WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:16.839 Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, and that 2 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.800 means it's pop culture and Bravo pop and Bravo as 3 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:22.760 we call it. And I have a very special guest here. 4 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.280 I'd say it's a pop culture maybe expert, a Bravo expert. 5 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:27.199 It's Megan Weaver. 6 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:28.239 Hi. 7 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.719 Hey, Okay, Megan. First of all, you gotta say Mary Payne, 8 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:38.960 not Mary, because you know it's goes together, it's double. 9 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:40.600 It's a Southern thing. 10 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:43.000 Well, hello, Mary Pain, how are you? 11 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.880 It's hard. I know you're a California girl. How are y'all? There? 12 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:48.200 You go? 13 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:52.920 I know it's hard for non Southern nurse to get it, 14 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.359 but sometimes I just let people call me Mary the 15 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:59.119 entire podcast, and then I have listeners right in and go, 16 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.200 why didn't you ever correct them? 17 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:04.359 I'm like, I stand corrected. 18 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.319 I saw that in your email and it confused me 19 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:07.799 a little bit, but then I was like, okay, I 20 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.200 guess that's how she, you know, wants to be addressed, 21 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.040 So I didn't remember. 22 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:14.319 So Mary Paine. 23 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.040 In the South, everybody, most people have two names, and 24 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.200 you go by your first and your middle name, and 25 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.640 your middle name is usually somewhere along the line like 26 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:23.879 a mother's maiden name. 27 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:25.920 Situation, got it? 28 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.159 Ok me Megan Catalina? 29 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:32.879 Okay, Megan Catalina, Yeah, rolls off the tongue. 30 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:34.079 It really doesn't. 31 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:36.439 Okay, you guys. 32 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.560 Megan has a new podcast, and I'm specifically interested in 33 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.079 it because the name of the podcast is My Addiction 34 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.359 and it's Megan and her sister, who's like a super talented, 35 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.439 well known screenwriter. 36 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:52.799 Right absolutely television film big producer. I mean she she's 37 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:53.599 the real deal. 38 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:54.359 She's a big. 39 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:58.239 Wig, yeah, Marty. And so it's great because the two 40 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.120 of you are sisters. You explain at the beginning, like 41 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.519 your stepsisters, which you've been sisters since you were like seven, 42 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.599 so it's not like you need to say explain. 43 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.439 We've spent our whole lives together, so and raised in 44 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.319 the same family with the you know, with the same parents. 45 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.199 I mean I have had my dad, she had her 46 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.159 mom separately, but you know, in the same household. So 47 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.400 that's you know, that constituted sisterhood her sister. 48 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:26.560 Yeah, and both of you have struggled through addiction, and 49 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.560 you talk about the addiction in both your families on 50 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:33.879 both sides, your blended family and it's fascinating. Now I've 51 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.639 listened to two episodes. Have you had our three out yet? 52 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.199 By third the third one? 53 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.639 Yeah, the third one drops Thursday today, and we have 54 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.039 Carl Radkeith from Summerhouse. 55 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.639 On Oh Megan. That's great. 56 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.680 Yeah, it's fascinating and talking to him was super enlightening 57 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.240 and he was very honest and vulnerable and it was 58 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.280 a great conversation and I hope that everybody tunes in. 59 00:02:57.879 --> 00:02:59.960 Yeah, so on your second so your first episode is 60 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:03.960 you and your sister Tat going through your story. The 61 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.479 second one was Amber Childers. Now my question about that is, 62 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.120 so she's your neighbor and we know her. She was 63 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.280 an actress that was on the show you. I think 64 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:13.800 she's been on other things. That's just what I know 65 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.840 her from, right, But she was married to Randall Emmett, 66 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.439 who was then not married but engaged to La La. 67 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.800 And I know that from following your career. You did 68 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.800 interior design work for La La when she was with Randall. 69 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:27.879 Please explain. 70 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.560 Yeah, so I did Randall's house. 71 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.319 Gosh, I don't even know how many years ago it was. 72 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.080 I mean it was when Randall and Laala were together, 73 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:43.120 and I remodeled and redesigned their master bedroom, bathroom, and 74 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:50.199 their little girl's playroom, Randall's and Amber's little girl's playroom. 75 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:54.479 And it turned out beautiful. And I love Laala. 76 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:56.039 She was awesome. 77 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.360 But yeah, so that's the history there, and it's just 78 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.199 a coincident that now she lives on my street and 79 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.039 that the Lala connection. 80 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.120 Small world. 81 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.400 But Abra and Laala, it seems to me from what 82 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.479 you see that they're fine now because they have a 83 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.039 shared shared enemy. 84 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.319 Oh yeah, they're very good friends. 85 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.600 Yeah, and they look alike. They look alike, don't you. 86 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:17.920 Yeah. 87 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.639 Amber's a redhead now, so they look a little different. 88 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.399 But yeah, they have similar aesthetic qualities. You know, they're beautiful, 89 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.720 and more importantly, they're both very kind and they have 90 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:32.439 huge hearts and they're lovely people. 91 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:34.680 Did Randall ever pay you? 92 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:36.040 He did? 93 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.839 Okay, he seems to be broke. 94 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.720 We came up with a settlement, so okay, I guess 95 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:44.560 you would call it. 96 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.439 But yeah, that's water under the. 97 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:50.480 Bridge, Okay, good, Okay, Well I remember that. Yeah, oh yeah, 98 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.720 in my mind the things that I remember and then 99 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:54.120 the things that I don't remember. 100 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:57.800 It's not great. It's not great. 101 00:04:58.199 --> 00:04:58.920 Same girl. 102 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.519 Yeah, Now, okay, I just I'm going to encourage everybody 103 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.240 to listen to your podcast and you don't have to 104 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.759 be so interested in the thoughts behind addiction. I think 105 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.279 it's just so interesting. You and your sister. The conversation 106 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.079 that you have is so natural, and then you have 107 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.639 Amber on. You explain like she's my neighbor and she 108 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.639 also is going through her sober journey as well, and 109 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.160 you sort of talk about which is something I've touched 110 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.360 on this podcast before. Some people had this whole theory 111 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:31.199 of sober or California sober or whatever works for you. 112 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.959 And I've talked to Randy So. Randy is a good 113 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.560 friend of John Hill, and she just randomly was on 114 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.120 ninety Day Fiance as like a friend of somebody that 115 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.759 was on ninety Day Fiance and John Hill's like, my 116 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:45.000 friend is on that. 117 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.959 Show you cover. I was like, wait, what, So. 118 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.680 I had her on because she is a like an 119 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:55.600 interventionist specialist, and she was saying kind of what you 120 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.079 guys were saying, which is, however, you're sober, to you 121 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.879 what's important and you can't judge if somebody is like, well, 122 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.480 you know, a couple of times a month I might 123 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:09.040 do mushrooms, and that's certain in me or California sobers, 124 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.240 I can still smoke weed that didn't turn out so 125 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.480 well for like James Kennedy, you know. 126 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.240 No, no, so yeah, recovery. Listen, we are not experts. 127 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:18.879 I'm not. 128 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.199 I'm only eighteen months sober. My sister has a lot 129 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.720 more time than me, and but we are not experts. 130 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.839 We only can share our experience and how we you know, 131 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.759 our walk through sobriety. I think that you know, recovery 132 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:37.959 is not a one size fits all. I think that 133 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.000 everybody has their own approach. And however you cannot pick 134 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.279 up that drink or do that drug or whatever it 135 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.439 is is up to you, and the best way for 136 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:52.639 you to, you know, keep maintaining that sobriety is your 137 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.959 that's your path, your decision, whether you're microdosing, whether you're 138 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.560 California sober, whether you know whatever it is that you 139 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.879 are abstaining from because it will kill you or ruin 140 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:05.639 your life, do it however however it you know, however 141 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:06.920 you can get that done. 142 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:07.480 Yeah. 143 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.759 I think it was just a really really, really great conversation, 144 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:13.800 and so I would agree. I want everybody, I want 145 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.839 everybody to listen to it because it's really good. It's 146 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.240 really well done, and I just like to promote podcasts 147 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.600 with you like super great. 148 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.120 We have a lot of fun, you know. The fact 149 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:24.480 of the matter is that we do. 150 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:29.800 You know, my sister is hilarious and we come from 151 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.439 a very funny family and so that that chemistry is there, 152 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.639 and it's it's not all about recovery and sobriety the podcast. 153 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.160 You know, we talk about. 154 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:43.759 Our you know, growing up and some fun stories about 155 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.360 our youth, and we also talk to other people about 156 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.959 their you know, stories that don't have anything to do 157 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.399 with this this sort of you know, sobriety topic. You know, 158 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.519 we do touch on it a lot because that's what 159 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.279 we're you know, that's what we want to you know, 160 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.079 get the message out. But we do have a lot 161 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:00.560 of fun and there are you know, a lot of 162 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:01.680 laughs along the way. 163 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.560 I like the sister dynamic. I have sisters and I 164 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.240 always let this sister dynamic. Now this is going to 165 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.279 be weird, but I'm about to change the background because 166 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:11.759 I realized to have all the background up. 167 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.680 So here we go. Now it's better. That's so cute. 168 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.399 Like the pink I had to put it because it's 169 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:19.560 the pop and Bravo logo and I had the wrong 170 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.279 logo up from earlier when I did a recap of 171 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.040 the Valley. Okay, so anyway, now it's that was fun. 172 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:27.480 That was really bothering me. 173 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.159 It was distracting you. I was distracting me, and now 174 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:33.240 I'm kicking the tables. 175 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.960 Okay, so let's talk about you know, speaking of your 176 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:42.360 podcast and Bravo, which we love to talk about. Like, Okay, 177 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:44.879 addiction on Bravo. 178 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:45.240 Is such a thing. 179 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.399 There was somebody, DJ James Kennedy that is not even 180 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.399 on my list because I forgot there's I tried to 181 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.200 just kind of make like a list of all the 182 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.440 addiction stories we've seen on Bravo, and I forgot about 183 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.240 DJ James Kennedy. That was kind of a big one. 184 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:02.120 So I've got Mary's son Robert Jr. On Salt Lake City. 185 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.639 We have Liam McSweeney who's in and out of sobriety 186 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:11.519 and suing Bravo over it. Currently, we have Margaret Josephs 187 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.600 who's not an addict but has clearly stated always I 188 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.120 don't drink. I don't drink at all, and she never 189 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.679 does anything she's been very you know, I have a 190 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:22.679 couple of friends like that, Like I've never tried it. 191 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.360 I have so much addiction in my family. I have 192 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.200 never wanted to have a drink because I've seen what's 193 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:30.399 gone on with the adults in my life. I think 194 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.720 Margaret maybe has a similar situation because of her mom. 195 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.360 Maybe. I mean, I think, you know, I've come into 196 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.200 a lot of I guess they call them teetotalers term 197 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.519 for people who just don't drink. 198 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.120 Some people just don't drink, you know. 199 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.159 I mean it's a totally foreign concept to me saying, 200 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.639 you know, there are people out there who just don't 201 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:53.440 like it and just don't touch the stuff, which you know, Wow, 202 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:54.559 I'm envious. 203 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.399 And just like I've never wanted to try it. You know, 204 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.320 I have kind of interior designer. My interiors is signer 205 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.840 for my house. Comes from a long line of you know, 206 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:08.000 Irish Catholic drunks. And she's just like, I saw, you know, my. 207 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:08.759 Uncle do this. 208 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:14.240 I saw these things as a child that I thought never, 209 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.840 never will I do that Now. A lot of kids 210 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.440 think that, yeah, and then they go to college and 211 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.399 they drink or whatever. But she's just like, no, I 212 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.320 don't care, like I don't miss it because I don't know. 213 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.240 And it's foreign to me as well, because I come 214 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.039 from a you know, big family people. 215 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:28.919 Drinking nice concept. 216 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.440 It's a nice concept to just be like, I'm just 217 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.399 going to leave it right now. We have lou Anne, 218 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.840 who's a kind of a case study because she had 219 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.240 a kind of a spectacular downfall. You know, she punched 220 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.039 a cop, went to jail, all the things, was court 221 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.200 ordered sober for a year, didn't make it that year, 222 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:55.879 had champagne darling at a cabaret. Then she declared that 223 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:00.039 she knows that she shouldn't drink anymore on camera, and 224 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:04.200 then was sober for a couple of seasons. Now she's 225 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.080 back on Love Hotel and just drinking like it's no problem. 226 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.480 Yeah, I noticed that on Love Hotel. 227 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.519 You know, when when you are an alcoholic, you are 228 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.960 acutely aware of, you know, other people's drinking habits. Yes, 229 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:22.440 people you see on television. I mean, it's just natural, 230 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.879 it's just sort of what happens. And I did notice 231 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:27.000 watching Love Hotel. I was like, huh, I wonder if 232 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.639 Shannon and Luanne are going to be drinking you know, alcohol, 233 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.240 and sure, enough they are you know, A yeah, that's 234 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.440 it's up to them. You know, that is their choice, 235 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:40.039 your choice. I have no judgment around it. If they 236 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.919 can control their drinking, my hat's off to them, you know. 237 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.799 It's it really is an individual zone, yea to manage it. 238 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:51.080 And if they have and if they think they have 239 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:52.919 a problem or not, they you know very well just 240 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.799 may have gotten out of control a couple of times 241 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.080 and they had to face some consequences and and they're good, 242 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.480 you know, to each their own. But yeah, I didn't 243 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.720 notice the cocktails flowing on Love Hotel. 244 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:04.960 Well it's like. 245 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.639 My thing on that is, Yes, it's their individual thing. 246 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:10.600 And if they had a problem for a while, now 247 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:12.519 they fail, they have it under control, I think in 248 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:17.360 my in my personal experience, that's you're always And they 249 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.799 talked about this on Southern Term last not this current season, 250 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.679 that season before was shep They were like, you're always 251 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.480 bargaining with yourself, like, well, I'm just gonna drink beer 252 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.279 or I'm just gonna And I just know from my 253 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.639 own experience with my husband, like I told you, was 254 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.200 this coming up this year eleven years sober, it was 255 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.559 a lot of bargaining it was like, Okay, well, then 256 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.480 I'm just not gonna have Martiniz anymore because that's the problem. 257 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.080 Or I'm not gonna, okay, no more Scotch for me 258 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.200 because when I drink Scotch on me, so I'm not gonna, 259 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:45.399 you know. 260 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.399 And it's a lot of bargaining and only. 261 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:51.039 On the weekends never, you know, it's it's that's just 262 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:52.879 that's the nature of the beast. 263 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.399 Right, Yeah, And the bargaining Louis and we saw created 264 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:00.320 a fose because she didn't drink anymore. I think if 265 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.039 she wouldn't have just been so out and about with 266 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.679 it on television. I don't drink anymore. I've realized I 267 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:06.679 can't have one drink Da. 268 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.279 Da dah, and then walked it back. 269 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.399 And then she hasn't ever walked it back. 270 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:12.919 She just all of a sudden was drinking again like 271 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.000 we would like us Bravo, people aren't gonna. So that's 272 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.720 one thing that's a case study. And then we have Shannon, 273 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:23.320 who at the last reunion, when they showed clip after 274 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.000 clip after clip of her clip of the last ten 275 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.080 seasons reunions, of every single reunion, them talking about her drinking. 276 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:32.559 Which sort of like we're like Goldfish Bowl, we. 277 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.080 Kind of forget and then you go, oh yeah, they 278 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:41.279 have mentioned it every single reunion. Say they mentioned that 279 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.080 every single reunion Caring gets drunk and calls us and 280 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.360 doesn't remember what she says. 281 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:47.799 Oh god, that's you know, I got to just say 282 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.279 it just to interrupt you for a second. 283 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:51.279 That breaks my heart. 284 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.679 Yeah, you know, it just it just it's it's the 285 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.759 struggle is real, and you know it when. 286 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.440 I watched those things and they keep talking about the drinking. 287 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:07.120 And it just it really breaks my heart for those people. 288 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.799 And I know Shannon and I adore her, you know, yeah, 289 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.840 it's just it's really difficult. And I'm not here to 290 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.759 say she has a problem or doesn't have a problem, 291 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.200 but watching those things and watching all that happen on 292 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:24.360 television truly just ooh, it really gets to me more emotional. 293 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.840 I mean, well, you've been on television, so you know, 294 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.320 you were on many seasons of Flipping Out, Jeff Lewis's 295 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:36.120 show and his other show that he had, and I 296 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.559 you've been on television, so you've got to be in 297 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.159 my mind. And maybe if you've been on so long, 298 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.919 you sort of lose that like they're recording what I'm saying. 299 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.080 Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, you forget that the cameras 300 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.360 are there. You know, on the shows that I did 301 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.919 on Bravo with Jeff and then you were talking about 302 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:57.759 Hollywood Houselift was on Amazon free v. There we weren't 303 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.840 There wasn't a lot of like drinking or parties or trips. 304 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:02.480 It was all just you know, home run. 305 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.080 No, but there were a couple of nights we went 306 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.360 out and had like team meetings and things like that. 307 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:07.120 But I would. 308 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:13.399 Imagine that when you add alcohol to those situations, you forget, 309 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.679 you forget even further, even more that there's a camera 310 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:17.279 in your face. 311 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.759 And yeah, I mean I know, I would. 312 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.840 You know, if we were drinking on those shows and 313 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:25.960 you know the cameras that you already forget that they're there, 314 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.879 being you know, totally sober, But yeah, I would think 315 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.080 that alcohol would even blind you and leave even even 316 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.519 more that that's happening. 317 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.279 So mistakes are made. 318 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.720 And the Karen Hugre is rough because a lot a 319 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.639 lot was on the various podcasts and people chatty was 320 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.600 made about kind of the difference of like Shannon just 321 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:45.919 flat up I was wrong. 322 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.399 I made a terrible mistake. I could have hurt somebody. 323 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.919 I'm upset about how my children view me, like all, 324 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.879 you know, just saying all the right things and you 325 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.080 know and really and meeting it and meaning it and 326 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.960 trying to the court told me to do this. I'm 327 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.080 gonna do that. I have no questions. I obviously made 328 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.279 this mistake. And then the opposite was Karen Yuger just 329 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:09.759 just double tripling down. 330 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:11.679 Yeah that was nuts, man. 331 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.360 With just well, everyone will see that I did nothing wrong. 332 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.240 I mean, yeah, I'm not guilty. 333 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.480 Like that blew my mind that she was, you know, 334 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.600 dying on that hill of you know, it wasn't me 335 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.039 and I it didn't happen, and I was I'm not guilty, 336 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:29.879 and you'll find out. 337 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:31.600 I was just like, this is nuts. 338 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.279 And they would say to her like, okay, so we're 339 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.039 you know, having drinks, and they would kind of make 340 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:37.799 a big deal to poke at her to like we've 341 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.399 got a non alcohol drink for Karen over here, and yeah, 342 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.600 everybody's just being shady and I'll be back drinking with you, lady, Sue. 343 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.480 Don't you worry. It's like, don't say that, You're got 344 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.120 to have a trial don't. 345 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.399 Say that not a good look. Not a good look. 346 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.639 And then they go and they get they go to 347 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:58.039 the first trial and they have it pushed. Now I 348 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:02.679 have to think at that point they anybody knows, like 349 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.680 I obviously am not a lawyer, and I know there's 350 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:07.359 going to be bodycam. You can get a four year 351 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.599 request to get that information and to know that it's 352 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.880 out there, and still say, I'm not going to plead 353 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.200 guilty beforehand, you know, to get a lesser sentence. And 354 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.119 it was her third fourth, I think fourth, do you 355 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.519 I They said. 356 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.240 Yeah, I knew that they were multiple, but yeah, that 357 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.079 body cam footage, that was nuts. 358 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.519 And you know you have to think, really, there, before 359 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:31.200 the grace of God, go on, how many times have 360 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:35.759 I been drunk and said the stupidest shit and then 361 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.599 to have it recorded and just have so much of it, 362 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.480 not just like one thing, but just like over and over. 363 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.240 And humiliating, humiliating. 364 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.799 So you think all that that then she's going to 365 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.759 be like, Okay, look I was in denial. Obviously there 366 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.240 was a big problem that night. I guilty, I am sorry. 367 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:58.799 I'm going to serve my time kind of like Shannon did. 368 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:00.920 I'm going to do whatever the court asks me. I'm 369 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.160 going to try to make amends. 370 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:02.720 But no. 371 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.720 At the reunion, they put out this completely fake, look 372 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:11.279 like lifetime movie scripted scene of Rag walking into the 373 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.200 room with her lounging on her bed and like all beige. 374 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.279 That was amazing, Thank. 375 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.599 You, rag full makeup, the wig, the all the things, 376 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:24.119 you know, like a boudoir pic. 377 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:25.880 Yes, yeah, and you. 378 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.559 Know the back and forth and yeah, that was That 379 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:30.799 was something else. 380 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.599 That was so funny because je Giselle and Ashley and 381 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.000 then were like, you could turn that off, like we 382 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:41.559 got it. Yeah, Like this is so stupid because he's like, hello, Karen, 383 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:42.559 how are you feeling? 384 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:43.240 Wow? 385 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:45.880 That is surprising you were going to model? 386 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.359 That was so awful. 387 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.200 It was it was It was so cringe to watch, right, 388 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.759 You're just like shriveling up inside, going I can't believe 389 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:55.400 they're doing this. 390 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.519 And I love how they're like, please turn that off. 391 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.720 We yeah, this is this is love. 392 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.200 This is out of our misery. 393 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:04.720 Now. 394 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.480 I feel like and so like with jen Shaw being 395 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:12.160 in jail, I sort of feel like she won't come 396 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.920 back to Salt Lake City. Andy has said in things 397 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.240 I've heard on the radio, has said enough negative about her, 398 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.079 Like what she did was to take money from the elderly, 399 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:24.319 isn't I that. 400 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.519 Wasn't I mean, listen, a dui is no small you know, 401 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.400