is not necessarily the better or whatever. So that's
Speaker 3: the point. If you get in decided that you don't
Speaker 3: choose stuff anyways, something is going to be chosen eventually.
Speaker 3: Even not choosing is a choice if you are between
Speaker 3: two choices. Another thing that this card talks about is
Speaker 3: by going to the middle path, like not trying to
Speaker 3: be the victim in a story, not trying to be
Speaker 3: the villain, Like just do what you need what you
Speaker 3: need to do, and that's it. You know, there's no
Speaker 3: if you try to understand someone else's story, maybe they
Speaker 3: put themselves as the victim all the time, and reality
Speaker 3: is there's no such thing.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: There is what you do and what happens after you
Speaker 3: do that thing, or what do you think about it?
Speaker 3: And it's one and a lot of times. What may
Speaker 3: seem bad now you know bad because again depends on
Speaker 3: the perception. Afterwards may be proven to be a good
Speaker 3: thing and then a bad thing again. It's like the farmer,
Speaker 3: the Chinese farmer Alan Watt's story. You know that idea.
Speaker 3: You never know where it's leading you, so just make
Speaker 3: choices and live with them. That's how. For example, this
Speaker 3: has changed my lafe a lot, because then I can
Speaker 3: just make better decisions. I can go to cooler places.
Speaker 3: For example, now I'm speaking from the US. I'm actually
Speaker 3: I don't live in US, but now I'm speaking in
Speaker 3: the US. I came here for some concerts, and I
Speaker 3: was at the end of the culture. Like I went
Speaker 3: three days at the same bands they were touring. I
Speaker 3: followed them through the cities, and in the last day
Speaker 3: I was there at their bus, like their tour bus.
Speaker 3: I was like buddies with the guys that maybe a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago I would be like, man, it's
Speaker 3: not like, oh, they're LEDs whatever. Like I was there
Speaker 3: in the bus with them. And I was only able
Speaker 3: to arrive to that point because Kabala helped me make
Speaker 3: better decisions, have better opportunities, speak better think better and
Speaker 3: swans so so songs like it. Just that's a mundane
Speaker 3: thing that I'm trying to explain to to get that asked.
Speaker 3: But the same can be thought to what the other
Speaker 3: guy asked about the self of potheosis, like that. The
Speaker 3: more I understand the system, the better I can understand reality.
Speaker 3: The better I can understand it, How should I use
Speaker 3: it to do things like that? Like, for example, how
Speaker 3: can I if I understand what death really means, what
Speaker 3: being alive really means, or how would I continue with
Speaker 3: myself or what God really is? And swans on, I
Speaker 3: can relate to that better, at least from my own terms. Again,
Speaker 3: from my own perception. I'm not saying everyone listening to
Speaker 3: this should go and be using the system again, do
Speaker 3: whatever you want the first three right. If you don't
Speaker 3: want it, don't do it. But that's how it has
Speaker 3: been helped me. It's like the tool. I can understand
Speaker 3: my body better. I can't understand my thoughts better, my
Speaker 3: my feelings, my everything, my connection to whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it, God universe again doesn't matter than the
Speaker 3: name you give it at it is from my perspective.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, it's just life changing really to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said this Jen, you got anything you want
Speaker 2: to want.
Speaker 4: I just think it just goes back to exactly what
Speaker 4: Matta and you said at the very beginning. It's it's
Speaker 4: just it's a system of correspondences that relates to the
Speaker 4: metaphysical reality and the material reality of this, of our
Speaker 4: perception of our consciousness and our interaction with the material world.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's really I love Matt because he uses.
Speaker 4: This flex He has a flexibility and he's able to
Speaker 4: look at things in a very pragmatic way. And I
Speaker 4: think this is really important. I'm not trying to bring
Speaker 4: up aonic things or any anything, but I do think
Speaker 4: this is an aonic theme. And I think that the
Speaker 4: kind of magic that goes forward, if you want to
Speaker 4: call magic or whatever it is, wisdom science, wisdom science,
Speaker 4: it needs to be something that is pragmatic that can
Speaker 4: help people not only grow materially but also sort of
Speaker 4: expand their consciousness spiritually, if you want to call that.
Speaker 4: So I just want to say I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that Matt wanted me on and that
Speaker 4: Nick invited me on. Thank you so much, appreciate it,
Speaker 4: and this is amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a sorry there was another question here, Sure,
Speaker 3: go forward, let me find it again. Someone said this
Speaker 3: is pointless. How will this information help me to become
Speaker 3: a great person in life? So I can answer you
Speaker 3: like this is to ignore this podcast, forget about it,
Speaker 3: forget that you even watched it. Just go to your
Speaker 3: life and try to be the best at whatever you
Speaker 3: want to be. You want to be the best cook,
Speaker 3: you want to be the best driver, you want to
Speaker 3: be the best whatever, be the best of that. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying to you. You're going to realize eventually, maybe
Speaker 3: that you're going to look at what you did and
Speaker 3: how you arrive there, and it's going to be by
Speaker 3: using the system. Well, so if you don't want to
Speaker 3: learn it and just kind of try to, you know,
Speaker 3: do it by yourself, cool, go for it as well.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really Again, the information itself doesn't change anything
Speaker 3: if you don't apply to it. Right as we were
Speaker 3: showing the other picture, this one, if you're just getting
Speaker 3: here to the study, it doesn't really matter if you
Speaker 3: don't practice it. So you need to practice. You need
Speaker 3: to go and how can I practice Cababa live life,
Speaker 3: Live life the best you can. Go, have relationships with people,
Speaker 3: Go try to make money, go to the gym, go,
Speaker 3: you know, do whatever, go eat, do the simplest thing,
Speaker 3: Go walk around barefoot, go do whatever want. Really, and
Speaker 3: the more you pay attention, I think that the keyword
Speaker 3: here is awareness, like being alert, being aware, more aware,
Speaker 3: the more present you are. People talk about this all
Speaker 3: the time, you know, be present, being the present moment.
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing. Like, if you're there paying attention,
Speaker 3: you're gonna start to realize the signs. You're gonna start
Speaker 3: to realize how things connect to each other and so on.
Speaker 3: And that's it. Like if you don't want to go
Speaker 3: into the tidbits and reading books and practicing and doing
Speaker 3: all the virtualistic or whatever, that's the coolest wellment, Just go.
Speaker 2: And do what you like. I like that. Uh was
Speaker 2: there any other questions in there or is? I think
Speaker 2: you pretty much got all of them, right, I.
Speaker 3: Think so, at least the ones that I saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great though, thank you for even offering
Speaker 2: to take questions. That was pretty cool. I definitely a.
Speaker 3: Way to make it more simple. Let's say to give
Speaker 3: some examples and one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was another reason I was just going
Speaker 2: to say, I do like how you touch on the kabala.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of times where I even try to
Speaker 2: try to dumb it down. I guess it's fab from
Speaker 2: my wave even understanding what I'm trying to think. But
Speaker 2: you really do make it I think a lot more
Speaker 2: easier to try to look at the kabbala. And I
Speaker 2: do appreciate that, and that's exactly why I wanted you on.
Speaker 2: So thank you, Matt.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Man, super cool.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Hellia yo Jan, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: coming on with us. Man, I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Matt is my technically my lodge brother
Speaker 4: as well as a co host on our show as
Speaker 4: well as just my friend.
Speaker 1: And of course I would want him on and be
Speaker 1: on with him if you wanted me.
Speaker 4: And you know I love kabala. I love this kind
Speaker 4: of kabala. Of course, I have a more medievalist perspective.
Speaker 4: I do like medieval Jewish kabala.
Speaker 1: And I initiated it.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not even forty. I had ton tric experiences
Speaker 4: and then I read Ramak. That's that I mean, Matt
Speaker 4: knows the story you've heard it ten million times better
Speaker 4: eleven million times.
Speaker 1: But that's my story.
Speaker 4: It's I understood Kabala through text, but I also understood experientially, So.
Speaker 1: You know, that's basically where that's what you know.
Speaker 4: Different people have different we would say, different martyrs that
Speaker 4: you take and different kind of roads that you walk,
Speaker 4: so you can study and learn different things. So you're
Speaker 4: not like you can stay sick with a hermoneutic, just
Speaker 4: like I stick with Vargriana.
Speaker 1: But I'm not.
Speaker 4: I don't limit myself to simply what is contained within
Speaker 4: the corpus of aargriana. As many other people who are
Speaker 4: maybe more intermediate, they know because they can see, they
Speaker 4: can recognize, and so if you look at it, there's
Speaker 4: most Vagiana scholarship is done by Jewish people, so they
Speaker 4: clearly recognize that there's a deep similarity even in the
Speaker 4: language they used to translate. So this has been the
Speaker 4: case for like probably one hundred and twenty years. So
Speaker 4: even though I didn't come about it that way, I
Speaker 4: recognize something that.
Speaker 1: Was long recognized. So it just it took me a lot.
Speaker 4: It just it took me thirty plus years to realize it. Oh,
Speaker 4: I agree, that's why that's why I like Matt. That's
Speaker 4: why I think cabal is like the new wave, because
Speaker 4: I think that that's this is the right way. So
Speaker 4: thank you guys both, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you a lot. And also, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't remember if I mentioned but I again, I
Speaker 3: didn't come up with that. I was initiated into it,
Speaker 3: and I have to deeply, deeply appreciate the master in
Speaker 3: this case, will initiated me into it, which it was.
Speaker 3: Just again, if you think, if you guys think I'm
Speaker 3: you know, doing a good job, experience one, that guy
Speaker 3: is crazy all over the top, like fucking It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky to have found someone that good at
Speaker 3: a edit to explain it. And I guess that's what
Speaker 3: made me get it faster. I guess just because yeah, no, no,
Speaker 3: it goes down right. It's like explanation explanential. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys a lot. I guess, so one
Speaker 3: one last thing, then the one least question.
Speaker 2: Then I guess we can Yeah, somebody was in simulation theory.
Speaker 3: Is that the one Yeah, exactly, simulation theory connected to Kabala.
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you go to my Twitter you're
Speaker 3: going to see. I talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3: I like, I like this idea, but the get it here.
Speaker 2: So very much experience and just I don't know how
Speaker 2: to explain it, but through my experience, Like all right,
Speaker 2: I claim some people may not know because they're newer
Speaker 2: listeners that I do think I have gross the abyss
Speaker 2: and my experience opening up my eyes and seeing how
Speaker 2: light changes has made me question simulation to an intent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And well I'm just going to leave out the kabala.
Speaker 2: The way I look at it kind of you know,
Speaker 2: adds to that theory.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to show you a very cool
Speaker 3: image as well. Nick, I think you're going to appreciate it.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if you can see the website
Speaker 3: I'm trying to share it, I don't know. Okay, that
Speaker 3: should be a brain so smolition theory. Think about it
Speaker 3: this way. We are supposed to be here, down here,
Speaker 3: in this last sphere. And what I mean by here
Speaker 3: is I mean earth, your body earth, like what you're
Speaker 3: experiencing theory, everything you can touch sentence one with your
Speaker 3: body should be here. But as you can see, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of other stuff going on. In your
Speaker 3: head that you cannot really touch. I cannot touch my thoughts,
Speaker 3: but they are there. I cannot touch my imagination. But
Speaker 3: if I'm imagining a tasty like meat right now, I can.
Speaker 3: I can eat it, you know. So it's again, if
Speaker 3: you want to call it simulation, like computer simulation, whatever, cool,
Speaker 3: that's how it should be understood. I guess there are
Speaker 3: other spheres of influence and they kind of make this
Speaker 3: world exist. So you give me just one minute, just
Speaker 3: have to answer the darwins.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's fine. I thought that was Jactually, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like yo Jin's getting a knockout his though.
Speaker 2: All right, well, yeah you're still there. Did you disappear too?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't disappear. Of course I didn't disappear.
Speaker 2: I can't tell.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: That's funny. Even at one point it was like it
Speaker 2: was like, was that was that for me? Because I'm
Speaker 2: actually waiting for like somebody who would expect my apartment.
Speaker 2: So I was like, at one point I was like that,
Speaker 2: I don't think that was me. It sounded like I
Speaker 2: heard it in my headphones. All right, man, I don't
Speaker 2: think it was me.
Speaker 1: I think I was.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that. I think it's the people are going
Speaker 3: to clean the room here.
Speaker 2: But housecaping everybody to get you out of the Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a hotel, too bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I just have a last image I want
Speaker 3: to show you, Nick. I think.
Speaker 1: This one.
Speaker 3: Christis can see.
Speaker 1: This one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, I know you were talking about
Speaker 3: the the eyes connection stuff and one, so like this
Speaker 3: is the tree. It's just apparently upside down, but it's
Speaker 3: not upside down. It's just because the eyes are up right.
Speaker 3: So that's the idea, Like we have the technology everything
Speaker 3: that we talked about, you know, the tree and so on,
Speaker 3: it's already here. So if we understand how our eyes work,
Speaker 3: how our brain, our hard our stomach, all our lands, everything,
Speaker 3: how it all works, you're understanding about That's what I say.
Speaker 3: If you understand how to be a good basketball player,
Speaker 3: if you understand how to be a good driver, if
Speaker 3: you understand how to be a good whatever it is here,
Speaker 3: you're gonna understand the system. That's just about it. So
Speaker 3: I think that's a cool image to kind of illustrate
Speaker 3: how it would be like connected you know in your heads.
Speaker 2: Very well. No, I'm all about that stuff right there,
Speaker 2: So so thank you. It's a great way to leave it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I think we're gonna we're good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people are even gonna go do laundry right now. They
Speaker 2: got to jump off the shows. It's been long enough
Speaker 2: for people. Matt again, thank you so much, dude. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know I'll have you on the show more often.
Speaker 2: I know you guys have stuff on Friday and night.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I asked you, but I was
Speaker 2: gonna I might have. But you guys are both welcome
Speaker 2: to come on Serpent in the Rainbow with us. But
Speaker 2: I know you guys have your own stick and who
Speaker 2: fuck wants to do four hours of podcasting back to back,
Speaker 2: so you know, but uh yeah, I was just plugging
Speaker 2: that as well. This Friday, we will be covering, uh,
Speaker 2: Serpent in the Rainbow, So come check it out again
Speaker 2: Matt and Jin. I know you guys do your own thing.
Speaker 4: But no, but that is a great film. That is
Speaker 4: a great film, and if we weren't friends, Nick, I
Speaker 4: would steal it from you, even though Matt knows that
Speaker 4: I have actually have a very strong role about like
Speaker 4: never derivative, and I would stick to that.
Speaker 1: That is a great you know, you know.
Speaker 2: What sucks too, is that I'm not expecting because again,
Speaker 2: I know you guys do your own shadow Friday Night said,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you guys would be done
Speaker 2: before it starts. But like, the thing is is that people,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, unless they listen to you cover it
Speaker 2: on this show, I don't think people know how much
Speaker 2: you actually know about that stuff. So it would have
Speaker 2: been like a nice flex weeks. I think you might
Speaker 2: have surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tradition is way more than people I think even Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Even talked about.
Speaker 4: So everybody had their thing that was, like the thing
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine was
Speaker 4: to get your head washed in voodoo, and so.
Speaker 1: I was like, why why not? So yeah, young magi what.
Speaker 2: I wanted to play with herbs more. I started looking
Speaker 2: at voodoo. I get it. We all have our reasons.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, so people, that's uh, letting people know
Speaker 2: on the live. If you guys happen to check this,
Speaker 2: check it out. I think the next show going live
Speaker 2: besides the Mailbag this week will be Serpent in the
Speaker 2: Rainbow of Friday Night. We got a bunch of the
Speaker 2: cult rejects, basically just the occult rejects. Uh, coming on
Speaker 2: and talking about it should be pretty interesting. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 2: and thank you Matt for coming on. I really do
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And again you're always welcome on the show. Dude,
Speaker 2: like to suck anyone more and hopefully and Gin again,
Speaker 2: thank you for always going on.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: I very much appreciate your angle and things I did see.
Speaker 2: I think a comment in there about the clip off.
Speaker 2: I think I remember somebody's supposed to be doing that
Speaker 2: on the show like a year or two ago. Maybe
Speaker 2: we can see where that person's at in the future,
Speaker 2: maybe get them on the show. To Goude Gin.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, I love you know, thes are really
Speaker 4: interesting because I don't have like a Norse perspective on
Speaker 4: the tree.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's wrong. I don't think I really
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: So you know, everyone who's really tackled to klipers, they
Speaker 4: either take it love crafting or mars And because I
Speaker 4: was Matt and I was like, and as you know,
Speaker 4: Nick like, I take it in a totally different way.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, it'll be really fun you know where
Speaker 1: that goes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, but definitely that something in the future, maybe
Speaker 2: we could all of us and maybe some other people could.
Speaker 2: I was branch into that stuff too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Josh, he would. Yeah, that would totally be
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So maybe there's a teaser for the future. Maybe one
Speaker 2: day we'll can go come on and talk about the
Speaker 2: couple of keep keep it going with Kabala, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But yeah, I love talking to who.
Speaker 2: I love talking Kabala, especially with you guys. And I
Speaker 2: really thoroughly enjoyed the series and enjoyed you coming on
Speaker 2: and talking about Kabala again today man, and thank you all.
Speaker 2: In the chat too, I had there was a lot
Speaker 2: of good comments in there. I have been picking up
Speaker 2: more people into the Occult, which thank god, thank you
Speaker 2: very much. And I'm getting more comments in the chat
Speaker 2: that are about the occult or their experience with it
Speaker 2: or the way they're looking at it. So check out
Speaker 2: the comments. You know, they're getting more I guess in
Speaker 2: depth or from personal experience when it comes to the Occult.
Speaker 2: So I thank you all for commenting. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That's why I go live, is because I do hope
Speaker 2: to see good stuff added in the chat that wasn't
Speaker 2: mentioned in the show. She again, we don't all have
Speaker 2: the answers. That's why we have tons of people on
Speaker 2: the show trying to make it a polymath, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So thank you all, and that is
Speaker 2: the end of another Recult Rejects and until the next one,
Speaker 2: everybody be well later